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XLiveCD: Cygwin and X For Windows On A Live CD
mallumax writes "OSnews is running a story
on XliveCD which runs an X server (from X.org) from the CD using Cygwin. Also included are awk, sed, perl, vim, bash, grep, other text utilities, and most importantly an OpenSSH client. XliveCD is being developed by University Technology Services of Indiana University. Now you can carry Cygwin with you! I have been looking for something like this for a long time. Torrent link."
Aren't those Unix programs? Isn't it normal that they run from a read-only directory?
Doesn't running this on Windows defeat the purpose of it existing? Unix... On windows... Does not compute... Can't stop... ... ... Help...
Making your own Cygwin based "live CD" is astonishingly easy.
I have been carrying versions of my own design for many years now.
I even include a nice litte autorun feature with mine.
What is the point?
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some people still use windows for the majority of their work/play but require some *nix functionality (but not enough to migrate completely).
I was going to ask what the point was, given the number of Live CDs such as Knoppix, etc. Then I actually RTFA and they suggest it's for use in public access Windows boxes, where a reboot may not be available but running stuff from the CD is.
I still suspect VNC on a USB key or CD might be easier, and the difference between forwarding X and using VNC isn't that much in my experience.
The reality is a little less exciting - just a program you can run from a CD. (yawn).
atleast somewhat. but in truth and pratice, this may give the false sense of "compatability" that one would want. ... ;)
but all in all, this should be quite nice, and somewhat similiar to the whole Cooperative Linux project (http://www.colinux.org/)
and this like the Cooperative Linux project, im sure will have a fire lit underneath it
from people looking to drive foreward the development of "native" win32 *nix apps.
oh the irony. lol
if this doesn't appeal to you, maybe cooperative linux will.
if that doesn't appeal to you, good luck
--kingpunk
Do they also include coLinux on the CD? Being able to run Linux from a LiveCD directly onder windows would be a really nice feature me thinks.
Have you even read the article? It's about places where you're not able to reboot the machine but you can run programs from a CD. Try that using the knoppix or any other LiveCD.
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This sounds cool. For anyone who admins Linux systems - but primarily does their work from Windows - this could be a god-send. I'm not so much interested in SSH (putty works fine) as I am in the X server - getting X running Windows-side can be a chore... Find out if this really works soon enough - I'm downloading it right now...
I actually prefer PuTTY over OpenSSH myself (on Windows -- OpenSSH is fine on any other OS). No need to go through another layer to access the network. Other than that, wouldn't it run into problems running off the CD, especially if write access is required? Just a thought.
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Does anyone know if it provides VNC client software? The website makes no mention of it.
Like this one. You can just publish it as an applet on UNIX host's web server and access it from a browser on any platform without any install at all.
Last I checked, Cygwin X server takes over your whole screen by default and doesn't look native even in rootless mode. Has any progress been made recently?
I can see the purpose to running Cygwin locally on Windows. I can see the purpose of having a cd with Cygwin and X on it to install onto a Windows machine to run locally. However I do not really see the purpose to running Cygwin and X off a cd. I mean we have Linux and FreeBSD that run off cds, what is the need for Cygwin? As we all know, Cygwin may be pretty good for what it's meant to do, but it's got nothing on other a Unix derivatives, even those that run off cd. Except for the fact you don't need to reboot
Ok there are public machines that won't have that dual boot ability, they might not let you install software or even reboot, but still, I haven't seen too many public access Windows machines that don't have at least a power button.
I use cygwin in a few different places. One our file server is running NT, put cygwin on there and it like a real server ;)
Also, Since I'm booted into XP most of the time, cygwin fills the nitch of having sshd to copy files back too, perl for running some reports, X for those server admin applications, even vi when I need to do some text work. (Ya, I said vi)
I was running Linux with VMware for XP, but the resources wasted, and no VPN software that worked with our nortel vpn connection, decided to just use cygwin, perfect choice.
