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You should try the new Gnome. Redhat 6.2 uses Gnome with Enlightenment when you install it. However, Enlightenment does not work all that nice with Gnome. There is a much better wm called Sawfish (formerly Sawmill) which isn't as much of a resource hog. It is more customizable, and it integrates with Gnome more seamlessly.

I'm following in the footsteps of an earlier poster in saying that I'm disappointed to see Apple and NeXT's best and brightest come up with... a file browser. I'm just as disappointed as I was five years ago when I signed up to be one of the first fifteen-hundred BeBox developers, after I discovered what their idea of "revolutionizing" the operating system was.

To quote Alan Cooper, from About Face: The Essentials of User Interface Design:

Even though the file system is an internal facility that shouldn't--by all rights--even affect the user, it creates a large problem because the influence of the file system on the interface of most programs is very deep. The most intractable problems facing user interface designers usually concern the file system and its demands. It affects our menus, our dialogs, even the procedural framework of our programs, and this influence is likely to continue indefinitely unless we make a concerted effort to stop it.

Currently, most software treats the file system in much the same way that the operating system shell does (Explorer, File Manager). This is tantamount to you dealing with your car the same way your mechanic does. Even though this approach is tragically bad, it is an established, de facto standard and there is considerable resistance to improving it.

Fundamentally, I'm a bit tired of hearing about how everyone's "revolutionizing" everything, when they're really not. Look: revolution and revolutioniz e both imply "sudden, radical, or complete change". The American colonies didn't fight the Revolutionary War to install a local king. The French Revolution wasn't so they could hire a newer, prettier cake-eater.

The file system, fundamentally, is an implementation detail. It's an artifact of how "things have always been done". It's a drag on doing real, substantive improvement to the way computers work for people. There are millions of people out there who have never used a computer, and have yet to learn. They don't need to learn what a filesystem is, or to navigate it. They need to be able to find and use the information and tools that are important to them, period.

If we truly want to revolutionize the user interface, the user experience, etc., then we really need to start with a more fundamental re-thinking of how things work. Some of the ideas Miguel de Icaza outlined in his Let's Make Unix Not Suck talk/paper are a good starting place. The universal presence of an ORB, lots of small tools cooperating via the ORB interactively, are all good kicks in the pants of the Unix mindset. But, fundamentally, that's nothing more than what Redmond is doing with COM*, etc. There's more work to be done. There's ripping out the filesystem as a mechanism for data storage and retrieval, and replacing it with a dynamic semantic network, allowing information storage and retrieval (don't confuse data and information). There's moving away from skins and into real, powerful, direct-manipulation user interfaces. For those of you that remember OS/2 and IBM's System Object Model, there was some very, very powerful technology underneath all of that! Hell, you still can't reliably drag a document over top of the printer and have it "do the right thing" in Windows or Linux like you could in OS/2. And that was CORBA all over the place, too, so there was plenty of room for those services to make their way out over the network.

Don't even get me started on package management and installation management, or system administration. Suffice it to say that very little of our technology is designed to help us achieve our goals. It's a lot of work, but this community has boundless energy, and the opportunity and environment to do things that are truly revolutionary. We revolutionized the development model, now let's revolutionize the technology.

Enlightenment is not the default window manager
There is no default window manager for gnome currently

The helix distribution comes with SawFish.
This is really user-friendly because sawfish is easy to use and integrated with the control center

I myself like the enlightenment iconbox and pager and am willing to sacrifice a little time to configure it.

Evolution is a mail client that's being developed by Helix Code. It's currently in the prerelease stage, at version 0.3.1, but it's usable. If you used Outlook before, you'll find evolution to have a very very similar interface.

I use evolution now, keeping a backup somewhere else, and it hasn't lost my mail or anything yet, though it does leave stray processes running all the time. sometimes I have to kill them between launchings of the program so it'll run, but, outside of these glitches thatll likely be fixed by release, I find it to be very easy to use, and pretty stable.

