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Stargate Atlantis Coming This Summer

boog3r writes "According to this and SCIFI there is a new Stargate series on its way to your local passive viewing device this summer. Quickie for all the click-deficient types: "In the new series, a secret base left by the originators of the Stargate is discovered in the most unlikely of places -- on Earth, buried among the ruins of the legendary city of Atlantis." Sounds fun to me! I found more info here and here. Take these tidbits with a grain of salt, much misinformation about the new series is circulating right now. I just hope this great franchise does not go the way of Star Trek, post Roddenberry."

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  1. SG-1 and Jack by BigHungryJoe · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I love Stargate SG-1.

    Did anyone watch the new one last night? I missed the ending. Is Jack really dead? He was my favorite character.

    1. Re:SG-1 and Jack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, Jack isn't dead. It was Dr. Frasier who died.

    2. Re:SG-1 and Jack by Xenkar · · Score: 0

      No, the doctor died. Apparently Stargate SG-1 is going the route of Enterprise with misleading previews.

    3. Re:SG-1 and Jack by MadHungarian · · Score: 0

      Yea, I'll miss Dr. Fraiser, I think she was hotter than Sam.

    4. Re:SG-1 and Jack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are nuts! Carter is an astrophysicist and a mega-babe to boot!

    5. Re:SG-1 and Jack by Spudley · · Score: 1

      Hey! Spoiler alert. :-( Some of us are still watching the previous season (...you insensitive clod)

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    6. Re:SG-1 and Jack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As I'm sure everyone else responded, no, Jack's not dead. It's...damn, I KNEW who was going to die, and it still shocked me. I was in tears. I bet it's up on suprnova by now. Grab it and watch.

    7. Re:SG-1 and Jack by Nimloth · · Score: 1

      Jack died the day they decided to pass on Kurt Russel...

    8. Re:SG-1 and Jack by Geek+of+Tech · · Score: 1

      Amen to that.

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    9. Re:SG-1 and Jack by unitron · · Score: 1

      They're both too delicious to choose between, but, oh, to have the choice.

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    10. Re:SG-1 and Jack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, no, NO! Colonol O'Neil! One L! There's an O'Neill with two Ls- he has no sense of humor at all!

    11. Re:SG-1 and Jack by Goth+Biker+Babe · · Score: 1

      id anyone watch the new one last night? I missed the ending. Is Jack really dead? He was my favorite character.

      That means you're three weeks behind the UK which is extremely unusual. Heroes (part 1) was shown 3rd February on Sky 1.

    12. Re:SG-1 and Jack by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Kurt Russell is a big-name movie actor, he's not going to appear in a regular TV series. It was inevitable that both him and James Spader, another big-name movie actor, wouldn't appear in the spin-off TV series, just as it was inevitable that James Caan wouldn't appear in the spin-off TV series of Alien Nation.

      I find it incredible that people seriously believe that getting an actor who's made it in movies (a medium within which an actor is better paid, less worked and more able to cherry pick his roles) would tie himself down to a TV show for one or more years. Sorry, but the real world just doesn't work that way.

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    13. Re:SG-1 and Jack by miketang16 · · Score: 1

      Actually, I much prefer the TV characters to the movie characters. Michael Shanks is much more believable as Daniel, and I can't think of anyone more perfect than Richard Dean Anderson to be Jack. Kurt Russell just doesn't have the same charisma and sense of humor.

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    14. Re:SG-1 and Jack by Nimloth · · Score: 1

      I'm not saying I was expecting to see him in a TV series, I'm saying there was no way for me to enjoy that character played by anyone else... Russell did a pretty good job of acting in the movie (and casting him was a great move).
      They made the TV series, obviously not willing to pay for Russell, and therefore I was deceived. Inevitable.

    15. Re:SG-1 and Jack by eunos94 · · Score: 1

      You are totally right, there is no way someone like James Spader would take a role he crafted in a movie and then mildly adapt it to a recurring role on a tv show. That's just crazy talk to believe that!

    16. Re:SG-1 and Jack by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 1

      Getting Kurt Russell to sign his name on the dotted line, assuming he was willing to sign his name on the dotted line at all, probably would have cost upwards of $500,000 per episode just to compensate him at the kind of level he'd expect to earn making movies. I don't know how much the key cast members were being paid when they signed up, but I doubt that any of them were making that kind of money when the show first started. I also don't know the budget of the show, but I doubt that it kicked of with the kind of money that, say, the various Star Trek shows have at their disposal.

      Secondly, as I mentioned before, getting an actor such as Russell to commit to a contract that had options for future series would have been nigh on impossible. No actor still (just) in his prime earning years is going to tie himself down for two, three, four or more years doing one thing, especially if that thing is going to get him typecast as that character (as sci-fi roles often do).

      You seem to forget that to Russell, Stargate was just another acting job. Expecting him to reprise that movie role in a TV series is as dumb as expecting him to play one of the Fabulous Baker Boys for seven years. You say that the producers were "obviously not willing to pay for Russell": the likelyhood is that he wasn't available at any (reasonable) price.

      Lastly, I fail to see how Russell not being in the TV series "deceived" you. Are you that incapable of accepting anyone but the original actor in a role? In that case, I suggest you avoid all post-Sean Connery James Bond movies, the Batman, Superman and Mission: Impossible films, the film adaptations of Lost In Space, Charlie's Angels, Scooby Doo, Starsky And Hutch, the new Harry Potter films, etc, etc.

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    17. Re:SG-1 and Jack by IncredibleCrisis · · Score: 1

      Yeah, like the Felix & Oscar died with Jack Lemmon & Walter Matthau, and Hawkeye & Trapper John with Donald Sutherland & Elliott Gould.

    18. Re:SG-1 and Jack by Snaller · · Score: 1

      Kurt who? James who? Haven't heard of them. What show are they on?

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    19. Re:SG-1 and Jack by coolmacdude · · Score: 1

      That means you're three weeks behind the UK which is extremely unusual.

      No it isn't. The US is usually three weeks behind the UK at this time of year. But then we get to see the whole first half of the next one first. :)

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    20. Re:SG-1 and Jack by Anonymous+Villain · · Score: 1

      TV show stars can get paid just as well as movie stars. For example look at Seinfeld who will get millions of dollars per episode for each rerun. The Freinds cast will also get several million dollars per episode. The Cheers cast also recieved several million per episode. Another example is the show Everybody Loves Raymond where the actor who plays the brother walked off over a salary dispute to up his salary to 5 million.


      For Hercules Kevin Sorbo could also recieve millions of dollars for reruns depending if he wins his lawsuit with universal. This illustrates that there is money in TV shows.


      Another example is Bill Cosby who made millions of dollars for The Cosby show.


      While Sci Fi shows probably are not on the level of a popular sitcom, it still shows that TV stars can make as much as movie stars through the reruns. Star Trek reruns have netted Paramount millions of dollars.

    21. Re:SG-1 and Jack by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 1

      Yes they can, but TV stars won't earn big bucks unless they are big names or the show concerned is a massive hit.

      When Friends started out, the cast weren't making $1 million per episode each: they've only started making that sort of money relatively recently. In fact, I remember them threatening to strike around the time of the third or fourth series if their salaries weren't increased to $100,000 each.

      The same principle is true in the case of Cheers, Frasier, Sienfeld, ER and just about any other show you care to mention. Until the audience is there, there's no way that anyone is going to earn big bucks.

      Of course, certain actors pretty much guarantee ratings and success: Bill Cosby, for example, which is why he earns big money up front.

      Coming back to SG-1, there's no way that anyone could have guaranteed that the show would be a hit, just as they couldn't guarantee the same for any of the other shows mentioned above. $500,000 per episode (to use the figure I took an educated guess at previously) is a lot of money to pay someone for a TV show that might be canned after a few weeks.

      I think you'll find that TV stars getting as well paid as movie stars are the exception rather than the rule. Even then, none of them make the kind of money that the Brad Pitts, Tom Cruises and Julia Roberts of this world can make in a year: two, maybe three $20 million-salary movies plus a cut of the gross on each for co-producing, etc.

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    22. Re:SG-1 and Jack by Nimloth · · Score: 1
      Actually I do understand Russell was never likely to star in the series, if you read my previous post you'll see I get that from the start, and never expected it. The fact that I am deceived in this case means that I thought Russell did a hell of a job in the movie, and that the character in the series is friendlier than the cold Russell I loved in the movie. That's all.

      On another note, I do believe Connery was the best James Bond, and that Keaton was the best Batman (we're talking films, Adam West wasn't bad but man that series got old quick). John Hurt sucked in Lost in Space, Charlie's Angels... I'm not even gonna get into that one *shiver*.

      Basically, some people do improve (or at least stay at the same level) with TV spinoffs, but IMHO Stargate failed.

    23. Re:SG-1 and Jack by dorsey · · Score: 1

      He's refering to part 2. The UK is about a week and a half ahead of the US. Which I like, cause I can download high quality, commercial free episodes a while before they even get around to airing them here.

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    24. Re:SG-1 and Jack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NO, Jack ain't dead. He's just still hurt. He'll be in the next Episode again

    25. Re:SG-1 and Jack by stonecypher · · Score: 1

      They pulled a standard-issue play it up like it was the main character and then kill a secondary character routine.

      No, the secondary character isn't that grunt, though; in fact, the secondary character is someone whose name you know.

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    26. Re:SG-1 and Jack by CaptainAvatar · · Score: 1

      Obviously it's matter of personal taste, but while I have a lot of time for Kurt Russell (especially his work for John Carpenter) and liked him in the Stargate film, Richard Dean Anderson in SG-1 just kills me - he's the single best thing in an excellent show.

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    27. Re:SG-1 and Jack by sleeperservice · · Score: 1

      I find it incredible that people seriously believe that getting an actor who's made it in movies (a medium within which an actor is better paid, less worked and more able to cherry pick his roles) would tie himself down to a TV show for one or more years. Sorry, but the real world just doesn't work that way.

      James Spader (The Practice), Rob Lowe (The West Wing), Martin Sheen (The West Wing), Keifer Sutherland (24), Michael J. Fox (Spin City), Charlie Sheen (Spin City and that other show), to name but a few.

      Maybe they do it for other reasons?

    28. Re:SG-1 and Jack by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 1

      James Spader's role in The Practice is not the same as his role in Secretary, as someone previously suggested here. And I doubt he's had to sign a contract that commits him for one season and has an option that secures his rights for two, three or four more seasons after that, potentially tying him down for a long time.

      Rob Lowe was sold on The West Wing because he thought he was going to be its star. Initially, the show was going to literally focus on the West Wing of the White House, with only the occasional guest appearance by President Bartlet, played by Martin Sheen, which is how they managed to snag his signature on the dotted line too.

      So Lowe was coming to a series in which he was the star, and Sheen originally signed up to do a guest appearance here and there but things changed. You'll note that Lowe left the show because he didn't feel that he was being adequately compensated.

      Keither Sutherland, Michael J. Fox and Charlie Sheen are all the undesputed stars of the shows that you mention, and are compensated accordingly. In other words, their TV gigs earn them as much money if not more than they could command in the movie business.

      You'll note that Sutherland's movie career was seriously waning before 24 came along (he's a long way from his previous The Lost Boys/Young Guns/Flatliners peak) and he got a very nice career boost from being in something as successful as 24. The same is true for Fox and Sheen, with both being a decade or so away from their best film work. Fox's health issues may have contributed to him deciding to take a TV role: living on a movie set in a trailer is a lot less forgiving than living in your own home and going into a studio to work. You'll note that his work post-Spin City has mostly been voice acting, further evidence that his Parkinson's disease is probably more debilitating than most people imagine.

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    29. Re:SG-1 and Jack by Talon0336 · · Score: 1

      By now you know the answer. Have you read up on Stargate lately at all. I usually don't myself. But I knew Jack, Carter, Hammend and Jackson was not chosen to die due to an article in TV guide a while back. I read about Atlantis and the people appearing in the series. Can't recall anything on Teal'c at the time. All I can say if Atlantis is going to survive, it had better be Awesome, or else it may die early.

  2. Step through the gate by ObviousGuy · · Score: 5, Funny

    And drown at the bottom of the ocean?

    Count me out!

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    1. Re:Step through the gate by Seek_1 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well that's why they send probes out first.. (duh!!) :)

    2. Re:Step through the gate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There was an episode that had an underwater gate. It makes me yawn at 'Stargate: Atlantis'

    3. Re:Step through the gate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well God bless you, man. It takes a strong man to eat the shit of the homeless and then come here to start a conversation.

      You're a true hero, selflessly giving against your better judgement for the sake of others.

    4. Re:Step through the gate by Kplusplus · · Score: 1

      You can't use the Stargate with both source and destination as the same planet.

      Basic gate 101, I thoguht everybody knew that.

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    5. Re:Step through the gate by Kplusplus · · Score: 1

      No thier wasn't. What you forget is that it was a planet with microscopic lifeforms that looked like water, but wasn't.

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    6. Re:Step through the gate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that was an ep of SG-1...
      these guys never seem to run out of ideas.

      I mean come on a reality show!? yes!

    7. Re:Step through the gate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have a pathetically sorry existence if this is what you consider "conversation." Seriously, turn off the computer and go outside, try and find another real person.

    8. Re:Step through the gate by Acts+of+Attrition · · Score: 5, Funny
      Atlantis? Darn. I was waiting for them to do Stargate Miami first.

      "This stargate opens into the heart of Miami, a magical world full of bikini clad women and fast cars. Oh, And the cubans are using it to escape Castro."

    9. Re:Step through the gate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Atlantis isn't in the water, it's in the clouds you silly goose!

    10. Re:Step through the gate by originalTMAN · · Score: 1

      what if the eigth and ninth chevron make that a moot point? what if the cheyenne mountain gate dies during season eight?

    11. Re:Step through the gate by Richard+A+Lake · · Score: 1

      So? Can't thay just go to a another world then back?

    12. Re:Step through the gate by Kplusplus · · Score: 1

      One gate would usurp the other, I believe in Season 3 they went over this with the russian gate. The gate with the strongest power source would be activated, like when the Russians had the DHD, it be default usurps any other dialing device so they had to be careful to coordinate all thier missions around the American stargate program's usage of thier gate.

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    13. Re:Step through the gate by KermitJunior · · Score: 1

      Actually, I thought it was the surge in power that caused the gate to jump to the second one.

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    14. Re:Step through the gate by Kplusplus · · Score: 1

      If your referring to when they discovered the second gate in the north pole, then IIRC the reason for that was the surge of power, which was siphoned off to the second gate as well as Major Carter and Colonel O'neill.

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  3. Charlston Heston by andy666 · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Charlston Heston has been predicting for years that they would do this - you think they would have done it sooner with his backing.

    1. Re:Charlston Heston by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 1, Funny

      I can't stand Charlton Heston nowadays. The guy's become a gun-nut apologist. I say damn him. Damn him to hell.

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  4. "go the way of Star Trek post-Roddenberry" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Has the Stargate series creator died yet? How is this analogy appropriate in any way if not, except to function in the capacity of allowing the author to express his/her feelings on Star Trek in an unrelated post?