Couple things, You can have real RXVT term's without X they run stand alone, and you can customize with normal black backgrounds, right side bars, etc. It also supports Rootless for seemless looking with windows. (Like OSX.) Comes with links, super quick to read heavy text sites, no popup banners, and color/frame support. I use it to read slashdot, and if someone looks over my shoulder, they just see text.
KDE under cygwin runs ok, few bugs, but since I just needed a manager, I went with windowmaker (Or rootless). Save the resources. (Old habits..) Konsole is nice, with tab's, I just with there was a tabbed RXVT then life would be truly sweet. (No tabbed putty yet, come on!)
Cygwin is the first software I install on a new windows system, just makes the whole thing usable. I recommend it to anyone doing work. I dont know how it compares to ActivePerl or others, since I've been using cygwin's for years, havn't had a need to switch.
BTW, a native port of nethack would be nice in the default install... And since I'm making requests, (hint to any Cygwin developers) how about real native selectable for download, icewm, screen and irssi(with ssl). Maybe VNC also. So I can remotely run X software off a Windows box over an ssh tunnel. (Production networks, security, makes an admin work harder..)
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...except of course, that doesn't do X forwarding. Which, if you had read the article, is the whole point of this project.
Most popular unix tools already have windows binaries available, like GNU utilities for Win32 - http://unxutils.sourceforge.net/
It's a little outdated but you can easily find newer versions of particular tools you like, also with practical GUI if you'd like. http://www.lexique.org/undows/
Then there's VNC, Putty..
Sample this!
The machine I have to use for work is one I inherited from my predecessor. At some point he seems to have completely fudged an install of cygwin and I can no longer have access to my beloved *nix commands.
I'm downloading the ISO as I type, I really hope it lives up to the promise.
Putty is the better SSH client, but cygwin provides SSHD, so you can remotly connect to your box from elsewhere.
Also, with commandline ssh, you can run scripts to set up ssh tunnels (with ssh keys) and automate and encrypt your network connections.
I use it to tunnel a box that is networked out, I can tunnel rsync from a linux box with no network access through my windows box. SSH and the other utils with cygwin are WAY more powerful than 1 application alone.
Uhh.. The purpose of free software is to do a nice thing for other people and possibly get them to like you? Why would you care if they run Windows?
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Now you can carry Cygwin with you! I have been looking for something like this for a long time.
:rolleyes:
:shaking fist at slashgods:
You have been looking for a long time? I have been carrying around a flash card with ssh keys, Putty, a fat installation of Cygwin with every tool you oodled over, along with ethreal and various other network tools for like 2 years. I also have a backup of all this stored in a subdirectory on my iPod.
This is like something a Wired! subscriber would get excited about: A distribution of win32 tools where all you have to do is put the CD in the thingy and press "I agree".
How about more headlines on Cygwin when there are major updates? If it were up to me, any time good projects like Linux from Scratch get updated, I would make that a headline. The way I see it, we want to attract the people who actually think to threads, and not the perpetual computer noobies who give up when "that thing they clicked on did not go the first time around".
Just downloaded it. This CD is great! The "insert and go" character of the CD makes it very useful.
.ssh directory should not be placed on the desktop! :)
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I'm a student at IU, and UITS is not as "fucking sweet" as they sound. In fact, that statement is almost insulting to me.
UITS does bullshit little projects like this all the time, actually, to try and maintain public support. The problem is that they're arrogant and don't meet student and staff needs AT ALL.
Let me give you a couple of examples. Last year, and many years before that, we used an online system called InSite, developed in-house by our comp sci department, to manage grades, webmail, scheduling, everything. It was a little ugly and slightly disorganised, but it was reliable as hell, and I've never heard a single complaint about it.
Then all of a sudden, some asshole bureaucrat at UITS decides we need to spend several million dollars in a contract with PeopleSoft to replace InSite with a new system called, confusingly enough, OneStart. Then everyone realised it didn't do anything academically, so we wasted a bunch more money creating a second system called OnCourse. See where this is going? It's million-dollar software on million-dollar hardware, and guess what, none of it really works that well. And now PeopleSoft is having huge problems of their own. I hope they don't write their own software. Now the Comp Sci department is trying to explain to UITS that they could have re-written and modernised InSite over last summer, for free, using standard software like PHP and SQL running on Solaris. But NO.
