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"Bowling for Columbine" tried to make a point like that, but is it valid?

I'm not convined that there are "more guns than people in Canada." The population of Canada is 32 million. The number of guns is difficult to determine, but is in the range of 7 to 11 million (corroborated here, and numbers of 7-16 million are used in some official canadian government rhetoric). That's alot of guns... but not more guns that people. It's 0.28 guns per person, on average.

The population of the US is about 295 million. The number of guns in the US (also hard to estimate) is, according to one estimatem, around 200 million (corroborated here, although that includes estimates of undeclared guns; a different site indicates at least 60 million declared guns). That's 0.68 guns per person, on average.

Those stats are debatable, of course. Estimating such things is hard. I also fully acknowledge that the websites I pointed to are not especially trustworthy sources (some are about gun-control, hence they will typically use the biggest stat for number of guns to make their point). However, the take-home message is that, indeed, there are lots of guns both in Canada and in the United States, yet the number of gun-related deaths (per person) in the US seems worse than in Canada. This is the point that "Bowling for Columbine" was trying to make... however it is a great exagerration to say that there are "more guns than people" in Canada.

If they say it will cost hundreds of millions of dollars, it will cost billions. Even in Canadian currency, that's a fair sum.

You mean like our 2 billion dollar gun registry?

Advertised cost 2 million. Actual cost? who knows, we're still counting...

Elsewhere someone posted that the figure was 7 million guns for 10 million households in Canada. According to this, there are as many guns in the US as *adults* (presumably there is more than one adult in most households). Even if the Canadian number should be 14 million guns (as suggested here), this is still less than the number of adults (22 million according to this).

I saw a recent UN small arms study, the US has over 250 million firearms, roughly 84 per 100 people. Canada has nowhere close to that rate.

Canada had roughly 532 murders in 2001, and 528 in 2000. Only 132 murders were committed by firearms, the rest were with other means.

The anti-gunners since 1989 (marc lepine) had made it extremetly diffence to own firearms in Canada now, its very sad the Liberals social engeering project doesnt include anybody but the Military and police owning guns in Canada.

Now all Canadians need to have a firearms license.

Shotguns & most bolt action rifles are considered non-restricted

AR-15's, handsguns etc are considered restricted

Steyr Aug, AK-47 etc are considered to be prohibited with grandfathering

You don't need premission to move/transport non-restricted firearms.

You need premission to transport restricted and probihited firearms, you can only use a handgun, AR-15 for target shooting THATS IT. You have to get a ATT (autohoriztion to transport) to take restricted guns to the range, gunsmith etc.

All firearms must be stored, and transported in according to safe storage laws set out in the law. Locked and unloaded at all times and out of sight

Most semi-auto rifles are RESTRICTED. There is only roughly 4 non-restricted semi-auto rifles left, Sig Black special, Ruger Mini-14, SKS and the AR-180B. Thats it, all the other semi-auto's like the AR-15 are restricted.

The AK-47 is prohibted, when the owner dies it has to be turned over to the police to be destoryed, nobody else will ever be allowed to only AK-47 ever again in Canada, there is many guns prohbited. Benelli shotguns, SPAS-12, SPAS-15, the "combat shotguns" were all non-restricted, then the gov't changed them to restricted, which meant they all had to be registered (all handsguns have been registered in Canada since 1934) so once the government got the list of all the combat shotgun owners, it changed the status again to Prohbited without grandfathering, which meant they all had to be turned in to be destoryed.

Compensation is not paid, because no due process for compensation of confiscated property exists in Canada. The existance of private property is not recognized by the federal govt.

Now on to the current registry to hear about in the news, all restricted guns and probhited are registered. What the govt wanted to do was in 1995 was make all non-restricted guns restricted. Basiclly your hunting bolt action rifles and shotguns. So far they have put $1billon down the drain to find out who owns what .22 or 12 gauge duck gun.

