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9 Reasons Why Developers Think the CIO Is Clueless

Esther Schindler writes "Finally, a Forrester analyst who understands the attitudes of software developers. Mike Gualtieri identifies nine behaviors managers need to steer clear of or risk being labeled 'clueless' — from control freak tendencies to being a vendor puppet. My favorite, however, is point #8: 'the CIO collaborates to death,' in which Gualtieri opines, 'And, if you never watched Star Trek then you shouldn't even be a CIO.'"

275 comments

  1. Ok, first off: by ardle · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What's a CIO? The article doesn't even say.

    1. Re:Ok, first off: by corsec67 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Chief Information Officer

      CEO: Chief Executive Officer
      CFO: Chief Financial Officer

      CxO terms are pretty common for the top level in larger corporations.

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    2. Re:Ok, first off: by SomeJoel · · Score: 4, Informative
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    3. Re:Ok, first off: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Redundant

      What's a CIO? The article doesn't even say.

      Chief Information Officer. Also, Chief Investment Officer, but that wouldn't make much sense in the context of this article.

    4. Re:Ok, first off: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's what happens when the article is in CIO magazine. They tend to start making assumptions about what you know about CIOs.

    5. Re:Ok, first off: by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 5, Funny

      Chief Information Officer

      CEO: Chief Executive Officer
      CFO: Chief Financial Officer

      CxO terms are pretty common for the top level in larger corporations.

      CTO: Chief Technology Officer
      COO: Chief Operating Officer

      All equal to:

      CYO: Cover Your Own _____

    6. Re:Ok, first off: by ardle · · Score: 1

      Priceless, thanks :-)

    7. Re:Ok, first off: by wpiman · · Score: 1

      Well hope can they expect to sell subscriptions when the magazine doesn't even specify? Perhaps there are many Chief Investment Officers who currently are currently receiving this magazine because they mistook the acronym.

    8. Re:Ok, first off: by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 2, Funny

      CYO: Cover Your Own _____

      which is an eloquent version of the CYA, which stands for Cover Your Ass. The two are interchangeable.

      Slashdot has dedicated entire articles to the CYO/CYA, and they are very informative.

    9. Re:Ok, first off: by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The same as any C?O. Some guy that has a foggy idea what his ? is, but isn't good enough to be actually working but yet can't be fired for some odd reason.

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    10. Re:Ok, first off: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      C3P0

    11. Re:Ok, first off: by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Funny

      I always thought it was Career Is Over ...

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    12. Re:Ok, first off: by nominanuda · · Score: 2, Insightful

      While I believe the other comments are correct that it stands for "Chief Information Officer," I know of a company that unfortunately must remain nameless, where they had a "Chief Innovation Officer," which basically just meant "giant douchebag."

    13. Re:Ok, first off: by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      I honestly don't remember which article I read it in (in the SJ Mercury News), but within the past week, I saw a reference to either "chief executive" or "chief officer", and it wasn't referring to the CEO. I couldn't figure out what exactly they were talking about. I have a feeling it was about Yahoo, but I could be wrong.

    14. Re:Ok, first off: by Z_A_Commando · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually, I was reading an article on Yahoo! today and I could swear they referred to someone as the Chief Innovation Officer. However, in my experience, it's always been:
      CEO: Chief Executive Officer
      CFO: Chief Financial Officer
      CTO: Chief Technology Officer
      CIO: Chief Information Officer
      COO: Chief Operations Officer

    15. Re:Ok, first off: by Original+Replica · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You forgot about the healthy six figure salary and five figure year bonus checks. That's what being a C?O is really all about. I almost forgot signing bonuses and golden parachutes, which is the reason they can't be fired, because it would cost more than keeping them around.

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    16. Re:Ok, first off: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      COO: Chief Operating Officer (usually a doctor)
      CTO: Chair Throwing Officer (usually a Ballmer)
      EIO: Chief Farming Officer (usually Old McDonald)

    17. Re:Ok, first off: by billcopc · · Score: 5, Funny

      Chief Insult Officer, that's me.

      "Go snort a moose, you snorkel-bleaching thimble monger!"

      That's why I get paid the big bucks.

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    18. Re:Ok, first off: by Ilan+Volow · · Score: 2, Funny

      You're a CIO, aren't you?

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    19. Re:Ok, first off: by dougisfunny · · Score: 1

      Further proof anyone with a CxO is clueless about their job. You had me til thimble monger.

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    20. Re:Ok, first off: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh.. CYO = Catholic Youth Organization...

    21. Re:Ok, first off: by 19061969 · · Score: 1

      A pleasure to meet you sir. I never knew that Steve Ballmer posted to /.

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    22. Re:Ok, first off: by tehcyder · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The same as any C?O. Some guy that has a foggy idea what his ? is, but isn't good enough to be actually working but yet can't be fired for some odd reason.

      So all CEOs and CFOs don't do any useful work and are just there because they can't be fired? That's an asinine over-generalisation even by /. standards.

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    23. Re:Ok, first off: by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Oh no, not all of them.

      Some could be fired. Or rotated to the top of another company once they managed to drive one into the ground.

      Don't get me wrong, but they are usually not worth what they're being paid. Most I met are short sighted, aiming for a quick buck without any thought for their long term responsibility. They see that fat bonus for making quick profits, lay off half the company and rely on the fact that most big companies are like oil tankers (i.e. even when you turn the engine off, it keeps going for a long, long while).

      Then they cash in their bonus and abandon ship, with you (as stock holder or employee) sitting there with your dead hulk.

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    24. Re:Ok, first off: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pointy-haired much?

    25. Re:Ok, first off: by R2.0 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "I always thought it was Career Is Over ..."

      I'm reminded of the last company I worked for, where the Kiss of Death was the QA Manager on a project. Ostensibly a real, *mandated* position of Govt. construction projects, it turned into a holding position for the incompetent, malcontents, and out of favor. The phrase "we're slotting you into the QA manager's slot on the XYZ job" is universally interpreted to mean "You have until the project ends to find a new job, or convince someone in another division to take you".

      I got copied on the letter to the Navy giving formal notice of the change in management moving me to QAM and the VP's bootlicker to PM. I handed in my notice the next day - I had been given a heads-up long before. I even signed my own pink slip.

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    26. Re:Ok, first off: by twiddlingbits · · Score: 1

      They get fired alright, the average life span of a CIO is 18-24 months. Bonuses and parachutes are common, you got that right. It's nothing to see them come in screw it up for 2 yrs, get fired, leave with 6 or 7 figure "severance" and the next guy (and the development teams) get left cleaning up the mess for another couple years.

    27. Re:Ok, first off: by Hognoxious · · Score: 3, Funny

      It stands for "Can't Install Oracle". Alternatively, it stands for "Can Install Oracle".

      It's a close call which is worse.

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    28. Re:Ok, first off: by Thuktun · · Score: 2, Informative

      CxO terms are pretty common for the top level in larger corporations.

      This is often referred to as "C level", as in, "For this project to succeed, we need buy-in at C level."

    29. Re:Ok, first off: by Omnifarious · · Score: 1

      Corporations are a legal pyramid scheme and the C?Os are near the apex of that pyramid.

    30. Re:Ok, first off: by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      If you don't know, you just might be (a clueless) one.
      - BOHF

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    31. Re:Ok, first off: by edittard · · Score: 1

      Perhaps. But do you think they'd notice?

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  2. Even the job title is clueless by Ed+Avis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you are called a 'CIO' then you are pretty much guaranteed to be an idiot. WTF is an 'Information Officer' anyway, and how can you be the chief one if there are no others? What is wrong with being head of the IT department? It doesn't sound as swanky, which is surely a good thing, reminding you that IT is there to serve the rest of the business.

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    1. Re:Even the job title is clueless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      What is wrong with being head of the IT department?

      It doesn't pay as well, for one thing.

    2. Re:Even the job title is clueless by plover · · Score: 5, Insightful
      It's not at all clueless. It's an "officer" level position, which has real meaning in the business world. It means that you have top level input. An ordinary manager (or even a Senior Vice President) doesn't have the same level of influence.

      As CIO, you are not there just to serve the rest of the business, but to drive it in the technological direction, or to steer it in the direction that best matches your technical capabilities. A "manager" level or "head of IT" person is in only a reactive position, having influence only over his or her pyramid, and does not rise to the corporate executive level.

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    3. Re:Even the job title is clueless by dedazo · · Score: 4, Informative

      The CIO is just where the tech buck stops in some companies. Positions like CFO and CEO are older, but CIO and CTO were created to have someone at the officer level (legally) that can act as a representative of the company in such matters as pertain to technology and synergisms, at least going forward (OK that last part was a bit much). It's someone who can stand in front of the CEO and explain why the data center was overrun by a squad of ninjas (OK I'll stop now).

      It's really not much different than "VP of Technology" and titles like that.

      And I know a few good ones, so no, I don't think they're all emotionally challenged, at least not in relation to other people at officer-level positions I tend to meet.

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    4. Re:Even the job title is clueless by ContractualObligatio · · Score: 1

      Well, no. A job title is just a job title, although in the case of "CIO" it pretty much guarantees "well paid for this company", and I'd be surprised to hear of any evidence that directly relates "well paid" to "guaranteed idiot".

      More likely someone who judges someone's intelligence on the basis of holding a generic, popular job title is going to be the idiot.

    5. Re:Even the job title is clueless by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 3, Funny

      A friend of mine just left the post of CIO for a major energy distribution utility. He said the acronym stands for "Career Is Over".

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    6. Re:Even the job title is clueless by plover · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Well, if you're a Senior VP and get titled with CIO, exactly which position is left for you to aspire to? The CEO's spot is reserved for MBAs, not people who rose through technical merit. (Frankly, I think most CIOs would make really lousy CEOs.)

      But yeah, once you leave that post, it's likely that you'll be viewed as "overqualified" (pronounced O'ver-paid') by other firms, and you'd better have a decent benefits package.

      Unless you've somehow became famous for your firm's innovations. That's much more visible with CEOs than CIOs, but I suppose that CIOs probably have their elite stars, too.

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    7. Re:Even the job title is clueless by wasted · · Score: 1

      If you are called a 'CIO' then you are pretty much guaranteed to be an idiot. WTF is an 'Information Officer' anyway, and how can you be the chief one if there are no others?


      It's often just a position so someone can get paid a lot to tell the IT department to produce data that verifies that GIGO is true. This is done by providing data and assumptions for the GI so that the GO can be presented to the board to justify whatever decision is fashionable at the moment.

      What is wrong with being head of the IT department? It doesn't sound as swanky, which is surely a good thing, reminding you that IT is there to serve the rest of the business.


      That position is called Director of Information Technology, and they don't get to be as clueless or as well compensated as a CIO.

    8. Re:Even the job title is clueless by Hucko · · Score: 1

      What you say sounds reasonable. The problem is, these problems, err, positions seem to have forgotten what it is like 'at the bottom'. It is a perspective issue. The blokes at the top all wonder what kind of idiots they have working for them "... not your level; you're doing a fantastic job! Those idiot C10s over in ..." The people at the bottom see C?O treating the products and issues that to the bottomers is a lot of dosh, they see the C?O (or anyone above their level+ ~3) as not having any sense. "I am the C10 over in ... nincompoop. There is only one of us!"

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    9. Re:Even the job title is clueless by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      The CIO is the idiot up front who takes the heat while the real power lies with the CDO: the chief DISinformation officer.

    10. Re:Even the job title is clueless by martin-boundary · · Score: 1

      In Soviet Russia, CIO is entry level KGB spy position. Stepping stone to President, or even Prime Minister, if lucky :)

    11. Re:Even the job title is clueless by I+cant+believe+its+n · · Score: 5, Funny

      What is wrong with being head of the IT department?

      It doesn't pay as well, for one thing.

      Amazingly (from an anatomical perspective), as a CxO you can be both the head and a dick at the same time.

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    12. Re:Even the job title is clueless by I+cant+believe+its+n · · Score: 1

      In the UK at least, holding an "officer" position in a company, means that you can be held legally responsible for your companys actions even though you may not have actually performed said action yourself.

      Examples range from dumping toxic waste and running over employees with heavy machinery, to buying equipment from Dell whilst knowing their support is going to completely ignore you unless you imply you will be buying additional equipment soon.

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    13. Re:Even the job title is clueless by Heather+D · · Score: 1

      Thats why they are called CIO. It's the new feudalism, in which our 'betters' are supposed to look and act like our friends in order to get away with more. That and corporate politics. Any dept. that is there only to serve the rest of the business is the low monkey on the totem-pole and will quickly be run into the ground.

      Unfortunately, knowing whose a** to sniff and whose to spurn is a bigger part of the CIOs role than tech is in most cases.

    14. Re:Even the job title is clueless by EastCoastSurfer · · Score: 1

      The CEO's spot is reserved for MBAs, not people who rose through technical merit.

      The stats don't back you up. This is an older article, but it shows only 38% of fortune 500 CEOs have an MBA.

    15. Re:Even the job title is clueless by DustCollector · · Score: 1

      Head of IT makes you a HIT man instead of a CIO... which, sadly, is sometimes true.

      Pre-emptive comment: Yes, you can be a Senior Head of IT, too.

    16. Re:Even the job title is clueless by ralewi1 · · Score: 1

      What's wrong with "head of the IT department" is that it doesn't accurately describe the scope of what a CIO is responsible for. Eg. in the US, the Department of the Navy has a CIO - he doesn't lead a department, he directs IT policy that affects an ungodly number of Marines, Sailors, government civilians and contractors, worldwide. A CIO isn't the head of a department, he's head of IT for all departments.

    17. Re:Even the job title is clueless by ContractualObligatio · · Score: 1

      Erm. Your post is very difficult to read. I don't understand what you are trying to say. But it sounds like it is full of prejudice and sweeping generalisations.

    18. Re:Even the job title is clueless by dwye · · Score: 2, Interesting

      In the UK at least, holding an "officer" position in a company, means that you can be held legally responsible for your companys actions even though you may not have actually performed said action yourself.

