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Firefox is the most unstable program in common use
"GP's point is that there are real performance gains that they could be making..."
Firefox is the most unstable program in common use. Every recent update has included fixes for instability, and there are many more sources of instability. THAT'S the performance gain needed most.
Somehow Firefox interacts with Windows XP with Service Pack 3 in such a way that it crashes Windows. Anyone fixing the Firefox instabilities will have bragging rights, and maybe job offers, because they will also discover the cause of the instability in Windows.
In contrast, I have never known Firefox instabilities to crash Linux. Linux just throws Firefox out of memory.
The instability in Firefox occurs especially when many windows and tabs are open, and Windows XP is hibernated or put in standby several times. Normally only people who do a lot of research have many windows and tabs open. However, the instabilities are indications of coding errors that need to be corrected. Also, those who do research should be served, also, and not just because they may be vocal and influential.
I haven't tested Firefox with Windows 7 yet, but will do that in the next month.
Another valuable performance fix would be to allow multiple instances of Firefox, so that a crash in one instance does not affect the others. Google's Chrome is designed that way.
Please don't give excuses. Crashes need to be fixed. Much of the reason for the popularity of Firefox is the availability of extensions. Logically, Mozilla cannot simultaneously recommend extensions that crash Firefox and blame the extensions for crashing Firefox.
Firefox crashes.
Crash Statistics.
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Re:Still a Firefox user
Seamonkey integrates the URL bar with the search bar. There's probably a plugin for Firefox that does the same thing.
This is what I do to save real estate. 2 addons and several tweaks of Firefox options:
- Compact Menu 2 addon (default setting of hide the Menu Bar)
- Pimpoflage addon (default setting, which is autohide the Status Bar)
- check View->Toolbars->Customize...->Use Small Icons
- uncheck View->Toolbars->Bookmarks Toolbar
- uncheck Edit->Preferences->Tabs->Always Show the Tab Bar
And I'm currently using Openbox window manager, which has an "undecorate" feature to hide the title bar. If I'm feeling especially hungry for more room, I'll take another stab at finding out how to make the scroll bars narrower. (Haven't yet figured out how to do that in Openbox.) I tried just having the Status Bar off, but it does have useful info. Pimpoflage can also autohide the Navigation Bar. It's not perfect-- can easily enter a loop condition in which mouse pointer hovers over a link which causes the Status Bar to unhide, which shifts the web page so the mouse pointer is no longer hovering over that link, which then causes the Status Bar to hide, shifting the link back under the pointer, etc. I tried an autohide plugin for the Menu Bar, but found the "Menu Button" idea works better for me.
From what I recall of a discussion of Firefox 3.7, much of the UI cleanup they're planning will make these addons unnecessary.
Oh, and of course, Ad Block.
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Re:Still a Firefox user
Seamonkey integrates the URL bar with the search bar. There's probably a plugin for Firefox that does the same thing.
This is what I do to save real estate. 2 addons and several tweaks of Firefox options:
- Compact Menu 2 addon (default setting of hide the Menu Bar)
- Pimpoflage addon (default setting, which is autohide the Status Bar)
- check View->Toolbars->Customize...->Use Small Icons
- uncheck View->Toolbars->Bookmarks Toolbar
- uncheck Edit->Preferences->Tabs->Always Show the Tab Bar
And I'm currently using Openbox window manager, which has an "undecorate" feature to hide the title bar. If I'm feeling especially hungry for more room, I'll take another stab at finding out how to make the scroll bars narrower. (Haven't yet figured out how to do that in Openbox.) I tried just having the Status Bar off, but it does have useful info. Pimpoflage can also autohide the Navigation Bar. It's not perfect-- can easily enter a loop condition in which mouse pointer hovers over a link which causes the Status Bar to unhide, which shifts the web page so the mouse pointer is no longer hovering over that link, which then causes the Status Bar to hide, shifting the link back under the pointer, etc. I tried an autohide plugin for the Menu Bar, but found the "Menu Button" idea works better for me.
From what I recall of a discussion of Firefox 3.7, much of the UI cleanup they're planning will make these addons unnecessary.
Oh, and of course, Ad Block.
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Re:Gmail and Twitter their own permanent tabs
Essentially they are talking about uplifting FaviconizeTab into a core Feature.
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Re:"the faster it will seem" ?
In its last several releases, everyone's favorite Open Source browser has become an unstable mess of add-ons, plugins, and other hacks that chew up memory like a fat kid with a chocolate-dipped corn dog. In fact, just last week, SecurityFocus released news of a devastating exploit in Firefox 3.5.5 that they blame squarely on its unstable architecture.
From its infancy Firefox has been the product of collaborative effort, unifying code from hackers worldwide. But thanks to the Hayes Law, we see that there is a "sweet spot" to such a development style, and that Firefox has long since left it behind. In the chart below, we can see that the number of Firefox developers has increased exponentially since 2002, and that number will more than double in 2010.
But it's time to be honest: either Firefox, as a modern web browser, will have killer performance on 64-bit, multicore Intel chips or it's not worth downloading and installing. And since, as we have seen in the recent past, that Firefox is actually getting slower with each release, Firefox is certainly a waste of time for anyone who takes their web browsing seriously.
The Hayes Law states that, given a specific type of software project, there is a certain complexity associated with it, and with that complexity an optimal number of developers. It's actually a little more complicated than that, taking into account development model, coding platform, programming language, and code repository platform, but in the end it's easy to plug in the numbers and see where a project's headed.
Against the Hayes Law, Firefox appears to have jumped the shark sometime after the Firefox 2.0 in 2006. The next major release, Firefox 3.0 in 2008, introduced many issues users today complain about: bloat, sloth, instability, and insatiable hunger for memory. Firefox user complaints increased in tandem, all syncing up with the jump in developers. Ergo Firefox's problem: too many cocks in the kitchen.
