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Re:features
So does PostgreSQL...it's called MVCC. Here's a completely random link I found which appears to explain it. http://linuxgazette.net/issue68/mitchell.html
So really you're saying, "One of the most fundimental advantages of Oracle and PostgreSQL over the others..." ;) -
Uhm, whats with the chart?
I'm looking at the all test times chart and it seems to mis-represent the time taken to cat a 1Gb file to
/dev/null http://linuxgazette.net/122/misc/piszcz/group002/i mage018.png In the last set of data points shows REISERv3 as the 4th best but... http://linuxgazette.net/122/misc/piszcz/group002/i mage017.png is showing it as the clear loser. Also, the data at the bottom of the article confirms it. WTF?? I call shenanagins (sp?) ~ELF -
Uhm, whats with the chart?
I'm looking at the all test times chart and it seems to mis-represent the time taken to cat a 1Gb file to
/dev/null http://linuxgazette.net/122/misc/piszcz/group002/i mage018.png In the last set of data points shows REISERv3 as the 4th best but... http://linuxgazette.net/122/misc/piszcz/group002/i mage017.png is showing it as the clear loser. Also, the data at the bottom of the article confirms it. WTF?? I call shenanagins (sp?) ~ELF -
Re:Games
An Exchange-killer.
Have you tried Open Exchange? Not that exchange is appropraite to a discussion on the Desktop market.
A definitely legal method of playing encrypted DVDs.
Try xine! (btw Xine is an awesome app!)
For 3rd-party companies (Intuit, Adobe, Autodesk, etc etc ad nauseum) to release either Linux or Wine-friendly versions of their apps.
If you can't find an alternative application in Linux you could always run Windows through VMWare - you can also disable network support for the VM so that you always have a nice clean copy of Windows instead of one riddled with ad/spyware! Further you'd be surprised how fast this can be, I run an AMD 1600+ with 1GB and Windows runs very fast in VMWare.
For companies like Cisco to make it easy to run the VPN Client.
Cisco VPN client for Linux!
A perfect VT220 emulator. There are many in the Windows world.
xterm & gnome-terminal can be used to emulate VT220, for the latter it's as simple as adding a line to your xresources file.
Better wireless support, both thru more drivers from "industry", and better "management" front-ends.
I think you'll find that Wireless support in terms of drivers is just as good in Linux as it is in Windows - just install ndiswrapper and use the windows drivers!
Better looking fonts. Sure, fonts are 100x better looking than they were in 1999, but they are still better looking in Windows.
If font's are so important to you, why not just use the Windows true type fonts in linux??
In my opinion the reason people don't migrate to Linux is because they either think it'll be too hard to use or, like the parent poster, they believe that Linux won't be able to do what Windows can - and don't bother to do any research as to whether they're correct or not.
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Re:4.5 years after OS X had PDF file output standa
I've used ps2pdf and various gs options with Samba to create network printers available to Windows machines that can print to to various types of tif, gif, jpeg, pdf and other printers. We use it in the IT department as a support tool for the users. Someone emails a user a visio file or some other type of off the wall file format they need to look at? First thing they do is email the IT department with something like "How do I print this?". We open our copy of Visio or whatever app we can find that works for what they have which our 1000 or so users do not have and print the file to our virtual network printers which converts it something they can print and open and use from their desktops. Sure, it is not as user friendly as converting or printing to the PDF printer that is supplied with using the full version of Acrobat but this is VERY flexible and much cheaper. Another good use is converting multi page tifs that are users recieve that are not in a standard fax format but should be. Quite often, our users recieve a two or three page tif file that is over 2MB in size but is nothing more then a black and white document and the sender used 24 bit RGB to scan it.
This link is very old but provides the basis for setting up various network printer convertors using Samba. -
Re:What exactly is "amazing" performance?
This one is pretty old review back when Reiser4 was still Experimental. More recent one would be here, but it too is over a year old.
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Re:Double your PC speed with this commandYes, and Linux learned that lesson from DOS a long time ago. Where do you think "rm -rf
/" came from?Actually, for the sake of nitpikking <g>, the 'rm' command was around a long time before 'deltree' was introduced in MS-DOS 5
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Re:Thankfully
>> Thankfully, if Adobe wants to, they could change their Acrobat license agreement to ban this sort of crap.
I'm thinking that won't happen.
