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Release the information needed to write MWave sound/modem drivers for Linux/*BSD. I have a Thinkpad 760ED, and I'm having to use a dos/windows hack with loadlin to get 8bit sound. There is no reason for this IBM. Here is an interest page if you think there isn't enough demand. http://www.flexion.org/mwave Please do something about this soon. Oh, and thanks for Jikes! Now just be cool in this area too. Joseph

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Blackdown has the only 1.2 JRE available today as far as I know. It's in the pre release 2 stage currently. http://www.blackdown.org is the site of course. AnyJ is a Free IDE for commercial or non-commercial use on Linux. I found vim to be more friendly personally. :) For a graphical debugger, go to freshmeat and search for jdbtool. It's a perlTk front end for jdb. Now go, and write much java.
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CVS Mozilla does this. It was added shortly after the M9 release. So maybe Netscape 4.7 will have it too.
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Yup.

Romans 3:10-26 (bold by me) :

• 10As it is written: "There is no one righteous, not even one;11there is no one who understands, no one who seeks God. 12All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one." 13"Their throats are open graves; their tongues practice deceit." "The poison of vipers is on their lips." 14"Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness." 15"Their feet are swift to shed blood; 16ruin and misery mark their ways, 17and the way of peace they do not know." 18"There is no fear of God before their eyes." 19Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. 20Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin. 21But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference,
• 23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. 25God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished-- 26he did it to demonstrate his justice at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.

That, in a nutshell, is Christianity. Nobody is perfect, and God requires Perfection for someone to earn their way into Heaven. It is only by God's grace that those who have faith in Christ will be saved.

The good thing about Linux is that there is interest in the Christian community in using and evangelizing it to their followers. Here's an article in Christian Computing magazine. I suppose they may even discuss this Jesux issue at some future time. And, may be we'll get their take on this matter--is it hoax or is it fact?

I personally don't see the need for a Christian Linux distribution. I have always felt uneasy about that daemon looking BSD mascot. So, the sooner that's replaced with something else, the better!

Jikes 1.1.8 just relesed. It's supposed to rock; although, I've yet to try it myself. Maybe 1.2 will be out soon.
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I hate to do this, but I figured "why not get these smart guys' input on the subject?", so here we go:
The previous poster was kind enough to list 0-9 and their respective binary equivalent. Take notice of the code for the number 6: "01-100", which appears as two thin lines separated by a thin space.
Now grab your nearest recent grocery store purchase (or follow this link if you're lazy) and take a gander at the calibration marks: the identical markings at the beginning, middle, and end.
Yep, you guessed it! 6's, each 'n every one of them! So now you have 666 in every UPC code.
And the relivant scripture: Revelations 13:16-18 says
"16. He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead,
17. so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.
18. This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666."
Spooky! To me, anyway. All we need is UPC codes on our hands/foreheads for a prophesy from 1000's of years ago to come true!
You guys think this is a weird coincidence, or maybe the guys that came up with the UPC code decided to make an inside joke or something?
My uncle showed me this like 10 years ago, I'd be curious to hear what you guys think about it...

My Swing apps inproved double fold from 1.2.1 to 1.3beta.

There are two changes that lead to this. First, and most obviously, Hotspot is now the default compiler. Secondly, the changelog mentioned that they reimplemented swing. The first design was really bad so they are doing a rewrite of how it works.

I'm not sure on all these details, but I do know that my apps are much nicer with 1.3... I can't wait for a 1.3 final to come out for Linux. That will indeed be a good day.

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GNUStep has been out for a long time. It doesn't get the hype that KDE & GNOME do but it's the core that WindowMaker prefers to run on.
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GNUstep is an enviroment like KDE & GNOME.

Window Maker, it's official window manager, would be to GNUstep like kwm is to KDE.....

Now, what I want to know is... since WindowMaker installs part of GNUstep by default... does Windowmaker run on top of GNUstep which runs on top of KDE when you run WindowMaker as KDE's window manager?

Please correct me if this is all wrong.. I"m only guessing
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Is that a GTK+ thing? I've heard that it has some issues like that. For instance, no horizontal scrollbars...

It could be FUD; I don't know.


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I really like kfm. If Konquer(it's KDE 2.0 replacement) is anything half as good as it's supposed to be, I'll have all I need right there.