    1. Re:"go the way of Star Trek post-Roddenberry" by Jahf · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Because the poster is worried that the series may have a significant drop in quality due to bad producer decisions, much like what happened to ST after G. Roddenberry was no longer in direct creative control (which started happening shortly before he passed). Many ST fans felt that the ST franchise tried to become over-techie ("Jordions") and derivative after that.

      It has nothing to do with the death of a creator, and the poster seems to have -liked- Roddenberry's direction for ST and disliked what happened after. In this case his passing is a milestone for show quality, much like we -may- be saying in 3-4 years about "boy I hope it's like Stargate -before- Atlantis".

      Personally, I don't see why "Atlantis" would need to be another show. That's one of the things I like about SG1, it has handled the various twists and turns that other shows like to use as spinoffs -internally-. However, it seems pretty clear that the writers may be about to run out of steam based on this season. I like this season (last night being an exception) overall, but it a) HAS become more star trek-like in focus and b) I don't see where the logical conclusion of SG1 would go after this season if it wraps up the way it seems to be. In which case, all "Atlantis" would seem to me to be is a way to keep the franchise going after the first series is properly finished.

      Hey SciFi ... if you want to continue a franchise, why don't you go buy FireFly and kill off Atlantis, and anything similar to Tremors. It would be nice to have that series get their real conclusion and you might almost repair the damage done with Farscape's cancellation. Now -that- is an unrelated post.

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    2. Re:"go the way of Star Trek post-Roddenberry" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, and that supposed drop happened in Star Trek when its creator died, not when "Deep Space Nine" was introduced as an additional series in his lifetime. So what analogous event has occured on the Stargate set to justify the comparison?

    3. Re:"go the way of Star Trek post-Roddenberry" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uhmmm, we're talking about Atlantis here. The series has *already* gone "the way of Star Trek post-Roddenberry".

    4. Re:"go the way of Star Trek post-Roddenberry" by voss · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The reason why the original star trek was good was more due to the work of people like Harve Bennett and DC fontana and in the movies Nicholas Meyer.

      Roddenberrys influence on TNG was more constrictive than inspirational. Wesley in the orginal character concept was supposed to be a girl...a Leslie crusher wouldnt be nearly as irritating. If you look at all the TNG and later series...Deep space 9 was the most true to the spirit of the old series with its own distinct flavor versus the blandness of the berman and braga produced series.

      Enterprise I will say is finally getting better. Enterprise should have been a great series from the start...but B&B tried to make it voyager in the 22nd century.

      The thing I liked about Stargate sg-1 is its tight writing but its refusal to take itself too seriously unlike TNG.

    5. Re:"go the way of Star Trek post-Roddenberry" by GrayArea · · Score: 1
      I like this season (last night being an exception) overall...
      Last night's episode was one of the best I've seen in all the seasons, and this season actually has some of the worst episodes, which got me worried for a time that SCI-FI had screwed up another series. I was actually taken aback by the intensity of Carter's reaction to the death of the doctor and the quality to some of the dialogue. The ambiguity of the documentary maker's intentions and the crew's reactions were nicely done. There's always some cheekiness in SG-1 and a few things that make you cringe, but I'd say the last two episodes have surpassed all the previous seasons in quality.
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    6. Re:"go the way of Star Trek post-Roddenberry" by DavidTC · · Score: 2, Insightful
      The documentary maker was amazing. You had this guy come in and be completely opposed by all the major charactors, and even seem like a jerk in way, but at some point I kinda realized he was right, and all the main characters were wrong, even if they were wrong for understandable reasons.

      It can be pretty hard to present two completely opposing viewpoints in a show, especially when one of them is being presented by a complete stranger, but they pulled it off. I kept waiting for the sterotype where he's secretly a bad guy, but he wasn't, and he had many valid points. Like the fact Hammond was just screwing with him by not letting him see any active missions, because there couldn't possibly be any security issues in tape the pentagon would review first, and wasn't even going to be published until some undetermined point in the future.

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  5. Atlantis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I thought they already found Atlantis on another world? They had Poseidin's statue at the gate and Jack got married and almost died of old age. Nanotechnology and stuff...

    1. Re:Atlantis by AndroidCat · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I thought Disney now owned all story salvage rights to Atlantis? They've done that to all the other stories that they've ripped^w adapted from stories hundreds of years old. (And then they got the copyrights endlessly extended to prevent anyone from doing the same.)

      They've just bought the Muppets too. This does not bode well.

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    2. Re:Atlantis by LouisZepher · · Score: 1

      Last I knew, Disney bought all of Jim Henson's stuff back in 1990. Unless certain portions of Creture Workshop were exempt from the deal.

    3. Re:Atlantis by Ggggeo · · Score: 1

      No, I believe that was Utopia, another term have coined from ancient Greek.

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    4. Re:Atlantis by AndroidCat · · Score: 1
      Nope--they wanted to, but never closed the deal until now. (And they bought the characters rather than the whole bag of chips.) Here ya go:
      Disney makes Muppet move The deal culminates a decades-long pursuit by Disney, which came close to acquiring the characters in 1990. The deal fell apart shortly after the death of company founder Jim Henson.

      The company then was bought by German media company EM.TV, which sold it back to the Henson family last year.

      The deal includes a four-year consulting arrangement with the Jim Henson Co. to provide strategic advice on the use of the characters and a three-year production deal to develop movies, television shows and other projects using the characters.

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    5. Re:Atlantis by vena · · Score: 1

      SG's premis relies on anchient earth civilisations being mirrored on other planets.

    6. Re:Atlantis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The copyrights only cover the unique ideas and artwork from the newer adaptations. This means that anyone who wants to make a Pocahontas, Hunchback of Notre Dame, or Little Mermaid movie has every right to do so. In fact, several companies have taken to making animated movies with these exact titles to cash in on Disney marketing. Of course, because the stories are in the public domain, there isn't a thing Disney can do about it.

    7. Re:Atlantis by DavidTC · · Score: 1
      No, that wouldn't work here, because Atlantis probably isn't a human city...it's a Ancient city. Of course, humans are the Ancients, but whatever...it not only predates the Goa'uld taking people off earth, it probably predates their entire species. We're talking millions of years old here, not the ten thousand or so the Goa'uld have been screwing with us.

      However, that wasn't Atlantis on that other planet. That wouldn't make any sense at all. Even if it was called Atlantis, which I seriously doubt, it couldn't possibly be The Atlantis, it would just be a placed named after the city.

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    8. Re:Atlantis by stonecypher · · Score: 1

      Close. The premise is that ancient earth civilizations are the societies structured according to the whims each of one, or occasionally two gou'auld. The reason the cultures are mimiced in other planets is that thouse gou'auld hold sway there too; you'll note that the randomness only applies while they're trying unknown addresses which former gou'auld have lost control of. By comparison, there are some planets where the Gou'auld have not had influence, and even a few where alternate aliens have had input.

      The only reason we didn't stagnate like those other planets is that we managed to banish our gou'auld controllers (which, over time, is starting to look more and more false; I believe we've had one all along, lying quietly among us.)

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    9. Re:Atlantis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As much as I appreciate Greek culture, IIRC Utopia was created by an Englishman, whom I will not google now.

  6. I like SG-1... by Ianoo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's much more watchable than most of the rubbish that seems to come out of Paramount's Star Trek franchise these days. I find Enterprise totally unwatchable and couldn't even be bothered to see the last film in the cinemas. I made the right decision too, cos the DVD was a major dissapointment.

    That said, I think Stargate has become too sciency/technical. Did anyone else prefer it when all the technology like the Gates themselves were much more mystical and incomprehensible? Somehow, talking about Gates and DHDs in terms of lines of software code, mathematical equations and matter dematerialisation doesn't seem quite as mystical as the original movie and the earlier episodes, where much of it was still based in Egyption mythology and the technology seemed more magical (neither human nor Goa'uld understanding how it really worked) rather than increasingly Trek-like technobabble descriptions of how things work.

    I will, of course, be watching Atlantis as Stargate and its spin-offs are still some of the most watchable sci-fi about at the moment. I just wouldn't have taken it in quite the same direction if it were left up to me.

    1. Re:I like SG-1... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, I liked the movie much more than the series and that is pretty much why. Well put.

    2. Re:I like SG-1... by Ianoo · · Score: 1

      s/Egyption/Egyptian. Maybe I ought to get a G5 so I get squiggly red underlines when I misspell something on a form.

    3. Re:I like SG-1... by FosterSJC · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's a shame my mod points just expired, as this is quite insightful. You'll notice the same demystification occurring in the Star Wars franchise... Metachloriates (sp?), little life forms, are now responsible for the force and the virgin birth of Anekin, instead of it simply being the way things are in the universe... a natural balance. But perhaps the veiwing majority prefers the tech aspect of scifi. They want to know how warp speed works and how dematerialization works, etc. Perhaps TV is itself responsible in part for taking the burden of imagination off of the viewer and putting onto the writers, etc. Special effects budgets could be better spent paying more talented writers.

    4. Re:I like SG-1... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      But perhaps the veiwing majority prefers the tech aspect of scifi.

      Nope, we don't care.
      -The Majority

    5. Re:I like SG-1... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's just hope Stargate also gets over it's obsession with always making the top scientists women, and all the men (other than the main cast) buffoons.

    6. Re:I like SG-1... by Cska+Sofia · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Actually I like the technical aspects of the show. It's done in a way that grounds the storyline in reality (as far as is possible with a sci-fi show). I think it's human nature to try and reverse engineer a technology that isn't understood; the concept of having the gate hitched up to a giant bank of computers seems realistic to me.

      After all, it's not like they understand it entirely. There's often talk of unimplemented protocols in Earth's DHD, which crops up disastrously in one of the latest episodes. This, for me, highlights one of the best aspects of the show: the fallibility. Things go wrong almost as often as they go right. There is an advancement in the plot, but in a 'two steps forward, one step back' way.

      (However, lately Carter seems to have taken on Trek-like problem-solving skills: "well, we could [insert improbable but ultimately 100% accurate solution 60 seconds after being presented with problem]." That bugs me a little.)

      I liked the Egyptian aspect, and the links with other past human cultures, but I think it would have been hard to spin that out over so many episodes, so I'm glad the show has evolved.

    7. Re:I like SG-1... by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      If you take a season to be a year, after seven years of working with something, you would think they would, to some extent, work out how the technology works. Quite a few times it has been pointed out that Earths gate does not quite work as a normal gate does, due to the lack of a DHD, and it has also been said on the show that there are rudimentary understandings of how the gate works.

      Bear in mind that one of the missions of the SG teams is to collect alien tech so Earth can protect itself from other races, again this leads us to beleive that they would actually go to some extent to learn about the tech they find.

      I think the way they have done it is very good. Treat it as magic in the first few series and then gradually explain it. Pretty much how it would work in real life, I expect.

    8. Re:I like SG-1... by Kplusplus · · Score: 1

      What's wrong with that? I rather enjoy a beautiful, intelligent woman on top.

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    9. Re:I like SG-1... by realdpk · · Score: 1

      The *only* thing that I don't buy is that the aliens mostly speak english. But I'm kind of glad they did it this way than have some universal translator technology, or have Daniel struggle to communicate with each race in every episode..

      SG-1 gets two thumbs up from me, I picked up all 5 available seasons on deepdiscountdvd.com for a good price.

    10. Re:I like SG-1... by 1u3hr · · Score: 4, Insightful
      But perhaps the veiwing majority prefers the tech aspect of scifi.

      Technobabble, not "tech". The latter implies some logic. What happens in series like Trek is that after first using writers actually familiar with SF, when they've got the format sorted out they go to using mostly mainstream ones, who who write what they know about (mainly standard plots in fancy dress) and use the SF aspects as deus ex machina. Even worse is when the actors start directing, or God help us, writing, episodes.

      Meaningless self-contradictory words about imaginary science isn't "tech".

    11. Re:I like SG-1... by SamSim · · Score: 1

      When one is writing problems and solutions to problems in a sci-fi universe, I suppose it helps to have some sort of logically consistent theory behind the science of that universe so you can decide what would, in fact, actually work and what wouldn't. Regardless of how plausible it would be in reality, it avoids continuity errors and also (I find) spurs creativity when you put your mind towards what one can do with a simple set of rules.

      I mean, if you define your boundaries of what will and won't work with stargates, then when someone comes up with something clever that you could do with them, then all the people who have been paying attention will go "Hey, that's a smart idea, I could have thought of that." Whereas in Star Trek, every time they solve a problem by - as far as I can tell - inventing a new particle, I can't help thinking it's a cop-out. And I can't give any credit to the writers or the characters for coming up with that particular solution.

    12. Re:I like SG-1... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      uhh, about that g5? just get a KDE desktop and run konqueror:
      Konqueror also has built-in spell checking, which is a nice touch for anyone who uses a Web-based e-mail client, weblog client or any other situation where you might be entering text in a form on the Web.

      safari is built on konq.

      just trying to help people save $3k!

    13. Re:I like SG-1... by bar-agent · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Star Wars fans are against the de-mystification. We're like "Midichlorians? WTF? No way, this shit is mystical, man! George, you a-hole!"

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    14. Re:I like SG-1... by cbelt3 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If my 75 year old father in law finds SG-1 his favourite show (and he's an old country kind of guy), then there is something there other than the /. fascination. Characters, storyline, a cast you 'care' about. Just like the original ST and STTNG, it's about the characters. Doesn't matter where, when, or what they are. Take 'em and stick them in a small town in the middle of nowhere, and have the situations visit them, and you get the same chemistry.

    15. Re:I like SG-1... by osgeek · · Score: 1

      (However, lately Carter seems to have taken on Trek-like problem-solving skills: "well, we could [insert improbable but ultimately 100% accurate solution 60 seconds after being presented with problem]." That bugs me a little.)

      Yeah, compare that with real-life situations of a similar nature. Take the recent re-enablement of the Spirit rover -- it too a couple of weeks for them to figure out that they probably needed to dump some files to make room in memory for regular operations. No ground-breaking new technology they were dealing with... definitely not in the time-frames that Star Trek is always dealing in.

      Nope, just a simple memory management issue similar to what many of us deal with every day... and it took weeks. I'm not knocking NASA at all. They did what they had to do and got it working. I'm just always amazed at the universe-saving technologies invented and implemented on the spot in the ST series.

    16. Re:I like SG-1... by originalTMAN · · Score: 1

      The Goa'uld would have learned human languages from their hosts. The Asguard and the Andients have visited Earth many times. Then there's the fact that Daniel is a linguist. The Aliens don't all speak english. The writers just usually leave out the parts where there is struggling to communicate.

    17. Re:I like SG-1... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stargate has been remarkably consistent and "logical" within its own world compared to dross like star trek, though.

    18. Re:I like SG-1... by ReciprocityProject · · Score: 1

      Did anyone else prefer it when all the technology like the Gates themselves were much more mystical and incomprehensible?

