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Broadband Pricing Across The World?

Freedom_Canadian writes "I was wondering if it would be possible to put up a world map with broadband internet pricing. The prices in Eastern Canada are ridiculous comparing to some states, around $24 US for DSL or cable. I would like to know who is getting screwed, and who are the lucky ones." What are the best and worst prices in your own area? Perhaps someone handy with graphics can collect some good data points from your comments and create such a beast.

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  1. Paying More For Choices by Oculus+Habent · · Score: 4, Informative

    Ah, the benefits of a free market. When your access is partially or fully government subsidized, it can be plenty cheaper. We aren't getting screwed necessarily; we are paying for choice (even if it doesn't exist in your area).

    For my area, I get DSL for $40 (Verizon or the one Verizon reseller), dial-up for $15, or I can go for my own leased line. At work We could get Business Cable ($150+), dial-up $15, or (the chosen option) a fractional T1 from our telco. It's $300-something for 384k.

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    1. Re:Paying More For Choices by Forge · · Score: 5, Interesting

      In Jamaica DSL starts at US$ 93 for 128Kbps up 256Kbps down.

      As long as you have anything resembling a monopoly on any critical aspect the prices will remain at such insane levels. I.e. All the undersea cables terminate in one place and that company also owns the only landline network. In fact they only started having competition in Cellular 2 years ago

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    2. Re:Paying More For Choices by TravisW · · Score: 1

      Free market benefits can be very real here. In my area (Eugene, OR), we pay ~$42 for cable access (including a few one- and two-dollar fees), where there's only one major provider. In Tacoma, where competition has forced prices down, Comcast high-speed Internet starts at $20.

    3. Re:Paying More For Choices by saden1 · · Score: 1

      The cable companies have the speed market cornered and I would even say they are in cahoots. I mean really, look at their princesses; they are almost exactly the same. $45-$55 dollar price range. One has to ask why do they all have the same price? It is not like they are directly competing with one another. If you ask me, cable companies have not intention of lowering their princesses ever. Until we see mass defection to DSL or the growth of DSL I don't expect my cable internet price to go down. Oh well, I'll just continue to threaten my cable company every friggin month with "I would like to cancel..." just to that they will continue to give me the $30 price deal they currently give me.

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    4. Re:Paying More For Choices by C10H14N2 · · Score: 1

      I think that Jamaica is probably an unfair testbed for market economics for infrastructure services. Really, how many competitors can you have in such a confined space for a product with such a high initial cost, especially given the broader economic conditions of the area. The average American can stomach the idea of $40/month (and, obviously from this thread, they still bitch about it), but what would the price point have to be for the average Jamaican who makes less than $500/month? However, satellite service isn't impacted by local economics and is available in Jamaica for $39.99.

    5. Re:Paying More For Choices by hummer357 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well,

      over here in Belgium, I don't think that we can complain:

      dsl costs 40 euro's, and is 3Mbit down, 128k up
      cable is slightly cheaper, but is 10Mbit down, 128k up.

      currently, we're at over 1.2 million broadband lines, of which there's about 800.000 dsl. and that's on a population of 10 million.
      there are more dsl lines because of less installation hassles: cable requires new equipment in the house (with scary drilling and such), for dsl, all you have to do is place some filters on the phone sockets.

      yes. we're number 3 in the world ;-)
      (for penetration and density of installed lines, compared to the population)

      and it gets even better!

      sometime later this year, we're getting lines which will probably be 15Mbit downstream/5Mbit upstream, but only slightly more expensive than standard dsl or cable, and with optional video-on-demand, dvb and other nice stuff.

      bye,

      h357

    6. Re:Paying More For Choices by C10H14N2 · · Score: 1

      Until the cost of Tier-1 access goes down, your price will not go down. Simple as that. Threaten away if it makes you happy, but it won't make a difference. Considering the amount of bandwidth you can suck up for $40, you're practically stealing it already.

    7. Re:Paying More For Choices by paule9984673 · · Score: 1
      Similar monopoly situation in Luxembourg. The prices for the state-owned PT:

      All prices in EURO (1 EUR = 1.27 US$)

      Installation: 149,50
      Activation: 15, 50 (as if the installation wasn't expensive enough already)

      (Transfer volume is up and down combined)
      256 down, 64k up, 1 GB: 38,55
      256 down, 64k up, 10 GB: 55,95
      512 down, 128 up, 15 GB: 79,95
      1024 down, 192 up, 25 GB: 121,67

    8. Re:Paying More For Choices by Aphexian · · Score: 2, Funny
      your price will not go down.

      Don't you mean your princesses will not go down?

    9. Re:Paying More For Choices by NemoX · · Score: 1

      Not sure what state you live in, but here I pay "Less for more choices" Observe:

      Monopolistic Cox cable internet:
      $37/mo
      DOWN: 24Kbs - 1000Kbs; no guarenteed minimium (I had 24Kbs everynight at peak hours!)
      UP: 14KBs - 24KBs
      DOWNTIME: 12-24 hours per month
      BLOCKING: web, ssl, smtp, pop and other server ports including some P2P common ports

      Competition at it's best (AKA choices):
      SWBell ADSL:
      $29/mo
      DOWN: 384Kbs - 1500Kbs; guarenteed minimium (I get solid conection at 1150Kbs)
      UP: 16KBs - 32KBs
      DOWNTIME: 4 times in 2 year...when MY electricity went out.
      BLOCKING: none

      Direct TV offers ADSL at about the same price as SWBell, as does one other provider...hence the lower cost of DSL over Cable (in my area).

      BTW, Cox cable sucks...petition your senators/congressmen for anti-monopolistic cable laws. Hey, I am originially from a state with cable/phone/electicity choices...I miss it dearly ;)

    10. Re:Paying More For Choices by marc_gerges · · Score: 1

      Go cable, then. Cable in Luxembourg, where available by Eltrona, is 40 Eur, 256/64 with 10GB monthly. Coditel has similar pricing.

    11. Re:Paying More For Choices by istaz · · Score: 1

      home users in malaysia pay usd18/month for this service.

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    12. Re:Paying More For Choices by jawtheshark · · Score: 1
      You can use other providers, as I do: Visual Online has really good service. Yes, it is owned for 51% by the Post, but at least they don't have download caps and all ports are open (on the P&T too) Of course you still pay a part to the P&T for the location of the physical line. So, for me it is 256/64 at 19,90Euro for Visual Online and 31,05Euro to the P&T. That is still less than what the P&T asks for it with their bandwidth caps. Yes, compared to Belgium and France it's still expensive. Competition will never really take off here, though...

      There is also internet.lu that is privately owned as far as I know and started off in the dial-up bussiness. (I worked there for a week, but quit because I didn't like it there) They offer both DSL and Cable.

      On top of that you do have to remember that the salaries in Lux are quite high, and life is quite expensive in the first place. 50 Euro for a basic DSL package is probably way more affordable to a Luxembourgish inhabitant than 50Euro for a Jamaican inhabitant.

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    13. Re:Paying More For Choices by gujo-odori · · Score: 1

      I mean really, look at their princesses; they are almost exactly the same. $45-$55 dollar price range
      You can get a princess for that price? Man, where do you live? Out here in California, that'll hardly get you a crack ho.

    14. Re:Paying More For Choices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You need to take advantage of the special offers. Here in Palo Alto I access the internet over Cable for $19.99 for the first six months, including cable modem rental. (Installation was free.)

      After these first six months are over, I'll find the cheapest introductory DSL option, get it installed, and then I'll call up Comcast and cancel my subscription with them.

      If you just repeat this process, you can get a pretty good deal on your internet access. It's not much hassle, and it's not unethical. (The deals are almost never restricted to "first time customers"... usually the restriction is just that you cannot have been a customer during the last few months.)

    15. Re:Paying More For Choices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course there is no SWBell nowadays... they have merged to become SBC.

    16. Re:Paying More For Choices by Forge · · Score: 1

      Tell me more. I can bearly afford DSL on my geak's salary and so don't have broadband now. I'll get Satalite if I can.

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    17. Re:Paying More For Choices by manabadman · · Score: 0

      What do you use for $39.99 ? I had Gotel (64k) for $40 a month, but they suck. Using free GPRS thru cellphone from Cable and Wireless now (till they start charging for it). Supposed to be 3+1 (40200/13600) but only getting 1+1 (real slow).There was Cable in JA too but they went under (wasn't really any cheaper than dsl either.

    18. Re:Paying More For Choices by Guy+Harris · · Score: 2
      Ah, the benefits of a free market. When your access is partially or fully government subsidized, it can be plenty cheaper. We aren't getting screwed necessarily; we are paying for choice (even if it doesn't exist in your area).

      So in what locales do people have the government-subsidized, no choice broadband to which you're referring? (Please supply references to back up any assertions that broadband in those locales is subsidized.)

    19. Re:Paying More For Choices by i.r.id10t · · Score: 1

      One has to ask why do they all have the same price?

      I used to work in a parking lot (professional speed bump) and there were 2 laundromats visible from my booth - a bar convienently between them. Anyway, every so often, the owner of one shop would decide to change his prices on the wash/dry/fold per pound service usually up, but down in the summer time. He'd go out, hang the new sign, and be done with it. Within a few hours, the other shop's owner will get in his truck, go to Home Depot and buy materials, and make a new sign - with the same price. Funny thing about it, you never knew which owner was gonna change prices when.

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    20. Re:Paying More For Choices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if you want a princess, you should come to Europe, I'm from California too, but here they're a dime a dozen (or 10 centimes if you prefer).

    21. Re:Paying More For Choices by dogsbreath · · Score: 1

      Just to set the record straight: in Canada, DSL prices are not regulated by the government. The low pricing is due to fierce head-to-head competition between providers, mainly ILEC vs Cable Co. I believe TELUS (Alberta) was first on the block in North America to deploy DSL... and they have been playing catchup with Shaw ever since. Cheers

    22. Re:Paying More For Choices by Forge · · Score: 1

      Didn't mention GoTel because 1. they don't work for me 9No signal in Kintyre when they tried in 11/2002 and 2. They are much slower than advertised when they work. I.e. The highest speed anyone actualy got was down in dialup range (28k).

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    23. Re:Paying More For Choices by Vaystrem · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I would like to put forward the example of Saskatchewan Canada, where I reside.

      Population less of just a hair over a 1 million, square area of 651,900km. With our 2 biggest cities just over 200k population. Why does this matter?

      The population density of Saskatchewan, and much of rural Canada, is very low and from what I can see it is very similar in density to rural American States.

      Our telco (Sasktel) has committed to every town, with greater than 40 people in this province having access to ADSL. Several of the enlightened employees I have spoken too have commented on the deployment as well.

      In addition our Telco (Sasktel - a government owned corporation 'crown corporation') also distributes Digital television via DSL - so these communities also will in the near term get access to this service as well.

      But of course we must be paying an absolute fortune for this wonderful widely distributed service - right? Because we "pay for choice (even if it doesn't exist in your area)"

      1.54 down / 384 up = $45.99 Canadian a month.
      Which (with our current great exchange rate) would work out to about $36 American. Where our dollar traditionally resides it would work out to right around $30 American.

      So even in a rural province - we have an extremely high level of access, and we don't pay through the nose for it.

      And yes there are competitors so there is a free market in effect (in dense population areas) but for rural communities it takes a benevolent (i use that term with some sarcasm) organization to push access upward and outward.

    24. Re:Paying More For Choices by PishiGorbeh · · Score: 1

      We are getting it here in Tehran. Because of government policies, opperation any type of communications company is very costly. The cost is passed along to the consumer. Async 384K is about 500,000 Toman = 600 USD per month. Based on average per capita income here, that would be about $1000 (New York City dollars per month.) Being from the US.. I must have my broadband at any cost!

    25. Re:Paying More For Choices by rickbrodie · · Score: 2, Funny
      I can bearly afford DSL on my geak's salary


      This spelling thing on slashdot is getting beyond a joke. Now we can't even spell geek for god's sake.

      Bonus points for correct use of apostrophe though.

      *Jaw drops at ceaseless wonders*
    26. Re:Paying More For Choices by Forge · · Score: 1

      My Dislexia works like that. I.e. If I try my gramar and ponctuation will be imaculate. My spelling however sucks.

      I normaly use spell check software but I'm too lazy today.

      I am not trying on the punctuation thing either so you could find problems if you search.

      PS: What ever became of Slashdot users "GramerNazi" and GramerJew" ?

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    27. Re:Paying More For Choices by shaitand · · Score: 1

      Hmmm can you have multiple wives in belgium? I was going to move to Utah after hearing about their new pipe, but if belgium can match the multiple wife thing, I'm on my way!

    28. Re:Paying More For Choices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      In Cincinnati, OH USA we have both cable modems ($35 + min $10 for cable access) and ADSL ($41). I've had both and haven't noticed much of a difference in performance.

      In Ankara, Turkey (visiting my in-laws) we were just researching pricing. There, prices start at about $60 US for 64/32 DSL (no that's not a typo) 384/128 service was something like $300 US/month - gov't monopoly. Wish I hadn't thrown out the price list.

    29. Re:Paying More For Choices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bermuda we pay $99 for the Telco service (DSL line, includes unlimited local calls - we normally pay for more than 60 calls a month). Then we pay for bandwidth from the ISP - $85 for 128k up to about $299 for 512k.

      I (my company) pays about $235 a month for 256k for me. Nothing like a near monopoly and 70,000 people on 21 square miles to make broadband expensive.

    30. Re:Paying More For Choices by sql*kitten · · Score: 1

      So even in a rural province - we have an extremely high level of access, and we don't pay through the nose for it.