Most murders in Canada are committed by handgun, which have all been registered since 1934. So how the hell would a non-restricted firearm registery be useful ?

According to the Canadian Alliance firearms critic for firearm policy. 74% of all handguns found at murder scene have been unregistered. Owning a unregistered restricted firearm even with a firearms license has been a crime since 1934.

Since 1944 in Canada you needed a premit to even carry a registered pistol on your person.

Then in 1977, the government made it illegal to use firearms for any kind of self defence.

You aren't allowed to use lethal force to protect your property, or against robbers, muggers etc. Even if you fear for your life and kill somebody in your house you will still be carried with manslaughter and firearm offences and you have to pray the prosecutor decides to not goto court or the jury lets you off. If you use a legal firearm for defence you will be going to jail along with the criminal

Its one of the many reasons we have such a high rate of property crimes, the prison system is just a just and release system, they go in and they never get any serious jail time for theft, robbery, car theft etc.

Center firearm semi auto rifles ae only allowed to have 5 rounds magazines. The pre-ban magazines dont exist here they all have to be modified to accept only 5 rounds. There is no limit on bolt action center fire rifles. For semi-auto pistols the limit is 10 rounds. For rimfire there is no magazine limit. (unlike the US, there is a limit of 10 rounds in rimfire magazines in the USA, useless it was a pre-ban magazine)

Allan Rock the justice minister to started the C-68 (canadian firearms law that start all this and the registry) Said he only wanted to the military and police to have firearms. He also said if they registry cost more then $150 million he would scrap it (its way ovr $1billion dollars now). The only reason now to register hunting rifles is so one day you have a list of all them and who where you can seize them from.

Oh also all handguns must have a barrel length longer then 105mm.

So after all my blattering whats the point ? Criminals will always get there guns, and they wont register them.

Already handgun 74% found at crime scenes are unregistered, I doubt the owner had a firearms license to even own them. I doubt they follow safe storage laws, carry on there person and ignore the magazine limit capacity.

For more information on how defenceless Canadians are check out
http://www.vaxxine.com/scon/disarmed.htm

http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com

http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/articlesofinterest. htm

http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publications.htm

http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/gbpress2002.htm

and my favorite place.

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com

I saw a recent UN small arms study, the US has over 250 million firearms, roughly 84 per 100 people. Canada has nowhere close to that rate.

Canada had roughly 532 murders in 2001, and 528 in 2000. Only 132 murders were committed by firearms, the rest were with other means.

The anti-gunners since 1989 (marc lepine) had made it extremetly diffence to own firearms in Canada now, its very sad the Liberals social engeering project doesnt include anybody but the Military and police owning guns in Canada.

Now all Canadians need to have a firearms license.

Shotguns & most bolt action rifles are considered non-restricted

AR-15's, handsguns etc are considered restricted

Steyr Aug, AK-47 etc are considered to be prohibited with grandfathering

You don't need premission to move/transport non-restricted firearms.

You need premission to transport restricted and probihited firearms, you can only use a handgun, AR-15 for target shooting THATS IT. You have to get a ATT (autohoriztion to transport) to take restricted guns to the range, gunsmith etc.

All firearms must be stored, and transported in according to safe storage laws set out in the law. Locked and unloaded at all times and out of sight

Most semi-auto rifles are RESTRICTED. There is only roughly 4 non-restricted semi-auto rifles left, Sig Black special, Ruger Mini-14, SKS and the AR-180B. Thats it, all the other semi-auto's like the AR-15 are restricted.

The AK-47 is prohibted, when the owner dies it has to be turned over to the police to be destoryed, nobody else will ever be allowed to only AK-47 ever again in Canada, there is many guns prohbited. Benelli shotguns, SPAS-12, SPAS-15, the "combat shotguns" were all non-restricted, then the gov't changed them to restricted, which meant they all had to be registered (all handsguns have been registered in Canada since 1934) so once the government got the list of all the combat shotgun owners, it changed the status again to Prohbited without grandfathering, which meant they all had to be turned in to be destoryed.