To further underline this growing problem, Firefox completely falls down in Acid3: Firefox 3.5 scores 93/100, and Firefox 3.6 scores only 87/100. Needless to say, Firefox 4.0 mockups score 0/100. Sadly, this is a continuation of a trend: Firefox took the longest of all browsers to beat Acid2. And don't even think about Acid4. Firefox is collapsing under its own weight.
The core of this problem looms: the number of developers, as seen in the chart above, will only continue to skyrocket for Firefox 3.6 and beyond. By the time Firefox 4.0 is released, sometime in December 2010, the number of developers will be nearly 4,000, almost a full magnitude greater than the optimal 445 or so in 2006. Clearly, Firefox is about to capsize.
So what is to be done? Users can petition the Mozilla Corporation and the Mozilla Foundation to rethink their development model, focus on optimization instead of new features, and perhaps backpedaling on some of the less sensible projects like Mozilla Mobile and the non-standard XUL interface. Concerned individuals should log into Mozill
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Re:"the faster it will seem" ?
In its last several releases, everyone's favorite Open Source browser has become an unstable mess of add-ons, plugins, and other hacks that chew up memory like a fat kid with a chocolate-dipped corn dog. In fact, just last week, SecurityFocus released news of a devastating exploit in Firefox 3.5.5 that they blame squarely on its unstable architecture.
From its infancy Firefox has been the product of collaborative effort, unifying code from hackers worldwide. But thanks to the Hayes Law, we see that there is a "sweet spot" to such a development style, and that Firefox has long since left it behind. In the chart below, we can see that the number of Firefox developers has increased exponentially since 2002, and that number will more than double in 2010.
But it's time to be honest: either Firefox, as a modern web browser, will have killer performance on 64-bit, multicore Intel chips or it's not worth downloading and installing. And since, as we have seen in the recent past, that Firefox is actually getting slower with each release, Firefox is certainly a waste of time for anyone who takes their web browsing seriously.
The Hayes Law states that, given a specific type of software project, there is a certain complexity associated with it, and with that complexity an optimal number of developers. It's actually a little more complicated than that, taking into account development model, coding platform, programming language, and code repository platform, but in the end it's easy to plug in the numbers and see where a project's headed.
Against the Hayes Law, Firefox appears to have jumped the shark sometime after the Firefox 2.0 in 2006. The next major release, Firefox 3.0 in 2008, introduced many issues users today complain about: bloat, sloth, instability, and insatiable hunger for memory. Firefox user complaints increased in tandem, all syncing up with the jump in developers. Ergo Firefox's problem: too many cocks in the kitchen.
To further underline this growing problem, Firefox completely falls down in Acid3: Firefox 3.5 scores 93/100, and Firefox 3.6 scores only 87/100. Needless to say, Firefox 4.0 mockups score 0/100. Sadly, this is a continuation of a trend: Firefox took the longest of all browsers to beat Acid2. And don't even think about Acid4. Firefox is collapsing under its own weight.
The core of this problem looms: the number of developers, as seen in the chart above, will only continue to skyrocket for Firefox 3.6 and beyond. By the time Firefox 4.0 is released, sometime in December 2010, the number of developers will be nearly 4,000, almost a full magnitude greater than the optimal 445 or so in 2006. Clearly, Firefox is about to capsize.
So what is to be done? Users can petition the Mozilla Corporation and the Mozilla Foundation to rethink their development model, focus on optimization instead of new features, and perhaps backpedaling on some of the less sensible projects like Mozilla Mobile and the non-standard XUL interface. Concerned individuals should log into Mozill
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Re:"the faster it will seem" ?
In its last several releases, everyone's favorite Open Source browser has become an unstable mess of add-ons, plugins, and other hacks that chew up memory like a fat kid with a chocolate-dipped corn dog. In fact, just last week, SecurityFocus released news of a devastating exploit in Firefox 3.5.5 that they blame squarely on its unstable architecture.
From its infancy Firefox has been the product of collaborative effort, unifying code from hackers worldwide. But thanks to the Hayes Law, we see that there is a "sweet spot" to such a development style, and that Firefox has long since left it behind. In the chart below, we can see that the number of Firefox developers has increased exponentially since 2002, and that number will more than double in 2010.
But it's time to be honest: either Firefox, as a modern web browser, will have killer performance on 64-bit, multicore Intel chips or it's not worth downloading and installing. And since, as we have seen in the recent past, that Firefox is actually getting slower with each release, Firefox is certainly a waste of time for anyone who takes their web browsing seriously.
The Hayes Law states that, given a specific type of software project, there is a certain complexity associated with it, and with that complexity an optimal number of developers. It's actually a little more complicated than that, taking into account development model, coding platform, programming language, and code repository platform, but in the end it's easy to plug in the numbers and see where a project's headed.
Against the Hayes Law, Firefox appears to have jumped the shark sometime after the Firefox 2.0 in 2006. The next major release, Firefox 3.0 in 2008, introduced many issues users today complain about: bloat, sloth, instability, and insatiable hunger for memory. Firefox user complaints increased in tandem, all syncing up with the jump in developers. Ergo Firefox's problem: too many cocks in the kitchen.
To further underline this growing problem, Firefox completely falls down in Acid3: Firefox 3.5 scores 93/100, and Firefox 3.6 scores only 87/100. Needless to say, Firefox 4.0 mockups score 0/100. Sadly, this is a continuation of a trend: Firefox took the longest of all browsers to beat Acid2. And don't even think about Acid4. Firefox is collapsing under its own weight.
The core of this problem looms: the number of developers, as seen in the chart above, will only continue to skyrocket for Firefox 3.6 and beyond. By the time Firefox 4.0 is released, sometime in December 2010, the number of developers will be nearly 4,000, almost a full magnitude greater than the optimal 445 or so in 2006. Clearly, Firefox is about to capsize.
