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Kerberos v5 allows multiple domains, where the compromise of the
certificate authority only breaks authentication in that domain.

This is a good source of information on Kerberos.

I use this site to get around my school's CyberPatrol proxy. Get to it quick as it will probably be blocked soon, along with the rest of MIT.

I think the real reason computers are a pain to use is the paradigm we use when designing user interfaces: today's user interfaces are about telling the computer how you want it to do something, not what you want it to do, but most users are interested in results, not the process of getting those results.

In The Beginning, computers didn't have a lot of power, so the user interface meant you had to tell it how to get from point A to point B in excruciating detail. We wound up with systems like Unix's command line shell, which gives you a small number of commands and the means to pipe the output from one to the input of the next until you build a composite command that does what you want - but to build that command you have to tell the computer what to do at each step in between. If the end result you want is "get rid of all the files belonging to the user named 'Joe'", what you have to tell the computer is "list all the files, pipe that result into a filter that looks for 'Joe' and rearranges the output a bit (awk or perl), pipe those results into a command executor (xargs), and pipe that output into the command that removes files."

Windowed interfaces are largely more of the same - if you want to get rid of all the files belonging to Joe, you would go about executing a sequence of commands using the mouse: open a folder, sort by user, select a block of files, and drag to the trash can. It's essentially the same thing you did with Unix, just expressed a bit differently. In both cases, you're still telling the computer how to get to what you want, not what you want itself.

I'm beginning to think that the real trick to getting computers that are easy to use is to shift paradigms - to begin thinking in terms of an interface where you tell the computer what you want and it figures out how to get there, as opposed to the more familiar concept of stringing together primitive commands.

What would such an interface look like? It would have to have a large input vocabulary, so you could express all the possible goals you might be interested in - which probably rules out point and click. Beyond that, I suspect it starts looking more like AI than anything else, or at least like a system with a very large rules base and a pretty fancy abstraction system.

It would make a very interesting research project for someone to create such a system that takes typed natural language commands from the keyboard and translates to Unix shell commands.

I found out about Oxygen through Scientific American. Here's a link to the online summary: http://www.sciam.com/1999/0899issue/0899quicksumma ry.html . The actual issue has quite a bit of info. Here's another link, this one to the MIT web site: http://www.lcs.mit.edu/news/releases/oxygen040799 .

The 2.0 version, released on time for the Slashdot interview just can't cut it, though. Sure, it answered the questions (in its humorous little jonkatz way), but look at the recent posts: Continents on the internet? running "dialog" with Slashdotters? A movie review?!!

I don't know who's responsible for this, but I wish they would put the bot back in its pen, and set its little neural networks back to training mode. This thing is going haywire.

Maybe if they ran it on Linux and published the source code afew dedicated hackers could restore jonkatz to his beta version glory. Random output based on news stories and tech issues is far better than free-form prose about movies, cybergeography, etc. At least the beta version dealt with things pertaining to Slashdot (in its half-assed way).

Certainly, mitigating or reducing the effects of the natural aging process seems a more realistic short-term goal than waiting for nanotechnology to make cryonics feasible.

A. Keiper
The Center for the Study of Technology and Society

Certainly, mitigating or reducing the effects of the natural aging process seems a more realistic short-term goal than waiting for nanotechnology to make cryonics feasible.

A. Keiper
The Center for the Study of Technology and Society

(Warning, blatant plug to follow)

fsv - 3D File System Visualizer

This was released just last month. It's LGPL'ed, built on OpenGL/GTK+, and while it lacks many features of the original fsn (and isn't even at 1.0 yet) it sports a slicker interface, and not one but two distinct approaches to visualizing the file system.

There have been some noises to making this into a Nautilus optional view mode, which would be pretty cool (since the program would then have a real file manager backend, and what with XFree4.0/DRI coming around the bend...)

:-)

This reminds me of those Cornell freshmen who released the top75 reasons why women shouldn't have freedom of speech email, and were dumb enough to sign their names on it a few years ago. The trouble they got into with the feminists...

Udell's perspective seems rather limited. For example: "power tools like Perl's amazing map function, which applies a function to every element of a list." Simply amazing? This sort of thing is SOP in Lisp and other functional languages. And Scheme, for example, is available as a Unix scripting language in scsh and guile.

And actually, we still don't have fast ethernet in the dorms.

Through nmap and telnet, I can see that that algore2000.com uses Linux and Apache. Al Gore has been known to assimilate buzzwords and jargon in a big way (MIT seems to have had his number during commencement on this one). For example, several months ago I recieved a mail from the site claiming it was now "Open Source" when in reality it was nothing of the such and the term wasn't even remotely applicable to anything on the site. How much of your decision to go with Linux/Apache came out of practicality, and how much of it came because they are the trendy things to be running?

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You can find more information on UCITA activism at http://www.pdos.lcs.mit.edu/~cananian/ UCITA/. California and Oklahoma are the next battles to be fought.

there is, for the mac, an extention called Asciimac. Basically what it does is take the mac os's display and render it in ASCII art in real time on the screen. It is somewhere between incredibly scary and amazing. It won a MacHack award a couple years ago and is somewhat open source.

I wonder if it would be possible to rewrite it so that it sent text over an ANSI telnet connection instead of to the screen? hmm.

i was actually wondering just now if it would be possible to hijack the mac's video drivers or patch all the quicktime traps or something in order to create an X client for the mac os.. but it would have never occured to me to do it with terminal emulation instead if i hadn't seen this.. :)

https://lm.lcs.mit.edu

For a while, it substituted 'sock' for 'cock', which made portions of the internet extremely amusing. From time to time you'd get stories about 'sockpit voice recorders' and suchness, though.

Using an SSL connection from the client to the proxy makes it pretty hard for big brother to determine what all you're up to.

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One of the issues raised by the DeCSS case is "is code a form of expression?". Come here for my initial effort to turn any piece of C-code into a recipe book (well, kinda sorta. Different streams of consciousness flowed while I was writing it.):


http://www.mit.edu/~ocschwar/recipe.pl


I'll edit this in my "copious free time", and hopefully you can settle for this announcement when it comes to license issues: It's GPL'd.

If any of you feel like giving me the regexps I need for this, please email me.

>It's one of the larger news items of the day, but >we've sorta avoided mentioning it here because it >is really 'just another Denial of Service >Attack'. But it's the biggest one ever Actually, it was one of the larger news items yesterday, today it's just old news. And, it was the biggest one ever yesterday as well, so why wait 'till today to fess up that you missed the boat on this one? Also, where's the YRO news about the UCITA story? Yeah, I know... it's not news until you think it's news, right?

I just got wind of this. It seems a web service for reading Usenet will be highlighting keywords within the articles displayed through their site with links to advertisers who have purchased that service. The press release from the service itself is here. It is high time to start digitally signing everything with either PGP or GPG and licensing it only for unaltered redistribution.

This comment is licensed under the OpenContent License (OPL) Version 1.0, July 14, 1998. The relevant paragraphs concerning modification are as follows:

2. You may modify your copy or copies of the OpenContent or any portion of it, thus forming works based on the Content, and distribute such modifications or work under the terms of Section 1 above, provided that you also meet all of these conditions:

a) You must cause the modified content to carry prominent notices stating that you changed it, the exact nature and content of the changes, and the date of any change.

b) You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in whole or in part contains or is derived from the OC or any part thereof, to be licensed as a whole at no charge to all third parties under the terms of this License, unless otherwise permitted under applicable Fair Use law.

Well, I didn't give you any evidence, but let me check again. Oh yeah. Read Part Four of The Hacker Crackdown again. A search would have turned that up, along with other possible links, too.

Here's a quote. If you don't like it, whine to Bruce Sterling.

Before we tackle the vexing question as to why a rock lyricist should be interviewed by the FBI in a computercrime case, it might be well to say a word or two about the Grateful Dead. The Grateful Dead are perhaps the most successful and long-lasting of the numerous cultural emanations from the Haight-Ashbury district of San Francisco, in the glory days of Movement politics and lysergic transcendance. The Grateful Dead are a nexus, a veritable whirlwind, of applique decals, psychedelic vans, tie-dyed T-shirts, earth-color denim, frenzied dancing and open and unashamed drug use. The symbols, and the realities, of Californian freak power surround the Grateful Dead like knotted macrame.

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For the first point, look at this page and scroll down to the "face recognition" section. I have also read about a guy that had lived with a set like that for a couple of days but I have lost the link.

