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OP is a bit lame as it fails to even mention Pandemic Legion who
lost the 4 titans.

Pandemic Legion loses 4 titans
( contains teamspeak recordings of the attack, screenshots, chatlogs, etc...)

Bobbechk's comic strip about the event

EVE-O Uncensored Daily Political Updates (reliable source of information about EVE Online politics, updated daily.)

OP is a bit lame as it fails to even mention Pandemic Legion who
lost the 4 titans.

Pandemic Legion loses 4 titans
( contains teamspeak recordings of the attack, screenshots, chatlogs, etc...)

Bobbechk's comic strip about the event

EVE-O Uncensored Daily Political Updates (reliable source of information about EVE Online politics, updated daily.)

Background: I've been playing eve since august of 2003 with two accounts

Currently: I've cancelled both accounts due to CCP's flaccid response to the dev/gm cheating scandal

Question: Why wasn't the scandal - discovered by CCP back in the middle of 2006 - publicized and the dev (t20) properly punished (fired, per CCP policy) at that time? Why, after the scandal was publicized 6 months later haven't you taken appropriate action per your own policies and yet stretched your policies to ban the person that publicized the events? Why haven't CCP publicized the full extent of the cheating and the damage caused to the rest of the eve public?

Most of the allegations were publicized via http://www.kugutsumen.com/forumdisplay.php?f=2 but suspicions have been rampant for ages.

The allegations were confirmed by one of the dev's involved, t20, in this post: http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid =424.

CCP's limp-wristed response is here: http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid =423

BoB used same tactics during war against ASCN (they were posting private info, details from private forums, recorded and made publicly available sessions from TeamSpeak). Noone was ever punished, in any way, for publishing all those things. For all we know, they might've as well hacked the forums/TS.

When information from BoB forums was published on eve-online forums, those threads were deleted swiftly by moderators, yet other threads (which contained information about ASCN and other alliances) remained on forums. Immediately after that, new "rules" were introduced, so BoB information could not be published anymore.

BoB then started whining how Kugutsumen hacked (without any real evidence) their forums, yet Kugutsumen claims he has received forum db dumps from BoB member. Same like BoB claimed they received ASCN forums/TS user/pass combination from ASCN members.

Those db dumps contained info which leads to conclusions that devs might have abused their position/knowledge/etc.

It led to disclosure of identity of at least 1 developer, who was BoB member. CCP then decided to ban Kugutsumen and all his accounts, on basis that he published real-life info.

Leader of BoB (Sir Molle) published Kugutsumen real-life details on eve-online forums, and guess what - he hasn't been banned, he is still playing, nothing has happened to him. Explanation? "He modified the post later on, and removed the details". Never mind that zillion people read it, and that CCP's policies do not have provisional "Publish and then edit" rules about posting real-life info. For BoB, there is always a way out.

Db dumps also contained information about BoB player purchasing account for real-life cash. However, nothing happened to him either.

Db dump also contained information about BoB knowingly allowing macroers to run plexes in their space (so they could sell virtual currency on eBay, for real money). Nothing happened.

Basically, BoB is trying to pretend as if nothing ever happened, and they have never done anything wrong.

At least 1 developer has revealed his identity to BoB members, and neither BoB nor him have notified CCP about this (CCP's policy is that dev's identities/accounts must be kept secret - if they're revealed, accounts are terminated). That player (developer) was also in charge of BoB capital ship fleet.

CCP has NOT answered to many questions from EVE community. They ignored all the questions, made bold statement which says nothing, and tried to 'forget' the whole issue.

If you want to read some of the details about this, go to: http://www.kugutsumen.com/

(no, I am not affiliated with that site, nor do I really care about it - I am just glad we, EVE players, got a chance to see information about things we have suspected for a long time - especially those of us who were in war with BoB, and witnessed many many many 'strange' things which GMs would always classify as 'bug' or our 'dreams').

Apparently, the guy who blew the lid off this whole scandal just had all of his EVE accounts banned.

Hippo, glad to see you post here.

I'd say that a Malediction BPO and a Sabre BPO (in addition to several T2 Ammo BPOs) are anything but mediocre. Also, he had (according to the information obtained by Kugutsumen) at least 8 Tech2 BPOS. You and I both know that the chances of getting 1 BPO are very slim, but one single character presumably played by a dev having 8 of them is a little ridiculous. See it for yourself here:

http://www.kugutsumen.com/showthread.php?t=68

It's nice to see you try to downplay it, though. Old habits die hard, uh?

You also forget the other allegations of improper behavior by BoB members with some or full knowledge by CCP staff brought up by Kugutsumen, such as:

a) the sharing of player accounts capable of deploying cyno fields to allow 23/7 movement of BoB's capital fleet at a moment's notice;

b) 'renting out' one or more complexes in BoB's space to a known Ebay currency seller and his crew;

c) the purchase of character accounts from other players (namely DB Preacher).

This is all in Kugutsumen's posts in the forum linked above, with forum posts and PM logs (which in all honesty can be faked, but it'd require quite a bit of work).

Note that I never said that CCP employees should not play like anyone else; quite the contrary, I think that we absolutely need devs to be as active as possible to enable CCP to fix all the existing problems with EvE.
However, this particular situation (if ultimately proven truthful) illustrates an apparent lack of ethics by some of CCP's staff, and CCP's inability to control its own employees.

This is a very poor example for the regular EvE player, that spends his time grinding away missions or doing any number of tasks to try to achieve something, when ultimately he has no chance of accomplishing his goal because a character played by a CCP employee wanted to 'get in with the cool kids'.
What's the point of playing if you're gimped from the start?

Do you understand why so many are upset at these developments and how the possibility of this being true can be a major blow to CCP's credibility?