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It is rare for these agreements to even approach 3 cents a minute nowadays, phone cards are proof of that because they usually average about 1-2 cents profit per minute because the competition is brutal. The phone companies are charging sometimes 50 times the amount they pay. So did you get that, MTS is charging 1.33 Canadian and you can get phone cards for around 4 cents a minute US. So around 40,000 minutes of calls which would cost around 1500 bucks US they are trying to get him to pay around 45,000 US or about 30 times cost. Are people really that stupid to still be sticking with a land line when they won't even spit on your asshole before raping you?

I have friends in Georgia, Russia and the Ukraine and I just use a cheap skype router and talk to them that way, it works better than the phone system. 90% of the people under the age of 35 in those countries do the same. So my question would be who were the calls to, who was making them and why can't they charge one of them?

What four western provinces are you talking about? Last I checked, MTS was not owned by Telus ...

TV over a phone line has been available in Winnipeg, Canada, for a number of years now. It is being offered via our local phone company. You can get both your DSL and your TV through the phone company. The phone company's website is light on technical details. The equipment was provided by a company called "Next Level Communications" and I believe that it has been bought up by Motorola. See http://broadband.motorola.com/nlc/ . The actual device is called the "N3 Residential Gateway".

TV over phone lines won't arrive in 2005, it arrived back in the 90s

I don't know about the 90's, but the phone company here has been pushing this for a year or two now. I wouldn't trust them for television service though, I suffered with their broadband service for a few months before finally getting Shaw back. Unless you switch to both services from the same company, you lose the benefits of their "bundled" price packages.

Let me know when the cable company is giving out phone numbers, then I'll be interested.

TV via DSL has been around in Winnipeg, Canada, for a couple of years now.

in Winnipeg, Canada, the telephone company competes with the cable and satellite companies by providing television over DSL.

in Winnipeg, Canada, the telephone company competes with the cable and satellite companies by providing television over DSL.

This isn't something that we can just implement anywhere that wants to save a few kilowatts. Toronto's downtown is directly beside one of the largest lakes in North America. It surely would be something to look at especially for coastal cities. What they say is, given a big enough water body, if you go deep enough the temperature will be about 4 degrees celsius. It really doesn't sound all that different to me than what we've been doing here for years with geothermal heat pumps to heat buildings in Winter.

I didn't quite get your analogy between the lake and the back of my hand though. You mean because any heat given off will be released near the bottom instead of heating the top of the lake?

P.S. My ISP is terrible. Had to wait an hour and a half for it come back to life so I could reply. If anyone in Manitoba is considering switching to MTS from Shaw. DON'T! By far the worst provider I've ever had the displeasure of dealing with.

We already have TV over the phone lines

• I believe that running an SMTP server on a residential MTS Internet connection is in violation of the Terms & Conditions (Looks like it is under the Your Responsibilities, section a, subsection ix). You can read over the terms and conditions at the following location:
  
  MTS Internet Services Terms and Conditions

Here in Central Canada (Manitoba), Cable and DSL is $39.95-45.95 CDN. Which converted is around $30 or so US. However, if one wanted to sign up, it's approximately $29.99 CDN for the first 6-8 months. I know in the states, Comcast and other providers are offering broadband at $45.95 to 60.95 US for cable internet. Might be why we have a high ratio of broadband customers here in Canada versus in the states.

The two most popular broadband providers in my area are:
Shaw Cable
MTS DSL

I'll probably get called an IE Zealot and modded down for this...

I've ran Phoenix 0.2, and I really tried to like it. Tabbed browsing, pop-up blocker, custimized toolbar, and it doesn't have the bloatedness of Moz. Stable too for a 0.2 release. BUT...

IT DOESN'T RENDER THE PAGES I WANT TO VIEW PROPERLY! I ran into the same problem with Netscape 7 and Moz 1.

Sites that I couldn't load properly in Phoenix:

Airmiles.ca
- Couldn't load the front page.
Hotmail
- Loaded front page but couldn't log in.
IGN Cube
- This goes for all IGN game sites... the articles that are locked for subscribers have an 'i' beside them. This does not show up in Phoenix.
My Employers Self Serve site
- I can log in but the page hangs on the welcome screen.

I only have about 15 sites bookmarked, and the above 4 don't work. Who knows how many other sites are out there.

Maybe I'm doing something wrong, maybe I have to configure something (If so, let me know please!), but the bottom line is that these sites load fine in IE.

I don't want to hear people say "These websites aren't following a standard". Tell me something I don't know.

I want a browser that lets me view the pages I want to see, thankyouverymuch. Until there's an alternative that does this, I'm sticking with IE along with its swiss cheese security.