      Actually, being in a rural location may be an advantage. It means the telco has to do less multiplexing at the exchange, which is built from standard components designed for areas of higher population density. You can't hear the effect of heavy muxing if you're a voice user (usually!) but it plays hell with the portion of the frequency spectrum that ADSL uses.

      The worst people off will be those who live in an area that has experienced rapid increase in the number of people per exchange, for whatever reason.

    31. Re:Paying More For Choices by cdltbz · · Score: 2, Informative

      >over here in Belgium, I don't think that we can
      >complain:

      > dsl costs 40 euro's, and is 3Mbit down, 128k up

      We can't complain, but it's now even cheaper than that : http://www.adsl2fit.be/ now offers 8Mbit down/512Kbit up for 60 euros a month, or 4 Mbit down/512kbit up for 35 euros a month.

      (1 euro approximatelly equals 1 US dollar)

    32. Re:Paying More For Choices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think we can see why this fellow is only getting a "geaks salary".

    33. Re:Paying More For Choices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, well, last time I checked SBC is an acronym for Southwestern Bell Corporation and SWBell is an abreviation thereof. And if you want to get real technical they are actually "SBC Yahoo!" since they merged with Yahoo! So, pretty much either way you look at it...your wrong.

    34. Re:Paying More For Choices by rickbrodie · · Score: 1

      Didn't mean to come down too hard on you, I just thought it was quite a funny misspelling given the context. But for me, bad spelling sticks out like a sore thumb.

      At least some people (fewer than we'd all like) can put it down to the fact that they think faster than they can type.

    35. Re:Paying More For Choices by Forge · · Score: 1

      Geek's Salary means I make more than a high school principal or a Police Superintendent. Around twice as much in fact.

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    36. Re:Paying More For Choices by at_18 · · Score: 1

      Here in Italy the only real ADSL provider is the ex-monopoly Telecom, but government regulations force it to resell DSL access to different distributors at wholesale prices, thus there's some competition. The cheapest are:

      256Kbps down, 128 up 30 Euros/month
      640Kbps down, 128 up 60 Euros/month
      1Mbit down, 256 up 100 Euros/month

      No bandwidth caps that I know of.

      My own access is 320/128, but it seems that they recently uncapped it, because I regularly get 700 Kbits down, sometimes more.

      Dialup access is free, but you pay for each call (local calls are not free here).

    37. Re:Paying More For Choices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spain:

      29.90/month for 256/128 ADSL
      39.90/mont for 300/150 Cable

      Yeah...it sucks...

    38. Re:Paying More For Choices by gujo-odori · · Score: 1

      Nah, they just think they're princesses. Which is why I married a girl who isn't from California :-)

    39. Re:Paying More For Choices by edwardadad · · Score: 1

      we pay $39.95 a month for dsl 256 thru qwest with msn in las cruces, nm.

    40. Re:Paying More For Choices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm so Saden that I'm a fucking tool.

    41. Re:Paying More For Choices by emil_nikolov · · Score: 1

      Verizon aDSL is actually $34.95, the extra $5 on top is for the ?premium? plan(not sure exactly how it's branded) which gives you some number of dail-up minutes in case the DSL is down. Of course by default you get the higher priced one.

    42. Re:Paying More For Choices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i also get sasktel dsl. i love it. I'm have three computers on the router, and all three of us download music/video/etc for p2p apps. never once have they complained about using bandwidth, and i must be going through at least 4-5g per day on my machine alone.

    43. Re:Paying More For Choices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I live in Saskatchewan also and the rates are the same no matter where you live (rural/city). On top of that, I have relatives that live on a farm with original 1920s-era telephon lines that in no way could support any sort of highspeed modem, let alone DSL, and Sasktel will run brnad new cable to their house for a one time $100 fee. Much better than some of the in-city install fees I have heard of from other places.

    44. Re:Paying More For Choices by igloo+arsonist · · Score: 1

      I too, live in Saskatchewan. However, since I am a student at the local university, the university was able to reach an agreement with the local telco and cable companies to offer discounted (but profitable) high speed internet to students.

      The rates are:
      C$20.00/mo. for 256kbps download/192kbps Upload DSL
      C$22.46/mo. for 1.5Mbps download/1Mbps Upload Cable
      C$25.00/mo. for 1.5Mbps download/384kbps Upload DSL.

      I think that's quite cheap. But the thing is, the companies are still making a profit. (They still manage to give out FREE rental of the DSL/Cable modems, and free installation on top of that)

  2. DC Area by npistentis · · Score: 2, Insightful

    We pay 45 for a cable modem, dsl is 35... which i find completely absurd.

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    1. Re:DC Area by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Goddammit Dick!

      I've told you not to post on Slashdot but still you keep doing it. What in the world am I going to do with you?

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    2. Re:DC Area by Phosphor3k · · Score: 1

      I'm paying 25$ a month for verizon DSL 1.5/128k in Montgomery county, MD. Look harder maybe?

    3. Re:DC Area by bgovoni · · Score: 1

      30$ a month for 1.5/128k cable in Anne Arundel County, MD. Good to see other slashdoters in the area.

  3. ADSL is cheap in Western Canada.. by PFAK · · Score: 4, Informative

    I pay about $35/mo (CDN) for my 1.53mbps/640kbps ADSL in British Columbia with great upstream, low pings, and it's not even PPPoE.. which is just great.

    I guess it depends what part of the world you live in, the cable here is great too.. capped at 8mbps/512kbps if you want Shaw, but it's a bit more pricy at around $45/mo unless you get the cable/TV bundle.

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    1. Re:ADSL is cheap in Western Canada.. by m0rph3us0 · · Score: 1

      yeah, i'm on shaw average speed is about 3.7Mbps, so I feel the extra money is worth it.

    2. Re:ADSL is cheap in Western Canada.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe if Telus had name servers that were up more than 2 minutes per day it might be worth using. Otherwise, it's just plain awful.

    3. Re:ADSL is cheap in Western Canada.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Free means no restrictions

      Agreed, none of us will be free for as long as we're prevented from having slaves.

    4. Re:ADSL is cheap in Western Canada.. by placeclicker · · Score: 1

      Sounds nice, are there any "mysterious limits" you have to be careful not to go over?

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    5. Re:ADSL is cheap in Western Canada.. by PFAK · · Score: 1

      Nothing wrong with TELUS Name servers, I've had 99.9% uptime (minus DDoS against my ADSL.. but that's a different story), but then again I just use them to 'refer' me, and I run my own named setup.

      Try:
      209.53.4.150
      209.53.4.130

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    6. Re:ADSL is cheap in Western Canada.. by PFAK · · Score: 1

      http://pfak.org:81/mrtg/velocity.html

      Telus ADSL Transfer graph :)

      37.90GB in 13 days (2.91GB per day)

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    7. Re:ADSL is cheap in Western Canada.. by Dashing+Leech · · Score: 1
      I pay about $35/mo (CDN) for my 1.53mbps/640kbps ADSL in British Columbia...

      It's about the same or less here in "Eastern" Canada. (I use the quotes because I am in Ontario, which considers itself "East", even though I'm from Nova Scotia which is a full day's drive further East of here.)

      We have (monopolist Roger's) cable at ~$40+/month. DSL is generally $30 to $40 depending on whether you go with a small or large company.

    8. Re:ADSL is cheap in Western Canada.. by magical22 · · Score: 1

      I have both shaw and telus, and shaw is one of those companys advertising *UNLIMITED* service and limiting my bandwith, ya ya I know the ins and outs of UNLIMITED but shit they shouldn't be able to use it unless it really is. One thing about shaw is they are fast at fixing things, it takes telus months to fix anything, if it gets fixed at all, and literally days on the phone if you want anything fixed! No wonder why someone shot bullets at there windows head office in vancouver.

    9. Re:ADSL is cheap in Western Canada.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      The same goes for Eastern Ontario. In Ottawa we have quite a bit of choice too with Rogers offering cable access and the likes of Bell, Magma Communications, and iStop offering ADSL.

      I'm personally w/ Magma and I find their prices quite good and they have many options to pick from:

      1. Starter:
        • 3Mbps/800kbps
        • Downloads/Uploads (7am - midnight): 2 GB/2 GB
        • Downloads/Uploads (midnight - 7am): unlimited
        • Dynamic IP
        • $31.95 (US$25.17)
      2. Advanced:
        • 3Mbps/800kbps
        • Downloads/Uploads (7am - midnight): 30 GB/30 GB
        • Downloads/Uploads (midnight - 7am): unlimited
        • Dynamic IP
        • $39.95 (US$31.48)
      3. Professional:
        • 3Mbps/800kbps
        • Downloads/Uploads (7am - midnight): 30 GB/30 GB
        • Downloads/Uploads (midnight - 7am): unlimited
        • Static IP
        • $54.95 (US$43.29)
      4. Premium:
        • 4Mbps/800kbps
        • Downloads/Uploads (7am - midnight): 40 GB/40 GB
        • Downloads/Uploads (midnight - 7am): unlimited
        • Dynamic IP
        • $64.95 (US$51.17)

      I've had the Professional package for a while now and I've never had any problems. I run my own web server, and mail server. And to top it off, Magma supports Linux.

    10. Re:ADSL is cheap in Western Canada.. by optikSmoke · · Score: 1

      I'm also in Ontario (Peterborough, specifically) and I've got (monopolist Cogeco's :) ) cable for ~$40 canadian. All in all, I think that's probably one of the best deals I've seen in these comments -- it works out to under $30 US for great speeds -- around 4 or 5 Mbit/s top-end so far as I can tell, usually around 2 or 3 (and rarely under 1). I think they may have been improving their systems (or dropping BW caps) lately as my top speeds have been increasing.

    11. Re:ADSL is cheap in Western Canada.. by MochaMan · · Score: 1

      I share your pain, man. 8 days downtime in November. They finally apologised and offered a refund for November, but I'll be switching to Shaw next month.

    12. Re:ADSL is cheap in Western Canada.. by JonMartin · · Score: 1
      I'm in Edmonton and have had ADSL for a few months now. I've yet to pay a dime. Yay Telus! Their tech people are incompetent, but so are their billing people.

      Anyways, the price they gave me <snicker> when I signed up was $17 CDN per month for the first six months (no obligations), then up to $35 after that. If you bundle with other phone services you can save even more. The CRTC (our communications regulatory board for you non-Canucks) is making noises about this deal so it may be a time limited offer.

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    13. Re:ADSL is cheap in Western Canada.. by JacobO · · Score: 1

      I would definitely pay extra for greater bandwidth, but there is nothing available for the home user faster than the DSL I have through Aliant (here in Moncton, New Brunswick) which is 1.5mbps/512kbps. There appears to be "Business" offerings which are priced accordingly. Rogers Cable seems to advertise 3mbps/384kbps on their website but it doesn't correspond to reality on my installation (that I keep meaning to cancel!)

      Since I have no choice on local phone service, the bundle I can get with Aliant puts my bill at around $80/mo for local service, long distance (unlimited ld in Canada evenings and weekends), cell phone, and DSL. Also, since I keep forgetting to cancel my cable modem service, I am paying $50/mo to have a few extra flashing LEDs in the basement (I am penalized in price because I do not want cable TV.) Must go cancel that now. :-)

  4. Location, Location, Location by jonman_d · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Don't forget, location matters. Everyone always talks about how cheap (compared to the United States) broadband is in Japan, for example. Well, of course it is! In Japan, everything is closer together, meaning less line required to get broadband into the home, meaning less costs for the company, meaning lower prices.

    The same goes from state-to-state, and area-to-area. Areas with higher population density will generally have less expessive broadband than areas where the population is spread out.

    1. Re:Location, Location, Location by 3NO · · Score: 1

      I guess that explains why broadband is cheaper in Canada too..

      FYI, a plain ol' landline phone in Tokyo is _absurdly_ expensive.

    2. Re:Location, Location, Location by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This arguement is only partly right. In large countries and/or rural areas where population is sparse, yes it will make broadband more expensive. However, all major cities are densely populated thus negating this problem. The bigger problem is stupid monopolies, bad govenment policy, etc. Many countries such as Canada, S. Korea, and european countries actively developed their infrastructure and don't leave it in the gutter with one shit company

    3. Re:Location, Location, Location by jonman_d · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The thing is, in the United States, even if you have someone where like New York City, which is very densely populated, you still have to lay pipe connecting these big cities across the country. If you've ever looked at a map of the major United States backbones, you'll see how insanely long these pipes need to be - they have to travel for hundreds of miles, and much of the time they're going through sparcely populated land, where no profit can be made.

      In Japan, South Korea, et. al, there aren't as many long-and-profitless pipes.

    4. Re:Location, Location, Location by los+furtive · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Uhm, that may be a great idea in theory, but at leaset in Canada major cities are much more separated than those in the US, and yet DSL Cable are both close to 50% cheaper. We also only have 1/10th the population, so our population density is waaay lower than the US. Oh, and did I mention that the Canadian dollar has less than 4/5 the purchasing power of the US dollar? Finally, for those who might argue otherwise, broadband isn't state subsidised in Canada.

      With the above taken into consideration, NOW try to explain why broadband is so damn expensive in the US?

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    5. Re:Location, Location, Location by ergo98 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The Canadian government subsidizes broadband, making it less expensive

      The Canadian government has initiatives to bring broadband out to rural areas (i.e. way up North). They don't subsidize broadband for the vast majority of Canadians (who are those living in fairly urban settings). Cogeco isn't getting a cheque from the government for my broadband.

