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Re:ITT is definitely worthless...
So you recommend this information on their website -- https://www.itt-tech.edu/fa2.c... -- should be a part of the law suit?
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Discover Endless Possibilities
At ITT Technical Institute, we believe in the power of education.
By arming our students with the education they desire, they can graduate with the knowledge and skills they need to pursue opportunities in many of today's most promising career fields. ITT Technical Institute is providing an education that can open career doors and create a path to endless possibilities.
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Re:Google search
Do I see ITT Tech in there as a victim?
No, that's just part of their Information Systems and Cybersecurity degree program.
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Re:Forgiveness at no cost?
"But everyone seems to be missing the REALLY NASTY little problem nobody is talking about...the for profit 'colleges' like De Vry and Remington and ITT."
Again, this is mostly the student's fault. Yes, the recruiters lie, lie like car salesmen, but the students still decide to pay $25,000 to be a veterinary assistant that doesn't require any education at all.
True, the government should do something to stop some schools from claiming to offer a "bachelors" degree that is worthless because no other university recognizes the degree.
Education is like anything in life, you need to do your research. Would you buy a car without doing research on reliability, repair records, carfax, etc? Would you buy a house without hiring an inspector or researching the history? I found information that ITT degrees are worthless and vet assistants don't even need to go to college within a few minutes for a /. post, yet thousands of people attend ITT every year for worthless degrees and others pay $$$ to become vet assistants. Who's fault is that? Why didn't these people spend 5 minutes googling it? Who's fault is it that they're stupid? The school for taking advantage? The govt for giving loans to stupid people or allowing them to go to a worthless school?
On the other hand not all for-profit are bad. Sanford Brown offers an LPN program where you become a licensed practical nurse by the state after you graduate. LPNs do alright considering it's a ~1 year degree for ~$25,000. I personally have called around to local universities and asked if they would accept the Sanford Brown LPN to bridge to RN and was told yes, as long as you are a licensed practical nurse by the state you can bridge into a registered nurse (RN) degree. -
Re:Short answer: No
One BIG problem with the for-profits is that once you start with them, you're stuck. As ITT-Tech puts it:
It is unlikely that any credits earned at an ITT Technical Institute will be transferable to or accepted by any institution other than an ITT Technical Institute.
At least with even a community college, there's a good chance that many or most of your earned credits, especially at the 100 or 200 level, will transfer.
I have evaluated ITT-trained people for hiring at my workplace, and have seen their transcripts and asked them about what material was covered. I can understand why they won't transfer; there's really not much of a mapping. I'm actually hiring ONE person from there because he's better than their standards and could have done much better at UT Austin. His ITT transcript is swiss cheese compared to the standard EE coursework at UT; seriously, he's had a class on microcontrollers but not a class on fundamental digital circuit design. I guess they expected someone else to help him out on interfacing and FPGAs? How do you expect good controller programming when you haven't taught finite state machines?
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Re:Short answer: NoOne BIG problem with the for-profits is that once you start with them, you're stuck. As ITT-Tech puts it:
It is unlikely that any credits earned at an ITT Technical Institute will be transferable to or accepted by any institution other than an ITT Technical Institute.
At least with even a community college, there's a good chance that many or most of your earned credits, especially at the 100 or 200 level, will transfer.
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Re:Technical schools?
What, you've never heard of ITT Tech, Heald business school, or Western Career College? I'd say thats exactly what is meant by technical schools.
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Re:sure it is
http://www2.itt-tech.edu/onlineprograms/bs-cj.cfm says different (sorry if double posting) it did not show up first time and after a reload of the page.
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Re:sure it isIncorrect ITT does offer a B.Science in CJ
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Re:Once again, US schools trail behind...
CS isn't about teaching things people "care about". CS isn't a "Oracle DBA" degree, nor is it a "Linux Applications Technology" degree. Its a theory degree.
If you want to learn about Java, .NET, and other popular things, there are quite a few trade schools and cert prep classes that will do exactly that for you.
People who actually go into CS that are interested in the actual theory and have excellent grades have no problem landing themselves a job. Of course, these are the people who 1) studied, 2) retained knowledge, and 3) have the GPA to back it up. I go to a rather obscure state school in a dense metropolitan area. None of our CS grads have problems getting jobs. The job problem only seems to apply to people who have problems performing academically or whine about taking theory classes. -
University != Vocational Training
College CS programs are supposed to teach theory not how to use the most popular computing platforms.
I know this may sound rather arrogant and that most employers would probably prefer that you have "UNIX", "Advanced Java Programming", and "Software Engineering and Collaboration" on your transcript than "Automata", "Algorithims and Data Structures", and "Discrete Mathematics", but if you seriously are looking for real world experience, places like ITT Tech are designed to give it to you. There is no shame in getting this kind of education, but you are not a computer scientist for doing so.
A real computer scientist tinkers around with technology at home during his (or her)'s free time. Many campuses have "Linux Users Groups" or "Open Source Technology Users Groups" where students play with this stuff in their free time (and the profesors themselves get involved too). If you just want a piece of paper, thats all you're going to get. -
Re:TRY to transfer to a top school
I completely agree.