I'd recommend giving it a try. If you're running a major distro, you'll also find helix's install to be very simple, though if you have a slow internet connection it could be painful. You'll have to download a good number of the latest libraries for evolution to work.

Neil

Evolution is a mail client that's being developed by Helix Code. It's currently in the prerelease stage, at version 0.3.1, but it's usable. If you used Outlook before, you'll find evolution to have a very very similar interface.

I use evolution now, keeping a backup somewhere else, and it hasn't lost my mail or anything yet, though it does leave stray processes running all the time. sometimes I have to kill them between launchings of the program so it'll run, but, outside of these glitches thatll likely be fixed by release, I find it to be very easy to use, and pretty stable.

I'd recommend giving it a try. If you're running a major distro, you'll also find helix's install to be very simple, though if you have a slow internet connection it could be painful. You'll have to download a good number of the latest libraries for evolution to work.

Neil

Reading some of the comments here, seems like people haven't really read what the article or don't really understand what Bonono is.

Check out the full description at :

http://www.helixcode.com/tech/bonobo.php3

Just to quote from that page if you can't be bothered :

Bonobo is a set of CORBA interfaces that define the interactions required for writing components and compound documents. These CORBA interfaces are not bound to GNOME, the X11 windowing system, or the UNIX system.

The Bonobo distribution as shipped by the GNOME project includes the Bonobo CORBA interfaces, and a GNOME/Gtk+-based implementation of these interfaces.

1. Use the Helix Gnome Installer and select which packages you want.

2. Use an ftp client to download all the packages and then just install them all. They'll resolve all the dependency issues for you.

3. Get a distribution that includes the Gnome libraries.
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Miguel has addressed your problem with the helix update tool which updates your system with the latest GNOME libraries by downloading and installing them with just a couple clicks.

Get Helix GNOME!

siri

These tools could save a lot of time for someone with a lot of workstations to configure (the link in the news item gives examples of this), and linux is supposed to be about choice.

Derwen

These tools could save a lot of time for someone with a lot of workstations to configure (the link in the news item gives examples of this), and linux is supposed to be about choice.

Derwen

This is a good step for Linux.
Companies like Helix, Chilliware and MountLinux are trying to put a pleasant face on some arcane tools.
Nothing wrong with that...nothing at all.
A cool article recently on LinuxGram talks about that, note the title of it...this is what we need, more companies doing apps, especially if we ever want to throw Linux on our parents/grandparents/kids machines.



"Don't try to confuse the issue with half truths and gorilla dust."
Bill McNeal (Phil Hartman)

The short answer is that Nautilus is Eazel's open source replacement for the current Gnome file manager, gmc. As the Gnome hackers discovered once they were deep into the project, Midnight Commander wasn't the greatest of file managers to use as a starting point for a Gnome file manager. Also, as The Gnome Project has matured, we have new technologies to work with, such as Bonobo. Nautilus will use these new advances in the Gnome framework to provide a next generation file manager for the Gnome Project. Nautilus will not only allow you to manage your files, but also to view documents using embedded viewers. The next generation Gnome help system will use nautilus, for example. Once nautilus is released as part of the Gnome desktop, users will notice an incredible difference as it will play a very integral part, and should appeal to newbies and Unix experts alike.
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FYI, Linux PCC guru Stew Benedict has a great article in this month's Linux Journal, "Yellow Dog Linux on the iMac." He gives a good overview of the process, the benefits and drawbacks to YDL, etc.

FWIW, I use Yellowdog (I have for over a year), and I absolutely love it. There's nuthin' prettier than Helix Gnome on an iMac. :)

-Waldo
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I personally don't think there should be an explanation of the terms used in every /. story. If you don't know what Evolution is, you can either choose to ignore the story, click on the appropriate links, or ask someone via a post. Learn to do a little research.
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http://www.helixcode.com/imagewrap.php3?image=apps /evolution-screenshots/evoluti on_inbox.jpg

Look at the handshake icon for the Contact list! What the hell is that?

