Domain: greenparty.org.uk
Stories and comments across the archive that link to greenparty.org.uk.
Comments · 11
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Re:expect nothing less from the Nasty Party
Clearly you have not bothered to read the Green Party or Plaid Cmyru manifestos or find out almost anything about them. In fact let's just look at the headline points from the Green Party's policy page:
Fair is worth fighting for
The banking system
Health and the NHS
Pensions
Housing
Jobs and a living wage
Transport
Young peopleNotice that they don't even mention environmentalism on that list, which is what you claim is their single issue. I picked the Greens at random, but even UKIP have policies on most things.
If you are going to vote and then moan about the choice at least bother to spend one minute scanning their websites first.
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Re:What science is behind this?
I absolutely agree with what you've written about Greenpeace. Coal and oil power plants should be a tiny minority by now: almost all of the electrical energy used throughout the world should come from nuclear power stations. But alas it is not so. Greenpeace could have lobbied for nuclear power, but it didn't. It did its damndest to stop it.
On a related matter, I was dismayed to discover that the UK's Green Party are still fanatically anti-nuclear, in a way that many environmentalists have ceased to be, since it's become clear that (1) renewable energy isn't always the right solution, and (2) everything else other than nuclear puts an unmanageable amount of pollution right into the atmosphere. Their arguments against this are, to be blunt, really stupid.
For example, the UK Green Party spent page 10 of their 2010 manifesto arguing that nuclear power is bad because the number of people required to produce each watthour is much smaller than wind, coal and oil power stations. It didn't seem to have occured to them that this is a powerful argument for nuclear. Without even a hint of irony, this is immediately followed by a message about the benefits of energy efficiency.
You'd almost begin to think that they like pollution, since what would be the point of Greenpeace or a Green Party if there was no pollution?
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Re:New internet
Perhaps they need to consider http://www.greenparty.org.uk/. Green parties the world over seem to be the new balance to labour parties that have drifted a little to far to the right. The right wing parties of the rich and greedy have drifted off into the ether, into a world of rage and hate as they desperately try and retain power over everything and know they are losing. Add to that there are always independents (not recent closet right wingers) but people who have had a long history of independence.
Specifically targeting those individual politicians who have demonstrated their corruption and their contempt of the rights, values and well being of the majority citizens, and driving them permanently from political office with a concerted political campaign is the way to go. You don't need to target the whole party just do a little aggressive weeding to remove the worst pests and replace them with someone more concerned about the people rather than their own Swiss et al bank account.
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Re:Well, we all know what to do...
They've given mostly decent reasons for their opposition: policy (PDF). I don't agree with all of them, but I doubt I'll agree with everything the Pirate Party says.
The energy solutions of the current government are crap anyway -- massive, inefficient, fossil-fuel power stations. If we're going to burn coal, we should at least be using the "waste" heat to do something useful, like heat homes and factories. Instead of building a massive power plant in the Kent countryside, why not build 10 smaller CHP plants in/near towns?
This isn't a new idea, my university in central London had a gas (I think) CHP plant, and many towns in the rest of Europe have plants run by power companies powered by various fuels.I won't support nuclear power run by a for-profit company either, the clean-up costs come to the taxpayer in the end, so the profits from the generation should too.
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Re:One big difference between wikipedia and others
What about Respect, the Greens, or the lefties?
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Re:Don't forget Poland
' Show me a libertarian party'
The greens aren't too bad, if you can put up with the terribly middle class names they all have.
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Re:Mainstream PerceptionThe Green Party is best known for its progressive policies on the environment, however its other policies are often shrouded...
Indeed. I, like many people, would like to think of myself as environmentally concious, or "green" in the sense that it makes sense not to destroy the ecosystem upon which we so clearly depend.
That said, I am also avidly in favor of a Free society. As it turns out, such a philosophy is contradictory with Socialism, and contradictory with State control over my personal lifestyle or fiscal choices.
Now, the Green Party in the UK openly asserts that Green economic policies are basically Socialist in nature. Given that the US Green Party has a virtually identical economic platform, calling explicitly for a Welfare state...
Would it not be intellectually and morally appropriate for the US Green Party to simply come out and explicitly state that the Party's economic platform is, basically, a Socialist one?
Or do you fear that this would turn off too many voters, like me?
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Re:Waste of time
The UK Greens are pro-European but anti-Euro. See:
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Re:Indian democracy
The UK is thankfully not as skewed as the US party system, but it is still pretty depressing.
There is so little to choose between New Labour and the Conservatives, simply because people don't care or understand politics, nor believe that their vote will have any impact.
You recommend voting for the Lib Dems. They will replace the Tories in about 15 years (when the last remaining Tory voters have died of old age), and then we're back in the same shit situation.
You shouldn't vote for someone because they're not the main two. People need to get off their collective arses, and read about what each party believes in and then make an informed decision.
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Re:A system without passwords
Except our government doesn't mind when we seek alternative political points of view, there's does, in fact they kill people over it. Thats the difference. As for a major dissent movment, the simple fact that we live in a democracy means that any such movement can simply be expressed on election day. See here and here for examples. As for forien news sources, this one is quite popular. And although this one isn't forien, its quite un biased compaired to the other major news outlets.
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Re:Apropos of Nader
This might be true if the Greens were a small, young party based around a few popular characters, like the Reform party. In fact, they're a well-established organization with over 250 candidates running in the 2000 American elections, as well as allied green parties throughout the world. To some extent, they're willing to bend the party line to admit good, honest candidates (e.g., Nader himself), but they're hardly too small to hold together in the face of popularity.
- Michael Cohn