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Re:Bull-pucky.Can you please point out where in any founding document where there is a seperation of church and state the way you define it?
Can you please point out where the words "fair trial" appear in any founding document? Oh, you can't. Know why? Because it's not mentioned anywhere. Does that matter? Not a bit.
Correct there is no formal accountability in the big government sense, but they are responsible to the children and the parents.
So, let the market decide, then? The almighty dollar is once again the force from which all good will spring forth?
Not under NCLB. Good try.
Have you READ the NCLB? Title IX: Equity -- Prohibits discrimination on the basis of race, ethnicity, color, or national origin. Notice something missing? Religious preference and gender. Now, I don't know what public schools are like in your neck of the woods, but in every state I've ever lived in, Muslim children and Christian children are permitted to learn together. Boys and girls, too. But nice try.
how does this prevent children frpom going to another school?
It doesn't, provided another school is an available option. Oh right, the market will decide whether a non-religious school should exist in Salt Lake City. Right. Well, I guess those few families that are affected can just move.
Assuming that the schols is underfunded is a gross inaccuracy, I;ll let you in on a little math.
Amazing. You sound consevative, yet what you advocate is essentially a giant welfare program for private schools. Can you please explain why want to replace one central plan with another central plan?
How is this in line with any economic system? The number of schools is not fixed, and it can grow with demand.
Sure it can. Just like private universities. And look at how fair and equal they are. Oh, but that's different, right?
And none of this addresses the main solution vouchers aim to satisfy -- specifically, what about the students? Many see vouchers as a magical salve that will cure whatever ills are creating poor students, yet studies show that there are no achievement gains between children attending private schools under voucher programs versus staying in public schools.
"Based on three years of data from New York and Washington, D.C., and two years from Dayton, the authors find no evidence of an overall achievement difference between the public and the private schools either in the aggregate or for any of the individual cities. This finding that the private schools are no better at raising the performance of low-income students than are the public schools flies in the face of well-known claims made by pro-voucher researchers such as John Chubb and Terry Moe that the autonomy of private schools will make them more productive than the more bureaucratic private schools." -- Helen Ladd, Duke University
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Really!From the ITT Tech web site:
Information Technology's ("IT") progressive evolution, which is due to the advancement of computers and communication technology, continues to have a profound impact on our lives. The need is rising for technically competent individuals who can provide appropriate computer solutions. IT is an academic discipline that affects nearly every business and industry.
According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, computer and data processing services will add over 1.3 million jobs from 1996-2006, representing a 108 percent increase. These jobs will require employees with technical skills in areas such as multimedia, web design, programming and computer network systems. This increase in the number of these types of jobs is due primarily to technological advancements and the need for higher skilled workers. This is projected to be the fastest growing industry during this period.
The need for information technology workers in many industries has become apparent. An article in the September 22, 1998 issue of Occupations Outlook Quarterly magazine said opportunities abound in the field of information technology. The job market for computer-related skills is booming, and demand for computer professionals is projected to remain strong through the year 2006. According to the article, "A degree in computer science or a related technical field is perhaps the easiest ticket into the field."
Groups, such as the Information Technology Association of America ("ITAA") and the U.S. Department of Commerce's Office of Technology Policy, have issued reports that identify what they consider to be strong evidence of the Unites States' inability to keep up with the high demand for information technology workers. This "skills anemia" is a result of the technological success of today's economy. According to the January 19, 1998 edition of Computer Reseller News, "we have the ability to release new technology faster than we can build the skilled work force to implement and maintain the new products."
Firms need skilled computer professionals to maintain a competitive edge and cost-efficient operations. Yeah, right... -
AS in Computer Networking Science
ITT Tech has a pretty good Associate's program. It gives you a decent grounding in theory so you can get started in the industry quickly. I found it very difficult to get a job in the IT industry when I was 2/3's of the way toward's a BS in Computer Science. When I switched to ITT I was able to land an entry level IT job after the first quarter.
Education is very important, but a technical school like ITT allows you to really combine it with real world experience if you work hard and find the job. It's hard to work full time and go to school, but ultimately you'll be in a better place when your done. -
ITT-Tech or DeVryIt's sounds like the poster isn't really interested in an undergraduate degree. He wants to be a sysadmin. You don't need to go to a 4-year college to be a sysadmin, you can go to ITT Technical Institute or DeVry University and get an vocational degree in "Network Engineering" or something similar.
If he is interested in actually developing the technologies that these networks use (protocol design, transfer media, etc), then he should go to a 4-year college and major in Computer Science, Computer Engineering or Electrical Engineering. He won't be able to focus on networks right away (you have to learn the basics first), but by his junior year he'd be able to pick a focus.
But for "Network Engineering", DeVry or ITT will be quicker and cheaper.
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ITT Tech
You may also want to consider ITT Technical Institute. They have degrees in those fields and can also help you get certified.
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Teh bestest places
As I sit here fat, stinky, and unemployed...
I know the places to be are Devry University , the wonderful Collins College, and ITT Technical Institute.
Collins will even give you a laptop with your toliet paper! -
For profit instutituons
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Re:Function
"Me? Work with lasers?? Sounds complicated..."
sorry. sort of...it was the magic lasers that did it.