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Be let down here, and here, and here, and here, and here, and here...

I'd really like to be able to look through the rejected bin (especially if it were to be ranked, like over on the other sid^Hte), and this doesn't seem like a huge addition to the code base - it appears that slash already saves all of the postings, including rejected ones, and maintaining this could only cost a little more traffic (once it's working)...

I think when they're talking about features that cost more to maintain than you can sell them for, they're talking about features that have real on-going costs...like sending Geraldo Riviera to the middle east...

Yeh, K5 has really lost its focus. It's no longer about tech and has become a politics page. I think it has something to do with the fact that people are only going to sit down and write long articals for free unless its something they really care about or if they have to (school assignment)

Anyway, the k5 software is free and really nice. Download it and start your own tech-based site and request short articals. See how it goes, I'd probably visit.

People are posting to visit http://www.kuro5hin.org/ as an alternative to Slashdot. Here was the first story when I visited there today:

Female Circumcision - Basic Information

I think I'll be sticking with Slashdot..

People are posting to visit http://www.kuro5hin.org/ as an alternative to Slashdot. Here was the first story when I visited there today:

Female Circumcision - Basic Information

I think I'll be sticking with Slashdot..

Yeah, Kuro5hin has been planning to do exactly what Slashdot is doing. See this page for more info, but they've gone live with a subscription system.

I actually have no problem with the buy-moderation scheme. Say Slashdot sells 50 posts with an additional +1 for $5, prepaid. So some schmuck gets to post crap at an initial value of +2 (+3 if he's already go the +1 for karma). Guess what, initial scorings are not static. If it's crap at +2, moderators will knock it down to a level where it belongs. And if someone wants to buy a +2 on everything, they can pay $15 for 50 posts at either +3/+4.

One other idea that I could see working, in a similar vein, is elimination of the karma cap for paying subscribers. At 75 karma, you'd qualify to post at 3. At 175 points, you'd qualify for 4. And at 375 karma points, you could place your own posts at 5 to start (but be moderated down and lose karma for overbidding... that's why I rarely use my post at 2 priveleges).

Maybe as another tack, the user prefs could be adjusted to ignore these automatic moderations (including the +1 bonus).

But the scoop engine is great at what Skim123 is talking about: the users select the stories, and the moderation system is superior to slashdot. So instead of going to kuro5hin where you don't like the split technology/culture articles, create a slashdot clone from the scoop code.

Scoop is a wonderful engine, and quite easy to administer. You could easily have a slashdot lookalike up and running in days. And I have heard that the server requirements for scoop are lower than slash for a low-end machine -- but don't quote me on that one.

You can still pay absolutely nothing and read all the stories and/or comments. Nothing is changing about that.

That remains to be seen. CmdrTaco's article clearly says: we intend to offer additional features to subscribers, and one of the possibilities he gives is the abilility to read articles that non-paying subscribers can't read (the rejected stories bin). You can look at kuro5hin for a taste of this. kuro5hin has its own problems, mind you. And obviously in these post-dot-bomb times, finances could end up driving access to content on that site also.

that should reall be kuro5hin

Man how I wish I had some mod points to boost your post back out of the -1 hole it's in. You're dead right about k5. A bunch of know-it-alls hiding behind the anonymity of the internet to spout their self-proclaimed righteousness.

Those pretentious pricks actually posted and voted to the front page an article about how some guy died from rocking a coke machine which then fell on him. Yeah, dumb move on his part, but the guy is frickin' dead. No need to write a story about how whooptie-do smart you are and how much of a fat fucking idiot the guy was.

You've just equalled "Those who profess to hate us the most" with "those who provide us with free content". Pause a moment, and wonder if those 3% are "those who actually care". Then, wonder if maybe their ranting against you would, in a kinder environment, have taken the form of suggestions for improvement. You can only suggest something so many times and be ignored / discarded before you start getting all jiggy with it.

You're running a site where 3% of your users provide content to the other 97%. You've just said that you doubt the 3% will ever pay. Do you think they're going to not pay, and continue to provide you with free content? Particularly taking into account the "venom posted in this discussion"?

Taco, you're running a magazine of sorts. 75% of your writers and researchers are screaming their heads off at you, and your response is that you doubt they'll pay you at all. You should probably be wondering who, exactly, is going to pay you at all if those 3% leave.

It's strange that of the 3% who make this site worth visitng, probably 20% of them are no longer allowed to moderate, and 75% of them are yelling at you right now, and you're so blase about the entire affair. Aren't you just a little bit worried? Particularly if your ads are large enough to screw page formatting and make everything ugly when filtered by proxomitron or junkbuster, those 3% might not be around for much longer.