      A few years back, an article in one of my computer magazines (Dr. Dobbs or PC probably, but I forget, now) pointed out that the benefit of raising the head of IT to CIO is that the board now has a patsy to take the fall when they screw up, whereas some manager wouldn't satisfy Wall Street, the FBI, Elliot Spitzer's or Rudy Giuliani's task force from the US Attorney's Office, or whatever other group wants someone to blame. Otherwise, it was a dead end, and the occupant "died" fairly soon after, moving on to "a new, exciting opportunity" with some small or startup firm or retiring to "spend more time with my family" or whatever other lame cover-up.

    19. Re:Even the job title is clueless by totally+bogus+dude · · Score: 4, Funny

      explain why the data center was overrun by a squad of ninjas

      CEO: Wait. Let me get this straight. Our website was offline -- costing us forty zillion dollars per nanosecond -- because the data centre was overrun by ninjas?

      CIO: Yes, that's exactly right, sir. You see-

      CEO: (interrupting) So with the 200 billion dollar budget we allocated you -- and which you spent every last cent of, might I add -- you somehow forgot to provide adequate physical security for the facility?

      CIO: Well, no sir, we had 24/7 security -- both humans and robots -- biometric scanners, 14 inch reinforced steel and concrete walls in 7 concentric rings, blast-proof doors, a five factor authentication sys-

      CEO: (interrupting again) So then, what you're saying, Mr Fancy Pants CIO, is that you misspent a two hundred million dollar budget on ineffective security measures for our most important computing facility?

      CIO: Well, no not really sir, the security of the facility is second to none - there has never been a breach of even the first layer of security in the last 7 years, not even the Ru-

      CEO: (interrupting, shouting, spraying the CIO with saliva) SO HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN OUR WEBSITE BEING DOWN FOR OVER 8 HOURS DUE TO THE PHYSICAL SECURITY HAVING BEING BREACHED?

      CIO: Well sir, it's like this. Ninjas are awesome. Like, really freaking awesome.

      CEO: (the anger immediately leaves his face as he regains his composure) Oh. I see. You're right, ninjas are really freaking awesome. Nothing could have prevented this. Good job.

    20. Re:Even the job title is clueless by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      You've obviously never seen someone perform self fellatio.

      Which happens to be my view of most CxOs

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    21. Re:Even the job title is clueless by snspdaarf · · Score: 1

      That's why we have the term, "dickhead."

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    22. Re:Even the job title is clueless by Jarik_Tentsu · · Score: 1

      What's confusing is CTO versus CIO. Sometimes they're equal. Sometimes the CIO reports to the CTO. Sometimes the CTO reports to the CIO.

      What's the difference? Who does what? Who reports to who!? What's the difference between 'IT' and 'Technology' in a typical tier 1 business!?

      `Jarik

    23. Re:Even the job title is clueless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Better than explaining why or even how toy stuffed dinosaur raptors managed to climb on top of the server and overheat everything. ;)

    24. Re:Even the job title is clueless by Anarke_Incarnate · · Score: 2, Funny

      Where is the "-2 +3 Forgot his Pills Today" moderation when you need it?

    25. Re:Even the job title is clueless by turbidostato · · Score: 1

      Well, the easy (and usually correct) answer is CTO really comes from a technical background where CIO holds a degree on poetry or something like this, so go figure.

      The "proper" answer is that Information is not Technology as Astronomy is not Telescopes. While the CTO is aimed at the T of the equation and how "information T" can help to achieve the company strategic goals and even open new opportunities as Technology advances, CIO will focus on the I and its fluxes through and beyond the company, surely with the strong aid of "Information technologies" but not limited to them. As Arthur Jones states "all organizations are perfectly designed to get the results they get. To get better results, you need to improve the design of the organization"; it is CIO's job to understand the company and its surrounding environment as the complex system it is (and I'm meaning "complex system" on its scientific meaning so, basically an informational machine) and organize it for the better of the company and, in backwards, to "exploit" what currently the company is (with its strenghs and weakenesses) to its full capabilities.

      It's unneeded to say how vague the previous definition for a CIO job statement is and so, how open to moronic/pointy-headed ideas both from the rest of CxO and the CIO himself. Nevertheless when a CIO is both capable for the job and allowed by the other CxO to do it, he can make a *hugh* difference for the company, only comparable to that of the CEO (with which overlaps not little in role).

    26. Re:Even the job title is clueless by kwabbles · · Score: 1

      "act as a representative of the company in such matters as pertain to technology and synergisms"

      That sounded suspiciously like CIO speak. I smell management.

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    27. Re:Even the job title is clueless by Hucko · · Score: 1

      Really? That is terrible!

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    28. Re:Even the job title is clueless by dedazo · · Score: 1

      No, honest to god... I just hang out with them too much =)

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    29. Re:Even the job title is clueless by Satan's_Tool · · Score: 1

      Should have put some Pirates in for Datacenter security. They would have stopped those Ninjas....every CIO should know that.

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    30. Re:Even the job title is clueless by Gazzonyx · · Score: 1

      I salute you!
      That being said, you owe me a keyboard and a caffeinated beverage.

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  3. Star Trek? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Oh yes, because all us engineers are all the same with our funny little ways and you really must get to know us as we all are.

    The only thing Gualtieri needs is to never manage software developers, unless he wants a homogenised band of slaves who are easy to tame by sounding "with the gang" but who won't provide an ounce of innovation because they're all already reading from the same hymn sheet.

    1. Re:Star Trek? by Esther+Schindler · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You don't think that his Star Trek comment is funny?! There's a sort-of accompanying article about managing developers, based on what developers say motivates them. Not all the opinions agree, obviously. (I wrote that one.)

    2. Re:Star Trek? by R_Dorothy · · Score: 1

      Thanks, that's a good article.

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    3. Re:Star Trek? by Chrisje · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I have to second that motion. This article was of abysmal quality, but then again Forrester.... Pffff... I had a girlfriend once that worked for Forrester's branch office in Amsterdam and I have never met so many incompetent bags of wind in the same space ever before. They did employ hot women though. One of them wore a cat-suit for Halloween that was quite.... Inspirational.

      Anyway, I have never seen anything emanating from the likes of Forrester or Gartner that actually had any bearing on Life, The Universe and The Rest insofar they weren't taken on by C*O's and made into self-fulfilling prophecies.

      Bloody idiots.

  4. full screen ad link by SpicyLemon · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Who's bright idea was it to put those stupid fade-on full screen adds over webpages.
    Thanks for a link to an ad. I'll skip this story and find one posted on a site that doesn't hate users.

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    1. Re:full screen ad link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You need to change the way that you're browsing - no "full screen" ads here.

      (noscript and Firefox here, but I'm sure that any decent modern browser can do the same)

    2. Re:full screen ad link by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 2, Informative
      Hmmph. For those of you too dumb to use Adblock/NOScript and too lazy to read TFA, here's a my personal fave:

      8. The CIO collaborates to death. Whether it is the character flaw of being indecisive or some middle-school notion of democracy, you are in charge. Collaboration is critical, but you also need to make the right decision at the right time. Collaborate like Captain Kirk. "Spock?" "Bones?" He gets opinions from his experts but there is never any question about who will make the final decision. And, if you never watched Star Trek then you shouldn't even be a CIO.

    3. Re:full screen ad link by mpathy · · Score: 1

      +1 from me..

      I have no ads at all since months - if my open source "AdBlock Plus" for Firefox at least oversee one, I add its link with one mouse click to the other ad's!

      Use Firefox, not stupid IE..
      Even Opera has a AdBlocker!

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    4. Re:full screen ad link by CodeBuster · · Score: 1

      Thanks for a link to an ad. I'll skip this story and find one posted on a site that doesn't hate users.

      OR you could download the Firefox browser and customize it with the AdBlock Plus, NoScript, and Flashblock add-ons. Just say no to ads...

    5. Re:full screen ad link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As an employee at an adware-producing company, I find your comment offensive.

    6. Re:full screen ad link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As an average web surfer, I find your existence not only offensive, but overrated as well.

    7. Re:full screen ad link by Hatta · · Score: 1

      Who's bright idea was it to put those stupid fade-on full screen adds over webpages.
      Thanks for a link to an ad. I'll skip this story and find one posted on a site that doesn't hate users.

      Maybe it was a clueless CIO?

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  5. 9 Reasons Why Developers KNOW the CIO Is Clueless by tomhudson · · Score: 5, Funny

    s/think.KNOW/gi;

    There, fixed it for you.

    If we only THOUGHT the CIO was clueless, that would be a different story. too many businesses are like septic tanks - the really big chunks (the floaters) rise to the top.

    So remember, children, high visibility isn't necessarily a good thing. It might mean you're just full of shit.

    Coder: "How tall are you?"
    CIO: "6.1"
    Coder: "Gee, they're piling shit higher nowadays."

  6. Tap an Ethernet Cable? by I+Want+to+be+Anonymo · · Score: 5, Funny

    First he says don't be a dinosaur, then he starts talking about tapping Ethernet cables.

    The last time I tapped an Ethernet cable, my buddy was throwing 9-track tapes at the dinosaurs to keep them away!

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    1. Re:Tap an Ethernet Cable? by Chris+Burke · · Score: 5, Funny

      The last time I tapped an Ethernet cable, my buddy was throwing 9-track tapes at the dinosaurs to keep them away!

      Look, you take an IT job at Jurassic Park, you gotta expect things like that. Chaos theory and all that.

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    2. Re:Tap an Ethernet Cable? by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Check out the bandwidth on that ethernet cable."
      "Oh yeah. That's what I'm talking about!"
      "I'd tap it."
      "Hell yeah, I'd tap it! I'd tap every day and twice on Sundays!"
      "Yep."
      "Yeah."

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    3. Re:Tap an Ethernet Cable? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      However, he calls it coaxial Ethernet. I used to cable places up with coax, but it was ARCnet back then.

    4. Re:Tap an Ethernet Cable? by pete-classic · · Score: 1

      He seems to be referring to 10BASE5.

      -Peter

    5. Re:Tap an Ethernet Cable? by cbreaker · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's actually very similar to conversations I've had.. I think it's actually pretty fun.

      Have you ever asked for the "default toppings" when the waitress asked what you wanted on your cheeseburger? I did that by accident once - I got the deer-in-the-headlights face.

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    6. Re:Tap an Ethernet Cable? by schon · · Score: 1

      However, he calls it coaxial Ethernet.

      OK - so what's wrong with that? While not exactly a common term, it's pretty clear he's talking about 10Base-2 or 10Base-5 ethernet, both of which run on co-axial cable (10Base2 runs on RG58, and 10Base-5 runs on RG8).

      I used to cable places up with coax, but it was ARCnet back then.

      Arcnet and co-ax ethernet are two different things.

      Before the advance of cheap 10Base-T hubs, 10Base-2 was a very economical method of creating LANs, especially for small ad-hoc networks (I set up quite a few LAN parties with it - it was cheap and easy.)

    7. Re:Tap an Ethernet Cable? by Gazzonyx · · Score: 1

      Wasn't "Frozen Theater Rope" 10BASE2?
      *I was born in '84, slightly before my time, but I've heard War Stories*

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    8. Re:Tap an Ethernet Cable? by Hyppy · · Score: 1

      I made an ethernet tap last week to hook up a new Snort box.

      *sniff sniff*

    9. Re:Tap an Ethernet Cable? by Thuktun · · Score: 1

      This bit is, of course, funnier if you've worked with coax Ethernet cabling.

    10. Re:Tap an Ethernet Cable? by snspdaarf · · Score: 1

      "Mount tape 7. No ring."

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    11. Re:Tap an Ethernet Cable? by pete-classic · · Score: 1

      10BASE2 is A.K.A. "thinnet" or "cheapernet". Uses Ts at terminals. 10BASE5 was "thicknet" and used "vampire taps" and AUI, which looks just like a P.C. joystick port. (If you remember what a joystick port looks like.)

      -Peter

  7. 1 reason why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...I think the article's author is clueless:

    if you never watched Star Trek then you shouldn't even be a CIO.

    If you make decisions based on the television programmes you watch, you are a fucking moron.

    1. Re:1 reason why by cbreaker · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hey dipshit, I guess you're too dense to understand the statement. You must be a CIO.

      So, I'll explain it.

      1) It's generally believed that most people in the IT profession are fans of Star Trek or some other sort of Science Fiction.

      2) If you are in a position of managing IT and the people running your IT systems, you should have a certain level of technical knowledge and background.

      3) If you don't, or have never watched Star Trek, you probably aren't into tech

      4) If you're not into technology, you shouldn't be a Chief INFORMATION Officer

      It has nothing to do with basing decisions on a TV show.

      Woah. I underestimated how draining it is to feed trolls like you.

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    2. Re:1 reason why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...I think the article's author is clueless:

      if you never watched Star Trek then you shouldn't even be a CIO.

      If you make decisions based on the television programmes you watch, you are a fucking moron.

      Interestingly there is quite a lot you can find out about a person from their listening and watching habits. Certain shows tend to attract people with intelligence.

    3. Re:1 reason why by splatter · · Score: 1

      So let me get this perfect logic straight.

      If your an A you probably like B
      If your an A you Have C
      If you don't have C or watch B your not a A
      If your not an A you can't be a CIO.

      One word for that flawless logic
      Awesome!

      Keep flaming you logic sense master! I bow to your logic skills

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    4. Re:1 reason why by cbreaker · · Score: 1

      You must be the Anonymous Coward I replied to.

      What you conveniently didn't pay attention to were the qualifiers I used such as "generally believed" and "probably."

      It's not perfect logic (and it wasn't MY logic to begin with, it was the writer of the article on the web site) - I was simply explaining to the dipshit (read: you) that they missed the point entirely. I didn't come up with the idea. I just understood it, which you apparently still do not.

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    5. Re:1 reason why by splatter · · Score: 1

      Wrong answer, thanks for playing, & btw believe what you would like, but I have to /. accounts and no need to troll as a AC, see I don't troll like you..

      I will train hard to learn your perfect reasoning / troll skills.

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  8. Bad Assumptions by grizdog · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The article begins by saying that a CIO doesn't want to be labeled as clueless by his or her subordinates, but I think some of them may wear it as a badge of honor. They don't want to be labeled as clueless by their superiors, but I think they want to identify themselves as executives, rather than nerds.


    Also, point 4 in the article is going to be interpreted by any CIOs who do care as "be sure to stay current with all the hot buzzwords". Developers will see through most attempts at this instantly.