Lenny Foner wrote an interesting and entertaining paper back in 1993 about Michael Mauldin's Julia bot, which lived on MUDs and managed to fool some guy named Barry who kept hitting on "her". As Foner comments, though, it's not clear whether Julia passed the Turing Test or Barry failed it.

Lenny Foner wrote an interesting and entertaining paper back in 1993 about Michael Mauldin's Julia bot, which lived on MUDs and managed to fool some guy named Barry who kept hitting on "her". As Foner comments, though, it's not clear whether Julia passed the Turing Test or Barry failed it.

I've been building a public list of people who hold copies of deCSS and aren't afraid to announce this fact. The list serves two purposes:

• First, if it grows large, it proves that deCSS is already so widely distributed that further legal action is pointless from a practical perspective. This is already blazingly obvious to Slashdotters, but the media, the courts, and MPAA apparently need to be educated. The sooner legal action is recognized as futile, the sooner this sad episode will end.
• Second, the list is a way to stand up to MPAA's disgusting intimidation campaign. The MPAA's spin is that people associated with deCSS are all shady hacker-types-- digital criminals. I'd like to respond with this list of decent people who are not afraid to publicly state their NAME and LOCATION and the fact that they are DAMN WELL going to exercise their liberties whether the MPAA likes it or not.

The list is growing steadily, but slowly. So far, 10 US states and 5 countries are represented.

But I've made a truly gloomy discovery. I've received numerous comments to the effect, "This is a horrible idea-- now the MPAA will know just who to go after!" I could weep. These comments indicate that with almost no effort, the MPAA has intimidated a great many people into believing that exercising their rights is a bad idea. Freedoms that will exist on the net for decades are being determined now; this is not a good time to scurry off into the shadows whenever some corporation emits a spate of nasty lawyer-letters.

Now this is a list of deCSS holders, not distributors, and to date no one has been threatened for merely possessing deCSS. Still, taking on even minimal risk of a lawsuit-- even a baseless one-- could be unwise for some. This said, I hope that more people will, after considering the pros and cons, sign up .

(Since someone will ask: no, I'm not an MPAA secret agent; here's me, if you want to check.)

I've been building a public list of people who hold copies of deCSS and aren't afraid to announce this fact. The list serves two purposes:

• First, if it grows large, it proves that deCSS is already so widely distributed that further legal action is pointless from a practical perspective. This is already blazingly obvious to Slashdotters, but the media, the courts, and MPAA apparently need to be educated. The sooner legal action is recognized as futile, the sooner this sad episode will end.
• Second, the list is a way to stand up to MPAA's disgusting intimidation campaign. The MPAA's spin is that people associated with deCSS are all shady hacker-types-- digital criminals. I'd like to respond with this list of decent people who are not afraid to publicly state their NAME and LOCATION and the fact that they are DAMN WELL going to exercise their liberties whether the MPAA likes it or not.

The list is growing steadily, but slowly. So far, 10 US states and 5 countries are represented.

But I've made a truly gloomy discovery. I've received numerous comments to the effect, "This is a horrible idea-- now the MPAA will know just who to go after!" I could weep. These comments indicate that with almost no effort, the MPAA has intimidated a great many people into believing that exercising their rights is a bad idea. Freedoms that will exist on the net for decades are being determined now; this is not a good time to scurry off into the shadows whenever some corporation emits a spate of nasty lawyer-letters.

Now this is a list of deCSS holders, not distributors, and to date no one has been threatened for merely possessing deCSS. Still, taking on even minimal risk of a lawsuit-- even a baseless one-- could be unwise for some. This said, I hope that more people will, after considering the pros and cons, sign up .

(Since someone will ask: no, I'm not an MPAA secret agent; here's me, if you want to check.)

I've been building a public list of people who hold copies of deCSS and aren't afraid to announce this fact. The list serves two purposes:

• First, if it grows large, it proves that deCSS is already so widely distributed that further legal action is pointless from a practical perspective. This is already blazingly obvious to Slashdotters, but the media, the courts, and MPAA apparently need to be educated. The sooner legal action is recognized as futile, the sooner this sad episode will end.
• Second, the list is a way to stand up to MPAA's disgusting intimidation campaign. The MPAA's spin is that people associated with deCSS are all shady hacker-types-- digital criminals. I'd like to respond with this list of decent people who are not afraid to publicly state their NAME and LOCATION and the fact that they are DAMN WELL going to exercise their liberties whether the MPAA likes it or not.

The list is growing steadily, but slowly. So far, 10 US states and 5 countries are represented.

But I've made a truly gloomy discovery. I've received numerous comments to the effect, "This is a horrible idea-- now the MPAA will know just who to go after!" I could weep. These comments indicate that with almost no effort, the MPAA has intimidated a great many people into believing that exercising their rights is a bad idea. Freedoms that will exist on the net for decades are being determined now; this is not a good time to scurry off into the shadows whenever some corporation emits a spate of nasty lawyer-letters.

Now this is a list of deCSS holders, not distributors, and to date no one has been threatened for merely possessing deCSS. Still, taking on even minimal risk of a lawsuit-- even a baseless one-- could be unwise for some. This said, I hope that more people will, after considering the pros and cons, sign up .

(Since someone will ask: no, I'm not an MPAA secret agent; here's me, if you want to check.)

Wirehead dun said:

Any students threatened by such a policy should notify the administration that discount calling card services can be used to the same effect... Heads up on that one- I was an Over the Road truck driver for many years, payphone providers regularly block access to the 1-800 numbers used to connect to discount calling cards. It would be trivial for the campii (sp?) to do the same thing.

First off, it may be trivial, but it's also quite illegal. You see, legally, telephone providers (including universities and payphone providers) cannot block access to 1-800 numbers for calling cards, 10-10-xxx numbers, etc. because of several laws (including the Telecommunications Act of 1996, mandating that phone companies open up local lines to competition) and because of telephone companies' special legal status of a common carrier.

This is not to say that phone companies don't do it illegally, though. Many university phone providers illegally block 1-800 access numbers and 10-10-xxx access numbers; COCOT pay phones (COCOTS are small, for-profit telephone companies outside the local monopolies that run pay phone services in which the person who allows the phone on his property gets a considerable cut--in fact, many of the same parties that run COCOT pay phones also run university phone systems) are downright infamous for blocking equal access, as are hotel telephone services; occasionally, one of the "big boy" telcos will do it as well (I've run into GTE pay phones at Bristol Motor Speedway that will not accept access to other phone companies--neither by calling card nor by 10-10-xxx number--though fortunately they've not figured out how to block personal 1-800 numbers yet :).

If your university/pay phone/etc. IS blocking 1-800 access numbers for collect calls or calling cards, and/or if it blocks 10-10-xxx phone numbers, give a call to your state's Public Utilities Commission (it is normally in the phone book in the information section or in the Blue Pages). Explain that the telco is blocking equal access by blocking 10-10-xxx or calling-card access (whichever applies)--as noted, this is flatly illegal, and it is one of the few things that PSCs and the FCC (which regulates the telephone industry) will clue-by-four telephone companies over (some COCOT operators have actually lost their "license" to operate a telephone company because they blocked equal access).

I suspect that most universities that use these COCOT-style services as "dorm telephone service" aren't aware of the laws regarding equal access, and think of it as a "business agreement" much like they'd see an exclusive contract with a soft-drink distributor. Alas, Coke and Pepsi distributors generally aren't subject to common-carrier laws like telcos are :)

You'll also want to contact the phone company you have calling-card access with (or whom you get 10-10-xxx access through) and notify them that your university (or COCOT phones) are blocking access to alternate providers. Many long-distance companies are all too happy to sic the FCC on folks who illegally block 1-800 calling-card access and/or 10-10-xxx access (AT&T among them).

More info than you ever cared to see about telcos, and the laws affecting them, here, and info specifically on equal access here and h ere and even a cute little Postscript complaint sticker that gives info about the laws regarding equal access. :)

Wirehead dun said:

Any students threatened by such a policy should notify the administration that discount calling card services can be used to the same effect... Heads up on that one- I was an Over the Road truck driver for many years, payphone providers regularly block access to the 1-800 numbers used to connect to discount calling cards. It would be trivial for the campii (sp?) to do the same thing.

First off, it may be trivial, but it's also quite illegal. You see, legally, telephone providers (including universities and payphone providers) cannot block access to 1-800 numbers for calling cards, 10-10-xxx numbers, etc. because of several laws (including the Telecommunications Act of 1996, mandating that phone companies open up local lines to competition) and because of telephone companies' special legal status of a common carrier.

