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So you recommend this information on their website -- https://www.itt-tech.edu/fa2.c... -- should be a part of the law suit?

At ITT Technical Institute, we believe in the power of education.

By arming our students with the education they desire, they can graduate with the knowledge and skills they need to pursue opportunities in many of today's most promising career fields. ITT Technical Institute is providing an education that can open career doors and create a path to endless possibilities.

Discover your path.

Do I see ITT Tech in there as a victim?

No, that's just part of their Information Systems and Cybersecurity degree program.

"But everyone seems to be missing the REALLY NASTY little problem nobody is talking about...the for profit 'colleges' like De Vry and Remington and ITT."

Again, this is mostly the student's fault. Yes, the recruiters lie, lie like car salesmen, but the students still decide to pay $25,000 to be a veterinary assistant that doesn't require any education at all.

True, the government should do something to stop some schools from claiming to offer a "bachelors" degree that is worthless because no other university recognizes the degree.

Education is like anything in life, you need to do your research. Would you buy a car without doing research on reliability, repair records, carfax, etc? Would you buy a house without hiring an inspector or researching the history? I found information that ITT degrees are worthless and vet assistants don't even need to go to college within a few minutes for a /. post, yet thousands of people attend ITT every year for worthless degrees and others pay $$$ to become vet assistants. Who's fault is that? Why didn't these people spend 5 minutes googling it? Who's fault is it that they're stupid? The school for taking advantage? The govt for giving loans to stupid people or allowing them to go to a worthless school?

On the other hand not all for-profit are bad. Sanford Brown offers an LPN program where you become a licensed practical nurse by the state after you graduate. LPNs do alright considering it's a ~1 year degree for ~$25,000. I personally have called around to local universities and asked if they would accept the Sanford Brown LPN to bridge to RN and was told yes, as long as you are a licensed practical nurse by the state you can bridge into a registered nurse (RN) degree.

One BIG problem with the for-profits is that once you start with them, you're stuck. As ITT-Tech puts it:

It is unlikely that any credits earned at an ITT Technical Institute will be transferable to or accepted by any institution other than an ITT Technical Institute.

At least with even a community college, there's a good chance that many or most of your earned credits, especially at the 100 or 200 level, will transfer.

I have evaluated ITT-trained people for hiring at my workplace, and have seen their transcripts and asked them about what material was covered. I can understand why they won't transfer; there's really not much of a mapping. I'm actually hiring ONE person from there because he's better than their standards and could have done much better at UT Austin. His ITT transcript is swiss cheese compared to the standard EE coursework at UT; seriously, he's had a class on microcontrollers but not a class on fundamental digital circuit design. I guess they expected someone else to help him out on interfacing and FPGAs? How do you expect good controller programming when you haven't taught finite state machines?

It is unlikely that any credits earned at an ITT Technical Institute will be transferable to or accepted by any institution other than an ITT Technical Institute.

At least with even a community college, there's a good chance that many or most of your earned credits, especially at the 100 or 200 level, will transfer.

What, you've never heard of ITT Tech, Heald business school, or Western Career College? I'd say thats exactly what is meant by technical schools.

http://www2.itt-tech.edu/onlineprograms/bs-cj.cfm says different (sorry if double posting) it did not show up first time and after a reload of the page.

citation: http://www2.itt-tech.edu/onlineprograms/bs-cj.cfm

CS isn't about teaching things people "care about". CS isn't a "Oracle DBA" degree, nor is it a "Linux Applications Technology" degree. Its a theory degree.

If you want to learn about Java, .NET, and other popular things, there are quite a few trade schools and cert prep classes that will do exactly that for you.

People who actually go into CS that are interested in the actual theory and have excellent grades have no problem landing themselves a job. Of course, these are the people who 1) studied, 2) retained knowledge, and 3) have the GPA to back it up. I go to a rather obscure state school in a dense metropolitan area. None of our CS grads have problems getting jobs. The job problem only seems to apply to people who have problems performing academically or whine about taking theory classes.