      Canadian citizens have to pay taxes to support their socialist government

      Right...socialist. And of course where you live every road is a pay road, every service is a user-pay (fire call -- pay up. Need police services? Better have your chequebook!), and the government is minimalist -- anything else is socialist.

    6. Re:Location, Location, Location by Lewisham · · Score: 1

      This doesn't explain the poor broadband pricing in the UK.

      Our broadband is so expensive/poor because BT have a monopoly, and generally appear to sit around twiddling their thumbs as opposed to doing anything. They literally seem to own everything, and the idea of competition is just that. You get billed by someone else, but BT runs the whole show, and it's up to them how much they're going to charge and how shoddy their DSL supply is.

    7. Re:Location, Location, Location by jonman_d · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I never said the United States doesn't have socialist leanings. However, when comparing the United States and Canada, it's obvious that Canada is far more socialist than the US.

      This is OT.

    8. Re:Location, Location, Location by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually, a minor nitpick: the buying power of the Canadian dollar is actually HIGHER in many cases than that of the US dollar.

      "What?" I hear you say. The thing is this: many things aren't sold by value, they're sold by pricepoint. That is, they're sold by how much the seller thinks they can convince people to pay. People like certain numbers for whatever reason, and don't like others. However, these pricepoints are just about the same in the US and Canada. I've seen CDs in the states that cost the same as in Canada, but in US dollars. Same with DVDs, and some commodity electronics. Often, the Canadian price seems higher, but works out to about the same thing.

      The Canadian dollar has massive purchasing power, as long as you stay in Canada.

    9. Re:Location, Location, Location by 3NO · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's true of very remote places, but I'm living in a town of 70k about an hour's drive from Toronto. (Guelph).

      Guelph is not rural, but not densely urban either. However, I pay as much or as little as any other DSL subscriber in southern ontario.

      Broadband is not subsidised around here, but there is competition. _Capitalist_ _competition_! The market, remember that thing?

      The reason we have this competition is because our regulatory environment is, dare I say it, better than that of the US. You should blame Mr. Powel Jr. and the FCC if you think your broadband prices are too high.

    10. Re:Location, Location, Location by 3NO · · Score: 1

      Oh, I forgot to mention the tokyo landline thing.

      Actually, both cellphones and landlines are more expensive over there than they are here (in canada at least). Many people (households) do still use landlines, however part of the reason cell phones are so popular is that they're about half the price (in terms of service charges) of landlines.

      Of course, Japan does have insane population density, but it also needs a buttload of cell capacity to support the huge numbers of users. (There is also _fierce_ competition between half a dozen cell providers.)

    11. Re:Location, Location, Location by thdexter · · Score: 1

      Smaller population != lower population density. Most Canadians live close to an American border. Canada has a lower population density, but it isn't evenly distributed... not many live in northern Nova Scotia, but many live in southern Ontario. Japan has a much lesser population than the US but it has a much greater population density on the whole.

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    12. Re:Location, Location, Location by alphaseven · · Score: 1
      Talking about the population density of Canada is difficult, considering almost a thrid of the population (9 million?) live within a 100 miles of Toronto, and 90% live within 100 miles of the U.S. border. I'd expect broadband would be more expensive in Tuktoyaktuk.

      Ironically, perhaps because Canada is so ridiculously spread out, a lot has been spent on telecommunciations resulting in lower costs, I could be wrong though.

    13. Re:Location, Location, Location by RobinH · · Score: 1

      I never said the United States doesn't have socialist leanings. However, when comparing the United States and Canada, it's obvious that Canada is far more socialist than the US.

      That is a very old myth. Check your facts. With the exception of health care, the U.S. has just as many social programs as Canada. Plus, Canada's social programs seem to work better.

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    14. Re:Location, Location, Location by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.canadainfolink.ca/chartfour.htm

      Dumbass.

    15. Re:Location, Location, Location by smchris · · Score: 1

      Don't forget, location matters. Everyone always talks about how cheap (compared to the United States) broadband is in Japan, for example. Well, of course it is! In Japan, everything is closer together

      Pioneers get the arrows. Because the U.S. was at the forefront of the best phone service on the planet, NOW we have about a billion miles (literally, if I understand) of copper to dig up and replace with fiber or wireless.

      What can you do in hindsight but shrug and say, "Oh, well"!

      As an aside, my parents in the god-forsaken wilds of a smaller North Dakota county seat only got local dial-up about '97 and I believe that died last year. There are still parts of the country with access limitations.

    16. Re:Location, Location, Location by RobinH · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Most Canadians live close to an American border.

      Wrong, wrong, wrong. I'm sick of hearing this stupid "fact" repeated like it's gospel. The people who came to North America a few hundred years ago settled mostly along waterways, especially the Great Lakes and St. Lawrence seaway. Also, they settled along the coasts. In modern times, most people still live in the same areas that were first colonized.

      About half the people in Canada live in Toronto, Vancouver, and Montreal. None of these are bordertowns, but all of them were population centres before the United States and Canada existed.

      If Canadians were flocking towards the U.S. border, then why is the largest border city in Canada (Windsor, Ontario) only 200,000 people? Also, why does practically nobody live next to the border with Alaska? People live where they live because it follows early settlement patterns.

      You can say that most Canadians live within 3 hours of the United States, but I ask you this, don't most Americans live along the outside of the U.S.? Is that because they're all trying to get away from the centre? I doubt it.

      Anyway, go on with what you were saying...

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    17. Re:Location, Location, Location by afp.matt · · Score: 2, Informative

      This _should_ mean that the UK is insanely chep for this kind of infrastructure, at least in England. Major cities are very close compared to in the US. There probably aren't many pipes longer than 30/40 miles in middle-south England, and even Scotland has nowhere near the USAian distances. It doesn't seem to make any difference though. True, there are few places without mobile phone reception, but there's still plenty of villages without DSL - see ADSL guide for some stats. The prices are high too, BT own most of the pipes and ISPs pay loads (50 at least) to activate a connection to BT. The bigger one's have a "free" activation fee, but you'll pay GBP26-29 a month for 512-256, smaller local ISPs will pass on the activation fee and charge between 17 and 27 or so. I can't wait for an increase in the download speed though... pity the poor souls on dial-up

    18. Re:Location, Location, Location by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's why DSL and cable is sooo inexpensive in the major metro markets of the US!

      Haha, just kidding.

    19. Re:Location, Location, Location by bjarvis354 · · Score: 1

      I don't think that this works out in many cases. Take the comic book. The typical comic costs only around $2.95 in the US. The exact same comic costs $4.50 in Canada.

      Live mid-market rates as of 2004.01.10 23:01:44 GMT.
      4.50 Canada Dollars = 3.55 United States Dollars

      The Dictionary of Economics published by The Economist defines purchasing-power parity theory as follows:
      "Purchasing-power parity theory. A theory which states that the exchange rate between one currency and another is in equilibrium when their domestic purchasing powers at that rate of exchange are equivalent."

      But your argument only applys to goods that have the same price in both Countries.

    20. Re:Location, Location, Location by Mod+Me+God · · Score: 0

      Major cities are very close compared to in the US.

      There is only one major city in England.

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    21. Re:Location, Location, Location by Larmal · · Score: 1

      And besides, who wants to live in NWT, Nunavut, or the Yukon? It's freaking cold up there... hell, I'm only about 150 miles from the US Border, and It was below -40 with the windchill all last week!

    22. Re:Location, Location, Location by Moirke · · Score: 1

      I would argue there are two reasons broadband is more expensive in the US than in Canada. The first is the labor cost. This is not just the hourly rate of employees, it is also all the additional taxes and fees a business must pay for an employee. The total cost of a cable tech in the US (wages, benefits, taxes, insurance, etc) is much more than in Canada.

      The second reason it is more expensive is the regulatory cost of doing business in the US. This is the same reason drugs are more expensive. For better or worse, a large companies must spend large sums of money to get plans approved to run line, plans approved to build offices, plans approved to maintain lines, etc.

    23. Re:Location, Location, Location by Larmal · · Score: 1
      Because the U.S. was at the forefront of the best phone service on the planet, NOW we have about a billion miles (literally, if I understand) of copper to dig up and replace with fiber or wireless.
      Are you sure? I thought Canada was always way ahead of the states in terms of phone service... we've had fiber from coast to coast for years andyears and years now... crystal clear sound. Also, I wouldn't quite say that the US is a world leader in cellular services by any means... I was in Hungary and Croatia for about 3 weeks this past spring, and the cell service there is beyond anything I've ever experienced... try being 75 feet below ground in a metro, in another country, and receiving a phone call. It's quite something. In north america, I lose the signal if I simply step into "a bad area" in my apartment... it's a joke.
    24. Re:Location, Location, Location by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

      What are the Canadian prices? I didn't think that they were below the $30 rate that a lot of companies in the US are promoting now.

    25. Re:Location, Location, Location by magical22 · · Score: 1

      You should update your stats, soon our dollar is going to be worth more!!! MOO!

    26. Re:Location, Location, Location by 3NO · · Score: 1

      It's pretty well understood that north american cell service is pretty crappy compared to europe, japan, and israel, to name a few.

      I was blown away at the cell service in japan. Even two years later, it generally still sucks around here.

    27. Re:Location, Location, Location by Politburo · · Score: 1

      You imply that Canada doesn't have taxes and regulations. LOL

    28. Re:Location, Location, Location by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1) Not all of Japan lives in tiny apartment buildings. For example, I live in a 1200 sq ft house (big for Japan) in a neighborhood full of houses of the same size, just like an American suburb.

      2) Broadband is cheaper and faster here because of high competition. Phone calls here are charged per minute. There is no local unlimited calling. Here I can get 100Mbit fiber to the home. Right now, I have 10Mbit up 2Mbit down cable.

      3) Cell phones are very popular because of two things: free unlimited incoming calls and you can get prepaid that runs out and still receives incoming calls for 6 months. Also, you do not have to own a phone number for a cell phone. In Japan, you have to buy a phone number for $600 new from NTT or about $300 used. Finally, you can get a cell phone for dirt cheap. Forty dollars US gets a phone with a camera. Service plans include caller id, text messaging, internet service, email, and voicemail. And you are billed at twenty second increments.

    29. Re:Location, Location, Location by gujo-odori · · Score: 5, Informative

      I don't know what your experience in Japan is, but mine was as a network engineer at an ISP, and the local loop distances are really not significantly different than they are here. Moreover, those local loops have already been in the ground (or on the pole) for a long time; it's not like they have to run a new local loop to your house to install DSL. Finally, if you did have to run new local loops, even if the distance was shorter, I would expect the cost per kilometer to be higher in Japan, offsetting much or all of the distance savings.

      DSL prices in Japan can often be comparable or maybe a little more than what they may be in many areas of the United States, but the big difference is the speed you get in Japan for that price. Take a look at this:

      http://www.gol.com/personal/ntt_adsl_e.html

      Look at the line on the bottom of the pricing chart. You can get 40 megabit down DSL (Yes, 40!) for about 4000 yen/month. The exchange rate is about 107 yen to the dollar, so that's under 40 bucks, or looked at another way: it's $1 per megabit, how fast would you like to go?

      Also, notice that the ISP fee is the same regardless of speed, and the telco fee varies by only 150 yen from the price of 1.5 meg service to the price of 40 meg service. I imagine that not many people in a 40 meg service area will go for the 1.5 meg service :-)

      This small price differences reflect the facts that in Japan:

      1) The DSL market has actually grown competitive;

      2) It doesn't really cost you, as a telco, any more to make the line go faster if it will support it. It doesn't cost you that much more as an ISP either, because even if I have a 40 mpbs down DSL line, when was the last time you saw an FTP server that would feed you at that rate?

      Here in LA, I have 2 meg down business cable (no restrictions, global static IP), and I can get near wire speed from an FTP site with a big pipe.

      In Japan, I had 100 megabits from my desk to our network core, with only two Cisco switches in between, yet the fastest downloads I ever saw were on the order of 8 mbps, from an FTP site that was both close (only a few hops away) and had massive bandwidth, the biggest pipes in the whole country. I expect high-speed users probably see similar performance, or maybe less, because they aren't plugged right into the network core over 100 megabit ethernet. So what good does 40 megabit DSL do you if no FTP site will serve you at more than 8 - 10 mbps, and there are very few even of those? Unless your provider runs a huge FTP mirror and it has huge bandwidth to the DSL network, you'll never realize anywhere near the potential of that pipe.

      In Japan, you can also get 100 megabit fiber to the home for not too much more than I pay for my business cable. Here's a price list:

      http://www.gol.com/personal/ntt_b_e.html

      But again, what good does 100 megabit service do you if you can't pull at anywhere near that rate?

      These highly competitive prices are despite the fact that nearly every aspect of running an ISP (or telco) in Japan is more costly than it is in the United States, and come from the fact that while it took a lot longer to get any kind of competition going in the telco market in Japan than it did here, they have at length done so. Best of all, the competition seems to be actually working as intended, whereas it has mostly failed here in the United States.

    30. Re:Location, Location, Location by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Actually, most Canadians do live close to the American border.

      Why do you find this so offensive? The post above does not make any claims as to why this is the case. Who said anything about Canadians "flocking" to the U.S. border?

      You can say that most Canadians live within 3 hours of the United States
      So, in other words - Most Canadians live close to an American border.
    31. Re:Location, Location, Location by EvilSporkMan · · Score: 1

      How are arcade game prices in Canada? 50 cents seems to be the absolute minimum at a "real" arcade in the States that still takes coins - 25 cents for Galaga, etc. Maximum acceptable price is usually $1.00 here.

