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Re:USA kneel down in front of Israel
Yeah I agree with you, read this article as well it's instructive
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Re:Pop quiz! 10 global awareness questions.
The State Department figures that around 2,500 Americans are arrested every year in Foreign nations. I haven't found a single documented case of someone of Arabic descent being held without them also being charged with a legitimate crime (usually immigration violations). I disagree with bringing in Arabs for questioning, which has been done without evidence linking them to crimes.
I agree wrinkledshirt is probably trolling, but please see this article.
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Why it's not an iMacThe coolest thing about the new iMac isn't that it's an LCD, its how it's mounted. Not on a big box but a smallish base, at eye height, with an infinitely flexible yet stable arm, surrounded by a nice frame.
Let Jonathan Ive (its designer) go on about how "we wanted the user to violate the sacred plane of the monitor": Better put is it works. Around that high quality (though only 1024x768) perfectly poised LCD display is a frame that lets you casually reach out, grab it, adjust it, swing it about to share with someone else, nudge when you change position.
Just plain flat out unconsciously interact with the Display without needing to fight it or worry about smudging or getting any thing wrong.
That's AWESOME. You don't know how incredible until you've use it; afterwards everything else just sux. A display that fits folks, not the other way around, something Apple gets and the rest of the industry hasn't (nor likely will Gateway if their past is any guide.)
Sure it may look like a "Sunflower", or more like a desk lamp or a face mirror. On the other hand those two are great examples of good design - they're popular because they work and just like they the new iMac screen is adept at putting light right where you want it, in your eyes, from whatever angle you're comfortable with. And if that kinda brilliant design isn't nerdly or butch enough for ya then go back to chipping with rocks 'cause once again Apple has raised the bar for PC design and once folks get a taste they're not going to accept the 2nd rate layouts, hear that Gateway?
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Re:Interesting Political trend.Sure thing. Links between Energy Panel and Enron: here
And...
"That is not to mention the White House itself, where no fewer than 35 administration officials have declared that they owned Enron stock at some point, in some cases running into the hundreds of thousands of dollars, and several senior figures, including the US Trade Representative, Robert Zoellick, and the White House economic adviser, Larry Lindsey, who served as paid Enron consultants before entering government. Mr Lindsey has been particularly active in blending his political and his commercial interests. For much of 2000 he remained on the Enron payroll, even as he was in charge of the economic platform on which Mr Bush was running for president. And late last year, before the catastrophic nature of Enron's problems became public, he took it upon himself to conduct an investigation into the possible wider economic fallout of a major energy company - he insists he had no particular one in mind - going bankrupt overnight." Source: Source: here
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Re:Broken record
er, guns do hurt people. That and hunting are indeed their primary purposes.
Unsurprisingly there are fewer gun deaths per capita in those democracies where gun use is restricted.
Tell that to people and the police in the UK. Gun crime have skyrocketed since the UK banned firearms. Just look that This Story [news.independent.co.uk].
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The Best Country / Law Mix
Which country has the best mix of sensible copyright law and robust internet access?
That is where you want to locate a Napster/Kazaa/Morpheus/$whatever; a place where the legislators have better things to do than "fix" imaginary problems, and where everyone from everytwhere can connect fast, every time, 24/7/365.
How long will it be before countries face sanctions for allowing unfettered file sharing from thier soil?
The lobbying pressure will be strong for sanctions, because investors are still putting money into pay for stream/download business plans like Peter Gabriel's OD2 -
Re:Yes and noThere are reasonable (in my view, not sufficiently convincing, but credible) arguments to suggest that extensive bills of rights are unnecessary [...]
Three things about the US Constitution are interesting - and crucial to preserving liberty:
1) Government powers not explicitly granted to the Federal government are the responsibilities of the several States.
2) Recognition that powers not explicitly devolved to the government are enshrined in the hands of the People.
3) Provisions for Amendments to the Constitution.
The last procedure was employed early to establish some important Amendments identifying US citizens' Rights. They are not "extensive" (your key word), but instead basic. I won't list them here - you can pull them up with a simple search.
But I rather suspect you're an Australian who's quite comfortable with your Big-Brother as nanny socialist government. Sure, they handle everything for you, but you pay outrageous taxes and then pay through the nose for government sanctioned monopoly utilities on top of that. No worries mate, eh!
But Australia's far behind the US, and somewhat behind Britain, when it comes to questioning senior governmental appointments here.
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Re:Blackhawk Down = Bullshit
While I don't doubt that the US Government came to the aid of its corporations, I do disagree with the author of the above posted article labeling George W. Bush a right wing extremist. He is definitely a conservative and right wing but extremist? Of course the author is entitled to his/her opinion, but how can they be considered a credible journalist if they make non-objective remarks such as this? Then again, maybe I'm blind.
Here is another article that is similar.
...and now for something completely different...
Saving Private Ryan (SPR) is a TV special compared to Black Hawk Down (BHD)? You've got to be kidding!! Ignoring two facts that SPR is about a fictional misson in a factual background and SPR actually was a TV special this past veterans day, from a standpoint of which makes you feel the war, SPR wins hands down. Getting stabbed in the heart while a person that can help is a mere 10 feet away cowering on the steps...a medic, while administering aid, being shot through his canteen and into his side; first the water from the canteen is clear but then turns red, but he still keeps working....a guy standing on the beach, searching and eventually finding the lower half of one of his arms, picks up his arm in hopes that it could be saved. For BHD, there is only one scene that brings the same feelings and that is of the body of a soldier being carried around by an angry mob.
For those who bitch about America trying to police the world, I say we, America, should be isolationists like we were before WWI. Completely stay out of world affairs. Completely withdraw our money from IMF and other political banks. Quit trying to broker peace. While we don't singularly hold the world together, we are a major player in the game and do contribute a lot to the stability. While you can live without us if we did withdraw to isolationism, how long do you think it would take before smaller countries would self-destruct with civil war and genocide? Before a larger country would try to take over a group of smaller countries (remember the Gulf War)? Who would take our place? How long would it take before bitching begins that we shouldn't isolate ourselves? I think it is high time that all of the world grow up and realize that we should live and let live. Then nobody will have to have to be bombed to achieve a peaceful compromise. It takes along time to change, we should start sooner than later so peace comes quicker. Until then we'll all stay in the position of you can't live with us, you can't live without us. -
Stupid story Re:An Alternate ViewpointAnd the Independent story is also bullshit WRT the events that are portrayed in Black Hawk Down. (Note I said "also" - I'm sure Bruckheimer knows how to, and only to, make propaganda movies.) Why? Here are some points:
- The US soldiers didn't become "confused", they were shot down. The writer is attempting to convey the feeling of 'a My Lai'.
- The use of scare quotes. Deltas are elite forces, not "elite forces".
- The suggestion that the use of a company's building as a HQ is somehow corrupt.
- I don't think the Canadians were all monsters as the writer seems to suggest.
- It's not the fault of the Rangers if they are more succesful in killing the other side than they were killing them.
- I'm sure some unarmed people were also shot - that's what tends to happen in shitty situations like this. Tough.
- Unbelievable - should political correctness extend to choosing which soldiers to send into combat? Would it be better if blacks were shot by blacks?
- The writer says that since racism is commonplace in the army, these particular soldiers must therefore also have killed the other side's combatants out of racism. Logical error.
- Another use of scare quotes: If Belgium, Italy etc. were indeed involved, then why wasn't it a United Nations mission instead of a "United Nations" mission?
- The rape happened a long time after the incident portrayed in the film. I see no "glorification" of rape taking place.
- The crap piece ends with a nice little warning 'If Britain goes along with these sadistic murderers (all Americans are like that), we're doomed for sure.'
Oh well, time to see this message get moderated to -1 Troll by the UK anti-US faction of moderators... and I'm not even American.
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An Alternate Viewpoint
Mr. Katz's review seems to follow the government approved propaganda.. Here is a story from "The Independant", a London newspaper, with a different take on the events in Somalia:
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I like the independent.
What the hell I feel like losing some karma today. Here is an Offtopic and a Troll for you fellow moderators... I just think it is worth turning some people's attention to the interesting links in the "From Americas section"
* Just retribution or an abuse of human rights? A big question, with only one answer in the US
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* American action is unlawful, say legal experts
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I like the independent.
What the hell I feel like losing some karma today. Here is an Offtopic and a Troll for you fellow moderators... I just think it is worth turning some people's attention to the interesting links in the "From Americas section"
* Just retribution or an abuse of human rights? A big question, with only one answer in the US
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* American action is unlawful, say legal experts
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Re:Just what we need on the battlefield
Of course not, the mutant children in Iraq is just pure propogranda by the wiley British.
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Getting the News out.
I once asked a guy from Iraq about this. His country is facing massive starvation, medical problems, and decaying infrasturcture due to the U.N. Sanctions. Sanctions which aren't weakening Saddam any. (see here or here[msword warning])
He personally had no need for a server farm. But he did need a news source. People support the sanctions he feels because the don't know how bad they really are. , but a news source, some way of getting the word out to the public, an Indymedia or a Cryptome. Something to inform the world of what is happening. That alone can make all the difference by motivating others to make changes or even volunteer their time.
I'd suggest looking at one of those sites or starting another if you prefer.
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Re:Josh not Jack
Unfortunately I believe this isn't the case, and Josh Kirby passed away in his sleep on 23/10/2001.
You might like to check out announcement on lspace and an obituary in a paper
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another link about this story
The Independent has an article on the subject.
Funny, I was just reading that story just when it appeared on slashdot.
excerpts :
In rare cases, the sting provokes an allergic reaction that can kill. In the southern United States, infested since the 1930s, 84 people have died.
The ants represent a threat to Australia's outdoors way of life. Activities such as camping and barbecues are out of the question in affected areas; even sitting in the back garden with a book can be a painful experience. In some American states, schools, parks and sports fields have had to be closed.
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Some Alternative News Regarding The Recent EventsWho Rules America
Why we oppose the war in Afghanistan
U.S. Military Drafted Plans to Terrorize U.S. Cities to Provoke War With Cuba
Is bin Laden a terrorist mastermind -- or a fall guy?