Have you forgotten this unfortunate Russian gentleman already? Sure, they dropped the charges, but... -
Re:Linux/NX/AMD64
Last I checked it already was.
http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-5227102.html/
http://linuxgazette.net/107/pramode.html/
http://kerneltrap.org/node/3240?PHPSESSID=262a094f ee677def32a8cc4d1b858f99/
http://searchenterpriselinux.techtarget.com/origin alContent/0,289142,sid39_gci969248,00.html/
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Recording VNC
Slightly off topic, but I found a bug within eclipse which was more easily documented with a screen cap movie. With a bit of research, I stumbled on vncrec and vnc2swf via this tutorial. Vncrec is excellent, producing good captures in the proprietary
.vnc format, which obviously requires the viewer to have vncrec installed. Vnc2swf is perhaps a bit tricky to setup and the swf's it provides are of good quality, as shown here, and being flash(4) is nice and cross platform, relying on the ming libraries for encoding. I'm still researching audio mixing, but it should be possible to record in real-time to mp3 and multiplex into the output swf via vnc2swf's -soundfile param. Recording in this manner would be _great_ for complex api documentation, complex state-dependante bug reports, and other documentation applications. -
I Would Love To Read This Article...
but I can't bring myself to do so, knowing that they have tried to screw over the REAL Linux Gazette.
Sorry, but I just can't support SSC.
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Re:Not a clear winner
Actually, they did show that in their graphs, but didn't really comment on what it meant. [chart across all tests]
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Re:Not a clear winner
Actually, they did show that in their graphs, but didn't really comment on what it meant. [chart across all tests]
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But does it have...
a port of cowsay?
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I wrote Ostiary instead.A clever-enough sniffer could figure this out, depending on how much traffic they have to sift through. I've looked at lots of alternative but none gave me a warm fuzzy feeling. So I wrote my own.
It does have an open port. The client connects, and gets 16 bytes (sizeof(md5 hash)) as a salt. It then hashes this using HMAC-MD5 with a secret password, and sends the result (16 bytes) back. Fixed-length data all the way, essentially zero chance of buffer overruns. Essentially impossible to crack, except for dictionary attacks. So low-resource it runs fine on my Mac SE/30 webserver.
I call it Ostiary (mirror here) and I think it's damn secure.
There'll be a Linux Gazette article about it this month (Feb) when it comes out.
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Re:Strange
It wasn't the best example, I guess. I'm running Debian Unstable, and I haven't really looked very hard into what it would take to get automatic hardware discovery and config.
There is a great discussion here and I might try some of the stuff discussed there.
I think my basic point stands, however. Maybe the specific case of plugging in a CompactFlash reader works automagically now. But what will happen when a user plugs an iPod in to a 1394 port? How about a USB audio module? How about a Palm PDA cradle? This "Project Utopia" looks like it will provide a clean framework to allow the system to gracefully handle just about any hardware.
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Ownership issuesAnyone seriously interested: Please read Linux Gazette's answering of pretty much all questions raised here, and correcting quite a few few misconceptions. E.g.:
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We didn't "leave because we don't like CMSs" (Phil Hughes's claim)
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It wasn't "some of the volunteers" (Phil Hughes's claim) but rather 100% of the staff by unanimous decision
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We didn't spring the decision to move on SSC by surprise at the last minute (Phil Hughes's claim), but rather had warned them for months about what would happen if they went ahead with their plan.
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The editors moved LG to new quarters in part because SSC had said the monthly magazine would cease to exist entirely. (We had no idea SSC would change its mind later and direct uncredited SSC employees to resume producing issues at our old site.) I.e., we actually don't think it's OK to "open up a new site under exactly the same name, even using the same logo", nor were we starting "a spinoff under the same name"; it was a question of move the magazine or let SSC kill the magazine by corporate decree, according to everything they'd told us.
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Founder John M. Fisk, in 1996, transferred custody LG to SSC explicitly as a free magazine to be run in harmony with SSC's commercial magazine, Linux Journal. It was explicitly not to be a commercial property.
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You cannot "own a name": You can own a commercial brand identity, but Linux Gazette has never been a commercial offering. SSC's assertion to the contrary in its USPTO filing is materially false.