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    32. Re:Location, Location, Location by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >

      If that's the case, then cities of several million people are not major, and even the US would only have arguably 4 major cities greater than or approaching the size of London, namely NY, LA, Chi, Ba-Wa.

    33. Re:Location, Location, Location by kir · · Score: 2, Informative

      That sounds great, but explain why I have these options available (yes, I live in Japan)?

      1.5, 8, 12, 24-26, or 40-45Mbps ADSL: 4000-10000 yen
      varying cable speed: 4000-10000 yen
      100Mbps FTTH: 4500-9000 yen
      wireless: my god... I should be glowing there is so much wireless here.

      I've heard your argument about Japan and its cheap internet access time and again, but I'm not sold on it. Internet access used to be very expensive here. It wasn't until GOJ told NTT to play nice and ADSL took off that prices became excellent.

      I've lived in Tokyo prefecture. I now live in Saitama. I've friends in Chiba, Osaka, and Aomori (country people talk different!). We've all no less than 4 ADSL loop providers available to choose from and who knows how many ISPs. Competition really is a great thing.

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    34. Re:Location, Location, Location by Sivaram_Velauthapill · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Both Canada and USA practice capitalism. Contrary to popular belief, Canada is not socialist (whoever that says so has no clue what socialism is). Having said that, Canada has more socialist IDEALS than USA.

      You say that USA has just as many social programs. That is completely false. It may SEEM to have social ideals but it is anything but. Many things USA has are very minimalist so it is not even worth considering them. For example, USA has stricter welfare, unemployment, immigration, etc. Its schools (especially universities) are less subsidized (at least tuition--research is another story). The environmental laws are a joke (depends on state though--some parts of USA have good envrionmental laws). Worker protection is a joke (it probably has some of the worst laws (of the developed countries) to protect workers--on par with Italy). Even its library systems are highly questionable. And so forth.

      The only socialist ideals and institutions that USA has that are on par or better than other socialist-like countries would be its free public roads (perhaps the best in the world--mostly because they were built by the military for WWII), human rights, and a few other things.

      USA is one of THE most capitalist developed countries. Any socialist ideal is nothing more than an illusion--a facade if you will.

      Sivaram Velauthapillai

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    35. Re:Location, Location, Location by afp.matt · · Score: 1

      I've met American people who've been amazed at the distances you can drive in England without seeing green countryside. In the US when you leave a city you can drive for 100 miles and not see another settlement. This is impossible in the UK.

    36. Re:Location, Location, Location by kir · · Score: 1

      . . . yet the fastest downloads I ever saw were on the order of 8 mbps, from an FTP site that was both close (only a few hops away) and had massive bandwidth, the biggest pipes in the whole country.

      That wouldn't happen to be ftp.kddlabs.co.jp, would it? If not, what is it? I'm looking for a nice fat mirror to suck many things from. kddlabs has served me well, but I've recently noticed quite a few mirrors dropping off or not being updated.

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    37. Re:Location, Location, Location by biggknifeparty · · Score: 1

      In Winnipeg it's almost always CDN$1.00 for a game. (about USD$0.78)

    38. Re:Location, Location, Location by mindstrm · · Score: 1

      All of those towns are "close" to the american border when compared with Canada.

      By close, we mean that they aren't, say, anywher near the NWT border, or anywher near the Yukon.

      This has nothing to do with alaska.. the point is, if you are going to compare population density, you can't just take the area of canada / population, it's meaningless. as most of our population IS in a 100km strip across the country.

    39. Re:Location, Location, Location by spitefulcrow · · Score: 1

      I think the point was that the first generation of phone service was the best in the US. And now all that copper needs to be replaced with fiber. And you have to realize that wireless in the US is a completely different situation from wireless services in European countries. Companies have to cover a lot more land for a great deal less people. So the incentive to build enough towers for that quality of service isn't there like you'd have in a densely populated European country. And then there's the whole CDMA vs. GSM issue. You can't buy a phone from one provider and roam onto towers owned by other providers because they don't use the same networks. And even the ones that do use the same technology (AT&T Wireless, T-Mobile, Cingular) charge an arm and a leg for GSM roaming. In short, it's not going to get better here until some mergers and acquisitions happen to consolidate network properties and a single network technology is used (right now Verizon operates a CDMA network, Sprint has a proprietary PCS system, Nextel is on iDEN, and both AT&T and Cingular have both GSM and TDMA networks.)

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    40. Re:Location, Location, Location by Sivaram_Velauthapill · · Score: 1

      I think the original guy is right... he wasn't exactly talking about border towns. Instead he was saying that most of hte population lives close to the US border (and by close we are not talking right next to to). If you look at Canada's map, most people live close to the US border...

      Just check out the link some dude posted above (although he/she was listing something else).

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    41. Re:Location, Location, Location by Ironsides · · Score: 1

      Dam taxes that the Broadband Rollout Initiative keep raising. Cox dropped their prices to $35 a month before a $5 increase in broadband taxes was scheduled. The dam taxes to "Help get broadband out to everyone" keep it just out of price range for most people.

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    42. Re:Location, Location, Location by sixide · · Score: 1

      Isn't that great? Competiton at its best. When all your choices suck, all your choices can afford to suck.

    43. Re:Location, Location, Location by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed, Purchasing Power Parity my friends, a yardstick is the relative cost of a Big Mac from country to country. Or, if your'e a geek, perhaps it's broadband cost?

    44. Re:Location, Location, Location by sixide · · Score: 1

      It could cost them if everbody in Japan with a fat connection started using bittorrent.

    45. Re:Location, Location, Location by w42w42 · · Score: 1

      Maybe not comic books, but how about motorcycles or snowmobiles? I know a few different people here close to Seattle that drive to Canada once every two-three years, buy a new machine, import it to the states - and in the process save 20% or so on the cost. It's marked higher in Canada obviously because of the exchange, but it's not marked high enough to make up the entire difference.

      Typically, after 2-3 years of use, they can sell the machine here used for what it takes to buy another new one out of Canada.

    46. Re:Location, Location, Location by dmccunney · · Score: 1

      The issue isn't how far apart the cities are: it's how far _you_ are from the distribution point. Folks in rural areas tend to be SOL on DSL/cable, because they are too far from a CO for DSL, and to far out to economically string cable for cable modem. If they are lucky, satellite might be an option.

      And pricing is based on perception of what the market will bear. I have cable modem, bundled with other cable TV services like watch-and-record and digital cable. I believe the actual cable modem charges are about $45/month. I also have a DSL line. (It came first because cable wasn't available. When cable became available, I kept the DSL as a high speed backup.) The charges on that were recently reduced to about $30/month.

      Competition is having an effect. Verizon reduced prices and upped speeds because cable was eating them for lunch. Time-Warner Roadrunner recent boosted download speeds from 2MBit/Sec to 3Mbit/Sec as a counter to Verizon, and to Comcast who is doing the same thing.

      Would I like to pay less? Sure. Do I think I'm being charged an outrageous price? Frankly, no. If I thought it was outrageous, I wouldn't pay it, and I'd do without broadband.

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    47. Re:Location, Location, Location by 3NO · · Score: 1

      Of course we do, but the regulatory barriers in the US are most certainly higher.

      Furthermore, while taxes are slightly higher in Canada, the savings for businesses in terms of reduced costs for benefits (healthcare, pension, etc.) makes doing business plus lower wages makes the cost of oding business here cheaper.

      Buzzword for the day: "inshoring".

    48. Re:Location, Location, Location by Mod+Me+God · · Score: 1

      >2 million cities are large, in my book, >6 million and they may be a full fledged metropolis (major city). A major city is one that can contain several different commercial centres, several different cultures intermashing, somewhere no matter what personal beliefs or culture one wishes to adopt they can, where someone can move to a completely different environment but be in the same place. >6 million is not a pre-requisit, but it is rare (San-Fran being one) to find a town/city that can demonstrate this smaller than several million.

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    49. Re:Location, Location, Location by jusdisgi · · Score: 1

      The point isn't so much how far apart the major cities are...America is full of a bunch of small towns dotted everywhere, spread over its whole area. Canada has the vast majority of its people on a few dots, and almost everybody clustered in the south.

      Now, most Americans are still in big cities, so it's an apples-apples comparison, and yes, we (US) are still paying more. But it gets lots, lots worse when you go out into the medium (200k) and smaller cities in the US; I live in one such place, ~75k, and the cheapest you can get any broadband is about $50 (for like 768/128).

      I also work for the smallest ISP in town. We have residential ADSL, starting at 768/128 for $55/m. We still don't make hardly any money on that service, though we do somewhat better on bigger lines, like 1.5/384 ($90, cheapest price in town...hehe), or 768/768 ($135, again cheaper from us than anyone else).

      Sound ridiculous? You bet. A bit of gouging from the LEC might be involved, but their costs are certainly higher here than in bigger markets, and I expect this is mostly the blame. And then of course there's the fact that our aggregate bandwidth is really, really expensive. Like $500/mbps.

      But anyway, point is, once you get off the coasts and away from the major cities, things get really ugly, really fast.

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    50. Re:Location, Location, Location by smartin · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You are so very right (or at least you used to be before the CDN$ started to rise). I'm a Canadian living in the states and have always loved going home because things in Canada are so much cheaper. Case in point, a shirt at the Gap (or where ever) is $29 in Canadan and $29 in the states. Why? because it's what poeple will pay.

      It doesn't always work out that way, the worse case is that you will pay the same price after exchange.

      Unfortunately there is one other thing that you have to consider. The fucking GST, (and PST) so something must be 7-15% cheaper in Canada before it's a bargin.

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    51. Re:Location, Location, Location by thirdrock · · Score: 1

      I would argue there are two reasons broadband is more expensive in the US than in Canada...
      The first is the labor cost....
      The second reason it is more expensive is the regulatory cost of doing business in the US ....


      That's interesting. Do you have any references, internet or otherwise, that I can further research the comparative cost of doing business in both countries?

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    52. Re:Location, Location, Location by gujo-odori · · Score: 1

      As a matter of fact it was. It was just a few hops from my desk, we peered with them in the KDD building in Otemachi :-)

    53. Re:Location, Location, Location by Sentry21 · · Score: 1

      We also only have 1/10th the population, so our population density is waaay lower than the US

      Actually, while this is true nationally, it's not technically correct for the purposes of comparison.

      There are less Canadians per square kilometre than Americans per square km, but the ones that there are are far more concentrated - and yet, are not concentrated in groups as large. To explain:

      Canadians generally crowd in or around large cities (Vancouver, Toronto, Saskatoon, Edmonton), which makes it easier to provide large amounts of people with access at once as compared to if they were spread out more evenly across the country.

      That being said, even the densest clusters pale in comparison. Toronto, Canada's largest city, weighs in at about 4.5 million people, give or take. In contrast, New York, the largest American city, has almost twice that, at 8 million, give or take, and there are very many cities whose populations are also larger than Toronto.

      In these areas, it can be troublesome to upgrade existing infrastructure, because of the density and the need to have a solid system working all the time. More equipment needs to be purchased, because there's just more equipment to be replaced, which can be prohibitively expensive if costs aren't raised.

      Outside of the large centers, the population of the US is spread out considerably in the central plains area, though not dissimilarly to Canada's prarie provinces, which also have cheap broadband.

      I think what it really comes down to is that Americans are just getting fucked by greedy companies, as seems to always be the case. There is no reason that in Calgary, Alberta several years ago, you could get 640k down and 128k up DSL for $40 CDN per month, but in Seattle, Washington, the closest you could get was 512 down, 96k up for $225 USD, other than to screw the early adopters in the hopes that they'd make more money. Since telcos are pretty much unregulated in the US, they seem to have this attitude of 'let's fuck the customer, because there's nowhere to run'. In Canada, however, even the giants of telecom are deathly afraid of the CRTC, and while I believe they are generally not customer-hostile, even if they wanted to be, they wouldn't get away with it long enough to enjoy it.

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    54. Re:Location, Location, Location by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you live in an urban wasteland?

      Charming. I don't think "amazed" is the word I would use. Maybe "disgusted".

      Of course the US is highly unpopulated. It's huge. If you think we're bad, you should see Canada.

    55. Re:Location, Location, Location by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      somewhere no matter what personal beliefs or culture one wishes to adopt they can, [...] (San-Fran being one)

      False. San Francisco is for the rich only. Try adopting "poor culture" there. SF is for rich, smug yuppies.

      Hint: it's not a city if it's all homes for wealthy people.

    56. Re:Location, Location, Location by kir · · Score: 1

      Did you used to work for GOL? Just wondering...

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    57. Re:Location, Location, Location by shepd · · Score: 1

      >I don't think that this works out in many cases. Take the comic book. The typical comic costs only around $2.95 in the US. The exact same comic costs $4.50 in Canada.

      Comic books are an exception to the rule as producers of American magazines (which, I'm pretty sure covers comic books) destined for Canada have to go through horrendous contortions to convince the Canadian government that they may publish in this country. Either that or they must publish a Canadian version of the exact same magazine, blessed by rules similar to the MAPL for music (I might be off on that one).

      The same goes for various other media outlets. Canada is very socialist in what Canadians can and can't see and prices often (but not always -- CDs are an odd exception to this rule) reflect this.

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    58. Re:Location, Location, Location by shepd · · Score: 1

      >About half the people in Canada live in Toronto, Vancouver, and Montreal.

      Why don't you check your latitudes and longitudes there?

      Those cities, compared to the top of Canada (North Pole, although that's debated), you only need to traverse about 5% of Canada to get to them from the US border.

      >You can say that most Canadians live within 3 hours of the United States, but I ask you this, don't most Americans live along the outside of the U.S.?