An Elevator Ride Down the Twin Towers of Inferno
The wickedness and awesome cruelty of a crushed and humiliated people
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Meanwhile, UK plans to halve trial by juryAs part of a wider report into the future of the UK justice system published on Monday, Lord Justice Auld recommends removing the right of trial by jury in 50% of current cases.
The right to trial by jury would be abolished in all instances where the sentence was likely to be less than two years. This would include most prosecutions under sec. 296 of the Copyrights Designs and Patents Act (the UK's DMCA), as well as serious reputation-destroying charges such as theft, assault and drug offences, where defendants can at the moment insist on jury trials. To prevent "perverse" decisions, Auld also recommends that judges should be allowed to ask juries specific menus of questions about the facts of the case instead of innocent-or-guilty verdicts, reserving the final decision for the judge themself.
In a democratic system, the last ditch defence against a really bad law is that a jury can refuse to convict, in spite of the evidence, if they think that the prosecution is unfair or unreasonable. Cases thrown out by UK juries against the evidence in recent years include vandalism charges against GM crop protesters, official secrets charges against civil service whistleblowers and shoplifting charges against confused elderly people. Juries have also tended to be more critical of police evidence than judges and court officials; and to have had more relaxed views in obscenity and pornography cases.
Specific comment: Independent, Guardian
General reports: BBC, Times, Telegraph, Guardian, Independent
(submitted to /. yro yesterday; rejected).And remember, as this week's NTK points out, bad UK law is often just version 0.1 for bad law in the US.
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Meanwhile, UK plans to halve trial by juryAs part of a wider report into the future of the UK justice system published on Monday, Lord Justice Auld recommends removing the right of trial by jury in 50% of current cases.
The right to trial by jury would be abolished in all instances where the sentence was likely to be less than two years. This would include most prosecutions under sec. 296 of the Copyrights Designs and Patents Act (the UK's DMCA), as well as serious reputation-destroying charges such as theft, assault and drug offences, where defendants can at the moment insist on jury trials. To prevent "perverse" decisions, Auld also recommends that judges should be allowed to ask juries specific menus of questions about the facts of the case instead of innocent-or-guilty verdicts, reserving the final decision for the judge themself.
In a democratic system, the last ditch defence against a really bad law is that a jury can refuse to convict, in spite of the evidence, if they think that the prosecution is unfair or unreasonable. Cases thrown out by UK juries against the evidence in recent years include vandalism charges against GM crop protesters, official secrets charges against civil service whistleblowers and shoplifting charges against confused elderly people. Juries have also tended to be more critical of police evidence than judges and court officials; and to have had more relaxed views in obscenity and pornography cases.
Specific comment: Independent, Guardian
General reports: BBC, Times, Telegraph, Guardian, Independent
(submitted to /. yro yesterday; rejected).And remember, as this week's NTK points out, bad UK law is often just version 0.1 for bad law in the US.
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Something to think about? (OT)
Indications are that 600,000 people were left homeless, with 348,000 houses destroyed and an additional 844,000 damaged.[...] Government estimates place direct economic losses at $1.3 billion. Other estimates indicate losses may be as high as $5 billion.
If you want to talk about perspective, we have whole areas of India struck by this earthquake, 348k houses damaged, and it costed them almost 5 billion.
On New York, according to this story: "Attacks expected to cost New York at least £40bn", 2 buildings are destroyed and the cost rises at least eightfold.
Nothing to do with the Ig Noble Awards, I know, but it makes you think about the economical difference between both countries.
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What for?
It is amazing how people are talking about how to storm Afghanstan. No one even mentions the facts that Bin Laden and his group are SUSPECTS. There has been no single evidence that they have commited that horrendous act.. and yet every one forgots that as they talk about how to wage a war. They have forgotten "why". They are forgotting now "is it the right target?"
I am not going into some long rhetoric. Just read the facts below.. and tell me why no one made an issue of them yet?
Of the 19 people listed bhy FBI as those responsible for the hijacking, some are alife. They were not even in the US.. yet we still hear about this list and no one makes an issue. Read below..
Of those 19:
* Amir Bukhary: He died more than a year ago!
* Abdulaziz Al Omari: He is alive and was not even in the US at the time of the bombing.
* Saeed Al Ghamdi: He was in Tunisia at the time of the incident. Sorry, the link I have is in Arabic.
* Ziad Jarrah: This is a playboy. Furthest thing from a Muslim, let alone a fundamentalist. and might have been just a passenger.
* This is not offically confirmed yet, but Abdullah Al Shahri's father said that his son is alife and was not in the US (according to AFP news.)
* In the media reports, several of the guys in that list of 19 were reportedly seen drunk in public pubs a few days prior to the hijacking. Is this the behaviour of a respectable Muslim.. let alone one who supposedly wants to "martyr" himself!!
It seems most of these guys were just victims who happened to be Arabs. The FBI jumped on this chance to point the blame at Bin Laden and his group. Either because they could not find the actual people behind this crime or because they did find them but thought that this was a golden chance to get Bin Laden once and for all while the world stands behind them.
What is more, read this news item regarding a taped phone conversation between a flight attendant one board on of the planes that hit WTC and a colleague. particularly, pay attention to what she said in regards to that the seat numbers for the actual hijackers do not match with the seat number of the suspected hijackers.
Why is everybody still convinced that it was Arabs/Muslims who hijacked the planes. Why does the US government want to invade Afghanstan despite this very shady allegation and the very reasonable request by the Afghans that they be shown a proof that Bin Laden was responsible?
Something very fishy is being cooked. The Afghans, and probably even Bin Laden seem to be victims here as much as those people who died in the WTC and the other tragedies.
The ability of the American populace to find the actual truth and to find (and revenge against) the acual perpetuators of this crime are dying out with the media propaganda being waged now. Guys, do you want to kil innocent people and send your countrymen to Afghanstan to probably die trying to kill those innocent people?
You claim you have freedom of speech. I respect that, yet, with the media machine running full speed and glossing over the facts in favor of the "official line". Can't you stop for a moment (at least in respect for those who died in the tragedies) and ask: Are you revenging against the right people?
One more thing. I read unconfirmed reports that more than 4000 Israelis/Jews who work in the WTC did not report to work at the day of the attack. Can any one confirm? -
What for?
It is amazing how people are talking about how to storm Afghanstan. No one even mentions the facts that Bin Laden and his group are SUSPECTS. There has been no single evidence that they have commited that horrendous act.. and yet every one forgots that as they talk about how to wage a war. They have forgotten "why". They are forgotting now "is it the right target?"
I am not going into some long rhetoric. Just read the facts below.. and tell me why no one made an issue of them yet?
Of the 19 people listed bhy FBI as those responsible for the hijacking, some are alife. They were not even in the US.. yet we still hear about this list and no one makes an issue. Read below..
Of those 19:
* Amir Bukhary: He died more than a year ago!
* Abdulaziz Al Omari: He is alive and was not even in the US at the time of the bombing.
* Saeed Al Ghamdi: He was in Tunisia at the time of the incident. Sorry, the link I have is in Arabic.
* Ziad Jarrah: This is a playboy. Furthest thing from a Muslim, let alone a fundamentalist. and might have been just a passenger.
* This is not offically confirmed yet, but Abdullah Al Shahri's father said that his son is alife and was not in the US (according to AFP news.)
* In the media reports, several of the guys in that list of 19 were reportedly seen drunk in public pubs a few days prior to the hijacking. Is this the behaviour of a respectable Muslim.. let alone one who supposedly wants to "martyr" himself!!
It seems most of these guys were just victims who happened to be Arabs. The FBI jumped on this chance to point the blame at Bin Laden and his group. Either because they could not find the actual people behind this crime or because they did find them but thought that this was a golden chance to get Bin Laden once and for all while the world stands behind them.
What is more, read this news item regarding a taped phone conversation between a flight attendant one board on of the planes that hit WTC and a colleague. particularly, pay attention to what she said in regards to that the seat numbers for the actual hijackers do not match with the seat number of the suspected hijackers.
Why is everybody still convinced that it was Arabs/Muslims who hijacked the planes. Why does the US government want to invade Afghanstan despite this very shady allegation and the very reasonable request by the Afghans that they be shown a proof that Bin Laden was responsible?
Something very fishy is being cooked. The Afghans, and probably even Bin Laden seem to be victims here as much as those people who died in the WTC and the other tragedies.
The ability of the American populace to find the actual truth and to find (and revenge against) the acual perpetuators of this crime are dying out with the media propaganda being waged now. Guys, do you want to kil innocent people and send your countrymen to Afghanstan to probably die trying to kill those innocent people?
You claim you have freedom of speech. I respect that, yet, with the media machine running full speed and glossing over the facts in favor of the "official line". Can't you stop for a moment (at least in respect for those who died in the tragedies) and ask: Are you revenging against the right people?
One more thing. I read unconfirmed reports that more than 4000 Israelis/Jews who work in the WTC did not report to work at the day of the attack. Can any one confirm? -
Re:I Definitely AgreeEspecially considering that there are more than 10 million land mines there. Ten per cent of all the land mines in the world. Enough to cause as many civilian casualties every year as the number of deaths caused by the WTC and Pentagon crashes.
Read this and ask yourself if we have enough EOD people to do the job before the turn of the next century.
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Re:Comment about Poster CommentThere's an interesting article from the Independent, a British newspaper, on conditions in Afghanistan that no amount of military prowess will change. Basically, anyone we send over there has a good chance of stepping on a mine.
It's interesting that you bring up Desert Storm as if it had nothing to do with the WTC tragedy. We may have the best soldiers, the best weapons, and the smartist scientists on our side. But how does continuing the foreign policy that made people hate Americans so much prevent this from happening in the future? I am shocked that people seem so ready to give up civil liberties yet are unwilling to consider a drastic change in foreign policy. The nations of the Middle East have seen through our "divide and conquer" policy agenda. It has to change. It's not about "good" vs. "evil", it's more like our interests vs. anyone else's.
So we can blither blather on about Navy SEALS, M-1 tanks, Delta Force, etc., but the fact is none of that shit will change the way other countries feel about us. Then again, that's not something I would expect a bunch of nerds with no friends to understand. So I guess you guys should get to work on Cave Sonar Linux or something.
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First the gays and feminists and now this ...
... how many other people were behind this ?