So what is to be done? Users can petition the Mozilla Corporation and the Mozilla Foundation to rethink their development model, focus on optimization instead of new features, and perhaps backpedaling on some of the less sensible projects like Mozilla Mobile and the non-standard XUL interface. Concerned individuals should log into Mozill
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Re:Sounds like speed holes
The Mozilla development team released Firefox 3.6, codenamed Namoroka, on 21 January 2010 after some anticipation; Firefox 3.5 was a step forward in features but two steps backward in performance. As a minor update, Namoroka was a chance to optimize the last release.
So, now that it's out, did it alleviate some of these problems? Well, let's find out by looking at what 3.6 offers over 3.5.
First and most visible is support for skins, called personas. Firefox developers have been tinkering with the XUL format and they cite its power. They also claim that it has been under-utilized, so personas were a "natural addition."
TraceMonkey received a performance boost, caching more bytecode in RAM using the new "Stored History Integration Table" system which dynamically stores each JavaScript routine as an object in memory in order to more quickly access it during execution.
Firefox's plugin system also received an overhaul, and now lets the user know when a plugin is incompatible. Mozilla also included support for full-screen Theora and WOFF, the Web Open Font File format, as well as additional but otherwise unspecified performance and security enhancements.
Overall, it's a nice list of bullet points for the bump from 3.5 to Nakamora, but the fact that performance wasn't a priority already points away from optimization and to new features. And the features are actually not new at all, but fixes for issues that should have been taken care of during the initial design stages or other numerous upgrades.
For instance, Firefox has been skinnable for years using XUL, and personas are just a hack to this system that allows the user to use bitmapped images as toolbar backgrounds. You are not mistaken if you just had a flashback to Internet Explorer 3.
These personas also slow the browser down, negating any advantage from the TraceMonkey JavaScript engine. One writer on the web even suggests that the TraceMonkey enhancements were done in anticipation of new-feature bloat. Talk about the tail wagging the fox!
Plugin incompatibility usually occurs when a plugin was written for an older version of the plugin system, which demands a question about the wisdom of upgrading the plugin system for Nakamoru the first place. But that's just how Firefox developers roll.
Now, if you're running an incompatible plugin, Firefox alerts you at startup and launches the plugin manager, a JavaScript-based app that contacts Firefox's plugin server and swaps all kinds of metadata in a frantic attempt to update your third party add-ons.
Several of the changes are plainly just developmental masturbation. For example, Theora is the least-used web video codec, with the penetration that the newer QuickTime X has. And WOFF is an open standard that Mozilla wants to support for political reasons that isn't actually in use anywhere.
So what exactly are Mozilla development managers doing?
If a private company with an opaque development model like Apple can apply the breaks and optimize an entire operating system, à la Leopard to Snow Leopard, why can't a public, transparent development team be bothered to do the same for something much less complex like a web
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Re:Central Management Please!
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Re:"the faster it will seem" ?
You have to push a button to see your tabs instead of it putting the tab bar on the side.
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Video presentation.
For those who don't want to rtfa, there's a video presentation on the director of firefox, Mike Beltzners blog: http://videos.mozilla.org/serv/air_mozilla/firefox4.ogg
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Re:That's certainly...
Interesting. I do the opposite - using thunderbird's display mail user agent add-on, I conveniently check the device/agent used for sending the mail by my correspondent. Then I set my expectations according to that.
If everyone does like you, my strategy wouldn't be required. If everyone does like me, your strategy wouldn't be required.
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Re:Why not post example
The new TLDs probably are not yet on the Mozilla's whitelist. Check here how to add the new TLD to the whitelist.
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Re:URLs will look exactly like this
Mozilla for security reasons has a blacklist of characters and whitelist of TLD for the IDN support. The new TLDs are not on the whitelist thus Fx shows the raw punycode instead.
Check here how to allow the TLD ".xn--wgbh1c" to use IDN.
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Re:But will IE accept the new font files?
From the article:
Frank Martinez, a New York lawyer who specializes in intellectual property law and who represents several typeface designers and foundries, said the difference between having a font temporarily downloaded to your computer and having it installed permanently on your computer is like hearing a song on the radio versus getting a band's CD. "Either way you receive the music," he said. "But if you hear it on the radio, you don't own it, and you can't play it again."
If it is WOFF, what prevents one from decompressing and installing it locally?
From http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/10/woff/:
Fonts in WOFF format are compressed but are not encrypted, the format should not be viewed as a "secure" format by those looking for a mechanism to strictly regulate and control font use.
The compression format is lossless, the uncompressed font data will match that of the original OpenType or TrueType font, so the way the font renders will be the same as the original.
As an aside, I really like more choices of fonts, but the potential licensing cost just drives me away.
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Re:No it's notReally?
It's not about things like this?
Read the comments. See how many people are ditching Firefox because of flash? I know people in my office that switched TO IE. Who the hell switches to IE unless they're really upset?Read a little lower and you find the real culprit: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=558055
Which is solved by removing flash. I did. No more FF crashes.
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Re:Well...
(In any event, threaded conversations a la GMail are clearly the way forward)
If you use Thunderbird, you must see this:
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Re:OMG! Including direct integration of Adobe Flas
I don't understand exactly how all this hangs together, but since Adobe open-sourced the Tamarin VM, would it be possible for Flash to instead use Chromes V8 engine? And if so, then Flash would benefit from performance improvements courtesy of Google.
And... (and this is the biggie)... since Apple have already allowed Opera with it's own JavaScript engine**, and Apple already include their own JS engine, what excuse could they give not to allow Chrome+Flash on iPhone|iPad|iPod?
It's clear [to me anyway] that Google are including Flash not to piss Apple off, but to (1). ensure stability of Chrome Browser and by extension, Android and ChromeOS, and (2). to make it easier for OEMs to include Android/ChromeOS as well as Flash and have everything manage updates automatically.
Since Google is doing all the leg-work to make Flash fast and stable, this would seem to address all of Steve Jobs'es issues with Flash.
I predict fun interesting times ahead! :D
**except... as I'm writing this, I've just remembered that Opera on iPhone is Opera Mini, and I'm not 100% sure that does include any JS engine? -
To be clear
90% of flash use on the web is actually misuse. This is why a blocking flash by default is good practice: most of the time, you're not missing a damn thing. For the rare occasion when somebody actually has a good reason to use flash -- or (more commonly) when the web designer is inexperienced enough to "require" flash just to view the site -- simply turn it on and reload the page. And then turn it back off.