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This page has a post up where some guy started hacking at the MWave. In the first night, he has source that will reconize the address & interrupt.
It also lets you change it. Perhaps he'll have something going soon.

The older news of this page tells of an IBM employee that is secretly working on a driver.

And for a quick fix, this page tells how to use a small DOS partition, DOS drivers, and loadlin to get your sound working 8bit in linux right now.


Hey, it's better than nothing!

Last but not least, this guy wrote the CEO of IBM a letter asking him to release the specs. There is no mention of a reply from this letter.

The letter is on the page though. Go check it out.

I signed your petition. Good luck.

http://www.flexion.org/mwave/hack.shtml

Joseph -- user of Thinkpad 760ED
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If anyone from IBM is reading, tell your superiors to release the specs for the MWave Sound_Card/Modem.

If IBM doesn't want to write the drivers, fine.

But please don't keep us from writting them! We are willing and able...


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Ok, Windowmaker is the official window manager of the GNUstep project. Does it just use the obj-C libs by default or is GNUstep(the enviroment) running underneth it? Is GNUstep an enviroment like KDE and GNOME? If so Do you run Windowmaker on top of GNUstep on top of KDE/GNOME when you use it with them?


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If you were following standard practice, you should have used worksFor

but it's your program. :)
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I just know it was a 32bit version on NT on a 64bit architexture. How lame....


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Get the info for reading/writing MS formats, throw it into Koffice, AbiWord, ect.....

And we have GPLed universal office suites. yay!


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If nothing else, this will let all the other suites add the read/write ability of office97 formats to their packages. That would really be the best thing that could come from all of this.


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With an average of 4 hours sleep, a wedding in 3 days, driving over 300 miles each day, I was lead to have very little time to get this together to demo to someone I don't see very often.

Notice that I am not whining about being busy either. I am, however, giving you background information as to why I didn't have the free time since telling you "I didn't have the spare time" didn't get the point across in the orginal post above.

I love "doing it myself". I grabbed the redhat CD that day so I could just download an rpm and get things together quickly.


Why do people assume that anytime someone doesn't do something that it is because they are evil in some way. Look at the post above. The guy remarks with "LIES!".

Perhaps it's time to bump the threshold up a notch.

In short, I think we should try giving someone the benifit of the doubt occasionally.

I'll do the same for you now and dismiss this all as "you were just joking" but this thread is still good for slashdot posters in general. The signal/noise ratio had started to get a lot better after the moderation came in.

Take care,

Joseph
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I just looked for confirm and I cannot find it on LinuxBerg. I did read it somewhere though.
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Ok, it may not require glibc. I thought it did. glibc was listed as a requirement on the specs at Linuxberg.

If I was wrong, I'm glad you corrected me. But saying that someone is lying just because their info wasn't correct... hrm.

I'll let you think about it

Have a good one


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I just don't run it currently because of the pain in changing the libs. I don't have the spare time. Unfortunately XMMS needs glibc so I decided to wait. This is great news!


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"I still believe that people go to sites like Wired News and PC Week because they have this curiosity for the truth and this underlying belief that services [like Slashdot] don't always get it right, and they need an independent verification," said Berinato.

See, they now better. It's Star Trek Generations!
:-)

With that said, let me ask you this.

1. Who knows more about the reliablility of MS code?
A. Someone who as read up on the subject
through a technical book. (MCSE)
B. A Journalist who hears something from the company who made the software.
C. People who have thousands of hours of
experience in dealing with it.
D. Bill Gates
E. Al Gore

On the other hand, he noted that Slashdot
thrives in an environment where people
seek more and more fragmentation in their
lives. "Instead of knowing something
about a lot of things, we know a lot about
a little."

"News for Nerds" is a title. I'd say most people here (At least all of my Comp Sci friends and I) know more than just computer stuff. Granted, we talk about computer stuff on here. Why? Please don't make me fill out another multiple choice question. But anyway, I play most sports decently, read science fiction, play piano, run 2 miles a day, fix cars, listen to all kinds of music, date my wife, talk about the stock market, play pool, and drink mountain dew.

However, I can't spell very well. You'll probably see a few errors in here if your not careful.