      Maybe, but there's a very good reason why the stargate must eventually come down to the level of mere machine. One of the basic themes of the show -- you see this with the Goa'uld, but also a few times with the Asgard -- is the very mission of the team: shutting down the false gods. For the writers to leave the Ancients and their technology in the category of mystical and incomprehensible would break that theme.

      Allowing Anubis access to the ascension process also works to shorten the distance between us mortals and the powerful, enlightened ancients. See also the ancient "time-loop-machine" episode.

      I just wish they'd hurry up and bring out these Furling dudes.

    19. Re:I like SG-1... by DavidTC · · Score: 1
      Anyone can be more consistent than Trek.

      However, SG-1 does have an amazing memory. They don't just forget inventions and events and whatnot. In fact, almost every single plotline that could have implications for the future did have implications for the future, including stuff that they could have just dropped, like the robotic duplicates (decided to keep exploring) and the Aschen (We eventually did meet them even with the warning from the future) and the Antarctic gate (way too complicated to go into) and the missing-from-the-start Earth DHD (Germans had it, Russias stole it, we blew it up.) and the alien masks for mimicing people (stolen to frame Jack for murder) and the list goes on and on and on.

      Everything gets a followup. It's much nicer than Stak Trek's 'The ship's computer can tell if someone is lying in one episode, and then they never use that ability again in any series.' crap.

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    20. Re:I like SG-1... by sorbits · · Score: 1
      However, lately Carter seems to have taken on Trek-like problem-solving skills: "well, we could [insert improbable but ultimately 100% accurate solution 60 seconds after being presented with problem]." That bugs me a little.

      Similarly, O'neal tends to be extremely dumb -- I mean, for a highly decorated military officer whom others admire based on his reports etc. he really ought to be smarter, I mean, he is really depicted as below average intelligence -- no way they would let him command the "flagship" star-gate team.

    21. Re:I like SG-1... by CaptainAvatar · · Score: 1

      I call it Planet Zeist Syndrome - meaning an explanation which is both unnecessary and unsatisfying.

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    22. Re:I like SG-1... by obeythefist · · Score: 1

      Yes, the Midichlorians are one of the big reasons I love watching Star Wars Ep1, along with Jar-Jar Binks and Anakin. These elements allow me to watch the whole movie in half an hour, thanks to my good friend, the "chapter skip" button. And it really is a great half-hour movie!

      Let's look at the defence for Lucas, and I don't really think he deserves much, but we must try and do what we can to save the SW franchise.

      1) Anakin's "virgin birth" was not attributed to midichlorians. People just make that leap. Nobody expected the Stormtroopers were all Maori either. Lucas isn't walking a straight line for the audience. Also, there's no mention of Shmi being a virgin. She was a slave, I really doubt she was a virgin at all. Anakin just didn't have a father.

      2) The only Jedi to ever mention Midichlorians and think they were important was Qui-Gonn, although Obi-Wan was aware of them. Qui-Gonn is also the only Jedi concerned with the "Living Force", which for all we know is totally different again to the conventional Force that Yoda is always going on about.

      3) Lucas has widely dropped the whole Midichlorian thing to the wayside. It's his story, he can represent it how he wants, and his ideas change as he goes. If you read the Starkiller drafts, originally the Jedi Bendu used a totally different force energy to the bad guys, who use something called the Bogan. (I crack up every time I hear the term but Lucas really did call it that).

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    23. Re:I like SG-1... by LurkerXXX · · Score: 1
      "It began 3000 years ago, on the planet Zeist"

      How many times in movie history has a single seentence uttered 5 minutes into a sequel utterly destroyed the basis of the (great) original movie, as well as condemning all future movies in the series to the bottom rung of b movies?

      Sorry to be off topic, but you reminded me of something I was trying desperatly to forget.

    24. Re:I like SG-1... by CaptainAvatar · · Score: 1

      You've nailed it on the head; but it's utter awfulness is why we should never forget it. You know, those who forget the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them, and so on :)

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  7. SciFi Channel ... by SimplyCosmic · · Score: 5, Funny

    No thanks, I've pretty much ignored anything from the network that killed Farscape so that it could pay for Tremors: The Series.

    1. Re:SciFi Channel ... by FattMattP · · Score: 1

      SCIFI killed Farscape to pay for that awful Tremors show?! Oh God. I was sad that Farscape was canceled but now that I know why I just want to hang my head and cry. There truly is no justice in the cable world.

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    2. Re:SciFi Channel ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep - and they also cancelled the mooted "Babylon 5 - Legend of the Rangers" series to do the Galactica remake!!!

    3. Re:SciFi Channel ... by jmelloy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think SciFi paid for an entire season of Tremors for the price of one episode of Farscape.

    4. Re:SciFi Channel ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the Legend of the Rangers pilot movie was any indicator of the coming show, it would have sucked. On the other hand the B5 pilot movie was horrible and the entire first season was pretty crappy. Only from the final episodes of the first season things started to get interesting, after that it just rules.

    5. Re:SciFi Channel ... by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      Then they were ripped off.

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    6. Re:SciFi Channel ... by ran6110 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and now they cancelled Tremors so they could keep Scare Tactics on.

    7. Re:SciFi Channel ... by Zonekeeper · · Score: 0

      Lets see... they canceled Farscape to pay for Tremors: The Series ...Aim at foot, pull trigger.

      So then they cancelled Babylon 5: Legend of the Rangers to pay for a Battlestar Galactica remake which is totally different from the actual story of Battlestar Galactica...Aim at remaining foot... pull trigger again.

      What body parts are you going to start picking off next, Sci-Fi Channel?

    8. Re:SciFi Channel ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      frelling right you are!!!

  8. Wait and see by ducomputergeek · · Score: 4, Insightful

    SG-1 is one of my favorite shows these days. That and the Simpsons are about the only shows I watch other than the News and Jay Leno. I've missed about 3 seasons while I was in college, but making it up when I catch a show in sydication now and then. One thing that made SG-1 cool was it was actually orginial. Sure, same old sci-fi themes, but the casting was a good mix and the writing has generally been fair as well. Richard Dean Anderson's character was a complete departure from the movie, but his character is pretty funny.

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    1. Re:Wait and see by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are a DU Computer Geek! You must like cow porn!

    2. Re:Wait and see by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I only watch "Stargate", "The Simpsons", and "Curb Your Enthusiasm". Watch the CYE episode "The Doll" (from Kazaa) and you will be hooked too.

  9. Re:SG-1 and Jack *Spoiler* by Zebra_X · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I mean, really Stargate isn't all that "good" as far as TV goes, but for some reason, I too love Stargate.

    I did watch it last night, it was a little disappointing. It was way too sappy for this Geeks taste. They made it *seem* like jack was dead, but he is alive. Dr. Frasier died. Too bad really, she was a good charachter.

  10. Well thanks for that well-argued critique. Not. by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 4, Informative

    Yeah, thanks for contributing to this discussion. Not.

    SG-1 is amongst the better sci-fi productions being made right now. The show's not perfect by any means, but for the most part it's well-written, well-acted and great viewing. The storylines and the on-screen chemistry of the team are second to none at the moment: I'd rather watch SG-1 than the dirge that is Enterprise any day of the week.

    If it's not to your taste then I don't really care. Plenty of people disagree with you.

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    1. Re:Well thanks for that well-argued critique. Not. by _Neurotic · · Score: 1

      You know what? You're right. I shouldn't have posted so hastily. I basically threw out my gut reaction in hopes of getting a first post. I know, I know, lame... Sorry.

    2. Re:Well thanks for that well-argued critique. Not. by geekoid · · Score: 1

      "...but for the most part it's well-written, well-acted and great viewing."

      no, it's not. I think you desire to have good sci-fi has overridden your good sense.

      The dialog is usually slow, predictable and ho-hum. With occasional humorous lines.

      The acting is just short of there lips moving to the otehr charaters lines.

      Watching overlook the incredibly obvious in every episode is just painfull.

      sadly this:
      "SG-1 is amongst the better sci-fi productions being made right now."

      is a very true statement.

      If you don't care, then why are you posting?

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  11. Movie was an Emmerich/Devlin disaster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And the series is actually good. You're mixed-up.

    1. Re:Movie was an Emmerich/Devlin disaster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      OK, you got me into my rant.

      I recently watched the movie. Now, lets not get into plot, because they are both sorta close (free enslaved people on distant planet, solve issues, bla bla blah..) But:

      1. Sand. The movie had real sand for crying out loud. Dunes even! How often did the series have that?

      2. Head Masks (the helmets of the jaffa) Eagle, Jakal, Egyptian tomb pharoah.. Where are they now? In the movie, they were a major plot device for keeping the inhabitants of Abidos alive. Now, they arent EVER used. It seems more of a Mob type bullying than Alien Domination..

      3. Umm If the Pyramids are used as landing pads for aliens, then why arent there any pyramids on any other planets? Was Ra so different from the other system lords? (Besides the stupid Micheal Jackson kid pedophilia thing..)

      4. The Music is better for the Movie than the Series. The series music coordinators couldn't make me like the music, but after watching the movie again, I'm surprised that they are so different, yet so similar.

    2. Re:Movie was an Emmerich/Devlin disaster by kfg · · Score: 3, Insightful

      5. The planet had two moons, and they were both ours.

      They kinda lost me right there. Suspension of disbelief went all poof and shit. This is one case where I think they coulda taken a little from the real sand budget and used it for a bit of cgi.

      Most of the rest of your complaints reverse my issue. The movie had a big budget for sets, music, location shooting, etc. Yes, in some respects it is stunning.

      The TV series is, well, a TV series. But the stories are overall better, the acting is decent and RDA has really come into his own.

      On the whole this is one of the few cases where I think the series surpasses the movie by a fair margin.

      KFG

    3. Re:Movie was an Emmerich/Devlin disaster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, a lot of things were changed to make the budget smaller.

      1. Sand. The movie had real sand for crying out loud. Dunes even! How often did the series have that?

      Only when they go back to Abidos (the movie planet). They justify it in the very beginning of the series by saying that Abidos must have been an exception. Whatever. Filming in sand must be helll on the crew and equipment, so I don't mind. Besides trees and cover make for more interesting props/backgrounds. And it's easier to suspend disbelief when you don't claim every race has to survive a cruel desert.

      2. Head Masks (the helmets of the jaffa) Eagle, Jakal, Egyptian tomb pharoah.. Where are they now? In the movie, they were a major plot device for keeping the inhabitants of Abidos alive. Now, they arent EVER used. It seems more of a Mob type bullying than Alien Domination..

      Actually they are used pretty often. Only the god's private guards wear them (Teal'c has one he puts on when going undercover). The difference is that they open the mask whenever they talk, which makes it easier for the actor to, well, act, but it goes against the movie's idea of not letting people know they're just humans. I don't like the change, but it would look pretty silly to see a bird-costume with the voice of Teal'c coming out of it.

      3. Umm If the Pyramids are used as landing pads for aliens, then why arent there any pyramids on any other planets? Was Ra so different from the other system lords?

      Dunno. Budget aparently. They never needed that really. None of the system lord land. They use small cargo ships or the transporter rings. Maybe Ra was different from the other system lords as you say. Doesn't really matter, does it?

      4. The Music is better for the Movie than the Series. The series music coordinators couldn't make me like the music, but after watching the movie again, I'm surprised that they are so different, yet so similar.

      Yeah well. What did you expect? Made for TV!

      (A couple months ago someone posted a link to a preview for the movie Sky captain and the world of tomorrow, and the theme song going in the background was the SG-1 theme. That was extremely distracting while watching something completely different)

      Anyway, overall I think they're doing a good job so far. The special effects are not top notch, but they are good enough for most cases. Their budget must be 10 times smaller than farscape's, even if the show is only half as good. Most of the things you mention wouldn't make the show dramatically better, so I don't mind the producer's decisions in this respect.

  12. OK, Bruce, just swim right here... by wowbagger · · Score: 5, Informative

    The thing I like about Stargate:SG1 is that it is relatively sensible about its science and proceedures - these people really act more like military people than certain other shows I could name.

    However, this sounds suspiciously like we might be calling upon the services of Bruce the Shark fairly soon - will somebody help me set up the ramps?

    1. Re:OK, Bruce, just swim right here... by Richard_at_work · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I personally think that this show could pull up some suprises. SG1 is pretty much all about introducing us to the concept, and fighting the Goa`uld, which they are just about done doing. Atlantis could go in a different direction, finding out more information about the stargate network (There are 9 chevrons on the stargate, 7 are in normal use, 1 more was activated to meet the Asgard, whats the ninth for?), discovering stuff about the ancients (it was surmised in one episode that modern humanity could be descended from a pre ascended ancient species, i would like to see more on that).

      SG1 went military because thats where the film left off, Atlantis can be trememdously different.

    2. Re:OK, Bruce, just swim right here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      funny that you mention that. they actually have air force public affairs folks giving advice and correcting errors. air force chief of staff general jumper was even in an episode. so was an honor guard. YEAH THAT'S FUCKING AWESOME

      it's surprisingly accurate about the air force.

    3. Re:OK, Bruce, just swim right here... by ender81b · · Score: 1

      Not to be a spoiler but the last episode in teh 6th season revealed that the ancients where in fact ancient humans ;).

    4. Re:OK, Bruce, just swim right here... by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      Uhm, that was kindof my point :P

    5. Re:OK, Bruce, just swim right here... by wolverine1999 · · Score: 2

      I'm writing fanfics where the Ancients were descended from humanity, many years ago... only the Ancients call themselves Gallifreyans...

      my fanfics

  13. Last episode is 7x19 not 7x18 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dr Frasier died one episode before, 7x18. Last episode I've seen is 7x19, something about a human gouauld hybrid girl.

    Stargate is getting worse. Last acceptable season was #5. They should cancel the series.

    1. Re:Last episode is 7x19 not 7x18 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Last episode in the states was 7x18, we're a week behind the UK releases

    2. Re:Last episode is 7x19 not 7x18 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Stargate is getting worse. Last acceptable season was #5. They should cancel the series.

      Amen to that. Just once I'd like to see sci-fi show be ended with a good season. Instead we are treated to Buffy season 7, or Farscape season 4, or the last season of X-Files, or Red Dwarf, and don't forget Enterprise season 1.

    3. Re:Last episode is 7x19 not 7x18 by Kplusplus · · Score: 1

      Yes, Season 5 was the best season to date, but guess what the Series must continue and Season 6's problem was the lack of Daniel Jackson. His ascension though great for him, was a problem for the rest of us in that now he was gone from the series. The second problem was the new focus on Black ops and government conspiracies, This is not the X Files, I don't need to see one show done badly inside of another. This brings me too the new Star Trek like arc with the X-303, again, I don't need to say one show done badly inside of another.

      That said, I am actually looking forward to Atlantis, as it splits the series and hopefully puts all the BS that's not part of Stargate into another Series, then if it did badly the writers would come to the shocking realization that Stargate != Star Trek != X Files

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    4. Re:Last episode is 7x19 not 7x18 by Lord+Apathy · · Score: 1

      I'm reluctant to agree with you. I've been watching SG-1 since it first came on showtime. Hell, I have seasons 1-5 on dvd and love the show. Yeah, I have geek tattoo'ed across my forehead.