For this purpose, I find the QuickJava extension more useful than flashblock. Instead of working on a per-applet basis, it works per-webpage. It's the same thing as simply disabling the flash plugin in the firefox preferences, and it works the same even if javascript is disabled.
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Re:Can it run adblock, flashblock and noscript?
The next version of Firefox with have plugins in a seperate process. The rest of the project is still going to take some more time.
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Re:Everything on one page...
Autopager also works quite well if you have Firefox available
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Re:Mine Nipples Explode With Joy!
By 1999 Mozilla had started their milestone releases, and they had better standards support than IE. They milestones may have been pre-beta but where still stable enough to use as your day to day browser.
http://www-archive.mozilla.org/releases/history.html
So when IE6 was released in 2001 it was already behind in standards support yet they still allowed it to stagnate.
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Download Statusbar
Additionally, I've never been too savy with the seperate window it opens when you want to download something. To me, these are on par with pop up ads.
You need Download Statusbar: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/26
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Avoid slideshow pain: Firefox + autopager is great
It's worth clicking through the obnoxious slide-show format to see them.
It's worth installing autopager instead. If there's no existing preset for your site, (quite rare), you can roll your own, then contribute to the community. Takes a lot of the pain out of those damn 'click to see the next page full of ads' sites.
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Re:Push into Android how exactly?
Sure: http://hacks.mozilla.org/2010/04/theora-on-n900/
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Re:Google is the key here
"Implemented in hardware" is a loose concept. In many cases "implemented in hardware" just means there's a DSP with some firmware that implements H.264 decoding. Such DSPs can be reprogrammed to decode other formats. For example
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Re:Gopher isn't dead.
SeaMonkey also has decent Gopher support. Firefox, with the Overbite extension, becomes a really great Gopher client. For more information I'd suggest the relevant category of the Open Directory Project.
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Fail in summary
The mobile version of Firefox, codenamed Fennec, has until now been restricted to Maemo Linux handsets
O RLY? Perhaps submitters should check to see if they know WTF they are talking about before they add flowery language to their story submissions. Wouldn't hurt if editors checked their veracity (AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA)
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Take it from a mozilla volunteer.
Fennec has been around for a while actually. Most of the speculating can be placed at rest from this site: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Projects/Mobile Unfortunately, if anyone is wondering, no there will not be a version for Windows Mobile phones, as there is no NDK (Native Developers Kit). I would prefer to use firefox on my phone, but i'm stuck with opera mobile 9.
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Re:TranslationDitto on not needing OpenSSL installed, but be careful with echo. On the systems I've used, echo by default includes a newline character, which also gets hashed, so you need to not include that if you want a 100% reproduce-able algorithm:
echo -n salt.site.password |md5sum
echo -n salt.site.password |sha1sumAlso, I find the Hashr extension for firefox handy.
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Trackmenot
Reconstruct that
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Plug-ins
ClamWin *itself* doesn't have an on-access scanner but...
- External apps
:- External packages clamsentinel can automatically scan files upon modifications
- And software packages like WinPooch can, among other stuff, hook the "execute" and "open" OS' functions to scan files before accessing them.
- Plug-ins
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On the other hand, there are numerous plugins to hook clamwin to, so you can check for virus at their point of arrival.
(On the client's side there are Firefox and Outlook plugins, on the server's side there are Samba plugins)
but personally I supplement always ClamWin with a 2nd antivirus featuring a on-demand scanner.
ClamWin&Plugins +Avira or +AVG.
- External apps
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just block "document.write" ...
If we are not allowed to talk about AdBlock plus, then lets talk about "document.write".
Most (probably all) ads are created with "document.write", so simply block "document.write". And enable "document.write" for the few sites that you really enjoy.
Add the following to "prefs.js" (seamonkey, firefox,
...):user_pref("capability.policy.default.HTMLDocument.write", "noAccess");
user_pref("capability.policy.trusted.HTMLDocument.write", "sameOrigin");
user_pref("capability.policy.trusted.sites", "http://localhost http://forums.mozillazine.org/ ... ");
user_pref("capability.policy.policynames", "trusted");See http://www.mozilla.org/projects/security/components/ConfigPolicy.html for more details
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Google Sharing
With the Google Sharing anonymizing FireFox plugin ( https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/60333 ) enabled, I receive a 404 message. When I disable the plugin, I am able to pull up the page. Hrm. Interesting.
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Re:They pay the bills, so STFU
After many years[1] there finally seems to be some signs of progress being made on features that will help websites make things safer for their users:
http://www.infoq.com/news/2010/01/HTML-5-Sandbox-IFrame
http://people.mozilla.org/~bsterne/content-security-policy/[1] I actually tried to get people to do something about a similar problem 8 years ago:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html/2002May/0021.html
http://www.mail-archive.com/mozilla-security@mozilla.org/msg01448.htmlFor years the browser and W3 have been focusing on adding "gas pedals", and their idea of brakes was "just make sure none of the hundreds of gas pedals we created are pressed", which is a bit trickier in the real world.
If they had added working "brake pedals" back then, stuff like the MySpace worm might not have happened. And ads and other 3rd party content might be more easily secured.
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Re:Way to go - 'criminialise' your users!
You should absolutely not use AdBlock, the wonderful advertisement blocking addon for FireFox and Google Chrome, to block irritating and obnoxious advertisements when browsing the "The Escapist" website!
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AutoPager mentions may be banned next
AutoPager also prevents ads from displaying, so it may become the next unmentionable. Eventually any system which messes with the HTML or scripts.
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Re:None, I have given up bash scripting
I'm stunned that people are defending what is basically incompetence. In Larry Wall's terminology, we're talking about False Laziness--it saves you effort up front, but in the end may cost you more than you've saved.