      Yup. That's because they colonized the nice areas first, of course. Also for defence, I would think. We colonized the borders closest to the US that had *any* amount of water near them. Mostly from the war of 1812, IMHO. How else was Canada expected to fight off the Americans if we didn't set stake on the border towns.

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    59. Re:Location, Location, Location by Dark+Nexus · · Score: 2, Informative
      The Canadian government subsidizes broadband, making it less expensive
      Partially right, ONLY partially right, and a very, very misleading statement.

      The Canadian government started an initiative to make sure that all households in Canada *could* have high speed internet access "by 2004" (this isn't even close to actually happening, from what I've seen).

      It was SUGGESTED that the Canadian Government foot the bill, back in 2002. It seems to have gone to the provincial level since then, and there IS being money given to build infrastructure. For example, $55M over 3 years in Ontario, only for northern and rural communities. Yeah, that's HEAVY funding there...

      This essentially brings the cost of subscribing to broadband in a small community in line with metro centres where the infrastructure already exists.

      This means that if you live in even a remotely sizeable city (100K+ population), you'll never see this affect the cost of broadband access. Probably not even anywhere with 10K+ population, if it's not too far from a larger city.

      And if you do live somewhere that it will affect the cost in, it'll only affect installation cost.

      The Canadian Government does not and never has subsidized the operating costs involved with broadband internet. Same goes for all provincial governments, to my knowledge.
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    60. Re:Location, Location, Location by beakburke · · Score: 1
      "Are you sure? I thought Canada was always way ahead of the states in terms of phone service."

      That's not what the parent was talking about. He is saying the the US was the first country to build out it's phone system, both the landline and the cell phones. The US was an early adopter. As a result the US has 1) An old but cheap and reliable landline system. 2) Lots of competing cell phone/wireless standards. Some of the pricing difference has to do with less competition, some has to do with higher costs of being early adopters (and competing with old but cheep technology), and some has to do with the willingness to pay (Americans are, on average anyway, the wealthiest people in the world.) The combination of all these things is what makes for the current prices in the US.

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    61. Re:Location, Location, Location by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do you get the idea that it doesn't cost you to but bigger pipe's to everyone's door.

      I work for a hosting company, one of our DC routers has a 64Gbit back. Ok, assuming a 40Mbit link so it can take about 1500 customers at 50%. now how much do you think that 64G pipe would be costing.

      Why do you think most major isp's use transparent web proxies ? it's so they don't need a bigger pipe onto the net

    62. Re:Location, Location, Location by Alan+Partridge · · Score: 1

      Damn that BT monopoly! That must be why I use NTL's stand alone cable service, though it's hardly cheap by international standards, it beats BT's crapathon by a margin.

      I pay 24.99 UKP (45.89 USD) PCM for NTL's 600/128 service, though that has been my total outlay - no set up / installation / connection fees at all, and service has been rock solid for 18months. Apparently there is a 30GB/pcm cap on usage but I've never even come close.

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    63. Re:Location, Location, Location by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shit Malaka, I live out in the middle of nowhere in Hokkaido. The other side of the cape still is stuck using ISDN, but here I get my ADSL... fast and it is very very very cheap. Facilitated my personal Japanese premiere of Return of the King several weeks ago.

    64. Re:Location, Location, Location by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Canada the smallest bills are $5 which can be expensive for tipping strippers

    65. Re:Location, Location, Location by los+furtive · · Score: 1

      I think what it really comes down to is that Americans are just getting fucked by greedy companies, as seems to always be the case.

      Yeah, I never said that in my post, but that is my impression as well.

      The rest of my facts were written mainly because they were technically true, and not that they were valid in this argument. What can I say, it made for lots of interesting replies ;-)

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    66. Re:Location, Location, Location by bofkentucky · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Let me go on record that of my three months of working in shipping at a magazine plant, the days when we handled canadian mail were the absolute worst. For US mail, we sorted mail by bundle and pallet, for canadian, we sorted by pallets of some of the nastiest canvas bags I have ever seen in my entire life. Empty, the bags weighed in ~15 pounds, plus up to 50 pounds of magazines, but in most cases, you put one or 2 mags in a bag, tagged it and threw it on a pallet. So its 90-105 degrees, you've got a machine shoving 10000 loose magazines an hour at you and you have to sort their mail down by zip code (its canadian equivalent). When we dealt with US bag mail, we had lightweight plastic jobs that were absolutely perfect, and shock shock, would lay flat so your Esquire or Brides didn't come in mangled. Canada Post sucks!

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    67. Re:Location, Location, Location by poofyhairguy82 · · Score: 1
      You:So what good does 40 megabit DSL do you if no FTP site will serve you at more than 8 - 10 mbps, and there are very few even of those?

      Me looks at my current bittorrent download of 300kbs a second (which I was proud of till now) on the best plan my cable company offers!

      Me cries

    68. Re:Location, Location, Location by themusicgod1 · · Score: 1

      i pay 25 for 128KB/s (yes 1024kbit) cable. which works out to what, 17$ usd?

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    69. Re:Location, Location, Location by deathmolor · · Score: 1

      You bunch of American ignorant pricks.

      MY TAXES ARE WAY BETTER THEN YOURS

      My parents are American and live in the states and their taxes at 10% higher on average then mine. Sales taxes are the same and fuel is cheaper in Canada. We pay for all our "socialist" programs and manage not to tax the hell out of our people and go into masive debt like your country. You Don't have a figging clue what the hell your talking about.

    70. Re:Location, Location, Location by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      " Any socialist ideal is nothing more than an illusion--a facade if you will."

      That's why I love this place ....

    71. Re:Location, Location, Location by instarx · · Score: 1

      That's about the dumbest rationale I have ever heard. The cost of the wire is one of the least important factors in determining broadband cost.

    72. Re:Location, Location, Location by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you cap your bittorrent uploads to be slightly less than the physical limit of your upload? I have 10mbit down, 16KB/sec up cable (I don't really know the actual downlink speed, but I've seen 800k / sec from ftp), and if I don't cap bittorrent's upload at 12k / sec I don't see more than about 200k/sec download, while with the cap in place I've seen up to 500k/sec download.

      TCP is a good protocol, but the ACK's can cost you if your pipe is saturated.

    73. Re:Location, Location, Location by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      socialism
      1. Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.
      2. The stage in Marxist-Leninist theory intermediate between capitalism and communism, in which collective ownership of the economy under the dictatorship of the proletariat has not yet been successfully achieved.

      Whether a government is socialist or not depends on how much is state-owned. You can have government-regulated and funded private healthcare, which would not be socialist. I'm not aware enough of how canada's system works to make an opinion on whether it is socialist or not.

      The reality is that canada uses the common western model of regulated capitalism. That is, they let the free market decide in the majority of cases, and step in where it breaks down (and it does break down, regardless of what liberals like to believe, because the free market is inherently unstable). This makes canada not socialist, although you might get away with saying they have socialist tendencies interspersed in their capitalism.

      These are the economic definitions. Most people consider socialism as "putting the common good before the individual good", but in that case the opposite of socialism is not capitalism, but liberalism (which aims to prefer the individual good at all costs). The US is neither socialist nor liberalist, but Canada is neither as well. (Pure socialism and pure liberalism can not survive when in competition with regulated captalism.)
    74. Re:Location, Location, Location by Blingin'+AMD · · Score: 1

      Ah, negative. Verizon DSL is $50 a month here in Orlando (where I attend UCF) as opposed to $40 (and used to be $35 with IJ until they were bought out) where my home is in New Port Richey (South of here, N of Tampa, on the Gulf) and even more expensive in Tampa. (reaching nearly $60/mo in urban areas) I don't know about your neck of the woods, but it seems to be more expensive the denser the population.

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    75. Re:Location, Location, Location by Sithgunner · · Score: 1

      I live in Japan and I tell you how fast the FTTH can be.

      For your reference, using NTT, you pay about 5000 yen/month for FTTH service, and pay extra for ISP, of which mine is a cheap one (500 yen/month). I get the 100Mbps service, but that value is just a logical assumption and no way close to that of the actual speed, so you have to make it about 60 to 50 % of it in the first place, and you get not only yourself using the same ISP line, so you get even less but not like 8-10Mbps.

      I have FTTH to my place, and another house and I can transfer files at a speed of 32Mbps or more. And if I use my university bigger line, of which is geographically closer, it can go up to 40Mbps download and upload.

      Of course you usually don't get this speed to any servers, but it's not like it's totally capped under 10Mbps if your connection has the bandwidth.

      I was using ADSL(1.5Mbps), which was costing me somewhat similar to now, before this and could only push it up to 0.5Mbps, and it was a huge increase in speed without much increase in the monthly fee. It's not like a crappy service that you think. =)

    76. Re:Location, Location, Location by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      THE FACTS
      1.Canadian Broadband is not govt subsidized. It's simply sold to the Canadian resident with no attempt to make much of a profit.
      2. Reason why US broadband so expensive: the capital cost of building telco networks is so damn high - a real barrier to market entry - that you don't (and won't ever) get proper market competition. In this kind of industry a monopoly is frankly more efficient (less duplication of resources, etc) and if your going to have a monopoly you're better off with a govt one (as long as it's sensibly managed) than a single private company whose obligation to shareholders is to charge what the market can bear.

    77. Re:Location, Location, Location by Ex-MislTech · · Score: 1

      SBC DSL is $26/ a month for now, it's a promotion, but it is
      not that expensive .

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    78. Re:Location, Location, Location by andmalc · · Score: 1

      You guys are saying 'socialist' like that's a bad thing. As long as there's freedom and choice, people can decide that they want to pool their resources (i.e. taxes) to increase their buying power. I'd rather get my services as a citizen than as a customer. Do you know what I mean?

    79. Re:Location, Location, Location by CorporateIdiot · · Score: 1

      You don't have a figgin clue about Canada either, you jerk! You don't think we have a high debt load, think again buddy! Due to socialist mismanagement and high taxes foisted upon us by increasingly out of touch governments the debt in this country is out of control. To show you how stupid it is living in Canada, every time there is a surplus people discuss ways of spending it rather than giving it back to the people who paid it in the first place, the poor taxpayer!

    80. Re:Location, Location, Location by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I pay $28.25CDN for 1728Kbps down/384Kbps up, which would be around $19 US. That's in Toronto.

    81. Re:Location, Location, Location by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      You guys are saying 'socialist' like that's a bad thing. As long as there's freedom and choice, people can decide that they want to pool their resources (i.e. taxes) to increase their buying power. I'd rather get my services as a citizen than as a customer. Do you know what I mean?

      Well said.

      A lot of people try to make it sound like the government takes tax money and make a big bonfire out of it.

      They don't. Instead they use it to do stuff that needs to be done.

      We recently "deregulated" electricity where I live. Translation: whereas there used to be a single regulated company that made electricity and delivered it to me, under heavy public scrutiny, now there's an extra layer of scam artists inbetween who "resell" the electricity under endlessly bizarre contracts.

      And so everybody's bills have gone up, because there's now another middleman in the previously short supply chain. Brilliant.

    82. Re:Location, Location, Location by ErikZ · · Score: 1

      You only pull from one site at a time? How strange.

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    83. Re:Location, Location, Location by gujo-odori · · Score: 1

      Everybody with a fat connection, whether here, there, or anywhere else, will start using bit torrent when pigs fly. Bit torrent is very useful thing, but most people don't use it and most people never will.

      If pigs did fly, and everybody used bit torrent, and the flight of pigs made unlimited transfer uneconomical, you could expect to see transfer limits imposed, or possibly throttling of bit torrent.

      Also, it's not unusual for the terms of service, there or here, to prohibit the operation of servers in consumer DSL pools. Bit Torrent would certainly qualify as such, and some providers might enforce that provision against it. They don't have to do anything to people running it, just block or severely throttle torrents, and the problem will be contained.

      I'm not saying I like those solutions, but I consider them likely.

    84. Re:Location, Location, Location by gujo-odori · · Score: 1

      I thought I'd already covered that in my original post, but I'll revisit it in case of lack of clarity. It's a three-part answer (part three may be semi-new):

      Part One: In the real world, you may have a 40 megabit local loop, but as I explained, nowhere are you going to get 40 megabits down of transfer, and if you do, it'll be a very short burst. You could slurp a whole ISO in about 2 minutes.

      Part Two: I was also referring to the telco's cost. The local loop they run your DSL connection over is the same one whether it's
      1.5 megabit or 40 megabit. That leaves them with no significant cost difference, and it's not their pipe out.

      Part Three: the fact that the ISP pricing is the same means that they obviously think it's not going to cost them anymore. Having seen the numbers when 8 megabit DSL became available in Japan, and how it had no significant effect bandwidth requirements as compared to when it was all 1.5 megabit, I think they are right in believing that.

    85. Re:Location, Location, Location by Keybase · · Score: 1

      Health Care too. It is my understanding that the U.S. spends about the same per capita on public health care as Canada, plus a similar amount is spent on private health care. The difference is that in Canada everyone gets the benefit of the public system.

      Sorry I don't remember sources.

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    86. Re:Location, Location, Location by minasoko · · Score: 1
      Our broadband is so expensive/poor because BT have a monopoly, and generally appear to sit around twiddling their thumbs as opposed to doing anything.

      Yes, it certainly seems that way sometimes. They're getting there though, I've several friends living way out in the styx who've had their exchanges DSL-enabled recently.

      BT set up a system, whereby they invite people living in certain non-DSL areas to register their interest in the service. A trigger level is set of say, 500 registrations and if the level is reached, the exchange is enabled and DSL service offered.