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Ownership of everything in LG is retained by each individual contributor, and issued to the public under an open-source licence -- just like with the Linux kernel
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Even successful assertion of a trademark that you prove you own lets you enjoin only competing commercial goods or services using your mark in ways likely to confuse your customers into thinking those are your offerings. SSC's attempt to misuse trademark law -- in which they showed no interest for seven years until the very day we told them we were moving the magazine -- against our volunteer magazine seems to assume we're clueless techies and ignorant of trademark law fundamentals.
Discussion of the matter has been occurring at LWN. Here are my two recent posts:
"Chilling Effects" letter received from SSC, Inc.
(Posted Dec 5, 2003 9:05 UTC (Fri) by rickmoen) (Post reply)Alan Cox wrote:
John Fisk founded Linux Gazette in 1995. He's not visibly part of either side of the argument which begs the question who did he give it to.
It's a fair question, and the top-level answer is that copyright over all content belongs to the individual authors, being published by each of them under an open-source licence (in LG's case, OPL v. 1.0, and two predecessor open-source licences for very early issues). Alan's no doubt very familiar with this concept. {grin}
Alan is of course thinking of some concept of ownership over the magazine as a whole, and that too is a fair question: The answer is that there's really nothing of that sort to own. The compilation copyright (if any) would likewise be OPL-licensed, and LG was from its inception explicitly a community, non-profit effort.
And that leaves an equally fair third question: What was it that John M. Fisk entrusted to SSC, Inc. -- subject to the promise to keep it non-commercial -- when medical school was keeping him too busy to keep things going? Please read again what John wrote: Phil Hughes and SSC, Inc. willingly assumed (and carried out admirably for many years) an obligation, a volunteer job, a custodianship.
And explicitly not over a corporate balance sheet asset, a lesson that Mr. Hughes seems to have f
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Re:People, please.Some people said that ALL of the orininal LG volunteers have left the SCC pub,
...What happened, is that the complete editorial staff (consisting of volunteers) saw no other option, then to no longer use the SSC provided webspace to publish Linux Gazette.
... after some others were forced out ...I don't know where you read that, but that is not the case.
and there are claims of re-editing of old articles without the original author's permissions.
To be more exact, there have been three things happening, you might be talking about here:
- From issue 95, "someone" removed the "Gazette Matters" section - see it here, at Linux Gazette - after publication, without consulting the editorial staff, and without any mention of it, anywhere.
- From issue 92, an artical - read it here, at Linux Gazette - was removed by "someone" again, after publication, without consulting the editorial staff, and without any mention of it, anywhere. It was only late in November, that SSC put a explanatory text instead, saying the article has been temporarily removed, "pending content review". (I can't help wonder if this means Phil Hughes has actually acted on something I suggested to him, in posts on the SSC site.)
- After SSC changed switched to the CMS, their webmaster copied various articles from issue 95 (which was then the current issue) to the new CMS, and omited copyright information on various articles. From what I can see, this seems to have been mostly corrected by now, once again, only after various people - including the editorial staff of Linux Gazette - had brought it to the attention of SSC.
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Re:People, please.Some people said that ALL of the orininal LG volunteers have left the SCC pub,
...What happened, is that the complete editorial staff (consisting of volunteers) saw no other option, then to no longer use the SSC provided webspace to publish Linux Gazette.
... after some others were forced out ...I don't know where you read that, but that is not the case.
and there are claims of re-editing of old articles without the original author's permissions.
To be more exact, there have been three things happening, you might be talking about here:
- From issue 95, "someone" removed the "Gazette Matters" section - see it here, at Linux Gazette - after publication, without consulting the editorial staff, and without any mention of it, anywhere.
- From issue 92, an artical - read it here, at Linux Gazette - was removed by "someone" again, after publication, without consulting the editorial staff, and without any mention of it, anywhere. It was only late in November, that SSC put a explanatory text instead, saying the article has been temporarily removed, "pending content review". (I can't help wonder if this means Phil Hughes has actually acted on something I suggested to him, in posts on the SSC site.)
- After SSC changed switched to the CMS, their webmaster copied various articles from issue 95 (which was then the current issue) to the new CMS, and omited copyright information on various articles. From what I can see, this seems to have been mostly corrected by now, once again, only after various people - including the editorial staff of Linux Gazette - had brought it to the attention of SSC.
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Read the history - Who is LinuxGazette ?I have said it before, and I will say it again:
This achive of Issue # 8 seems to be unclear as to what happened when they started being hosted by Linux Journal.