Please don't assume something so silly as "They read about computers; therefore, that is all they know about"

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They say they found that their ideal design for swing wasn't so ideal and have done a complete rewrite. I just hope that maybe we can get Linux versions soon. Granted, we don't have a 1.2 release yet; however, if 1.3 has lots of rewrites of 1.2 stuff maybe we can just skip over implementing it that redone part of 1.2 and get a 1.3 somewhat soon.

The article, change log, and some good comments are here.

http://www.javalobby.com/servlet/News?action=dis playStories&xsl=comment.xsl&format=full&id =500300000000563

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I had more fun playing 4 to 8 person doom2 in 94 in the computer labs on my university than any other game in my life. Why?

Multiplayer was unheard of then. Granted, iceclimber, the orginal mario bros, etc let two people play at once but that is not the kind of multiplayer interface I'm talking about. The whole idea that each person had his own screen was great. The other thing was that 3d-shooter games were new. You put those 2 really big concepts in one game and wow!

I also had more fun playing C&C than starcraft. Why? Because it was one of the first stragity games of that type to allow people to play over the internet. So again, there are 2 news things. One, I didn't have to go to the lab anymore to have the 4 people playing at once since I could use ppp from home. Second, it was a new type of game with a great soundtrack that didn't hurt it any.

Now, everthing gives me the "Been there; done that" feeling that leaves me wishing that subspace would be ported to Linux. Xpilot just doesn't have the graphics and sound. Maybe I should shut up and join that project :)

Good day,

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I have a P133 with 32meg notebook. Windowmaker fits in as the perfect balance in speed/functionality. I've not tried blackbox or icewm. I've heard good things about them too. Windowmaker is just really easy to setup/configure (even if you've never used it before). It looks nice and is very good for just getting work done.

KDE and GNOME are nice but unless you have a lot of RAM to throw around, I would avoid them like the plague.

This is not bad design, this is just the way it is. I really wish I could get mozilla to compile so I could avoid the memory bloat of netscape. M7 did fine but M8 just wouldn't make.... oh well..


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Well, just to put my two cents in, I am an avid Linux user (Debian, thank you very much), was a science geek in high school, and, last but farthest from the least, am a born again believer in Jesus Christ and the Bible. As a disclaimer, I don't have a Southern drawl, I don't own any shotguns, and I'm half way through a college education in a respected college in Boston.

I want to set straight my own personal opinion on the evolution-creation debate, an opinion which I share with many educated and theologically experienced Christians. I should note however that there are different opinions within the Church regarding the creation of the universe.

I believe that God created the Earth as well as the entire Universe. That much is without question. I would however take with a grain of salt the supposition that the entire creation of the Universe, the Earth on which we live and every living thing on it was completed within six days. I believe that the language used in the book of Genesis chapter 1 is often times figurative, especially in referring to time.

"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." Genesis 1:1.

I believe that this simple phrase encompasses the entire series of events theorized by astronomers, physicists and such. Seriously, who better to produce a "big boom" than the Almighty Sovreign God? Over the next six days of time listed in this passage, Moses, the actual author of the book of Genesis (BTW, I believe that all scripture, in its original language, is the inerrent, inspired word of God given through the mouths and hands of mortal men.) describes the creation of 1. Day and Night, 2. the sky, 3. land, seas, and vegetation, 4. the Sun, Moon, and stars, 5. animals of the sea and air, and 6. animals of the land and Man. By now, 9 out of 10 of you are thinking "this sounds like any other ancient tale of the beginning of the world," and indeed it does. I believe though that this explanation of the beginning of the world is a figurative one, with figurative times as well. I DO believe that if God had wanted to make the entire universe and the modern world appear over the course of one Earth week, He could have easily done so, just as He could have also done it in one billionth of a nanosecond (or even less : ). The fact of the matter is that if God is all powerful, He can make things happen in any way that fits his will. I believe that He did not create the Earth in one week, for a good reason. Physicists are amazed at the way in which our entire world and universe fits together. Scientists have realized that if the position between the Earth and Sun were not precisely the way it is, if the composition of the atmosphere was even slightly altered, if any one of billions of variables were not as they are, life would not exist on this planet. We recognize this, but we just as quickly then chalk it up to a freak occurance of "nature," the infinitely small chance that one special chemical reaction in a puddle of ooze would produce all living creatures on the earth. In my opinion that's a very shaky assumption on which to base a theory of the creation of the world. From another perspective, however, if God designed this perfect set of enviromental variables and set up the physics just right so that the natural world would work as smoothly as it does, would He not want to follow His own perfect rules to create the world? I believe that He would.