      I pay 50 GBP/month (92 USD, 72 Euro) with no set-up fee for a 256/1024Kb/s ADSL line. It's not the cheapest I could have got, but I opted for a 20:1 contention line as opposed to the 50:1 standard choice. This seems to help as I get top speed at all times of day or night.

      My ISP's prices start at 22.50 GBP/month (41 USD, 32 Euro) for a standard 256/512Kb. This is pretty typical of UK ISPs entry-level pricing and services for home users generally go up to 256/2Mb in bandwidth.

    87. Re:Location, Location, Location by allanj · · Score: 1

      Canadian citizens have to pay taxes to support their socialist government
      Right...socialist. And of course where you live every road is a pay road, every service is a user-pay (fire call -- pay up. Need police services? Better have your chequebook!), and the government is minimalist -- anything else is socialist.

      I would have thought that Canadians of all people would know this basic fact: Most (but not all) americans know nothing of socialism (or any other form of government) and just have the media-induced "not american" => "socialist" implication instead of knowledge. Sad, really.

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    88. Re:Location, Location, Location by Wolfrider · · Score: 1

      >Take the comic book. The typical comic costs only around $2.95 in the US. The exact same comic costs $4.50 in Canada. 4.50 Canada Dollars = 3.55 United States Dollars

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    89. Re:Location, Location, Location by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some things work that way, others don't. For instance, if I go to McDonalds in the States and get a McMeal, it costs me about $7. If I get the same one in Canada, it costs me about $7. But if I am buying something like a book or soemthing else were a larger percent of the price is the raw material manufacturing cost, then the US price is going to be lower than the Canadian price. Usually the thing s that are sold by pricepoint are 'services' (help desk, somebody frying your burgger, etc), not goods, because they are easier to inflate. Makes you wonder about CDs and DVDs.

  5. You're lucky by Rotiahn · · Score: 2, Informative

    Its $60 here for a cable modem. Probably has something to do with DSL not being available? :-P

    1. Re:You're lucky by Rotiahn · · Score: 1

      I suppose I should specify where I am: Topsfield, MA

    2. Re:You're lucky by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What country is MA? Morocco, Africa?

  6. Vancouver Area Here by Nexzus · · Score: 5, Informative

    Telus Basic residential DSL. 150K down, 50K up. $34.95 Canadian per month. (Plus basic phone line, $22 Cdn per month)

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    1. Re:Vancouver Area Here by GoatEnigma · · Score: 1
      Yeah, but the great thing is that Telus is subsidizing a DSL revolution. I'm getting DSL for $17 a month for my first six months, and after that it goes to $34.95 a month.

      However, one of my co-workers is also on Telus, and his six month period just ended, so guess what he did? Phoned them up and threatened to switch back to Shaw cable internet. They gave him another 6 months! They're trying to drive Shaw off the market...(which of course would have horrible consequences in the long term.)

    2. Re:Vancouver Area Here by FFFish · · Score: 1

      Are you sure it's 150k? Mine's 1.5M.

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    3. Re:Vancouver Area Here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, mine is at LEAST 1.5M and I have the same service.

    4. Re:Vancouver Area Here by Sentry21 · · Score: 1

      In Abbotsford, I went with Shaw Cable. I don't know what they're like now, but my pings to a server hosted in Harbour Centre were about 7-11ms 6 hops (no joke) and I was getting 300-550kbyte/s (again, unbelievable) from another server there.

      The cost was $40/month minus discounts for our package deal, and we got 512k up, 2.5mbit down (though it was actually unmetered), unlimited upload/download, email, webhosting if you wanted it (good for hosting tarballs and kernel compiles for people). Not to mention my routes around the world were astronomical. I applied my Linux box to several IRC networks to see what the dilly-o, and I got better pings and routes than most of their colocated servers did. Pretty amazing, I found.

      When I move back to Vancouver, I'm definitely going to give them a try again.

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  7. Isle of Man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Isle of Man, DSL is about 15 pounds per month including VAT. I guess that works out about 27USD. I think that's 512/256 kbps

    1. Re:Isle of Man by Mod+Me+God · · Score: 1

      In London I have 512/256 (had similar for 2 years) through Demon.co.uk who are great as they don't block ports like BT broadband. Cost is around GBP20 (= USD56 at Friday's exchange rate (GBP1~=USD1.8), though because the US economy is entering the craps the exchange rate is a record low over the past few years). 512/256 is not fast enough for a decent server but easily enough for fast surfing and batching up downloads. I presently transfer ~1 GB/day, mainly downstream, never had a word of complaint or warning.

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    2. Re:Isle of Man by Mod+Me+God · · Score: 1

      GBP20 = USD36, not USD56. Typo.

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    3. Re:Isle of Man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In London I have 512/256 (had similar for 2 years) through Demon.co.uk who are great as they don't block ports like BT broadband.

      I don't think that Manx net (main provider on Isle of Man) have ever blocked ports completely but they were throttling some of them pretty harshly at one point. I think they've given up now. I would imagine that everyone just switched to using different ports while it was happening.

  8. bleh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    $58 for 112 kbit up/2.6 Mbit cable down near Winchester, VA.

  9. New York Region by leibnizme · · Score: 1

    A monthly Internet access bill for cable runs $44.95 here in Poughkeepsie, New York. That includes a discount for having a cable TV subscription. Being 90 minutes from NYC certainly doesn't drive our costs down... From talking to people at work, the average DSL price is around $39 per month.

    1. Re:New York Region by ambienceman · · Score: 1

      Vassar is the place; I go there to party once in a while. I'm surprised that they have DSL up there. What about cable?

    2. Re:New York Region by spitefulcrow · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I've got Optimum Online from Cablevision too. $44.95 for 10Mbps/1Mbps with crap DNS/email/Usenet servers. Cable plant issues too, I just got my service back this morning after a day and a half outage due to a bad line amp. However, that's the first extended outage I've had, and the 10Mbps pipe is great.

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  10. upstate New York by plnrtrvlr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    $44 a month for Road-Runner and $48 for DSL from Citizens Telecom.... I'd say that aren't even using vaseline.

  11. Rogers cable, Toronto (Canada) by alexre1 · · Score: 1

    I pay $40/month CAD for 3MB down / 500kbps up cable connection. (In reality, its more like 2.4MB down). We get business DSL at work from Advantage Internet (www.aibn.com) for something like $80 per month, but it is bundled with some other services. This connection is 1MB down (I'm not sure what the upload bandwidth is). Alex

  12. In the UK by 26199 · · Score: 4, Informative

    In the UK there are basically two options:

    NTL (cable)

    150kbits; 18GBP/month = 33USD/month

    600kbits; 25GBP/month = 46USD/month

    1000kbits; 35GBP/month = 64USB/month

    BT (ADSL)

    500kbits; 23GBP/month = 42USD/month

    In all cases upstream is worse than downstream; on NTL it's only 120kbits on the 600kbits option, I'm not sure about the others. With BT you get 250kbits upstream.

    BT also supply office connections, you can look up the numbers for those if you're interested ;-)

    1. Re:In the UK by jo_ham · · Score: 1

      I'm using NTL's 600/128 cable package because it's the only option in my area and it's pretty good for 25 quid a month.

      BT isn't the only DSL provider, although most require that you have a BT landline to use them.

      Thus: cost of BT line 29 per quarter, plus cost of DSL provider. Note that BT's own costs don't include line rental - it's extra.

      I paid 23 per month ($30) for 512/256 DSL in London from Pipex, who were extremely good to me. I'd have used them in a heartbeat if my new house was in a DSL-capable area. At the time, BT wanted a lot more than 23 a month for similar speeds (any by all accounts from friends who used them, really poor service).

    2. Re:In the UK by 26199 · · Score: 1

      Hmm, I thought all the other DSL 'providers' were just resellers for BT?

    3. Re:In the UK by samjam · · Score: 4, Informative

      The 25GBP price
      600kbits; 25GBP/month = 46USD/month

      Is I believe dependant on receiving an extra service, either telephone or cable-tv from NTL.
      Certainly the same applies to telewest area but I believe that NTL and Telewest are now merged.

      I had to pay 30GBP per month for the 600K service because I didn't want another service.

      ALSO: NTL, at least around the Leicester area seem to block by default many ports; someone I know had to run VNC server on an unusually low port in order to be able to get incoming connections.

      Also, not all ADSL are the same; a few offer fixed IP addresses, and some dont put any kind of artificial restriction on service use. Telewest on the other hand prohibited running public servers or using the connection for VPN in to corporate network when I last heard.

      Sam

    4. Re:In the UK by jo_ham · · Score: 1

      If they were then either BT really overcharges its customers for the service, or Pipex was taking huge losses.

      You did need a BT line to use the service, and BT owns all the exchanges and all the DSLAMs and so on. I think they're prohibited from keeping competition out of contention by leveraging their hardware monopoly though.

    5. Re:In the UK by grahamsz · · Score: 2, Informative

      Other options round here - of course none *actually* here.

      BT (Wireless)

      11Mbit shared

      Similar to their ADSL pricing I believe - though it's only in trial.

      Telewest/Blueyonder (Cable)

      1Mbit/256kbit = $64 (GBP 35)

      Scottish Hydro (IPoverPower)

      2Mbit/2Mbit = $55 USD/month (GBP 30)

      Ednet (SDSL)

      2.3Mbit/2.3Mbit = $550 (GBP 299)

    6. Re:In the UK by TehHustler · · Score: 1

      *BZZZT* telewest cable as well, so three.

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    7. Re:In the UK by grahamsz · · Score: 1

      The majority of the DSL providers aren't quite BT resellers but the last mile is operated by BT so you have to put up with their problems.

      There are a few like ednet who take advantage of local loop unbundling to put their own systems in BT's exchanges - allowing them to offer SDSL and similar.

    8. Re:In the UK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      I did a bit more research on pricing/speed awhile ago comparing the US with the UK's main providers.

      Here in the UK we really get shafted on speed, the price of our 512k pretty much equals the price of US 2mb. I understand the average American connection is 2mb, in the UK the average is 512k/128k down (256k down for ADSL).

      American 2mb - 30 GBP/month
      UK 512k - 25 GBP/month
      Blueyonder 2mb - 80 GBP/month
      BT 2mb - 150 GBP/month
      Nildram 2mb - 70 GBP/month
      Demon 2mb - 70 GBP/month
      OneTel 2mb - 80 GBP/month

    9. Re:In the UK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are other options as well, for instance I've had no problems whatsoever and great service from Bulldog. For 38GBP/month you get 2Mbps. The also have stuff like Prime Time which is 2Mbps 6pm-8am and 512Kbps otherwise for 30 GBP.

    10. Re:In the UK by Elphin · · Score: 1

      You don't need to take any other services from NTL for the 25/month package.

      I've not found any port restrictions myself, I've successfully run a variety of services off my connection, including VNC.

    11. Re:In the UK by payndz · · Score: 1
      Bear in mind that the USD prices have recently been seriously affected by the plummeting dollar. (Which is why I intend to change some money into $ next week for an as yet unscheduled holiday, simply because the rates are so much in my favour and I was planning to go anyway.)

      Only a couple of months ago, the 18/month figure worked out at just $27/month rather than $33/month. Nothing's changed over here in terms of cost apart from the exchange rate.

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    12. Re:In the UK by MrAngryForNoReason · · Score: 1

      Almost everything with Ntl depends on when you signed up. They are a proud member of the 'Offer vast discounts to new customers whilst screwing over all the people you have on contract already' club. And they prevent you from canceling and resigning every time they do a new offer by forcing you to agree to a minimum 12 months contract.

    13. Re:In the UK by Spad · · Score: 1

      Blueyonder's 2Mb is only 60 GBP/month, 55 with another service.

    14. Re:In the UK by jrumney · · Score: 1
      BT (Wireless)
      11Mbit shared
      Similar to their ADSL pricing I believe

      BT's wireless pricing is a joke. 6 quid/hour or 15/day for casual use, 85/month for an unlimited subscription. They also have other subscription options with limited minutes then 20p/minute if you go over. They seem to be treating it like a phone line with all that per minute and hourly usage crap.

    15. Re:In the UK by grahamsz · · Score: 1

      Perhaps we are talking about different BT services.

      I'm talking about fixed wireless as a last mile home broadband solution. They are trialling that in Ballingry which is very near me and a relatively impoverished area - i doubt they'd have many takers there for a 85 quid a month!

      http://www.itweek.co.uk/News/1151646

      It seems to be being billed as an ADSL equivilent for rural areas... so i presumed similar pricing.

    16. Re:In the UK by Psychotext · · Score: 1

      Actually, I have cancelled my NTL subscription a number of times before the 12 months were up. There are many loopholes in the contracts, but one of the more simple ways of doing it is to say you are moving to an area they don't service.

      Personally I've always been pretty happy with them though.

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    17. Re:In the UK by jez9999 · · Score: 1

      There's also Telewest, for people in the Telewest cable franchise areas, and a whole host of other ADSL providers that use infrastucture that was formally BT's, and the last mile of phone cable that BT has to offer tham a good deal on reselling.

      Although someone said we get shafted on transfer speeds compared to America (which is somewhat true), none of our decent ADSL resellers implement monthly data transfer caps. I'd far rather have a 512k/256k ADSL service with unlimited transfer and no worrying about going over the limit than a 2mbit service with a measly 10 gigs per month.

      I personally go with Zen Internet, who are a damn reliable ISP and give me 512k/256k ADSL for around 25GBP per month.