Don't be so quick on the trigger. I just looked at the story posted here and it looks to be backwards.

should have been the Evolution link

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should have been the announced link

Don't be so quick on the trigger. I just looked at the story posted here and it looks to be backwards.

should have been the Evolution link

and

should have been the announced link

This program is geared toward the unstable release (2.3?) of Debian, called "Woody".. you would have to change your sources list to say "unstable" on the official servers and then 'apt-get dist-upgrade' since it will grab the new list and take care of library upgrades. This should fix your base library problem.

After that, run their installer from the shell pipe. It is quite nifty. You can also follow the directions here for a manual install.

Camel is a generic messaging library. It is being used as the back end for the mail component of Evolution.

Evolution

That's one of the little problems that's keeping many of these projects behind. I mean it doesn't take much effort to find at all, but it does look semi-unprofessional.

I look at all the icky Windows Software warehouses and press releases and there will be atleast a very brief description about the product being offered/used.

Another thing is some of the software names... but that's another topic. Anyways, kudos to the Evolution development team, hopefully we'll have a stable version being released soon

From the Evolution Faq which is available here.

My company uses Microsoft Exchange (or Lotus Notes). Will I be able to replace my Windows machine with a Linux machine running Evolution?

We will support as many (useful) open protocols as we can, but the first release will most likely not be able to interoperate with all of the features of various closed proprietary systems.

Try reading the first link on the announcement page. It gives a pretty decent explanation.

Actually, OpenNap is the name of an open source Napster Protocol *Server*
Many (all?) of these servers run OpenNap, and some of them have opennap in the name like opennap.cx and opennap.squidcafe.com
bitchx.dimension6.com seems to be one of the bigger ones
If you run Helix Gnome like me, you already have gnapster installed, and can choose from a number of OpenNap servers.
Some of these servers are just as large as the official napster servers.
If I'm not mistaken, Napster is not like an IRC network: the servers are not interlinked.
If you are on one you don't see mp3s from those connected to a different server. There are many official napster servers that the client connects to.

What does all this mean you say?
It means that if you have a program that will let you access other servers, you should be able to get as diverse a collection of music as before, as well as the ability to try another server when you don't see what you are looking for.

I think I read somewhere where Miguel said, if you don't like Gnome, you're probably using RedHat's version... :)

Get HelixCode's version of GNOME (Helix GNOME). It kicks ass. http://www.helixcode.com/

It comes set up with sawfish as a default, and it is a very nice window manager.

To grab it is also simple, just change this line from the directions on Helix's site from...

1. lynx -source http://go-gnome.com | sh

to...

1. lynx -source http://go-gnome.com > foo.sh

...and you can view the script.

The script itself is simple, and basically puts up a warning and extracts a binary. The binary is uuencoded, and source is available.

The installer is quite handy if you have a network since you can run and fetch everything from a local, and known secure, machine...not Helix's site.

Try this instead:
As yourself:
lynx -source http://go-gnome.com > install.sh
vi install.sh
Read the source. Notice that a binary is included. That binary is the installer, and can be obtained here

As root:
sh < install.sh

This is the preferred insecure method with a little bit of intelligence applied so that you understand what you're running. If you don't trust the binary from HelixCode, then you're probably out of luck, and then you'll have to compile the whole mess. If your only issue is the superuser "lynx | sh" then this will alleviate your fears. The installer shell script isn't too complex, so just read the source and do your own audit.

GNOME is even more difficult to install. I don't know anyone who has figured out what to download to get it working and the only "easy install tool" means you have to foolishly trust an online shell script via "lynx -source" and run it as root.

You obviously haven't tried the Helix GNOME Preview 2!
It is *very* easy to install and update - you should try it out! You will not be disappointed - I garantee!