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Sorry, I guess I shouldn't be facetious about this, but people who blame Zimmerman are sickos every bit as out to lunch as Jerry Fallwell and Pat Robertson. Is there time yet to try to get some perspective rather than blindly mindlessly lashing out? Think about the guys who trained them how to fly - they have much more reason to feel bad. But are likely reasonable enough to know *they* did not kill those people and are not *guilty of anything*. They and Zimmerman are MUCH LESS responsible for this than the people who seem to think it is their job to spread *MAYHEM* in the middle east [The Independent] - and a sizeable number of those people are American politicians, security experts and cabinet secretaries. It is they who will dig the US deeper into doodoo while idiotic people run about blaming Philip Zimmerman.
Dear Phil, in comparison you have *nothing* to feel guilty about. Please instead feel proud and thank you.
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Called 'New Kind of War' to Protect Insurance Comp
There has been a rush by the Bush Administration to call it a 'new kind of war' for a nunber of reasons, but a primary one is to bail out those heavy campaign donors known as the insurance industry. These companies are going to get hammered in this instance unless the events of Sept 11 can be legally termed "war". The fact that this is plainly a terrorist act is problematic for the insurance lobby. Examine just about every insurance policy you've got and you'll notice your insurer gets a free ride if you're fucked over by "force maejure" (act of God - pretty tough for the Bushies to call it that), insurrection (in which case the government isn't necessarily in their pocket and can't invent a reason for them not to pay) or war (bingo). More here
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Re:I'm ashamed to say it, but I agree with RMS
I'll second that emotion.
It would be particularly unsettling if the same government that is now demanding sweeping domestic spying capabilities also ignored good evidence that a major terrorist attack was coming via the airlines to American soil, wouldn't it? It might be enough to make you wonder just what they want the increased surveillance powers for if they intentionally ignore the critical intelligence they're already getting from sigint and allied spy networks.
Did administration officials receive advance knowledge of attacks with frightening indifference ?
Did administration officials smother a friendly, timely warning with shocking obtuse ness
Did adminstration officials shitcan a timely bipartisan report on America's vulnerabilty to airborne terror because it did not suit their political agenda of pressing for utterly irrelevant Buck Rogers style intercontinental missile defense?
These people simply do not deserve to be trusted with broader powers. Take your pick of reasons to distrust them, they're all equally valid, probably. We should be considering instead how to limit the further damage they can do of granting them a permanent, legislated hold on what should be only "National State of Emergency" wartime powers to be granted in the last resort in a fight against a dangerous foe like Nazi Germany/ Kaisarean Germany before that or the Confederacy even earlier. -
History 101in 1982 up to 4000 civilian refugees were massacred by lebanese militia at the sabra and chatila refugee camps in lebanon. they died just as horrible deaths as the people at wtc, pentagon, etc. basically, the israeli army sealed off the camps and then let the militia in to kill everybody.
for an account of the massacre in the independent nespaper (u.k.), see: http://www.independent.co.uk/story.jsp?story=5487
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according to an israeli government commission of inquiry (the kahan commission):
The Commission determined that the massacre at Sabra and Shatilla was carried out by a Phalangist unit, acting on its own but its entry was known to Israel
... the Commission asserted that ... Mr. Sharon was found responsible for ignoring the danger of bloodshed and revenge when he approved the entry of the Phalangists into the camps as well as not taking appropriate measures to prevent bloodshed.
the report is archived at the jewish virtual library at us-israel.org http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/History/kahan.ht
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pretty much on the anniversary of the massacre, sharon, protected by by israeli soldiers, visited a shrine in jerusalem contested by arabs and jews.
now sharon is prime minister of israel.
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Re:view from the UKNORAID is an organisation that claims to be a non-profit organisation to support families affected by the troubles in Northern Ireland/Ulster/North-East Ireland/Whatever-the-PC-name-is.
A search or two indicates that they have strong links with the Irish Republican Army (IRA) which is regarded as a terrorist group within the mainland UK.
Whether the IRA are terrorists or freedom fighters is a question for the individual. What is not beyond question is that large numbers of their members have (and still do) advocate violence against property and individuals.
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Re:Economic IdeaThere are a few pieces of evidence implicating the US government, or individuals within the US government.
- On September 11, someone allegedly threatened the president with codes indicating inside knowledge of the president's whereabouts. If this story true, it means there is a traitor somewhere at a high level in the administration. If it's false, it means that the government is deliberately leaking false information, in an attempt not to make the president look bad.
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There is some evidence that there were warnings of the attack:
Security heightened at WTC, Bin Laden warnings, State Dept. advisory
Echelon warnings
Israeli intelligence
San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown
A crazed Iranian in Germany
A US army base in New Jersey - Circumstantial evidence of the US training terrorists.
So why is it unreasonable to speculate about the US government?
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Re:Economic IdeaThere are a few pieces of evidence implicating the US government, or individuals within the US government.
- On September 11, someone allegedly threatened the president with codes indicating inside knowledge of the president's whereabouts. If this story true, it means there is a traitor somewhere at a high level in the administration. If it's false, it means that the government is deliberately leaking false information, in an attempt not to make the president look bad.
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There is some evidence that there were warnings of the attack:
Security heightened at WTC, Bin Laden warnings, State Dept. advisory
Echelon warnings
Israeli intelligence
San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown
A crazed Iranian in Germany
A US army base in New Jersey - Circumstantial evidence of the US training terrorists.
So why is it unreasonable to speculate about the US government?
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Re:Latest from Sky news
lots of photos here on a rare, still-working site
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Re:Depleted uraniumI spent another five minutes searching and found some better links, including the Robert Fisk cover story I referred to in the parent post.
- Google Directory has an entire section on the topic.
- BBC story: "Alarm grows over cancer deaths"
- BBC: Depleted uranium 'threatens Balkan cancer epidemic': A British scientist says the Americans' use of depleted uranium weapons in the war with Serbia is likely to cause 10,000 extra deaths from cancer.
- The Yugoslav President, Vojislav Kostunica, announced yesterday that he would meet the chief prosecutor of the UN war crimes tribunal next week to discuss Nato's use of depleted uranium shells as a war crime against civilians. Note to the clue-impaired: Kostunica is the POST-Milosevic leader who was lead the rebellion against his regime.
- Robert Fisk: In another Bosnian town two small boys lie in their hospital beds. Is this collateral damage? (Note: Robert Fisk is an EXTREMELY respected war correspondent with over twenty years' experience.)
- Euro MPs defy Nato and seek ban on DU: The European Parliament called for a suspension of the use of depleted uranium (DU) munitions yesterday, rejecting safety assurances from Nato and heightening pressure for a formal moratorium.
- Belgrade Law Centre DU archive
- Eighth Italian soldier dies in DU scare
- Are the governments of Nato guilty of committing a heinous war crime?
- 'Mr Blair, Mr Clinton, Lord Robertson and the rest don't want to know about the dying Serbs of Bosnia'
- Nato calls for DU medical inquiry in all 19 alliance countries
- Ministers of White Noise vie for title of most vacuous public servant
- A Labour MP warned the Government yesterday of his fears over the risks to service personnel who have been exposed to depleted uranium. Note: Labour is the party of government; this MP just blew his entire career by making this statement.
- NATO could face a criminal investigation into the use by its forces of depleted uranium ammunition, the chief prosecutor of the UN war crimes tribunal said yesterday.
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Where the streets are littered with DU shells
The snow clings to the burnt rafters of the old military factory at Hadjici and slithers off the fir trees that survived Nato's 1995 bombing. - Sick, bleeding and losing nails: the girl who played with Nato uranium: Sladjana Sarenac remembers the pieces of a depleted-uranium bomb that she picked up outside her home in Sarajevo.
- The Surgeon-General's office of the US army warned almost eight years ago that military personnel exposed to dust from depleted uranium ammunition risk developing lung and bone cancer.
- I see 300 graves that could bear the headstone: 'Died of depleted uranium'Robert Fisk in Bratunac, Eastern Bosnia
- Guardian special report
The thing that makes me really sad is how certain most of the replies to my original post were that I was trolling, or talking shit. Your first instincts were: "It's our army, and we're the GOODIES for heaven's sake! This guy MUST be talking thru' his arse." It seems that's the only way for you to resolve the cognitive dissonance. The NATO armies are mostly composed of the citizens of those countries. Where do you think the expression "cannon fodder" comes from?
I wonder whether an apology is too much to ask for?
I can't remember the last time I got this angry after reading something on Slashdot. I'm trying not to resort to name-calling because I want to believe that some of you are intelligent and open-minded enough to admit that you were, at the very least, gullible to parrot the official line pedalled by the (US) mass media. We all know how committed THEY are to truth and justice, right? Oh, so long as it doesn't conflict with government wishes. Which means corporate interests.
Right, I'm done ranting now. If that hasn't got me a Special Branch file, I want my taxes back
;) -
Re:Depleted uraniumI spent another five minutes searching and found some better links, including the Robert Fisk cover story I referred to in the parent post.
- Google Directory has an entire section on the topic.
- BBC story: "Alarm grows over cancer deaths"
- BBC: Depleted uranium 'threatens Balkan cancer epidemic': A British scientist says the Americans' use of depleted uranium weapons in the war with Serbia is likely to cause 10,000 extra deaths from cancer.
- The Yugoslav President, Vojislav Kostunica, announced yesterday that he would meet the chief prosecutor of the UN war crimes tribunal next week to discuss Nato's use of depleted uranium shells as a war crime against civilians. Note to the clue-impaired: Kostunica is the POST-Milosevic leader who was lead the rebellion against his regime.
- Robert Fisk: In another Bosnian town two small boys lie in their hospital beds. Is this collateral damage? (Note: Robert Fisk is an EXTREMELY respected war correspondent with over twenty years' experience.)
- Euro MPs defy Nato and seek ban on DU: The European Parliament called for a suspension of the use of depleted uranium (DU) munitions yesterday, rejecting safety assurances from Nato and heightening pressure for a formal moratorium.
- Belgrade Law Centre DU archive
- Eighth Italian soldier dies in DU scare
- Are the governments of Nato guilty of committing a heinous war crime?