      Anyway, I enjoy the show alot but I think it's time to end the series while its still good. Word had it season 6 was supposed to be last, I heard and I wept. Then there was a season 7 and I rejoiced. Now I heard that season 7 was to be the last and I rejoiced, then I heard there was to be a season 8 and I wept.

      Needless, some of the season 7 ones have been pretty good. But not matter how many season the harp on I will watch.

      I don't mind the spinn off. Stargate Atlantus sound pretty good. I just hope it don't go on to become as bad as Star Trek is.

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    5. Re:Last episode is 7x19 not 7x18 by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      I havent heard of a season 8, got any links on that? (Not doubting, just truely interested! As far as I knew, the end of season 7 was it).

    6. Re:Last episode is 7x19 not 7x18 by Lord+Apathy · · Score: 1

      Don't have any links off hand but do a search on jack o'neil or richard dean anderson. use the words "leaving" and "stargate" on google and it should be the first or second page.

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    7. Re:Last episode is 7x19 not 7x18 by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 1

      i don't know, i just caught 7x18 and it seemed like they were focusing more on JAG style military drama than they were on scifi. Which in all actuality wasn't bad, it gave the series a bit of flavor I never would've expected from MacGuyver.

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    8. Re:Last episode is 7x19 not 7x18 by Snaller · · Score: 1

      No, there will be a eason 8, they start shooting in a month. Because despite what some people are bitching about here, the ratings have been great for scifi. Stargate keeps being one of their highest rated shows and they've really been pushing to keep it going (the latest episode was directed by Amanda Tapping and written by Michael Shanks!) However Richard Dean Anderson is getting a bit tired about it all, so his part will be reduced next year. There is a rumour about that at the end of this post.

      As for facts its pretty well known if one reads abit about it in the stargate newsgroup, or alt.tv.stargate-sg1 or on http://gateworld.net/

      **************** Rumour follows ******************

      (Sorry can't really move it down because of lame slashdots lame filters

      The rumour is that General Hammond wil retire, and Jack will be promoted and take over his position. ie, he'll stay home and mind the store while the 3 others go on missions. Rumour has it that the fourth position won't be filled.

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    9. Re:Last episode is 7x19 not 7x18 by Snaller · · Score: 1

      Well, regardless of the internet bitching the ratings have been great. THAT is why there was a season 7 and, why they are making season 8. Almost the entire season 6 finished as the highested rated program of the week for scifi. Most of season 7 so far has also done very well in the ratings. They love Stargate, even though some fans don't like change. I don't mind change, change is ok if its done right.

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  14. The first series is BAD, now another one???? by in_ur_face · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I'm sorry but my roomate LOVES Stargate.... I cant stand the show. Take this as a rant but does anyone else think the series sucks? Bad acting, lame plot, etc...

    Dont get me wrong but I agree most SCIFI series are lacking now; ever since STNG ended they just fell. Voyager was "OK" and enterprise just rates next to Stargate.

    This is just my opinion, seeing if other agree or maybe I'm just way out in LH field on this one. I just cant see how ANOTHER series based on this is coming.....

    Please dont take this as trolling or whatever they call it now.

    1. Re:The first series is BAD, now another one???? by Seek_1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      >>Dont get me wrong but I agree most SCIFI series are lacking now; ever since STNG ended they just fell.

      I guess you didn't watch Farscape then eh? If you like Sci-fi at all, you'll want to check that one out. If you don't, then quit saying that all the Sci-fi shows suck since it's obvious that you won't like them anyways.

    2. Re:The first series is BAD, now another one???? by glpierce · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, the acting has been poor (it improved as time went on; watching Teal'c from one of the first seasons is unbearable). At least half the plots are lame, yes, but the other half (or quarter, third, etc) are relatively original (which is very rare in sci-fi). The one thing that is great in SG1 is character development. If you forget the first few episodes and movie (which don't make sense with the later ones, anyway), the characters are extremely complex yet perfectly consistant. I really can't name any show/movie that has had characters as well-crafted. I tip my hat to the writers for their work in that department (but not for plots, which have been on a downward slide for years).

      That said, I have no intention of watching the spin-off. Not only will it lack the characters which had been molded to perfection over years, but they're clearly running out of plotlines.

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    3. Re:The first series is BAD, now another one???? by dan+dan+the+dna+man · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's funny how people split on this divide. I love SG-1, I think its one of the best bits of Sci-Fi programming in years, I rate the series way more than I rate the film. I think Enterprise and Voyager are the best of the Star Trek canon. I couldn't stand Babylon 5 or DS9 (ST:NG got was especially ropey at points) and I think Farscape is simply the most ridiculous nonsense masquerading as Sci-Fi. My sister lives for Farscape and thinks its the best thing every to appear on TV. Horses for courses I say. One mans poison etc...

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    4. Re:The first series is BAD, now another one???? by AnalystX · · Score: 0

      I think many may be missing the point of some science fiction shows. This series is more about science fiction than science drama. I suppose some people don't know the difference between clever, in-character acting, from bad acting. This is a cast of characters acting as military explorers, not acting as actors (as one might find in a science drama like Farscape).

    5. Re:The first series is BAD, now another one???? by Cska+Sofia · · Score: 1

      Since the premise of the new show is (according to the writers) non-military, I'd imagine that SG-1 plots or lack thereof would not apply.

      Then again, I don't think SG-1 has a significant problem with plots.

    6. Re:The first series is BAD, now another one???? by fatboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I suspect the reason you like the shows you do, is because the ones you like are what I call 'episodic television'. Bab5, DS9 and Farscape require that you see many more episodes to fully understand what is going on. Enterprise, Voyager and SG-1, for the most part, can stand on their own as single episodes.

      Not that one is better than the other, I like all of those shows. My favorites are DS-9,SG-1,Farscape and Bab-5, in that order.

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    7. Re:The first series is BAD, now another one???? by dan+dan+the+dna+man · · Score: 1

      Hmm I hadn't considered that - I do like TV I can dip in and out of. I don't actually watch much TV (probably 2 hours a week) so following long lasting story arcs really doesn't appeal.

      I have to say though - I missed 24 when it came on TV, there's no way I would be able to say I will be in 24 consecutive weeks to watch something like that, but I'm now devouring it on DVD completely hooked. Maybe I'll score some Farscape DVD's off my sis and see if it improves my appreciation.

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    8. Re:The first series is BAD, now another one???? by Kplusplus · · Score: 2, Informative

      Your an idiot sir, the show is so loosely based on the movie. The show is several magnitudes better than the movie was, normally when I introduce people to the series I present the movie as if were merely a history book. The movie was mediocre, but the TV show was initially a Showtime creation. Quality Sci Fi.

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    9. Re:The first series is BAD, now another one???? by vena · · Score: 1

      well i think the divide is that we're looking at these programs as sci-fi or not sci-fi. sci-fi is just a vehicle for the drama. i didn't like babylon 5 because i don't like soap operas. i liked farscape because you could pick it up whenever and just enjoy the action. i didn't have to commit to watching it.

    10. Re:The first series is BAD, now another one???? by maxpublic · · Score: 1

      Chalk me down as completely disagreeing with your assessment of the actors. The ability of all the primary players is far beyond what passes for 'acting' on most major networks, and most popular shows (e.g., Friends, Seinfield, etc.). None of the hacks on these idiotic programs could hold a candle to the folks on SG-1 on even their best day.

      I'm always amazed at what I sometimes catch on the major networks. So many shows are such crocks of shit, featuring no-talent morons barely able to repeat a few lines of dialogue in any one scene without getting confused. And yet these shows go on...and on...and on...which actually isn't surprising, when you consider who the fan base is.

      Max

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  15. Re:Brilliant, just Brilliant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You may be interested in visting Anti slash. We know how you feel!

  16. Scientists vs soldiers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sure, soldiers should do scientific research and scientists fight wars! Great! Stoopid show!!!

    BTW, I am a scientist, not a soldier

    1. Re:Scientists vs soldiers by Kplusplus · · Score: 1

      Umm... the military does have civilian consultants. And the military also does have soldiers whose capacity is partially scientific.

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    2. Re:Scientists vs soldiers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The movie rocked the series when comparing military correctness.

      Secrecy, not discussing plans to everyone..

      Saluting! OMG there isnt any in the series at all?!

      Then again, these are air force personell. You'd probably get a better shot of them all watching tv while guarding the airplanes and nukes.

  17. Why do SG1 fans compulsively rip Star Trek? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Keep in mind that SG-1 is in a completely different situation than Enterprise. It started on a pay cable channel and now exists on a cable channel devoted to science fiction. Enterprise started on a broadcast network and still exists on a broadcast network as the only science fiction show. Its lead-in/outs have been pro-wrestling and African-American comedies. Stargate not only can produce lower ratings and get away with it, it also is the centerpiece of a sci-fi lineup on a sci-fi channel. And, unlike Enterprise, it has the bonus of being in syndication. Enterprise usually airs only a couple times a week, while Stargate is relatively ubiquitous.

    I'd also rather watch SG-1 than Enterprise for the most part... if I existed in some bizarre hypothetical world where those were the only two options. In the real world, I find both to be acceptable, and better than most stuff on TV.

    1. Re:Why do SG1 fans compulsively rip Star Trek? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      SG-1 fans rip Enterprise, Start Trek fans rip Enterprise. Many people with different tastes hate Enterprise because it sucks so much. Except for morons.

      Maybe it looks like just SG-1 fans bash Enterprise because you haven't looked at any Star Trek fans' take on it.

    2. Re:Why do SG1 fans compulsively rip Star Trek? by AnalystX · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'm not sure where this blanket statement (in the form of a question) is leading? It's funny that two assumptions are made in that one question too. The first being that SG-1 fans collectively give opinions regarding Star Trek. The second being that the Star Trek you refer to is Enterprise and not some other Star Trek series.

      Personally, I am a huge SG-1 fan. I watch the episodes as they appear on television, and I own all the DVD box sets currently out. I watch Star Trek:TNG almost everyday and feel that it is one of the best science fiction shows ever produced. I really enjoyed Star Trek:Voyager when it was on and am looking forward to getting the DVD box sets. I like some of the characters on Star Trek:DSN, but as a whole, I didn't like to watch the show that often. The original Star Trek series introduced interesting plot devices, but just as the stereotype was set for William Shatner (Captain James T. Kirk), he really didn't contribute much in the way of acting like a real captain. He had his moments, but largely he acted like William Shatner on screen. Star Trek:Enterprise also has good plot devices and even sometimes a good story. The characters are still somewhat new, so I expect it will take a couple more years (just like Voyager) to form into something palatable for more people.

  18. Stargate SG-CHEAP? by Wag · · Score: 2, Funny

    Are they setting this show all on Earth so they don't have to pay for expensive sets?

    If anything I'm happy this show will get the rest of SG-1 DVD box sets out faster.

    1. Re:Stargate SG-CHEAP? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      < How about a boxed set of cowporn? >

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    2. Re:Stargate SG-CHEAP? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      They are sharing sets with SG-1 down in Bridge Studio's here in Vancouver and so far by looking at the rigging setups looks like they aren't going the cheap route. One of their sets is one they have taken over from Blade 3 named the "Phoenix" set.

    3. Re:Stargate SG-CHEAP? by iansmith · · Score: 1

      Read the press release. Much of the action will take place in a "far away galaxy" with a new threat, so expect lots of new sets.

    4. Re:Stargate SG-CHEAP? by kinzillah · · Score: 1

      There was a Blade THREE?! :(

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    5. Re:Stargate SG-CHEAP? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you bet there was. the production manager george grieve usually does TV series so he was pretty tight on the budget so don't expect much :)

  19. Even worse... by Nimloth · · Score: 3, Funny
    "I just hope this great franchise does not go the way of Star Trek, post Roddenberry."

    Or Rodenbury post Star Trek...

    1. Re:Even worse... by calica · · Score: 1

      I assume you're refering to Earth Final Conflict. I rather liked the show, but it was impossible to watch sequentially, The syndication schedule seems random, and that was with a season pass on Tivo!!! That's where the show failed.

  20. Re:SG-1 and Jack *Spoiler* by MurphyZero · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yes, they did try to lead you early on to believe it was Jack, but as soon as they showed the video on the planet with the injured soldier and Janet, and how the reporter was talking, I got the hints that it was Janet that died.

    My wife asked why would they kill her off. I told her probably cause she is headed to do something else. Janet was a decent character, but she was often just a bit character in the show. If they want a beloved character to die, but cause the least impact to the show, Janet was the one. In addition, notice how Cassandra was handled. Samantha mentions her, but she's never shown. I wonder if they even tried to get the actress who played her in for a brief cameo.

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  21. Re vs Blue by Rhinobird · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I think like episode 8 of red vs blue, they said one of the charachters was gonna die, made you think it would be the yellow dude, but it turns out it was one of the blue team.

    I just liked the ending of that episode.
    "next time on red vs blue some one (griff) will (griff) die (griff: what?) fade to black...sarge: i sure hope it's griff.

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  22. Then again.. by Kjella · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...in Stargate, that is a rather natural development. We've got this lots of wierdo alien tech, where the Stargate is just one, that we don't really understand, wouldn't there be a buzz like hell to figure out wtf all this really is? Whereas in Star Trek the "tech" is just part of the setting.

    Human science would leap tremendously, once you know it *is* possible and can observe it rather than speculate. Most great scientific break-throughs aren't really that hard to replicate, once they've been discovered.

    Yes, I admit in some ways it is changing the show. On the other hand, if it had stayed "Well we go through this gate, and then we're 4 people exploring ruins/blowing up aliens of the day" I imagine that'd be pretty worn out by now, at the end of the 7th season.

    No matter what direction, the most important thing is direction. There's nothing I hate more than a series where you can miss 10 eps, and still be just where you left off, same everything. And to make Stargate work, they need bigger and worse enemies. And to do that, the SG crew need more and better tech. You can't fight for the fate of the universe with rifles and hand grenades, or at least not just that :D.

    Kjella

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    1. Re:Then again.. by Jerf · · Score: 1

      I agree with most of that.

      One of the things I've wondered, and I continue to wonder, is how long they can "keep the secret". Sooner or later, the public will know.

      What do they do with the series then? It compromises the "vision" of the series beyond any redemption once the general public knows. One of the most enjoyable aspects is how it is set in today, but a "today" where the public knows aliens exist is no longer "today". While it is not completely impossible they'd manage to maintain the quality, I am concerned that they would rapidly become Just Another Sci-Fi show.

      (Comments from the peanut gallery that they already are may be directed to /dev/null; this message isn't written for you.)