UITS also loves doing other stupid things to annoy ordinary users like me. Prime example; this semester they're blowing up pine. I personally love pine. Their justification is that it's 'too expensive to maintain' and that more people use our webmail system. In fact, I get the feeling that most of the stupider people on campus use webmail exclusively, because they've never even heard of IMAP.
Also, our Cisco VPN doesn't work right, and UITS soundly refuses to fix it.
So I called and emailed UITS a dozen times and they never reply, and instead waste their time with little PR projects like this.
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try again genius. X forwarding is built into PuTTY, just not an X server. PuTTY is a better ssh prog than the cmd line for cygwin.
I take it you're referring to PuTTY? Unfortuately you're incorrect; PuTTY does support X forwarding. Have a look at the Connection > SSH > Tunnels options.
I quite often have a Cygwin X server running in the background and use PuTTY to connect to remote systems with X11 forwarding enabled.
Of course, if I've misunderstood you I apologise; I'm ill but I'm too bored to stay in bed
Life is like a sewer; what you get out of it depends on what you put into it...
If it has a powercord it can be rebooted.
lots of companies monitor traffic on the standard ports and block web sites, but most lazy sys admins won't lock things down tight enough that you can't just ssh into your home box and do what ever you want, unmonitored no less :).
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Hasn't anyone heard of Austrumi?
You have the spelling wrong, a common mistake when talking about X Window.
now please correct my grammar ;)
Laptop users may have to wait three hours :)
I actually do find network policies that prevent shutting down and/or rebooting retarded. We have that where I work. I usually just end up holding the power button down anyway.
It would be cool if it didn't suck.
And before you ask, no, I did *not* need to install any non-free software on this box to get a NX server going. Gentoo's Portage has currently FreeNX 0.2.4, and 0.2.7 is available from bugs.gentoo.org. The rest of what you need for NXx serving was opensource from the start.
Oh, and by the way, I love the way NX causes further confusion regarding the question of what's a client and what's a server. In the case of FreeNX: You use nxclient to connect to an ssh server, where nxserver is the login shell of the user "nx" (as which you authenticate yourself first). nxserver starts the servers it needs, and the client applications connect to the X server on the client through the servers started by nxserver, which are clients to the nxproxy on the client :).
This is actually a very nice thing to have, it writes no permanent files to the HD, no need to reboot, and you have the ability to run your X apps where ever you are, over a single port to no less.
That means I can use *my* browser, with all of my short cuts and plugins (or lack there of) and I only have to keep one configured instead of the current three that I do now. Also you get to use all of your own apps, configured the way you like them. And because it is all done securely, on your own machine, surf for what ever you want "Harold down the hall was caught surfing for porn, inspect his machine" "I don't know what they saw, but only thing on ther was mens boxer pictures from WalMart's website." Actually the more I think about it this is a great privacy tool that can be easily handed out.
Light, responsive and it allows you to bring even non-ported F/OSS programs to a Windows desktop. I realy don't see what there is to be down on this about. Congrats to the people developing it.
Sera
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FTA:
The software runs from the CD without being installed
and a few lines down:
The wizard presents a menu of reading documentation, running the X Server from the CD and installing the software to the hard drive
So, does it run completely from cd or not? If it really needs to install stuff to the harddisk it could form a problem in work environments where users might not have write access to the harddisk.
Downloaded to my windows machine. Transferred it over to my linux file server and burned the cd. Put the cd into my windows machine and let it rip.
The first thing that I noticed was the text box informing that WinXP SP1 requires 256MB and WinXP SP2 requires 512MB. Not a problem for my machine with 768MB but I'm curious as to why there's such a large memory requirement between the two service packs.