- 'Mr Blair, Mr Clinton, Lord Robertson and the rest don't want to know about the dying Serbs of Bosnia'
- Nato calls for DU medical inquiry in all 19 alliance countries
- Ministers of White Noise vie for title of most vacuous public servant
- A Labour MP warned the Government yesterday of his fears over the risks to service personnel who have been exposed to depleted uranium. Note: Labour is the party of government; this MP just blew his entire career by making this statement.
- NATO could face a criminal investigation into the use by its forces of depleted uranium ammunition, the chief prosecutor of the UN war crimes tribunal said yesterday.
-
Where the streets are littered with DU shells
The snow clings to the burnt rafters of the old military factory at Hadjici and slithers off the fir trees that survived Nato's 1995 bombing. - Sick, bleeding and losing nails: the girl who played with Nato uranium: Sladjana Sarenac remembers the pieces of a depleted-uranium bomb that she picked up outside her home in Sarajevo.
- The Surgeon-General's office of the US army warned almost eight years ago that military personnel exposed to dust from depleted uranium ammunition risk developing lung and bone cancer.
- I see 300 graves that could bear the headstone: 'Died of depleted uranium'Robert Fisk in Bratunac, Eastern Bosnia
- Guardian special report
The thing that makes me really sad is how certain most of the replies to my original post were that I was trolling, or talking shit. Your first instincts were: "It's our army, and we're the GOODIES for heaven's sake! This guy MUST be talking thru' his arse." It seems that's the only way for you to resolve the cognitive dissonance. The NATO armies are mostly composed of the citizens of those countries. Where do you think the expression "cannon fodder" comes from?
I wonder whether an apology is too much to ask for?
I can't remember the last time I got this angry after reading something on Slashdot. I'm trying not to resort to name-calling because I want to believe that some of you are intelligent and open-minded enough to admit that you were, at the very least, gullible to parrot the official line pedalled by the (US) mass media. We all know how committed THEY are to truth and justice, right? Oh, so long as it doesn't conflict with government wishes. Which means corporate interests.
Right, I'm done ranting now. If that hasn't got me a Special Branch file, I want my taxes back
;) -
Re:Depleted uraniumI spent another five minutes searching and found some better links, including the Robert Fisk cover story I referred to in the parent post.
- Google Directory has an entire section on the topic.
- BBC story: "Alarm grows over cancer deaths"
- BBC: Depleted uranium 'threatens Balkan cancer epidemic': A British scientist says the Americans' use of depleted uranium weapons in the war with Serbia is likely to cause 10,000 extra deaths from cancer.
- The Yugoslav President, Vojislav Kostunica, announced yesterday that he would meet the chief prosecutor of the UN war crimes tribunal next week to discuss Nato's use of depleted uranium shells as a war crime against civilians. Note to the clue-impaired: Kostunica is the POST-Milosevic leader who was lead the rebellion against his regime.
- Robert Fisk: In another Bosnian town two small boys lie in their hospital beds. Is this collateral damage? (Note: Robert Fisk is an EXTREMELY respected war correspondent with over twenty years' experience.)
- Euro MPs defy Nato and seek ban on DU: The European Parliament called for a suspension of the use of depleted uranium (DU) munitions yesterday, rejecting safety assurances from Nato and heightening pressure for a formal moratorium.
- Belgrade Law Centre DU archive
- Eighth Italian soldier dies in DU scare
- Are the governments of Nato guilty of committing a heinous war crime?
- 'Mr Blair, Mr Clinton, Lord Robertson and the rest don't want to know about the dying Serbs of Bosnia'
- Nato calls for DU medical inquiry in all 19 alliance countries
- Ministers of White Noise vie for title of most vacuous public servant
- A Labour MP warned the Government yesterday of his fears over the risks to service personnel who have been exposed to depleted uranium. Note: Labour is the party of government; this MP just blew his entire career by making this statement.
- NATO could face a criminal investigation into the use by its forces of depleted uranium ammunition, the chief prosecutor of the UN war crimes tribunal said yesterday.
-
Where the streets are littered with DU shells
The snow clings to the burnt rafters of the old military factory at Hadjici and slithers off the fir trees that survived Nato's 1995 bombing. - Sick, bleeding and losing nails: the girl who played with Nato uranium: Sladjana Sarenac remembers the pieces of a depleted-uranium bomb that she picked up outside her home in Sarajevo.
- The Surgeon-General's office of the US army warned almost eight years ago that military personnel exposed to dust from depleted uranium ammunition risk developing lung and bone cancer.
- I see 300 graves that could bear the headstone: 'Died of depleted uranium'Robert Fisk in Bratunac, Eastern Bosnia
- Guardian special report
The thing that makes me really sad is how certain most of the replies to my original post were that I was trolling, or talking shit. Your first instincts were: "It's our army, and we're the GOODIES for heaven's sake! This guy MUST be talking thru' his arse." It seems that's the only way for you to resolve the cognitive dissonance. The NATO armies are mostly composed of the citizens of those countries. Where do you think the expression "cannon fodder" comes from?
I wonder whether an apology is too much to ask for?
I can't remember the last time I got this angry after reading something on Slashdot. I'm trying not to resort to name-calling because I want to believe that some of you are intelligent and open-minded enough to admit that you were, at the very least, gullible to parrot the official line pedalled by the (US) mass media. We all know how committed THEY are to truth and justice, right? Oh, so long as it doesn't conflict with government wishes. Which means corporate interests.
Right, I'm done ranting now. If that hasn't got me a Special Branch file, I want my taxes back
;) -
Re:Depleted uraniumI spent another five minutes searching and found some better links, including the Robert Fisk cover story I referred to in the parent post.
- Google Directory has an entire section on the topic.
- BBC story: "Alarm grows over cancer deaths"
- BBC: Depleted uranium 'threatens Balkan cancer epidemic': A British scientist says the Americans' use of depleted uranium weapons in the war with Serbia is likely to cause 10,000 extra deaths from cancer.
- The Yugoslav President, Vojislav Kostunica, announced yesterday that he would meet the chief prosecutor of the UN war crimes tribunal next week to discuss Nato's use of depleted uranium shells as a war crime against civilians. Note to the clue-impaired: Kostunica is the POST-Milosevic leader who was lead the rebellion against his regime.
- Robert Fisk: In another Bosnian town two small boys lie in their hospital beds. Is this collateral damage? (Note: Robert Fisk is an EXTREMELY respected war correspondent with over twenty years' experience.)
- Euro MPs defy Nato and seek ban on DU: The European Parliament called for a suspension of the use of depleted uranium (DU) munitions yesterday, rejecting safety assurances from Nato and heightening pressure for a formal moratorium.
- Belgrade Law Centre DU archive
- Eighth Italian soldier dies in DU scare
- Are the governments of Nato guilty of committing a heinous war crime?
- 'Mr Blair, Mr Clinton, Lord Robertson and the rest don't want to know about the dying Serbs of Bosnia'
- Nato calls for DU medical inquiry in all 19 alliance countries
- Ministers of White Noise vie for title of most vacuous public servant
- A Labour MP warned the Government yesterday of his fears over the risks to service personnel who have been exposed to depleted uranium. Note: Labour is the party of government; this MP just blew his entire career by making this statement.
- NATO could face a criminal investigation into the use by its forces of depleted uranium ammunition, the chief prosecutor of the UN war crimes tribunal said yesterday.
-
Where the streets are littered with DU shells
The snow clings to the burnt rafters of the old military factory at Hadjici and slithers off the fir trees that survived Nato's 1995 bombing. - Sick, bleeding and losing nails: the girl who played with Nato uranium: Sladjana Sarenac remembers the pieces of a depleted-uranium bomb that she picked up outside her home in Sarajevo.
- The Surgeon-General's office of the US army warned almost eight years ago that military personnel exposed to dust from depleted uranium ammunition risk developing lung and bone cancer.
- I see 300 graves that could bear the headstone: 'Died of depleted uranium'Robert Fisk in Bratunac, Eastern Bosnia
- Guardian special report
The thing that makes me really sad is how certain most of the replies to my original post were that I was trolling, or talking shit. Your first instincts were: "It's our army, and we're the GOODIES for heaven's sake! This guy MUST be talking thru' his arse." It seems that's the only way for you to resolve the cognitive dissonance. The NATO armies are mostly composed of the citizens of those countries. Where do you think the expression "cannon fodder" comes from?
I wonder whether an apology is too much to ask for?
I can't remember the last time I got this angry after reading something on Slashdot. I'm trying not to resort to name-calling because I want to believe that some of you are intelligent and open-minded enough to admit that you were, at the very least, gullible to parrot the official line pedalled by the (US) mass media. We all know how committed THEY are to truth and justice, right? Oh, so long as it doesn't conflict with government wishes. Which means corporate interests.
Right, I'm done ranting now. If that hasn't got me a Special Branch file, I want my taxes back
;) -
Re:Depleted uraniumI spent another five minutes searching and found some better links, including the Robert Fisk cover story I referred to in the parent post.
- Google Directory has an entire section on the topic.
- BBC story: "Alarm grows over cancer deaths"
- BBC: Depleted uranium 'threatens Balkan cancer epidemic': A British scientist says the Americans' use of depleted uranium weapons in the war with Serbia is likely to cause 10,000 extra deaths from cancer.
- The Yugoslav President, Vojislav Kostunica, announced yesterday that he would meet the chief prosecutor of the UN war crimes tribunal next week to discuss Nato's use of depleted uranium shells as a war crime against civilians. Note to the clue-impaired: Kostunica is the POST-Milosevic leader who was lead the rebellion against his regime.
- Robert Fisk: In another Bosnian town two small boys lie in their hospital beds. Is this collateral damage? (Note: Robert Fisk is an EXTREMELY respected war correspondent with over twenty years' experience.)
- Euro MPs defy Nato and seek ban on DU: The European Parliament called for a suspension of the use of depleted uranium (DU) munitions yesterday, rejecting safety assurances from Nato and heightening pressure for a formal moratorium.
- Belgrade Law Centre DU archive
- Eighth Italian soldier dies in DU scare
- Are the governments of Nato guilty of committing a heinous war crime?
- 'Mr Blair, Mr Clinton, Lord Robertson and the rest don't want to know about the dying Serbs of Bosnia'
- Nato calls for DU medical inquiry in all 19 alliance countries
- Ministers of White Noise vie for title of most vacuous public servant
- A Labour MP warned the Government yesterday of his fears over the risks to service personnel who have been exposed to depleted uranium. Note: Labour is the party of government; this MP just blew his entire career by making this statement.