Integration is planned through the use of Bonobo, which incidentally is the component architecture that Sun has chosen to use with Star Office. So you'll be able in a Gnome version of AbiWord, some time in the future, to embed a spreadsheet (gnumeric, excel, star office) in an AbiWord document and even edit from that shell, using the familiar gnumeric controls.
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However, GnomeOffice has a better edge in the future if you include GIMP in it. StarOffice doesn't come with a photo editing tools, something like Photoshop. And that's a good news for GnomeOffice. Especially, GIMP is a very good software to use.

If they really want to make those software (AbiWord, Gnumeric, GIMP, ...) as a office suite, they should work on a central file type or file format that can let these "GnomeOffice" document types compatible and interactive with each other.

Unlikely that GnomeOffice will be use by most *NIX users. Not yet. But one may never know if once Gnome will take over the CDE world.

Good luck!

Miguel mentions that "if you think GNOME sucks it's probably because you are using Red Hat's version". This is just so true.

Why does the default desktop supplied by Red Hat have to be so uggly? The icons on the taskbar aren't event lined up properly for christssakes, but seem to be placed by random. The theme is most boring one possbile, and the settings of the windowmanager is enough drive anyone mad. When you've installed the latest Red Hat you have to spend at least an hour to get the settings somewhat usable. Don't even get me started on the *totally* messed up Netscape fonts. What are people new to Linux going to think! They can't be expected to mess around with fontpaths and fontservers.

The point I'm trying to make is that Red Hat has just slapped the latest version of GNOME available at the time, compiled it straight from its pristine sources and added two links to redhat.com on the desktop. That's just not going to cut it, not this century. If you want to see how a desktop *should* look , straight out of the box, take a look at Helix Code's GNOME version. Now *that* is a good looking and behaving desktop, a desktop I wouldn't be ashamed to show a user who knows nothing about Linux. First impressions are important! If Red Hat has any clue they'll be using Helix's versions from on. They are VAR after all, so how about adding some value to the product! It costs them nothing.

Okay, I'm done ranting now.

(Note: I wasn't at OLS. I'm getting this from the article.)

Miguel de Icaza shows up at OLS and immediately begins ranting about how bad Unix in general (and Linux in particular) is. Partially, he says, this is because the kernel doesn't decide on any particular "policy" (by which, one can assume he means any number of things), but mostly it's because there is little-to-no code reuse among Unix applications.

By the way - Miguel's (or, at least, Helixcode's) latest project, called Bonobo, is a software component system designed to make code reuse easy. If you're using GNOME, anyway.

It's classic marketing technique: you build up a problem in the mind of a listener, then solve it for him with your product. That doesn't necessarily invalidate it (Unix systems do lack reusable software components, and that's a real problem). It's similar to what John Carmack did at Macworld when he issued that backhanded comment about Mac 3D hardware finally not sucking. We're just not used to hearing it from Open Source people.

(Note: I wasn't at OLS. I'm getting this from the article.)

Miguel de Icaza shows up at OLS and immediately begins ranting about how bad Unix in general (and Linux in particular) is. Partially, he says, this is because the kernel doesn't decide on any particular "policy" (by which, one can assume he means any number of things), but mostly it's because there is little-to-no code reuse among Unix applications.

By the way - Miguel's (or, at least, Helixcode's) latest project, called Bonobo, is a software component system designed to make code reuse easy. If you're using GNOME, anyway.

It's classic marketing technique: you build up a problem in the mind of a listener, then solve it for him with your product. That doesn't necessarily invalidate it (Unix systems do lack reusable software components, and that's a real problem). It's similar to what John Carmack did at Macworld when he issued that backhanded comment about Mac 3D hardware finally not sucking. We're just not used to hearing it from Open Source people.

Just get the Helix Gnome packages, and you'll be happy. :)

HelixCode is a new, cutting-edge GUI for Linux that shows promise.
A lot of inovative design.
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If my facts are wrong then tell me. I don't mind.

The article clearly states that "Bonobo is toolkit-independant." And, quoting from The Bonobo page at HelixCode:

Bonobo is a set of CORBA interfaces that define the interactions required for writing components and compound documents. These CORBA interfaces are not bound to GNOME, the X11 windowing system, or the UNIX system.