As far as the theory of our alleged primate ancestors are concerned I am without opinion. I don't know whether we were created as a seperate species or are direct ancestors of monkeys through some yet to be discovered missing link. What I do know is that, either way, anything that we have become in terms of our status above the animals and our dominance above all other creatures on Earth has been through the power and grace of God and not through any ambition, talent, or ability of our own.

"He [Jesus Christ] is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by Him all things were created; things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by Him and for Him. He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together." Collosians 1:15-17.

In short, as well as I understand the theory of evolution to date, I believe that all discoveries and theories used to explain the evolutionary process can be much better used as signs of the awesome sovereign power of God.

Hmm. This is flamebait if I've ever seen it. Please keep your replies on an intelligent level and feel free to question my theories or my beliefs. I would be happy to take a crack at any question as best my knowledge allows. God Bless.

Will Meyer

If you really want to know the answer to your question, start reading the book of Acts. It reads like a story, and isn't dry or boring at all. Here's a link to an online version.

TedC

PS. I'm not sure why the closing anchor tag on my url isn't being parsed correctly; it must be a bug. Anyway, it makes it easier to hit the link. :-)

I hated that too, but I think I have found a solution. If you open some vertical bar on the left, it has an icon list. I don't remember how I did it and I don't have a copy with me now to see. Anyway, if you open that, you can drag the icons out to the desktop and then launch each app individually as it should be.

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Think they'll keep it free for non-commercial use?


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I saw the opening demo. If I remember correctly, they motherboard is SGI with their own memory and bus but using intel CPUs.

The bus is the key. It could move data many many times faster than your typical board. I wish I could remember the specs. I know it was in the Gigabits.


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Although these links will soon point to something different, I urge /. readers to listen to R.C. Sproul's excellent dicussion of this yesterday and today. I think even the most agnostic and atheistic among you will realize that Sproul has taken your position into account - he expresses very clearly why Chrisitanity is true - and why it must be true.

You claim to be open-minded: have you really tried to understand Christianity?

"The evidence for Christian truth is not exhaustive, but it is sufficient. Too often, Christianity has not been tried and found wanting -- it has been found demanding, and not tried."
- John Baillie

Suppose Christianity is not a religion but a way of life, a falling in love with God, and, through Him, a falling in love with our fellows. Of course, such a way is hard and costly, but it is also joyous and rewarding even in the here-and-now. People who follow that Way know beyond all possible argument that they are in harmony with the purpose of God, that Christ is with them and in them as they set about His work in our disordered world. If anyone thinks this is perilous and revolutionary teaching, so much the better. That is exactly what they thought of the teaching of Jesus Christ. The light He brought to bear upon human affairs is almost unbearably brilliant: but it is the light of Truth, and in that light human problems can be solved.
- J. B. Phillips, When God Was Man

Although these links will soon point to something different, I urge /. readers to listen to R.C. Sproul's excellent dicussion of this yesterday and today. I think even the most agnostic and atheistic among you will realize that Sproul has taken your position into account - he expresses very clearly why Chrisitanity is true - and why it must be true.

You claim to be open-minded: have you really tried to understand Christianity?

"The evidence for Christian truth is not exhaustive, but it is sufficient. Too often, Christianity has not been tried and found wanting -- it has been found demanding, and not tried."
- John Baillie

Suppose Christianity is not a religion but a way of life, a falling in love with God, and, through Him, a falling in love with our fellows. Of course, such a way is hard and costly, but it is also joyous and rewarding even in the here-and-now. People who follow that Way know beyond all possible argument that they are in harmony with the purpose of God, that Christ is with them and in them as they set about His work in our disordered world. If anyone thinks this is perilous and revolutionary teaching, so much the better. That is exactly what they thought of the teaching of Jesus Christ. The light He brought to bear upon human affairs is almost unbearably brilliant: but it is the light of Truth, and in that light human problems can be solved.
- J. B. Phillips, When God Was Man

Well, the guy that was showing it to me didn't mention that they symlinked it.

As far as the managers go, you'd be surprised how many managers get torn up about their init.d being symlinked these days.


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I saw SuSE for the first time this weekend. The first thing that stood out to me is that it is an HPsUX clone. init.d is in /sbin and YaST looks exactly like SAM.

