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Re:Key distribution
Alas not. See here for more information. It is listed under "Uncertain" so it may not ever get implemented.
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A datum for the awesomebar debate
While I admit, the option to turn it off should appear somewhere, if only in about:config, the development team isn't ignoring it's users.
Really? So far, it seems like we can paraphrase the response from the developers as, "We'll tell you the same thing we told the other 100,000 people who asked for it: Nobody wants the old behavior back!"
The awesomebar debate has had tons of anecdotes and personal theories, but very little hard data. So here's a real data point:
Since Firefox 3.0 went to general release, the Oldbar extension has been downloaded at least 70,000 times. (It was at roughly 15K when I downloaded it on 3.0 release day.)
70,000 seems non-trivial to me.
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Re:full screen ad link
Thanks for a link to an ad. I'll skip this story and find one posted on a site that doesn't hate users.
OR you could download the Firefox browser and customize it with the AdBlock Plus, NoScript, and Flashblock add-ons. Just say no to ads...
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Re:full screen ad link
Thanks for a link to an ad. I'll skip this story and find one posted on a site that doesn't hate users.
OR you could download the Firefox browser and customize it with the AdBlock Plus, NoScript, and Flashblock add-ons. Just say no to ads...
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Re:full screen ad link
Thanks for a link to an ad. I'll skip this story and find one posted on a site that doesn't hate users.
OR you could download the Firefox browser and customize it with the AdBlock Plus, NoScript, and Flashblock add-ons. Just say no to ads...
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Re:A less "Awesome" URLBar Would be Nice!
Nobody here is talking about web search engines. Where'd you get that idea?
They're discussing the new feature where typing "mozilla" in the URL bar will find a page (in your browsing history) titled "Mozilla Pitches Firefox 3.1 Alpha For July Release" in addition to "http://www.mozilla.org/". It's searching your history and bookmarks, not the web.
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Re:End users don't want constant change
Guess what, asshole? The option was in about config, and they fucking removed it.
See here: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=407836
It's a case of Mozilla, as usual, actively ignoring their users because some fag wanted to strip six lines of javascript to get his name in the credits.
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Re:Acid 3
I'll probably enjoy the user interface changes myself (I haven't go acquainted much with the 'awesomebar', I'm waiting on my extensions), but I'm really more excited about some backend changes. @font-face is my 'pet bug' of the moment, I'd like to see that in Firefox 3.1. I'm also watching progress on SVG animation and SVG in img tag. I'm reasonably hopeful for seeing better and more flexible SVG support in Firefox 3.1, and it's about time.
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Re:Acid 3
I'll probably enjoy the user interface changes myself (I haven't go acquainted much with the 'awesomebar', I'm waiting on my extensions), but I'm really more excited about some backend changes. @font-face is my 'pet bug' of the moment, I'd like to see that in Firefox 3.1. I'm also watching progress on SVG animation and SVG in img tag. I'm reasonably hopeful for seeing better and more flexible SVG support in Firefox 3.1, and it's about time.
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Re:Acid 3
I'll probably enjoy the user interface changes myself (I haven't go acquainted much with the 'awesomebar', I'm waiting on my extensions), but I'm really more excited about some backend changes. @font-face is my 'pet bug' of the moment, I'd like to see that in Firefox 3.1. I'm also watching progress on SVG animation and SVG in img tag. I'm reasonably hopeful for seeing better and more flexible SVG support in Firefox 3.1, and it's about time.
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Re:And after Firefox 3.1
I dunno about paint, but we've got minesweeper.
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GMarks plugin never mentioned?
While I recognize that Google Browser Sync was significantly more comprehensive than just bookmarks, I am surprised that no one bringing up bookmark-syncing replacements has brought up GMarks, a Firefox plugin that syncs with Google Bookmarks.
The link above is its addon page. Its features are listed here, and the project's homepage is here. I've used it for quite some time, and am satisfied with it. It's not amazingly earth-shatteringly innovative, but it gets the job done.
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Re:Upload progress bar
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Re:Ability to individually kill divisions and fram
I believe the add-on you want is Nuke Anything Enhanced. It provides a "Remove This Object" entry in the right-click menu.
To get rid of Java / Flash you can select across the object and use "Remove Selection".
Get it at https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/951
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Re:stability?
That's being easy on FF.
With Linky, you can select a range of links and open them all at once in tabs.
Open 100 tabs? No problem. I have yet to see a crash doing that. Linky works well in FF 3.0 with compatibility checking off; it hasn't been updated to a 3.0 compatible version alas. -
How about making it almost as fast as IE?
I know this is boring, but rather than any new ad-ons, I'd like to firefox to be as fast or at least almost as fast as IE. Then I'd have a PRAYER of getting IE replaced with Mozilla, in the companies where I work. That would lead to replacing the Windows machines with Linux, and that would make me a happy person.