Mozilla's build script has this flaw, incidentally:
Mozilla may not build if some tools are installed at a path that contains spaces or other breaking characters such as pluses, quotation marks, or meta characters. The Visual C++ tools may be installed in a directory which contains spaces (the default install location is preferred).
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Re:Sometimes
That's exactly right. The primary email contact is taken from WHOIS, but there are a few addresses that seem to be alternatives for most CAs (e.g. hostmaster). But for some CAs, the list of alternate addresses is rather long, ie:
administrator@seifried.org
admin@seifried.org
info@seifried.org
hostmaster@seifried.org
root@seifried.org
ssladmin@seifried.org
sysadmin@seifried.org
webmaster@seifried.org
info@seifried.org
postmaster@seifried.orgThis is the revised list which is in use by RapidSSL (a Verisign subsidiary) now, before the discussion was started. The original list was longer and contained generic addresses like is, it and mis (mis?!). It's not surprising that some mail providers didn't prevent people from registering a few of those.
The whole thing is documented on https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=556468 and in the Kurt Seifried's original article on the issue http://www.linux-magazine.com/Issues/2010/114/BREACH-OF-TRUST (which are really the two links the Slashdot summary should have had).
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Re:Diff story?
In Firefox, goto tools, options, privacy and select "Automatically start Firefox in a private browsing session", this way your online coupon will not contain any extraneous information.
Just don't use flash or any other plugin with its own storage that firefox doesn't know about.
I use the BetterPrivacy Add-on to automatically wipe all flash cookies every time I start or stop firefox.
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sopssa, learn to read and quit misinforming others
sopssa, before you tell others to read? Learn to yourself - you and clone misinformed others with STALE INFORMATION here on FireFox:
"But the 3.6.2 update was ALREADY released WELL BEFORE the story was posted (Tuesday March 23, @02:51AM Eastern): https://developer.mozilla.org/devnews/index.php/2010/03/22/firefox-3-6-2-update-now-available-as-free-download/ Firefox 3.6.2 update now available as free download Version 3.6.2 was released THE DAY BEFORE this story even posted! Once again you are caught in your BOLD-FACED LIES, LOL! - by clone53421 (1310749) on Monday April 05, @01:36PM (#31736454) Journal
Funny how YOU backed up clone53421 above, here on your part in the URL below, regarding firefox though (lol, when clone's information was STALE & OUT OF DATE already too no less):
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1591778&cid=31755996
AND YET? LMAO:
FireFox turned up YET ANOTHER SECURITY BUG & right when you shot your big mouth off in that url above on 04/05/2010 above, which had stale out of date information regarding FireFox security issues, & proof of that's taken from here:
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Mozilla Firefox DOM Node Moving Use-After-Free Vulnerability:
http://secunia.com/advisories/39175/
Release Date 2010-04-02
Last Update 2010-04-06----
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1591778&cid=31755996
That's where you quote above is from, and, Where Germany advised its peoples to stay away from FireFox 3.6, as they had for IE before that (but, never for Opera).
(Thus, yet another security bug surfaced in FireFox 3.6.2 in that time frame, yet again, 2x that week it appears (LOL!)).
sopssa - How stupid do you feel after your backing up that moron clone, sopssa, when he was quoted in error in that rant of his above that opens this posting of mine in reply, and the URL above that shows you backing his stale & out of date information?
Why?? Because YET ANOTHER SECURITY VULNERABILITY SURFACED THAT DAY OR THE NEXT DAY in FIREFOX, YET AGAIN, lmao...
"too, Too, TOO EASY!"
Obviously sopssa, you lost yet again, and backed the wrong poster in clone53421, in such a stupid mistake on his part above.
Obviously, You're too stupid to exist sopssa and it's no small wonder that all you do is post on slashdot all day, as you don't have enough skills or degrees necessary to your name in computing to actually have or hold a job in the sciences of computing.
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sopssa, learn to read and quit misinforming others
sopssa, before you tell others to read? Learn to yourself - you and clone misinformed others with STALE INFORMATION here on FireFox:
"But the 3.6.2 update was ALREADY released WELL BEFORE the story was posted (Tuesday March 23, @02:51AM Eastern): https://developer.mozilla.org/devnews/index.php/2010/03/22/firefox-3-6-2-update-now-available-as-free-download/ Firefox 3.6.2 update now available as free download Version 3.6.2 was released THE DAY BEFORE this story even posted! Once again you are caught in your BOLD-FACED LIES, LOL! - by clone53421 (1310749) on Monday April 05, @01:36PM (#31736454) Journal
Funny how YOU backed up clone53421 above, here on your part in the URL below, regarding firefox though (lol, when clone's information was STALE & OUT OF DATE already too no less):
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1591778&cid=31755996
AND YET? LMAO:
FireFox turned up YET ANOTHER SECURITY BUG & right when you shot your big mouth off in that url above on 04/05/2010 above, which had stale out of date information regarding FireFox security issues, & proof of that's taken from here:
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Mozilla Firefox DOM Node Moving Use-After-Free Vulnerability:
http://secunia.com/advisories/39175/
Release Date 2010-04-02
Last Update 2010-04-06----
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1591778&cid=31755996
That's where you quote above is from, and, Where Germany advised its peoples to stay away from FireFox 3.6, as they had for IE before that (but, never for Opera).
(Thus, yet another security bug surfaced in FireFox 3.6.2 in that time frame, yet again, 2x that week it appears (LOL!)).
sopssa - How stupid do you feel after your backing up that moron clone, sopssa, when he was quoted in error in that rant of his above that opens this posting of mine in reply, and the URL above that shows you backing his stale & out of date information?
Why?? Because YET ANOTHER SECURITY VULNERABILITY SURFACED THAT DAY OR THE NEXT DAY in FIREFOX, YET AGAIN, lmao...
"too, Too, TOO EASY!"
Obviously sopssa, you lost yet again, and backed the wrong poster in clone53421, in such a stupid mistake on his part above.