I hate HP-UX for that. Why can't they leave things like init.d in /etc where it belongs.... Sure, we have BSD and System V.... But why make each system V different? Shesh....

Other than that tid bit, I've heard great things about SuSE.... More power to em, I just wanted to complain about something.


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i do not believe [ pro-wrestling's role in the boy's death] is evidence that south park is something that should not exist or should not be seen by anyone under 17.

"Should not exist" is bait for censorship. The debate needs to stick with the issue of what the quality of the movie is. As for children seeing the movie, well, I'll do my part to see that mine won't.

[prose about the link between words/images and actions snipped]

hearing a curse word is not the same as saying a curse word...

What I was trying to say was that reading CAP's review was enough to tell me the film is unworthy of my attention. I can't defend CAP's assertion that it is "dangerous;" however, it's clear to me from CAP's review that the film contains no quality as an object of art that is true, noble, right, pure, lovely, admirable, excellent or praiseworthy.

... parents should concentrate on shaping their children's thinking ability instead worrying about what their eyes might see. it is really much more effective.

How utterly naive. Parents should of course do both. My oldest son accidentally caught a glimpse -- only a few seconds -- of "The Exorcist" when he was 5 or 6. It happened be a scene portraying demonic possession. That brief image continues to haunt him years later. As a child and teen, I myself was polluted with an unrealistic expectation of women and a twisted sense of sex that masked its deeper, true delights because I had access to pornography growing up. I'm sure I'm in the minority of Slashdotters who believes there's something inherently wrong with pornography. I therefore have nothing to do with pornography -- by choice.

I thank God for the innocence that my kids (6 and 8) still possess. In our house, we don't draw the line at obscenities. We draw the line at calling someone stupid, or saying, "That sucks." Why do I draw the line so far back? To compensate for society's pressure to erase the line completely. When my kids do begin exercising their "free speech" in more vulgar ways, they'll have been taught the example of just how far over the line they're going. By the time they make their own choice whether to see "South Park," I hope they will appreciate how far over the line that movie is.

This brings up an interesting point. I don't know when I'll begin permitting my kids to read Slashdot, but I do think thal and I would agree that it's the same time when it's "safe" to let them watch South Park. I mean that with all sincerity. It's just that thal and I might disagree about the age when that might be. Just how old are you, thal? Have kids of your own, yet?

south park is a world without fences, yes. if we keep the fences up all of the time, we will forget what is hiding behind them. and that it is when it will come to haunt us. south park is a hilarious reminder why we try to be civilized.

I like to be reminded of why I try to be civilized by seeing examples of the triumph of civilization. Or maybe there are those who want to compare the R-rated content of "South Park" to the R-rated content of "Saving Private Ryan"? Now that would be a good debate, too. I saw SPR twice. And I want my kids to see that movie. Not yet, but before they start reading Slashdot.

There's a worldview that believes depravity is inevitable -- that we need to poke around in the feces until our noses have grown accustomed to the smell and it's as if there's no smell at all. Then there's a worldview that expresses the conviction that the depravity of the world has been overcome and we've merely been living through a "cleanup operation" for the past 2,000 years. I subscribe to the latter worldview. "South Park" appears to subscribe to the former.

His attitude is a typical media-elite mocking dismissal of the numbing-down of what's socially acceptable. GnrcMan's comments about the Childhood Action Project's review also smack of politically correct "what's the big deal?" posturing. And replies to GnrcMan's comments reinforce the "what a funny, harmless movie" lock-step opinion. But words and images have consequences. A tragic example of that is the story on the Reuters wire yesterday about a 7-year-old boy killing his 3-year-old brother by copying a move he saw in televised pro wrestling.

I have no desire to see the movie. I can't even sit through the TV show. I never made it through an episode of Beavis & Butthead, either. Heh, heh, heh. Click. I seem to be one of the rare Slashdotters who sympathizes with Childhood Action Project (CAP), though, ( I'm a Christian raising two sons with my stay-at-home wife) so into the fray I go...

