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BeOS - single user OS
It's even worse...it's single user!
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Re:WARP engine?I hear ya. Although I like the performance of my G200 for 2D X stuff, Matrox hasn't really taken the Linux/BSD user community seriously, and apparently refuses to release *all* the specs.
I'm not a big gamer, but heck, I'd like to try out Q3 just like everybody else...
I'll probably buy a TNT card instead of another Matrox.
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Re:hard drivesI used to be a SCSI True Believer. I had an all-SCSI PC for years. Now, however, for my workstations I use UDMA IDE HDDs. The CPU usage has been reduced quite a bit from the old days of IDE, and the bang for the buck is just too good to go with SCSI for non-server machines.
That said, I'd love to see on-board SCSI MBs drop in price, and SCSI HDDs, too, to compete with IDE more effectively. I just don't see that happening any time soon.
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Re:Commercial OS Vendors can now start chapter 11
Well, I'm not sure, but NetBSD/x86 would imply support for all x86 chips, including 8086 and 80286 (yes, there was an 80186, but I don't think it was ever used as a PC CPU).
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Re:It's really happening!hybrid operating system
Yeah, I really scratched my head over that one, too.
Especially because they talk elsewhere in the article about the Open Source aspect.
I'm thinking it's just Linux, with a wm config that they came up with that mimics BeOS.
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It's really happening!Just look at this story, the Tivoli story, etc.
World domination is at hand. Within five years, Microsoft will be an also-ran.
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U.S. Form of GovernmentI think perhaps what the previous poster was trying to point out, however, is that the U.S. governmnent is, in Benjamin Franklin's words, "a Republic, if you can keep it."
It is not a democracy, so it should not be implementing the will of the people when that will conflicts with the Bill of Rights. Representatives (including the President) who implement that will at the expense of constitutional rights should rightly be considered traitors.
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Re:Typical Good Intentions, Bad SolutionsThe Republicans and Democrats are simply in a pissing match to see who can "care" more and take away more of our rights to "protect the children."
Democrats try to pass more laws regulating guns, despite the fact that there are already plenty of laws that were supposed to have prevented things like school shootings.
Republicans try to pass more laws to "improve morals", oblivious to the fact that moral instruction by government is an oxymoron.
It's an out-and-out culture war, and it's being played out on the battlefield of the Bill of Rights.
And we're *all* losing.
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Actually, no.
There are some newer motherboards that don't need a keyboard to boot. I've done it.
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Re:FIRST POST!!!Y'know...I was thinking...
A brilliant epitaph for a Slashdotter would be:
HERE LIES JOE BLOW
LAST COMMENT!
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LinusYou talk as if he's a mere mortal...
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Re:NT, server for dummies?Well, of course you'd be better off with Linux/UNIX/BSD/Solaris/etc.
I was just trying to point out that BeOS probably isn't going to cut it as a server, since its single user...
And, no, I don't even know what MPE/iX is, although it sounds fun...
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Re:When will they learn?Look at this guy's user info; almost all his posts are anti-Linux/GPL trolls.
So, don't get too worked up.
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Re:Why Open Source is crucial_Ok, let's imagine IBM had made OS/2 Open Source. Would the users have continued the development?
Almost certainly. There were quite a few OS/2 users 3 or so years ago, and many were extremely committed to the platform (so much so, in fact that they started the Win32-OS/2 project).
What if development splits, but both version have features you'd like to have?
You're not for real here, are you? First of all, as we've seen, Open Source software is very resistant to forking. Secondly, if there was a fork, there would be a darn good reason, and I'd certainly come down on one side or the other. I really don't think this is a serious concern; non-Open-Source software is more prone to forking, as we have seen (i.e., Mosaic). Besides, even in the extremely unlikely event of a fork, you're still better off than with no source code, no updates, no support, aren't you?
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Re:NT, server for dummies?As much as I dislike NT, I must say that it is more appropriate than BeOS for a server. What?!? Yes, that's right; you actually heard me, one of the most anti-Microsoft people on the planet say that. Why? Simple. BeOS is single-user! I think it would be even more insecure than NT as a server platform. At least NT has filesystem security (heck, it even has ACLs, if you're into that sort of thing).
Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I can tell, BeOS has zero, zilch, nada filesystem security. It's much like Win 9x or MacOS in that respect (although I understand that MacOS 8.7 will have some sort of filesystem security, and of course Mac OS X has normal UNIX-type security, AFAIK).