- NATO could face a criminal investigation into the use by its forces of depleted uranium ammunition, the chief prosecutor of the UN war crimes tribunal said yesterday.
-
Where the streets are littered with DU shells
The snow clings to the burnt rafters of the old military factory at Hadjici and slithers off the fir trees that survived Nato's 1995 bombing. - Sick, bleeding and losing nails: the girl who played with Nato uranium: Sladjana Sarenac remembers the pieces of a depleted-uranium bomb that she picked up outside her home in Sarajevo.
- The Surgeon-General's office of the US army warned almost eight years ago that military personnel exposed to dust from depleted uranium ammunition risk developing lung and bone cancer.
- I see 300 graves that could bear the headstone: 'Died of depleted uranium'Robert Fisk in Bratunac, Eastern Bosnia
- Guardian special report
The thing that makes me really sad is how certain most of the replies to my original post were that I was trolling, or talking shit. Your first instincts were: "It's our army, and we're the GOODIES for heaven's sake! This guy MUST be talking thru' his arse." It seems that's the only way for you to resolve the cognitive dissonance. The NATO armies are mostly composed of the citizens of those countries. Where do you think the expression "cannon fodder" comes from?
I wonder whether an apology is too much to ask for?
I can't remember the last time I got this angry after reading something on Slashdot. I'm trying not to resort to name-calling because I want to believe that some of you are intelligent and open-minded enough to admit that you were, at the very least, gullible to parrot the official line pedalled by the (US) mass media. We all know how committed THEY are to truth and justice, right? Oh, so long as it doesn't conflict with government wishes. Which means corporate interests.
Right, I'm done ranting now. If that hasn't got me a Special Branch file, I want my taxes back
;) -
Re:Depleted uraniumI spent another five minutes searching and found some better links, including the Robert Fisk cover story I referred to in the parent post.
- Google Directory has an entire section on the topic.
- BBC story: "Alarm grows over cancer deaths"
- BBC: Depleted uranium 'threatens Balkan cancer epidemic': A British scientist says the Americans' use of depleted uranium weapons in the war with Serbia is likely to cause 10,000 extra deaths from cancer.
- The Yugoslav President, Vojislav Kostunica, announced yesterday that he would meet the chief prosecutor of the UN war crimes tribunal next week to discuss Nato's use of depleted uranium shells as a war crime against civilians. Note to the clue-impaired: Kostunica is the POST-Milosevic leader who was lead the rebellion against his regime.
- Robert Fisk: In another Bosnian town two small boys lie in their hospital beds. Is this collateral damage? (Note: Robert Fisk is an EXTREMELY respected war correspondent with over twenty years' experience.)
- Euro MPs defy Nato and seek ban on DU: The European Parliament called for a suspension of the use of depleted uranium (DU) munitions yesterday, rejecting safety assurances from Nato and heightening pressure for a formal moratorium.
- Belgrade Law Centre DU archive
- Eighth Italian soldier dies in DU scare
- Are the governments of Nato guilty of committing a heinous war crime?
- 'Mr Blair, Mr Clinton, Lord Robertson and the rest don't want to know about the dying Serbs of Bosnia'
- Nato calls for DU medical inquiry in all 19 alliance countries
- Ministers of White Noise vie for title of most vacuous public servant
- A Labour MP warned the Government yesterday of his fears over the risks to service personnel who have been exposed to depleted uranium. Note: Labour is the party of government; this MP just blew his entire career by making this statement.
- NATO could face a criminal investigation into the use by its forces of depleted uranium ammunition, the chief prosecutor of the UN war crimes tribunal said yesterday.
-
Where the streets are littered with DU shells
The snow clings to the burnt rafters of the old military factory at Hadjici and slithers off the fir trees that survived Nato's 1995 bombing. - Sick, bleeding and losing nails: the girl who played with Nato uranium: Sladjana Sarenac remembers the pieces of a depleted-uranium bomb that she picked up outside her home in Sarajevo.
- The Surgeon-General's office of the US army warned almost eight years ago that military personnel exposed to dust from depleted uranium ammunition risk developing lung and bone cancer.
- I see 300 graves that could bear the headstone: 'Died of depleted uranium'Robert Fisk in Bratunac, Eastern Bosnia
- Guardian special report
The thing that makes me really sad is how certain most of the replies to my original post were that I was trolling, or talking shit. Your first instincts were: "It's our army, and we're the GOODIES for heaven's sake! This guy MUST be talking thru' his arse." It seems that's the only way for you to resolve the cognitive dissonance. The NATO armies are mostly composed of the citizens of those countries. Where do you think the expression "cannon fodder" comes from?
I wonder whether an apology is too much to ask for?
I can't remember the last time I got this angry after reading something on Slashdot. I'm trying not to resort to name-calling because I want to believe that some of you are intelligent and open-minded enough to admit that you were, at the very least, gullible to parrot the official line pedalled by the (US) mass media. We all know how committed THEY are to truth and justice, right? Oh, so long as it doesn't conflict with government wishes. Which means corporate interests.
Right, I'm done ranting now. If that hasn't got me a Special Branch file, I want my taxes back
;) -
Re:Depleted uraniumI spent another five minutes searching and found some better links, including the Robert Fisk cover story I referred to in the parent post.
- Google Directory has an entire section on the topic.
- BBC story: "Alarm grows over cancer deaths"
- BBC: Depleted uranium 'threatens Balkan cancer epidemic': A British scientist says the Americans' use of depleted uranium weapons in the war with Serbia is likely to cause 10,000 extra deaths from cancer.
- The Yugoslav President, Vojislav Kostunica, announced yesterday that he would meet the chief prosecutor of the UN war crimes tribunal next week to discuss Nato's use of depleted uranium shells as a war crime against civilians. Note to the clue-impaired: Kostunica is the POST-Milosevic leader who was lead the rebellion against his regime.
- Robert Fisk: In another Bosnian town two small boys lie in their hospital beds. Is this collateral damage? (Note: Robert Fisk is an EXTREMELY respected war correspondent with over twenty years' experience.)
- Euro MPs defy Nato and seek ban on DU: The European Parliament called for a suspension of the use of depleted uranium (DU) munitions yesterday, rejecting safety assurances from Nato and heightening pressure for a formal moratorium.
- Belgrade Law Centre DU archive
- Eighth Italian soldier dies in DU scare
- Are the governments of Nato guilty of committing a heinous war crime?
- 'Mr Blair, Mr Clinton, Lord Robertson and the rest don't want to know about the dying Serbs of Bosnia'
- Nato calls for DU medical inquiry in all 19 alliance countries
- Ministers of White Noise vie for title of most vacuous public servant
- A Labour MP warned the Government yesterday of his fears over the risks to service personnel who have been exposed to depleted uranium. Note: Labour is the party of government; this MP just blew his entire career by making this statement.
- NATO could face a criminal investigation into the use by its forces of depleted uranium ammunition, the chief prosecutor of the UN war crimes tribunal said yesterday.
-
Where the streets are littered with DU shells
The snow clings to the burnt rafters of the old military factory at Hadjici and slithers off the fir trees that survived Nato's 1995 bombing. - Sick, bleeding and losing nails: the girl who played with Nato uranium: Sladjana Sarenac remembers the pieces of a depleted-uranium bomb that she picked up outside her home in Sarajevo.
- The Surgeon-General's office of the US army warned almost eight years ago that military personnel exposed to dust from depleted uranium ammunition risk developing lung and bone cancer.
- I see 300 graves that could bear the headstone: 'Died of depleted uranium'Robert Fisk in Bratunac, Eastern Bosnia
- Guardian special report
The thing that makes me really sad is how certain most of the replies to my original post were that I was trolling, or talking shit. Your first instincts were: "It's our army, and we're the GOODIES for heaven's sake! This guy MUST be talking thru' his arse." It seems that's the only way for you to resolve the cognitive dissonance. The NATO armies are mostly composed of the citizens of those countries. Where do you think the expression "cannon fodder" comes from?
I wonder whether an apology is too much to ask for?
I can't remember the last time I got this angry after reading something on Slashdot. I'm trying not to resort to name-calling because I want to believe that some of you are intelligent and open-minded enough to admit that you were, at the very least, gullible to parrot the official line pedalled by the (US) mass media. We all know how committed THEY are to truth and justice, right? Oh, so long as it doesn't conflict with government wishes. Which means corporate interests.
Right, I'm done ranting now. If that hasn't got me a Special Branch file, I want my taxes back
;) -
Re:Depleted uraniumI spent another five minutes searching and found some better links, including the Robert Fisk cover story I referred to in the parent post.
- Google Directory has an entire section on the topic.
- BBC story: "Alarm grows over cancer deaths"
- BBC: Depleted uranium 'threatens Balkan cancer epidemic': A British scientist says the Americans' use of depleted uranium weapons in the war with Serbia is likely to cause 10,000 extra deaths from cancer.
- The Yugoslav President, Vojislav Kostunica, announced yesterday that he would meet the chief prosecutor of the UN war crimes tribunal next week to discuss Nato's use of depleted uranium shells as a war crime against civilians. Note to the clue-impaired: Kostunica is the POST-Milosevic leader who was lead the rebellion against his regime.
- Robert Fisk: In another Bosnian town two small boys lie in their hospital beds. Is this collateral damage? (Note: Robert Fisk is an EXTREMELY respected war correspondent with over twenty years' experience.)
- Euro MPs defy Nato and seek ban on DU: The European Parliament called for a suspension of the use of depleted uranium (DU) munitions yesterday, rejecting safety assurances from Nato and heightening pressure for a formal moratorium.
- Belgrade Law Centre DU archive
- Eighth Italian soldier dies in DU scare
- Are the governments of Nato guilty of committing a heinous war crime?
- 'Mr Blair, Mr Clinton, Lord Robertson and the rest don't want to know about the dying Serbs of Bosnia'
- Nato calls for DU medical inquiry in all 19 alliance countries
- Ministers of White Noise vie for title of most vacuous public servant
- A Labour MP warned the Government yesterday of his fears over the risks to service personnel who have been exposed to depleted uranium. Note: Labour is the party of government; this MP just blew his entire career by making this statement.