CAP is trying to quantify their analysis of the film. They offer their reviews as a tool for parents like me so I can decide which movies we'd like to take our family to see. (I'm not alone, BTW. Financial analysis shows that R-rated movies make less money than G, PG, or PG-13. Nowadays, Hollywood has to make R- and NC-17-rated movies to puff themselves up and say they've created "art." Of course, occasionally those ratings merely serve to attempt to make up for bad writing with less-than-mass-appeal shock value, too.) CAP makes subjective measures of Wanton Violence/Crime, Impudence/Hate, Sex/Homosexuality, Drugs/Alcohol, Offense to God, and Murder/Suicide. Sure, such metrics look like foolishness to the so-called "modern" worldview. In Katz' world, Wanton Violence/Crime and Murder/Suicide are harmless unless they happen in RL; Impudence/Hate is lauded as long as it's targeted at people of faith or anyone with conventional authority; Sex/Homosexuality and Drugs/Alcohol -- the more the better; and Offense to God -- well, he's dead, so he's an easy target.

Am I a repressed fanatic because I do my best to keep my kids innocent and to teach them what I know to be the truth? Hardly. It's my job as a parent to raise them with the values that I believe will serve them best. Do I teach my kids the value of free speech? Certainly, but freedom comes with responsibility.

Those values, BTW, do include tolerance. Intolerant Christians need to be confronted with Jesus' own central teachings -- he freely associated with the outcasts of society while he sharply condemned religious self-righteousness and hypocrisy. But Jesus taught tolerance in the context of having a personal, obedient relationship with God, denying our self-centered nature, and loving -- that's agape (look up the meaning of the Greek) -- one another. Such ideals can hardly be understood by a culture that doesn't even believe in God, celebrates selfishness and self-absorption, and lusts after one another without ever knowing what the word agape means.

My kids will have plenty of opportunities as teenagers to rebel against my values and choose for themselves. But it's still my job as a parent to show them where I stand on moral issues and to teach them responsibility.

Katz declares that, instead of being a comedy, South Park is actually a sharp, political film that exposes the self-righteousness and hypocrisy of the so-called "Morality Industry." It's a sad, sad thing that people fall short of perfection. The only perfect man got nailed to a cross for his trouble. But careless critics confuse the Perfect Message with imperfect followers. Let anyone hold up a standard for (conventional) morality, and today he or she is denounced as an intolerant, self-righteous hypocrite.

As I once heard Ravi Zacharias say, "Before you tear down fences, be careful that you know why they were put up in the first place." Ethics and morals -- whether they are based on examples set by Jesus Christ, Mohammed, Buddha, old, dead Greek philosophers, or Bill Clinton -- exist to draw boundaries for social behavior. South Park, it seems, wants to show what it's like without bondaries. And ... Parker and Stone want to show me this because ...?

The Apostle Paul sums it up: "whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable--if anything is excellent or praiseworthy--think about such things." ( Philipians 4:8)

As has also been said, "If you swim in the sewer, you're bound to get dirty."

One final comment -- if you think hackers can't be Christians, what is to be done with Larry Wall?

His attitude is a typical media-elite mocking dismissal of the numbing-down of what's socially acceptable. GnrcMan's comments about the Childhood Action Project's review also smack of politically correct "what's the big deal?" posturing. And replies to GnrcMan's comments reinforce the "what a funny, harmless movie" lock-step opinion. But words and images have consequences. A tragic example of that is the story on the Reuters wire yesterday about a 7-year-old boy killing his 3-year-old brother by copying a move he saw in televised pro wrestling.

I have no desire to see the movie. I can't even sit through the TV show. I never made it through an episode of Beavis & Butthead, either. Heh, heh, heh. Click. I seem to be one of the rare Slashdotters who sympathizes with Childhood Action Project (CAP), though, ( I'm a Christian raising two sons with my stay-at-home wife) so into the fray I go...

CAP is trying to quantify their analysis of the film. They offer their reviews as a tool for parents like me so I can decide which movies we'd like to take our family to see. (I'm not alone, BTW. Financial analysis shows that R-rated movies make less money than G, PG, or PG-13. Nowadays, Hollywood has to make R- and NC-17-rated movies to puff themselves up and say they've created "art." Of course, occasionally those ratings merely serve to attempt to make up for bad writing with less-than-mass-appeal shock value, too.) CAP makes subjective measures of Wanton Violence/Crime, Impudence/Hate, Sex/Homosexuality, Drugs/Alcohol, Offense to God, and Murder/Suicide. Sure, such metrics look like foolishness to the so-called "modern" worldview. In Katz' world, Wanton Violence/Crime and Murder/Suicide are harmless unless they happen in RL; Impudence/Hate is lauded as long as it's targeted at people of faith or anyone with conventional authority; Sex/Homosexuality and Drugs/Alcohol -- the more the better; and Offense to God -- well, he's dead, so he's an easy target.