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Re: ESR - Go Home Gun NutAustralian gun laws were tightened dramatically after that. One local pundit observed that perhaps the massacre wouldn't have happened, if everyone had been armed - Martin Bryant would have been shot dead.
Actually, I think the more accurate argument would be that he would never had attempted his crime, for fear of being shot.
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Re:BSD and XI think you're putting the cart before the horse here. Why do you think Linux became popular? There could be a number of reasons, but considering it started as Linus' personal project, one could very easily believe that it was in fact the GPL that propelled the Linux project into wide acceptance in the first place. BSD projects have certainly been around about as long (remember 386BSD? I tried to install it once around 1993, I think).
While the BSD crowd certainly has their beliefs about code sharing, consider that many programmers, if they choose to contribute to an Open Source project, want to ensure that their code remains open, and is never used (at least not legally) in proprietary software. In other words, "Feel free to use my code, as long as you let others use yours. If you don't want to share, then don't use my code." The GPL ensures this. BSD-ish licenses, whatever their other strengths, do not. Hence the popularity of GPLd projects like Linux.
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Re:What's wrong with you?The problem is that Microsoft is not only criticizing Sun for a problem that may well not be their fault; they are also implying that there is a Microsoft solution that is even in the same ball park as the high-end Sun stuff.
It just ain't so. Microsoft is lying again. Nothing new, eh?
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Re:Signs of tension.I disagree on the web browser bit (Netscape is not "substandard," IMO), but I think you're right on about the mail client bit.
We need a full-featured, high quality GUI mail client. Perhaps KMail will get there eventually, but right now, it's too immature, and doesn't support IMAP (heck, it doesn't even support POP correctly yet).
Actually, if the XFMail guy would port his excellent mail program from XForms (yuk) to Qt/KDE and/or Gtk+/GNOME, it could be the answer. It is open source, so depending on the specific license (I don't recall how its licensed), someone else (maybe a group of people) could do it for him.
Although XFMail is butt-ugly (due to the afore-mentioned use of XForms), it is quite stable/full-featured, and does IMAP, POP, and local spool mail, multiple accounts, lots of filtering options, etc., etc. It's really a good program, and the author is one hell of a good programmer, as far as I can tell.
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Re:Why Open Source is crucialI'm not quite sure you read my original post; I thought I was quite clear:
Whether or not you decide to hack the kernel, Open Source allows distribution of control of the OS, so that no one organization or group has absolute veto power.
I used to use OS/2. IBM decided that the sort of users that were actually using OS/2 were unimportant, and focused on other areas. As users of a proprietary, closed-source operating system, there was nothing anyone outside of IBM could do.
That cannot happen with an Open Source OS. I use Open Source software almost exclusively, having learned my lesson with the OS/2 debacle.
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Why Open Source is crucialI see a lot of BeOS advocates shrugging off the importance of Open Source, arguing that most "users" never hack the kernel anyhow.
That utterly misses the point. Open Source is crucial because of the distribution of control.
With BeOS, just as with any other proprietary, closed-source OS, you are at the mercy of one company for bug fixes, feature additions, support, etc. With Open Source, one company can decide to discontinue its distribution, but the software lives on, as long as someone wants to use and/or improve it.
No one organization can control Open Source. That is why it is destined to become the mainstream software model of the future.
Using proprietary software, particularly operating systems, is just too risky, when there are Open Source alternatives.
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Re:Lockheed Martin got it tooWhen will this stop?
When everyone stops using Windows. Maybe 2004.
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What they really need to study......is the effect of Microsoft and AOL on the Internet.
Those two companies, more than any others, have pretty much destroyed it...
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Re:Volunteerism and softwareNo. I think that software will generally move to an Open Source model, because closed software is:
- Lower quality, as it is not peer-reviewed
- An administrative/bookkeeping headache, due to restrictive licensing
- Overpriced
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Give me a break!Cable companies have monopoly franchises, in most cities. Now, all of the sudden, they're concerned about the government getting involved.
When you bargain with the devil, you deal with him on his terms...
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Bull
Your numbers are *way* off. DSL userbase is probably closer to 20-30% Linux.
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Re:Never heard of X11AMP?
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Re:Overclocking...I used to be absolutely against overclocking, but with the introduction of the Celeron 300A, I had to try it. I've been extremely pleased with the performance of this chip at 450 MHz. So pleased, in fact, that I plan to build a dual Celeron system.
You'd almost have to be nuts *not* to overclock a Celeron.
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Re:business cultureI really like KDE, too, but my God, it is so boring--it *looks* like a WM written by Germans trying to win enterprise desktops. If that's your goal, why not just use WinNT and be assimilated.