- NATO could face a criminal investigation into the use by its forces of depleted uranium ammunition, the chief prosecutor of the UN war crimes tribunal said yesterday.
-
Where the streets are littered with DU shells
The snow clings to the burnt rafters of the old military factory at Hadjici and slithers off the fir trees that survived Nato's 1995 bombing. - Sick, bleeding and losing nails: the girl who played with Nato uranium: Sladjana Sarenac remembers the pieces of a depleted-uranium bomb that she picked up outside her home in Sarajevo.
- The Surgeon-General's office of the US army warned almost eight years ago that military personnel exposed to dust from depleted uranium ammunition risk developing lung and bone cancer.
- I see 300 graves that could bear the headstone: 'Died of depleted uranium'Robert Fisk in Bratunac, Eastern Bosnia
- Guardian special report
The thing that makes me really sad is how certain most of the replies to my original post were that I was trolling, or talking shit. Your first instincts were: "It's our army, and we're the GOODIES for heaven's sake! This guy MUST be talking thru' his arse." It seems that's the only way for you to resolve the cognitive dissonance. The NATO armies are mostly composed of the citizens of those countries. Where do you think the expression "cannon fodder" comes from?
I wonder whether an apology is too much to ask for?
I can't remember the last time I got this angry after reading something on Slashdot. I'm trying not to resort to name-calling because I want to believe that some of you are intelligent and open-minded enough to admit that you were, at the very least, gullible to parrot the official line pedalled by the (US) mass media. We all know how committed THEY are to truth and justice, right? Oh, so long as it doesn't conflict with government wishes. Which means corporate interests.
Right, I'm done ranting now. If that hasn't got me a Special Branch file, I want my taxes back
;) -
Re:Depleted uraniumI spent another five minutes searching and found some better links, including the Robert Fisk cover story I referred to in the parent post.
- Google Directory has an entire section on the topic.
- BBC story: "Alarm grows over cancer deaths"
- BBC: Depleted uranium 'threatens Balkan cancer epidemic': A British scientist says the Americans' use of depleted uranium weapons in the war with Serbia is likely to cause 10,000 extra deaths from cancer.
- The Yugoslav President, Vojislav Kostunica, announced yesterday that he would meet the chief prosecutor of the UN war crimes tribunal next week to discuss Nato's use of depleted uranium shells as a war crime against civilians. Note to the clue-impaired: Kostunica is the POST-Milosevic leader who was lead the rebellion against his regime.
- Robert Fisk: In another Bosnian town two small boys lie in their hospital beds. Is this collateral damage? (Note: Robert Fisk is an EXTREMELY respected war correspondent with over twenty years' experience.)
- Euro MPs defy Nato and seek ban on DU: The European Parliament called for a suspension of the use of depleted uranium (DU) munitions yesterday, rejecting safety assurances from Nato and heightening pressure for a formal moratorium.
- Belgrade Law Centre DU archive
- Eighth Italian soldier dies in DU scare
- Are the governments of Nato guilty of committing a heinous war crime?
- 'Mr Blair, Mr Clinton, Lord Robertson and the rest don't want to know about the dying Serbs of Bosnia'
- Nato calls for DU medical inquiry in all 19 alliance countries
- Ministers of White Noise vie for title of most vacuous public servant
- A Labour MP warned the Government yesterday of his fears over the risks to service personnel who have been exposed to depleted uranium. Note: Labour is the party of government; this MP just blew his entire career by making this statement.
- NATO could face a criminal investigation into the use by its forces of depleted uranium ammunition, the chief prosecutor of the UN war crimes tribunal said yesterday.
-
Where the streets are littered with DU shells
The snow clings to the burnt rafters of the old military factory at Hadjici and slithers off the fir trees that survived Nato's 1995 bombing. - Sick, bleeding and losing nails: the girl who played with Nato uranium: Sladjana Sarenac remembers the pieces of a depleted-uranium bomb that she picked up outside her home in Sarajevo.
- The Surgeon-General's office of the US army warned almost eight years ago that military personnel exposed to dust from depleted uranium ammunition risk developing lung and bone cancer.
- I see 300 graves that could bear the headstone: 'Died of depleted uranium'Robert Fisk in Bratunac, Eastern Bosnia
- Guardian special report
The thing that makes me really sad is how certain most of the replies to my original post were that I was trolling, or talking shit. Your first instincts were: "It's our army, and we're the GOODIES for heaven's sake! This guy MUST be talking thru' his arse." It seems that's the only way for you to resolve the cognitive dissonance. The NATO armies are mostly composed of the citizens of those countries. Where do you think the expression "cannon fodder" comes from?
I wonder whether an apology is too much to ask for?
I can't remember the last time I got this angry after reading something on Slashdot. I'm trying not to resort to name-calling because I want to believe that some of you are intelligent and open-minded enough to admit that you were, at the very least, gullible to parrot the official line pedalled by the (US) mass media. We all know how committed THEY are to truth and justice, right? Oh, so long as it doesn't conflict with government wishes. Which means corporate interests.
Right, I'm done ranting now. If that hasn't got me a Special Branch file, I want my taxes back
;) -
Re:Depleted uraniumI spent another five minutes searching and found some better links, including the Robert Fisk cover story I referred to in the parent post.
- Google Directory has an entire section on the topic.
- BBC story: "Alarm grows over cancer deaths"
- BBC: Depleted uranium 'threatens Balkan cancer epidemic': A British scientist says the Americans' use of depleted uranium weapons in the war with Serbia is likely to cause 10,000 extra deaths from cancer.
- The Yugoslav President, Vojislav Kostunica, announced yesterday that he would meet the chief prosecutor of the UN war crimes tribunal next week to discuss Nato's use of depleted uranium shells as a war crime against civilians. Note to the clue-impaired: Kostunica is the POST-Milosevic leader who was lead the rebellion against his regime.
- Robert Fisk: In another Bosnian town two small boys lie in their hospital beds. Is this collateral damage? (Note: Robert Fisk is an EXTREMELY respected war correspondent with over twenty years' experience.)
- Euro MPs defy Nato and seek ban on DU: The European Parliament called for a suspension of the use of depleted uranium (DU) munitions yesterday, rejecting safety assurances from Nato and heightening pressure for a formal moratorium.
- Belgrade Law Centre DU archive
- Eighth Italian soldier dies in DU scare
- Are the governments of Nato guilty of committing a heinous war crime?
- 'Mr Blair, Mr Clinton, Lord Robertson and the rest don't want to know about the dying Serbs of Bosnia'
- Nato calls for DU medical inquiry in all 19 alliance countries
- Ministers of White Noise vie for title of most vacuous public servant
- A Labour MP warned the Government yesterday of his fears over the risks to service personnel who have been exposed to depleted uranium. Note: Labour is the party of government; this MP just blew his entire career by making this statement.
- NATO could face a criminal investigation into the use by its forces of depleted uranium ammunition, the chief prosecutor of the UN war crimes tribunal said yesterday.
-
Where the streets are littered with DU shells
The snow clings to the burnt rafters of the old military factory at Hadjici and slithers off the fir trees that survived Nato's 1995 bombing. - Sick, bleeding and losing nails: the girl who played with Nato uranium: Sladjana Sarenac remembers the pieces of a depleted-uranium bomb that she picked up outside her home in Sarajevo.
- The Surgeon-General's office of the US army warned almost eight years ago that military personnel exposed to dust from depleted uranium ammunition risk developing lung and bone cancer.
- I see 300 graves that could bear the headstone: 'Died of depleted uranium'Robert Fisk in Bratunac, Eastern Bosnia
- Guardian special report
The thing that makes me really sad is how certain most of the replies to my original post were that I was trolling, or talking shit. Your first instincts were: "It's our army, and we're the GOODIES for heaven's sake! This guy MUST be talking thru' his arse." It seems that's the only way for you to resolve the cognitive dissonance. The NATO armies are mostly composed of the citizens of those countries. Where do you think the expression "cannon fodder" comes from?
I wonder whether an apology is too much to ask for?
I can't remember the last time I got this angry after reading something on Slashdot. I'm trying not to resort to name-calling because I want to believe that some of you are intelligent and open-minded enough to admit that you were, at the very least, gullible to parrot the official line pedalled by the (US) mass media. We all know how committed THEY are to truth and justice, right? Oh, so long as it doesn't conflict with government wishes. Which means corporate interests.
Right, I'm done ranting now. If that hasn't got me a Special Branch file, I want my taxes back
;) -
Re:Depleted uraniumI spent another five minutes searching and found some better links, including the Robert Fisk cover story I referred to in the parent post.
- Google Directory has an entire section on the topic.
- BBC story: "Alarm grows over cancer deaths"
- BBC: Depleted uranium 'threatens Balkan cancer epidemic': A British scientist says the Americans' use of depleted uranium weapons in the war with Serbia is likely to cause 10,000 extra deaths from cancer.
- The Yugoslav President, Vojislav Kostunica, announced yesterday that he would meet the chief prosecutor of the UN war crimes tribunal next week to discuss Nato's use of depleted uranium shells as a war crime against civilians. Note to the clue-impaired: Kostunica is the POST-Milosevic leader who was lead the rebellion against his regime.
- Robert Fisk: In another Bosnian town two small boys lie in their hospital beds. Is this collateral damage? (Note: Robert Fisk is an EXTREMELY respected war correspondent with over twenty years' experience.)
- Euro MPs defy Nato and seek ban on DU: The European Parliament called for a suspension of the use of depleted uranium (DU) munitions yesterday, rejecting safety assurances from Nato and heightening pressure for a formal moratorium.
- Belgrade Law Centre DU archive
- Eighth Italian soldier dies in DU scare
- Are the governments of Nato guilty of committing a heinous war crime?
- 'Mr Blair, Mr Clinton, Lord Robertson and the rest don't want to know about the dying Serbs of Bosnia'
- Nato calls for DU medical inquiry in all 19 alliance countries
- Ministers of White Noise vie for title of most vacuous public servant
- A Labour MP warned the Government yesterday of his fears over the risks to service personnel who have been exposed to depleted uranium. Note: Labour is the party of government; this MP just blew his entire career by making this statement.
- NATO could face a criminal investigation into the use by its forces of depleted uranium ammunition, the chief prosecutor of the UN war crimes tribunal said yesterday.