And finally, I want to offer a very special note of thanks to Phil Hughes at the Linux Journal. Phil is one of those infectiously nice guys that starts a casual conversation with you and after 2 hours, you're talking and laughing like life-long buddies. He's a great guy and I'm absolutely delighted that he and the folks at the Linux Journal have been willing to take over the care and feeding of the Linux Gazette.
That seems to support lg.net's position - Just a hosting arangement.
But..
So, after chatting at some length with Phil Hughes about this, I've decided to turn the Linux Gazette over to the Linux Journal. I think that the Gazette has demonstrated the "proof of concept" -- that a freely available and open-to-all online publication is a great means for sharing information and ideas. There are a number of great things that could be done with this and I'm excited about the Gazette continuing on in this tradition.
That seems to show that Fisk is turning it over to SCC. If that is the case then this is SCC's baby now. You can see in the write up where each side is getting their views
Net result, this could have all been handled with a little more tact on both sides. If SCC had just followed the wishes of the people who produced the article, this wouldn't have been a problem.
It should have been the creators of the work, the volunteers, who should have been deciding on what direction the magazine should take. Not some marketroid who found way to suck $$, or techie who felt this was his site, and wanted to put up a CMS and/or excert his power.
I from what I read of #8, I would have to say SCC has the stronger argument, even if they have the ,IMHO, worse site - I want a online mag, not a CMS.
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Precedence claimsFrom the "cease and desist" letter from SCC:
Specific examples of our use of this trademark go back to 1996Ok, but the first issue on LinuxGazette.net is July 1995, so is this claim of precedence bogus or am I missing something big here with respect to the history of this dispute?
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"Chilling Effects" letter receivedWolfrider wrote: SSC should be BITCHslapped for trying to Bogart LG's body of work and the Whole Enchilada.
Feel welcome to bitchslap them.
The other shoe has just dropped: SSC evidently feels its easier and cheaper to try to seize our domain than to file a trademark-infringement lawsuit, and they've just delivered a cease & desist letter to our domain registrar, citing their bogus trademark claim. We are of course not sitting down for that, and are drafting a response just in case SSC causes the ICANN UDRP to be applied (as may be their intent). You can see a recent version of that draft at http://www.linuxgazette.com/node/view/134/228#228 (unless SSC deletes the post).
And, yes, we have indeed posted the demand letter to the EFF's http://www.chillingeffects.org/ Web site. It'll be case #983, when available for display, there.
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Trademark law (but we'd rather just publish LG)Scarhill wrote:
The registration date is October 28, 2003, even though Linus Gazette has been publishing since '95. Sounds like SSC decided to register the trademark only when they realized they had a problem. That registration might be succeptible to challenge.
Or everyone could just let SSC, Inc. buy their $300 10-year (alleged) limited monopoly over a commercial brand identity (service mark), and just keep publishing Linux Gazette, because the one doesn't have a lot to do with the other.
Our non-commercial monthly community magazine (Linux Gazette) moved by unanimous decision of its staff to http://linuxgazette.net/ as of the November 2003 issue. For seven of the preceding eight years, SSC, Inc. was kind enough to assist LG by giving it hosting and allowing some of its staff to assist production during work hours, for which we are quite grateful.
Our decision to move was motivated by a number of things, including SSC's unexplained, unannounced, retroactive deletions from prior issues' articles, its stripping of authors' copyright notices and substitution of their own corporate one, and its proclaimed plans to make LG cease being a magazine and cease having editors, turning it into solely a dynamic Web site.
After our move of the magazine to new quarters, SSC to our astonishment produced a November issue purporting to be Linux Gazette, immediately after our November issue went to press. (This was surprising because we'd been told they intended that monthly magazine issues cease.)
To our further surprise, SSC, Inc. suddenly asserted posted "TM" symbols next to its copies of our magazine's logo, and started asserting in public that it owned trademark over the magazine "brand" identity. This was surprising because (1) SSC didn't start SSC, (2) SSC's assistance of founder John M. Fisk was specifically so that LG could remain a non-commercial community magazine, and (3) trademark is a commercial property right.