    1. Re:Bad Assumptions by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And this is where you see the difference between a good and a bad CIO. A CIO has to navigate the fine balance between being "geeky" and being ... umm ... what's the term for someone who hangs out with suits?

      He needs the respect from the senior officers or he won't get any of his ideas past the board, no matter how good they are or how much they would push the company ahead. At the same time, he must not become a suit or he loses any respect from his coders. I think I'm not the only "geek" that learned to identify a suit with someone who doesn't even know how to turn on his machine without corrupting the system.

      And on top of it all, he should be able to provide ideas and strategies for the future of the company's IT direction.

      That the average human being has to fail in such an environment is a given. That there are actually good CIOs is a blessing if you happen to work for one.

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    2. Re:Bad Assumptions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      umm ... what's the term for someone who hangs out with suits?

      not sure the name, but don't suits usually hang out in the closet?

    3. Re:Bad Assumptions by smellotron · · Score: 1

      ... umm ... what's the term for someone who hangs out with suits?

      Creditworthy?

    4. Re:Bad Assumptions by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 1

      ... umm ... what's the term for someone who hangs out with suits?

      "Corporate".

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    5. Re:Bad Assumptions by Vengeance_au · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I had it communicated to me succinctly as "keeping your inner geek on a leash" - able to keep it in check when with the suits, but able to unleash it when required.

    6. Re:Bad Assumptions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what's the term for someone who hangs out with suits?

      Richfilth groupies.

  9. Vendor Puppets by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The former CIO of one of America's 'Big Three' car companies, who shall remain nameless, but I'll say that the name of the company is a four-letter word ;) -- was an IBM vendor puppet. Of course, he came from IBM, and after he left, he went back to work for IBM....hmmm.....

    Needless to say, his policies live on. The only approved vendor at the four-letter American automobile manufacturer is ... IBM.

    1. Re:Vendor Puppets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Fiat? Audi? Lada? Gimme a clue here!

    2. Re:Vendor Puppets by Alex+Belits · · Score: 1

      Refering to a bunch of companies as "Big N" is American-ism, so none of those companies qualify.

      Unrelated to that, the company that makes Lada is VAZ or AVTOVAZ, so it's neither "big" nor has a four-letter name.

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    3. Re:Vendor Puppets by treeves · · Score: 2, Informative

      It was a joke, but he was talking about FORD.

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    4. Re:Vendor Puppets by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 1

      I said *American*, right? Lada, Audi, and Fiat are not American car companies. Anyway, there's only one American car company whose name is four-letter word. And it was a joke. In the US, when one is referring to a 'four-letter word', they usually mean a swear word, as most of them are.

    5. Re:Vendor Puppets by Fnordulicious · · Score: 1

      Chev?
      Dodg?
      Chry?
      Linc?
      Jeep?

      Ah, that's it. You must mean Jeep.

    6. Re:Vendor Puppets by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 1

      Jeep isn't a car company. It's currently a subsidiary of Chrysler. (Before that, it was part of American Motors)

    7. Re:Vendor Puppets by sarts · · Score: 1

      So... it's Ford? (Or is that part of GM?) Could you please feed our interest and tell us which one you mean?

  10. CIO role by Amarok.Org · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The problem is, in many companies, the role of the CIO is pretty nebulous.

    It gets further confusing when you have both a CIO and a CTO. When you don't, the CIO has to fill both roles, which are often at odds.

    The way I see it...

    The CTO is responsible for understanding, predicting, and planning technology.

    The CIO is responsible for ensuring that the technology in use by and acquired for the company is in the best interests of the company (and its shareholders, if applicable).

    CIOs are typically from a financial background, as at the end of the day their primary responsibility is to the business units that fund the technology. It isn't about the latest, flashiest, or even best gadgets - it's about meeting the needs of the business units while spending the least amount of money to do so. Unfortunately, this often leaves us (the geeks) on the short end of the stick. And perhaps worse, with the financial focus of the average CIO, they often fail to understand where a reasonable investment in technology can save them money over time. Since the typical CIO is only in their position for a few years, they don't have a lot of time for investments to pay off. Cut costs today, and let the next guy fix the mess they've made.

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    1. Re:CIO role by maz2331 · · Score: 5, Informative

      In all seriousness, the proper role of a CIO is to ensure that the proper information (the "I") is delivered to the people who need it in the least expensive and fastest manner possible.

      Period.

      It doesn't matter if that info comes in via computer, iPhone, or carrier pigeon. Just that the people have what they need when they need it, at the lowest possible cost.

      A CTO has the task of picking the technology that makes that possible.

      A CFO has to look at the real numbers and move them from column "A" to column "B" such that profit is maximized and cost is minimized. Without committing a felony in the process.

      The CEO has to figure out WTF all the other CxOs are doing, try to watch the outside world, and figure out a plan that maximizes his paycheck without pissing off shareholders, getting sued into oblivion, prosecuted (see CFO), or committing a felony that he can't pawn off to the CFO. All while being liable for both mistakes and lies of the other CxO's under him.

    2. Re:CIO role by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Hmm... One shifts information, one builds the roads for that, the next finances it and some guy supervises them.

      Umm... is there any C?O actually responsible for ... well, you know, getting some sort of product on the way?

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    3. Re:CIO role by Trojan35 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      IT People say: "Stupid Finance doesn't see the savings from investing in IT"

      So, finance invests in IT in a project for $3M thats supposed to generate $5M in savings.
      Then, a year later, IT people leave, new people arrive and demand the system be upgraded for $3M more.

      Finance says: "No."
      IT People say: "Stupid Finance doesn't see the savings from investing in IT"

      See, I can paint with a broad brush too.

    4. Re:CIO role by AllIGotWasThisNick · · Score: 1

      The Chief Operating Officer?

    5. Re:CIO role by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      CTO is generally in charge of engineering.

      Also CMO, chief marketing officer, in charge of selling it.

    6. Re:CIO role by rho · · Score: 1

      Period.

      People who say "Period." are usually talking out of their hat.

      The actual job of the CIO involves more than that. Most jobs cannot be so simply summarized. At least not usefully.

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    7. Re:CIO role by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      You know what's funny? I've never met one.

      I've had my share of meetings with various C?Os from various companies. Mostly CTOs and CISOs, of course, with the occational CIO, but I've actually never met a COO.

      One could interpret it as me, being IT sec, having little to nothing to do with one. Personally, for me it is more a sign that most companies don't really produce anything anymore.

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    8. Re:CIO role by duffbeer703 · · Score: 1

      Usually the CTO is on the product side, and the CIO on the operations side. So if you're a software company, the CTO is in change of the technology of your products. The CIO is in charge of IT, datacenters, usually security and that sort of thing.

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    9. Re:CIO role by cbreaker · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That most companies don't produce anything is an indication of the fact that the US is dominated by services companies.

      Companies that offer services don't produce anything except the services they provide. There's no "product."

      This is certainly dominant in the IT industry. There's really no production at all. I mean, Software companies (sometimes) produce software, but IT companies (IT meaning everything besides programming) just produce working systems (or not. But they try.)

      Then there's payroll companies, banks, repair shops, postal carriers, transportation companies, etc etc etc.

      Many companies that actually manufacture things, do so in poor countries (for obvious reasons) but leave management and infrastructure in the US or other wealthy countries.

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    10. Re:CIO role by nametaken · · Score: 1

      Yes, the Chief Operat[ing/ions] Officer, or COO.

    11. Re:CIO role by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 1

      but I've actually never met a COO

      We have one, and he's pretty cluey. He's the guy who operates the company along lines the CEO directs. Think "huge signing authority" and near-total responsibility for operational profit & loss.

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    12. Re:CIO role by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think we have CIOs because CTOs didnt work out. CTOs probably ended up as narrow cost cutters, capacity planners, and enemies of change. They were in charge of IT costs whereas CIOs are supposed to understand the information flowing through the company. They are supposed understand that the data flows describe the business as much or more then the money flows.

      Data breach risks? retention requirements? policy and practice impacts of eDiscovery? valuable data being accidentally parsed out of databases as junk when proper analysis and use to spin gold.

      There is much more then keeping up with TLA's or knowing the specs of the latest switches or the cooling req's of a new rack.

      Probably the best reason for a CIO is to stop boneheaded decisions from leaving the executive boardroom because once edicts are passed down its very hard to send them back up for a re-think IMHO.

      Now I'll RTFA

    13. Re:CIO role by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To make it simple, isn't the CIO in charge of (internal) IT and CTO in charge of R&D, at least in software companies?

    14. Re:CIO role by xorsyst · · Score: 1

      Cut costs today, and let the next guy fix the mess they've made.

      So, just like government then?

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    15. Re:CIO role by I+cant+believe+its+n · · Score: 1

      CTO is generally in charge of engineering.

      Scotty?

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  11. they have to be idiots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful


    to visit a webiste like CIO and not realise its just a sophisticated domain squatters site
    90% adverts 10% content

    1. Re:they have to be idiots by Chyeld · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You obviously aren't someone who receives a lot of these 'professional' magazines. Almost all of these are 'free' mailings from groups who make their money by stuffing the zine with as many ads as can fit on the pages. And like this particular article most are filled with a combination of completely obvious statements or a load of BS written by people who have never actually dealt with the matter at hand.

      "Really, you made it to the title of CIO and you haven't figured out that vendors lie?"

      "Really, you made it to the title of CIO and need a magazine to tell you that you need to manage your team as people and not faceless units?"

      "Really? No, really?"

      At my old job someone appearently hated me and slipped my name to a number of these outfits as a "Web Master". They make good "oohh, look how well read he is" decor if you leave them all over your desk and someone clueless walks by, but that's about all they are good for. Most of the time the paper isn't even easily recyclable.

    2. Re:they have to be idiots by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 1

      Actually, I'm rather addicted to these sort of magazines because of the ads, rather than the rather vapid insights. If it weren't for the vendors, we wouldn't have any IT. I find it fascinating to see where people perceive the opportunities to sell are, and sometimes the technology of the adverts is interesting too -- such as the time I clicked on an ad for one product I was interested in (it was a hosting company iirc) and it started up a chat session with a real sales person. I was amused, and rather pleased. Considering a lot of my work load is finding things to drop the cost of running some IT architecture or other, this stuff can be useful - it can trigger thinking that can lead on to other things if nothing else. If we weren't a market for this stuff, we wouldn't read it and it wouldn't be there.

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    3. Re:they have to be idiots by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Well, I can't complain about those magazines. I actually like them, they are ok one time coasters when you can't find your AOL CD under the heaps of junk on your desk.

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    4. Re:they have to be idiots by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and try to get them to remove you from their mailing list - spammers learn from them.

    5. Re:they have to be idiots by cbreaker · · Score: 1

      No, vendors aren't inherently bad. Just as lobbyists aren't inherently bad. Lobbyists help get your message across (good or bad) to the politicians, and vendors can offer solutions (good or bad) to IT problems.

      Both can be abused. I've worked for companies where there was a perfectly competent IT staff, but management (and it's not just a CIO problem, it can be other management too) constantly seeks out turn-key solutions and outside help for problems that can be (and often ARE) handled by existing staff.

      I've worked for both sides of the fence. Some companies want to run things in-house. Others are cluttered by appliances and consultants for all sorts of (often imaginary) problems. Usually, these in-house IT departments run better, for less money, then the ones filled with vendor appliances and staff.

      CIO's often cite "We want someone to blame" when choosing a specific vendor's turn-key solution. It's a bullshit argument, because they aren't accountable to you. Sure, you could stop paying them for their solution, but in the meantime you have a problem you can't solve and a bunch of vendors pointing fingers at each other.

      There's a middle-ground here, but uninformed and/or non-technical managers can royally fuck things up - and it happens a lot.

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    6. Re:they have to be idiots by cbreaker · · Score: 1

      Pfft. Newbie. I'm still using AOL floppy disks for coasters.

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    7. Re:they have to be idiots by Gazzonyx · · Score: 1

      Pfft. Newbie. I'm still using AOL floppy disks for coasters.

      Prodigy. 5 and a quarter. What now, punk?!

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    8. Re:they have to be idiots by BoberFett · · Score: 1

      I have a CIO subscription and while they are filled to the brim with ads and "Well duh" articles, every now and then there's a gem worth reading, if only to make me think.

      I'm just starting out on my managerial career. After almost 15 years as a software guy, I'm now the IT Director at a mid-sized company. Having come from the tech side, I appreciate the articles that have to do with managing and relating to people. Now, I'm not a total geek, I do have some social skills. But every now and then I run into articles which give me a bit of insight.

  12. Re:9 Reasons Why Developers KNOW the CIO Is Cluele by jcgf · · Score: 4, Funny

    CIO: "Very funny. Now security will be escorting you out. No, we won't give you a reference."

  13. reason #1 why CIOs think programmers are clueless: by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    they think watching Star Trek is a prerequisite to being a CIO

    "Earl Grey, Hot!"

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  14. How are we supposed to read the article... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    with the ad on top of it? What a ridiculous idiot decided it was a good idea to hide the content. Why bother going to the trouble of creating content if you refuse to show it?

  15. There's a lot of truth in this by dreamchaser · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've reported directly to a couple of CIO's in a couple of different organizations. In both instances they were petty, clueless people. On the other hand, I've had customers whose CIO's were not so bad and seemed to have a good grasp. I don't think there is a one size fits all answer to this one, but it's true that quite a few of the CIO's I've interacted with have been what I would kindly call clueless idiots.

    Then again, they were smart enough to somehow get that high paying gig, so go figure. Many times though it's not what you know, it's who you know.

    1. Re:There's a lot of truth in this by ardle · · Score: 1

      I think "what you know" comes into play a bit - but in the "making impressions" field, not "management" ;-)

    2. Re:There's a lot of truth in this by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Playing devil's advocate, I'd say they were all clueless. You just had to suffer from CIOs who let any lobbyist and salesman sell them whatever snakeoil is the latest fad, while you could easily convince other CIOs that your new product is the next big thing. :)

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    3. Re:There's a lot of truth in this by ContractualObligatio · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The only reason there's "a lot of truth" to the article is that it makes points such as "clueless managers will be seen as clueless". A few comments about buzzwords aside, it's such completely generic pablum that anyone with a general prejudice against senior management of any kind, let alone CIOs, can happily confirm their own biases.