Compensation is not paid, because no due process for compensation of confiscated property exists in Canada. The existance of private property is not recognized by the federal govt.

Now on to the current registry to hear about in the news, all restricted guns and probhited are registered. What the govt wanted to do was in 1995 was make all non-restricted guns restricted. Basiclly your hunting bolt action rifles and shotguns. So far they have put $1billon down the drain to find out who owns what .22 or 12 gauge duck gun.

Most murders in Canada are committed by handgun, which have all been registered since 1934. So how the hell would a non-restricted firearm registery be useful ?

According to the Canadian Alliance firearms critic for firearm policy. 74% of all handguns found at murder scene have been unregistered. Owning a unregistered restricted firearm even with a firearms license has been a crime since 1934.

Since 1944 in Canada you needed a premit to even carry a registered pistol on your person.

Then in 1977, the government made it illegal to use firearms for any kind of self defence.

You aren't allowed to use lethal force to protect your property, or against robbers, muggers etc. Even if you fear for your life and kill somebody in your house you will still be carried with manslaughter and firearm offences and you have to pray the prosecutor decides to not goto court or the jury lets you off. If you use a legal firearm for defence you will be going to jail along with the criminal

Its one of the many reasons we have such a high rate of property crimes, the prison system is just a just and release system, they go in and they never get any serious jail time for theft, robbery, car theft etc.

Center firearm semi auto rifles ae only allowed to have 5 rounds magazines. The pre-ban magazines dont exist here they all have to be modified to accept only 5 rounds. There is no limit on bolt action center fire rifles. For semi-auto pistols the limit is 10 rounds. For rimfire there is no magazine limit. (unlike the US, there is a limit of 10 rounds in rimfire magazines in the USA, useless it was a pre-ban magazine)

Allan Rock the justice minister to started the C-68 (canadian firearms law that start all this and the registry) Said he only wanted to the military and police to have firearms. He also said if they registry cost more then $150 million he would scrap it (its way ovr $1billion dollars now). The only reason now to register hunting rifles is so one day you have a list of all them and who where you can seize them from.

Oh also all handguns must have a barrel length longer then 105mm.

So after all my blattering whats the point ? Criminals will always get there guns, and they wont register them.

Already handgun 74% found at crime scenes are unregistered, I doubt the owner had a firearms license to even own them. I doubt they follow safe storage laws, carry on there person and ignore the magazine limit capacity.

For more information on how defenceless Canadians are check out
http://www.vaxxine.com/scon/disarmed.htm

http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com

http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/articlesofinterest. htm

http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publications.htm

http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/gbpress2002.htm

and my favorite place.

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com

I saw a recent UN small arms study, the US has over 250 million firearms, roughly 84 per 100 people. Canada has nowhere close to that rate.

Canada had roughly 532 murders in 2001, and 528 in 2000. Only 132 murders were committed by firearms, the rest were with other means.

The anti-gunners since 1989 (marc lepine) had made it extremetly diffence to own firearms in Canada now, its very sad the Liberals social engeering project doesnt include anybody but the Military and police owning guns in Canada.

Now all Canadians need to have a firearms license.

Shotguns & most bolt action rifles are considered non-restricted

AR-15's, handsguns etc are considered restricted

Steyr Aug, AK-47 etc are considered to be prohibited with grandfathering

You don't need premission to move/transport non-restricted firearms.

You need premission to transport restricted and probihited firearms, you can only use a handgun, AR-15 for target shooting THATS IT. You have to get a ATT (autohoriztion to transport) to take restricted guns to the range, gunsmith etc.

All firearms must be stored, and transported in according to safe storage laws set out in the law. Locked and unloaded at all times and out of sight

Most semi-auto rifles are RESTRICTED. There is only roughly 4 non-restricted semi-auto rifles left, Sig Black special, Ruger Mini-14, SKS and the AR-180B. Thats it, all the other semi-auto's like the AR-15 are restricted.