So, by your definition (with which I agreee), KParts is badly designed.

© 2000 Ilmari. All ritghts reserved, all wrongs reversed

• Bonobo: the GNOME architecture for creating reusable software components and compound documents
  
  
• KDE 2: An intro to the parts of KDE II like KParts and XMLGUI
  
  
• Supporters of the KParts/Bonobo merger

Here's my DeCSS mirror. Where's yours?

He does have a bit of a point that Linux has mostly been about copying others.

I'll drink to that. Linux's supposed crowning achievement -- GNOME -- is very nice but deep down it's just a clone. It just looks prettier than what it's cloning. I got all excited about Evolution a few months ago; then I went and looked at it when Helix did the PR. I'm thinking, ``wow, look, Helix is porting Outlook to GNOME.''. Not exactly exciting or innovative.

I wondered in a thread back when the Beanie Awards were announced -- where's the category for best new thing in the open source world? All I see are reimplementations. Then again, I guess that's what GNU always did -- take existing stuff, rewrite it, and bloat it.

He does have a bit of a point that Linux has mostly been about copying others.

I'll drink to that. Linux's supposed crowning achievement -- GNOME -- is very nice but deep down it's just a clone. It just looks prettier than what it's cloning. I got all excited about Evolution a few months ago; then I went and looked at it when Helix did the PR. I'm thinking, ``wow, look, Helix is porting Outlook to GNOME.''. Not exactly exciting or innovative.

I wondered in a thread back when the Beanie Awards were announced -- where's the category for best new thing in the open source world? All I see are reimplementations. Then again, I guess that's what GNU always did -- take existing stuff, rewrite it, and bloat it.

Without meaning to troll here, it does seem as though KDE has started to become ascendant in the desktop 'war' and GNOME has become a bit more of a backwater recently ; I think the earlier QT licence changes seem to have taken a lot of the impetus out of creating GNOME .

Maybe I live under a rock or something but I have seen almost the opposite reaction. With Helix Code kicking out new packages of Gnome all the time and the every increasing press releases from Eazel, I have almost forgotten about KDE. I admit there seem to be a lot of bugs but hey it's better then it used to be..... With sawfish it's a killer combination. Still I suppose you are talking about people who actually write code for the projects. <:

Don't get me wrong, I like KDE but it has become so cluttered with applications that I don't use. I have been on a "simplfy my desktop" mood lately. Ah, the virtues of choice. <:

Without meaning to troll here, it does seem as though KDE has started to become ascendant in the desktop 'war' and GNOME has become a bit more of a backwater recently ; I think the earlier QT licence changes seem to have taken a lot of the impetus out of creating GNOME .

Maybe I live under a rock or something but I have seen almost the opposite reaction. With Helix Code kicking out new packages of Gnome all the time and the every increasing press releases from Eazel, I have almost forgotten about KDE. I admit there seem to be a lot of bugs but hey it's better then it used to be..... With sawfish it's a killer combination. Still I suppose you are talking about people who actually write code for the projects. <:

Don't get me wrong, I like KDE but it has become so cluttered with applications that I don't use. I have been on a "simplfy my desktop" mood lately. Ah, the virtues of choice. <:

Without meaning to troll here, it does seem as though KDE has started to become ascendant in the desktop 'war' and GNOME has become a bit more of a backwater recently ; I think the earlier QT licence changes seem to have taken a lot of the impetus out of creating GNOME .

Maybe I live under a rock or something but I have seen almost the opposite reaction. With Helix Code kicking out new packages of Gnome all the time and the every increasing press releases from Eazel, I have almost forgotten about KDE. I admit there seem to be a lot of bugs but hey it's better then it used to be..... With sawfish it's a killer combination. Still I suppose you are talking about people who actually write code for the projects. <:

Don't get me wrong, I like KDE but it has become so cluttered with applications that I don't use. I have been on a "simplfy my desktop" mood lately. Ah, the virtues of choice. <:

It's already somewhat available. Check out , which is basically Visual Basic for Applications on Gnome (and if it gets done for the Gnome environment, it will get ported around.)