      The most interesting aspect of the article is the presumption that the CIO must have the technical respect of the application developers. This is in fact not necessary. It does however suggest that the author (and yourself, perhaps) are letting their egos judge these CIOs on criteria that is important to *him*, rather than to *them* or their job role.

    4. Re:There's a lot of truth in this by dreamchaser · · Score: 1

      Seeing as I *am* senior management so I think that I have a right to call it like I see it when it comes to my peers and immediate superiors. Save the pablum talk for newbs.

    5. Re:There's a lot of truth in this by cbreaker · · Score: 1

      It's a lot of "who you know" for sure. And most people in these positions got there by being lucky - right place, right time.

      Plenty of people go to business schools and get business degrees, but only an extremely small handful become CEO's. And yet those same CEO's seem to be able to fail everywhere and still get CEO jobs. So, somewhere along the line, they got lucky - they got promoted to CEO in some company, and once you're in "the club" - you tend to stay there.

      Same thing with CIO's - but perhaps even worse. Many CIO's are there because there was no other place to put some guy that a company wanted to promote to senior management. Many of them have ABSOLUTELY NO technical experience. But they're CIO's now, and they can go from company to company as a CIO, no matter how shitty they are. References? A company is likely to give a glowing review to a shitty CIO that they want to get rid of.

      And then there's the other side of the coin - technical people that floated up the management chain, with absolutely NO management skills. They don't know the very basics of people management and couldn't oversee a keyboard deployment project, let alone explain it to the board.

      You find some good ones, but they're far and few between.

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    6. Re:There's a lot of truth in this by ContractualObligatio · · Score: 1

      For a senior manager, you do a great impression of a insecure, whining teenager. I'm surprised to hear you might be in my earning bracket, but of course there is *some* truth to the article, so I shouldn't be surprised when a clueless manager pops up in the thread.

      But save your preening for the gullible. People with either intelligence or experience won't place much value on it. Having the right to demonstrate you're in idiot doesn't mean it's a good idea.

    7. Re:There's a lot of truth in this by BoberFett · · Score: 1

      I don't see him whining anywhere. Given your despicable of reading comprehension, I'm surprised you're employed at all.

    8. Re:There's a lot of truth in this by BoberFett · · Score: 1

      Even with the new /. preview feature my English skillz is gud.

      "Given your despicable level of reading comprehension, I'm surprised you're employed at all."

    9. Re:There's a lot of truth in this by ContractualObligatio · · Score: 1

      The GP uses a logical argument that is a cliche for a whining teenager, so you should think about your own post a little bit. To paraphrase: "I can't see something, therefore the failure is yours". See the problem? Or do you need to work on your comprehension skills?
       

    10. Re:There's a lot of truth in this by dreamchaser · · Score: 1

      It isn't really worth responding to. I was just speaking anecdotally from personal experience and certainly wasn't whining. We all have had bad management before. Thankfully my current executive management is very competent.

  16. Had a VIP of technology.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... that met 6 of the 9 items. Two years after I left he's gone, their biggest client is gone, half of the dept left or were fired, now they have no significant IT resources available to sell their clients with the rest of their business.

  17. What about ... by B3ryllium · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... "finds far too many ways to use the word 'Synergy'" - is that on the list, or anything involving corporatespeak?

    1. Re:What about ... by Esther+Schindler · · Score: 1

      No, but I think we could have a good time coming up with "words that should make you run away from a job interview." Synergy should be on the list, surely. I'd add "leverage." And "thought leader."

    2. Re:What about ... by Gazzonyx · · Score: 1

      paradigm.

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      If I mod you up, it doesn't necessarily mean I agree with what you've said, sorry.

  18. 10 (was 9) Reasons Why Devs KNOW the Clueless by tomhudson · · Score: 4, Funny

    CIO: "Very funny. Now security will be escorting you out. No, we won't give you a reference."

    10: No sense of humour.

    1. Re:10 (was 9) Reasons Why Devs KNOW the Clueless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      20: GOTO 10

  19. The Full List by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    1. The CIO is a control nut.
    2. The CIO is aloof.
    3. The CIO gulps vendor Kool-Aid.
    4. The CIO is a technical dinosaur.
    5. The CIO is ubergeeky.
    6. The CIO thinks changes can happen overnight.
    7. The CIO doesn't know the difference between resources and talent.
    8. The CIO collaborates to death.
    9. The CIO spends all of his time trying to get promoted to CEO.
  20. CIO site sucks by pooh666 · · Score: 1

    Can we just go ahead and ban this site from posts? Their gradient hurts my eyes and their articles are stupid sudo knowledge. Don't be too much of a geek, but watch Star Trek, give me a fing break.. And while we are at it, can we ban sites that pop an ad straight in your face on connect?!?!

    1. Re:CIO site sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sudo make me a pseudo sandwich
      okay

    2. Re:CIO site sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "sudo knowledge"? I'll pretend that was intentional.

    3. Re:CIO site sucks by E+IS+mC(Square) · · Score: 1

      What's wrong with sudo?

    4. Re:CIO site sucks by pooh666 · · Score: 1

      You can pretend that you are Dorthy if you like. I thought it was pretty good :)

  21. Re:9 Reasons Why Developers KNOW the CIO Is Cluele by mOdQuArK! · · Score: 1

    *followed by company collapsing as Coder was only person maintaining ancient mission-critical app...*

  22. Re:reason #1 why CIOs think programmers are cluele by jaguth · · Score: 0

    Number One, go take a number two!

  23. Well, this is timely by HangingChad · · Score: 4, Funny

    I was just offered a CIO position this am, we're negotiating the start date. Too funny.

    And, if you never watched Star Trek then you shouldn't even be a CIO.

    Whew, got that one covered. Scotty! I..need...that...data center power. And I'll preface all my emails with a Stardate.

    Stop thinking about your golf game.

    D'oh! How did he know that?

    Guess I'll find out if this is better than running my own consulting gig. All those times I shook my head wondering how people so clueless got into decision making positions, karma comes around. All those times I suggested a better way to have it ignored. Not anymore. It's an interesting feeling.

    Vendors are a problem. Relentlessly annoying. Going to have to come up with a system to keep them from bothering me all day.

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    That's our life, the big wheel of shit. - The Fat Man, Blue Tango Salvage
    1. Re:Well, this is timely by jasonmanley · · Score: 1

      Hey good luck with that! It takes a huge amount of self confidence to sit in that chair. So well done and all the best. Keep us informed as to how it goes - I for one will find it interesting to see your take on it. You never know it may inspire me to take the plunge one day. BTW do you have an MBA or something? How did you get selected - what are you bringing to the table? I ask this because I am interested in the skillset required for a CIO. There is the obvious IT skillset but then there are the PM skills, costing, vendor management, people management etc ... How do you handle conflict? How is your domain specific knowledge in the field you will be working?

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    2. Re:Well, this is timely by dbc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      My thought for the day: Your staff is there to educate you. You will be too busy to keep up, and to do all your own filtering and analysis. Make sure they know it is their job to keep you up to date on things that matter.

      My favorite meeting moment: Boss steps into my cube for 1-on-1 meeting. I fire up a demo of a new technology I think he should see. Boss: "I just got out of a 1-on-1 with the general manager! He asked me what I knew about this and if I had started a project on it! I had to tell him I had never heard of it. Why didn't you show me sooner?" Me: "You're the one that rescheduled our 1-on-1 3 times this week."

      The great thing about having a staff is the astronomical amount of information you can learn from them. Their job is to find and filter it. Your job is to make decisions with it.

    3. Re:Well, this is timely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's what you need to know:

      Scene 1. The boss comes back from his overseas trip, then checks in on the IT department.

      "You ordered all this new stuff from who? Oracle? IBM? MICRO-SOFT? Same old, same old stuff everybody else has.

      You're fired!"

      Don't let that happen to you.

    4. Re:Well, this is timely by roster238 · · Score: 1

      Congratulations on your new job. Keep this in mind as it is my mantra for a CIO - "Highly trained people can do great things with mediocre equipment but poorly trained people can't do anything with the best equipment money can buy". Step 1 to success is to raise your training budget to the level that everyone gets several classes per year.

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    5. Re:Well, this is timely by Captain+DaFt · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "Vendors are a problem. Relentlessly annoying. Going to have to come up with a system to keep them from bothering me all day."

      Do what they did at a previous job of mine appoint a "Procurement Advisor".

      Basically, when the secretary announce that "Bill from Wonderful widgets is here", Our Boss would say "Tell him the Procurement Advisor is on his way up." Then check to see who's available, and send him. (We were all briefed on the procedure, but good BSers were prime pickings for Procurement Advisor.)

      PA of the day would then meet with Bill in an available office/conference room/whatever and listen, nod, and accept freebies.
      Then when Bill tries to close the deal, say "I'm just the Procurement Advisor, I'm not authorized to make this decision, but I will pass my recommendations up the chain. Thank you for your time."

      Some weasel.. er, vendors caught on after awhile and tried to circumvent the system. They were politely, but firmly told "I'm afraid you'll have to talk to our Procurement Advisor, this is his job."

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      The U.S. really needs an English to Wisdom dictionary.
    6. Re:Well, this is timely by QuasiEvil · · Score: 1

      Let me change that slightly:
      "Highly *creative* *motivated* people can do great things with mediocre equipment but run-of-the-mill people can't do anything with the best equipment money can buy"

      Most important thing is identify your creative, smart people and nurture them - or at least don't repetitively piss them off. So many companies these days want to dumb everything down so that any generic bottom-rung programmer can be hired - and they get exactly what they pay for. Value those individuals who not only are technically proficient, but also know your business and how to align the two sides.

    7. Re:Well, this is timely by HangingChad · · Score: 1

      BTW do you have an MBA or something?

      I have graduate education but not in business.

      How did you get selected - what are you bringing to the table?

      The process started when they asked a former client of mine if they knew anyone. They're a small company that just got a big contract and need to ramp up in a hurry. There were at least two other very qualified people on the short list. I think what set me apart is I have deep roots in the tech community here. No resume slush pile for finding development talent. People I know and have worked with on other projects. They also liked my ideas about integrating (I swear I didn't use the word "leverage" once) open source technologies into the enterprise framework. I think my background with open source was the big difference. Not long ago that would have been a negative. Times change. Another point that seemed to resonate was what I call customer oriented development. Working with the people actually doing the job to shape the software product to the work flow. Not a focus group or testers but putting analysts and developers out on the job site until they can see the application from the perspective of people actually doing the work. The developers identify closely with the customer and it really smooths out staff acceptance issues.

      How do you handle conflict?

      Thunder Dome.

      How is your domain specific knowledge in the field you will be working?

      I have built applications similar to their primary product lines, so I have very specific experience and know the rules they have to follow. Even better I have a core of experienced programmers to draw on with specific industry knowledge.

      I was up front with them about my ideas for creating a "geek friendly" workplace. Foosball table, flexible hours, a free coke machine, occasional telecommute and remote work policies, training in areas of interest (not just what we're interested in), maybe some valet services for small errands during the day (I sensed some concerns about that one). And job one, day one will be tearing down the cubicles in the IT area and casting them into the dumpster hell they belong. I hate cubicles.

      And, yes, I was kidding about Thunder Dome...but only slightly. The development staff, such as it is, borders on completely dysfunctional. There will be personnel changes. The support people are pretty good but they're the dog that's been kicked too many times. Alternating between cowering and snarling. Nothing particularly exotic about their networking infrastructure and the networking guys are pretty good and OSS literate.

      Keep us informed as to how it goes

      I'll do my best but after day one...which we're still negotiating, I have some other contracts to finish up...I'll be living and breathing it. You know how it goes. Those darn vendors will be circling around like sharks.

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      That's our life, the big wheel of shit. - The Fat Man, Blue Tango Salvage
    8. Re:Well, this is timely by jasonmanley · · Score: 1

      Thanks for your response, you raise some interesting points. I've always thought that a CIO needs more business specific skills like budget forecasting, financial reporting, contract negotiation, SLA's etc. This is where it gets interesting for a techie that tries to make the leap. I've always thought that the best way to move from techie to corporate is through team lead - then Dev manager - then PM then CIO or a similar path. Do CIO's report to the board or to the CEO?

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    9. Re:Well, this is timely by cbreaker · · Score: 1

      It's very dependent on the company, all of your questions. For this particular company, especially a small one, they can/will offer a CIO title to someone that will actually be filling an IT Manager position. It sounds like they need someone to select the technical direction of the company, and implement it, but they want to show the world that they are not a small company anymore because they hired a CIO. I expect a few dozen people to be hired/promoted to the VP position soon, along with the unending e-mails to the entire company welcoming them.

      Bigger companies use CIO's differently. A CIO doesn't really HAVE to be technical, really. If they are a really good leader and manager, they can effectively do the job with no technical knowledge, and be respected by the IT staff at the same time. These people trust the people he hires to BE the technical people, and can make decisions based on his staffs' recommendations.

      And there's a LOT of ground in between. The CIO title is fairly arbitrary. I've met plenty of CIO's that only have five people on the entire IT staff, whom also sit down and manage the system or help deploy new systems. I've also met CIO's that do nothing except decide what IT happenings to report to the board, and ask for reports.

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    10. Re:Well, this is timely by HangingChad · · Score: 1

      I've always thought that a CIO needs more business specific skills like budget forecasting, financial reporting, contract negotiation, SLA's etc.

      I'll do some of that. The financial reporting is handled by the auditors, but I'll do all the IT related budgeting. A long time ago I ran a small software company, so I'm familiar (though rusty) with projections and accounting. We have a lawyer for contracts but I've taken classes in contract law. The secret is actually reading the service contracts you're supposed to sign. And thinking about how long a 24 hour turn-around can be when your business is dead in the water.

      Do CIO's report to the board or to the CEO?

      Depends on the company. I've seen the CIO report to the VP of Operations, in other organizations they're filing a VP type role and report to the president or CEO. It can depend on the type of business as well. Unless you're bigger than around 350 million in market cap the title may encompass a range of responsibilities that are split up in bigger organizations. Turf wars, rice bowls, personnel turn overs can all change how responsibilities are split up. This is a company selling a tech service and the CIO is King Geek. Everything technical from the phones to the server room to access control. The second interview of a laundry list of things everyone else wants. It's a very long list.