I respect what you've done with this place (aside from $rtbl'ing me and a couple thousand others), and I know this decision is driven by your advertisers, and your corporate parent, but I can't believe that what I'm saying here passed under your radar. I assume these concerns were raised, addressed, and resolved -- so tell me, what was the resolution?

I'm worried Slashdot is going to die. Assure me that this is not the case, that these new measures are not going to cause all of your unpaid content providers to scatter on the wind.

-l

So, now that /. is going to be charging subscriptions, will readers be compensated for having highly modded stories?

This is done in the magazine business. Readers digest does this for their "Humor" section. Family Handyman does it for their "Tips" section. Almost every major magazine out there has a "Readers Comments" section and most pay the ppl that provide content. That being said, there are always alternatives to slashdot .

We have:

Half Empty, aka .5e, land of the pot heads. Actually most of the people on the site are pretty cool, they're just too damn small. If you've ever seen people like BonzoEsc, Uruk, Krellis, or Nebby modded up on a comment here at /., then you know what type of people hang out at .5e.

Kuro5hin, land of the pretentious fucks. It'll probably come down to having to pay money just to avoid hanging out with these losers.

BBC News, what I believe is the most objective western news site. The problem is that there's no discussion system even worth wasting time with.

I'm going to sign up just for access to the rejected submissions bin. That's where the real news for nerds lies.

Access to the rejected submissions bin? Yes please.
Take a look at the other site. Works very well!!!!!

You might want to check out Kuro5hin although you'll have to do with "Linux 2.4.2.2... release" and "First Post"

And what's the deal with Slashdot only allowing a "select" # of articles / day. What difference does it make? If alot of stuff happens, shouldn't you have more stories anyway?

I still like reading /., though, b/c it's more news for nerds while k5, while it has it's technology and nerd news, also has a lot of political and social discussions. Oh yeah, and k5 also has subscriptions before /. did, but "subscribing" does nothing for you, really, since even if you don't subscribe you don't see any ads. (Although when k5 showed OSDN ads in the past, subscribing hid these banners...)

How about docking the congress critter's pay/pension for unconstitutional laws passed on their watch.

The way I see it, having a legislator pass an unconstitutional law is probably the best possible indicator that they are incompetent.

Yes, it is sad. Go to kuro5hin if it bothers you.

He manages to say in the same breath that while consumers are evil, we'll go ahead and latch on to the idea that less functionality is good, and moreso, that customers will eat the cost for such a machine. Oh how soon we forget the trials and tribulations that IBM went through merely trying to get a CPRM hard drive to market, and how they eventually backed down, i'm curious how Mr. valenti proposes an entire system would be willing to go the distance just to placate the film industry.

Here's a likely scenario: The MPAA has these supersecret talks with the major computer manufactuers (HP, Dell, IBM, Toshiba, Sony, etc.) and they hash out a preliminary. Word gets out to the rest of the copyright community -- Record labels, content producers -- hell even artists wanting to perfect a way for their pictures to be copy-proof on the websites -- and soon, the manufactuers are tweaking and tuning, and reconfiguring and modifying their parts in such a way that the box is nary more than a glorified television, streaming the content of -their- choice, at their discretion.

If such a system comes to be, I"ll become a luddite.

There is considerable case law regarding copyright on letters. The short story is, if you send someone a letter, they can do what they please with it.

I got email from The Center for the Moral Defense of Capitalism (they are one of the five groups that submitted public comments in Microsoft's favor). I posted it to Kuro5hin and invited them to join the discussion and respond. Instead of signing up at K5, they sent me email saying in part:

I never gave you permission to post my entire response to any public forum. On the advice of the Center's Chairman, and in accordance with copyright laws, I am now placing a copyright notice at the bottom of all my e-mails. Anyone who decides to post my responses, in their entirety, publicly, as you have, will have to get my permission to do so.

...

...

Copyright 2002, All Rights Reserved

I offered to ask the system administrator to remove the original email, but they didn't respond. They asked me to post the above email message so people could discuss my actions. I asked them if they (the CMDC rep) would like me to remove their name and contact info. They responded saying, on second thought, don't post it.

This is true...

When doing some research on what I wanted to run as my personal weblog, I looked at slashcode, scoop, PHPNuke, and PostNuke.

slashcode and scoop were a bear to get running, and slashcode was extremely slower. PHPNuke took me a total of 10 minutes to get running, was a simple interface, and was, generally, a "prettier" interface. Not only that, but both Nuke's were easier to modify, and add onto.

Nothing against slashdot, but I think other backends are just better for the majority (although I'd love to find a good J2EE weblog that was as "pretty" as the Nuke's).

(For those interested, I went with PHPNuke).

Troll? Who? I would never post a troll here. I have the utmost respect for good discussion sites!