This is a rather nice way to get an intelligent command line running on Windows. Every time I run the regular command line on Windows, I keep typing as if I was using a linux command line. Kinda annoying to replace the forward slash with the backward slash all the time.
One thing that seems to be missing from every open-source for Windows distribution I've looked at is an NFS client. I can see why you wouldn't want to give a Windows box access to your files...but what if you do want to?
Please correct me if I got my facts wrong.
I currently work for an organization that has very strict (and government controlled) policies in place for the installation and use of software packages. It's called bureaucracy. To install PuTTy on my XP workstation I must submit a ticket via our Management System interface. That ticket must then be assigned to my manager for an approval for the request of the software. Once my manager approves (could be a week or more) the ticket is then assigned to a senior manager for approval. Once that senior manager approves the installation of the software the ticket is assigned to an auditor to evaluate the financial impact on the company, the auditor must then write up a RFP (Request for Purchase) and submit approval to the ticket. The ticket is then assigned to the final approver (who is usually the CIO or another officer just below) who evaluates the ticket, verifies the approvals, verifies the finanical impact, approves the ticket, then assigns it to the Desktop Admin. The Desktop Admin then assigns the ticket to a Support Technician to be implemented. (ie. installed) (Oh, and I'm a member of IT and a Support Analyst, by the way.)
At any point in that process, if there is a denial. The whole thing must be reviewed, reentered, and start all over again.
This, I drop it in the CD-ROM, install nothing, run the X apps I need to run on the UNIX gear I monitor. Remove the CD, reboot, and no impact to the installed system that requires red tape.
Does that help?
"Genius may shine aloof and alone, like a star, but goodness is social, and it takes two men and God to make a Brother."
Not to mention the Windows DLLs (the C runtime library, networking, and other essentials) aren't free/open-source. Firefox on Windows, Cygwin, and other open source software can never be like their Linux equivalents in terms of freedom.
I remember cursing and swearing when IU signed a deal with Bill & Co for something like $6m/year to get site wide licenses for 45k students + 15k admin/faculty. The license covered Win+Office and UTS had to do all the cd replication and all the support. I wish I could get $6m for handing somebody two cd's to copy and walking away.
Now the irony follows: given that UTS has worked toward cultivating an OS monoculture they are providing the path to allow multi-culture support.
I suppose this is easier for them to police than a bunch of students running around with Knoppix/Gnoppix CD's.
Say for instance you are in an internet cafe such as "easy internet" I do not know about their CD ROM policies, but one thing I do know is that the machine gets a fresh OS image on every reboot.
That's funny when you consider that the awkwardness of Winblows is the whole reason to use this CD. When I have a guest, it's as easy to let them use my network as adduser. The guests don't have to be in my house either. Uptime? People like Steve Ballmer who aim for 60 days of uptime worry about that. I've gotten used to my power failing before my computers do. While it's nice to have good ssh clients, using them on a system that's notorious for auto installing keyloggers is foolish. Finally, when you use something like knoppix, you generally get as good or better performance as Windows gives loaded down as it usually is by utilities that fail to keep malware off.
there are still many, many PC hardware configurations that Knoppix won't run on- and many more where it won't be able to initialize the network device. ... the Knoppix startup will often be unable to use anything better than a generic VESA driver
Your hardware must be different from the hardware I see most of the time. I've seen Knoppix boot up AMD 64 systems and other cutting edge stuff without problems. A set that won't give at least 1024 by 768 resolution is rare and you can try to force better with "ctrl alt +" if the conservative setting is not good enough for you. This might not be good enough for playing games, but it's more than enough to show off the real work that can be done with two office suits and two excellent browsers. Others, such as Morphix, have game CDs if you want that. The only place a boot CD might have problems with hardware is wireless networking, but wrapper software can fix that. Hardware compatibility, by the way, is much easier than software compatibility. M$ can break this toy with a single Winblows update as they have broken people's X and unix connectivity in the past. As time goes by, your chances of everthing working will be greater with an old Knoppix than it will be with an old copy of this CD.