      Thanks for your response

      Enjoy it while it lasts. Half my contracts aren't working this week, another one is cutting back. I don't play online games so it's a rare opportunity just read and relax. Calm before the storm.

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      That's our life, the big wheel of shit. - The Fat Man, Blue Tango Salvage
    11. Re:Well, this is timely by GreggBz · · Score: 1

      Personally, I like the fake person.

      An entire virtual person. We call him Chuck. He's our Asset Manager. Chuck's mailbox fills up pretty quickly, but I have a crontab for that. Sometimes I read his messages for kicks. Weeping tails like "Boy you are hard to get a hold of, I hope this reaches you well" "Let me introduce myself, I'm from blah blah networks, we are the leading provider of used sun,cisco blah blah equipment..."

      His voice mail also gets deleted at midnight every day. Yes, Chuck still works here, sure, he's familiar with all our old Cisco inventory.. I don't know if he's at his desk, hold on let me transfer you.

    12. Re:Well, this is timely by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Vendors are a problem. Relentlessly annoying. Going to have to come up with a system to keep them from bothering me all day.

      A mixture of "we're too small a company to buy what you are selling" for the huge vendors and "what's your AIX solution" for the little ones. Gets rid of the vendors nearly ever time - probably should power up that old AIX system this year just to make sure it stil runs.

      Then again I'm no CIO and neither is anybody where I work. Plus I possibly have no Trek geek cred by giving up on it before the cute underage elf got replaced by a cuddly Borg or something.

    13. Re:Well, this is timely by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 1

      Some weasel.. er, vendors caught on after awhile and tried to circumvent the system. They were politely, but firmly told "I'm afraid you'll have to talk to our Procurement Advisor, this is his job."

      I'm curious as to why the decision was made to waste some employee's time by having him play Procurement Advisor whenever a vendor showed up at the front desk, rather than having the receptionist tell them "We accept solicitations by appointment only."

    14. Re:Well, this is timely by b4dc0d3r · · Score: 1

      I've found that people who think they are on the way to a sale give out good bits of information. You could go to 10 different insurance companies and ask the same question, and get 10 different answers. But the additional info they use to support their answer will be fairly valuable regardless of whether they believe you or not - that's what I'm working on right now. Lots of advice all over the map, but good fundamental data that I can use to figure out my own solution.

      If the person isn't taking notes and actually passing things on, then yes it will be a waste. But it could be beneficial to accept all input if you're willing to weed out the junk.

  24. CTO? by seanadams.com · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Maybe I'm just old hat, but I thought the role of a CTO was to deal with the.. uh.. technology. As in, for companies that actually develop technology. And the CIO does the IT.

    As I recall, "CIO" was popularized by the dot-com companies, and immediately thereafter, since they needed as many C**s on staff as possible to get their VC funding, decided that a CTO was needed too, even though their business was selling pimento loaves on the e-web. So then it became just a great big alphabet soup with everyone squabbling over what their all important title should be. (Yes, I have worked in such an environment more than once).

    I think the most obvious mark of a doomed startup is when people get completely hung up on establishing the org chart before the company has even made a dime in revenue. I realize it's basic human (/animal) nature to have to get the pecking order establish first and foremost. However when the title itself is the result of such as clueless and counterproductive process - and indeed, a throwback to such a clueless era as the dot com days, it's hard to see how you could expect your underlings could bestow any credibility on it.

    I realize I may have offend any CIOs in the audience, but that's not the intent. My point is not personal - what I'm saying is just that if you're good at your job and still getting no respect, perhaps a less "tainted" title is in order.

    1. Re:CTO? by IntlHarvester · · Score: 2, Informative

      As I recall, "CIO" was popularized by the dot-com companies, and immediately thereafter, since they needed as many C**s on staff as possible to get their VC funding, decided that a CTO was needed too, even though their business was selling pimento loaves on the e-web.

      Sort of. Traditionally IT reported into the CFO.

      However once the internet came about, there were all sorts of applications needed that weren't related to finance/accounting. So most major businesses (not just the dotcoms) created a CIO position at that point.

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      Business. Numbers. Money. People. Computer World.
  25. Re:9 Reasons Why Developers KNOW the CIO Is Cluele by corbettw · · Score: 5, Funny

    s/think.KNOW/gi;


    Substitution replacement not terminated at line 1.

    Not much of a fix.

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    God invented whiskey so the Irish would not rule the world.
  26. Re:9 Reasons Why Developers KNOW the CIO Is Cluele by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 2, Funny

    Which it turned out didn't matter, as the entire population was wiped out by a virus contracted from a dirty telephone.

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  27. 9 Reasons the CIO doesn't care by betelgeuse68 · · Score: 1

    1) He/she gets paid more (stupid)
    2) He/she gets paid more (a**)
    3) He/she gets paid more (repetition)
    4) He/she gets paid more (filter)
    5) He/she gets paid more (you)
    6) He/she gets paid more (guys)
    7) He/she gets paid more (are so)
    8) He/she gets paid more (clever)

    And

    9) He/she gets paid more

    1. Re:9 Reasons the CIO doesn't care by NevarMore · · Score: 1

      A woman as an executive, now whos the fool?

  28. Re:9 Reasons Why Developers KNOW the CIO Is Cluele by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    And that, for me, sums up the entire discussion.

    Slashbots hate the CIO because they all think that they are the greatest 1337est coder to have ever walked the earth. The CIO wouldn't even try to freestyle sed, because they've been around the block a few times and know it's dangerous.

  29. s/Funny/Lame/g; by seanadams.com · · Score: 1

    There, fixed it for you.

  30. Re:9 Reasons Why Developers KNOW the CIO Is Cluele by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

    too many businesses are like septic tanks - the really big chunks (the floaters) rise to the top.

    I think Officers need to eat more fiber.

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    You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike.
  31. Re:9 Reasons Why Developers KNOW the CIO Is Cluele by BoberFett · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Sounds like the CIO wasn't doing his job and implementing documentation policies to make sure there were no esoteric mission-critical functions that could only be handled by one individual on the planet.

  32. The real reason CIO's are clueless by roster238 · · Score: 1

    The reason why CIO's are normally clueless is that you have to be competent to recognize incompetence. The folks who normally select the CIO are business people who have no understanding of technology whatsoever. The are in fact "technically" incompetent. They choose the person who scares them least. They want the person with whom that can communicate without being bogged down with any complexities or difficult concepts. They will stay far away from the most knowledgeable and experienced people in favor of someone who laughs and jokes with them about the big game, a television show, or anything else they can understand. They will reject someone with the capability to understand a system from the ground up as not seeing the "big picture". This is why CEO's are often unsure that they are getting the bang for the buck that an IT department should bring to the table. It's because they pick the least qualified person to lead based on their personality rather than ability. On the positive side the CIO who wants to keep his job will find a few key people who really know what their doing and throw money at them to ensure that they don't leave. They are the folks who really run the department by proxy.

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  33. Re:9 Reasons Why Developers KNOW the CIO Is Cluele by mOdQuArK! · · Score: 1

    I'm pretty sure that an employee who used such a puerile insult either really doesn't want to work for the company any more (and wants to get fired instead of quitting for unemployment benefit reasons), or knows of a good reason why they can abuse a company executive like that & still get away with it (perhaps they know the company considers their happiness to be more important than that of the CIO's authority). (This assumes that the employee is acting rationally, of course.)

  34. Too many assumptions. by khasim · · Score: 3, Funny

    #1. That the CIO could recognize documentation if he saw it (mine cannot).

    #2. That the CIO would check that people were following the policy to maintain the documention (mine does not).

    #3. That the CIO knows what the mission-critical functions are (mine cannot tell the difference between the email app running on his workstation and NAS).

    I was told to find the "problem" on the "network" because one of our programmers was having trouble opening MS Word documents and he told the CIO who remembered that there had been a time about a week or so ago when his email app was very slow. Therefore, it must be a network problem. Go find the network problem. Stop telling him that there isn't one.

    The pay is good and I can walk to work AND there is almost no oversight. I can work on what I want the way I want. Except for the times when the CIO feels the need to exercise his authority.

    1. Re:Too many assumptions. by Hyppy · · Score: 2, Funny

      Jim? Is that you posting from the desk next to me?

  35. Rule 10: Communicate with your employees by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 1

    The article left out a rule that is bad for CIO's trying to protect their fiefdoms from competing departments, but great for the staff and makes the company more effective overall. Communicate with your employees about your plans and policies. There are few things as frustrating as spending a month satisfying a technical requirement, documenting it, integrating it into your environment, getting to the release date and finding out that the whole project it was built for was planned to be outsourced and the plan has been in the pipeline for six months. The CIO went to the meeting, argued the case without informing you as the technical expert of the information, and didn't ask for your opinion on the suggested alternatives.

    That has happened to me several times in my professional career, and it's predictable when I'll be called in from my primary tasks to clean up the integration mess for something I was not permitted to address earlier.

  36. gibbity gobbity goop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh yeah, CIO gobble gobble gip gip goop!!

  37. Chief Information Overlords by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I, for one, welcome our new Chief Information Overlords

  38. Very accurate and useful... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...even for sysadmin/engineer types, but useful to whom? The clueless CIO doesn't read this stuff. One other thing..."tap an Ethernet coaxial cable"...what decade are we in again? BTW, I feel like a complete moron; for some reason I can't post anything under my name, even though I'm logged in. Thanks, Chaz

  39. You are clueless. by elucido · · Score: 1


    If you don't have a Chief information officer who is going to handle the information security of the organization?

    Better yet, who is going to handle all the business intelligence?

  40. Are you kidding me? by thrashee · · Score: 1

    Jesus CHRIST. This many comments over "what is a CIO, anyway?" And the predictable whining from those underlings who *aren't* in officer positions. You sound EXACTLY like how enlisted men in the Army talk about officers. A code monkey has the luxury to bad mouth the CIO because he (or she) is allowed to focus myopically on the task at hand (namely, the product). Which, of course, is great. But myopic all the same. So much of business has NOTHING to do with the product, and EVERYTHING to do with the business. Go figure. It's also exactly why code monkeys would never want a CIO position to begin with.

    1. Re:Are you kidding me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > You sound EXACTLY like how enlisted men in the Army talk about officers.

      Because some officers are just like C?Os. Their career and image first, at the expense of whom they administer and represent. And even if they are a minority, they make headlines more often than the well behaving ones.

    2. Re:Are you kidding me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Posting AC from work. Don't know about the Army, but the Marines are in the same spot - mostly because YOU DONT HAVE TO BE ENLISTED TO BECOME AN OFFICER, so many officers have no idea how to 'lead' in any way shape or form, hence the griping from the ranks. If officers (CIOs) had to work in roles they are supposed to lead (manage) they would understand their jobs better. But they don't so incompetence becomes far too common. Some learn, but too many do not because there are no penalties for failure to lead (manage) - until there is catastrophic failure. If you doubt me, ask yourself this - who has ever seen an organization where the 'led' or 'managed' evaluate management, and where those evaluations are taken into account for promotion, compensation, etc.? Now, who is most qualified to evaluate the merit of a manager or leader? I propose that there is somewhere around a 50-50 split between higher-level feedback and lower-level feedback for optimizing the leadership function. Such does not exist.

      PS - Who says 'underlings' ? You must have been an officer, and I'm SURE a FINE one. Did you go to a service academy?

    3. Re:Are you kidding me? by thrashee · · Score: 0

      You have some salient points in your reply--I wholly agree that feedback from both levels should be required as an ultimate deciding factor. However, that's just not the real world, even for code monkeys. Oh sure, you get peer feedback, and if you're a pain in the ass to work with, eventually those effects will show. But ultimately it is those above you who make that call. I still have to disagree regarding incompetence, however. Being a CIO has NOTHING to do with being a programmer, and it is this sort of assumption that lends itself to such wide-spread disregard of these higher positions. Understanding from first-hand experience the roles of those under you doesn't gaurantee that you'll be a better leader, any more than it dictates that those who don't have that experience will be poor ones. I don't disagree that higher level management roles seem like a bunch of fluff from where I'm standing as a programmer--but that's because it's coming from my perspective. I have no real idea all of what my CIO puts up with between those below him and those above him, between deadlines and any other such thing. My point here is, it's far too easy to assume that executives have it easy and just sit back massaging their career. So I ask you the same question: who here has been both a programmer and a CIO? Your assumption is correct--I was an officer. And was enlisted before that. I didn't go to any academy.

  41. You need an MBA or MIS to be a CIO. by elucido · · Score: 1


    Being a CIO is just as good as being a CEO, the pay rate is in the same league. I'm trying to go to grad school so I can get an MIS degree and become a CIO myself. $90-150k a year sounds VERY good to me.

    A CIO can make enough money at one or two firms that they'd never have a reason to leave. But assuming you do have a reason to leave, there will always be startups.

    1. Re:You need an MBA or MIS to be a CIO. by Gumbercules!! · · Score: 3, Interesting

      $90k sounds good to you, as a CIO?!? Come to Western Australia (Australian Dollar btw is basically 1:1 with USD) - broom pushers on mine sites get paid more than that here.

      And I literally mean people who push brooms.

      For goodness sakes, I have a friend who's job it is to mark a dot on the ground every few metres (where to put the explosives) and he gets $120,000 a year.

      Go to uni and get a degree, they said....

    2. Re:You need an MBA or MIS to be a CIO. by cps42 · · Score: 1

      If you're in the US, particularly the pac-nw region, expecting to work at a reasonably sized company, you're in for some sticker shock. For a good *manager* in the tech industry IT Department, that would be a realistic salary. And there has to be somewhere to go for sr. managers, general managers, directors, vp, svp, before they get to C-level.

      Not to be a complete ass-hat, but get your degree, and get 10 years experience, then come back and let us know what you think about salaries. Have a better understanding of technology than an MIS degree will teach you. Go be a wrench-turner in your local computer lab, intern elsewhere, and get some hands on experience. Do some research at any of a number of employment sites. Pay your people well, and treat them better. You'll be well served, if you do succeed in your goal. Good luck.

    3. Re:You need an MBA or MIS to be a CIO. by elucido · · Score: 1

      $90k sounds good to you, as a CIO?!? Come to Western Australia (Australian Dollar btw is basically 1:1 with USD) - broom pushers on mine sites get paid more than that here.

      And I literally mean people who push brooms.