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Where the streets are littered with DU shells
The snow clings to the burnt rafters of the old military factory at Hadjici and slithers off the fir trees that survived Nato's 1995 bombing. - Sick, bleeding and losing nails: the girl who played with Nato uranium: Sladjana Sarenac remembers the pieces of a depleted-uranium bomb that she picked up outside her home in Sarajevo.
- The Surgeon-General's office of the US army warned almost eight years ago that military personnel exposed to dust from depleted uranium ammunition risk developing lung and bone cancer.
- I see 300 graves that could bear the headstone: 'Died of depleted uranium'Robert Fisk in Bratunac, Eastern Bosnia
- Guardian special report
The thing that makes me really sad is how certain most of the replies to my original post were that I was trolling, or talking shit. Your first instincts were: "It's our army, and we're the GOODIES for heaven's sake! This guy MUST be talking thru' his arse." It seems that's the only way for you to resolve the cognitive dissonance. The NATO armies are mostly composed of the citizens of those countries. Where do you think the expression "cannon fodder" comes from?
I wonder whether an apology is too much to ask for?
I can't remember the last time I got this angry after reading something on Slashdot. I'm trying not to resort to name-calling because I want to believe that some of you are intelligent and open-minded enough to admit that you were, at the very least, gullible to parrot the official line pedalled by the (US) mass media. We all know how committed THEY are to truth and justice, right? Oh, so long as it doesn't conflict with government wishes. Which means corporate interests.
Right, I'm done ranting now. If that hasn't got me a Special Branch file, I want my taxes back
;) -
Re:Depleted uraniumI spent another five minutes searching and found some better links, including the Robert Fisk cover story I referred to in the parent post.
- Google Directory has an entire section on the topic.
- BBC story: "Alarm grows over cancer deaths"
- BBC: Depleted uranium 'threatens Balkan cancer epidemic': A British scientist says the Americans' use of depleted uranium weapons in the war with Serbia is likely to cause 10,000 extra deaths from cancer.
- The Yugoslav President, Vojislav Kostunica, announced yesterday that he would meet the chief prosecutor of the UN war crimes tribunal next week to discuss Nato's use of depleted uranium shells as a war crime against civilians. Note to the clue-impaired: Kostunica is the POST-Milosevic leader who was lead the rebellion against his regime.
- Robert Fisk: In another Bosnian town two small boys lie in their hospital beds. Is this collateral damage? (Note: Robert Fisk is an EXTREMELY respected war correspondent with over twenty years' experience.)
- Euro MPs defy Nato and seek ban on DU: The European Parliament called for a suspension of the use of depleted uranium (DU) munitions yesterday, rejecting safety assurances from Nato and heightening pressure for a formal moratorium.
- Belgrade Law Centre DU archive
- Eighth Italian soldier dies in DU scare
- Are the governments of Nato guilty of committing a heinous war crime?
- 'Mr Blair, Mr Clinton, Lord Robertson and the rest don't want to know about the dying Serbs of Bosnia'
- Nato calls for DU medical inquiry in all 19 alliance countries
- Ministers of White Noise vie for title of most vacuous public servant
- A Labour MP warned the Government yesterday of his fears over the risks to service personnel who have been exposed to depleted uranium. Note: Labour is the party of government; this MP just blew his entire career by making this statement.
- NATO could face a criminal investigation into the use by its forces of depleted uranium ammunition, the chief prosecutor of the UN war crimes tribunal said yesterday.
-
Where the streets are littered with DU shells
The snow clings to the burnt rafters of the old military factory at Hadjici and slithers off the fir trees that survived Nato's 1995 bombing. - Sick, bleeding and losing nails: the girl who played with Nato uranium: Sladjana Sarenac remembers the pieces of a depleted-uranium bomb that she picked up outside her home in Sarajevo.
- The Surgeon-General's office of the US army warned almost eight years ago that military personnel exposed to dust from depleted uranium ammunition risk developing lung and bone cancer.
- I see 300 graves that could bear the headstone: 'Died of depleted uranium'Robert Fisk in Bratunac, Eastern Bosnia
- Guardian special report
The thing that makes me really sad is how certain most of the replies to my original post were that I was trolling, or talking shit. Your first instincts were: "It's our army, and we're the GOODIES for heaven's sake! This guy MUST be talking thru' his arse." It seems that's the only way for you to resolve the cognitive dissonance. The NATO armies are mostly composed of the citizens of those countries. Where do you think the expression "cannon fodder" comes from?
I wonder whether an apology is too much to ask for?
I can't remember the last time I got this angry after reading something on Slashdot. I'm trying not to resort to name-calling because I want to believe that some of you are intelligent and open-minded enough to admit that you were, at the very least, gullible to parrot the official line pedalled by the (US) mass media. We all know how committed THEY are to truth and justice, right? Oh, so long as it doesn't conflict with government wishes. Which means corporate interests.
Right, I'm done ranting now. If that hasn't got me a Special Branch file, I want my taxes back
;) -
Re:Depleted uraniumI spent another five minutes searching and found some better links, including the Robert Fisk cover story I referred to in the parent post.
- Google Directory has an entire section on the topic.
- BBC story: "Alarm grows over cancer deaths"
- BBC: Depleted uranium 'threatens Balkan cancer epidemic': A British scientist says the Americans' use of depleted uranium weapons in the war with Serbia is likely to cause 10,000 extra deaths from cancer.
- The Yugoslav President, Vojislav Kostunica, announced yesterday that he would meet the chief prosecutor of the UN war crimes tribunal next week to discuss Nato's use of depleted uranium shells as a war crime against civilians. Note to the clue-impaired: Kostunica is the POST-Milosevic leader who was lead the rebellion against his regime.
- Robert Fisk: In another Bosnian town two small boys lie in their hospital beds. Is this collateral damage? (Note: Robert Fisk is an EXTREMELY respected war correspondent with over twenty years' experience.)
- Euro MPs defy Nato and seek ban on DU: The European Parliament called for a suspension of the use of depleted uranium (DU) munitions yesterday, rejecting safety assurances from Nato and heightening pressure for a formal moratorium.
- Belgrade Law Centre DU archive
- Eighth Italian soldier dies in DU scare
- Are the governments of Nato guilty of committing a heinous war crime?
- 'Mr Blair, Mr Clinton, Lord Robertson and the rest don't want to know about the dying Serbs of Bosnia'
- Nato calls for DU medical inquiry in all 19 alliance countries
- Ministers of White Noise vie for title of most vacuous public servant
- A Labour MP warned the Government yesterday of his fears over the risks to service personnel who have been exposed to depleted uranium. Note: Labour is the party of government; this MP just blew his entire career by making this statement.
- NATO could face a criminal investigation into the use by its forces of depleted uranium ammunition, the chief prosecutor of the UN war crimes tribunal said yesterday.
-
Where the streets are littered with DU shells
The snow clings to the burnt rafters of the old military factory at Hadjici and slithers off the fir trees that survived Nato's 1995 bombing. - Sick, bleeding and losing nails: the girl who played with Nato uranium: Sladjana Sarenac remembers the pieces of a depleted-uranium bomb that she picked up outside her home in Sarajevo.
- The Surgeon-General's office of the US army warned almost eight years ago that military personnel exposed to dust from depleted uranium ammunition risk developing lung and bone cancer.
- I see 300 graves that could bear the headstone: 'Died of depleted uranium'Robert Fisk in Bratunac, Eastern Bosnia
- Guardian special report
The thing that makes me really sad is how certain most of the replies to my original post were that I was trolling, or talking shit. Your first instincts were: "It's our army, and we're the GOODIES for heaven's sake! This guy MUST be talking thru' his arse." It seems that's the only way for you to resolve the cognitive dissonance. The NATO armies are mostly composed of the citizens of those countries. Where do you think the expression "cannon fodder" comes from?
I wonder whether an apology is too much to ask for?
I can't remember the last time I got this angry after reading something on Slashdot. I'm trying not to resort to name-calling because I want to believe that some of you are intelligent and open-minded enough to admit that you were, at the very least, gullible to parrot the official line pedalled by the (US) mass media. We all know how committed THEY are to truth and justice, right? Oh, so long as it doesn't conflict with government wishes. Which means corporate interests.
Right, I'm done ranting now. If that hasn't got me a Special Branch file, I want my taxes back
;) -
Re:Depleted uraniumI spent another five minutes searching and found some better links, including the Robert Fisk cover story I referred to in the parent post.
- Google Directory has an entire section on the topic.
- BBC story: "Alarm grows over cancer deaths"
- BBC: Depleted uranium 'threatens Balkan cancer epidemic': A British scientist says the Americans' use of depleted uranium weapons in the war with Serbia is likely to cause 10,000 extra deaths from cancer.
- The Yugoslav President, Vojislav Kostunica, announced yesterday that he would meet the chief prosecutor of the UN war crimes tribunal next week to discuss Nato's use of depleted uranium shells as a war crime against civilians. Note to the clue-impaired: Kostunica is the POST-Milosevic leader who was lead the rebellion against his regime.
- Robert Fisk: In another Bosnian town two small boys lie in their hospital beds. Is this collateral damage? (Note: Robert Fisk is an EXTREMELY respected war correspondent with over twenty years' experience.)
- Euro MPs defy Nato and seek ban on DU: The European Parliament called for a suspension of the use of depleted uranium (DU) munitions yesterday, rejecting safety assurances from Nato and heightening pressure for a formal moratorium.
- Belgrade Law Centre DU archive
- Eighth Italian soldier dies in DU scare
- Are the governments of Nato guilty of committing a heinous war crime?
- 'Mr Blair, Mr Clinton, Lord Robertson and the rest don't want to know about the dying Serbs of Bosnia'
- Nato calls for DU medical inquiry in all 19 alliance countries
- Ministers of White Noise vie for title of most vacuous public servant
- A Labour MP warned the Government yesterday of his fears over the risks to service personnel who have been exposed to depleted uranium. Note: Labour is the party of government; this MP just blew his entire career by making this statement.
- NATO could face a criminal investigation into the use by its forces of depleted uranium ammunition, the chief prosecutor of the UN war crimes tribunal said yesterday.