Knoppix and CDs like it are the easiest and most secure way to move files. Once booted, you can use Konqueror's built in sftp to drag and drop files across a split window. What could be easier than that? If you want quick, zip the files and boot with business card linux and use sftp from the command line.
Finally, there's nothing like running a live linux CD to show your buddy just how easy it is to get Linux. If there are problems, it's better they show up there than later.
Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.
At over 300M, the XLive CD image is a bit chunky for what I'd want - an X server that I can have on my 256M USB memorystick.
I'd love to have a good X server, an SSH client that DOESN'T save things to the registry (unlike PuTTY), and perhaps FireFox so that when I visit relatives who run Windows I can SSH back home.
Has anybody else tried stripping this image down a bit? Between trying to get a software release cut at work and getting ready for a trip I'm a mite busy now.
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Damn Small Linux embedded is the best. I have my SSH keys and the liek on there then when I am in someone else's office and need to ssh into the server, pop my USB key in, boot the linux distro in a window (on windows or Linux) and do the work, shutdown, yank the key out and the Windows desktop is untouched. Life is good. No need for this cygwin live cd.
Gorkman
DSL, Damn Small Linux embedded will let you run Linux in a window with X Server, SSH, VNC, Mozilla Firefox, Dillo, a texteditor, vi.....you name it. It all fits nicely on a 128 MB USB key. Oh and it's based on everyone's favorite live CD, Knoppix.
Gorkman
While nice, be aware you can likely run putty off of a floppy or even a CD. Nothing installed (oh unless they county registry keys!....).
Gorkman
I made just such a CD for myself nearly 3 years ago so that I could have cygwin (particularly SSH), emacs, CVS, Java, and Mozilla with me wherever I happened to be, such as in the classroom. The fun part was getting the autorun feature to properly set up the paths. I also made use of the TMP variable as the directory where I could write to the local disk when needed. I suppose what I really should do is establish a RAM disk.
I have recently even been considering migrating to a DVD so I can install the full cygwin installation along with Firefox and plugins; music and video players and rippers; some USB device drivers for my camera, MP3 players, voice recorder, and smart media scanner; and if I can figure it out also the synchronization software for my phone and PDA so I am not tied to a single machine!
I suppose you could add games, too., as if I had time for such things. Hm... the CD emulator with the CD images... I could perhaps include a few of my favorite classics!
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I'm sure you meant otherwise, but saying you prefer [a client] over [a protocol] makes no sense. I use putty to connect to my linux firewall which runs openssh.
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Aye, I'm having problems with gnome too.
I'm running Mepis updated to latest deb packages with FreeNX from Kalyxo and gnome keeps complaining.
If I get a seperate character console onto the same machine I can kill some of the gnome processes and then it carries on and starts up gnome, but not very well.
Other people have had gnome startup problems related to audio; my gnome box is actually colinux under winXP therefore no audio either; maybe related?
I also can't get freeNX audio forwarding to work, I think its because it uses one of the esd programs to tap the audio stream, but as colinux has no real audio hardware esd won't stay running so the esd tap tools don't work.
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I think the torrent is /.ed :(
Which neglects the fact that printer drivers are INDEED stored at each end-user workstation.
Though they may be dynamically loaded at printer connect time, they are still there.
Free software is about choice. You would deny Windows users that same choice that you trumpet from the parapets all day long about the One True OS - Linux? Free software is also about zero cost, you would deny that as well to the windows world? You'd also deny Mac users a powerful user/development experience wouldn't you? What a load of hypocrisy.
I fiddled with Windoze NFS clients and servers some time ago. No doubt they've improved but at the time I decided that Samba was a better solution because you can establish ad-hoc sharing much more easily.
I already run Cygwin on a flash drive. Granted, I only run some BASH, CVS, Lynx, clisp, and some other text utilities. But it only takes up 69,884,685 bytes plus slack. Here's what I did:
Hope someone finds that useful! Some resources that really helped me out include:
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PuTTY has a few other command line utilities which come with it that let you do this stuff.