      And the longer they keep this massive secret, the more unbelievable it gets, too; for you fans, think about it. There are any number of episodes that would have given the secret away in the real world. In particular, the black hole episode would have been a dead giveaway (the atomic clocks we have today would be sensitive enough to notice some seriously wierd shit went down, and some civilian scientists should have rapidly been able to pinpoint Colorado, possibly even Colorado Springs as the source), and eventually the episode where the same day repeats for months would be a dead giveaway when the light sphere from the edge of the disturbance reaches Earth, and suddenly the entire Universe seems to jump forward six months, which astronomers would notice. And again, they'd have enough info to pinpoint the source planet, which wasn't Earth but would still prove alien intelligence. That was what, three years ago and we were on the edge of the disturbance, it's quite likely that we'd have seen that effect by now.

      As much as I love SG-1, and I will give Atlantis its fair chance, I am seriously concerned that at least from my (freely admitted selfish) perspective, the best thing they could do would be to bring the series to some sort of closure and cut it off, why they are still ahead. Basically, the story just becomes too damn big. Star Trek worked best when it was "The Adventures of the Enterprise"; the more it became "The Adventures of the Federation and the Politics of the Alpha Quadrant", the suckier it got. (It suffered from other problems too and it's anyone's guess which are the most fundamental.) To date, SG-1 has largely been "The Adventures of SG-1" and to a lesser extent, "The Adventures of Stargate Command". As more and more of the world "knows" the truth about the universe (the Russians, more countries, more people, more chunks of the American government), the story just gets too big to keep track of in any reasonable sense.

      (It is my considered opinion that an excellent team of writers could pull a Star Wars on the story and deliberately write just a slice of the story. As much as I disliked Star Wars I, I really felt that it managed to hint at the size of the Star Wars galaxy in a way that no other Star Wars did, with the shots of Coruscant, the Senate, and a few other quick little strokes that were largely missing (IMHO) from the other movies. Stargate might be able to survive this. Basically, this would go from telling "the whole story" to something more like what you'd expect from a documentary of, say, SG-11; just a slice of the action, because in a universe as big as ours that's all we need, we have no hope of processing the whole story. But to get there from here would take some very, very careful and considered writing. Considering the obvious fact that the Stargate staff is deliberately avoiding many of the more hackneyed Stargate cliches, there is much more hope that the Stargate franchise, if they hold on to their writers, will be more likely to pull this off then the Star Trek franchise could dream of (barring a complete personnel change). But I still consider it slim odds; it's a hell of a transition.)

    2. Re:Then again.. by The_Laughing_God · · Score: 1

      [i]As much as I disliked Star Wars I, I really felt that it managed to hint at the size of the Star Wars galaxy in a way that no other Star Wars did, with the shots of Coruscant, the Senate, and a few other quick little strokes that were largely missing (IMHO) from the other movies.[/i]

      I'm not sure what scenes you are talking about, but there were no Coruscant or Senate scenes in the original movie. (The name "Coruscant" was unknown to SW fans in the 70s; it entered the SW universe many years later.) Perhaps the reason you see so much more depth and background in "SW: A New Hope" (as it was renamed) is that you only know a version that was remade with more material at least twice since 1977 (once for video release, and again for DVD)

      If the original seemed richer *when released* it was only because we viewed it as our one brief glimpse we'd get of that universe - as with any other SF (Movie sequels were rare before 1977, and many were based on pre-existing series (e.g. James Bond) We never imagined the sequelmania that would soon strike, fueled by movies like Rocky, Jaws, -and yes- Star Wars) If it looks richer today, it's because Lucas went back and enriched it with material, scenes and back story that was never in the original. That would make ANY movie better.

    3. Re:Then again.. by Jerf · · Score: 1

      Star Wars I , not IV .

      I realize that many people may wish to wipe The Phantom Menace from their memories, but it does exist.

      "A New Hope" may as well have taken place in an Empire of three or four planets, for all it mattered.

  23. Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I really enjoyed Stargate the movie and the first few seasons of SG-1, but every season, the plot totally shifts, and things are horribly re-arranged into making something "new and fresh." Sure, O'Neil can't just keep killing Apothis and the Ghoul all the time. I kind of forsee the producers winding SG-1 down in time, if Atlantis really is going to take place.

    Personally, maybe it's just me, but I don't think Atlantis will do well for the Stargate series. Just like how Enterprise damaged Star Trek, I think this will put a bad light on Stargate. I stopped watching Stargate SG-1 in season three, and watch it fairly sporatically now. Same thing with Enterprise...if there's nothing else to be watched I might watch Enterprise, get feud up, and pop in my ST:TNG DVDs.

    I, really, really want to see ST:Voyager on DVD :).

    1. Re:Meh by Kplusplus · · Score: 0, Troll

      That sucks for you, Season 5 was the best to date, and looking over the episode list of 4 alone you missed out on alot.

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    2. Re:Meh by Cyno01 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      The voyager dvds will be out in september IIRC, but expect them to be priced similar to TNG and DS9. I may rent the he first few, but the show jumped the shark when Kes left and somehow they only ended up having one of three plot lines for every ep after that.

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  24. Nice Link by Spad · · Score: 3, Informative

    http://allstargate.television-series.com/atlantis/ (The second 'here' link) is just a redirect to http://www.paysforsurveys.com/

  25. And how do they get back? by TheKidWho · · Score: 1, Insightful

    How do they ever get back considering you can only have one stargate connected per planet...

    1. Re:And how do they get back? by TheKidWho · · Score: 1

      shush you stupid cow troll

    2. Re:And how do they get back? by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You can only have one stargate per coordinate, but it's possible a planet could be large enough to have two (depends on the granularity of the gate address I suppose, which isn't really specified).

      Actually thinking about it since the gould have stargates on their ships, they're not coordinates... maybe you could program two stargates with different addresses and put them next to each other???

    3. Re:And how do they get back? by anotherone · · Score: 1
      A submarine. Duh.

      Or they could gate to another planet and then back to Earth, since the SGC's gate is the primary gate.

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    4. Re:And how do they get back? by TheKidWho · · Score: 1

      how was I trolling? this is a very valid question...

    5. Re:And how do they get back? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      In the show:

      There are two stargates on earth. one was lost in the antartic and a second one was built. (By the ancients, millions of years ago or something). Only one can be used to receive at any time since they have the same coordinate, but both can send. (There was an episode where the second gate gets stolen/misplaced by the military)

      An overload on the circuits makes the incoming wormhole jump to the second stargate. (Used in the episode where they discover the second gate, O'Neill almost freezes to death in the Antartic. They finally figured out what was going on and fly out to rescue him. Also used in the stolen gate episode)

      The addressing grid size seems to be large. In one episode Daniel is on a Goa'uld ship that is about to blow, looks out the window and sees earth, and realizes he's close enought that he can use earth as an origin point, so he survives by leaving through the gate. So, yes, the gate address is the same to earth orbit at least.

      Actually, I should say there were two gates on earth. In one episode the Goa'uld find a way to overload earth's stargate to make it blow up. The Humans send the gate to outer space on a ship with a experimental hyper-drive, and it blows up. The anti-gate weapon is destroyed, and the SGC gets the second gate from the russians.

      Yes, I'm a geek.

    6. Re:And how do they get back? by minairia · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually, you can have three gates on one planet. Does anyone remember the episode where the mysterious alien built his own Stargate in Major Carter's basement out of spare parts so he could get back and stop the military from turning on some kind of ancient superweapon on his dead planet? At that point, it would have been the US gate, the Russian gate and the alien's gate. I wished they'd explored that arc more, in that building one's own Stargate isn't that difficult with the right parts. (The alien was a super genius but all of the stuff he used to build his gate he ordered mail order using Major Carter's credit card. Even though his gate shorted out after one use, it didn't blow up or melt so the military should have been able to figure out how he built it.)

    7. Re:And how do they get back? by rcjhawk · · Score: 1

      I believe there were at least three gates on Earth: * The original gate, discovered in Egypt, blown up as mentioned * The gate found in Antarctica, briefly used by the NID, now covered with a shield and stored somewhere in Area 51 * The gate discovered by the Russians, now in place at SG-1. > Yes, I'm a geek. Geekier than thou.

    8. Re:And how do they get back? by dickiedoodles · · Score: 1

      I believe there were at least three gates on Earth: * The original gate, discovered in Egypt, blown up as mentioned * The gate found in Antarctica, briefly used by the NID, now covered with a shield and stored somewhere in Area 51 * The gate discovered by the Russians, now in place at SG-1. > Yes, I'm a geek. Geekier than thou

      Wrong. There have only ever been 2 gates found on earth (forgetting Orlin's 1 time gate from ascension). The original gate was found in Giza, Egypt and was used as the main stargate until it was transferred to Thor's ship to escape just before in blew up in nemesis, this gate survived and was recovered from the bottom of the ocean by the Russians who set up their own stargate program which was seen in watergate and later closed as part of an agreement between Russia and the USA. During this time the USA used the second gate that was found in Antarctica (in the episode solitudes) and used by the NID for various rogue operations before being shut down by SG1 in touchstone. This second gate was used by the USA until it was destroyed by Anubis in redemption part 2. After which they borrowed the original gate that was currently in Russian hands in return for money and plans for various technologies that were a result of gate travel including the X302 and X303.

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    9. Re:And how do they get back? by gnu-generation-one · · Score: 1

      "Yes, I'm a geek."

      Actually, I remember all of the incidents you describe, and I don't even consider myself a regular watcher of the series (I occasionally turn the TV on before breakfast and see it (UK), and my housemates used to watch it...)

    10. Re:And how do they get back? by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 1
      What about those teleporters they had in the movie? Does that work off the same technology? It was the one where the little rings came down around the person and they vanished in a beam of light to reappear in the other set of rings.

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    11. Re:And how do they get back? by DavidTC · · Score: 1
      Ah ha! You forgot about the other stargate mere moments before mentioning it in your riginal post. The gate Daniel used to gate off the Goa'uld ship with. Not to be confused with the gate teleported up to Thor's ship...this gate came with the Goa'uld ship.

      Yes, that ship blew up in orbit...but gates are literally indestructable. We've had them survive direct hits by meteors before, we've hurled them into a star and had them work for 30-odd minutes, and there's one inside the event horizon of a black hole that still works, or, at least, you can still dial it and have a connection established. (Don't do that, it's extremely stupid, but you could.) We've never seen a stargate provably destroyed before. There's no reason to assume it would be destroyed by a mere ship blowing up.

      So while there's not another gate on earth anymore, there's another gate near earth, possibly in orbit, possibly flying away from earth, possibly it already landed on earth.

      And you're about to complain that we'll never find it...it's easy to find! Put the current stargate on a ship, fly it out of the system. From off-planet, gate in a probe and see where it ends up. (If you can't gate in, it landed on earth and buried itself. There are ways of find that.)

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    12. Re:And how do they get back? by DavidTC · · Score: 1
      And right after posting, I realized the gate can't be 'inside' the blackhole, because there's no time to get inside the blackhole once you hit the event horizon...it will be frozen there forever.

      But, anyway, the point was, the gate was 'working' up to the point time 'stopped', it hadn't been ripped apart yet, despite the immense forces that must have been applied to it right before it 'hit' the event horizon.

      Note my quotes, because the damn thing hasn't hit the event horizon yet, and won't for a very very very very long time.

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    13. Re:And how do they get back? by DavidTC · · Score: 1
      They don't work like the stargates in that they don't open wormholes and send the matter stream though them. And, hence, they work speed of light. (Actually a lot slower than speed of light.)

      Who invented them is unknown, but they are 'Goa'uld technology' (stolen) and use the same crystaline computers as the DHDs do. I'll assume you've just seen the movie, which does't call them a DHD...they're the little table thing with the symbols on it that light up, there everyone but Earth uses to dial the gate with. (The Germans ran off with the DHD from Giza, and the Russians stole it during WWII. So we use a supercomputer to run the thing.)

      However, we don't know that DHDs are part of the original gate system. There are places you can't use a DHD to get to, specifically, anywhere that requires eight chevrons instead of the standard seven, and the races that 'own' the gate system (Four very old races, all we've met are the Asgard and the Ancients.) have magic dially hand devices. And even if the DHD is part of the gate system, the Goa'uld could have stolen the crystal computers from the DHD first and the ring transporters from another species second, and they just hooked up 'their' computers to the ring transporters.

      So, even wormhole issues aside, we don't have any idea if they use anywhere near the same technology, because the ring transporters are from the Goa'uld, and hence might be stolen, and we know the stargates are stolen.

      BTW, the ring transporters aren't the only transporters we've seen. The Aschen have platform transporters, metal things with a pole sticking out of them that you just stand on, type something on the pole, and, bam, you're at another platform. The Asgard have something that sends out a yellow beam and works kinda like a star trek transporter in that you don't need special endpoints. And there have been others.

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    14. Re:And how do they get back? by Jerf · · Score: 1

      You can probably have as many outgoing gates as you want. If you dial a planet, you only get one "primary" gate though. The DHD can mark a gate as "primary", though it is likely that the SGC could eventually figure out what the DHD does to make a gate "primary" and override a DHD elsewhere on the planet, if they tried.

      Just realized: In the episode 2010, we see a Stargate on Earth, in a possible future, in a "starport" in DC. They really should have had two, one dedicated to incoming and one dedicated to outgoing, to maximize throughput, as I would not be surprised that the incoming gate would not interfere with an outgoing gate. (Physically, there's no reason to assume either way, so it would probably be one of those properties that would be determined by the first plot that needed one of them... for instance, the episode where SG-1 ruins a sun and turns the film^W sun all red, it is suddenly revealed that a terminated wormhole dumps the matter out in the real universe. This was news, and IMHO doesn't make sense.)

    15. Re:And how do they get back? by dickiedoodles · · Score: 1

      Yes, that ship blew up in orbit...but gates are literally indestructable
      We've never seen a stargate provably destroyed before

      As I mentioned before one of the original 2 gates on earth was blown up in redemption part 2 and while it's not entirely clear i'm pretty sure the abydos gate was destroyed in full circle

      And you're about to complain that we'll never find it...it's easy to find! Put the current stargate on a ship, fly it out of the system. From off-planet, gate in a probe and see where it ends up. (If you can't gate in, it landed on earth and buried itself. There are ways of find that.)

      The problem is that if it is flying away (safe to assume considering its highly likely they'd of found it if it'd landed on earth) it'd of quickly got to far away to dial into in a similar way that they couldn't dial in to it to go after SG1 when it was still on the ship.

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    16. Re:And how do they get back? by DavidTC · · Score: 1
      The one that blew up, yes, that one was provable destroyed, but not by any external event, but by an overload within the gate itself, using a machine designed to do things like that.

      And the Abydos gate was clearly still there, they used it to get off the planet. If it vanished after that, it was by Ascended 'magic', not by force.

      So let me rephrase: We've never seen any gate destroyed by a physical external force, even some of the most powerful in the universe.

      As for the other gate...the ship was in a stable orbit, so the only momentum of the gate would be from the explosion. And if the gate system manages to work with the earth slingly wildly around the sun, I think it can handle something that's probably not to the moon yet. Gates coords are per solar system, not per planet, and even there they have a wild margin of error. There's no reason to believe the gate wouldn't work way the hell out in the Ort Cloud.