This is not to say that phone companies don't do it illegally, though. Many university phone providers illegally block 1-800 access numbers and 10-10-xxx access numbers; COCOT pay phones (COCOTS are small, for-profit telephone companies outside the local monopolies that run pay phone services in which the person who allows the phone on his property gets a considerable cut--in fact, many of the same parties that run COCOT pay phones also run university phone systems) are downright infamous for blocking equal access, as are hotel telephone services; occasionally, one of the "big boy" telcos will do it as well (I've run into GTE pay phones at Bristol Motor Speedway that will not accept access to other phone companies--neither by calling card nor by 10-10-xxx number--though fortunately they've not figured out how to block personal 1-800 numbers yet :).

If your university/pay phone/etc. IS blocking 1-800 access numbers for collect calls or calling cards, and/or if it blocks 10-10-xxx phone numbers, give a call to your state's Public Utilities Commission (it is normally in the phone book in the information section or in the Blue Pages). Explain that the telco is blocking equal access by blocking 10-10-xxx or calling-card access (whichever applies)--as noted, this is flatly illegal, and it is one of the few things that PSCs and the FCC (which regulates the telephone industry) will clue-by-four telephone companies over (some COCOT operators have actually lost their "license" to operate a telephone company because they blocked equal access).

I suspect that most universities that use these COCOT-style services as "dorm telephone service" aren't aware of the laws regarding equal access, and think of it as a "business agreement" much like they'd see an exclusive contract with a soft-drink distributor. Alas, Coke and Pepsi distributors generally aren't subject to common-carrier laws like telcos are :)

You'll also want to contact the phone company you have calling-card access with (or whom you get 10-10-xxx access through) and notify them that your university (or COCOT phones) are blocking access to alternate providers. Many long-distance companies are all too happy to sic the FCC on folks who illegally block 1-800 calling-card access and/or 10-10-xxx access (AT&T among them).

More info than you ever cared to see about telcos, and the laws affecting them, here, and info specifically on equal access here and h ere and even a cute little Postscript complaint sticker that gives info about the laws regarding equal access. :)

Wirehead dun said:

Any students threatened by such a policy should notify the administration that discount calling card services can be used to the same effect... Heads up on that one- I was an Over the Road truck driver for many years, payphone providers regularly block access to the 1-800 numbers used to connect to discount calling cards. It would be trivial for the campii (sp?) to do the same thing.

First off, it may be trivial, but it's also quite illegal. You see, legally, telephone providers (including universities and payphone providers) cannot block access to 1-800 numbers for calling cards, 10-10-xxx numbers, etc. because of several laws (including the Telecommunications Act of 1996, mandating that phone companies open up local lines to competition) and because of telephone companies' special legal status of a common carrier.

This is not to say that phone companies don't do it illegally, though. Many university phone providers illegally block 1-800 access numbers and 10-10-xxx access numbers; COCOT pay phones (COCOTS are small, for-profit telephone companies outside the local monopolies that run pay phone services in which the person who allows the phone on his property gets a considerable cut--in fact, many of the same parties that run COCOT pay phones also run university phone systems) are downright infamous for blocking equal access, as are hotel telephone services; occasionally, one of the "big boy" telcos will do it as well (I've run into GTE pay phones at Bristol Motor Speedway that will not accept access to other phone companies--neither by calling card nor by 10-10-xxx number--though fortunately they've not figured out how to block personal 1-800 numbers yet :).

If your university/pay phone/etc. IS blocking 1-800 access numbers for collect calls or calling cards, and/or if it blocks 10-10-xxx phone numbers, give a call to your state's Public Utilities Commission (it is normally in the phone book in the information section or in the Blue Pages). Explain that the telco is blocking equal access by blocking 10-10-xxx or calling-card access (whichever applies)--as noted, this is flatly illegal, and it is one of the few things that PSCs and the FCC (which regulates the telephone industry) will clue-by-four telephone companies over (some COCOT operators have actually lost their "license" to operate a telephone company because they blocked equal access).

I suspect that most universities that use these COCOT-style services as "dorm telephone service" aren't aware of the laws regarding equal access, and think of it as a "business agreement" much like they'd see an exclusive contract with a soft-drink distributor. Alas, Coke and Pepsi distributors generally aren't subject to common-carrier laws like telcos are :)

You'll also want to contact the phone company you have calling-card access with (or whom you get 10-10-xxx access through) and notify them that your university (or COCOT phones) are blocking access to alternate providers. Many long-distance companies are all too happy to sic the FCC on folks who illegally block 1-800 calling-card access and/or 10-10-xxx access (AT&T among them).

More info than you ever cared to see about telcos, and the laws affecting them, here, and info specifically on equal access here and h ere and even a cute little Postscript complaint sticker that gives info about the laws regarding equal access. :)

Wirehead dun said:

Any students threatened by such a policy should notify the administration that discount calling card services can be used to the same effect... Heads up on that one- I was an Over the Road truck driver for many years, payphone providers regularly block access to the 1-800 numbers used to connect to discount calling cards. It would be trivial for the campii (sp?) to do the same thing.

First off, it may be trivial, but it's also quite illegal. You see, legally, telephone providers (including universities and payphone providers) cannot block access to 1-800 numbers for calling cards, 10-10-xxx numbers, etc. because of several laws (including the Telecommunications Act of 1996, mandating that phone companies open up local lines to competition) and because of telephone companies' special legal status of a common carrier.

This is not to say that phone companies don't do it illegally, though. Many university phone providers illegally block 1-800 access numbers and 10-10-xxx access numbers; COCOT pay phones (COCOTS are small, for-profit telephone companies outside the local monopolies that run pay phone services in which the person who allows the phone on his property gets a considerable cut--in fact, many of the same parties that run COCOT pay phones also run university phone systems) are downright infamous for blocking equal access, as are hotel telephone services; occasionally, one of the "big boy" telcos will do it as well (I've run into GTE pay phones at Bristol Motor Speedway that will not accept access to other phone companies--neither by calling card nor by 10-10-xxx number--though fortunately they've not figured out how to block personal 1-800 numbers yet :).

If your university/pay phone/etc. IS blocking 1-800 access numbers for collect calls or calling cards, and/or if it blocks 10-10-xxx phone numbers, give a call to your state's Public Utilities Commission (it is normally in the phone book in the information section or in the Blue Pages). Explain that the telco is blocking equal access by blocking 10-10-xxx or calling-card access (whichever applies)--as noted, this is flatly illegal, and it is one of the few things that PSCs and the FCC (which regulates the telephone industry) will clue-by-four telephone companies over (some COCOT operators have actually lost their "license" to operate a telephone company because they blocked equal access).

I suspect that most universities that use these COCOT-style services as "dorm telephone service" aren't aware of the laws regarding equal access, and think of it as a "business agreement" much like they'd see an exclusive contract with a soft-drink distributor. Alas, Coke and Pepsi distributors generally aren't subject to common-carrier laws like telcos are :)

You'll also want to contact the phone company you have calling-card access with (or whom you get 10-10-xxx access through) and notify them that your university (or COCOT phones) are blocking access to alternate providers. Many long-distance companies are all too happy to sic the FCC on folks who illegally block 1-800 calling-card access and/or 10-10-xxx access (AT&T among them).

More info than you ever cared to see about telcos, and the laws affecting them, here, and info specifically on equal access here and h ere and even a cute little Postscript complaint sticker that gives info about the laws regarding equal access. :)

Unless the rules have changed, the FCC prohibits telephone aggregators from blocking "950" and "800" access to long distance carriers. The definition of aggregators include hotels and motels, hospitals, universities, airports, gas stations, pay telephone owners, and others. The FCC Report and Order can be read here.

First off, the standard disclaimer: IANAL. But I can use Google to find and read what Lawyers have already written.