We were further surprised to learn that SSC, the day following our notifying SSC of our departure, filed a US $300 fee and application form with the USA Patent and Trademark Office asking for recognition of "Linux Gazette" as a service mark of SSC, Inc., asserting they made first use of it in commerce in 1996. This was surprising for a number of reasons: (1) The magazine was founded in 1995, not 1996 (by John M. Fisk, not SSC). (2) To our knowledge, the "mark" has never been used in commerce (and the whole idea of SSC helping was to keep the magazine non-commercial). (3) The correct symbol to use to claim a service mark (the term for brand insignia of commercial services as opposed to commercial goods) is "SM", not "TM".
Our understanding of trademark law is that, if the court judges a trade/service mark to be legitimately your property (which seems unlikely in this case) and if it's held to be validly established in commerce (ditto), then you're empowered to enjoin competing commercial interests from using that mark to sell a competing product/service, within the same trade/industry segment, in any way likely to confuse customers into thinking you (rather than the competitor) produced or endorsed it. The alleged owner is obliged to enforce this claim through civil litigation (or risk losing the mark, through it becoming generic). Federal registration of a claimed mark gives broader geographical coverage of this right.
Please note that LG (at linuxgazette.net) remains a completely non-commercial magazine, which would appear to put its operations outside the normal scope of trademark law (leaving aside questions of validity and ownership). So far, we've received no legal threat from SSC, Inc., which is gratifying -- and we're concentrating on continuing to publish the magazine as we have for eight years. The December issue -- with a CSS stylesheet facelife and nicer logo -- will appear in a few days. As always, we're delighted
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Trademark law (but we'd rather just publish LG)Scarhill wrote:
The registration date is October 28, 2003, even though Linus Gazette has been publishing since '95. Sounds like SSC decided to register the trademark only when they realized they had a problem. That registration might be succeptible to challenge.
Or everyone could just let SSC, Inc. buy their $300 10-year (alleged) limited monopoly over a commercial brand identity (service mark), and just keep publishing Linux Gazette, because the one doesn't have a lot to do with the other.
Our non-commercial monthly community magazine (Linux Gazette) moved by unanimous decision of its staff to http://linuxgazette.net/ as of the November 2003 issue. For seven of the preceding eight years, SSC, Inc. was kind enough to assist LG by giving it hosting and allowing some of its staff to assist production during work hours, for which we are quite grateful.
Our decision to move was motivated by a number of things, including SSC's unexplained, unannounced, retroactive deletions from prior issues' articles, its stripping of authors' copyright notices and substitution of their own corporate one, and its proclaimed plans to make LG cease being a magazine and cease having editors, turning it into solely a dynamic Web site.
After our move of the magazine to new quarters, SSC to our astonishment produced a November issue purporting to be Linux Gazette, immediately after our November issue went to press. (This was surprising because we'd been told they intended that monthly magazine issues cease.)
To our further surprise, SSC, Inc. suddenly asserted posted "TM" symbols next to its copies of our magazine's logo, and started asserting in public that it owned trademark over the magazine "brand" identity. This was surprising because (1) SSC didn't start SSC, (2) SSC's assistance of founder John M. Fisk was specifically so that LG could remain a non-commercial community magazine, and (3) trademark is a commercial property right.
We were further surprised to learn that SSC, the day following our notifying SSC of our departure, filed a US $300 fee and application form with the USA Patent and Trademark Office asking for recognition of "Linux Gazette" as a service mark of SSC, Inc., asserting they made first use of it in commerce in 1996. This was surprising for a number of reasons: (1) The magazine was founded in 1995, not 1996 (by John M. Fisk, not SSC). (2) To our knowledge, the "mark" has never been used in commerce (and the whole idea of SSC helping was to keep the magazine non-commercial). (3) The correct symbol to use to claim a service mark (the term for brand insignia of commercial services as opposed to commercial goods) is "SM", not "TM".
Our understanding of trademark law is that, if the court judges a trade/service mark to be legitimately your property (which seems unlikely in this case) and if it's held to be validly established in commerce (ditto), then you're empowered to enjoin competing commercial interests from using that mark to sell a competing product/service, within the same trade/industry segment, in any way likely to confuse customers into thinking you (rather than the competitor) produced or endorsed it. The alleged owner is obliged to enforce this claim through civil litigation (or risk losing the mark, through it becoming generic). Federal registration of a claimed mark gives broader geographical coverage of this right.