Obviously, You're too stupid to exist sopssa and it's no small wonder that all you do is post on slashdot all day, as you don't have enough skills or degrees necessary to your name in computing to actually have or hold a job in the sciences of computing.
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SOPSSA, you intentionally misinform others
"But the 3.6.2 update was ALREADY released WELL BEFORE the story was posted (Tuesday March 23, @02:51AM Eastern): https://developer.mozilla.org/devnews/index.php/2010/03/22/firefox-3-6-2-update-now-available-as-free-download/ Firefox 3.6.2 update now available as free download Version 3.6.2 was released THE DAY BEFORE this story even posted! Once again you are caught in your BOLD-FACED LIES, LOL! - by clone53421 (1310749) on Monday April 05, @01:36PM (#31736454) Journal
Funny how YOU backed up clone53421 above, here on your part in the URL below, regarding firefox though (lol, when clone's information was STALE & OUT OF DATE already too no less):
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1591778&cid=31755996
AND YET? LMAO:
FireFox turned up YET ANOTHER SECURITY BUG & right when you shot your big mouth off in that url above on 04/05/2010 above, which had stale out of date information regarding FireFox security issues, & proof of that's taken from here:
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Mozilla Firefox DOM Node Moving Use-After-Free Vulnerability:
http://secunia.com/advisories/39175/
Release Date 2010-04-02
Last Update 2010-04-06----
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1591778&cid=31755996
That's where you quote above is from, and, Where Germany advised its peoples to stay away from FireFox 3.6, as they had for IE before that (but, never for Opera).
(Thus, yet another security bug surfaced in FireFox 3.6.2 in that time frame, yet again, 2x that week it appears (LOL!)).
sopssa - How stupid do you feel after your backing up that moron clone, sopssa, when he was quoted in error in that rant of his above that opens this posting of mine in reply, and the URL above that shows you backing his stale & out of date information?
Why?? Because YET ANOTHER SECURITY VULNERABILITY SURFACED THAT DAY OR THE NEXT DAY in FIREFOX, YET AGAIN, lmao...
"too, Too, TOO EASY!"
Obviously sopssa, you lost yet again, and backed the wrong poster in clone53421, in such a stupid mistake on hiis part above.
Obviously, You're too stupid to exist sopssa and it's no small wonder that all you do is post on slashdot all day, as you don't have enough skills or degrees necessary to your name in computing to actually have or hold a job in the sciences of computing.
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sopssa "thinking* isn't a strong suit of yours
"But the 3.6.2 update was ALREADY released WELL BEFORE the story was posted (Tuesday March 23, @02:51AM Eastern): https://developer.mozilla.org/devnews/index.php/2010/03/22/firefox-3-6-2-update-now-available-as-free-download/ Firefox 3.6.2 update now available as free download Version 3.6.2 was released THE DAY BEFORE this story even posted! Once again you are caught in your BOLD-FACED LIES, LOL! - by clone53421 (1310749) on Monday April 05, @01:36PM (#31736454) Journal
Funny how YOU backed up clone53421 above, here on your part, regarding firefox though (lol, when clone's information was STALE & OUT OF DATE already too no less):
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1591778&cid=31755996
AND YET? LMAO:
FireFox turned up YET ANOTHER SECURITY BUG & right when you shot your big mouth off in that url above on 04/05/2010 above, which had stale out of date information regarding FireFox security issues, & proof of that's taken from here:
----
Mozilla Firefox DOM Node Moving Use-After-Free Vulnerability:
http://secunia.com/advisories/39175/
Release Date 2010-04-02
Last Update 2010-04-06----
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1591778&cid=31755996
That's where you quote above is from, and, Where Germany advised its peoples to stay away from FireFox 3.6, as they had for IE before that (but, never for Opera).
(Thus, yet another security bug surfaced in FireFox 3.6.2 in that time frame, yet again, 2x that week it appears (LOL!)).
sopssa - How stupid do you feel after your backing up that moron clone, sopssa, when he was quoted in error in that rant of his above that opens this posting of mine in reply, and the URL above that shows you backing his stale & out of date information?
Why?? Because YET ANOTHER SECURITY VULNERABILITY SURFACED THAT DAY OR THE NEXT DAY in FIREFOX, YET AGAIN, lmao...
"too, Too, TOO EASY!"
Obviously sopssa, you lost yet again, and backed the wrong poster in clone53421, in such a stupid mistake on his part above.
Obviously, You're too stupid to exist sopssa and it's no small wonder that all you do is post on slashdot all day, as you don't have enough skills or degrees necessary to your name in computing to actually have or hold a job in the sciences of computing.
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sopssa funny how you backed clone on STALE FF info
"But the 3.6.2 update was ALREADY released WELL BEFORE the story was posted (Tuesday March 23, @02:51AM Eastern): https://developer.mozilla.org/devnews/index.php/2010/03/22/firefox-3-6-2-update-now-available-as-free-download/ Firefox 3.6.2 update now available as free download Version 3.6.2 was released THE DAY BEFORE this story even posted! Once again you are caught in your BOLD-FACED LIES, LOL! - by clone53421 (1310749) on Monday April 05, @01:36PM (#31736454) Journal
Funny how YOU backed up clone53421 above, here on your part, regarding firefox though (lol, when clone's information was STALE & OUT OF DATE alraady too no less):
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1591778&cid=31755996
AND YET? LMAO:
FireFox turned up YET ANOTHER SECURITY BUG & right when you shot your big mouth off in that url above on 04/05/2010 above, which had stale out of date information regarding FireFox security issues, & proof of that's taken from here:
----
Mozilla Firefox DOM Node Moving Use-After-Free Vulnerability:
http://secunia.com/advisories/39175/
Release Date 2010-04-02
Last Update 2010-04-06----
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1591778&cid=31755996
That's where you quote above is from, and, Where Germany advised its peoples to stay away from FireFox 3.6, as they had for IE before that (but, never for Opera).