Item 1:

A. Michael Froomkin, Associate Professor, University of Miami School of Law writes in his article "The Metaphor is the Key": Simply putting something into a safe does not, however, ensure that it is beyond the law's reach. It is settled law that a criminal defendant can be forced to surrender the physical key to a physical safe, so long as the act of production is not testimonial.{706} Presumably a similar rule compelling production would apply to a criminal defendant who has written down the combination to a safe on a piece of paper. There appears to be no authority on whether a criminal defendant can be compelled to disclose the combination to a safe that the defendant has prudently refrained from committing to writing, and in Fisher v. United States,{707} the Supreme Court hinted that compelling the disclosure of documents similar to a safe's combination might raise Fifth Amendment problems.{708} Perhaps the combination lock problem does not arise because the police are able to get the information from the manufacturer or are simply able to cut into the safe. These options do not exist when the safe is replaced by the right algorithm. Although brute-force cryptography is a theoretical possibility,{709} neither safe cracking, nor number crunching, nor an appeal to the manufacturer is a practical option when the armor is an advanced cipher. The recently released Federal Guidelines for Searching and Seizing[Page 872]Computers{710} suggest that "[i]n some cases, it might be appropriate to compel a third party who may know the password (or even the suspect) to disclose it by subpoena (with limited immunity, if appropriate)."{711}

(The numbers are footnotes to specific cases)

Item 2:

The Crypto and Self-Incrimination FAQ simply lists (for America... it also covers a few other countries): "The Fifth Amendment of the Bill of Rights reads: "No person (...) shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself". The Supreme Court has restricted this to giving evidence "of a testimonial or communicative nature". ". It also lists several cases that apply.

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Evan --

I'm not compiling a list of self-confessed criminals; I'm making a list of upstanding citizens who are openly excercising what we believe to be a legitimate right, albeit in the face of corporate intimidation tactics.

I do not think that when my rights are threatened by a corporate bully, the proper response is to scuttle down into anonymous skulking until the matter blows over. I do not think this is how personal freedoms are won. Quite the opposite; I think the proper response is to say, "Hi! I'm Eric Lehman, a contributing citizen of the United States residing at 5 Michael Way, Cambridge MA 02141, and I'm not going along with this bullshit." As one person joining the list noted, "Wrong is wrong and doing nothing about the wrong we know about is even MORE wrong..."

That said, I think there are two reasonable objectives:

• Disseminate the deCSS code everywhere to defeat the MPAA's crackdown in a practical sense.
• Make the absurdity of the crackdown apparent to the media and courts by showing that deCSS is now everywhere.

I think that the first objective is already achieved-- deCSS is too widely distributed to stamp out. But this achievement came at a price: several people are being sued and hundreds are under threat. These people will remain in jeopardy until the second objective is achieved, until the media, courts, and MPAA understand that continuing legal harassment is utterly pointless because deCSS is everywhere. Only then will the people who already stood up to the MPAA-- and paid a price-- be in the clear.

I find it difficult to believe that people on the list could be sued for merely *possessing a copy* of deCSS, as opposed to distributing it. Well, it's crazy, but I guess anything is possible. Of course, I hope your post advocating proliferation of the code doesn't get you sued!

If you feel that joining the list is unwise given your particular life circumstances, I respect your judgement. But I don't think you should mock people who decide to take a little personal risk to oppose the MPAA in an open, forthright way. In fact, I'd like to take the opportunity to thank the people who have done so. I hope enough others will sign up to make a real impact.

I'm starting up a list of people holding copies of DeCSS, and I want everyone to sign up!

Here's why this is important:

Nerds know that the legal proceedings are farcical. MPAA is spawning emergency court proceedings, preliminary injunctions, and police raids. But no judge, no lawyers, no Norwegian police can make DeCSS go away, because thousands of decent foks are fuming and patting personal copies of the code.

But the media and the courts don't know that litigation is only a black comedy; they don't understand that DeCSS is *out of the bag* for good.

So I want to unambiguously *PROVE* that DeCSS is so widely distributed that further legal action is silly. I want to give the media hard numbers on DeCSS proliferation.

That's why I'm starting up a list of people holding copies of DeCSS. You can help stop the MPAA rampage. If you hold a copy of DeCSS, please sign up and get your friends to as well.

I'm starting up a list of people holding copies of DeCSS, and I want everyone to sign up!

Here's why this is important:

Nerds know that the legal proceedings are farcical. MPAA is spawning emergency court proceedings, preliminary injunctions, and police raids. But no judge, no lawyers, no Norwegian police can make DeCSS go away, because thousands of decent foks are fuming and patting personal copies of the code.

But the media and the courts don't know that litigation is only a black comedy; they don't understand that DeCSS is *out of the bag* for good.

So I want to unambiguously *PROVE* that DeCSS is so widely distributed that further legal action is silly. I want to give the media hard numbers on DeCSS proliferation.

That's why I'm starting up a list of people holding copies of DeCSS. You can help stop the MPAA rampage. If you hold a copy of DeCSS, please sign up and get your friends to as well.

This was actually a topic of my master's thesis. More information on my FLEX compiler project. Both the RAW and the FLEX groups here at MIT have compilers that do bitwidth analysis.

I'm very pissed that JED isn't one of the editors listed. It totally rocks, and I'm very sure tons of other people think so. Why give the duopoly of vim and emacs money? ;)

Freshmeat entry
Author's homepage

ICQ#2584116

Let's prove to the outside world that DeCSS has "gone mainstream".

Join my list of people holding copies of DeCSS.

If you hold a copy of DeCSS, email the following info on the subject line to e_lehman@mit.edu:

DeCSS - (last name), (first name) - (city), (state), (country)

Append a * if and only if you would like to express interest in a mass, simultaneous web-posting of DeCSS at some future date, should the MPAA prove relentless.

If the list grows to thousands, this negates the MPAA lawsuit in practical terms. Go ahead, sue 3 guys: there are thousands more where they came from.

Furthermore, we can make an important point that everyone-- not just geeks-- should understand in this case and for the future: bulldog lawyers, lobbyist-written laws, and PR goons can't prevent decent people from distributing decent stuff via the net.

Not worth your time to defend freedom of speech on the net? Take a look at Option B.

The individual liberties that will exist on the net for decades to come are being hashed out NOW. A lot of posters are clearly struggling to fairly balance copyright, trade secret, and patent issues against free speech on the net. This is certainly commendable, but anyone think the MPAA will temper their position one iota out of deference to free speech? I don't think so. This is a major, precendent-setting case, so let's win.

Mutual defense is orthogonal to the idea of free software. 3dfx, Intel, and Microsoft--who all depend on proprietary software--could participate if they ceased their patent aggression.

I've created a web page to make a practical point: DeCSS is now so widely distributed that further legal action by the MPAA is silly. I think that the sooner the media, the courts, and the MPAA understand this point, the sooner this sorry episode will end. (Though MPAA's motives are so murky-- who knows?)

The page will simply list people who hold copies of DeCSS. If the list becomes large enough, I will try to notify the media, so that the absurdity of trying to stamp out DeCSS through legal bludgeoning becomes apparent to all.

Feel free to check out the site and join the effort. (As of this posting, I'm the only one listed! :) )

I do note that IBM has VisualAge COBOL, but where are the Qt bindings?

... And when will you be putting fixed-record support into ext2?

Which one of the COBOL environments provides a metaobject protocol? (Just as CLOS - Common Lisp Object System has, as does C++ as does Guile with GOOPS

Hmm? Hmm? Inquiring minds want to know...

>> C will always be the language of choice for platforms.


Why? Is this for technical or social reasons?
Lisp and Smalltalk have been used to implement operating systems,HTTP servers, and database systems and quite efficient and powerful ones at that. What advantage does C have besides being close to the hardware?

examples:
Li sp Machines
CL-HTTP Hypermedia Server
Squeak
Pluggable Webserver and Swiki
MinneStore
GemStone

BTW, for anyone interested there is the COG project at MIT, doing research into a humanoid robot, it is VERY impressive.

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo." --Anon of Ibid (or somebody)

Seriously, though, while I'm not accusing Rodney Brooks & Co. of being frauds, I do think they're getting credit for a lot more than they've really done. Reactive control is wonderful for simple systems. In the MIT robot competitions, the second-place robot is generally some simple reactive design. (At Dartmouth, the first-place robot was, but the last Dartmouth robot competition had a bot construction/program time of about six weeks.)

However, the robot that wins out is generally not using a Cog-like architecture; it's usually one of the designs that uses a more artificial method of intelligence and navigation. The problem with reactive control is that it's easy to build and debug for simple systems, but as you add more functions and layers the connections and interactions become too much for even an MIT mind to handle. Brooks even says as much in one of his early papers on subsumptionism.

There's also Brooks' admission in his own FAQ that even the simple ant robots they've built are utterly unreproducible. IMHO, it's not that great if you can build something once but can't tell other people how to reproduce it.

This isn't meant to be a whole bunch of doomsaying about reactive design --- I think it's appropriate in some circumstances, and I've used it myself when I needed a simple barely-effective hack. It's just that sometimes it feels like the Cog Shop and their academic relations would like people to believe that they're the ultimate solution to all of robotics, and I don't think that's going to happen. It's too hard to use their methods in a general and structured manner to build systems that have anything resembling guaranteed behavior.