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=352367
No, I'm not making this up to make Mozilla look bad. No, I'm not wrong. This is a killer in corporate America. Companies with big sloppy apps with laundry lists of data cannot use Mozilla. They're stuck with IE.
Speed up rendering for large tables. By a factor of ten or so.
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Re:Built-in server overload protection
It's not quite what you are after, but there is something available to make servers more robust in the face of Slashdottings. RFC 2782 was published eight years ago, with previous drafts over 12 years old, but no browsers have implemented it to my knowledge. It was reported as a Mozilla bug nine years ago and remained unfixed.
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Revive WebMemo / Referrer History?
Just didn't see one in the extensions list in a search for 'history' before it:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2965
Unfortunately, it's only for older FireFox versions and 'experimental' at that.Similarly (also not maintained), Referrer History:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1756ForwardFork is also similar, and also similarly dead.
Makes you think if there's a reason; one post (in Referrer History) notes that as javascript, it's just too slow, and would have to be added in the core. If it's not in FF3 yet (I'm still on v2), then I guess they didn't see fit to do so.
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Revive WebMemo / Referrer History?
Just didn't see one in the extensions list in a search for 'history' before it:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2965
Unfortunately, it's only for older FireFox versions and 'experimental' at that.Similarly (also not maintained), Referrer History:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1756ForwardFork is also similar, and also similarly dead.
Makes you think if there's a reason; one post (in Referrer History) notes that as javascript, it's just too slow, and would have to be added in the core. If it's not in FF3 yet (I'm still on v2), then I guess they didn't see fit to do so.
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Re:I want my broswer to well, browse the web.
Latest version of Brief is fully compatible with Firefox 3. The speed has been improved, too.
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Re:stability?
Firefox does *NOT* come with the kitchen sink as standard; it's an add-on [addons.mozilla.org].
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Re:A Mute Button
A mute button would be great, but I find that this extension works just as well!
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Re:Upload progress bar
Firefox had the progress bar working for uploads for a while, but then it broke. There is pretty much nobody working on Firefox's networking code, so minor bugs like that tend to pile up more so than in other components of Firefox
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Re:something wrong with your math?
yea, and its probably https://addons.mozilla.org/ anyways!
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Re:IE - It's not for savvy users anymore
that is something I really hate, having to paste in notepad first to get rid of the formating
Agreed. That's why I installed Extended Copy Menu so I can copy as plain text.
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Re:Why alarm bells?
unless you care about add-ons (and personally, I have yet to see one FF addon that excites me).
have you seen firebug?
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Re:Good, Can We Loose the "Awseom Bar" Now?
Wow at least this crap is at the bottom of the page now, i was expecting all 300 comments to be "awesome bar sucks".
I hated auto-complete well enough before, now it has gone to the next level of annoyance.
Wait so you hated autocompletion and now your bitching that they changed it, well simply turn the whole thing off and go back to an adressbox
The best I can manage is to make it look like the original address bar.
The code is out there, with so much whining you'd think somebody would have made a patch already, and if they haven't then congratulations you can be the 1st!
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Re:Great
If you need an old version, you should be able to go to ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/.
But, yeah, I don't see that there's any reason why anyone should be telling you that you can't use an old version. Use what works for you. Hell, use version 0.1 if that's the version that has the features/functionality you want.
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Re:Why alarm bells?
If you have no use for greasemonkey, then please post links to the perfectly-designed websites with no room for improvement that you're visiting.
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Re:Maybe This Will Change Things
The solution to your problem:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1419Never had a problem with that. Heck, even windows update works in it.
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Re:The end of ctrl+enter days?
The awesomebar in FF3 and the https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/5890 Tree Style Tab work almost exactly as you describe. I think they're great.
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Re:The end of ctrl+enter days?
Sounds like you're looking for Stealther, an addon which can temporarily disable saving history, form entries, caching etc, and is easily enabled/disabled.
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Re:The end of ctrl+enter days?
A add-on search for "private browsing" turned up the Distrust plug-in. It sounds like exactly what you're looking for. The version there isn't FF3 compatible yet, but it looks like the author is just waiting for it be accepted and you can install it manually from that site.
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Re:Memory?...what about speed?
Compile it yourself.
Seriously, I tried the precompiled binary from Mozilla, and I found it rather lacking in speed. So, I got the source and compiled it with a few optimizations (-O3, -march=prescott, -msse3, -mmmx) and did a PGO build, and fired up the result--it was damn snappy.
Or, you might just want to look into Swiftweasel (Linux-only). It's basically the same, but pre-built.
One other thing I didn't try was building for 64-bit. After having this computer for a year and a half, I just yesterday realized the processor was 64-bit. :P -
Re:Firefox 3
It's even more annoying with error pages turned off.
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Re:Always.