I don't get this; the RedHat default GNOME desktop is fairly Windows-like, too, but you don't judge it based on the default, right?
KDE has theme support through kdethememgr, with MacOS (even uses a global menubar if you like for KDE apps), Drawing Board, and many other cool themes. Theme support will get even better in the future, with the introduction of Qt 2.0.
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Re:KDE advocacyI rather doubt that the person you responded to was actually a KDE advocate. He was trolling, and taking potshots at one of KDE or GNOME, while attacking the other seems to be a magnificent way to troll in these parts.
I'm a KDE advocate, and I have nothing bad to say about GNOME.
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Re:Humble KDEYour unfair, repugnant, and inappropriate bashing of the KDE project was a major factor in my choosing not to contribute to the GNOME project.
Hey! Me, too! After I read that BBC article, I was so outraged that I have started learning Qt/KDE programming (got that new O'Reilly book; looks good so far), and I plan to contribute apps to KDE as soon as I get it all figured out. It may take a while, though...
So, thanks for the inspiration, Miguel!
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Re:Time to Create Bad PressUsing the same tactics as the opposition isn't a better way, it's a rehashing of the same old crap and will ultimately have the same results.
No. Using the same tactics would be if we had sleazy lawyers (but I repeat myself...) send them threatening lawyers.
Using the sunshine of publicity is a different tactic: one that they are no doubt unfamiliar with. It's about time these companies have to consider the publicity angle before they send out their lawyers.
(NB: this is also the problem I have with the GPL's "fight fire with fire" methodology
Ugh. What does this rubbish have to do with the matter at hand? I like the BSD license less and less as I read more anti-GPL screeds. And I'm not even a hard-core GPL guy...
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Re:Time to Create Bad PressIt's an interesting idea, but do we really want open source to be thought of as a lynch mob?
Yes.
That way, maybe some of these corporate idiots will think twice before harassing people.
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Re:Legal under American law?I'd sure like to see someone try this, as it is pretty clearly unconstitutional if they intercept a single domestic call or message without a valid and specific search warrant.
But, then again, I also favor someone suing the cities which are suing gun manufacturers. I think the cities' actions consitute a conspiracy to deny citizens' civil and constitutional rights.
So, basically, I'm one of those unapologetic Libertarians, so I don't count.
Folks, this is precisely the kind of stuff the U.S. Constitution was written to prevent. If we don't stop it now, we lose what little freedom we have left.
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Re:how about this...Sorry, but you have the source code. Therefore, everything in KDE is completely configurable.
I sure wish people would be a little more grateful for something that has been created by a Free Software project. If you don't like it, don't use it, or fix what you don't like, and contribute the changes. Or at least complain to the developers, instead of on a public forum.
Sorry. I just really get tired of the KDE developers getting raked over the coals, and I think they deserve a lot of credit for what they've done. They've invested a lot of time and energy over the past 3 years, and did not have anyone hiring them to work on it.
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Re:NiceAFAIK, as long as you have kdesupport, kdebase and kdelibs installed (and, naturally qt), you can run any KDE stuff under whatever wm/de you like.
"Too slick?" I don't get that; it's almost like you're saying that the KDE guys are doing too good of a job. They just can't win, I guess.
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Re:IE port to LinuxI think the point is that ~99% of the Microsoft Word userbase doesn't need or even know how to use such features. For them, it is indeed "bloat." That kind of stuff should be an optional add-on package; that would help the security situation quite a bit.
And why do people keep saying things like "if Linux is to have any sort of enterprise-level support?" If the "enterprise" wants to use Linux, fine; if they don't, that's fine, too.
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Re:WAIT! MS = Anti-Linux...Every company tries to squash their competition.
And therein lies the problem...this is the kind of short-term thinking that pretty much guarantees that Microsoft will lose its dominance in the next five years.
Only by focusing on the customers needs, and not their competition directly, can a company achieve long-term success.
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Re:Linux community is 100% self-sustainingHowever, if Microsoft can reduce the growth of Linux's marketshare (or even stop its growth), that will do damage to Linux. Few ISV's want to write software for a stagnant platform.
Great! That helps Linux. The last thing we need is a bunch of proprietary "ISVs" shoveling their shiteware into the Linux market. Been there; done that. It's a trap. What happens when the software vendor decides that it's no longer in his interest to maintain the program, and you encounter a bug that prevents you from using it for a particular task? You're hosed.