Am I a repressed fanatic because I do my best to keep my kids innocent and to teach them what I know to be the truth? Hardly. It's my job as a parent to raise them with the values that I believe will serve them best. Do I teach my kids the value of free speech? Certainly, but freedom comes with responsibility.

Those values, BTW, do include tolerance. Intolerant Christians need to be confronted with Jesus' own central teachings -- he freely associated with the outcasts of society while he sharply condemned religious self-righteousness and hypocrisy. But Jesus taught tolerance in the context of having a personal, obedient relationship with God, denying our self-centered nature, and loving -- that's agape (look up the meaning of the Greek) -- one another. Such ideals can hardly be understood by a culture that doesn't even believe in God, celebrates selfishness and self-absorption, and lusts after one another without ever knowing what the word agape means.

My kids will have plenty of opportunities as teenagers to rebel against my values and choose for themselves. But it's still my job as a parent to show them where I stand on moral issues and to teach them responsibility.

Katz declares that, instead of being a comedy, South Park is actually a sharp, political film that exposes the self-righteousness and hypocrisy of the so-called "Morality Industry." It's a sad, sad thing that people fall short of perfection. The only perfect man got nailed to a cross for his trouble. But careless critics confuse the Perfect Message with imperfect followers. Let anyone hold up a standard for (conventional) morality, and today he or she is denounced as an intolerant, self-righteous hypocrite.

As I once heard Ravi Zacharias say, "Before you tear down fences, be careful that you know why they were put up in the first place." Ethics and morals -- whether they are based on examples set by Jesus Christ, Mohammed, Buddha, old, dead Greek philosophers, or Bill Clinton -- exist to draw boundaries for social behavior. South Park, it seems, wants to show what it's like without bondaries. And ... Parker and Stone want to show me this because ...?

The Apostle Paul sums it up: "whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable--if anything is excellent or praiseworthy--think about such things." ( Philipians 4:8)

As has also been said, "If you swim in the sewer, you're bound to get dirty."

One final comment -- if you think hackers can't be Christians, what is to be done with Larry Wall?

Since science admits when they are wrong. I guess I won't be hearing about Carbon dating anymore. I'm also glad to know that the whole layer dating issue is gone for good. Not to mention that a 2-year-old Biology book at college is still trying to show the horse/graffe argument. Remember, if you keep cross breeding tomatos long enough, you'll eventually get a dog.

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That site had nothing to do with creation or God. It had to do with people saying that they had supernatural abilities, UFOs, and such stuff as that. The topic here is that creation can be proven through science.
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Again, I will present you with facts that I don't have on have on hand here at work. I can get these for you if you need them though.

It can be shown that in order for the Crand Canyon to have been made, the colorado river would have had to flow uphill. It can also be shown with Geological layers that one whale is both thousands of years old and millions of years old. How? Well, there is a whale that is trapped in several geo layers at once. It is vertical. It's called "The Baline (sp) whale on it's tail" It was found in CA. How could this have happened? How could the crand canyon have been formed if the water had to go uphill? Perhaps it was a world wide flood. A flood of that magnitude would be able to wipe out sedimentary rock easily. With all this mud, a whale could have been positioned vertical and dryed accourdingly.

I also love this about science

"How do you know the bone is 100 years old?"
"Because we found it in layer x"
"How do you know layer x is 100 years old?"
"Because we found this 100-year-old bone in it"

Is it me or is this circular reasoning?

There is a dinosaur fossil that has a human footprint in it too.

It takes more faith to believe evolution than it does to believe creation.
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This is typical of the blinding nature of faith. It is assumed right IN SPITE OF evidence, not BECAUSE OF evidence. One could just as easily say "I am going to assume that there are humans living on Jupiter until it is proven wrong." If we thought like this person then we would have to accept every hair-brained idea until someone could "prove" it wrong.
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Ok, let me enlighten you. Force=mass*acceleration right? That has been taught in physics classes as truth. Why? Because it has been proven? No, it has not been proven. However, they can not disprove it and it is right in every case they have tried therefore they accept it as truth. Most people don't know this but it's true. If you doubt, I can give you an e-mail to the guy who invented R2-D2. He is a professor at Tennessee Technological University and in the Engineering department. By the way, they are ranked 5th in the entire United States in Engineering.