Alik

Here's yet another mirror.

Apparently you only get this famous after you die and you finally can't stop the media from talking about you--it sounds like the story of her life.

Here's a link from before she died...

MIT Inventors

Now, the Forbes article was pretty good. I can understand how someone with her background could help out on an idea like this, but she certainly didn't invent it outright, which is what the Wired article sounds like. Maybe we could have gotten the full story before, but she's dead now, and let the media make a story about it all they want, they always do...
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Temporary restraining order DENIED!

Thanks to the efforts of the Electronic Frontier Foundation and the organization and support provided by a few of our fellow defendants we are still here! Another hearing is scheduled for January 14th.

We would like to point out to all of the mirror sites with things like "fuck the lawyers" on them that it is because of a generous group of lawyers that we are still here. These lawyers are working for free (or much less than they could get by going over to the Dark Side) and don't deserve this kind of abuse.

Here is the EFF's stance on this case.

Save a copy of this web page now!

We have just been informed that the DVD Copy Control Association is seeking a restraining order against us (named as "Doe 28") for distributing DeCSS and linking to pages that distribute it and linking to pages that link to pages that distribute it.

Section 48 of this request states that we supposedly "have received notice through the MPA and refused to remove the information at issue". This is absolutely false! We have never received any such request (from the MPA or anybody else for that matter) and we obviously were not given the opportunity to refuse! Either Jared Bobrow needs to go back to law school or the DVD CCA needs to get a new firm. This is the kind of sloppy work that could get an important document thrown out.

Here is a 2600 story on this.

Explanation on legality of this information

The software (source as well as binaries) offered on this site can be freely redistributed because it was published under the GNU General Public License. The purpose of this software is not illegal copying of DVD disks. It is meant to provide information necessary to be able to program a DVD player for Linux. To do this, the CSS system needs to be incorporated in the player. Recently the (very weak) DVD content scrambling system was deciphered, freeing the way for a Linux DVD player. The CSS system is not a copy protection system, since it does not prevent copying of the disk. Writing information about the way an encryption scheme functions is completely legal. The source code and binaries on this site are completely legal too, since they contain no code from the DVD consortium or its members. The sources and programs on this site were written by third parties using clean-room reverse engineering methods which are (ready?) completly legal.

Attention www.rhythm.cx was hosting a list of mirrors for these files. That list of mirrors has been replaced with a page reading "This site has been taken down for legal reasons." Here's what the maintainer put on the site the day it was shut down:

NOTE (Thu, Nov 11, 12:17pm EST): I've recently been informed that a law firm which is likely to be one that would try get these mirrors taken down has been visiting this mirror site as well as others. With that said, there is a possibility that I may have to remove this site in the near future because like everyone else, I can't afford to go to court to fight it. Luckly, it seems fairly unlikely that any law firm will ever be able to get rid of all these mirrors at this point (there are currently 41 in 8 different countries and this list is growing every day). However, I have only seen very few mirror _lists_ like this one anyplace. If anyone has the resources, it might be wise to mirror this list of mirrors as well so that the right people will still know that these mirrors exist.

Here is a 2600 story with more details on how rhythm.cx was shut down.

Current Mirrors Last updated: Wed, Jan 19, 12:13am EST
Numbers are only for the maintainer's convenience

We apologize for the length of time between updates. This list has gotten quite large and thus more difficult to maintain.

Much thanks to this site for listing mirrors of the mirror lists.

1. http://www.humpin.org/decss/DeCSS.zip and http://www.humpin.org/decss/decss.tar.gz
   
   
2. http://www.2600.com/news/1999/11 12-files/DeCSS.zip/ and http://www.2600.com/news/1 999/1112-files/css-auth.tar.gz
   
3. http://douglas.min.net/~drw/css-auth/
   
4. http://www.devzero.org/freecss.html
   
5. http://www.chello.nl/~f .vanwaveren/css-auth/css-auth.tar.gz
   
6. http://www.geociti es.com/ResearchTriangle/Campus/8877/index.html
   
7. http://www.angelfire.com/mt/popefelix/
8. http://www.vexed.net/CSS
   
9. http://members.brabant.chello.nl/~j.vr eeken/
   
10. http://www.dvd.eavy.de/css-auth.tar.gz and http://www.dvd.eavy.de/DeCSS.zip
    
11. http://www.eavy.net/stuff/dvd/css-aut h.tar.gz and http://www.eavy.net/stuff/dvd/DeCSS.zip
    
12. http://frozenlinux.com/local/decss/in dex.html
    
13. http://dirtass.beyatch.net/decss.zip
    
14. http://decss.tripod.com/index.html
    
15. http://www.free-dvd.org.lu/
    
16. http://www.angelfire.com/in2/mirror/
    
17. http://batman.jytol.fi/~vuori/dvd/
    
18. http://www.zpok.demon.co.uk/deCSS/CSS.ht ml
    
19. http://plato.nebulanet.net:88/css/
    
20. http://www.logorrhea.com/main.html
    
21. http://people.delphi.com/salfter/LiVi d.tar.gz
    
22. ftp://193.219.56.32/pub/dvd/LiVi d.CVS-11.06.tar.gz and ftp://193.219.56. 32/pub/dvd/LiVid.CVS-11.06.css-stuff-only.tar.gz
    
23. http://merlin.keble.ox.ac.uk/~a drian/css/index.html
    
24. http://www.dvd-copy.com/
    
25. http://www.sent.freeserve.co.uk/css -auth.tar.gz and http://www.sent.freeserve.co.uk/DeCSS.zip
    
26. http://www.lemuria.org/DeCSS/
    
27. http://members.theglobe.com/avoiderm an/dvd.htm
    
28. http://remco.xgov.net/dvd/
    
29. http://www.twistedlogic.com/htm l/tl_archive_map.htm
    
30. http:/ /munitions.polkaroo.net/software/algorithms/stream ciphers/decss.tar.gz
    
31. http://muni tions.dyn.org/software/algorithms/streamciphers/de css.tar.gz
    
32. http://uk1. munitions.net/software/algorithms/streamciphers/de css.tar.gz
    
33. http://muni tions.firenze.linux.it/algorithms/streamciphers/de css.tar.gz
    
34. http://www.irgendeinedomain.de/decs s/index.html
    
35. http://therapy.endorphin.org/DVD/
    
36. http://killer.discordia.ch /Politics/Copyprotection.phtml
    
37. http://linuxvideo.org/
    
38. http://www.geocities.com/SiliconV alley/Port/3224/
    
39. ftp://ftp.one.net/pub/user s/dmahurin/files/software/dvd/
    
40. ftp://ftp.charm.net/pub/usr/home/dutch/ or http://www.charm.net/~dutch/
    
41. http://dsl129.drizzle.com:2001/downlo ads/DVD/
    
42. http://perso.libertysurf. fr/ortal98/dvd_rip/decss_12b.zip
43. http://users.drak.net/bem ann/software/css/css-auth.tar.gz and http://users.drak.net/bemann/so ftware/css/DeCSS.zip
    
44. http://www.angelfire.com/movies/decss
    
45. http://www.angelfire.com/myband/decss/
46. http://josefine.ben.tuwien.ac.at/~davi d/dvd/
    
47. http://www.c0ke.com/DVD/
    
48. http://rockme.virtualave.net/
    
49. http://amor.rz.hu-berlin.de/~h0444t2v/
50. http://www.quintessenz.at/q/index.html
51. http://www.dvdlinks.co.uk/css/
    
52. http://www.fortunecit y.com/tinpan/tylerbridge/679/dvdcss.html
    
53. http://www.crosswinds.net/~valo/DeCSS/
54. http://members.home.com/christopherlee/ dvd/
    
55. http://members.xoom.com/freedecss/
    
56. http://www.dynamsol.com/satanix/DeCSS.zip and http://www.dynamsol.com/satanix/css -auth.tar.gz
    