      I'd specifically recomment *against* going with BTopenworld... they incorrectly closed my account, and then had the audacity to charge me an early account closure fee, because of the fact that they have a ludicrous 12 month minimum term contract for their ADSL service, where nearly every other ADSL provider has 1 month minimum term. It was settled with them paying 300GBP to me in compensation. I've also heard other nasties about BTopenworld, ie. they might be implementing monthly data caps (yuk!) and blocking ports. Americans might be used to this kind of BS from their monopolistic cable companies, but that doesn't mean it's something people should have to put up with.

      Listings and reviews of other BT ADSL providers can be found at ADSLguide.

    18. Re:In the UK by cs02rm0 · · Score: 1

      You can cut at least 4GBP off the 500k with www.plus.net - and for everyone else you refer to them you get 50p a month off that.

      ...just put eldertree in the referrer box when you sign up ;)

    19. Re:In the UK by CowboyBob500 · · Score: 1

      I personally go with Zen Internet, who are a damn reliable ISP and give me 512k/256k ADSL for around 25GBP per month.

      I'll second that. I've got their business broadband package Office 1000 where I get lower contention, static IP, etc etc for GBP58 a month with no connection fee. I've not had ANY downtime from them and their customer support is second to none. If you compare the equivalent package from BT you'll see that it's GBP100 plus a GBP260 connection fee - Openworld 1000Plus.

      Bob

    20. Re:In the UK by Silburn_Luke · · Score: 1

      Bulldog seems to be have one of the best higher speed pricing schemes; UKP34-58 for their various 2MB packages and with a 6MB package for UKP99 (if you're happy with being throttled back to 0.5MB during office hours).

      Unfortunately their best packages are restricted to the London area and their after-sales service appears to be pretty dismal at present so in the end I've gone for Nildram's thirty quid 0.5MB basic package (~USD55 given the current low dollar).

      It should be activating next week, which is nice.

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  13. Here's a site by tyrani · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://www.broadbandreports.com/ It has prices and speed statistics from people who test their machines.

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  14. Southern ontario by 3NO · · Score: 1

    Around here, as in most major canadian centres, there is good competition between the phone company (DSL) and cable. I'm paying 35$cdn/month for DSL without any monthly limits. (You can pay more if you want the faster connection, which some of my gamers tend to use.) Cable is equally cheap, but only if you also buy cable TV from the company - otherwise you pay a bit more.

    How much does it cost in the US?

  15. It depends on the service... by bc90021 · · Score: 1

    ...for instance, I pay much more than most people, as I require SDSL for hosting. In fact, on the occasions that I tell people what I pay, the shock on their face is priceless. However, when I explain to them that their cable upload speed is 96k, and that mine is 8.5 times that, it makes a little more sense to them.

    Cable around here (NY suburbs) runs about $40-$50 per month, and ADSL is about the same. SDSL can run from that to $399, and a T1 costs about $500 a month.

    1. Re:It depends on the service... by EinarH · · Score: 1
      So true. I pay $150 for a 1024/1024 kbps SDSL line and although that is quite a bit more than the $49 ADSL offerings floating around it's worth every dollar for me.

      -Not guaranteed uptime but the line almost never goes down; 15 min downtime the last six months
      -My own IP
      -No restrictions on servers
      -No download or upload limits.
      -I can talk to a real tech person.
      -Low latency, max 25 ms.

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    2. Re:It depends on the service... by Zalgon+26+McGee · · Score: 1

      What a rip-off. For $129 CAD (around $100 USD) I can get business 3.5/800 ADSL, no PPPoE, five static IPs, no server restrictions, only bandwidth restriction is that you can't constantly saturate the link between noon and midnight.

      Or, for $99 CAD (around $78 USD) you're limited to 60Gb/month.

      http://www.istop.com/business.html

      US prices are crimial extortion.

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  16. canada pricing by xhawk · · Score: 0

    i manage an office in toronto, ontario that pays $385/mo for adsl (4.1mbps down). what provider are _you_ using??

    1. Re:canada pricing by perlchild · · Score: 1

      Sounds like the prices round here too(Montreal) companies just pay more in Canada, it seems.

  17. Ireland by skaap · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Broadband is pretty new to Ireland, and is naturally quite expensive, although, where I live, in a small town, a local person has provided a cable internet service, until recently I was paying around 60euro per month for a service varying between 256k and 512k.
    It's now up to 70euro a month, but my provider upgraded my link to nearly 3mbit/s.

    I think i'm getting my moneys worth now.

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    1. Re:Ireland by ashkar · · Score: 1

      I feel really bad for all you Irish. My mother lived there for about 3-4 years, and she would always complain about the per minute billing of the phone companies over there (in the US we have free local on our landlines). I always hated visiting her because of this. BTW, this was in Dungarvan, County Waterford.

      Could someone explain the reasons the telcos in Ireland and many other countries give to justify pay-per-minute local calls?

    2. Re:Ireland by skaap · · Score: 1

      As far as I'm aware, eircom bill their customers with a per-second billing model, with a minimum call charge of roughly 5c.

      and yes, Dungarvan, Co. Waterford is where I live.

      On a different note, both esat & eircom now provide a flatrate internet access charge including the telephone call.

      With regards to telephone calls, esat has just released a flatrate charge for all local & national calls for a reasonable fee.

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    3. Re:Ireland by lotas · · Score: 1

      im on NTL ireland. cable modem is only 40EUR a month here. DSL pricing range. they start at about 40EUR from Esat, but you have to sign up for one of there telephony packages.

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    4. Re:Ireland by aldoman · · Score: 1

      IMO, it's only the US that provides flat fee calls, until recently (2-3years)

      However, BT here in the UK started offering flat rate phone calls for 6.50GBP/month ontop of line rental for evening and weekends, and all day for 10GBP/month.

      Now that voice calls have became so cheap, BT charges 6p/hour (11cents or something?) on the normal package for local calls so it's not much of an issue now, at least in the UK

    5. Re:Ireland by jawtheshark · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Because it is how it has always been working. You pay for usage. Besides, why would you think you are entitled to free local calls? You use their infrastructure whilst calling, you are using a service, you pay for it.

      I do remember though that in my country local calls tended to be a about 0,13Euro per hour. Nearly as good as free. The drawback was that after an hour of calling your line got disconnected and you needed to call again. This was back in the 80ties.

      Look, I can inverse your statement: "I cannot understand that a cellphone user has to pay for incoming calls in the US". That would be a lie of course because I know why this is so. You see, that is a direct consequence of having free local calls. US consumers were used to not paying for local calls and with the advent of cellphones it became impossible to see the difference between a local number and a cell. Somebody had to bear the costs and it were the cellphone users. (Why in the US they didn't allocate a specific block for cellphones is beyond me, but it might have technical reasons).

      Of course you can say "Yes, but with my cellphone plan I get 300 free minutes a month, so I don't have to care about incoming calls". Really depends how much that base plan is. My cellphone bills average 5 to 10 Euro per month for low level usage. Why? Because I have a free base-pack and only pay for the calls I make (no, it's not a prepaid card, it's a real subscription and I have to pay them per month)

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    6. Re:Ireland by swb · · Score: 1

      Free local service is a bit of a red herring in the US. In many cases, the cost of delivering the service is higher than the amount paid for it, especially for heavy users. It also contributes to the often inexplicably complicated and expensive telco billing for business services, as they subsidize a lot of the residential services.

      I can't say I'm glad we don't have it, since it would only be inexplicably more expensive than it is now (kind of a Murphy's law situation), but it would be nice if we could wipe the slates clean and require telco services to actually have something to do with what it costs to deliver the service, and not some bizarre, tarrif-mandated, cross-subsidized, loss-leader pricing like we have now.

    7. Re:Ireland by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I lived in Ireland last year and signed up to Esat's business 512k package which was launched where I lived (galway) just after I got there. It then took me 3 months before they actually installed it. It cost EUR 110 (including VAT - thats sales ta x to americans ) plus something like EUR 150 for the installation. When I tried to cancel they cut me off a month early, reconnected me after 2 weeks of constant phone calls only for them to then deny all knowledge of my cancellation request when the real time came. For EUR 110 per month I really expected better customer service!

    8. Re:Ireland by elvum · · Score: 1

      I've never heard of unmetered calls being offered anywhere outside the US, although I'm sure there are places. Certainly I can't think of any countries in Europe where this is offered.

    9. Re:Ireland by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Last I was in New Zealand they had unlimited local calls.

    10. Re:Ireland by karit · · Score: 1

      Local calling in NZ is free by law. When the government sold off Telecom they said they had to provide free local calling.

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    11. Re:Ireland by bfree · · Score: 1

      Ireland has had the chance of widespread competitive bandwidth wiped out by an incompetent government!

      The Irish national telephone network (Telecom Eireann) was planned for a big floatation as a public company, but first the semi-state company Cablelink (which had purchased over half the cable tv licenses in the country) was also to be sold off. To absolutely insure the maximum government revenue (or directors or someones), Cablelink rolled out a Cable modem trial and proceeded to manage to get the highest price per subscriber for a cable tv network anywhere in the world from NTL. Now NTLs problems worldwide are not because they bought Cablelink, but it sure didn't help as they are now sitting on a network, desperatley trying to extract more cash with a "digital" service (more crap channels, no digital advantages) and have done nothing as far as cable modems are concerned. End result, there is effectively no cable modem service in Ireland (NTL did roll out a cable modem service, but my attempts to find out where it was available led me to believe it probably covered less than 250 houses). Once NTL had handed over the astronomical amount of cash for Cablelink, the next scam started, selling Telecom Eireann.

      First thing the name changed to Eircom and then every bank in the country was giving anyone who wanted it 1500 to buy their allotment of shares. The initial price was high, went up a little for a few days and then dropped leaving huge sections of the country sitting on shares they were down on. Then the mobile division was sold off to Vodafone, and now people had 2 sets of shares doing nothing for them, and ultimately Eircom was bought out into a private company leaving most people down on the deal. You know how much it stinks when one of the countrys most senior politicians (Dick Spring) who was sitting on the board of Eircom didn't buy any shares himself cause "he didn't have the funds" (though maybe the banks have sense and know a politician is not the sort to lend cash to). The bottom line being that broadband in Ireland was shelved until all this was dealt with and eventually ADSL appeared (well Eircom had been using various DSL technologies to deliver lines already, but they were all leased lines at leased line prices). Eircom had a complete monopoly on the capacity in the market (you were unlikely to be able to avoid giving them your cash indirectly no matter what you did) and had gone from a national owned company to a private company without any real changes to ensure fairness in the market. They released ADSL only after about 3 years of messing around in courts and only when they were already over 2 years late in "unbundling the local loop". End result is that now the country is actually being split between Eircom and Esat to enable DSL in exchanges and finally provide something bearing resemblence to a nationwide broadband network. ADSL will set you back from 45+ depending on the service you want, but as far as I am aware their is only one company who is offering an unmetered service at anything like that level. With Eircom you would have to pay about 160/month to get a 1mbit uncapped line, on any of the other lines they reserve the right to charge 30/Gbyte with limits of 3-6Gbytes/month! They can get away with all of this as the competition is leased lines, ISDN or Wireless (which are slowly springing up).

      For me the bottom line is that Ireland will remain a backwater until NTL do something or get the hell out of the country and let someone else use the network they are squating on, the only network that can really show Eircom what competition is about! Thankfully my RADSL 512:128@48:1 (costing 45+VAT with Static IP and no service limitations) performs magically, though every day I expect my 50+kbyte/s download speed to divide by 10, and that I will have to go and look for yet another service (next stop would be satellite + DSL or just wireless).

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  18. pricing by ir0b0t · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The rural mountainous states in the US are less populated and tougher to cover with access. An analog to the Tennessee Valley Authority (rural electrification in the US) is needed to spread the cost for the public benefit of universal access. And before *that* can happen the political culture in the US probably needs to . . . er, change some.

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    1. Re:pricing by sql*kitten · · Score: 1

      to spread the cost for the public benefit of universal access.

      I would be very interested to see if there is any hard evidence that it is a "public benefit". I mean, would it be a "public" benefit" if the government subsidized every household having a PlayStation?

      It's like computers in schools. Sure, they sound like a good idea, but as Clifford Stoll observes between the ages of 6 and 16, computers are actually bad for education, because they divert time and resources away from real learning... it's as if astronomy students spent all their time studying telescopes and none on actual stars.

    2. Re:pricing by ir0b0t · · Score: 1

      I hate to admit it, but I might have to agree with you about that. Wiring for net access is *not* necessarily the same as wiring up the rural south with electricity.

      On a bad day --- and we sometimes seem to be having more of those --- the prospect of wiring the entire country (and beyond) with net access looks like the unholy panopticon love child of Margaret Atwood and Michel Foucault while John Stuart Mill takes pictures.

      If it were not for my discovery of the open source movement, I would little political hope at all on this point.

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  19. RoadRunner - NorthEast Ohio by DJenk47 · · Score: 1

    I just got my bill today, how timely.
    I'm paying $44.95/month for internet access for 1 IP addy. But what Time Warner doesn't know about my network can't hurt me yet.

    If I was still in school (UAkron), Time Warner has some deal where students get it for $20/month.

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  20. Northern Virginia by theNote · · Score: 1

    Cox Cable
    3mbps
    $50

    1. Re:Northern Virginia by frdmfghtr · · Score: 1

      Comcast is similar here in Alexandria, VA...I pay about $45/month for a 2Mbps cable connection including cable modem rental.

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    2. Re:Northern Virginia by mlv_99 · · Score: 1

      Verizon DSL $34.99

  21. Curitiba, BRAZIL by EduardoFonseca · · Score: 1

    Here my 256k ADSL costs R$ 70/per month, something like US$ 23 per month.