Michael Meeks & co. is doing the job right, however. GB is designed to be a lot more secure than VBA is currently. Personally, I'm dying to see this get completed - I can finally start moving the company way from MS based product to Gnome's Excel-alike. You'd be surprised how much use VBA gets in Excel, and a replacement that covers both Excel and the VBA scripting engine is going to go a long way to moving larger offices over to Free Software / Open Source equivalants.

For those who are really interested - this is VBA, not really VB. There is no Visual Basic IDE for Linux planed. At a later date it's supposed to do Gnome Basic -> C conversion.

And while many people here hate Visual Basic, I'm still a fan of it :-) I'm really happy to see the same thing for Linux coming!

People still don't interact much differently than they did during the DOS days, at least not the flatworm IQ people we're talking about here.

We're not talking slashdotters here, we're talking about that one woman in the office who will call you to tell you that her computer is broken because she didn't realize after 5 years of using it that there is a power switch on the monitor.

Just like in the days of DOS, most people just follow the same rigid patterns that they did then. Most people still don't right-click, or even know that they can.

They just log in, perform the 6 clicks/data entry things that they have to, then log out. I don't think they actually had to learn to use computers, I think they had to learn by rote the 6 steps to get the awful computer-related job done.

I mean, MS wouldn't have "invented" that little paper clip if there wasn't some sort of need for it.

By this same argument, however, if you can have MS Office 2000/Exchange compatibility (which I think we will see within a year from helixcode with Evolution.

All we really need is an open-source version of CDO (MS's Collaboration Data Objects) library to accomplish absolutely everything Exchange/Outlook can do. Between CDO and MAPI you can do just about anything with Exchange.

People still don't interact much differently than they did during the DOS days, at least not the flatworm IQ people we're talking about here.

We're not talking slashdotters here, we're talking about that one woman in the office who will call you to tell you that her computer is broken because she didn't realize after 5 years of using it that there is a power switch on the monitor.

Just like in the days of DOS, most people just follow the same rigid patterns that they did then. Most people still don't right-click, or even know that they can.

They just log in, perform the 6 clicks/data entry things that they have to, then log out. I don't think they actually had to learn to use computers, I think they had to learn by rote the 6 steps to get the awful computer-related job done.

I mean, MS wouldn't have "invented" that little paper clip if there wasn't some sort of need for it.

By this same argument, however, if you can have MS Office 2000/Exchange compatibility (which I think we will see within a year from helixcode with Evolution.

All we really need is an open-source version of CDO (MS's Collaboration Data Objects) library to accomplish absolutely everything Exchange/Outlook can do. Between CDO and MAPI you can do just about anything with Exchange.

Right on! Every true free software monk knows that money is the root of all evil. Let's break down how the evil has grown over the years.

Linus Torvalds, cute, cuddley, penguin-looking fellow. What does he want? World domination. What does he wish have said domination? Linux[tm]. What's that "tm" stand for? Transmeta, which is a company. World domination will only benefit Transmeta. Linus is but a pawn. Boycott Linux.

Richard Stallman, a lovely character with a front as high priest of the Order of Free Software. He has been known to take donations. What do donations consist of? Money. What is the most evil substance on this planet? Money. This high priest is a charleton, I say! He is as evil as the rest!

Apache, everybody's favorite open source web server. What is the Apache Software Foundation? According to their FAQ, a "not-for-profit corporation." What do they d? Take donations. Another group whose purpose is not to make quality free software, but to create DonateWare. This, my friends, we do not need. With 60+ percent of the web server market, I fear them more than Transmeta.

