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http://www.jcraft.com/wiredx/

Let me introduce you to something.

Players may have dependencies which you have to resolve yourself, such as fixing the installer software on the device.

As much as some people would like them to be, web browsers are not operating systems.

You don't need an admin account to play Ogg Vorbis files on a normal Windows XP PC. For example, if your browser has a Java runtime, use JOrbis.

Enough with the hand holding now. Do your own research.

Agreed. Software-as-a-service is built on the fundamentally flawed concept that if a company has a continuous revenue stream, they will be able to "innovate" more, making more frequent updates. For customers, though, they see ift thusly: with purchased software, if the vendor screws me, I can at least keep using it, but with SAS software, I end up with data that I may not be able to use with any other service, and worse, that I may not even have access to retrieve and back up. As a result of this, consumers have been generally hostile towards the entire concept.

Open source SAS would not really remove the lock-in, as developers could always fork their own custom version with a slightly incompatible file format to lock you into their servers. It also would not solve the problem of having to trust your data to someone who could just deside to shut down the servers and hold your data hostage. Plus, it would also add the additional problem of basing those services on software that isn't backed by a company, so there's nobody to sue when it goes wrong. It would not solve any of the problems with SAS, but would have much greater risk.

What would be far more useful would be a Java port of an X11 server---WeirdX, for example. If that could be beefed up to the point that it works anywhere as a web applet from your own personal Linux box, and if it became sufficiently transparent---if you could open a browser window and get the same experience (performance notwithstanding) that you would get on the local head---then you would have the access-anywhere advantage of SAS without all its inherent problems. That would be useful.

You could probably also use WeirdX: http://www.jcraft.com/weirdx for some nifty stuff. WeirdX is written in Java, so I keep thinking
it would be nice if somebody did a Java Webstart configuration for it... Just click a link, install the X-Server and
then you're on your way to that "rich client experience."

> While X is defacto free but can't be run through a browser,

I'm not so sure about that.

FWIW, it works ok on a LAN ... I doubt it'd work at an acceptable performance level over DSL/cable though.

This guy is a serial GPL abuser:

VX30 ad stats is a rip of phpadsnew.

VX30 itself is nothing more than a wrapper for mpeg1 and Ogg, ripped from Jorbis

Some people have no shame...

why isn't the X server written in Java?

Like WeirdX?

Cheers
Stor

I'm using WiredX rather than WeirdX.

Like this one. You can just publish it as an applet on UNIX host's web server and access it from a browser on any platform without any install at all.

Last I checked, Cygwin X server takes over your whole screen by default and doesn't look native even in rootless mode. Has any progress been made recently?

Hey, it really works!
Try their online demo.

It must be JOrbis. It is extremely simple.

Try JOrbis, the pure java Ogg Vorbis decoder as an applet.

Does this work use JCraft's JOrbis?

How much is XDAMAGE changing the original X11 protocol on wire ?. I have beed using something called WierdX, which is deployed as a JNLP in our project's webserver . Do these new extensions change something fundamental or is it just not applicable for remote X11 ?.

Hmm.. I just wish X11 would use my Video card instead of hogging CPU for those purty gradients and translucent windows.

You could try that, although it does not seem to implement fully the X protocol (or maybe I messed up something when trying it).

By replacing Unix domain sockets with hyperqueues (about twice as fast), and the X protocol with XML (an expansion of what, 5 times, 10 times?) you expect things to get faster? Somebody needs to check their math.

How about just adding a hyperqueue option to X?

(And yeah, I know, the X Server isn't the bottleneck anyway. Heck, you can implement an X server in Java and still get reasonable performance (well, to a point), so it's clearly not the bottleneck.)

X11 has had dxpc, the "Differential X Protocol Compressor" for many years. Yes, it works. Of course, LBX is now built into the server, although dxpc seems better. JCraft has a Java implementation of dxpc.

It can even play vorbis files

It's time to move to GNU GPL licensed X server WeirdX.

Along the same line of thought, you could use WeirdX running as an applet inside MS's JVM to access a remote app. Eliminates the need to play with CDs or floppys and runs in the browser.

There are pure java X servers available (that will even run in IE using the default ms vm).

I've never use it, but here it is

One could make a webpage which embeds the X server applet and automatically connects it to a machine which does the actual work.

Seems like the best of both worlds to me.

There exist two X servers, WiredX and WeirdX and they are from JCraft. WeirdX is licensed under GNU GPL and it was derived from source code of WiredX. As someone pointed out that, WiredX is freely available as a web service.

There exist two X servers, WiredX and WeirdX and they are from JCraft. WeirdX is licensed under GNU GPL and it was derived from source code of WiredX. As someone pointed out that, WiredX is freely available as a web service.

Have you tried WeirdX? Free, GPLed, and only 210K in size. It even runs on the crippled Java VM that ships with Windows.

Why the streaming server for Speex, jroar, is not listed?

It might be a new world order but what ever gave them the idea to use such a screwy extension?

Laying on his deathbed King Brak of the Oggs called for his military advisors to warn them that his two enemies were sure to attack all Ogg islands once he passed away. Brak and his advisors came up with a plan to organize and train the Ogg tribesmen to use weapons for the defense of thier villages.