(Thus, yet another security bug surfaced in FireFox 3.6.2 in that time frame, yet again, 2x that week it appears (LOL!)).
sopssa - How stupid do you feel after your backing up that moron clone, sopssa, when he was quoted in error in that rant of his above that opens this posting of mine in reply, and the URL above that shows you backing his stale & out of date information?
Why?? Because YET ANOTHER SECURITY VULNERABILITY SURFACED THAT DAY OR THE NEXT DAY in FIREFOX, YET AGAIN, lmao...
"too, Too, TOO EASY!"
Obviously sopssa, you lost yet again, and backed the wrong poster in clone53421, in such a stupid mistake on hiis part above.
Obviously, You're too stupid to exist sopssa and it's no small wonder that all you do is post on slashdot all day, as you don't have enough skills or degrees necessary to your name in computing to actually have or hold a job in the sciences of computing.
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sopssa, maybe because FIREFOX has constant bugs?
sopssa you back the wrong source, see inside
"But the 3.6.2 update was ALREADY released WELL BEFORE the story was posted (Tuesday March 23, @02:51AM Eastern): https://developer.mozilla.org/devnews/index.php/2010/03/22/firefox-3-6-2-update-now-available-as-free-download/ Firefox 3.6.2 update now available as free download Version 3.6.2 was released THE DAY BEFORE this story even posted! Once again you are caught in your BOLD-FACED LIES, LOL! - by clone53421 (1310749) on Monday April 05, @01:36PM (#31736454) Journal
Funny how YOU backed up clone53421 above, here on your part, regarding firefox though (lol, when clone's information was STALE & OUT OF DATE alraady too no less):
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1591778&cid=31755996
AND YET? LMAO:
FireFox turned up YET ANOTHER SECURITY BUG & right when you shot your big libellous mouth off in that quote above on 04/05/2010 above, taken from here:
----
Mozilla Firefox DOM Node Moving Use-After-Free Vulnerability:
http://secunia.com/advisories/39175/
Release Date 2010-04-02
Last Update 2010-04-06----
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1591778&cid=31755996
That's where you quote above is from, and, Where Germany advised its peoples to stay away from FireFox 3.6, as they had for IE before that (but, never for Opera).
(Thus, yet another security bug surfaced in FireFox 3.6.2 in that time frame, yet again, 2x that week it appears (LOL!)).
sopssa - How stupid do you feel after your backing up that moron clone, sopssa, when he was quoted in error in that rant of his above that opens this posting of mine in reply, and the URL above that shows you backing his stale & out of date information?
Why?? Because YET ANOTHER SECURITY VULNERABILITY SURFACED THAT DAY OR THE NEXT DAY in FIREFOX, YET AGAIN, lmao...
"too, Too, TOO EASY!"
Obviously sopssa, you lost yet again, and backed the wrong poster in clone53421, in such a stupid mistake on hiis part above.
Obviously, You're too stupid to exist sopssa and it's no small wonder that all you do is post on slashdot all day, as you don't have enough skills or degrees necessary to your name in computing to actually have or hold a job in the sciences of computing.
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sopssa you back the wrong source, see inside
sopssa you back the wrong sources as usual, like below:
"But the 3.6.2 update was ALREADY released WELL BEFORE the story was posted (Tuesday March 23, @02:51AM Eastern): https://developer.mozilla.org/devnews/index.php/2010/03/22/firefox-3-6-2-update-now-available-as-free-download/ Firefox 3.6.2 update now available as free download Version 3.6.2 was released THE DAY BEFORE this story even posted! Once again you are caught in your BOLD-FACED LIES, LOL! - by clone53421 (1310749) on Monday April 05, @01:36PM (#31736454) Journal
Funny how YOU backed up clone53421 above, here on your part:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1591778&cid=31755996
AND YET? LMAO:
FireFox turned up YET ANOTHER SECURITY BUG & right when you shot your big libellous mouth off in that quote above on 04/05/2010 above, taken from here:
----
Mozilla Firefox DOM Node Moving Use-After-Free Vulnerability:
http://secunia.com/advisories/39175/
Release Date 2010-04-02
Last Update 2010-04-06----
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1591778&cid=31755996
That's where you quote above is from, and, Where Germany advised its peoples to stay away from FireFox 3.6, as they had for IE before that (but, never for Opera).
(Thus, yet another security bug surfaced in FireFox 3.6.2 in that time frame, yet again, 2x that week it appears (LOL!)).
sopssa - How stupid do you feel after your backing up that moron clone, sopssa, when he was quoted in error in that rant of his above that opens this posting of mine in reply, and the URL above that shows you backing his stale & out of date information?
Why?? Because YET ANOTHER SECURITY VULNERABILITY SURFACED THAT DAY OR THE NEXT DAY in FIREFOX, YET AGAIN, lmao...
"too, Too, TOO EASY!"
Obviously sopssa, you lost yet again, and backed the wrong poster in clone53421, in such a stupid mistake on hiis part above.
Obviously, You're too stupid to exist sopssa and it's no small wonder that all you do is post on slashdot all day, as you don't have enough skills or degrees necessary to your name in computing to actually have or hold a job in the sciences of computing.
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See a "big blank spot" in CLONE the CLOWN's brain
"But the 3.6.2 update was ALREADY released WELL BEFORE the story was posted (Tuesday March 23, @02:51AM Eastern): https://developer.mozilla.org/devnews/index.php/2010/03/22/firefox-3-6-2-update-now-available-as-free-download/ Firefox 3.6.2 update now available as free download Version 3.6.2 was released THE DAY BEFORE this story even posted! Once again you are caught in your BOLD-FACED LIES, LOL! - by clone53421 (1310749) on Monday April 05, @01:36PM (#31736454) Journal
FireFox turned up YET ANOTHER SECURITY BUG & right when you shot your big libellous mouth off in that quote above on 04/05/2010 above, taken from here:
----
Mozilla Firefox DOM Node Moving Use-After-Free Vulnerability:
http://secunia.com/advisories/39175/
Release Date 2010-04-02
Last Update 2010-04-06----
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1591778&cid=31755996
That's where you quote above is from, and, Where Germany advised its peoples to stay away from FireFox 3.6, as they had for IE before that (but, never for Opera).