I've been down the proprietary software dead-end with IBM and OS/2, and I'm not going there again!
Open Source is the only sane way to go.
If your office is using Outlook, and you can't get your mail using standard mail protocols, it's time to get a new office.
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Re:HTML
Yes. It would be nice if Rob or Hemos could add the ability to do
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Re:HTML
Yes. It would be nice if Rob or Hemos could add the ability to do < and >
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P200? Nah...Installed the regular Linux version on two machines:
- Celeron 300A @ 450 MHz, 64 MB RAM, 2.2.9
- Pentium 100, 48 MB RAM, 2.0.32
Works well on both systems. Only observed problem so far was a segfault during the registration on the 450.
This seems to play more smoothly than 5.0; I used to get this choppy effect where the audio would be sort of "jumbled." Doesn't seem to happen with G2.
I agree that they should at least compile a version for SPARC, Alpha and PPC. Such is life with proprietary software. Ugh.
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Re:www.linuxhq.com gone
Thanks for putting the site up at that new URL. LinuxHQ is a fantastic resource. And, thanks for your hard work on it!
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domain name != URLA domain name is often used for other things than a hostname for a web site URL, hard as that may be to believe...
Perhaps someone is using their domain name for workstation hostnames, email, a gopher server...
Is that so bad?
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Re:Nice"Error 1" is seen on 2.2.x kernels (and, I expect, 2.1.x kernels after about 2.1.90, and almost certainly 2.3.x kernels).
It occurs because RealPlayer 5.0 depends on a bug in 2.0.x kernels, which is no longer present in the new kernels.
Guess the Progressive Networks people are a little too used to programming for Microsoft operating systems. With Windows, you can take advantage of a kernel bug, and feel fairly secure in the knowledge that it won't get fixed anytime soon...
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Re:Icecast (UPDATE)QT4? QT4?!?! What the hell good does it do to use a proprietary format that the intended audience cannot listen to?!?!
Sheesh!
RA is bad enough; you pretty much have to use a 2.0.x kernel to use RealPlayer 5.0.
MP3 is the most available compressed audio stream format on the Linux platform.
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The diff from 2.2.8->2.3.0
From my mirror ( ftp://ftp1.us.kernel.org/pub/linux/:
v2.3$ zcat patch-2.2.8-to-2.3.0.gz
diff -u --recursive --new-file v2.2.8/linux/Makefile linux/Makefile
--- v2.2.8/linux/Makefile Tue May 11 13:10:27 1999
+++ linux/Makefile Tue May 11 13:03:06 1999
@@ -1,6 +1,6 @@
VERSION = 2
-PATCHLEVEL = 2
-SUBLEVEL = 8
+PATCHLEVEL = 3
+SUBLEVEL = 0
EXTRAVERSION =
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Re:Threading and VMPeople who write COM objects and ISAPI extensions for NT/IIS spend a lot of time making sure that their objects are perfect
I would like to meet some of these people, as I am apparently unaquainted with them.
One of the truly *awful* thing about the whole NT/IIS infrastructure is how ASP stuff can (and does) hang inetinfo.exe. It's not dead, so it still allows a connection; it just doesn't actually do anything at that point.
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Linux Operating System (sic)
America Online is considering the Linux operating system...
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Re:OS/2 dead? Mostly.(Are you referring to Timur Tabi as the "troll"?)
How did you guess? Yeah, I think his sig is a bit of a troll.
LinuxToday.com just yesterday had a piece on OS/2 version 5, due out mid-May. Journaling filesystem and all, OS/2 is far from dead. I use it all the time, along with DOS, Linux and assorted versions of Winblows. Heterogenous computing environments rock. Cyberdiversity forever!
You don't have to expound upon the virtues of OS/2 to me; I was a long time OS/2 user, and one of my machines still runs it about half the time. It is a great all-round operating system, although lacking somewhat in stability when using PM/WPS. That said, OS/2 Warp Server for e-business and Workspace on Demand are the only versions of OS/2 5.0 that will be made available, as far as I can tell. There is nothing about any new "fat client" anywhere on the official IBM OS/2 web site.
The fate of OS/2, mismanaged, mismarketed and mistargeted as it was by IBM, is the strongest argument I can think of why open source is crucial for operating systems, and why proprietary software is a trap.
So, OS/2 lives on, a shadow of its former self, likely for not very much longer. What would be great is if IBM, after it decides that OS/2 has reached its end, would GPL what source code it can, and if some of that great SOM/WPS technology could make its way into KDE and GNOME.
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