Oddly, I've found myself needing PuTTY on Linux to use SSH to reach dozens of remote systems which did not have public/private key enabled... PuTTY lets you break the rules and put your password on the command line.
The app has improved over the years.
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Maybe in the short term, but in the long term if people have most of their software being multi-OS FOSS, they have less of a barrier to change OS (instead of having to learn to use different software and a different OS, they just have to learn the OS), so they might be more likely to change to linux eventually.
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If XLiveCD works, it will be a great boon: Windows software needs to be better packaged, more simple to start using, than does Unix/Linux software. The current barrier to entry for users, complexity, means the Windows userbase rejects value based on initial complexity, while the rest of us do not necessarily do so. Of course, expanding into the Windows userbase requires the simplification of that complexity, at least as an option, if only because many people expect simplicity from Windows, even if it becomes a complex proposition due to inferior quality.
So perhaps XLiveCD is an oversimplification. What if I use it, and like it? How do I install it from the CD to my HD, so double-clicking its icon on the desktop/toolbar starts it the same as inserting the CD? But without the performance hit of running off the CD, and locking up the CD drive during the session? XLiveCD is a good start, but can it go the distance?
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So the Windows lusers are going to be able to experience the X.org server before us Debian users(who don't want to compile)? Damn that is just sad.
> Up and coming freshmen script kiddies being able to use ssh and other linux hacking utilities straight from the CD?
Here's the news, motherfucking idiot linux fucker: those are not "linux hacking utilities". Asshole.
I just wanted you to know that Knoppix 3.7 doesn't recognize my GB eth0. Honestly, neither did Ubuntu, Mepis, or any other modern distro I've tried to run on it. Knoppix is awesome, don't get me wrong... I've spent several hours of my life remastering old versions (to include LUFS, when that was looking good, I remastered one for my GF's daughter with games and tuxtype/math, yada-yada) and was really looking forward to doing one based on 3.7, because I've got this screamin machine now and it should take no time whatsoever. Well, not the case when I can't reach the network to install new packages. Anyway, that's just my $0.02.
put the what in the where?
openssh is grou of programs which includes an openssh client and an openssh server. the protocol implemented by both putty and openssh is secure shell, or secsh, i believe.
if you really want to be pedantic, maybe he could have been more clear by saying "i prefer putty over the openssh client", but what he said is correct, and i think most people were able to understand the post.
If I don't put anything here, will anyone recognize me anymore?
Unfortunately, it appears to me that Microsoft has broken this again. DAV works fine in older versions of Microsoft Windows, but more recent updated versions seem to have problems connecting to DAV. I gather they've once again replaced and renamed their DAV support (from "Web Folders". Now they have a different service called "DAV Redirector" or something of the sort, and the "Open as Web Folder" option no longer appears in Internet Explorer(tm).) and it appears to be even less compatible with the published standard than before.
I'd be interested if anyone has good information on getting more recent Windows(tm) versions to interoperate with non-Microsoft DAV implementations again. Any chance Firefox will incorporate DAV support soon, I wonder? Being able to use Firefox as a DAV client would be a convenient cross-platform way to bypass Microsoft's unreliable support.
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Half the time I install cygwin on a windows box, it is so the user can run perl scripts. This should save me some time.
P.S. I can't believe there is not a quick and free way to run perl scripts on Windows. /p.
Given that all these utilities are freely downloadable off the internet and so anyone with a cd burner and 10 spare minutes could make their own cd of "ssh and other linux hacking utilities", I'm guessing... nobody?
Do you really consider things like ssh "linux hacking utilities", or were you just trolling?
Downloaded it, ran it, no love...
It managed to put an "X" in the taskbar and a shortcut on the desktop, but that was the apparent extent of its success. No prompt window ever came up - only assorted error messages in the cmd.exe window.
This is on Windows 2000, AMD CPU, 512MB RAM.
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Are common app releases (e.g., Perl, PostGreSQL, PHP, etc.) kept fairly up-to-date?