Neat huh?

Joseph
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http://www.drdino.com
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"Which bible? "

Not the UNIX bible or the Windows bible, but the Bible. I don't care which translation. English is always good.

"What does 'mans knowledge will increase' mean? "
That is not the exact quote and I appoligize for not having the scripture handy. I will look it up later and post a more specifc passage for you.

"Compared to what? how can this be measured? "
How can any amount of knowledge be measured? Only against what we knew in the past. A paraphrase of the meaning of the scripture would be that our knowledge is going to increase beyond what we ever thought possible. I'll try and give you the verses so you can read it yourself.

"God's timing will not be changed by anything I say or do"
"which god?"

The only God. Which name? Jahova, "I am", Lord God, God Almightly... They all were used at different times because he was different things to different people. To one person he was a healer at the time they were addressing him. To another a friend. The names reflect those relationships.

"The protestant one? catholic one?"

Most religions differ only in a few minor issues such as, "Can you sprinkle or do you need to be dunked"

The only thing that matters is if you accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior. See my signature.
The other stuff is important but not a Heven or Hell issue.

"what if you don't believe in god?"

Belief is something is not what makes it true or false.

http://www.drdino.com is some good reading for you.

or what if our jewish?
Same God, they just don't believe that Jesus has came yet. The Bible even say that they would do so before they did.


What are you talking about?

The only thing that will ever matter in this world. In 100 years, will it have mattered if we ran Linux or Windows? Will it matter if we were famous? This stuff is just along for fun.

Trying to live for the truth,

Trith
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Delay the inevitable?

I am a christian and I don't try and delay anything. God's timing will not be changed by anything I say or do. The Bible does say that man's knowledge will increase drastictly as the end of time approaches. I therefore expect thinks like this.

Joseph

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>More hype than it deserves

No, the ability to have a free, stable OS is not hype. It's just good.

>Nothing new from what existed 20 years ago
>(well, actually Unix is older than that...)

Think about what you say before you say it. New apps are developed every day. Besides, if you'll step out of the box and see features as more than command line syntax, you can see that being FREE is a new thing for UNIX. How much did it cost relative to now 20 years ago?

>Lots of special effects, but no real content
>(show me something that Linux can do that other >OS's can't)

It can stay up under large loads without crashing.

It allows you to continue to use your computer for longer periods of time without upgrading.

Forgive me, but I must include the Bewolf clustering and the fact that I don't see a NT cluster making the worlds 16th fastest computer.
Someone please provide the link for that because I don't have it handy.

By the way, how many users can log onto NT Enterprise Server at a time? one?

>Can't hold up on it's own (you still need to >dual boot to nt or 95 to run your real software, >or get any work done, or play any good games.)

The games part was true, but now Quake III, Civ III, Myth II and such are comming out for Linux.
I can't run virues in Linux though. I always have to reboot to Windows when I want to use them.


>We have to wait 3-6 years for it to be worth >anything (who wants suffer waiting for linux to >mature, I'll install it once it can do the >things i need it to do and runs the programs i >need to run).

I can do more with Linux than I can with NT. The only thing NT does better is crash. It does that quite well.

You've obviously either never used Linux or just don't have the disire to be the best. I've used NT. I can speak from experience on both sides. Linux is far superior.

I'm not being mean, but you really just don't have a clue about Linux. Seriously, give it a try. I think you'll be surprised.


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I have always loved vi but I wish it had just one extra feature. Maybe someone here would know a way to do this. Can you select like 10 lines and hit tab to indent a section? I know you can adjust your tabs globally ect but just to mark a section and indent it would be so nice. That is the one thing that has just about swayed me into trying emacs.

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Does having a UNIX core constitute "competing in the UNIX market"?

If micros~1 were to build on top of UNIX like Apple did with OS/X, would that not be competing in the desktop arena?

It is a legal technicality that they could probably get around.

But if they owned Xenix and gave it up instead of building the nice GUI on it and making UNIX invisible to the user, then why do it now?

Maybe they won't. I just don't like that risk.


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