      For goodness sakes, I have a friend who's job it is to mark a dot on the ground every few metres (where to put the explosives) and he gets $120,000 a year.

      Go to uni and get a degree, they said....

      $90,000 is what CIO's make just starting out. After you have 10 years of experience you could be making $150-200k.

      But in general my goal is to surpass the 100k barrier, I'm not expecting $120k a year anytime soon, maybe in a decade or so.

    4. Re:You need an MBA or MIS to be a CIO. by Gumbercules!! · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That's the whole thing, though.

      People are making more than that for unskilled work on the mines, here. Skilled people (managers, tech's etc) are making $200,000 +

      The downside is you have to work on a minesite in the middle of nowhere, so I guess it evens out a little...

    5. Re:You need an MBA or MIS to be a CIO. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Work in IT in investment banking writing Java code. I'm 26 years old and I earn $120k + bonus now...

    6. Re:You need an MBA or MIS to be a CIO. by Lonewolf666 · · Score: 1

      For goodness sakes, I have a friend who's job it is to mark a dot on the ground every few metres (where to put the explosives) and he gets $120,000 a year.


      Interesting. Does he determine location and amount of the explosives himself? Then he is probably an expert in something like rock blasting, and gets the $120,000 for his expertise. More than most engineers are earning, but probably justified.

      Or is he just a guy with a spray can? Then he is ridiculously overpaid ;-)

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    7. Re:You need an MBA or MIS to be a CIO. by EastCoastSurfer · · Score: 1

      First, $90k-$150k is what a CIO might make at some 10 person company. The money you're talking about is something that a talented senior developer can easily be making. Additionally, an MIS degree may or may not help you become a CIO. I only know one CIO personally. He works for a private company worth ~$1B and his degree is in music.

    8. Re:You need an MBA or MIS to be a CIO. by Gumbercules!! · · Score: 2, Funny

      Nope, He marks a black paint dot every time the wheel on the end of his stick goes 'tick' (i.e. at a pre-defined distance).

      Speaking as someone who has an MBA and an Engineering degree (and doesn't work on a minesite), this is somewhat depressing.

      :-p

    9. Re:You need an MBA or MIS to be a CIO. by Gumbercules!! · · Score: 1

      I should qualify my statements because I realise I am making it sound like these people are getting paid enormous salaries for the most mundane jobs (and they are).

      In Western Australia, salaries have basically doubled in the last 4 years. I personally have seen a 120% pay increase in the last 2 years. People are earning massive amounts compared to a few short years ago. Mostly, this is because we have huge reserves of iron ore and China wants it, bad.

      However, it's not without downside.

      These guys, up on mine sites, can easily make $150,000 a year, working 3 weeks on, 1 week off (so they're actually getting paid $150,000 for 9 months work). But that's 3 weeks out of every 4 away from their families.

      Here's another catch. Some of these people can be paying up to $2,000 a week rent. Some of them are living in sea-tainers on the site, and still paying $1,000 a week rent. The companies are getting a lot of that money back off them, in other ways. Of course, for the lucky ones who get rent as part of their package - well they're paying off their mortgage in a few years.

      Housing prices have also doubled in the cities, because so many people have more money then they know what to do with. Petrol prices have also doubled and no one seems to care.

      So the poor bastards who haven't had phenomenal pay rises in the last few years are dead in the water. The average public servant cannot get a home loan, any longer for example and even rent is becoming too much for the lower income earners.

      The big disappointment is that in a society where a few short years ago $50kpa was reasonable, suddenly that's poverty and lots of people are going to suffer.

    10. Re:You need an MBA or MIS to be a CIO. by twiddlingbits · · Score: 1

      I've got 25 yrs experience, and I've been everything from a develop to manager, project manager of 50 ppl and I've gone BACK to tech as an IT Architect/Consultant for one of the three letter Big IT firms. I make close to 150K and I'm in the Southwest. I wouldn't take the crap a CIO has to take for the money they get paid if your data is accurate. I DO have an MBA but I'm pretty sure I didn't take the BS101 class.

    11. Re:You need an MBA or MIS to be a CIO. by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      $90,000 is what CIO's make just starting out.

      Except you don't start out as CIO. Unless your daddy happens to be the CEO or CFO, in which case you'd get considerably more than $90k.

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    12. Re:You need an MBA or MIS to be a CIO. by morcego · · Score: 1

      I have to agree with our Australian friend here. You have no idea on pay scales.

      Even 200k/year is low for a CIO, unless you are talking about a 3-men company.

      When someone reaches a CIO position, he would have raised through the management ranks. And even for a medium company, 100k/year is very low for an IT manager.

      No one starts out as a CIO.

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    13. Re:You need an MBA or MIS to be a CIO. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Out of curiosity, how's the cost of living where you are? Where I am, $40k / year is plenty for a nice house and car, having plenty of money to spend on the latest gadgets, and investing a chunk into your retirement. $90k / year will practically get you a mansion, a few shiny sports cars, and a massive HDTV in every room. At $120k / year, you could work 20 years and then retire a wealthy man, if you're smart with your investments.

    14. Re:You need an MBA or MIS to be a CIO. by Anarke_Incarnate · · Score: 1

      I hate to break it to you, but CIOs make a ton more than that. PROGRAMMERS, ADMINISTRATORS AND STORAGE GUYS make $90-150K a year here. Any CXO not making at LEAST $225K/yr is easily laughable. My manager's boss is making ~$200K/yr.

    15. Re:You need an MBA or MIS to be a CIO. by cps42 · · Score: 1

      Heh. I don't want to be that far away from the technology, where all the fun is had, even for a significant pay jump. As an NE2-NE3, I'm in the pay range that was mentioned in the post I was replying to, and my manager makes more than me, and thats all I was trying to point out. 150k for an Architect sounds like a reasonable amount. But for a C?O -- it is probably a little low.

      OTOH, I probably wouldn't be a very good consultant either, I hate living out of a suitcase at the clients whim. I travel enough as it is.

    16. Re:You need an MBA or MIS to be a CIO. by jayminer · · Score: 1

      Which country? I do exactly the same job in the exact same field as you, am also 26, hold two BS degrees (CS and IT) and an MIS masters degree, work as a software architect in a mission critical environment.. $37K is what I earn (NET) and is considered a decent payment.

      fsck..

    17. Re:You need an MBA or MIS to be a CIO. by oatworm · · Score: 1

      Ah - you must be in the Midwest. On the coasts, $40k/year is plenty for a small apartment and used Geo Metro, having plenty of money to spend on the latest used gadgets at the MetroPawn, and investing a chunk of McDonalds into your belly. $90k/year is plenty to bury yourself into debt on a small house, a few rusted '85 Supras, and a massive 20" CRT TV in every room. At $120k/year, you could work 30 years and then finally finish paying off your house.

    18. Re:You need an MBA or MIS to be a CIO. by elucido · · Score: 1

      Heh. I don't want to be that far away from the technology, where all the fun is had, even for a significant pay jump. As an NE2-NE3, I'm in the pay range that was mentioned in the post I was replying to, and my manager makes more than me, and thats all I was trying to point out. 150k for an Architect sounds like a reasonable amount. But for a C?O -- it is probably a little low.

      OTOH, I probably wouldn't be a very good consultant either, I hate living out of a suitcase at the clients whim. I travel enough as it is.

      See I am planning on being a CIO or a consultant.
      The pay is great for either of those jobs.

      But you make a good point, unless you have a wife and kids to take care of, why sacrifice for higher pay?

  42. CIO of a tech company vs CIO of a non-tech company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In my experiences these are very very different. IF Google or Sun has a CIO, I expect them to know tech. If Starbucks has a CIO, I expect them to know business and have a right-hand man/woman for the real tech.

    Our non-tech (but fortune 50 company) has a 60-year old female CIO who cannot tell a monitor from a rack-mount server. However, I do believe she speaks in international language of $$$.

  43. Your CIO is clueless if .... by devloop · · Score: 5, Funny

    Top three signs:

    1 - CIO reads magazine articles equating "Ruby on Rails" and "multicore programming" in the same sentence,
            then proceeds to plan new projects with a vision towards "massively distributed MVC, ROR, multicore Web 2.0 social applications",
            (code word for slow ruby websites that seem developed by drunken monkeys).

    2 - Follows advice regarding "Your ability to talk tech will go a long way to earning the respect of application development professionals."
            Usually developers have close to zero tolerance for the inane utterances ("talking tech") of managerial staff,
            or as it is call in technical terms, "bullsh!t".

    3 - Reads articles that use dehumanizing terms to refer to technical staff ("resources"),
            then proceeds to use them to form akward "complimentary" sentences:
            "Bob, you are by far my most leveraged, hyper-synergic resource".

    - Bonus: CIO fires the company's most experienced engineers, hires an all-Kazakhstani team,
            which after six months of working without a formal design produces hundreds of slideshows
            that are demoed to customers on MacOSX, extra points if shown on spanking new MacBook Airs.

  44. Controlling == no communication skills by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From TFA...If you want to be a Controller then get a job in the accounting department. Okay, so maybe you are not a certifiable control nut. Maybe it is just a strategy you are employing because your direct reports can't get the job done. If this is the case, then control is not the solution.

    Most control nuts won't admit they are control nuts.

    Control nuts have communication and trust issues. Typical CIO thought process: "It MUST be someone else's problem when things go wrong, right? I know...instead of communicate effectively, I'll just micro-manage the shit out of all of you because even though I hired some of you, I don't trust any of you to do even the simplest tasks!

    TFA, cont'd... Have the courage to replace those managers that aren't strong. Control won't work in the long run anyway.

    Neither will continuously firing others for your lack of communication skills.

    Get your s#!t together and think about what you want to execute strategically, not why struts XML config files work better than annotated class files or why you think it's fine that each intranet departmental site doesn't need a consistent navigation.
     
    A CIO's job: If it has a convincing, positive ROI, let it happen. Otherwise, don't. That's a CIO's job.

  45. Is cio.com finally getting clued? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I used to work indirectly for a well known CIO of a large computer company that pretty much violated all of these rules. My favorite was how he loved to show how technical he was by showing how he could move around in vi without using cursor keys. Of course, now he's now the CEO of a spinoff of this major computer company.

    Bonus points: He has been interviewed by CIO as being one of the visionary people in the field ...

    So CIO magazine... where are the interviews with the people who do exhibit these traits?

    This should really be part of their interview process like the final questions on The Actor's Studio. I bet James Lipton would even do it for you.

  46. I couldn't tell you who that is by gelfling · · Score: 1

    And I work for a company that has a nearly 10 billion dollar IT budget. I'm sure we have a CIO but god only knows who that person is, where they are located or even what their actual responsibilities are. I would have to guess that most of that person's job consists of stepping on the heads of the people who report to them, putting their picture on monthly epistles to strategize the new paradigm and to exhort us to work harder for less money lest we all wind up unemployed or in Bangalore.

  47. Re:9 Reasons Why Developers KNOW the CIO Is Cluele by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 1

    I'm 6'5" (on the rare occasions I stand) and I am not in management, you insensitive clod!

  48. Where I worked at - CIO was a control freak by COredneck · · Score: 4, Interesting
    First, I don't want to say to much on the location. It was a Civilian Agency/Research Facility located within an Air Force Base in Colorado's front range. The CIO of the facility has a Ph.D. also graduated from West Point and retired as an Army Colonel. He was considered a "ring knocker".

    When he took over when he was an Army Colonel, he cracked down on various items. When he retired from the Army, a slot was made for him to remain there. Below are the list of various items he did:
    • Implemented a strict dress code including NO casual Fridays and no blue jeans, period rule
    • Cracked down on hours you put in where they wanted you to be there basically from 8 to 5 and to make it difficult to work alternative hours
    • Implemented strict rules on your desktop PC such as not allowing for alternative web browsers like Firefox. You were required to use Internet Explorer. Also, you could not change the settings either such as being able to block pop-up ads
    • Implemented a highway traffic safety program where there is cooperation between the local police and the facility. If you get stopped for speeding going to/from work, you are reported to your workplace. Within several days of getting stopped, you get an e-mail directing you to report to the Deputy Program Manager's office to explain yourself.

    On the dress code aspect, when he took over as colonel, he made an example out of a couple of Sys Admins when they showed to a meeting in blue jeans and sandals. He had them fired on the spot and escorted of the premises and off the base. A friend who worked there prior to when he showed up mentioned the place was fun to work at. When he did nights and weekends, they didn't care if you showed up dressed for comfort. When the colonel showed up that changed ! He also took away the traditional Hawaiian Shirt Friday as well. He also cracked down on people who left early on Friday, another "tradition" in the DoD contracting world.

    When the colonel took over, he didn't consider the culture of the place at the time plus the culture of Colorado which is considered very casual like in dress. One thing not mentioned until now, his additional degrees are from East Coast schools like U. of Virginia. With formal rules being more important than getting the job done, the dynamic changed for the worst. I really don't to go back to that facility as long as he is there. I still keep in contact with some people who still work there. One day, there was a water problem where all the bathrooms were shutdown but people were told they could NOT leave for home early and to keep working. The basement of the building has been converted to "cube farms" from basically storage. One thing not included was more bathrooms. Even for the men you have to wait 5 or 10 minutes for a toilet stall to open up. A lot of times there are several people waiting for each stall. Complaints have so far been ignored.

  49. CIO.com is clueless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, that article just proved that CIO.com is clueless.

  50. Wow, 6 out of 9 traits... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    apply to this jackass.

  51. Don't ever lose your sense of humor, man! by Gazzonyx · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No. Thunderdome is the correct response. Seriously. Wii-boxing. Geek game showdown. No physical contact, and an enjoyable way for everyone else to ease the tension that conflict can bring. Don't tell them about it... just keep a console around and when the opportunity is right, take each of them under an arm and lead them off. If you do it right and pull it off, it's one of those "... hey, did you hear about so and so... he freakin' made them Wii Box!" stories that will precede you where ever you go.

    You won't even have to break the ice the first time you meet a client. It sounds nuts, but sane solutions don't solve problems and get great results. They become political and accounting decisions if left rational for too long. As for the vendors, make them fear you by telling them to have free hardware dropped off to your tech guys to play with before you even consider making a purchasing decision. After all, if this wacky device is nearly as great as they say, the geeks'll love it! Also, Cisco and Sun were kind enough to give you a full rack to play with for a few months. ;) If they call your bluff, let the geeks eat 'em alive with technical questions like, "so, is your LDAP backend X500 DIT compliant? We need it to work with our hacked together NIS/perl-fu directory. Here, we can show you the code!"