And while you are on your soapbox, what is the alternative? By what other method do you suggest that I prove to my satisfaction that when I go to www.mybank.com.au that I am actually at mybank's website, and that a dns record somewhere hasn't been subverted and I am instead entering my login details to a phishing site made up to look exactly like my bank?
The first connection to a site must always verify the signature using an out-of-band channel. CAs are one type of out-of-band channel, but not the only type. After the initial verification, the petname toolbar saves the signature with a user-specified label, and displays that label everytime you connect to a site with the same signature so you know who you're dealing with. Simple and effective.
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Re:Tons of themSomeone above says the a CA adds nothing. I don't agree with that. They add identity verification *to the extent* that site visitors actually *read* the certificates What's worse, they would have to do that *every single time* they visit an SSL protected site. The vast majority of users will not be bothered to do that, and I include myself here.
There are tools to make checking certificates easier. I'm currently using a Firefox add-on called "Petname", which lets you assign "pet names" for certificates that you've seen and checked once. When the same certificate is encountered again later, the name you assigned is displayed next to the URL (with green highlighting). The UI is very very simple and easy to use, and the cert key is stored with your bookmarks, so it will even sync with Foxmarks. It's not the solution for everything, but it gives you the ability to spot a changed certificate at a glance.
and evaluate their level of trust in the CA. This is harder, and I don't have a ready solution for it, other than the "many eyes" method of open source software like browsers and distributions.
Of course, this implies that you trust your browser, and the Petname tool. Well, it's either that, or no netbanking for you. Security isn't. You have to decide who to trust (open source browsers and extensions help a hell of a lot), and put in a "best effort" to be secure. -
Re:Does it still have the Awesomebar? It does?
Parent is not informative.
Took me all of 10 seconds with google: "Firefox3 Awesomebar disable". And yet, that page is absolutely not what the GP was asking for.To quote:
Some things are more important than resource conservation, such as not screwing the user by needlessly taking away functionality and telling them "you'll get over it".I'd gladly have Firefox 3 with the same footprint as Firefox 2 if that's the price to pay for keeping the old address bar autocomplete functionality in the code.
gumpish--and I, and a lot of people as far as I can tell--want the "classic" (read: FF2) location bar behavior. There is currently no way to get that in FF3. There used to be an about:config setting for it in some of the betas, but they took it out and told those people who liked the old functionality to shut up and deal.The about:config tweaks on the page you linked to will disable the location bar dropdown entirely (heck, it even says as much in the edit--did you even read the page you linked?).
A sibling post suggests the oldbar extension, but that only changes the appearance of the bar and not the behavior.
As I said, there is currently no way to get this functionality in FF3. The closest thing is this extension, but that's not perfect. Really, this bug needs to be fixed.
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Re:Does it still have the Awesomebar? It does?
Parent is not informative.
Took me all of 10 seconds with google: "Firefox3 Awesomebar disable". And yet, that page is absolutely not what the GP was asking for.To quote:
Some things are more important than resource conservation, such as not screwing the user by needlessly taking away functionality and telling them "you'll get over it".I'd gladly have Firefox 3 with the same footprint as Firefox 2 if that's the price to pay for keeping the old address bar autocomplete functionality in the code.
gumpish--and I, and a lot of people as far as I can tell--want the "classic" (read: FF2) location bar behavior. There is currently no way to get that in FF3. There used to be an about:config setting for it in some of the betas, but they took it out and told those people who liked the old functionality to shut up and deal.The about:config tweaks on the page you linked to will disable the location bar dropdown entirely (heck, it even says as much in the edit--did you even read the page you linked?).
A sibling post suggests the oldbar extension, but that only changes the appearance of the bar and not the behavior.
As I said, there is currently no way to get this functionality in FF3. The closest thing is this extension, but that's not perfect. Really, this bug needs to be fixed.
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Re:But the disadvantage of the awesome bar
There have an Add-on for that
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/6227
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Re:Bright future
Here's an overview of ECMAScript 4, the new version of JavaScript:
http://www.ecmascript.org/es4/spec/overview.pdf
It sure looks to me like they are taking all the coolest stuff from Python and grafting it onto JavaScript.[1] The result will be a language a lot like Python, but with code blocks wrapped in curly braces and no significant whitespace.
One of the biggest changes will be a class inheritance model much more like Python's. The prototype-based inheritance will still be available, but I for one will be happy to use the new model.
Already, my favorite features from Python have been grafted on to JavaScript, and are available right now in Firefox 2:
http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/New_in_JavaScript_1.7
Steve Yegge has said that he thinks he knows what the "Next Big Language" will be. I think he is talking about JavaScript, and I think he may be right.
steveha
[1] If you are a fan of some other language, it may look to you like they are grabbing cool things from your language. And far be it from me to argue about which language a feature was "really" borrowed from. Python borrowed much of its cool features from other languages anyway.