Meanwhile Nanny Ogg can tell us whether MP3's are best served at weddings, Dinner or Audio Compression Victory parties in her cookbook.

I mean there's nothing like launching a new world order when it comes to audio compression using an extension whose browsing can find you great Poinsettias at www.ogg.com

JOrbis is a GPL'ed Ogg decoder. Maybe the developers and Sun can work something out to reuse that code (GPL probably won't be OK with Sun for JMF).

Some quick Googling turned up, among other things, JOrbis, an LGPL Ogg Vorbis Decoder in Java that decodes to PCM.

i have found that weirdx works quicker and better than cygwin. weirdx supports rootless mode (such that x windows look just like regular windows windows, without having to have a separate canvas), alpha transparency (i believe this is why it was mentioned on slashdot years ago), and is written in java. in fact, it's the fastest java app i've ever used.

Does anybody know of other free (either or both) X servers are for Windows?

The only other one i've been able to find is the GPLed WeirdX, which has a usable but slightly buggy rootless mode (where you use Windows as your window manager). I've been pretty happy using it to run my linux boxes (mostly xterm), and I could run some things (like xscreensaver) locally using U/WIN...

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Benjamin Coates

I'm using jroar for my local ogg streams. Listen to their demo stream
http://radio.jcraft.com:8000/test.m3u
They insist it can be used for p2p streaming.

I'm using jroar for my local ogg streams. Listen to their demo stream
http://radio.jcraft.com:8000/test.m3u
They insist it can be used for p2p streaming.

Try JEsd. It's a Java implementation of EsounD and actually works pretty well.

-Arcadio

What have you tried already?
I could post a list of links from google
e.g. jesd but you've already tried that, right?

Enjoy!

JCraft

I haven't tried it myself, but you might check out wierdx, a Pure Java X-Windows server that runs in a browser.

So, if I'm reading this right, it will run Windows CE, and allow you to do remote desktop stuff with a Windows XP machine via Windows Terminal Server. That sounds really nifty, except I don't want to run Windows XP, ever.
Perhaps it could also net-boot and run Linux Terminal Server, instead. Are there any good X Servers for Windows CE? Any GPL'd? I think there is a GPL'd Java one that might run on Windows CE.
I know that VNC runs on Windows CE. While VNC is very slow when connecting to a Windows machine, it is quite fast connecting to a Linux machine. From what I understand, it isn't as fast as Cygwin/Xfree ,but the install is sooooooooooo much easier.

There is a free X server written in Java called WeirdX that you might try. I've used it before on my Mac and it actually isn't too bad. You can find it here.

No, please, not another windowing system. X11 is fine for most purposes and, if you need something is does not provide, write an extension. There are more than enough 'alternatives' that are either designed for niches, have never been finished or will never get a significant marekt share. They don't have any significant advantage, at least as a general window system, and they lack applications. And despite those people who claim that X11 is sooo bloated (usually because they see the memory usage and do not realize that most of the memory is taken by pixmaps that won't take less space in other solutions) there are proofs like TinyX and WeirdX.

Easy, you use JOrbis

I've just tried it, and it works fine. I'm amazed, that was easier than trying to get FreeAmp to play the stream (It tells me it's skipping corrupt data, methinks I don't have the Vorbis plugins installed there).

If the BBC combined the Ogg Stream with a modifed JOrbis player (This one is ugly but functional), it would be the equivilent of there current system where they use Real streams and the embedded Real Player in a window.

Try JOrbis, its pure java, will run from within a web browser (I've tested the BBC streams from within Mozilla) and works with proxy servers.

Still, if you have to use Windows, get the Cygwin command line tools too; they make your life much easier.

If you have a sufficiently good machine, you may want to look into WeirdX or WiredX. Both are Java X servers, and at least WeirdX ran surprisingly well for me. WeirdX is GPLed.

Hey, there's a Java X Server that's only 562,232 bytes long (tar.gz) - does this make anything over a meg a bloated application?

Check out WeirdX. It's hosted on SourceForge and also has a project page on Freshmeat.

WeirdX is a GPL'd Java-based X server and even has ESD support. It should run great any operating system which has decent Java support (including Windows and MacOS).

Hopefully this is what you're looking for. If you're willing to try an X server for DOS, then I suppose Java is even more than adaquate. (:

One TWM I've not seen mentioned here is CTWM, which is a TWM I used for quite a while after TWM.

It actually stands for "Claude's Tab Window Manager", which is rather funny given how they took out "Tom" The two things I liked most were the virtual screens (I think one of the first, but I'm not sure about that), and the color support...

It had great support for customizing the look of the WM with pixmaps and various colors, and I think more options that TWM had - I remember having nice gradient shaded menus. I think it also had the easiest to use virtual room support of anything I've ever tried since, but I haven't used that feature in the newer VM's much and have been too lazy to really customize my WM as much as I used to.

I like to think of TWM as the "VI" of WM's, as no matter what machine you connect to you know TWM will be there and it's easy to use (OK, in one way it's like VI...). I use TWM all the time when connecting to various machines around the company if I'm using a lightweight X server like WierdX on an NT box.

There's a Java one:

WeirdX
It's monochrome, last I tried it, but it's better than nothing :-)