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    1. Re:Don't ever lose your sense of humor, man! by Jellybob · · Score: 1

      If they call your bluff, let the geeks eat 'em alive with technical questions


      That's always good fun - we had a sales call from a company trying to sell some "job scheduling" software to us, and by the end of the call there were fifteen people listening in on the speakerphone, throwing questions for the sales guy to the person doing the talking.

      "Is that cron compatiable?"
      "What about at jobs, we have some of those as well?"

      Sadly I was on holiday the day we scheduled them to come in "for a chat" about their product. Would have loved to see the look on their sales guy's face.

  52. I can fully relate to this! by cerberusss · · Score: 3, Informative

    EVERY one of these damn reasons applies to my CIO. And I am my own one-man company!

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  53. Suity? by KlaymenDK · · Score: 1

    balance between being "geeky" and being ... umm ... what's the term for someone who hangs out with suits?

    That would be a Suit (nobody else would hang out with them, right?), which would make him what, suity? What a ridiculous word -- so quite appropriate.

    I'll enter it in the dictionary. :)

    1. Re:Suity? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that'd suit well.

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  54. Real reason why the CIO is clueless by brennz · · Score: 1

    It is hard to be relevant when your job consists of begging for scraps from the CFO.

  55. That seems pretty harsh by Moraelin · · Score: 1

    That seems pretty harsh judgment, considering that it's not a title he thought up personally. Someone else did. So you're telling me _you_ would refuse a promotion, just because the title sounds retarded? In a job you'd presumably do if it were named differently? That sounds kind of shallow.

    A name is just a name. It has only as much meaning as is assigned to it. You could name the Sun server admin, say, "High Priest of the Sun", and he'll still be an admin.

    Getting hung up about just a name is just as silly in either direction. Either seeking some bullshit-bingo title, or having some silly phobia about it.

    Yes, the MBA world does play bullshit bingo, and tries to come up with funky meaningless words and expressions to seem like they too have their jargon. But you have to realize that some people are as much on the wrong end of it as you are. The CxO thing is so established by now, it would take a nuke to dislodge it. You might get away with changing it if you're the CEO, but even then everyone else would still talk about your CxO. Might as well just go with the flow and treat it as any other word.

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  56. The problem is "officer" by Moraelin · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Well, the problem is that those positions even got to be called "officer" in the first place. All of them.

    "Officer" used to mean, you know, army or navy. Even using it for the police is as recent as the end of the 19'th century, though it could be argued as a continuation from the times when the city guards acted as both police and garrison. Even the use for someone who holds an office of the state, was originally reserved for judges, but, anyway, the key words were: of the state. You know, someone acting in an official government job.

    So at the very least I have to wonder about the original shallow souls who thought they need an even funkier title.

    Now I won't blame the ones who just get such a stupid title thrust upon them; after all, they're the victims there. But I have to wonder about the original ones who just had to invent some new titles for themselves.

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    1. Re:The problem is "officer" by Free+the+Cowards · · Score: 1

      Oh right, forget about corruption, the old-boys network, golden parachutes, lack of accountability, golden parachutes, short-term thinking, insider trading, and all the rest. The real problem is some linguistic foible that hasn't mattered for over a century!

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  57. From my experience... by Moraelin · · Score: 5, Interesting

    From my experience, when someone seems clueless or illogical, it's just that they're not saying which problem they're really trying to solve.

    E.g., if I were to come and say that my team needs a pony, and it would be great for team morale, and double as company car too, you might think, "WTF? Is he that retarded? Who rides a pony through town to a meeting with the customers?" The issue is that I'm not solving the problem I'm claiming to. The real problem might be that my daughter wants a pony, and I figure, maybe the company can pay for it. But of course, now I can't go to a management meeting and say, "I want the company to buy my daughter a pony." So now I'll work backwards from the solution I wish ("the company should buy a pony that I can use") to an acceptable problem it would solve (e.g., "we need environmentally friendly transportation!") And maybe I already have a second phase of that plan in mind, but I'm not telling it to you yet, either.

    The same applies to a lot of seemingly retarded managers. It may be just that they're not solving the problem you think, or that their job title says they should solve.

    E.g., if he comes up with a vision towards "massively distributed MVC, ROR, multicore Web 2.0 social applications", maybe really he's just trying to play bullshit bingo with the CEO or the investors. You're not the one he's trying to impress, the guy signing his paycheck is.

    Or maybe he's got a second phase in mind too, like that next he'll need more hardware for that, and he's already bribed by some vendor. Or that he already knows which graphics company he wants to outsource some of that to and what bribe he'll get.

    Literally, I've seen one project where their visionary wanted to have at least 1MB graphics in an applet, and that was back in the dialup and ISDN days, just because his best buddy had a graphics design company, and he wanted to outsource those graphics to that. Corruption by any other name, but there you go.

    Or maybe he just wants more budget and a bigger team under him, because that raises his perceived status and importance.

    Or maybe he just wants to be able to keep the current team, in the face of some retarded budget allocation which would otherwise have him fire everyone now because there are no projects in the pipeline for July, only to re-hire them in August when the next projects kick in. So he's creating some grand task as some make-work solution.

    Or maybe he's just strategically gaming the budget rules in advance. In a lot of places they have retarded processes like that if you didn't use all your budget this year, you get a budget cut next year. So people end up turning the heating on in March, because the winter was mild and otherwise they'd get no heating budget next year, when maybe the winter will be worse. Same here. You don't really know what you'll have to do next year, so you essentially have to burn some money in advance to be sure you'll get a budget for it next year. A case of "massively distributed MVC, ROR, multicore Web 2.0 social applications" is something so overachieving and nebulous that it can burn any amount of money you want it to burn.

    Etc.

    Firing everyone competent and hiring the cheapest burger flippers, well, again I've seen it done for strategic reasons.

    E.g., because with the same budget you can have more people under you, which raises your own status. And some places also have rules for what your job title and/or salary can be, based on the number of people under you. Ok, it wasn't at CEO level, but I do know someone who raised from a minor team leader to mid-level manager just by having his team inflate like a blowfish. He kept hiring incompetents and still needing more... and got rewarded for it.

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    1. Re:From my experience... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (anon so I don't blow up the modding I've done here)

      Sir, I am interested in your ideas and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

    2. Re:From my experience... by nyctopterus · · Score: 3, Informative

      I have no mod points, but that is one of the most insightful (you hear that mods, INSIGHTFUL) comments I've seen on slashdot. It applies to an awful lot of human interactions.

    3. Re:From my experience... by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      You could be right. On the other hand, considering Occam's razor and all that, maybe it's just that they really *are* clueless. If you're very lucky, they're clueless but unaware of it.

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    4. Re:From my experience... by Moraelin · · Score: 1

      First of all, thanks for that link. I had observed something vaguely similar some years ago, it's very nice to know that someone actually made a study to prove it and put it in better words than I did. Cheers.

      That said, oh, of course they can be incompetent or stupid too.

      I still find that if they just operate on wrong data, or over-estimate their knowledge, you can still follow the logic. E.g., let's say I were the stupid PHB and went, "GPUs are faster than CPUs nowadays, and can do the same things anyway, so we'll build our web servers with quad SLI 9800GX2 graphics cards", it's clueless, of course, but you can still recognize a major and minor premise and the conclusion, and the logic in there is solid. There's an implied extra step in there, but even that doesn't contain any fundamental flaw. It's one of the premises that's false, but the logic from there is solid. And if nothing else is in the way, you can simply point out the flawed premise.

      The problem I was describing, and probably not well enough, is when the logic itself seems broken and/or one resists any attempts to attack a premise, or introduces other bogus premises and logical fallacies that arrive suspiciously at the same conclusion. That's what tells me that they decided the solution before building a flawed path to it.

      Basically I'll admit that there are very stupid people and very smart people, and some six billion shades in between. But very few people are as ilogical as they sometimes seem. Anyone over an IQ of, say, 70, should be capable of following an elementary logic chain forwards. If they were physiologically incapable of elementary logical inferences and solving basic problems, they'd never learn to unzip their pants before they piss. There are people like that. We call them retards. They don't end up CIOs. Everyone else has no trouble with following logic forwards.

      It's when they attempt to build a chain backwards from a pre-decided conclusion, that the effects are amplified dramatically. Someone very very smart will explore more of that tree of possible ways to his solution, and find some chain that you can nod through on your way to his/her conclusion. Someone dumb, well, will come up with a blatantly flawed one.

      Also note that when I'm saying they're solving a different problem, or they have a different agenda, I don't necessarily mean some complex Pinky-and-The-Brain master-plan. It can be something as simple as "I want to sound smart", or "I'm insecure and I want to show someone who's the boss", or "I want a promotion", "I have to take _some_ bold visionary-like decision, or the CEO will start wondering why he hired me." They too can at least throw extra constraints and hurdles into the official problem, and turn it into something slightly different than the one he's officially solving.

      E.g., if someone's agenda is simply, "I have to take _some_ bold visionary-like decision, or the CEO will start wondering why he hired me," then he _has_ to come up with something overblown like the ""massively distributed MVC, ROR, multicore Web 2.0 social applications"" in the original poster's example, because that's the kind of solution that really fits that secret problem. And will resist any objections because your solution doesn't solve _his_ problem.

      Of course, seen from outside, it's still clueless anyway. And some Dunning-Kruger effect (as per your link) may be involved too. In fact, it probably works the same in both directions, not just when using the logic forwards. Someone over-estimating their expertise, will fuck-up when working backwards from a pre-decided conclusion too, and come up with an even more hare-brained justification.

      I guess the two effects are really orthogonal.

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    5. Re:From my experience... by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      I understand what you're saying about the hidden agendas. I have to deal with them all the time. We have some users who make unrealistic demands and who actively go out of their way - withholding information, giving false information - to make life difficult. Why would they do this if (as some naively believe) their goal is to run their business better? Surely they should help us to help them?

      Their underlying goal is that this country office wants their own local development team. The more incompetent they can make central services look, the more chance they have of justifying that to HQ. They are convinced it would be cheaper, despite the fact that they're effectively being subsidised by the other units (that country pays 20% of the costs, but takes up 60% of our time).

      Recently, as a result of a HQ decision we had to change banks, hence all the interfaces had to change too. They (the troublesome office) decided they didn't want to do that, and sent us specs for a different interface for a different bank. This one already existed in our system. Still, they insisted we had to change it - even though it already matched the specs given. No amount of conference calls would convince them otherwise. After much finger pointing they got their way and were allowed to have a local developer - for that specific purpose - who created something completely different and totally out of remit.

      No doubt they thought they'd been really smart with this ploy. Not really - more like they thought everyone else stupid. They were wrong.

      Sorry if that turned into a rant and/or war story, what I'm saying is it's not so hard to see through the smokescreen if you apply a bit of critical thinking.

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    6. Re:From my experience... by Stinking+Pig · · Score: 1

      Sir, you restore my hope in Slashdot and bring a little tear to my eye. Well-said.

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  58. Re:9 Reasons Why Developers KNOW the CIO Is Cluele by tomhudson · · Score: 1

    [X] Sorry for the typo. I was doing other stuff at the same time ... it's a holiday up here in Canuckistan ...

    Also, another missing option: 11. "The solution is $INSERT_BUZZWORD" ... people seem to think that xml (to pick just one example) is like magic pixie dust, is faster than a speeding binary transfer, can leap over tall databases in a single bound, etc., when in some situations it's just kryptonite.

  59. CIO of the year by RicRoc · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Wow, I really like this post. You hit the nail on the head: The CIO is absolutey not clueless, he has some other objective in mind that he keeps secret. My CIO just got voted "CIO of the year" and we all went "WTF!?" because he seems so clueless. Thinkning about it (and having your post help) he just knows how to be a "good CIO". It's a game I don't think I want to play (nor am I good at it), but the pay is good. I think I'll stay with what I enjoy, in the trenches.

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    1. Re:CIO of the year by edittard · · Score: 3, Funny

      My CIO just got voted "CIO of the year" and we all went "WTF!?" because he seems so clueless.

      Voted by whom? Other CIOs, perchance?

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  60. Who wants to work in a mine? by elucido · · Score: 1


    I don't want to work in a mine anymore than I want to work in a nuclear power facility or a top secret biological weapons lab.

    1. Re:Who wants to work in a mine? by Project2501a · · Score: 3, Funny

      and lose your chance to recieve a shiny orange crowbar and maybe some cake? NOWAI!

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  61. a cio change by nimbius · · Score: 0

    it seemed like everyone reported to our last CIO. no one liked her, the ideas from her pie hole were awful, and she was firing the people she didnt like left and right. final solution, after losing our linux lead, two tech managers, and watching her fire half the helpdesk, we fired her 1 week before christmas. of course we got a new guy who actually told us in a meeting he was a huge fan of outsourcing IT to leverage its true strengths. the CIO is a great position, every company should have one at their shareholder meetings...but then promptly return it to the supply closet.

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  62. icon by grizdog · · Score: 1

    Interesting that /. doesn't have an icon for this one. How about a picture of Cowboy Neal?

  63. What a great idea by HangingChad · · Score: 1

    Seriously. Wii-boxing. Geek game showdown.Seriously. Wii-boxing. Geek game showdown.

    What a clever idea.

    No physical contact, and an enjoyable way for everyone else to ease the tension that conflict can bring.

    I like it. A little theatrical but that can be fun if it doesn't get out of hand. I wonder if any other organizations are doing anything like that? Another company I could point to as an example.

    It also helps justify the big screen TV, which is already in the budget. Do things like get pay-per-view during March Madness and order in wings and pizza. I'd rather have people distracted but there instead of skipping out of work to go watch the game somewhere. Or have staff fighting over telecommute days because of an event on TV. May have to ease into some of these ideas. But if I'm going to run a boiler room and push tough deadlines, I'm going to do everything I can to make it a velvet boiler room. I've worked in some sterile, oppressive places and I'm determined to be different...or at least try. It may be Polyanna but I can always go back to consulting.