Sendmail, the ever popular mail transport agent with an odd name. Right on their front page, it says "sendmail[tm]." (Sorry, Slashdot doesn't allow the SUP tags like the page has.) Obviously they are in cohorts with Linus and his merry band of power-mad mind controllers. What do they do on the side? Sendmail Pro. Which this create to bring in what? Money. Tell me once again what is the most evil substance on this planet? Money.

Can I get an "Amen!?"

Miguel de Icaza, creator, dictator, and zoo keeper of many GNOMEs (you know who you are). Why did he create them? Hatred for KDE/Qt. What's he turned the crusade into? Helix Code. (What's up with the first sentance on that page, "leading open source desktop company?" I'd like to see the study that concluded that. Why does ever company have to declare themselves the leader of a one-contestent contest? I'm the leading free software development specialization operation in my apartment, who the heck cares?) What did he create Helix Code for? So people would "Buy Helix GNOME".

I could go on and on. But my point is all software we once thought would be pure has gone the way of the dollar. It truely saddens me to see this happen. Therefore, I call upon all true free software artisans to join me on a tiny desert isle to be named shortly where we will grow our own food, choke our own chickens, and code pure free software. You see, living in places like the United States, Europe, Germany, there are just too many temptations that require money, houses, cars, beer, women. Therefore we will do away with all these in the name of pure free software. Only then can we be one with the computer. Who's with me?

Right on! Every true free software monk knows that money is the root of all evil. Let's break down how the evil has grown over the years.

Linus Torvalds, cute, cuddley, penguin-looking fellow. What does he want? World domination. What does he wish have said domination? Linux[tm]. What's that "tm" stand for? Transmeta, which is a company. World domination will only benefit Transmeta. Linus is but a pawn. Boycott Linux.

Richard Stallman, a lovely character with a front as high priest of the Order of Free Software. He has been known to take donations. What do donations consist of? Money. What is the most evil substance on this planet? Money. This high priest is a charleton, I say! He is as evil as the rest!

Apache, everybody's favorite open source web server. What is the Apache Software Foundation? According to their FAQ, a "not-for-profit corporation." What do they d? Take donations. Another group whose purpose is not to make quality free software, but to create DonateWare. This, my friends, we do not need. With 60+ percent of the web server market, I fear them more than Transmeta.

Sendmail, the ever popular mail transport agent with an odd name. Right on their front page, it says "sendmail[tm]." (Sorry, Slashdot doesn't allow the SUP tags like the page has.) Obviously they are in cohorts with Linus and his merry band of power-mad mind controllers. What do they do on the side? Sendmail Pro. Which this create to bring in what? Money. Tell me once again what is the most evil substance on this planet? Money.

Can I get an "Amen!?"

Miguel de Icaza, creator, dictator, and zoo keeper of many GNOMEs (you know who you are). Why did he create them? Hatred for KDE/Qt. What's he turned the crusade into? Helix Code. (What's up with the first sentance on that page, "leading open source desktop company?" I'd like to see the study that concluded that. Why does ever company have to declare themselves the leader of a one-contestent contest? I'm the leading free software development specialization operation in my apartment, who the heck cares?) What did he create Helix Code for? So people would "Buy Helix GNOME".

I could go on and on. But my point is all software we once thought would be pure has gone the way of the dollar. It truely saddens me to see this happen. Therefore, I call upon all true free software artisans to join me on a tiny desert isle to be named shortly where we will grow our own food, choke our own chickens, and code pure free software. You see, living in places like the United States, Europe, Germany, there are just too many temptations that require money, houses, cars, beer, women. Therefore we will do away with all these in the name of pure free software. Only then can we be one with the computer. Who's with me?

Thinking of Evolution, has anyone clicked on the screenshot of "A message with an attachment"? I dunno, something about including the ILOVEYOU virus/trojan/whatever in the screenshot really amused me.

Compiling from src on a Sparc Sun Solaris 2.6 box.. that's what .. freg. But what a feeling when it works with icewm (I hope) .. Finally to do away with CDE .. muhahah!

I'm super excited about Evolution cause honestly. I'm getting sick of netscape/mutt/pine etc. .. .