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    17. Re:And how do they get back? by dickiedoodles · · Score: 1

      And the Abydos gate was clearly still there, they used it to get off the planet. If it vanished after that, it was by Ascended 'magic', not by force.

      So let me rephrase: We've never seen any gate destroyed by a physical external force, even some of the most powerful in the universe.


      My interpretation was that the abydos gate was destroyed in full circle (hence the inability for them to dial it) and what they saw at the end was some kind of Ascended 'magic' but I could be wrong

      Either way it was at least mentioned in singularity that it is possible to destroy a gate with a huge explosion (that was the plan with Cassandra and it was mentioned that it had worked at least once before) so its at least possible that a stargate can be destroyed by a massive ship size explosion.

      I can't remember much about how the coordinate system works but I was under the impression that the gate had to be within a certain distance of a planet or other source of massive gravity in order to accept an incoming wormhole but I could be wrong. Either way since it was not recovered the logical assumption is it was destroyed or it was in a position that it was unrecoverable which is possible considering earth knowledge of ships was limited to space shuttles at that point in the show.

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  26. Why do they do this to me? by megalogeek · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Every time I hear about a new show coming out and get excited about it, I invariably find out that it's going to be on cable. Why, why, why? Oh, the humanity. I guess I'll have to wait for the series to come out on DVD (or BitTorrent).

    1. Re:Why do they do this to me? by Lord+Bitman · · Score: 1

      Uhm.. might it have something to do with your use of 40 year-old technology? Color was not the final step for the medium. Digital Cable is a nice half-realized idea, too. As a geek, you should be ashamed at not having something with the word "digital" in it.

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    2. Re:Why do they do this to me? by megalogeek · · Score: 1

      I do have something with the word "digital" in it. It's called a digital wireless modem. It works all over town and it's cheaper than a cable modem. Do you want to know what the best part is? I don't have to give any money to the over-priced, blood-sucking cable companies. Remember when cable didn't have commercials? That's how it is supposed to work. I refuse to PAY to have ads thrown in my face.

      That is all.

    3. Re:Why do they do this to me? by Lord+Bitman · · Score: 1

      I dont remember when cable didnt have commercials.

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  27. Clarke's Entertainment Law? by OECD · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That said, I think Stargate has become too sciency/technical. Did anyone else prefer it when all the technology like the Gates themselves were much more mystical and incomprehensible?

    "Magic, in any sufficiently advanced show, is indistinguishable from technology." (Appologies to ACC)

    Actually, I think what happens is that writers have to have some idea of what and how things work, in order to work with it consistently. Eventually, it works its way into the scripts.

    We, as viewers, don't need to know how or why things work the way they do. It actually keeps things more interesting for us to be trying to figure it out. Unfortunately, that gets forgotten.

    It's roughly analagous to seeing the monster in a horror movie: Less is more.

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    1. Re: Clarke's Entertainment Law? by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1


      > "Magic, in any sufficiently advanced show, is indistinguishable from technology."

      I thought it was "Any sufficiently prolonged series is indistinguishable from crap."

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  28. Re:Wow. Another Special FX Extravaganza by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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  29. IF I EVER MEET YOU I WILL KICK YOUR ASS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  30. Re:SG-1 and Jack **SPOILER** by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not Jack. Janet. And I was as shocked as anyone. :(

  31. yeah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    i enjoy stargate very much too.
    my favourit part is where dr. jackson
    is influenced by a goahuld boy
    to build a naquada powered earth
    defence system in orbit. like these
    pyramid satelits that you can point a earth
    or in to space and grill any approching
    goahuld ship.
    then the discovery of a naquada generator
    by carter.
    i didn't like the parts where they wonder
    around other planets too much.
    i think it was always cool, that one movie
    would have links to past movies.
    every movie is stand-alone but if you have
    seen ALL thr movies it becomes much more
    "the big picture". really cool.
    the director/creator was roland emmerich.
    (two "m"'s?) he also made independance day.
    he and the guy who made abyss and terminator
    (can't think of name now) are geek
    audiance gold mines.
    yeah and i remember being stoned in the chinese
    theater in hollywood watching Independance day
    with my sister and getting a nice shock from
    people watching the movie, commenting the movie
    with calls and claps ...nevermind

    1. Re:yeah! by builderbob_nz · · Score: 0

      he and the guy who made abyss and terminator (can't think of name now)

      James Cameron (as in the Titanic, Aliens, True Lies, Dark Angel etc)

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  32. Duh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your rant reduces to "the movie had a bigger budget than the TV series does!!@#$!@$!"

    Emmerich/Devlin movies always have awesome special effects, by the way. It's all the other parts they leave out that usually make for a disaster.

    1. Re:Duh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well just give me the good movie music and the good creative environments, and I'll stop bitching!

      Those cant be the most expensive effects in the movie, can they?

      Besides, why cant they personalize the Jaffa more than "Ooh I got a different tatoo than you, that means I serve a different system lord"

      Hollywood these days.. sheesh.

    2. Re:Duh! by AndroidCat · · Score: 1
      awesome special effects

      Yeah, it really looked like Jackson wrote on the monitor screen. All the computer people I watched it with in the theater were shocked by the realism!

      What...?

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  33. All marketing.... by nurb432 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They knew advertising killing off a main character would get audience share..

    Scummy practice.. I actually boycotted last nights show beacuse of it.

    Conversely, they know if they killed off one of the main 4, the show would be dead in the water, so i personally had no worries.. Worst case they just bring the character back to life.. hey, its sci-fi anything is possible..

    Putting it on earlier in the evening would help though...

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    1. Re:All marketing.... by anotherone · · Score: 1

      You obviously haven't been watching SG1 for very long... Daniel was "dead" for a whole season, they've killed everyone on the team at least once before.

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    2. Re:All marketing.... by Kplusplus · · Score: 1

      Conversely, they know if they killed off one of the main 4, the show would be dead in the water
      You mean like they did with Daniel Jackson?

      Worst case they just bring the character back to life..
      You mean like they did with Daniel Jackson?

      hey, its sci-fi anything is possible..
      Nuh uh, It worked for Daniel Jackson since he didn't actually die, he ascended to a higher plane of existence. Anyone who has watched the show knows that though there is something special about Colonel Oneill's mind and DNA, he lacks the mentality necessary to ascend.

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    3. Re:All marketing.... by Trikenstein · · Score: 1

      In one of the early seasons there was a ep called *The Nox*.
      In that ep all four sg1 members were killed.
      They were resurected by the Nox.
      A very advanced race that just happens to appear aboriginal.

    4. Re:All marketing.... by Lord+Apathy · · Score: 1

      Well I admit it, they had me fooled. I thought Jack had bit it, but I also thought it was the last of the season too. I figure they would just use some kind of ancent techology to bring him back or something. Richard Arnderson singed on to play one more season of sg-1, season 8, so I knew he wasn't dead forever but I did think he was out for a few episodes.

      When I saw the tape of Janet getting waisted it really stuned me. I wasn't no were near expecting that. Oh well, if someone had to go, better her than Jack.

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    5. Re:All marketing.... by snilloc · · Score: 1
      In Part 1 (last week) I saw the ads that they were going to kill somebody. Having been fooled by a lot of ST:Enterprise ads like that, I was skeptical that they would really kill Jack. When the doctor was sent off-world I figured she would be the one to kill.

      The most killable of the SG1 team is Daniel. However, they've already done that and it didn't work that well. They really couldn't kill Jack, Sam, or Tealc and still expect to have a show.

    6. Re:All marketing.... by Jerf · · Score: 1

      Oh yeah, the Nox, I love those guys.

      On the surface they look like the ultimate hippies and are all about peaceful solutions at all costs, which just isn't a realistic solution for humans.

      Then it turns out that they are just uber-powerful, and can frankly (and I mean this next word literally) afford such attitudes.

      I'm still unsure whether the authors intended a pacifistic message and aren't clear on how pacifists never survive long enough to get that powerful, or whether they intended a sly comment on how you can only be pacifistic if you have the capability to defend yourself and the current Nox (like many modern humans) have forgotten that second part. In fact this is a running theme in Stargate: The more advanced the race, the more pacifistic and Bhuddist they get, until you get up to the Ascended who are nearly God-like but refuse to do anything whatsoever to the universe (IIRC, every single Ascended being we ever see up close is either evicted from the "main society" of the Ascended, whatever that is, or shortly will be evicted (Daniel during his "dead" season)), but is this supposed to be cause or effect? It's never really clear.

  34. ATTN: Mods. Please mod down SPOILER POSTS by Seek_1 · · Score: 1

    .. maybe we can let a few people still enjoy watching the show without knowing the ending.

    (grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr... if ever there was a time I wanted to reach through the screen and strangle someone...)

  35. At least its got a direction by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    While the all-encompassing explanations may not suit your fancy, at least they have a moving plot..

    Unlike another remake of a classic show we all know of.. *cough*voyager*cough*

    I wont hold out for 'atlantis' to be around long, i expect it to be a bunch of mis-directed re-hash and get old pretty fast.

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  36. Re:DIE!!!! by anotherone · · Score: 2, Informative

    The commercials they were showing made it look like Jack had been killed... but then you saw a shot from a funeral at the SGC and the full team was standing there. He didn't say anything you didn't see in the commercial.

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  37. Misinformation? by Xarius · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Ummm, that is just wild speculation. As far as I know, the new series is set in another galaxy, on an offworld human base. I think the name has something to do with the new planet being the origins of the atlantis legend, several people have already been cast.

    This is relatively old news. For more info check out:

    http://www.sg1database.net/atlantis.html

    Again this is AFAIK, I could be wrong

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  38. Not to mention... by Kjella · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Richard Dean Anderson's character was a complete departure from the movie, but his character is pretty funny.

    ...a complete depature from MacGyver. I must honestly say that I never thought I'd be able to accept him as anything else but that - few people were so intesively connected to not only a character - but a specific trait of that personality - as him.

    Pretty much all through the first season (at least), every time they were in a jam I somehow expected him to pull out a piece of string, some duct tape, sulfuric acid and a pocket knife to save the day. I think the role he plays is pretty much the only role he could play to make it work.

    Kjella

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    1. Re:Not to mention... by Shadow99_1 · · Score: 1

      Strangely I used to be a big McGyver fan when I was a kid, but since I'm not used to seeing him as Jack O'Neal in SG1 for so long now I actually had trouble seeing him as McGyver in some reruns on Spike TV (I think) they've played recently....

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    2. Re:Not to mention... by mdw2 · · Score: 2, Funny

      If you saw the special they showed last christmas there was an outtake scene where the pretty blonde (don't know her name) says to him "CMON MCGUYVER YOU'VE GOT A STICK OF BUBBLEGUM AND A THIMBLE, YOU MUST FIX THE STARGATE"(or something to that effect), much laughter ensued, so his being forever tied to mcguyver is well known :)

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    3. Re:Not to mention... by Reziac · · Score: 1

      If it shows how far apart the characters are, I detested MacGyver, but really like O'Neill. But could be RDA has grown up since then (per interviews during MacGyver's run, he had a serious attitude problem) and that's the difference, since in my experience with the industry, most series TV actors pretty much play themselves.

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  39. RDA by dickiedoodles · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The main reason the more recent episodes of SG-1 have been less good (but still very enjoyable in my opinion) then the previous seasons is mainly because of Richard Dean Anderson (jack) being unwilling to spend as much time on the show, every season he says he wants to quit to spend more time with his daughter and every season they negotiate a nice package for him which means less work. IIRC he works about 3 days a week now which is why there are so many episodes that he barely appears in or in some cases doesn't appear in at all. In the next season of SG1 (season 8) rumour has it that he'll be in a more Hammond like position in charge of the SGC. Atlantis is obviously a way to not only expand the series but to get away from relying on RDA signing on every year.

    If anyone cares Gateworld is a fantastic site for information on all things stargate.

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    1. Re:RDA by azaris · · Score: 1

      The main reason the more recent episodes of SG-1 have been less good (but still very enjoyable in my opinion) then the previous seasons is mainly because of Richard Dean Anderson (jack) being unwilling to spend as much time on the show, every season he says he wants to quit to spend more time with his daughter and every season they negotiate a nice package for him which means less work. IIRC he works about 3 days a week now which is why there are so many episodes that he barely appears in or in some cases doesn't appear in at all.

      You know it's gotten too far when he only appears during the last five minutes, builds some contraption out of bubblegum, strips torn from plastic bags and some tent poles, and saves the day.

    2. Re:RDA by Cyno01 · · Score: 1

      No, that wouldn't work, hed have to regrow his mullet.

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  40. Re:DIE!!!! by Zebra_X · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Thank you sooooo much for completely ruining it for everyone else who was watching the show.

    If they were watching the show... then they would know what happened.

    Dear Mr. Clown - the guy who posted the parent asked what happened. Instead of just replying to his post, I added *spolier* so that you wouldn't read it. No one made you read my words...

    And really dude, it's a damn T.V. show.

    Wishing that I get hit by a truck is not very nice, and probably reflects poorly on your Karma.

  41. I'm a Roddenberry fan but .. by ClosedSource · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The quality of STNG was much higher than the original and improved dramatically after Roddenberry let Rick Berman lead the way. I think the combination of Roddenberry's somewhat politically correct "rules" and Berman's attempts to bend them was what made STNG so great.

    1. Re:I'm a Roddenberry fan but .. by AnalystX · · Score: 0

      Roddenberry was all about bending politically correct "rules" during the original Star Trek series and movies. Have you ever seen an interview with him or his original cast? He was trying to test the status quo by casting a black female and Asian as lead characters. That was unheard of for primetime television back then.

    2. Re:I'm a Roddenberry fan but .. by ClosedSource · · Score: 1

      Actually, the term "politically correct" didn't exist at the time of the original series and I don't think the idea applies to it in any case. I think it was great that the original series had a ground-breaking and diverse cast.

      What I was referring to was Roddenberry's taking some of his idealistic ideas about the future to the extreme in later years (much as the older George Lucas has). For example, in early STNG scripts most problems had to be resolved without violence which is nice but rather boring.

      I believe Roddenberry's rules had a restraining effect, however, on the temptation that any producer might have in simply resorting to blowing a lot of stuff up (the scifi version of the car chase). So we ended up with episodes like "Yesterday's Enterprise" which had plenty of action but was still emotionally dramatic.

    3. Re:I'm a Roddenberry fan but .. by AnalystX · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't call that politically correct. I would call that conservative. Even though the term "politically correct" was not in normal, everyday language, the concept has been around ever since the beginning of politics.

      Other than your use of the term, I agree with your analysis. Under Gene's guidance, Star Trek has always had a moral theme that evoked drama as a result. The prime directive is a "prime" (pun might have been intended) example.

    4. Re:I'm a Roddenberry fan but .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > the term "politically correct" didn't exist at the time

      It did, but it was marxist jargon.

    5. Re:I'm a Roddenberry fan but .. by maxpublic · · Score: 1

      Are you talking about Rick "everything I touch turns to shit" Berman? The guy who has single-handedly fucked up everything that has anything to do with Star Trek?