    Looks like day one may be toward the end of the month, so I have three more weeks to soak up inspiration. I'm a little surprised at the supportive comments and thoughtful suggestions from some of the /. crowd. I expected more "Ha-Ha! Good luck, buddy!" Or does that come later when I face plant? I just want you guys to know I'm really listening.

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    1. Re:What a great idea by Gazzonyx · · Score: 1

      Erm, I can't tell you another company that does the wii-boxing thing. It was an ironic musing of a story I heard from a friend about his grandfather. Apparently the grandfather went to school in a single room schoolhouse and the teacher had an 'old skool' approach to conflicts between students; take them out back and give 'em each boxing gloves to go at it. I guess after that, the matter was considered settled. The high tech juxtaposition in my mind was two geeks duking it out, then gaming it out, and then, wii boxing! I snickered and then realized it could work.

      I'm adding you to my friend list; keep me updated on how things are working out!

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  64. To thine own self...? by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

    They ended with to thine own self be true. Maybe they should replace "true" with "all sufficient". Then we'd know that they're trolling!

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  65. Competency by kcdoodle · · Score: 1

    This is true of all people, not just CIOs.

    Someone else far more competent than me made this observation::: The truly incompetent do not know what competency is, and often they think they are the only competent person around.

    People who are competent realize they do not know everything, and therefore, sometimes appear to be less competent than others.

    Then the truly incompetent end up feeling that everyone else is against them and that everyone else is really stupid. When if fact, that is not usually the case.

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  66. Re:9 Reasons Why Developers KNOW the CIO Is Cluele by halcyon1234 · · Score: 1

    It must have been written by a CIO.

  67. Actually, I find that worse. Sorry. by Moraelin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Actually, no offense, but I found that companion article to be far worse advice. Unless it was meant to be just funny mis-advice, and the joke went right over my head.

    E.g., trusting developers and not managing them too much... Well, there's more than one kind of person. In fact, there's a whole continuum of them. At one end, there _are_ indeed people who are perfectly capable of managing themselves and who can be given the big picture and left to their own devices to finish that big chunk. At the other end, there are people who really need to be coaxed to do anything whatsoever.

    As an example of the latter extreme, my ex-coleague Wally once asked for some weeks to estimate the effort to fix a trivial bug. You read it right: not time to actually fix it, but that much time to estimate how much time he'd need to fix it. He actually got it, btw. Sometimes just trusting every developer is a bad idea.

    Almost all of us think we're at the former end of the spectrum, so, yes, if you ask us, every single one will say he's perfectly capable of managing himself and needs no stinking manager checking on his progress. Reality is often a whole other thing.

    The right thing to do, and at that the _hard_ thing, is recognizing the right amount of management each one needs. (And if you're willing to dedicate more effort on your part to coax someone, than it would be to fire him and write the damn module yourself, I guess.) Applying the wrong amount in either direction can get bad results fast.

    But at the very least, the best advice I've ever read on the topic, is, "beware the guy in the room." You know, the idea that we have this super-programmer in his own little (metaphorical) room, we're leaving him to his own devices, noone knows what he's doing, but we're confident that at the exact deadline he'll come out screaming "Eureka!" and they all lived happily ever after. Even for the guys who are capable of managing themselves and usually deliver results, do have some indication of progress being made and do track it. That way at least you'll know if he hit some hurdle right before the deadline and is too proud to ask for help.

    The thing about needing to be shielded from the rest of the company... well, we would indeed very much like to be left alone with the computer and to ignore the rest of the humanity, not just the rest of the company. Whether that's also good for business, that's a whole other issue. Being isolated in your own ivory tower can lead to some very bad design decisions, based on what you _think_ the outside world needs. Plus, it's good for the morale to know at least that someone else in the company is using our programs, and we're not just moving a pile of sand from here to there, for no other purpose than to stay busy.

    So basically do filter out the unneeded crap and politics, but make sure not to filter out stuff that is actually needed for those guys to understand what they're doing and why.

    And finally, ok, I know that an analogy isn't supposed to be 100% equivalent to the thing it represents. But the analogy with the cat, much as I do like cats, is IMHO rather mis-leading. You don't expect the cat to do anything whatsoever, except keep you company and not damage your furniture. That's it. You just want it to like you, basically. If you need employees which just like you and don't do outright damage, yeah, take the cat analogy. If you need employees which actually finish a task by a deadline, you might need a bit more effort.

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    1. Re:Actually, I find that worse. Sorry. by Esther+Schindler · · Score: 1

      As I remarked in the comments to that article, there isn't one right answer to "how to manage and motivate developers" any more than there's only one right way to write an application. People, skills and situations differ; in fact, I worry more about people who'd think that all these things apply every time and in every scenario.

      In other words, the article represents only what it says it does: developers' own answers to "what should the boss know about motivating me." Unlike the other articles in that "getting clueful" series (like what the CIO should know about Agile or telecommuting) , which does not require introspection... well, this one requires that someone be aware of what motivates them and the feeling of Being Managed Well. One of my first bosses was smart enough to recognize that if he let me talk long enough about how I couldn't possibly solve this coding problem, I'd eventually explain to him how I could; but I'd never have said at the time, "A good manager will shut up and let me talk." I think people notice such things by their absence than by their presence.

      So I don't expect that developers always know the right way to manage them. I think that managers should be aware of how the developers see it (for compassion reasons if nothing else--we all want to believe our opinions matter)... but the boss still does have to make the right decision.

      The thing with the cat is just funny. ("Dogs come when they're called; cats take a message and get back to you later."--Mary Bly)

  68. I said just starting out. by elucido · · Score: 1

    I did not say a CIO with 5-10 years experience will be making $90k. I'm saying the CIO at the startup will be making $90k.

    You have to start somewhere, and nobody is going to just let you be a CIO and pay you $150k fresh out of university. You have to spend start at 90k and work your way up to 150k.

    http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Chief_Information_Officer_(CIO)/Salary/by_City

    The good news is, if you get your MIS masters, then you'll have a shot at becoming a CIO, and depending on where you work will decide how much you make.

    You probably wont be working for a profitable corporation if you just are starting out, and in fact you probably wont be the CIO at all, you'll be an officer of some sort. In 5 years then you can be the CIO, and 5 years after that you can expect to be making over 150k.

    The payscale site says the average CIO makes $150k.

    1. Re:I said just starting out. by Anarke_Incarnate · · Score: 1

      Lets try this again. Nobody is going to let you be a CIO or a CXO fresh out of college/university. You will not start at $90K even out of school. You WILL work for it. Anybody who hires a fresh graduate to be a CIO deserves the fallout they get.

    2. Re:I said just starting out. by elucido · · Score: 1

      Lets try this again. Nobody is going to let you be a CIO or a CXO fresh out of college/university. You will not start at $90K even out of school. You WILL work for it. Anybody who hires a fresh graduate to be a CIO deserves the fallout they get.

      A startup will. Startups don't have the money to pay for an experienced CIO and probably wouldn't want to do that anyway since they'd not be able to trust the experienced CIO.

      An inexperienced CEO is better off with an inexperienced CIO.

    3. Re:I said just starting out. by Hognoxious · · Score: 1
      A startup doesn't have a CIO, it has a network monkey. And no, the temp who handles the petty cash isn't the CFO either, not a proper one.

      An inexperienced CEO is better off with an inexperienced CIO.

      The Guinness book of records called. Something about "stupidest thing ever posted on teh intarwebzs".

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  69. What would you recommend? by elucido · · Score: 1

    I've got 25 yrs experience, and I've been everything from a develop to manager, project manager of 50 ppl and I've gone BACK to tech as an IT Architect/Consultant for one of the three letter Big IT firms. I make close to 150K and I'm in the Southwest. I wouldn't take the crap a CIO has to take for the money they get paid if your data is accurate. I DO have an MBA but I'm pretty sure I didn't take the BS101 class.

    What exactly is the BS a CIO has to take? I am planning on being a CIO. What exactly pays as well as the CIO but with less BS? I plan on getting an MIS masters degree. I lack experience, thats my weakness.

    1. Re:What would you recommend? by twiddlingbits · · Score: 1

      MS isn't the ticket to punch, MBA is and I found my MBA from a top20 school to be very easy. Easier by far than my undergrad CS degree!! The BS they have to take is from the CEO who wants them to increase profits and stock price via technology and the CFO who wants them to do it for nothing, the IT Manager who can't run a effective operation because he has either no real skills or no vision or if he has those he has no budget. Dealing with Vendors is also a big PITA, as buying equipment or signing a services contract means you have to deal with the company legal team (lawyers). And dealing with HR to write job descriptions and find good people. Some of this you can delegate but not always. When you can't get the results the CEO wants with the budget the CFO gave you in the time they unrealitically expect you get fired. If you were smart you have a nice severance written into your contract, if not you went from 200K to Zero overnight.

    2. Re:What would you recommend? by elucido · · Score: 1

      MS isn't the ticket to punch, MBA is and I found my MBA from a top20 school to be very easy. Easier by far than my undergrad CS degree!!

      The BS they have to take is from the CEO who wants them to increase profits and stock price via technology and the CFO who wants them to do it for nothing, the IT Manager who can't run a effective operation because he has either no real skills or no vision or if he has those he has no budget. Dealing with Vendors is also a big PITA, as buying equipment or signing a services contract means you have to deal with the company legal team (lawyers). And dealing with HR to write job descriptions and find good people. Some of this you can delegate but not always.

      When you can't get the results the CEO wants with the budget the CFO gave you in the time they unrealitically expect you get fired. If you were smart you have a nice severance written into your contract, if not you went from 200K to Zero overnight.

      MS isn't the ticket to punch, MBA is and I found my MBA from a top20 school to be very easy. Easier by far than my undergrad CS degree!!

      The BS they have to take is from the CEO who wants them to increase profits and stock price via technology and the CFO who wants them to do it for nothing, the IT Manager who can't run a effective operation because he has either no real skills or no vision or if he has those he has no budget. Dealing with Vendors is also a big PITA, as buying equipment or signing a services contract means you have to deal with the company legal team (lawyers). And dealing with HR to write job descriptions and find good people. Some of this you can delegate but not always.

      When you can't get the results the CEO wants with the budget the CFO gave you in the time they unrealitically expect you get fired. If you were smart you have a nice severance written into your contract, if not you went from 200K to Zero overnight.

      And what if you don't get fired?

      This assumes both the CEO and CFO suck and are making you do all the hard work.

    3. Re:What would you recommend? by twiddlingbits · · Score: 1

      If you don't have the support of the CEO and CFO you might as well quit. If they are realistic reasonable managers and give you the freedom to run the IT as it needs to be run then maybe you can be successful but you'll need to find a way to deal with the issues I outlined. If I told you exactly how to do it I would be stupid as there is more than one way. If you somehow deliver the results the bar just gets raised higher until you can't meet it. CIOs are the newest member of the C-club and IMHO don't get the respect they deserve. It's very much like the rest of IT, if you screw or don't play the politics there is always someone else out there that will, and maybe for less money.

  70. He got lucky. by elucido · · Score: 1

    First, $90k-$150k is what a CIO might make at some 10 person company. The money you're talking about is something that a talented senior developer can easily be making. Additionally, an MIS degree may or may not help you become a CIO. I only know one CIO personally. He works for a private company worth ~$1B and his degree is in music.

    Just because some lucky people like Bill Gates can be CEO's without any experience or degrees, it does not mean the average person can become a CIO without an MIS degree.

    I don't expect to be a CIO without an MIS degree.

    Even if I have to get a degree from Phoenix University I'd expect it to count for more than no degree at all.

  71. Answer this by elucido · · Score: 1

    Where are startups, fresh out of college, going to find an experienced CIO they can trust?

    If the CEO's are fresh out of college why would you expect them to have an experienced CIO?

  72. CIO and CEO pay NOT commensurate by bevoblake · · Score: 1

    CIOs do not make nearly as much money as CEOs. In the firm I work for (and this is typical), the CEO makes 7 figures, the CIO makes a few hundred thousand. Granted, they are both doing well for themselves, but the CEO could be buying private villas and yachts, while the CIO is more on the nice timeshare level.

    Also, CIOs might make 90k-150k at startups, but they will make significantly more than that at large companies - over a million at the better paying s&p500-level companies.

    Another downside to the CIO position: CIOs are the bitch of the C-level positions in many corporations. They often report to the CFOs or COOs rather than the CEO directly. This makes them one extra prestige-level and pay grade from the top. I disagree with this as it lowers the strategic importance of IT; I'd prefer the CIO at my company be at the same level as the CFO/COO. At many of the tech firms, the CIO is more important but not always.

    None of the C-level execs have great job security. They all turn into scapegoats if issues arrive at a corporation, but the CEO receives the best "golden parachute" payout when he gets the boot, followed by the COOs and CFOs. So, if you want to work long hours with little to no job security, you might as well shoot for any of the other C-level jobs.

    Lastly, my experience with senior executives is that they're smart but no smarter than the more intelligent in-the-trenches employees. This is more a compliment to the in-the-trenches folks than a negative statement about executives. There are a lot of very smart people working at lower levels throughout companies. This makes it twice as hard for the decisions of executives to come across as intelligent - the smart low-level employee could make much better decisions about his/her own area of expertise than a senior exec due to his/her detailed knowledge. However, since a senior exec operates at a much higher level, they must do the best they can and also gather as much input as possible from the smart, low-level people. C-level execs very often fail at this point due to too much ego, too little time to do things right, too little knowledge of leadership, etc. The biggest differences I see in senior execs as compared to the standard rank and file employees: 1. More ambitious in the business sense. 2. More social intelligence (this one is only sometimes true). 3. More political intelligence. 4. Luck.

  73. It's not a dichotomy by Moraelin · · Score: 1

    I don't see them as mutually exclusive, you know? It's not like I can only worry about one issue at a time.

    Yes, all the stuff you mention _are_ still problems. Additionally, I do also have contempt for shallow people who invent funny titles to sound more important, and/or funny pseudo-jargon to sound smart.

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    1. Re:It's not a dichotomy by Free+the+Cowards · · Score: 1

      When you use the phrase "the problem", you imply that it is, in fact, mutually exclusive.

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    2. Re:It's not a dichotomy by Moraelin · · Score: 1

      "The problem" means in the context at had, which was the retarded title of the job. You know, look a bit upwards through the thread, and all that.

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