The AK-47 is prohibted, when the owner dies it has to be turned over to the police to be destoryed, nobody else will ever be allowed to only AK-47 ever again in Canada, there is many guns prohbited. Benelli shotguns, SPAS-12, SPAS-15, the "combat shotguns" were all non-restricted, then the gov't changed them to restricted, which meant they all had to be registered (all handsguns have been registered in Canada since 1934) so once the government got the list of all the combat shotgun owners, it changed the status again to Prohbited without grandfathering, which meant they all had to be turned in to be destoryed.

Compensation is not paid, because no due process for compensation of confiscated property exists in Canada. The existance of private property is not recognized by the federal govt.

Now on to the current registry to hear about in the news, all restricted guns and probhited are registered. What the govt wanted to do was in 1995 was make all non-restricted guns restricted. Basiclly your hunting bolt action rifles and shotguns. So far they have put $1billon down the drain to find out who owns what .22 or 12 gauge duck gun.

Most murders in Canada are committed by handgun, which have all been registered since 1934. So how the hell would a non-restricted firearm registery be useful ?

According to the Canadian Alliance firearms critic for firearm policy. 74% of all handguns found at murder scene have been unregistered. Owning a unregistered restricted firearm even with a firearms license has been a crime since 1934.

Since 1944 in Canada you needed a premit to even carry a registered pistol on your person.

Then in 1977, the government made it illegal to use firearms for any kind of self defence.

You aren't allowed to use lethal force to protect your property, or against robbers, muggers etc. Even if you fear for your life and kill somebody in your house you will still be carried with manslaughter and firearm offences and you have to pray the prosecutor decides to not goto court or the jury lets you off. If you use a legal firearm for defence you will be going to jail along with the criminal

Its one of the many reasons we have such a high rate of property crimes, the prison system is just a just and release system, they go in and they never get any serious jail time for theft, robbery, car theft etc.

Center firearm semi auto rifles ae only allowed to have 5 rounds magazines. The pre-ban magazines dont exist here they all have to be modified to accept only 5 rounds. There is no limit on bolt action center fire rifles. For semi-auto pistols the limit is 10 rounds. For rimfire there is no magazine limit. (unlike the US, there is a limit of 10 rounds in rimfire magazines in the USA, useless it was a pre-ban magazine)

Allan Rock the justice minister to started the C-68 (canadian firearms law that start all this and the registry) Said he only wanted to the military and police to have firearms. He also said if they registry cost more then $150 million he would scrap it (its way ovr $1billion dollars now). The only reason now to register hunting rifles is so one day you have a list of all them and who where you can seize them from.

Oh also all handguns must have a barrel length longer then 105mm.

So after all my blattering whats the point ? Criminals will always get there guns, and they wont register them.

Already handgun 74% found at crime scenes are unregistered, I doubt the owner had a firearms license to even own them. I doubt they follow safe storage laws, carry on there person and ignore the magazine limit capacity.

For more information on how defenceless Canadians are check out
http://www.vaxxine.com/scon/disarmed.htm

http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com

http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/articlesofinterest. htm

http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publications.htm

http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/gbpress2002.htm

and my favorite place.

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com

I saw a recent UN small arms study, the US has over 250 million firearms, roughly 84 per 100 people. Canada has nowhere close to that rate.

Canada had roughly 532 murders in 2001, and 528 in 2000. Only 132 murders were committed by firearms, the rest were with other means.

The anti-gunners since 1989 (marc lepine) had made it extremetly diffence to own firearms in Canada now, its very sad the Liberals social engeering project doesnt include anybody but the Military and police owning guns in Canada.

Now all Canadians need to have a firearms license.