Not only is this a really great idea, it's only possible because of the 'stability' of the Win32 API.
Yep, you don't have to boot an OS to run this thing because that ubiquitous OS we all hate has actually gotten one thing right. They built an API some 10 years ago and made sure it works on (almost) all iterations of their OS since.
I imagine I'm asking for flames here, but somewhere amidst the 'choice is always good' arguments, we tend to lose the 'consistency is good' flip side. Maybe that's the product of the OSS development model, but it is getting to be a real stumbling block.
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Answering my own question, according to the Bugzilla entry regarding WebDAV support in FireFox, it is at least being worked on, ableit perhaps slowly and sporadically. Bugzilla lists the "target milestone" as "Mozilla 1.9alpha".
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I often run X remotely. At my last job I used to run FrameMaker Solaris, displayed on my FreeBSD machine. Come to think of it, everything I did at that job was remote X because they put easily maintainable NCD X servers on the desktop and ran our applications on servers in the back room. (which was properly cooled and power conditioned)
Still use remote X so that I can use the monitor and keyboard (real model M) on my slow desktop, to my laptop with a much faster processor.
I don't know too many people with a Cray supercomputer on their desktop, those who display complex analysis from the Cray may be using remote X. (depending on the app, there are a number of ways to do this) This is a common situation in some settings.
If you don't use remote X you are limiting yourself.
Now you may argue that it's silly to base the definition of client an server on low level packet handling. I agree, but at this point in time, it's sort of a frozen accident. It's like picking a particular pole of a battery as positive, and then discovering that electrons, the primary charge transporter, are negative. Confusing and counter intuitive, but locked in the language now and too late to change.
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Since the torrent link given is messed up up, I've set up another torrent tracker for short term abuse.
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Perhaps to avoid suddenly and swiftly having to fork out $20,000 for CAD licensing unexpectedly (better than a $250,000 per seat fine though, eh?) Perhaps to avoid finding out that secretary #7 has been using some junky 1987 word processor to type all of her documents for the last three years. Did I mention that the file format might as well be called an encryption format? Did I mention that she ran this from a floppy which she took with her when she quit? Another document format problem occurs with several offices that thought $39.95 for MS Works 4.5 was just to good of a deal to pass up! I could give another dozen good reasons, but, I am hungry and have some licensing issues to sort out.
I'd say most of those utilities are equally useful.
Did somebody try it? I did, and the X server runs with keyboard layout set to dvorak. This isn't
mentioned anywhere and it is very odd to find out
after a lenghly download.
Um... if the activity was genuinely insensitive to security, you could run naked telnet.
Oh my god, then i'll be losing the beautyful "compressing" feature, or maybe the port redirection, or maybe what we cover here, that's... XWindow forwarding !! oh my god
:D
WARNING
Do NOT put this CD into a PC where you already have cygwin running/installed.
If you do then your current cygwin installation is screwed. You can no longer run any cygwin stuff.
I downloaded the iso, and burnt the CD.
Figured I'd see what it did.
OK, it started X and had a bash shell.
Could come in useful.
Then I ejected the CD, and tried to carry on doing my work. The native machines bash shell was screwed, my path's where all fck'ed up.
So I figure, maybe the CD has put some stuff temporaily into my system (As I wouldnt expect it to remain on my drive and/or change my paths permanently if its a removable CD. Right ? Wrong.)
Microsoft fix #1 - a reboot.
Still the same. All my cygwin stuff still doesn't run properly.
I took a poke around to see if I could find WTF this shitty CD had changed on my system. But had no luck.
I'm now down to microsoft fix #2 - reinstall cygwin.
My recomendation is take the CD you burnt and use it to keep your coffee cup on.
Would be good to add a 'quick installer', so that you can easily install X on the PC, not just run from CD.. Perhaps a single click.. wait.. wait.. and *poof*, you have X.org on your Win32 machine.
Not tried it yet, so if that is there, just ignore this post and move along..
---- Booth was a patriot ----