College CS programs are supposed to teach theory not how to use the most popular computing platforms.

I know this may sound rather arrogant and that most employers would probably prefer that you have "UNIX", "Advanced Java Programming", and "Software Engineering and Collaboration" on your transcript than "Automata", "Algorithims and Data Structures", and "Discrete Mathematics", but if you seriously are looking for real world experience, places like ITT Tech are designed to give it to you. There is no shame in getting this kind of education, but you are not a computer scientist for doing so.

A real computer scientist tinkers around with technology at home during his (or her)'s free time. Many campuses have "Linux Users Groups" or "Open Source Technology Users Groups" where students play with this stuff in their free time (and the profesors themselves get involved too). If you just want a piece of paper, thats all you're going to get.

I completely agree.

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"Based on three years of data from New York and Washington, D.C., and two years from Dayton, the authors find no evidence of an overall achievement difference between the public and the private schools either in the aggregate or for any of the individual cities. This finding that the private schools are no better at raising the performance of low-income students than are the public schools flies in the face of well-known claims made by pro-voucher researchers such as John Chubb and Terry Moe that the autonomy of private schools will make them more productive than the more bureaucratic private schools." -- Helen Ladd, Duke University

Information Technology's ("IT") progressive evolution, which is due to the advancement of computers and communication technology, continues to have a profound impact on our lives. The need is rising for technically competent individuals who can provide appropriate computer solutions. IT is an academic discipline that affects nearly every business and industry.

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, computer and data processing services will add over 1.3 million jobs from 1996-2006, representing a 108 percent increase. These jobs will require employees with technical skills in areas such as multimedia, web design, programming and computer network systems. This increase in the number of these types of jobs is due primarily to technological advancements and the need for higher skilled workers. This is projected to be the fastest growing industry during this period.

The need for information technology workers in many industries has become apparent. An article in the September 22, 1998 issue of Occupations Outlook Quarterly magazine said opportunities abound in the field of information technology. The job market for computer-related skills is booming, and demand for computer professionals is projected to remain strong through the year 2006. According to the article, "A degree in computer science or a related technical field is perhaps the easiest ticket into the field."

Groups, such as the Information Technology Association of America ("ITAA") and the U.S. Department of Commerce's Office of Technology Policy, have issued reports that identify what they consider to be strong evidence of the Unites States' inability to keep up with the high demand for information technology workers. This "skills anemia" is a result of the technological success of today's economy. According to the January 19, 1998 edition of Computer Reseller News, "we have the ability to release new technology faster than we can build the skilled work force to implement and maintain the new products."

Firms need skilled computer professionals to maintain a competitive edge and cost-efficient operations. Yeah, right...

ITT Tech has a pretty good Associate's program. It gives you a decent grounding in theory so you can get started in the industry quickly. I found it very difficult to get a job in the IT industry when I was 2/3's of the way toward's a BS in Computer Science. When I switched to ITT I was able to land an entry level IT job after the first quarter.

Education is very important, but a technical school like ITT allows you to really combine it with real world experience if you work hard and find the job. It's hard to work full time and go to school, but ultimately you'll be in a better place when your done.

If he is interested in actually developing the technologies that these networks use (protocol design, transfer media, etc), then he should go to a 4-year college and major in Computer Science, Computer Engineering or Electrical Engineering. He won't be able to focus on networks right away (you have to learn the basics first), but by his junior year he'd be able to pick a focus.

But for "Network Engineering", DeVry or ITT will be quicker and cheaper.

You may also want to consider ITT Technical Institute. They have degrees in those fields and can also help you get certified.

As I sit here fat, stinky, and unemployed...

I know the places to be are Devry University , the wonderful Collins College, and ITT Technical Institute.

Collins will even give you a laptop with your toliet paper!

For profit institutions already have .edu domains. Just look at DeVry and ITT Tech.

"Me? Work with lasers?? Sounds complicated..."

sorry. sort of...it was the magic lasers that did it.