57. http://mun itions.cifs.org/software/algorithms/streamciphers/ decss.tar.gz
    
58. http://www.able-towers.com/~flow/
    
59. http://www.cgocable.net/~jdionne/css/
    
60. http://people.mn.mediaone.net/bojay/s lashdot/
    
61. http://www.capital.net/~mazzic
    
62. http://24.108.23.121/DeCSS/
    
63. http://members.tripod.com/donotsueme/
    
64. http://donotsueme.homepage.com
    
65. http://www.homestead.com/donotsueme/ index.html
    
66. http://donotsueme.freeservers.com/
    
67. http://www.angelfire.com/punk/donotsueme/
    
68. http://www.rz.uni-frankfurt.de/~marsie/
    
69. http://209.178.22.9/protest/
    
70. http://www.bard.org.il/~marc/dvd
    
71. http://www.geocities.com/RainFor est/4360/decss.zip
    
72. http://www.altern.com/tfagart/decss.zip
    
73. http://www.itouch.net/~jm/dvd.html
    
74. http://ils.unc.edu/inls183/resources .shtml#DVD
    
75. http://avdira.cc.duth.gr/~kkonstan/css/
    
76. http://www.multimania.com/sxpert/decss/
    
77. http://www.posexperts.com.pl/peopl e/wrobell/css/
    
78. http://www.koek.net/dvd/
    
79. http://www.cyberchrist.org/freecss.html
    
80. http://www.ozemail.com.au/~cybe rchrist/freecss.html
    
81. http://www.planet.net.au/~coram/
    
82. http://www.geek.co.il/css/
    
83. http://www.datacomm.ch/adrien/decss/ index.html
    
84. http://home.rmci.net/bert/fuckthelawyers/
    
85. http://unimatrix.dyndns.org/fucklawyers/
    
86. http://www.isn.net/~dsimeone/DeCSS.zip
87. http://logical-solutions.com.au/DeCSS.zip
    
88. http://www.fsp.com/
    
89. http://www.warren-wilson.edu/~echerry/dvd
    
90. http://www.mafkees.com/dvd
    
91. http://dB.org/dvd/
    
92. http://dcwi.com/~wench/decss
    
93. http://dvdcss.newmail.ru
    
94. http://www.subcor.com
    
95. http://www.frankw.net/decss
    
96. http://danger-island.com/~dav/any.lawyer.who/quote s.this.url/gives.permission/for .his.residence.to.be.searched/any.bootleg.audio/vi deo/tape.found/nullifies.legal.and.moral .standing/
    
97. http://www.fortunecity.com/vi ctorian/parkwood/95/DVD/
    
98. http://www.asleep.net/dvd
    
99. http://members.xoom.com/NiKeX
    
100. http://www.geocit ies.com/ResearchTriangle/Station/2819/index.html
     
101. http://www.execpc.com/~unicorn/dvdmirr or.htm
     
102. http://members.xoom.com/chapter3/Mamma No.htm
     
103. http://wiw.org/~drz/css/
     
104. http://merlinjim.freeservers.com/dvd/
     
105. http://www.visi.com/~adept/liberty
     
106. http://www.ct2600.org/2600-DVD.html
     
107. http://magic.hurrah.com/~fireball/dvd/
108. ftp://ftp.foon.net/pub/decss
     
109. http://osiris.978.org/~brianr/css/
     
110. http://earnestdesigns.com/dvd
     
111. http://www.satl.com/~satlpop6/
     
112. ftp://cm-d0415.resnet.ucsc.edu/p ub/css-auth.tar.gz
     
113. http://www.mit.edu/afs/sipb/user /mycroft/css-auth/
     
114. http://www.eyrie.demon.co.uk/derek/dvd/c ss
     
115. http://ananke.hack.pl
     
116. http://budice.ancients.net/www.free -dvd.org.lu/
     
117. http://kesagatame.tripod.com
     
118. http://www.angelfire.com/pokemon/decss
119. http://www.gnosis.cx/download/DeCSS.zip
     
120. http://bone.powersurfr.com/DeCSS/
     
121. http://wakeupthe.net/dvd/
     
122. http://cubicmetercrystal.com/decss/
     
123. http://analyzethis.acmecity.com/triboro /90/
     
124. http://homepages.together.net/~ib nzahid/DeCSS.zip
     
125. http://www.save2600.8m.com
     
126. http://people.ne.mediaone.net/dantepsn/
     
127. http://members.xoom.com/mxpxguy/dvd/
     
128. http://decss.fall0ut.com
     
129. http://vedaa.tripod.com/decss.html
     
130. http://members.xoom.com/iox
     
131. http://www.hackunlimited.com/dvd/
     
132. http://hem.fyristorg.com/police/css.htm
     
133. http://elknews.netpedia.net/dvd/
     
134. http://www.idrive.com/decss/web
     
135. http://www.clug.com/~vodak/dvd/
     
136. http://www.nacs.net/~vodak/dvd/
     
137. http://ny2600.iwarp.com
     
138. http://www.wpi.edu/~nassar/dvd/
     
139. http://www.glue.umd.edu/~castongj
     
140. http://www.geocities.com/cold_dvd/
     
141. http://www.projectgamma.com/deccs/
     
142. http://members.xoom.com/mogreen/decss/
143. http://thrash.webjump.com/decss.zip
     
144. http://www.angelfire.com/de2/decss/dec ss.htm
     
145. http://www.ithink.org/dvd/
     
146. http://www.fortunecit y.com/skyscraper/motorola/1415/decss.htm
     
147. http://www.linuxstart.com/~kv ance/projects/decss.html
     
148. http://www.darkkingz.com/DeCSS.zip
     
149. http://ebmedia.net/dvd/
     
150. http://www.geocities.com/decss_forever/
     
151. http://revolution.3-cities.com/~spack/dv d/
     
152. http://www.geocities.com/Sili conValley/Software/8762/
     
153. http://smokering.org
     
154. http://www.sent.freeserve.co.uk/css -auth.tar.gz
     
155. http://dlsf.org
     
156. http://home.rmci.net/bert/dvd
     
157. http://thrash.webjump.com/decss.zip
     
158. http://linux.uci.agh.edu.pl/~outlaw/ decss.html
     
159. http://debian.mps.krakow.pl/mirror/css/
     
160. http://www.fission.org/~mangino
     
161. http://212.187.12.197/decss/
     
162. http://www.clarkson.edu/~andrixjr /decss/DeCSS.zip
     
163. http://www.geocities.com/Capitol Hill/1583/dvd.html
     
164. http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/dvd.htm
     
165. http://www.members.home.net/normanlorrai n/
     
166. http://home.swipnet.se/~w-18931/decss/
167. http://home.soneraplaza.nl/qn/prive/v alhalla/
     
168. http://www.robotslave.net
     
169. http://www.angelfire.com/punk/freedom/
170. http://www.corova.com/dvd/
     
171. http://2600.dk/mirrors/css/
     
172. http://dvdcrack.homepage.com
     
173. http://www.copkiller.org
     
174. http://www.worldcity.nl/~frank/dvd
     
175. http://members.xoom.com/iamkeenan/master/
     
176. http://www.adulation.net/css/
     
177. http://homepage.interacces s.com/~mycroft/decss/DeCSS.zip
     
178. http://underground.pl/dvd/
     
179. http://members.xoom.com/nyc2600
     
180. http://zerosoft.hypermart.net/warez/ DVDcrK.txt
     
181. http://www.deforest.org/CSS
     
182. http://www.xenoclast.demon.co.uk/main.ht ml
     
183. http://www.ctol.net/~ross/css-auth.tar.gz
     
184. http://www.xenoclast.demon.co.uk/main.ht ml
     
185. http://www.ctol.net/~ross/css-auth.tar.gz
     
186. http://www.geocities.com/SiliconV alley/File/3635/
     
187. http://members.xoom.com/a1010_2000/
     
188. http://decss.globalservice.hu/
     
189. http://members.xoom.com//_XMC M/madasian2000/index.htm
     
190. ftp://ftp.firehead.org/pub/
     
191. http://www.koek.net/dvd
     
192. http://www.mindspring.com/~stonethrower
     
193. http://www.geocitie s.com/SiliconValley/Hardware/6188/index.html
     
194. http://matt.frogspace.net/css/
     
195. ftp://www.spamshack.net/pub/dcss/
     
196. http://imezok.tripod.com/Untitled.txt
     
197. http://warpedreality.members.easyspace. com/
     
198. http://ts1.online.fr/dvd/
     
199. http://homepages.go.com/homepage s/4/0/3/403_error/
     
200. http://members.xoom.com/maud123/Home/C SS.htm
     
201. http://xtreme2k.8k.com/DeCSS/
     
202. http://hackingdvd.homestead.com/
     
203. http://www.geocities.com/corporatemi ndcontrol/
     
204. http://www.geocities.com/SoHo /Studios/6752/index.html
     
205. http://darklord.darkthrone.com/user s/smith/dvd/
     
206. http://www.image.dk/~mbp
     
207. http://www.divisionbyzero.com/decss/
     
208. http://decss.cx/
     

The Internet does not represent an infinite number of users (at least, not yet) but you're still more likely to get an infinite volume of monkey shit out of it while you try to dig up the works of Shakespere.