Please note that LG (at linuxgazette.net) remains a completely non-commercial magazine, which would appear to put its operations outside the normal scope of trademark law (leaving aside questions of validity and ownership). So far, we've received no legal threat from SSC, Inc., which is gratifying -- and we're concentrating on continuing to publish the magazine as we have for eight years. The December issue -- with a CSS stylesheet facelife and nicer logo -- will appear in a few days. As always, we're delighted
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Revision - with links!
With apologies for the original state of the posting, here is a new, revised one with full links (at least, most of them).
Summary:
1. Linuxgazette.com - originally founded by a group of volunteers.
2. SSC offered to host them, very generous and kind.
3. SSC voluntarily took over editing at some point.
4. Recently, SSC changed the entire look/feel of the site, trashed the articles at will, and basically started locking out the original founders.
5. the founders took their content to linuxgazette.net
6. SSC, in the form of linuxgazette.com, is unhappy with the .net folks for continuing to use the name. Sadly, SSC tried to trademark the name on Oct 23, 2003, the same day the founders announced the Fork.
LWN: The Linux Gazette Forks
LWN: Linux Gazette
LG: Linux Gazette, Reborn
LG: Histoy of Linux Gazette
SSC: Publisher's comments
SSC: Reply to publisher's comments
SSC: Forum: Anyone prefer the old site?
SSC: Forum: New Site!
Note on the forum links, to change the sort method, you have to edit the URL. The sort the link goes to is the standard one, to change it to the expanded list, use mode=2, etc. -
Revision - with links!
With apologies for the original state of the posting, here is a new, revised one with full links (at least, most of them).
Summary:
1. Linuxgazette.com - originally founded by a group of volunteers.
2. SSC offered to host them, very generous and kind.
3. SSC voluntarily took over editing at some point.
4. Recently, SSC changed the entire look/feel of the site, trashed the articles at will, and basically started locking out the original founders.
5. the founders took their content to linuxgazette.net
6. SSC, in the form of linuxgazette.com, is unhappy with the .net folks for continuing to use the name. Sadly, SSC tried to trademark the name on Oct 23, 2003, the same day the founders announced the Fork.
LWN: The Linux Gazette Forks
LWN: Linux Gazette
LG: Linux Gazette, Reborn
LG: Histoy of Linux Gazette
SSC: Publisher's comments
SSC: Reply to publisher's comments
SSC: Forum: Anyone prefer the old site?
SSC: Forum: New Site!
Note on the forum links, to change the sort method, you have to edit the URL. The sort the link goes to is the standard one, to change it to the expanded list, use mode=2, etc. -
More more more
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Even more info!
The first link on the main article are the SSC guys' comments on this, and the second link is the linuxgazette founders (.net) replies to his comments.
Here is a link to the linuxgazette.net with their side of the story :
Linux Gazette, Reborn
Here are two links to the linuxgazette.com forums - lots of discussion in here from both sides. Be warned that the .com folks WILL DELETE any posting with the linuxgazette.net address in it. The censor stuff as they see fit.
Forum: Anyone prefer the old site?
Forum: New Site!
Note that if you browse around the forums, a lot of things are broken. To view the forums in expanded format, most recent postings at the top, add &mode=2 to the URL. For example:
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Read the timeline for a better view:
You can read it in Linux Gazette Issue 96.
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Re:This sounds abit overblownHere's another view on things. From this view:
1. Linuxgazette.com is taken over by an entity with the power to do so. (Because it provided sponsorship and hosting)
2. The original contributors, believing themselves to be the real Linux Gazette, move the site to a different hosting service, grabbing LinuxGazette.net to use as the domain service. They feel justified in doing this because they consider themselves, the actual authors of the magazine, to be the magazine.
3. Because they believe themselves to be the magazine, they have no problems using the name and logo.
4. The sponsor and host of the "old" LinuxGazette is taken aback by this and the fact that it had less control over the magazine than it thought, and tells the contibutors to at least disassociate themselves with the original.
5. Threats fly.
I suspect the truth lies in the middle. Either way, neither has a legitimate legal claim to the LinuxGazette name unless they've negotiated with Linus Torvalds who owns the Linux trademark. The
.net people have probably the easiest exit, and therefore should probably be the people to buckle, not out of legal or (otherwise) moral requirement to do so, but to minimize confusion about what are clearly two seperate entities. That might be something as simple as calling it "NewLinuxGazette" or "RealLinuxGazette", if they feel strongly about what they see as having their publication taken from them.