I think Barlow has alot of it slated down pretty well. The internet is becoming less free and more commercialized. Ads are worse than ever, and we're seeing a return to something I think we left off in the 80's. It's not who you are, but what you buy.

I especially hope that people will start to reflect a bit more on theiropinions of the music industry now that JPB has said it. Royalties are bullshit. Pay for the performance, not the music.

All in all, an excellent review. I just hope this reaches more eyes than the /. community.

P.S. K5 reviewed this book back in August.

P.S. K5 reviewed this book back in August.

Good to see the trolls can rip off Kuro5hin diaries.

"surely this is just b/c the networks in China are just not that well managed yet (e.g., like @Home networks once were... ).

...and still are. I was recently switched to ATT Broadband and service just keeps getting worse.

Im surprised that slashdot is open there, and Id be curious about kuro5hin, and newstrolls as well.

The link to the story of the post of doom (from one of the ACs posting) is http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2002/1/17/21155/1564 .

Reading this and the folks getting themselves into a lather reminds me of how long I've been around slashdot, I'm starting to feel old.

Someday someone is going to give a tour of the seven wonders of slashdot, and this 800+ moderation point comment will be on that tour. Wonder what the other six might be.

Here's the link.

"Andreas(R)"'s comment #3028666 is plagiarized from http://www.kuro5hin.org/comments/2002/2/17/203032/ 375/6.

This was posted to kuro5hin as well, not too long ago.

OK, I'm done link-whoring, go about your business...

http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2002/2/18/11162/1298

While the comment obviously deserves the score, I really don't think that those who posted them deserve the karma for posting other people's work unattributed. Perhaps if one of Slashdot's editors reads this, they can take appropriate action.

JohnBE writes "'This article

as a whole.'

Its just so wrong for that scgmille to copy so blatently from that poorscgmile guy. er. wait...

This was also posted to another scoop site, kuro5hin :)

For those of you who care, Ian Clark also commented on the story himself(1 2 3 4 5)

This was also posted to another scoop site, kuro5hin :)

For those of you who care, Ian Clark also commented on the story himself(1 2 3 4 5)

This was also posted to another scoop site, kuro5hin :)

For those of you who care, Ian Clark also commented on the story himself(1 2 3 4 5)

This was also posted to another scoop site, kuro5hin :)

For those of you who care, Ian Clark also commented on the story himself(1 2 3 4 5)

This was also posted to another scoop site, kuro5hin :)

For those of you who care, Ian Clark also commented on the story himself(1 2 3 4 5)

This was also posted to another scoop site, kuro5hin :)

For those of you who care, Ian Clark also commented on the story himself(1 2 3 4 5)

This is a straight copy..paste from this posting.

http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2002/2/17/203032/375

I wanted to use Linux as a server, as it seemed to be the 'thing to do', as well as the fact that run all that cool server code that was only available for Linux, as well as get experience running a Linux box.

Having a Linux box has allowed me to have a mail/DNS server with a very high uptime, as well as a (non-porn :P) scoop site.

I'm not saying it wasn't fun, but it's not something I want to go through all the time... that's why autopr0n.com uses tomcat on windows with an M$ access file rather then on Linux with Postgresql or MySQL or something. That would probably be a better solution (and eventually I'll migrate, or at least move up to a pirated copy of SQLServer :P), but it's just a lot less of a hassle to set those things up on windows.

Though I admit it would be very nice if caffeine actually did lengthen life (as opposed ot just making it seem to be lived faster) ...

I realize you were joking, but it reminded me that I wish more people would realize that caffeine really is bad for you.

But reading that didn't do it for me. It was after I read this account of an extreme case of caffeine withdrawal that I decided enough is enough.

Sorry for straying O/T. Um, yeah, sleep! Who needs it! Life's too short! Bah! (there).

Damn...why isn't this k5

yes, as indicated by the bananna icon, Kuro5in.org catagorized this as in the topic of "Funny" (and MLP, Mindless Link Propogation).

HERE's the article itself.

...not as popular as it is here (only 63 comments so far), but then again don't most k5'ers have a grudge against /.?

yes, as indicated by the bananna icon, Kuro5in.org catagorized this as in the topic of "Funny" (and MLP, Mindless Link Propogation).

HERE's the article itself.

...not as popular as it is here (only 63 comments so far), but then again don't most k5'ers have a grudge against /.?

Actually, as I posted on K5, it looks like this might actually be a case of direct discrimination against Lik Sang. They may be denying it because of where it CAME FROM, instead of what it IS, which certainly worries me, because I was about to order from Lik Sang.

You can read and comment about DC Serial cables vs. DMCA here on /. or do the same thing with the existing thread at kuro5hin.org. I'm glad to see that he's working hard to get his story publicized!

Mark