Or you could save time and go here.

Mirrors since 28-Dec-99 added by me.
To my main DVD page (containing list of lists of mirrors) Visit Humpin! (No, it's not what you think!)

Temporary restraining order DENIED!

Thanks to the efforts of the Electronic Frontier Foundation and the organization and support provided by a few of our fellow defendants we are still here! Another hearing is scheduled for January 14th.

We would like to point out to all of the mirror sites with things like "fuck the lawyers" on them that it is because of a generous group of lawyers that we are still here. These lawyers are working for free (or much less than they could get by going over to the Dark Side) and don't deserve this kind of abuse.

Here is the EFF's stance on this case.
If you need a REAL reason to host these files, try reading this. Truth has never been more purely distilled.

Save a copy of this web page now!

We have just been informed that the DVD Copy Control Association is seeking a restraining order against us (named as "Doe 28") for distributing DeCSS and linking to pages that distribute it and linking to pages that link to pages that distribute it.

Section 48 of this request states that we supposedly "have received notice through the MPA and refused to remove the information at issue". This is absolutely false! We have never received any such request (from the MPA or anybody else for that matter) and we obviously were not given the opportunity to refuse! Either Jared Bobrow needs to go back to law school or the DVD CCA needs to get a new firm. This is the kind of sloppy work that could get an important document thrown out.

Here is a 2600 story on this.

Explanation on legality of this information

The software (source as well as binaries) offered on this site can be freely redistributed because it was published under the GNU General Public License. The purpose of this software is not illegal copying of DVD disks. It is meant to provide information necessary to be able to program a DVD player for Linux. To do this, the CSS system needs to be incorporated in the player. Recently the (very weak) DVD content scrambling system was deciphered, freeing the way for a Linux DVD player. The CSS system is not a copy protection system, since it does not prevent copying of the disk. Writing information about the way an encryption scheme functions is completely legal. The source code and binaries on this site are completely legal too, since they contain no code from the DVD consortium or its members. The sources and programs on this site were written by third parties using clean-room reverse engineering methods which are (ready?) completly legal.

Attention www.rhythm.cx was hosting a list of mirrors for these files. That list of mirrors has been replaced with a page reading "This site has been taken down for legal reasons." Here's what the maintainer put on the site the day it was shut down:

NOTE (Thu, Nov 11, 12:17pm EST): I've recently been informed that a law firm which is likely to be one that would try get these mirrors taken down has been visiting this mirror site as well as others. With that said, there is a possibility that I may have to remove this site in the near future because like everyone else, I can't afford to go to court to fight it. Luckly, it seems fairly unlikely that any law firm will ever be able to get rid of all these mirrors at this point (there are currently 41 in 8 different countries and this list is growing every day). However, I have only seen very few mirror _lists_ like this one anyplace. If anyone has the resources, it might be wise to mirror this list of mirrors as well so that the right people will still know that these mirrors exist.

Here is a 2600 story with more details on how rhythm.cx was shut down.

Current Mirrors Last updated: Fri, Dec 31, 8:18pm EST
Numbers are only for the maintainer's convenience

Much thanks to this site for listing mirrors of the mirror lists.

1. http://www.humpin.org/decss/DeCSS.zip and http://www.humpin.org/decss/decss.tar.gz
   
   
2. http://www.2600.com/news/1999/11 12-files/DeCSS.zip/ and http://www.2600.com/news/1 999/1112-files/css-auth.tar.gz
   
3. http://douglas.min.net/~drw/css-auth/
   
4. http://www.devzero.org/freecss.html
   
5. http://www.chello.nl/~f .vanwaveren/css-auth/css-auth.tar.gz
   
6. http://www.geociti es.com/ResearchTriangle/Campus/8877/index.html
   
7. http://www.angelfire.com/mt/popefelix/
8. http://www.vexed.net/CSS
   
9. http://members.brabant.chello.nl/~j.vr eeken/
   
10. http://www.dvd.eavy.de/css-auth.tar.gz and http://www.dvd.eavy.de/DeCSS.zip
    
11. http://www.eavy.net/stuff/dvd/css-aut h.tar.gz and http://www.eavy.net/stuff/dvd/DeCSS.zip
    
12. http://frozenlinux.com/local/decss/in dex.html
    
13. http://www.unitycode.org/
    
14. http://dirtass.beyatch.net/decss.zip
    
15. http://decss.tripod.com/index.html
    
16. http://www.free-dvd.org.lu/
    
17. http://www.angelfire.com/in2/mirror/
    
18. http://batman.jytol.fi/~vuori/dvd/
    
19. http://www.zpok.demon.co.uk/deCSS/CSS.ht ml
    
20. http://plato.nebulanet.net:88/css/
    
21. http://www.logorrhea.com/main.html
    
22. http://people.delphi.com/salfter/LiVi d.tar.gz
    
23. ftp://193.219.56.32/pub/dvd/LiVi d.CVS-11.06.tar.gz and ftp://193.219.56. 32/pub/dvd/LiVid.CVS-11.06.css-stuff-only.tar.gz
    
24. http://merlin.keble.ox.ac.uk/~a drian/css/index.html
    
25. http://www.dvd-copy.com/
    
26. http://www.zip.com.au/~cs/dvd/css /css-auth.tar.gz and http://www.zip.com.au/~cs/dvd/css/DeCSS .zip
    
27. http://www.sent.freeserve.co.uk/css -auth.tar.gz and http://www.sent.freeserve.co.uk/DeCSS.zip
    
28. http://members.tripod.lycos.nl/jvz/
    
29. http://www.lemuria.org/DeCSS/
    
30. http://members.theglobe.com/avoiderm an/dvd.htm
    
31. http://remco.xgov.net/dvd/
    
32. ftp://dvd:dvd@206.98.63.136
    
33. http://www.twistedlogic.com/htm l/tl_archive_map.htm
    
34. http://mu nitions.vipul.net/software/algorithms/streamcipher s/decss.tar.gz
    
35. http:/ /munitions.polkaroo.net/software/algorithms/stream ciphers/decss.tar.gz
    
36. http://muni tions.dyn.org/software/algorithms/streamciphers/de css.tar.gz
    
37. http://uk1. munitions.net/software/algorithms/streamciphers/de css.tar.gz
    
38. http://134.100.185.221/decss/
    
39. http://muni tions.firenze.linux.it/algorithms/streamciphers/de css.tar.gz
    
40. http://www.tasam.com/~fenkt/dvd/
    
41. http://therapy.endorphin.org/DVD/
    
42. http://killer.discordia.ch /Politics/Copyprotection.phtml
    
43. http://livid.on.openprojects.net
    
44. http://www.geocities.com/SiliconV alley/Port/3224/
    
45. ftp://ftp.one.net/pub/user s/dmahurin/files/software/dvd/
    
46. ftp://ftp.charm.net/pub/usr/home/dutch/ or http://www.charm.net/~dutch/
    
47. http://dsl129.drizzle.com:2001/downlo ads/DVD/
    
48. http://perso.libertysurf. fr/ortal98/dvd_rip/decss_12b.zip
49. http://users.drak.net/bem ann/software/css/css-auth.tar.gz and http://users.drak.net/bemann/so ftware/css/DeCSS.zip
    
50. http://www.angelfire.com/movies/decss
    
51. http://members.tripod.co.uk/bap/css/cs s.html
    
52. http://www.angelfire.com/myband/decss/
53. http://josefine.ben.tuwien.ac.at/~davi d/dvd/
    
54. http://www.c0ke.com/DVD/
    
55. http://rockme.virtualave.net/
    
56. http://amor.rz.hu-berlin.de/~h0444t2v/
57. http://www.quintessenz.at/q/index.html
58. http://www.dvdlinks.co.uk/css/
    
59. http://www.fortunecit y.com/tinpan/tylerbridge/679/dvdcss.html
    
60. http://www.crosswinds.net/~valo/DeCSS/
61. http://members.home.com/christopherlee/ dvd/
    
62. http://members.xoom.com/freedecss/
    
63. http://63.225.181.97/decss/
    
64. ftp://alma.dhs.org/pub/DVD/
    
65. http://www.dynamsol.com/satanix/DeCSS.zip and http://www.dynamsol.com/satanix/css -auth.tar.gz
    