Actually having real inheritance and still have the access to the virtual method table was there way before python, I dont think python has a single feature which was not copied from other languages. Even the code block feature which most non python users hate (and therefore not touch the language) was there before one way or the other. Not sure if there is even one feature which was invented by Python. Maybe one the language fanboys in public forums promoting their language... Ah no that was invented by the Lisp crowd :-) Sorry to be that harsh but my stance on ***fill in the language of your choice*** has changed somewhat. The last usable language which really brought new things onto the table was Smalltalk adn that one was invented in the 70s. All others either rehashed old concepts or if they tried to make new things were utterly unusable. The funny thing is that the scripting language domain is the worst in this regard. Not speaking necessarily of python, basically all newer scripting languages do the same with different syntax and everyone of those languages have their load of fanboys trying to promote their language as newest kid on the table doing fabolous things which smalltalk and others already did in the mid 70s. -
Re:Standard JS Please
almost all modern browsers should be compliant to ECMA-262 (3rd ed), well, at least the wikipedia entry tells me that is so
As long as you stick to that, you should be totally fine. this is all you'll ever need for docs. I've yet to run into any standardization issues with javascript when coding for ff/ie. If you stick to the basics there really shouldn't be anything you can't do to break on either firefox or ie.
What are all these standardization issue people keep talking about? Can I see an working example? (this isn't sarcasm, I'm just curious what everybody is referring to - like I missed the party)
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Re:screaming monkey?
Others have already mentioned SpiderMonkey being the current Mozilla JS engine; there's also plans for ActionMonkey, being the marriage of ActionScript (i.e. Tamarin, the Adobe JS engine) with SpiderMonkey.
Oh, and IronMonkey for possibly running Iron[Python|Ruby] (i.e. CLR-ish things) with Tamarin.
It's also easier to buy screaming monkey mascots.
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Re:screaming monkey?
Others have already mentioned SpiderMonkey being the current Mozilla JS engine; there's also plans for ActionMonkey, being the marriage of ActionScript (i.e. Tamarin, the Adobe JS engine) with SpiderMonkey.
Oh, and IronMonkey for possibly running Iron[Python|Ruby] (i.e. CLR-ish things) with Tamarin.
It's also easier to buy screaming monkey mascots.
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Re:I want embedded javascript
Many of these would probably suit you: List of ECMAScript Engines.
Some helpful documentation:
How to embed SpiderMonkey in your C/C++ program (try Rhino for Java apps).Although in my opinion Lua is so similar to JavaScript in all the right ways, and is so easily embedded, that it might be a better choice anyway.
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Re:I want embedded javascript
Many of these would probably suit you: List of ECMAScript Engines.
Some helpful documentation:
How to embed SpiderMonkey in your C/C++ program (try Rhino for Java apps).Although in my opinion Lua is so similar to JavaScript in all the right ways, and is so easily embedded, that it might be a better choice anyway.
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Re:I want embedded javascript
You can embed SpiderMonkey (http://www.mozilla.org/js/spidermonkey/) in your application to allow JavaScripting. But I don't how easy or difficult that would be.
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Bright future
Here's an overview of ECMAScript 4, the new version of JavaScript:
http://www.ecmascript.org/es4/spec/overview.pdf
It sure looks to me like they are taking all the coolest stuff from Python and grafting it onto JavaScript.[1] The result will be a language a lot like Python, but with code blocks wrapped in curly braces and no significant whitespace.
One of the biggest changes will be a class inheritance model much more like Python's. The prototype-based inheritance will still be available, but I for one will be happy to use the new model.
Already, my favorite features from Python have been grafted on to JavaScript, and are available right now in Firefox 2:
http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/New_in_JavaScript_1.7
Steve Yegge has said that he thinks he knows what the "Next Big Language" will be. I think he is talking about JavaScript, and I think he may be right.
steveha
[1] If you are a fan of some other language, it may look to you like they are grabbing cool things from your language. And far be it from me to argue about which language a feature was "really" borrowed from. Python borrowed much of its cool features from other languages anyway.
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Re:Maybe it's because
Wow, thanks! That removes the only reason I haven't updated to Firefox 3: the incompatibility of this extension.
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Re:A broader lesson
Encrytion is not in every circumstance easy to set up, but for example Thunderbird together with EnigMail... just plain easy to use and doesn't take a long time to teach.
I actually just set that up (literally -- I created my key immediately before typing this), and I think it could be easier. Namely, after installing EnigMail in Thunderbird, it didn't immediately work. Why was this? Because I needed to install GnuPG separately, which was not mentioned in the "how to install in Thunderbird" steps on EnigMail's Thunderbird addon page. Either it ought to be added to that list, or (better yet) GnuPG itself ought to be somehow included in the EnigMail installer itself.