      That guy is a fucking disaster. He's so goddamned bad the only way he could've kept his stranglehold on the franchise is through blackmail. Gotta wonder what sort of dirt he's holding over the major players to keep himself in the ball game after doing nothing but piss all over Star Trek for so long.

      The franchise would be improved immeasurably if ol' Rick were to get hit by a bus. The sooner the better.

      Max

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    6. Re:I'm a Roddenberry fan but .. by ClosedSource · · Score: 1

      While I do think Berman has over-exposed Star Trek, I think that without him STNG would have been canceled after 3 or 4 seasons and I doubt that any new series or movies would have been made. Since you apparently hate everything Berman touched, I guess you would have preferred to watch reruns of the orginal series for the last 15 years.

  42. Re:SG-1 and Jack *Spoiler* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, they did try to lead you early on to believe it was Jack, but as soon as they showed the video on the planet with the injured soldier and Janet, and how the reporter was talking, I got the hints that it was Janet that died.

    It took you that long? I'm not the kind of person who figures these kinds of things out easily, and I knew way before that scene.

  43. A Dying Series by Emperor+Tiberius · · Score: 2, Interesting

    To be totally honest, I think Atlantis won't have the same "vibe" (for lack of a better word) that SG-1 has had. If the plot is literally going to be based on an old base, and going to another side of the universe...jeeze, this is starting to sound like a hacked up Stargate clone of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine! Something, I don't look forward to watching, much like I don't care to watch Enterprise anymore.

  44. Wait though. by /dev/trash · · Score: 1

    Wasn't that show cancelled because no one watched it? No one watched it because it . . . was no good maybe?

  45. Re:One of the best sci-fi series going now by fadethepolice · · Score: 1

    Unfortunately you are correct, but I don't mean that as a compliment to SG-1

    I think the story and the show have potential, but only if an evil out of control psychotic bone-crunching alien finally tears MacGyver limb from limb as he's trying his last escape attempt.

    If MacGyver goes to Alantis I am gonna lose it..

  46. Stargate and Atlantis by centauri · · Score: 5, Funny

    This circle is now complete.

    Some people saw some glaring similarities between the original Stargate and Disney's Atlantis: The Lost Empire.

    - Brilliant linguist has goofy theory and is reviled by the scientific community.
    - Senior citizen contacts scientist to reveal that his theory was right all along.
    - Scientist brought along as expert advisor for military expedition based on aforementioned theory.
    - Strange world reached via a twisting tunnel.
    - Scientist teased and tormented by expedition members.
    - Expedition utterly reliant on scientist for salvation.
    - Military expedition has a secret adgenda.
    - Scientist falls for beautiful native.
    - Glowing eyes.
    - A symbol like an upper-case lambda features prominantly in the promotional material for each movie.

    There are probably more I'm forgetting and of course the differences are significant, but it is very suspicious.

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  47. You don't mean.... by OECD · · Score: 1

    maybe you could program two stargates with different addresses and put them next to each other???

    Imagine a Beowulf cluster...

    (Sorry. Had to.)

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  48. Atlantis vs Nadia by RichMan · · Score: 1

    Disney's Atlantis(2001) seems to be a direct rip-off of the Gainax Nadia(1990).

    Look at the character sketches on this page:
    http://www.oldcrows.net/Atlantis/

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    Indeed, both productions are a hybrid of the "steampunk" adventure fiction written by Jules Verne (20,000 Leagues Under the Sea) and the modern Atlantis mythology popularized by Edgar Cayce (On Atlantis). As such, similarities are inevitable - similar sources, similar plots, similar scenes, similar characters, similar designs.

  49. Re:One of the best sci-fi series going now by AnalystX · · Score: 0

    MacGyver already has!

    http://rdanderson.com/film/atlantis.htm

  50. Slashdot Jinx by N8F8 · · Score: 4, Funny

    You guys just killed Stargate. Every time a SciFi show is mentioned here a cancellation notice follows within three months. Damn.

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    1. Re:Slashdot Jinx by g00z · · Score: 5, Funny

      Enterprise enterprise enterprise?

      - Enterprise

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  51. Bad Bad Science by geekoid · · Score: 1

    I'm not talking about the gate, or the alien technology. I'm talking about whenever they do something outside that, its so lame, it's stupid.
    example:

    "This sound is too low of a frequency to hear. Let me turn it up."

    what? yes, changing the amplitude will be a sure way to be able to here something thats outside the range of human hearing. Bah.

    There is something like that in every show I have seen. Granted, I've only seen a handfull, but I'm not masochistic enough to watch anymore.

    Morons.

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    1. Re:Bad Bad Science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Watch the hand. Did they reach for the VOLUME knob, or the FREQUENCY knob. If you "turn up" the frequency, sure, you CAN year it. And "Let me turn it up" would then make sense.

    2. Re:Bad Bad Science by geekoid · · Score: 1

      if you turn up the freq, then your not hearing the same sound are you?

      And the specifically where talking about the volume.

      Don't yell at me, and don't treat me like an idiot.

      stupid apologist.

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    3. Re:Bad Bad Science by Jerf · · Score: 1

      Actually, I disagree, bearing in mind that you absolutely must lower your standards for a television show to some degree; you have all day to pick out plot holes but they are on a tight, tight schedule. You need to look at not just what they screw up, but what they get right.

      Star Trek, for instance, has devolved to the point where even on the show's own terms they get almost nothing whatsoever right. The "sci fi" serves solely as dues ex machina and as a result the only episodes I find even remotely interesting anymore are the psychological episodes... which I can only remember one of in Voyager (where the captain encounters the embodiment of "fear" in suspended animation tubes) and I've stopped watching Enterprise but don't remember any episode in the first two seasons I'd call "psycological".

      Stargate largely shoots pretty well; I have heard a few groaners and Carter is getting a little too Star Trek-y for my tastes but they manage to get a lot right. In the Watergate episode, Carter and Counselor Troi (heh heh) correctly notice that pressure should not be increasing without a corresponding increase in depth. This sounds like a little thing but it involves an elementary knowlege of high-school physics that seems beyond most sci-fi shows. In the black hole time-dilation episode, Carter correctly notes that the time dilation effect has been decoupled from the gravitational effect, which according to relativity is impossible (i.e., in relativity the two are equivalent anyhow if my understanding is correct so it's literally not a meaningful idea in modern relativity).

      Certainly there are groaners (some of which came from the movie which I am not willing to blame them for, such as the way that despite not having a clue what the Stargate is until Daniel Jackson turns it on (and despite not trying the six symbols and all 39 possible seventh symbols...) they still have computers that know that the gate is "dematerializing" things, and have a tracker that tracks the progress of the object... one can sort of rationalize this by saying they've analysed the protocol the gate communicates in but it is virtually inconceivable that they'd know that much about it the first time they turn it on!), but they get a lot of stuff really right, too.

      (My favorite thing they get right is military doctrine; our heros are horribly outnumbered and out-tech'ed, but our military significantly outperforms the Jaffa because of our massively superior doctrines, because we don't mind arming our armies with everything we've got, whereas the Gua'uld deliberately hobble the Jaffa with shitty weaponry so they can not successfully rebel. Or the eventual deployment of aerial surveillance, which took time to R&D. I especially enjoyed the episode where they used the aerial probe to paint two targets and then shot surface-to-surface missles through the gate to take out two anti-personnel emplacements without risking a man; now that is a quality understanding of military doctrine and appropriate use of purely-human technology we either have, or could perfectly plausibly have, today! With this simple human, not scientific, correctness that almost no other show I can name either sci-fi or otherwise gets right, I am will to spot them a lot of other stuff.)

      If you only see faults in things, and I say this in a neutral fashion as it is a legitimate personality trait and is just something you need to know about yourself, then give up on sci-fi movies and television now. I've learned to be more lenient with movies or television then I am with books, and a large part of my acceptance was what I learned about the timescales these things are produced on. They are just such different beasts then books from a single author that I can not honestly treat them the same. I am still very hard on my books, but they also have an easier time, since there are no visual effects to pick apart (and visual effects inevitably contain much more information then the original description did, just as a 'for-instance'). SG-1, along with getting some stuff wrong, gets a lot of stuff right and is as good as you can hope for, at least the first four or five seasons of it.

  52. Re:And how do they get back? *SPOILER* by D'Arque+Bishop · · Score: 1

    You can only have one stargate per coordinate, but it's possible a planet could be large enough to have two (depends on the granularity of the gate address I suppose, which isn't really specified).

    Actually, the ruins of the Ancients' lost city is located where Earth's original Stargate was located, in Antarctica. (The one found in Giza was actually Earth's second Stargate.) However, most of the action of Stargate: Atlantis will be taking place in another galaxy, centered around another lost city of the Ancients. (The coordinates of this planet are apparently found in Earth's outpost.)

    Actually thinking about it since the gould have stargates on their ships, they're not coordinates... maybe you could program two stargates with different addresses and put them next to each other???

    The only time there was a Stargate on a ship that I recall, it was treated as if it was the gate for that planet. (Hence when the ship left that planet, dialing to it no longer worked.) When said ship reached Earth, Daniel Jackson used it as if it was Earth's gate.

    </SG-1 geek>

  53. One of the directors is excited by gbulmash · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I'm in contact with David Winning (IMDb filmography, official site). He directed a lot of episodes of "Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda" (photos: 1, 2) and he's been hired on to direct at least part of the first season of "Stargate Atlantis". He's been getting a lot of recognition in the industry as one of the top directors for TV Sci-Fi in the past couple of years, so they're making some good choices for the series already. And the cool thing is that he seems really excited about the new series.

    I've known David professionally for a couple of years now and he doesn't get this excited over every job, so that's got me looking forward to checking out series. It doesn't hurt that I'm a fan of SG1 also.

    - Greg

    1. Re:One of the directors is excited by GrayArea · · Score: 1

      Oy... that doesn't make me feel good about this new Atlantis thing. Andromeda has been a smoldering wreck for a long time now, I hope this guy is not actually one of the responsible ones.

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    2. Re:One of the directors is excited by vjmurphy · · Score: 1

      "He directed a lot of episodes of "Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda"

      "He's been getting a lot of recognition in the industry as one of the top directors for TV Sci-Fi in the past couple of years"

      Which goes to show just how bad TV sci fi is these days, when directing a really crappy show makes you a top director.

      On the other hand, when's Michael Bay's next movie coming out?

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    3. Re:One of the directors is excited by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Meatfucker. sorry. I mean-

      It's funny you mention Andromeda. The early episodes were actually not too bad. The later series was made stupid, deliberately, as people (including the male lead, hercules) were complaining andromeda was too complex and cerebral, probably a direct result of the episode "The Mathematics of Tears", and so more explosions and space babes were put in and the smartness was taken out. There were clear Cultural universe influences in early andromeda episodes.

    4. Re:One of the directors is excited by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      It's not the director's fault, it's the writing. Which is the producer's fault, BTW, not the writers. The writers can be blamed if one or two episodes stink, but if the entire tone of the show is stupid it's the producer's fault.

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    5. Re: One of the directors is excited by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1


      > It's funny you mention Andromeda. The early episodes were actually not too bad. The later series was made stupid

      They lost me in the early episode when the ship's AI started running around in a miniskirt. Not that I minded the leg, but the series was just getting too fscking st00pid.

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  54. Re:DIE!!!! by Seek_1 · · Score: 1

    I replied to your post because it had a score of 5, making it show up when everyone read the thread, whereas the original spoiler had a score of 1, meaning most people wouldn't be reading it anyways.

    Had you not re-iterated the spoiling I wouldn't have said anything.

    Also, just because you put *Spoiler* in your thread title doesn't mean that people will see it before they read your post, which is exactly what I did when I was scanning through the thread.

    ***SPOILER***|***SPOILER***|***SPOILER***|***SPO IL ER***|
    Had you done something to draw more attention to the fact that you were revealing spoilers, then it would have been a different thing entirely.
    ***SPOILER***|***SPOILER***|***SPOILER* **|***SPOIL ER***|

  55. Well by geekoid · · Score: 1

    there's the best use of slashdot...ever.

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  56. Simple by geekoid · · Score: 1

    you DARED to question a show the /. crowd likes.

    Sure, it's a valid question, but you should never DARE to even imply that you're not fanatical beyond freekin belief, you deserve to be modded down. heathen.

    I feel your pain, I once dared to imply that I though a certien "lesbian/witch/vampire/slayer" show was, perhap, not to my liking. Man, I went to -5 in about 3 minutes.

    I think the slashdot crowd is so shell shocked from loosing good sci-fi all the time, they just jump on something meiocre so it is less likly to go away.

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  57. Re:DIE!!!! by Zebra_X · · Score: 1

    My post did not have a score of 5, it has a score of zero.

  58. Re:And how do they get back? *SPOILER* by minairia · · Score: 1

    maybe I'm wrong, but I can remember a couple of episodes where SG-1 uses the gates on a moving Ga'uld ship to go from Earth to ship and blow things up. Remember the episode from way back when they gate to an incoming Ga'uld fleet that was going to attack Earth? There were a couple other episodes like that, I think.

  59. Uh... by Cyno01 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I love SG-1, and for the most part its better than the movie IMHO, but they have tried spinoffs already, and that makes me nervous. Anybody remember Stargate: Infinity? It was a very short lived saturday morning cartoon. Just terrible.

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    1. Re:Uh... by tim1724 · · Score: 1

      Well, Star Trek seemed to recover just fine following Star Trek: The Animated Adventures :-)

      (OK, so some people actually like that series. I only saw two or three of them, and didn't like them, but perhaps I had bad luck and saw the worst of them.)

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  60. Re:And how do they get back? *SPOILER* by D'Arque+Bishop · · Score: 1

    maybe I'm wrong, but I can remember a couple of episodes where SG-1 uses the gates on a moving Ga'uld ship to go from Earth to ship and blow things up. Remember the episode from way back when they gate to an incoming Ga'uld fleet that was going to attack Earth? There were a couple other episodes like that, I think.

    That was the one episode I was talking about. There was another time when they used a Stargate to escape an Asgard ship about to be destroyed, but they were gating FROM the ship, not TO it..

  61. Careful what you ask for... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...remember where you are and who you're asking.

    -x

  62. Yes, UK Sky stuck it on their repeats channel by rklrkl · · Score: 1

    I briefly caught a glimpse of "Stargate: Infinity" one day on "Sky One Mix" here in the UK (usually just a channel for repeats of what's on "Sky One", which is where the main "Stargate: SG1" series gets its UK premiere). It was pretty bad - the only similarity between it and the main live action series was the noise of the Zat gun as far as I could tell :-)

    It's amusing to note that the Gateworld site is very careful to avoid mentioning the Infinity spin-off when it's discussing the Atlantis spin-off - they obviously don't want the train-wreck of the cartoon to jinx things...

  63. funny that you mention that! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the 8th season of stargate sg-1 will be its last!

    sad, but at least it slims the possibility of "jumping the shark" between then and now.