(Thus, yet another security bug surfaced in FireFox 3.6.2 in that time frame, yet again, 2x that week it appears (LOL!)).
Clone - How stupid do you feel after that quoted rant of yours above that opens this posting of mine in reply?
Now everyone here will see how stupid you are, repeatedly, in all of your posts... lol!
Clone - tell us, what came out the next day after you posted your crap I quoted above, Clone the CLOWN, you utter dimwit?
FireFox 3.6.3!
Why?? Because YET ANOTHER SECURITY VULNERABILITY SURFACED THAT DAY OR THE NEXT DAY in FIREFOX, YET AGAIN, lmao...
"too, Too, TOO EASY!"
Obviously clone the clown, you lost yet again, and you obviously have done nothing with your wasted life, based on such a stupid mistake on your part above CLOWN. Obviously, You're too stupid to exist CLOWN, and it's no small wonder that all you do is post on slashdot all day, as you don't have enough skills or degrees necessary to your name in computing to actually have or hold a job in the sciences of computing.
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Clone the CLOWN blows it badly, lmao, inside
"But the 3.6.2 update was ALREADY released WELL BEFORE the story was posted (Tuesday March 23, @02:51AM Eastern): https://developer.mozilla.org/devnews/index.php/2010/03/22/firefox-3-6-2-update-now-available-as-free-download/ Firefox 3.6.2 update now available as free download Version 3.6.2 was released THE DAY BEFORE this story even posted! Once again you are caught in your BOLD-FACED LIES, LOL! - by clone53421 (1310749) on Monday April 05, @01:36PM (#31736454) Journal
FireFox turned up YET ANOTHER SECURITY BUG & right when you shot your big libellous mouth off in that quote above on 04/05/2010 above, taken from here:
----
Mozilla Firefox DOM Node Moving Use-After-Free Vulnerability:
http://secunia.com/advisories/39175/
Release Date 2010-04-02
Last Update 2010-04-06----
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1591778&cid=31755996
That's where you quote above is from, and, Where Germany advised its peoples to stay away from FireFox 3.6, as they had for IE before that (but, never for Opera).
(Thus, yet another security bug surfaced in FireFox 3.6.2 in that time frame, yet again, 2x that week it appears (LOL!)).
Clone - How stupid do you feel after that quoted rant of yours above that opens this posting of mine in reply?
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"Your basic premise fails on two major points:" - by clone53421 (1310749) on Friday April 16, @08:24AM (#31870226)
You failed above, posting STALE OUT OF DATE INFORMATION ON A BUGGY SECURITY VULNERABILITY RIDDLED BROWSER, dimwit! Hilarious... out of date and stale old information, that's CLONE THE CLOWN FOR YOU, lol...
(Now everyone here will see how stupid you are, repeatedly, in all of your posts... lol!)
Clone - tell us, what came out the next day after you posted your crap I quoted above, Clone the CLOWN, you utter dimwit?
FireFox 3.6.3!
Why?? Because YET ANOTHER SECURITY VULNERABILITY SURFACED THAT DAY OR THE NEXT DAY in FIREFOX, YET AGAIN, lmao...
"too, Too, TOO EASY!"
Obviously clone the clown, you lost yet again, and you obviously have done nothing with your wasted life, based on such a stupid mistake on your part above CLOWN. Obviously, You're too stupid to exist CLOWN, and it's no small wonder that all you do is post on slashdot all day, as you don't have enough skills or degrees necessary to your name in computing to actually have or hold a job in the sciences of computing.
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Clone the CLOWN makes an error here, inside
"But the 3.6.2 update was ALREADY released WELL BEFORE the story was posted (Tuesday March 23, @02:51AM Eastern): https://developer.mozilla.org/devnews/index.php/2010/03/22/firefox-3-6-2-update-now-available-as-free-download/ Firefox 3.6.2 update now available as free download Version 3.6.2 was released THE DAY BEFORE this story even posted! Once again you are caught in your BOLD-FACED LIES, LOL! - by clone53421 (1310749) on Monday April 05, @01:36PM (#31736454) Journal
FireFox turned up YET ANOTHER SECURITY BUG & right when you shot your big libellous mouth off in that quote above on 04/05/2010 above, taken from here:
----
Mozilla Firefox DOM Node Moving Use-After-Free Vulnerability:
http://secunia.com/advisories/39175/
Release Date 2010-04-02
Last Update 2010-04-06----
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1591778&cid=31755996
That's where you quote above is from, and, Where Germany advised its peoples to stay away from FireFox 3.6, as they had for IE before that (but, never for Opera).
(Thus, yet another security bug surfaced in FireFox 3.6.2 in that time frame, yet again, 2x that week it appears (LOL!)).
Clone - How stupid do you feel after that quoted rant of yours above that opens this posting of mine in reply?
Now everyone here will see how stupid you are, repeatedly, in all of your posts... lol!
"Care to explain to me why my post is troll? Disagree with either of my two points, or show me how they're incorrect? Anyone?" - by clone53421 (1310749) on Friday April 16, @09:23AM (#31870830)
No problem, see the above, lmao... Clone - tell us, what came out the next day after you posted your crap I quoted above, Clone the CLOWN, you utter dimwit? FireFox 3.6.3!
Why?? Because YET ANOTHER SECURITY VULNERABILITY SURFACED THAT DAY OR THE NEXT DAY in FIREFOX, YET AGAIN, lmao...
"too, Too, TOO EASY!"
Obviously clone the clown, you lost yet again, and you obviously have done nothing with your wasted life, based on such a stupid mistake on your part above CLOWN. Obviously, You're too stupid to exist CLOWN, and it's no small wonder that all you do is post on slashdot all day, as you don't have enough skills or degrees necessary to your name in computing to actually have or hold a job in the sciences of computing.