66. http://mun itions.cifs.org/software/algorithms/streamciphers/ decss.tar.gz
    
67. http://www.able-towers.com/~flow/
    
68. http://www.cgocable.net/~jdionne/css/
    
69. http://people.mn.mediaone.net/bojay/s lashdot/
    
70. http://www.capital.net/~mazzic
    
71. http://24.108.23.121/DeCSS/
    
72. http://ananke.hack.pl/
    
73. http://www.geocities.com/donotsueme/
    
74. http://members.tripod.com/donotsueme/
    
75. http://donotsueme.homepage.com
    
76. http://www.homestead.com/donotsueme/ index.html
    
77. http://donotsueme.freeservers.com/
    
78. http://www.angelfire.com/punk/donotsueme/
    
79. http://www.rz.uni-frankfurt.de/~marsie/
    
80. http://209.178.22.9/protest/
    
81. http://www.bard.org.il/~marc/dvd
    
82. http://www.geocities.com/RainFor est/4360/decss.zip
    
83. http://www.altern.com/tfagart/decss.zip
    
84. http://www.itouch.net/~jm/dvd.html
    
85. http://ils.unc.edu/inls183/resources .shtml#DVD
    
86. http://avdira.cc.duth.gr/~kkonstan/css/
    
87. http://www.multimania.com/sxpert/decss/
    
88. http://www.posexperts.com.pl/peopl e/wrobell/css/
    
89. http://www.koek.net/dvd/
    
90. http://www.cyberchrist.org/freecss.html
    
91. http://www.ozemail.com.au/~cybe rchrist/freecss.html
    
92. http://www.planet.net.au/~coram/
    
93. http://www.geek.co.il/css/
    
94. http://www.datacomm.ch/adrien/decss/ index.html
    
95. http://home.rmci.net/bert/fuckthelawyers/
    
96. http://unimatrix.dyndns.org/fucklawyers/
    
97. http://www.isn.net/~dsimeone/DeCSS.zip
98. http://logical-solutions.com.au/DeCSS.zip
    
99. http://www.sarahandcasey.com/decss/
    
100. http://www.fsp.com/
     
101. http://www.warren-wilson.edu/~echerry/dvd
     
102. http://www.mafkees.com/dvd
     
103. http://dB.org/dvd/
     
104. http://dcwi.com/~wench/decss
     
105. http://dvdcss.newmail.ru
     
106. http://www.subcor.com
     
107. http://www.frankw.net/decss
     
108. http://danger-island.com/~dav/any.lawyer.who/quote s.this.url/gives.permission/for .his.residence.to.be.searched/any.bootleg.audio/vi deo/tape.found/nullifies.legal.and.moral .standing/
     
109. http://www.fortunecity.com/vi ctorian/parkwood/95/DVD/
     
110. http://www.asleep.net/dvd
     
111. http://members.xoom.com/NiKeX
     
112. http://www.geocit ies.com/ResearchTriangle/Station/2819/index.html
     
113. http://www.execpc.com/~unicorn/dvdmirr or.htm
     
114. http://members.xoom.com/chapter3/Mamma No.htm
     
115. http://wiw.org/~drz/css/
     
116. http://merlinjim.freeservers.com/dvd/
     
117. http://www.visi.com/~adept/liberty
     
118. http://mikedotd.penguinpowered.com/deccs
     
119. http://www.ct2600.org/2600-DVD.html
     
120. http://magic.hurrah.com/~fireball/dvd/
121. http://www.jonhanson.com/dvd
     
122. ftp://ftp.foon.net/pub/decss
     
123. http://osiris.978.org/~brianr/css/
     
124. http://earnestdesigns.com/dvd
     
125. http://www.satl.com/~satlpop6/
     
126. http://xempt.darpa.org:81/decss/
     
127. ftp://cm-d0415.resnet.ucsc.edu/p ub/css-auth.tar.gz
     
128. http://www.mit.edu/afs/sipb/user /mycroft/css-auth/
     
129. http://www.eyrie.demon.co.uk/derek/dvd/c ss
     
130. http://ananke.hack.pl
     
131. http://budice.ancients.net/www.free -dvd.org.lu/
     
132. http://defiance.darktech.org/decss/
     
133. http://kesagatame.tripod.com
     
134. http://www.angelfire.com/pokemon/decss
135. http://www.gnosis.cx/download/DeCSS.zip
     
136. http://bone.powersurfr.com/DeCSS/
     
137. http://wakeupthe.net/dvd/
     
138. http://everest.yooniks.org/dvd
     
139. http://cubicmetercrystal.com/decss/
     
140. http://analyzethis.acmecity.com/triboro /90/
     
141. http://homepages.together.net/~ib nzahid/DeCSS.zip
     
142. http://www.save2600.8m.com
     
143. http://people.ne.mediaone.net/dantepsn/
     
144. http://members.xoom.com/mxpxguy/dvd/
     
145. http://decss.fall0ut.com
     
146. http://vedaa.tripod.com/decss.html
     
147. http://members.xoom.com/iox
     
148. http://www.hackunlimited.com/dvd/
     
149. http://hem.fyristorg.com/police/css.htm
     
150. http://elknews.netpedia.net/dvd/
     
151. http://www.idrive.com/decss/web
     
152. http://quintessenz.at/q
     
153. http://www.clug.com/~vodak/dvd/
     
154. http://www.nacs.net/~vodak/dvd/
     
155. http://ny2600.iwarp.com
     
156. http://www.wpi.edu/~nassar/dvd/
     
157. http://www.glue.umd.edu/~castongj
     
158. http://www.geocities.com/cold_dvd/
     
159. http://www.projectgamma.com/deccs/
     
160. http://members.xoom.com/mogreen/decss/
161. http://thrash.webjump.com/decss.zip
     
162. http://www.angelfire.com/de2/decss/dec ss.htm
     
163. http://www.krackdown.com/decss
     
164. http://www.ithink.org/dvd/
     
165. http://www.fortunecit y.com/skyscraper/motorola/1415/decss.htm
     
166. http://chaz.fsgs.com/misc/DvD/
     
167. http://www.linuxstart.com/~kv ance/projects/decss.html
     
168. http://www.darkkingz.com/DeCSS.zip
     
169. http://come.to/intelex
     
170. http://ebmedia.net/dvd/
     
171. http://www.geocities.com/decss_forever/
     
172. http://revolution.3-cities.com/~spack/dv d/
     
173. http://www.geocities.com/Sili conValley/Software/8762/
     
174. http://members.xoom.com/s_o_sam/help.html
     
175. http://smokering.org
     
176. http://www.sent.freeserve.co.uk/css -auth.tar.gz
     
177. http://dlsf.org
     
178. http://home.rmci.net/bert/dvd
     
179. http://thrash.webjump.com/decss.zip
     
180. http://linux.uci.agh.edu.pl/~outlaw/ decss.html
     
181. http://debian.mps.krakow.pl/mirror/css/
     
182. http://www.fission.org/~mangino
     
183. http://212.187.12.197/decss/
     
184. http://www.clarkson.edu/~andrixjr /decss/DeCSS.zip
     
185. http://www.geocities.com/Capitol Hill/1583/dvd.html
     
186. http://members.xoom.com/freedecss/
     
187. http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/dvd.htm
     
188. http://www.members.home.net/normanlorrai n/
     
189. http://home.swipnet.se/~w-18931/decss/
190. http://home.soneraplaza.nl/qn/prive/v alhalla/
     
191. http://www.robotslave.net
     
192. http://www.angelfire.com/punk/freedom/
193. http://www.corova.com/dvd/
     
194. http://2600.dk/mirrors/css/
     
195. http://dvdcrack.homepage.com
     
196. http://www.copkiller.org
     
197. http://www.worldcity.nl/~frank/dvd
     
198. http://members.xoom.com/iamkeenan/master/
     
199. http://www.adulation.net/css/
     
200. http://homepage.interacces s.com/~mycroft/decss/DeCSS.zip
     
201. http://underground.pl/dvd/
     
202. http://members.xoom.com/nyc2600
     
203. http://zerosoft.hypermart.net/warez/ DVDcrK.txt
     
204. http://www.deforest.org/CSS
     
205. http://nickd.org/decss
     
206. http://www.xenoclast.demon.co.uk/main.ht ml
     
207. http://www.ctol.net/~ross/css-auth.tar.gz
     
208. http://www.xenoclast.demon.co.uk/main.ht ml
     
209. http://www.ctol.net/~ross/css-auth.tar.gz
     
210. http://www.geocities.com/SiliconV alley/File/3635/
     
211. http://members.xoom.com/a1010_2000/
     
212. http://decss.globalservice.hu/