-
Where the streets are littered with DU shells
The snow clings to the burnt rafters of the old military factory at Hadjici and slithers off the fir trees that survived Nato's 1995 bombing. - Sick, bleeding and losing nails: the girl who played with Nato uranium: Sladjana Sarenac remembers the pieces of a depleted-uranium bomb that she picked up outside her home in Sarajevo.
- The Surgeon-General's office of the US army warned almost eight years ago that military personnel exposed to dust from depleted uranium ammunition risk developing lung and bone cancer.
- I see 300 graves that could bear the headstone: 'Died of depleted uranium'Robert Fisk in Bratunac, Eastern Bosnia
- Guardian special report
The thing that makes me really sad is how certain most of the replies to my original post were that I was trolling, or talking shit. Your first instincts were: "It's our army, and we're the GOODIES for heaven's sake! This guy MUST be talking thru' his arse." It seems that's the only way for you to resolve the cognitive dissonance. The NATO armies are mostly composed of the citizens of those countries. Where do you think the expression "cannon fodder" comes from?
I wonder whether an apology is too much to ask for?
I can't remember the last time I got this angry after reading something on Slashdot. I'm trying not to resort to name-calling because I want to believe that some of you are intelligent and open-minded enough to admit that you were, at the very least, gullible to parrot the official line pedalled by the (US) mass media. We all know how committed THEY are to truth and justice, right? Oh, so long as it doesn't conflict with government wishes. Which means corporate interests.
Right, I'm done ranting now. If that hasn't got me a Special Branch file, I want my taxes back
;) -
Re:Depleted uraniumOh, you sad, sad bunch of brainwashed merkins.
Some links (I went to the Independent and Guardian newspaper sites first because one of them - the Gruaniad I think - ran a massive front page lead feature on "the cover-up and scandal of the Kosovan war". We in the UK have been "lucky" enough to have found out about a whole string of Govt. coverups in the last few years, from BSE/CJD, foot & mouth, arms to Iraq (which only broke thanks to Ollie North being a moron)... we tend to be a bit sceptical when they assure us that there's nothing to worry about and everything's under control.
- Bosnians fall victim to Nato's deadly legacy. This is a medical horror story.
- Scientists find plutonium in Nato shells fired in Kosovo
- Halt use of Uranium weapons (editorial)
- Nato brings out big guns to kill off cancer scare: "Nato yesterday launched a massive damage limitation exercise it hopes will defuse growing concern that its use of armour-piercing depleted uranium-tipped shells in Kosovo may be the cause of unexplained cases of cancer among its troops."
- British, Australian and New Zealand servicemen may have been exposed to depleted uranium, which has been blamed for higher cancer rates in Gulf War veterans, during British nuclear tests in Australia and the Pacific in the 1950s
- Water in Kosovo could be poisoned with depleted uranium, says UN
- The Ministry of Defence faced fierce criticism yesterday after it renewed test-firing of depleted uranium shells
- Minister admits troops were not told of DU risk
- The story Nato's newspaper does not want to tell
- At last, ministers take depleted uranium seriously
These are all from UK quality broadsheet newspapers.
Full disclosure: my girlfriend is Serbian; however she (and I) have no sympathy for, and place less than zero credibility in, anything coming from the Milosevic regime (indeed, she was teargassed by them in '91 & forced into exile.) The people mostly dying of cancer, apart from the NATO PBI (poor bloody infantry), are mostly Kosovan civilians.
It might come as a shock, folks, but YOUR GOVERNMENT IS LYING TO YOU. Why is this so hard to grasp when it happens in an area unconnected with IP, computers or the Internet? '"Here's American Gladiators. Here's 500 channels of this shit. Go back to sleep America, your government is in control." And oh the light of the TVs glow through millions of American windows... ' (Bill Hicks.)
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Re:Depleted uraniumOh, you sad, sad bunch of brainwashed merkins.
Some links (I went to the Independent and Guardian newspaper sites first because one of them - the Gruaniad I think - ran a massive front page lead feature on "the cover-up and scandal of the Kosovan war". We in the UK have been "lucky" enough to have found out about a whole string of Govt. coverups in the last few years, from BSE/CJD, foot & mouth, arms to Iraq (which only broke thanks to Ollie North being a moron)... we tend to be a bit sceptical when they assure us that there's nothing to worry about and everything's under control.
- Bosnians fall victim to Nato's deadly legacy. This is a medical horror story.
- Scientists find plutonium in Nato shells fired in Kosovo
- Halt use of Uranium weapons (editorial)
- Nato brings out big guns to kill off cancer scare: "Nato yesterday launched a massive damage limitation exercise it hopes will defuse growing concern that its use of armour-piercing depleted uranium-tipped shells in Kosovo may be the cause of unexplained cases of cancer among its troops."
- British, Australian and New Zealand servicemen may have been exposed to depleted uranium, which has been blamed for higher cancer rates in Gulf War veterans, during British nuclear tests in Australia and the Pacific in the 1950s
- Water in Kosovo could be poisoned with depleted uranium, says UN
- The Ministry of Defence faced fierce criticism yesterday after it renewed test-firing of depleted uranium shells
- Minister admits troops were not told of DU risk
- The story Nato's newspaper does not want to tell
- At last, ministers take depleted uranium seriously
These are all from UK quality broadsheet newspapers.
Full disclosure: my girlfriend is Serbian; however she (and I) have no sympathy for, and place less than zero credibility in, anything coming from the Milosevic regime (indeed, she was teargassed by them in '91 & forced into exile.) The people mostly dying of cancer, apart from the NATO PBI (poor bloody infantry), are mostly Kosovan civilians.
It might come as a shock, folks, but YOUR GOVERNMENT IS LYING TO YOU. Why is this so hard to grasp when it happens in an area unconnected with IP, computers or the Internet? '"Here's American Gladiators. Here's 500 channels of this shit. Go back to sleep America, your government is in control." And oh the light of the TVs glow through millions of American windows... ' (Bill Hicks.)
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Re:Depleted uraniumOh, you sad, sad bunch of brainwashed merkins.
Some links (I went to the Independent and Guardian newspaper sites first because one of them - the Gruaniad I think - ran a massive front page lead feature on "the cover-up and scandal of the Kosovan war". We in the UK have been "lucky" enough to have found out about a whole string of Govt. coverups in the last few years, from BSE/CJD, foot & mouth, arms to Iraq (which only broke thanks to Ollie North being a moron)... we tend to be a bit sceptical when they assure us that there's nothing to worry about and everything's under control.
- Bosnians fall victim to Nato's deadly legacy. This is a medical horror story.
- Scientists find plutonium in Nato shells fired in Kosovo
- Halt use of Uranium weapons (editorial)
- Nato brings out big guns to kill off cancer scare: "Nato yesterday launched a massive damage limitation exercise it hopes will defuse growing concern that its use of armour-piercing depleted uranium-tipped shells in Kosovo may be the cause of unexplained cases of cancer among its troops."
- British, Australian and New Zealand servicemen may have been exposed to depleted uranium, which has been blamed for higher cancer rates in Gulf War veterans, during British nuclear tests in Australia and the Pacific in the 1950s
- Water in Kosovo could be poisoned with depleted uranium, says UN
- The Ministry of Defence faced fierce criticism yesterday after it renewed test-firing of depleted uranium shells
- Minister admits troops were not told of DU risk
- The story Nato's newspaper does not want to tell
- At last, ministers take depleted uranium seriously
These are all from UK quality broadsheet newspapers.
Full disclosure: my girlfriend is Serbian; however she (and I) have no sympathy for, and place less than zero credibility in, anything coming from the Milosevic regime (indeed, she was teargassed by them in '91 & forced into exile.) The people mostly dying of cancer, apart from the NATO PBI (poor bloody infantry), are mostly Kosovan civilians.
It might come as a shock, folks, but YOUR GOVERNMENT IS LYING TO YOU. Why is this so hard to grasp when it happens in an area unconnected with IP, computers or the Internet? '"Here's American Gladiators. Here's 500 channels of this shit. Go back to sleep America, your government is in control." And oh the light of the TVs glow through millions of American windows... ' (Bill Hicks.)
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Re:Depleted uraniumOh, you sad, sad bunch of brainwashed merkins.
Some links (I went to the Independent and Guardian newspaper sites first because one of them - the Gruaniad I think - ran a massive front page lead feature on "the cover-up and scandal of the Kosovan war". We in the UK have been "lucky" enough to have found out about a whole string of Govt. coverups in the last few years, from BSE/CJD, foot & mouth, arms to Iraq (which only broke thanks to Ollie North being a moron)... we tend to be a bit sceptical when they assure us that there's nothing to worry about and everything's under control.
- Bosnians fall victim to Nato's deadly legacy. This is a medical horror story.
- Scientists find plutonium in Nato shells fired in Kosovo
- Halt use of Uranium weapons (editorial)
- Nato brings out big guns to kill off cancer scare: "Nato yesterday launched a massive damage limitation exercise it hopes will defuse growing concern that its use of armour-piercing depleted uranium-tipped shells in Kosovo may be the cause of unexplained cases of cancer among its troops."
- British, Australian and New Zealand servicemen may have been exposed to depleted uranium, which has been blamed for higher cancer rates in Gulf War veterans, during British nuclear tests in Australia and the Pacific in the 1950s
- Water in Kosovo could be poisoned with depleted uranium, says UN
- The Ministry of Defence faced fierce criticism yesterday after it renewed test-firing of depleted uranium shells
- Minister admits troops were not told of DU risk
- The story Nato's newspaper does not want to tell
- At last, ministers take depleted uranium seriously
These are all from UK quality broadsheet newspapers.
Full disclosure: my girlfriend is Serbian; however she (and I) have no sympathy for, and place less than zero credibility in, anything coming from the Milosevic regime (indeed, she was teargassed by them in '91 & forced into exile.) The people mostly dying of cancer, apart from the NATO PBI (poor bloody infantry), are mostly Kosovan civilians.
It might come as a shock, folks, but YOUR GOVERNMENT IS LYING TO YOU. Why is this so hard to grasp when it happens in an area unconnected with IP, computers or the Internet? '"Here's American Gladiators. Here's 500 channels of this shit. Go back to sleep America, your government is in control." And oh the light of the TVs glow through millions of American windows... ' (Bill Hicks.)