    1. Re:funny that you mention that! by luckyguesser · · Score: 1

      Funny... the first words *I* see on that page are: "If rumours on the Internet are to be believed".

      Subsequent paragraphs do elaborate, quoting sources like Yahoo! News. Why don't you find that article?

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  64. Somewhat offtopic by entrylevel · · Score: 1

    I've only recently been turned on to SG-1 (well a year and a half ago). I used to talk smack about it all the time, but I'm now totally hooked. The quality and diversity of the writing sometimes borders on pure genius yet they always manage to keep the light-hearted feel to the show (possibily due to the fact that Chris Judge and Richard Dean Anderson can't act and they both know it!). I am actually upset that I missed Heroes Part 1 last week because Heroes Part 2 last night was quite possibly my favorite SG-1 episode to date. I truly hope Atlantis can continue to live up to the reputation SG-1 has established.

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    1. Re:Somewhat offtopic by unitron · · Score: 1

      If you think Judge can't act perhaps it's because you never saw the episode where his character's body was inhabited by one or more of the other character's personality(ies). Yep, he was channeling Anderson's character. It was hilarious.

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    2. Re:Somewhat offtopic by entrylevel · · Score: 1

      I do remember that episode. That was the one where they found the machine that could transfer minds from one person to another but not in reverse between the same two people, right? So at the end Carter wound up playing a shell game with everyone's mind until they were all back where they should be, and the only person who couldn't get his mind back was the guy who tricked them into using it in the first place. I take it back. Chris Judge was fantastic in that episode, you're right. I love when he gets in an argument with Anderson about shaving his head.

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  65. Re:DIE!!!! by Joe+Tie. · · Score: 1

    Honestly, what did you expect? That episode's a day to over a week old depending on where one lives. If I hadn't seen it, there's no way I'd read a slashdot discussion on the franchise because it's obvious details of the most recent couple episodes would turn up.

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  66. Stargate Double Pack by Space_Soldier · · Score: 0

    I loved GTA III and Vice City Double Pack on the xbox (even though Vice City crashes often). This summer, we will have Stargate Double Pack, which contains Stargate SG-1 Season 8 and Stargate Atlantis. In UK, Stargate SG-1 Season 7 started almost 2 weeks earlier than on SciFi, thus fire up BitTorrent, connect to Suprnova and get the episodes (wide screen, comercial free) if you can't wait anymore.

  67. No matter how you feel about SG1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    at least the new series will have some relationship to the name of the channel. That's a rare occurance these days.

    1. Re:No matter how you feel about SG1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a wormhole transportation network with hostile aliens on the other end isn't SCI-FI enough for you??

  68. Well, it would be kind of hard to by porkchop_d_clown · · Score: 1

    turn some one whose primary motivation is suicide into a long-term TV character.

  69. SG1 solves a BIG problem in an elegant way by ardor · · Score: 1

    I mean the look of the aliens. Have a look at most other scifi scenarios - most "aliens" look very human to me. Now, SG1 explains this very well: they ARE humans kidnapped thousands of years ago, some of them serving as hosts for a parasite with superpowers and genetic memory. Now, please address the other issue: Why does everyone speak English?! Its like if english would be a language widely used in the galaxy. This is plausible in far-future sets, but not when mankind just recently mastered FTL! And no one can tell me that they learned the alien languages that quickly. Heck, it takes years to understand an ancient language on Earth - used by humans long ago. Now imagine if some aliens pass by. I bet it would take hundreds of years to establish a good communication between the species.

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    1. Re:SG1 solves a BIG problem in an elegant way by Xarius · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In the movie, Daniel learns Goa'uld (the primary language used) and is also a linguist. Would you want to watch an hour long show consisting of him translating to and fro throughout the entire episode?

      Translation is assumed in most fictional (yes, fictional) tv shows/movies.

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    2. Re:SG1 solves a BIG problem in an elegant way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
      Why does everyone speak English?! Its like if english would be a language widely used in the galaxy



      I've got news for you. English IS the most widly used language in the galaxy. I think it has something to do with the fact that if you speak English really slow AND REALLY LOUD then just about everybody can understand you (they might pretend like they can't, but that is just them being rude).

    3. Re:SG1 solves a BIG problem in an elegant way by jcuervo · · Score: 1
      I bet it would take hundreds of years to establish a good communication between the species.
      Yeah, and how come there's Elvish on Narsil's blade in some scenes, and not in others?!#@%

      ...

      Anyway. Hi, my name is suspension of disbelief. Pleased to meet you.
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  70. Re:One of the best sci-fi series going now by Trikenstein · · Score: 1

    I read a RDA interview on one of the spoiler sites.
    He stated that his char will finish out the SG1 series (thru season 8) and help launch Atlantis.
    His char will be killed off either in one of the SG1 final eps or on Atlantis.

  71. Informative my ass! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The link works fine. That poses the following two possibilities:

    1. The poster is stupid and has malware redirecting his browsing. (I.e. the parent's poster is stupid.)

    2. The poster was simply trying for informative mod points by posting a bald-faced lie. (I.e. the parent's poster is malicious.)

    Hanlon's Razor dictates that I go with option 1, although frankly, "Never attribute to malice that which can adequately be explained by stupidity," does not mean that you can't moderate the living hell out of him. :)

    1. Re:Informative my ass! by Spad · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, it's neither.

      As I've just realised, www.television-series.com is hosted by Web1000.com, who have a lovely habit of redirecting users from non-US countries to crappy advert sites, usually porn.

  72. not to mention the inside "MacGyver refrencess by youritadvisor.com · · Score: 2, Informative

    Interesting how they would sneak in a reference to ""MacGyver" in each eps.

  73. Re:SG-1 and Jack *Spoiler* by PierceLabs · · Score: 1

    Yeah. Someone dies - lets see what extra major character did they drag with them :)

  74. Yea, Egypt in space by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Could happen!

  75. Daniel by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    Of course i know that.. thus my point of bringing people 'back to life' after they get a bunch of complaints and viewer share drops.

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    1. Re:Daniel by anotherone · · Score: 1

      They were always going to bring Daniel back, it wasn't complaints and viewer share dropping. It was pretty clear before he even died that he would return.

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    2. Re:Daniel by Lord+Apathy · · Score: 1

      They killed Daniel off and people bitched till they brought him back. Glad he is bak myself

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  76. What about the SGC? by CycoChuck · · Score: 1

    Does this new series mean that they are at some point going to shutdown the SGC?

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    1. Re:What about the SGC? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Back between season 5 and season 6, the rumor was that when season 6 ended, they'd make a second stargate movie based on the series, and use that movie to set-up the spinoff, atlantis.

      That got axed, as they were able to sign RDA up for a 7th season, so then the second movie turned into a season finale, and the spinoff being based on that.

      SG-1 has one more season left, then it's ending. From what I understand, RDA only signed up for a few episodes in season 8, so we'll likely see him in the first few eps, be promoted to General, hate the job, and retire to Minnisota.

  77. MOD UP INSIGHTFUL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    That's the reason Farscape was axed. It was just way way too expensive a show to produce.

  78. Slashdot really missed the boat here... by X86Daddy · · Score: 2, Funny

    This article was supposed to pe posted around 8PM Eastern last night, and give away the episode's ending in the article title.

    Way to go, editors.

  79. Re:DIE!!!! by yiantsbro · · Score: 1

    Hmmm...even with that your eyes may happen to drift to the middle content before you can will them not to. How about a "spoiler" option in the comment post area (just below the "Post Anonymously" box). Click it and the text will be blanked out with something along the lines of "Spoiler post, click to display" or you could adjust your viewing options to browse with spoilers turned on/off.

  80. Great! by just+another+cynic · · Score: 1
    All the new series will need to be a success is the following!

    A commander who can make a sarcastic jibe in every second sentence

    A scientist who knows every different branch of science at genius level (and always having a wide eyed look gives bonus points)

    The token geek who always gets the girl

    I can't wait!

    1. Re:Great! by CycoChuck · · Score: 1

      Isn't that in SG-1 already?

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  81. Re:SG-1 and Jack *Spoiler* by originalTMAN · · Score: 1

    But then you have to remember one very important fact: No one really dies in Sci Fi. Tasha Yar anyone? I too wondered about Cassandra doesn't she turn into a really big loose end now?

  82. Re:SG-1 and Jack *Spoiler* by first.last · · Score: 1

    Dr. Frasier died.

    Guess I won't be watching it anymore. I am in love with that woman.

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  83. Please NOOOOOoooo by first.last · · Score: 1

    I mean, who the hell would want to see Wheaton in drag?

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  84. We just got a letter concerning filming by Learnedfool · · Score: 0

    The car shop I work at just got a letter stating that they would be filming down our street. They had a big film crew around Stokes Pit, in Surrey, B.C, Canada. Brandon

  85. OT: Sort of by fireman+sam · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Has anyone else noticed the similarities between the stargate series and the writings of Brian Lumley?

    For example:

    1. Necroscope series -
    - People can travel between worlds using "grey holes", Much like the stargate.
    - Vampires are in fact leeches that infect a host body and increase the hosts strengths, senses etc. They also increase the ability to heal. Sound familiar?

    2. The house of doors -
    - In this novel, a large white mansion appears on a hill side. Inside is an alien called Seth. Does anyone here remember the episode of stargate where there was a cult in a large white mansion that was run by a man called Seth?

    Hmmm, maybe that is why I like stargate and Brian Lumley books, as they have similar undertones.

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    1. Re:OT: Sort of by soccerisgod · · Score: 1

      Just the other day - in the double episode Heroes - I thought how much that probe looked like one of those imperial probes from Star Wars....

      I guess these days it's getting more and more difficult to be truely original. Stargate lends from quite a few different sources, but most of the time does it subtle enough not to be noticed too much - in my opinion anyway. And they do a nice job with storytelling. Plus Sam is hot! :D~~~~

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  86. Re:SG-1 and Jack *Spoiler* by fireman+sam · · Score: 2, Funny

    Dr. Frasier didn't die, he is just doing the voice of Sideshow Bob full time now.

    Wha?... Oh sorry, wrong Dr Frasier. My Bad

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  87. Re:OT: Sort of (Now really OT) by talaphid · · Score: 1

    I've noticed the similarities Stargate series has to a series of writings by a series of anonymous authors known collectively as the Ancient Egyptians, whose similarities may also be shared with your author, Brian Lumley.

    Vampires are longstanding foils for human as animal, animal as human, "what is humanity?" (think of them as the opposite of Star Trek's Spock or Data, and then the vampires like Spike and Angel are a 'creative' inevitability). The very nature of vampirism is to violate basic taboos (another reason they are sometimes portrayed as highly sexualized - Bram Stroker's Dracula - err, his succubi - compared to the mores of the time, for example). Throwing in the extra violation of 'human'ity with the actual physical invasion of a parasite to vampirism should be considered another inevitable evolution (the tainted blood and then genetics themes, taken to a new level - we are not 'transformed' as those are, but our will is raped by the descration of our bodies).

    So, as for this all sounding familiar, yes. These ideas sound on the score of over a century old.

    Going more offtopic, someone above "typoed" the correct name for the parasite race as "Ghoul" (yeah, I'm going to get it wrong too, but I'm sure this is closer) instead of 'Gou'ld'. Allow for a little elision, and you have the same word. I never thought of that the entire series, but it's a very fitting observation. T'eouc is always saying how "The [Ghoul] are only scavengers." The [Ghoul] live off of the life of others. And so on.

  88. I Promise You Sci-Fi Will Screw This Up by thelizman · · Score: 0

    IMHO, the quality of writing for Stargate SG-1 has declined over the years (although the first few eps of this season have been good). Make no mistake, however, that Sci Fi Channel will probably screw this up. I say this because Sci Fi under Bonnie Hammer has shown a distinctive lack of integrity with respect to supporting real science fiction. Instead, the channel has invested in low-budget B-movie creature features which have little to do with traditional science fiction. These movies are profitable because they pull in shares as high as 1.8 - the average rating for a Farscape episode.

    Thus far, Sci Fi has missed the mark with shows like Tremors (creature feature != sci fi), Scare Tactics (candid camera with a hateful edge), and their upcoming reality show Mad Mad House (absolutely nothing to do with fiction, much less science fiction). They might have something with "Tripping the Rift", but don't count on it - looks like a cartoon ripoff of Farscape to me (rift...uncharted territories, hello?).

    The closest this channel has come to being a true Sci Fi channel is the recent Battlestar Galactica miniseries, which was actually quite good (although an obvious pilot for a full series, which I would like to see). Their continued diarhea of Stargate SG-1 episodes has turned them into the Stargate channel. Meanwhile, they've buried Farscape, Invisible Man, and failed to capitalize on Lexx reruns. They have completely missed the Star Trek franchise, with SpikeTV holding equity in Star Trek:TNG reruns, nobody doing Voyager or DS9 episodes, and UPN/Fox holding the monopoly on Star Trek: Enterprise (which is facing cancellation because of low viewership - hello, they only play it late nights on Fox, and UPN is not widely distributed, but I digress - this was a rant about SciFi). Don't forget Andromaeda, which is one of Gene Roddenberry's other progeny, and not a bad show (though hardly of Farscape / Enterprise caliber).

    Sci Fi has also failed to capitalize other areas. TechTV and Cartoon network have the Anime market cornered, and Sci Fi has yet to even attempt to get something like Akira or Neo Genesis Evangelion.

    Anyway, its highly likely Sci Fi will screw this up. They've screwed everything else up.

    1. Re:I Promise You Sci-Fi Will Screw This Up by Optikal · · Score: 1

      Tripping the Rift has been around for quite some time, in the form of a short. I think it actually started out in around 1998.

      Sci-Fi's had a habit of buying relatively obscure properties in order to rehash them on their tired network. The proof is at TV Tome upon looking at the info for most of the series that the Sci-Fi channel has had on lately. Sci-Fi will slaughter anything that Tripping the Rift used to be, of course.

  89. Should be good by ghostsofangels · · Score: 1

    I'm told that kenn brown and Chris Wren of Mondolithic Studios are actively involved in the production design for _SG:A_. These guys are damn good (and big SF fans besides). I'm looking forward to seeing this.

  90. Frozen Water by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The second gate on earth was in the artic.

    Atlantis is buried under an ocean of ice.

    Poleshift maybe?

  91. Re:SG1 solves a BIG problem, but like Dr Who by vortexau · · Score: 1

    Dr Who had the same 'keep the story moving' assumption!

    Where ever (and WHEN ever) the Good Doctor and his companions travelled; every friend and foe spoke English:
    "Sto-o-o-p! You will be exterm-m-minated!?!"
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  92. SLASHDOT KREE! by The_Laughing_God · · Score: 1


    [i]Slashdot Kree![/i]

    That's where broadcast beats broadband any day: if you try to slashdot a TV show, they'll just sit back and grin like maniacs as the ratings mount. I wouldn't mind seeing SG-1 slashdotted that way.

  93. Amazing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My friend, listen to my advice, it is said to you in a direct, ruthless manner because I'm forced to do so. I really would like to be more subtle...

    GET A CLUE!