Shotguns & most bolt action rifles are considered non-restricted

AR-15's, handsguns etc are considered restricted

Steyr Aug, AK-47 etc are considered to be prohibited with grandfathering

You don't need premission to move/transport non-restricted firearms.

You need premission to transport restricted and probihited firearms, you can only use a handgun, AR-15 for target shooting THATS IT. You have to get a ATT (autohoriztion to transport) to take restricted guns to the range, gunsmith etc.

All firearms must be stored, and transported in according to safe storage laws set out in the law. Locked and unloaded at all times and out of sight

Most semi-auto rifles are RESTRICTED. There is only roughly 4 non-restricted semi-auto rifles left, Sig Black special, Ruger Mini-14, SKS and the AR-180B. Thats it, all the other semi-auto's like the AR-15 are restricted.

The AK-47 is prohibted, when the owner dies it has to be turned over to the police to be destoryed, nobody else will ever be allowed to only AK-47 ever again in Canada, there is many guns prohbited. Benelli shotguns, SPAS-12, SPAS-15, the "combat shotguns" were all non-restricted, then the gov't changed them to restricted, which meant they all had to be registered (all handsguns have been registered in Canada since 1934) so once the government got the list of all the combat shotgun owners, it changed the status again to Prohbited without grandfathering, which meant they all had to be turned in to be destoryed.

Compensation is not paid, because no due process for compensation of confiscated property exists in Canada. The existance of private property is not recognized by the federal govt.

Now on to the current registry to hear about in the news, all restricted guns and probhited are registered. What the govt wanted to do was in 1995 was make all non-restricted guns restricted. Basiclly your hunting bolt action rifles and shotguns. So far they have put $1billon down the drain to find out who owns what .22 or 12 gauge duck gun.

Most murders in Canada are committed by handgun, which have all been registered since 1934. So how the hell would a non-restricted firearm registery be useful ?

According to the Canadian Alliance firearms critic for firearm policy. 74% of all handguns found at murder scene have been unregistered. Owning a unregistered restricted firearm even with a firearms license has been a crime since 1934.

Since 1944 in Canada you needed a premit to even carry a registered pistol on your person.

Then in 1977, the government made it illegal to use firearms for any kind of self defence.

You aren't allowed to use lethal force to protect your property, or against robbers, muggers etc. Even if you fear for your life and kill somebody in your house you will still be carried with manslaughter and firearm offences and you have to pray the prosecutor decides to not goto court or the jury lets you off. If you use a legal firearm for defence you will be going to jail along with the criminal

Its one of the many reasons we have such a high rate of property crimes, the prison system is just a just and release system, they go in and they never get any serious jail time for theft, robbery, car theft etc.

Center firearm semi auto rifles ae only allowed to have 5 rounds magazines. The pre-ban magazines dont exist here they all have to be modified to accept only 5 rounds. There is no limit on bolt action center fire rifles. For semi-auto pistols the limit is 10 rounds. For rimfire there is no magazine limit. (unlike the US, there is a limit of 10 rounds in rimfire magazines in the USA, useless it was a pre-ban magazine)

Allan Rock the justice minister to started the C-68 (canadian firearms law that start all this and the registry) Said he only wanted to the military and police to have firearms. He also said if they registry cost more then $150 million he would scrap it (its way ovr $1billion dollars now). The only reason now to register hunting rifles is so one day you have a list of all them and who where you can seize them from.

Oh also all handguns must have a barrel length longer then 105mm.

So after all my blattering whats the point ? Criminals will always get there guns, and they wont register them.

Already handgun 74% found at crime scenes are unregistered, I doubt the owner had a firearms license to even own them. I doubt they follow safe storage laws, carry on there person and ignore the magazine limit capacity.

For more information on how defenceless Canadians are check out
http://www.vaxxine.com/scon/disarmed.htm

http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com

http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/articlesofinterest. htm

http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publications.htm

http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/gbpress2002.htm

and my favorite place.

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com