  22. landline requirement by jchristopher · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Here in California, Verizon will not sell you DSL unless you also subscribe to voice service. I feel my DSL is fairly priced at $34 (for 768k service), but the requirement to have a voice line ($18 at least, if not more) makes it a much poorer value.

    Is it like this everywhere? Anyway to get around this requirement? Like many folks, I use cellular exclusively, so it sucks to have to pay for a landline every month just to get broadband.

    1. Re:landline requirement by swordgeek · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's illegal in Canada. The companies can offer promotions, but they can't refuse to sell you one type of service unbundled from another one. Here the broadband is either through Telus (phone) or Shaw (cable), and you need neither cable TV or a land line to get the internet service.

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    2. Re:landline requirement by Mr.+Darl+McBride · · Score: 1

      The same is true most anywhere that Covad is in use. The reason is that there's a slightly (a few bucks) lower cost to them to provide the line if they can do it on a shared wire. So they'll gladly make you pay $20/mo to avoid paperwork and $3/line plus line setup and teardown at their offices.

    3. Re:landline requirement by TC+(WC) · · Score: 1

      Hrm... aren't there third party DSL providers in your area? I mean, they all end up going through Telus at some point, since they own the phone lines, but there are definitely third party providers.

    4. Re:landline requirement by Jade+E.+2 · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Here in California, Verizon will not sell you DSL unless you also subscribe to voice service

      That may be illegal, although I'm not sure what laws California has on forced bundling... If I were you I'd contact the California Public Utilities Commission's Public Advisor office, and find out if that is acceptable grounds for filing a complaint.

    5. Re:landline requirement by AbRASiON · · Score: 1

      You must have a phone line also here in Australia - it can't be done on the lines optus provides - so it's back to the Telstra monopoly,.....

      It costs approx 23$ a month line rental for a telstra line - so basically you can't get BBand here for less than 73$ AUD or 55+$ US,.....

    6. Re:landline requirement by payndz · · Score: 1

      My NTL service in the UK actually gives me *free* voice line rental as part of my broadband (150kbps, 18UKP/month) and cable package. Since I don't make a huge number of phone calls, and local calls are free, my total monthly bill for all three services combined rarely exceeds 45UKP/month, or about $80US for 70-odd cable channels, effectively unlimited broadband (I'm not a BitTorrent junkie or anything) and all my phone calls.

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    7. Re:landline requirement by mnewton32 · · Score: 1

      Damn right there are! Shameless plug for my employer: http://www.lightspeed.ca

    8. Re:landline requirement by mnewton32 · · Score: 1

      Shaw has, I hear, begun offering service without having a cable TV package. But there is no way to get ADSL without an active Telus landline going into the house.
      I work for an ISP and we are eagerly awaiting the day that lines used by other CLECs like Sprint can be serviced by ADSL. This has been mandated by the CRTC, now we just have to wait for Telus to "modify their system" to allow it. (Read: "we're going to stall this as long as we can.")
      As for providing ADSL on lines without POTS, I wouldn't hold my breath.

    9. Re:landline requirement by MrAngryForNoReason · · Score: 1

      (150kbps, 18UKP/month).... effectively unlimited broadband

      Few people would consider 150kbps broadband, the only reason Ntl are allowed to call it that is that Oftel like to keep their nice high broadband statistics.

    10. Re:landline requirement by floateyedumpi · · Score: 1

      Comcast has recently begun a similar campaign of "bundling" cable service with cable television subscription here in Arizona (and nationwide, I believe), most likely as an attempt to plug the gaping torrent of cable customers leaving for satellite. What's amusing is that it's actually more expensive to get cable alone than it is to get cable+the cheapest TV service (which works out to about $55). When the Comcast representative explained their new bundling deal by comparing it to a Happy Meal at McDonald's, I asked him whether McDonald's ever offers just the hamburger for more than the cost of the entire Happy Meal. He failed to see the crushing nuance of this argument.

    11. Re:landline requirement by Josuah · · Score: 1

      I in California (San Jose, to be exact) and getting DSL through an independent ISP over SBC. I am also required to have a voice line with SBC, but I'm only paying $5/mo. or so for the most basic plan. Might want to look and see if Verizon has a cheaper voice plan.

    12. Re:landline requirement by LadyLucky · · Score: 1
      This is the same in New Zealand. You must have a voice service through our monopoly Telecom, and to have DSL you must pay to Telecom as well as your ISP. Indeed, you pay more to Telecom than to your ISP.

      I (used to) pay the equivalent of:

      • ~25$US/month for voice (required for DSL)
      • ~20$US for DSL to the Telecom provider for the privelge of using their copper lines for DSL
      • ~14$US to the ISP.

      All this, and you only get 128kb/sec symmetric bandwidth. It is considerably more expensive to get higher asymmetric speeds.

      Since I really only use cellular services for voice, and Telecom are a pack of monopolistic prats and treat you like they are, I canned my service with them. Now I have no internet at home, but I can use my work one for whatever I want.

      I can get 256kb/sec wireless internet access for around $45-50 US per month. I will do that if I get internet withdrawal symptoms.

      Dialup here is cheap though, since after the required voice, you don't pay for local calls.

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    13. Re:landline requirement by ScottSpeaks! · · Score: 1

      Here in Michigan, SBC/Ameritech won't sell you ADSL if you're using another company for voice service via landline. Part of the reason is to be mean, I'm sure, but I believe there's also a technological issue involved, in that they run the DSL service over the same pair used for voice, making it more difficult to split the services between providers.

  23. Cheap DSL by grumm3t · · Score: 1

    In my area I pay $40 for 1.5/128. Lots of people get DSL for $25/month on promotional deals ($25 for 1 year on a 2 year contract).

  24. New Zealand Prices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    128Kbit ADSL, limited to 10GB international and usually unlimited national is around $60 NZ / month. Thats about $90 USD I believe.

    1. Re:New Zealand Prices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      I think you have your currency conversion wrong.
      finance.yahoo.com says $60NZ = ~$40USD.

    2. Re:New Zealand Prices by TaGirl_Keri · · Score: 1

      ADSL in NZ is limited to 6GB international, upload AND download. I use it. And US$40 is about right. Over 6gig it's NZ 20cents/MB (about US 13 cents/MB)

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    3. Re:New Zealand Prices by karit · · Score: 1

      I'm on Cable and NZ$60 per month plus modem rental at NZ$17. I get 256/128 and 10GB International Traffic per month (National traffic is charged at 0.1)

      NZ$60 ~ US$40.45
      NZ$17 ~ US$11.46

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    4. Re:New Zealand Prices by jameslore · · Score: 1

      The major catch is cable is only available in Wellington, Christchurch and (maybe) Auckland? I had cable in WLG and it was great, though the compulsary modem rental was kind of sucky.

      If I remember rightly (in NZ$, 0.67 NZ = 1 US):
      128kbps = $66.95 / month (10Gb limit)
      256kpbs = $76.95 / month (5Gb limit)
      512kpbs = $79.95 / month (1Gb limit)
      2Mbps = $119.95 / month (1Gb limit)

      Now I'm in Taupo and have ADSL. Unfortunately cheap ADSL = 128kpbs. Sigh. Prices vary as the monopolistic Telecom (they own the local loop) charges a flat rate, then ISPs charge their own on top. These are home user prices.
      128kbps = ~$60 / month (5Gb limit)
      256kpbs = ~$60 / month (500Mb limit)
      256kpbs = ~$70 / motnh (1Gb limit)
      256kpbs = ~$80 / month (2Gb limit)
      Unlimited = ~$70 / month (500Mb limit)
      Unlimited = ~$90 / motnh (1Gb limit)

      Anything with more data is a 'business' plan.

      To add insult to injury, a commerce commission committe recommended that the local loop not be unbunbled. Telecom responded by raising line rentals slightly.

      Other options are one way satellite (you use a modem for upstream) and cellular (Woosh). The former is relatively cheap, but you still need a phone line available, and the latter is limited to Auckland currently.

    5. Re:New Zealand Prices by aldoman · · Score: 1

      Ouch. Does anyone know what sort of pipes NZ has to Australia? Surely Aus doesn't have those sorts of rates for international traffic...

    6. Re:New Zealand prices by CliffH · · Score: 1

      We should give everyone a decent picture of our pricing over here and let them see for themselves:

      Xtra

      Paradise

      iHug

      Those are three major ISPs around here but all of them hover at about the same price. Personally, I'm with Xtra for historic reasons but that will be changing. Oh, also, these are only ADSL links. Cable is available over here as well (like the first poster stated) but it's even more limited than ADSL rollouts here (yeah, I'm jealous it isn't available in my area yet). Moving and making a living in a South Pacific isalnd has its perks, but one of them isn't choice in the communications arena, broadband or not. I almost look back fondly at the Baby Bells and growing up in West Virginia, then the shock treatment kicks in and I'm all better. :) j/k

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    7. Re:New Zealand Prices by karit · · Score: 1

      There is a good article about just that here. http://www.aardvark.co.nz/daily/2003/1209.shtml

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    8. Re:New Zealand Prices by karit · · Score: 1

      Umm Paradise have changed the cable pricing since then. Only 256/128 (10GB) and 2048/256 (1GB) is avilable now.

      $60 for 256 and $90 or $100 for the 2048.

      Though waiting for Woosh to come to Wellington which is based on WCDMA and offers a home plan at 256/256 for 60 a month get about 7GB (Unlimted means 10 time the median usage after that ask you to change to business plan). On business can get 256/256, 384/284 and 512/512 and is not unlimted.

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    9. Re:New Zealand prices by Rib+Feast · · Score: 1

      I too was in WV and enjoyed campus broadband that seemed alien to my NZ dsl line from xtra.

      The funniest part is comparing Australian broadband infrastructure (particularly the unbundled loop for dsl) and our one.

      The AUS$135 service here runs us about $1600NZ.

      Telecom's excuse "oh if we unbundle then we have no reason to maintain or upgrade the national lines"

      Oh the irony, considering their reinvestment rate is right at the bottom (or damn close to) for OECD nations.

      We had 4 days till our flat rate DSL plan rolled out - that's $260NZ (110US) for 1.8GB a month at 100K-400K/sec. I managed a humble 60GB in those 4 days, and they attempted to charge me $11,000 in bandwidth - after numerous calls were recorded with multiple people stating that "you can download as much as you want" and "there is no limit or charge on bandwidth used until the plan begins metering on the site".

      I consider the 60GB strictly a silent protest, and in the end I'm simply leaving the country out of disgust for the short sighted and easily swayed governement that takes pride in selling infrastructure to single companies.

    10. Re:New Zealand prices by olliej_nz · · Score: 1
      It all boils down to monopoly power really... In NZ we have three major net providers Telecom - Used to be state-owned, still have the largest coverage, capital, etc. They charge $30-40 for 128k cable, and you then pay ISP fees to use it, which despite there being many ISPs is a flat charge of around $30, pretty much everywhere, limited to 10gig international traffic Orcon - Fairly small (relatively) and serve primarily businesses. They provide DSL that isn't purchased through Telecom, unlike telecom there's is somewhat unlimited, still slow however. Finally Saturn - NZs only cable company, Wellington, and most of Christchurch are covered, and maybe auckland? they provide all things cable (net, phone, and TV) and with phone+net the total cost is slightly less than DSL, at 256kbps, yay!(note: sarcasm), oh and that's also capped to 10gig

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    11. Re:New Zealand prices by �nertia · · Score: 1
      You are a moron!! The reason we still pay huge prices for reasonable bandwidth broadband in this country, is because in the 6 years since ADSL has been introduced as a consumer product, the 2 months trail of flatrate in 2000 idiots like you leeched as much as possible, thus confirming that if Telecom offered a flatrate product then leechorous scum would ruin them.

      Irresponsible use of broadband bandwidth has resulted in the closure of NZ's only broadband consumer service (chello) and is also the principle reason that Telecoms ADSL pricing structure has remained unchanged.

      As someone who has worked with both Saturn/Paradise/Telstra while Chello was offered I can tell you that the 5% of users who were leeching warez 24/7 are the reason the product was pulled, and not just because Telecom/Telstra/Saturn/AOL/Timewarner are evil bastards.

      Think...

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    12. Re:New Zealand prices by elbobo · · Score: 1

      Careful where you wave that moron tag. It's looking suspiciously like a rock in a glasshouse.

      What you've described is the basic economics of broadband *everywhere*. There will always be a tiny percentage of hardcore users who consume the bulk of a flatrate offering.

      Telecom's strangle hold on the local loop is undisputedly why we're suffering from lack of service here. The affect of severely limited competition means that Telecom is under no pressure to improve their offerings. Physical location and international connectivity also play a part.

      Until we see real competition here, we're going to continue seeing sub par offerings. A small percentage of people taking full advantage of flatrate offerings has no bearing on the matter.

    13. Re:New Zealand prices by Rib+Feast · · Score: 1

      I have had DSL since the 300 person 1999 trial. Never did I do more than 10gig a month for the very reason that you mentioned - those that can leech would ruin it.

      However your argument is flawed, telecom has time and again proven that the only time they don't screw their customers (be it commercial or residential) is when competition threatens them.

      Look at the cellular market here to start with as a prime example, and Telstra Clear's ip link in the Auckland CBD.

      For a leecher within the country, flat rate 2mbit would cost telecom less than a few dollars should they leech all day and night. Overseas - well just look at Australia, since they have the very same feeds - that's right - the Southern Cross cable that is using a small percentage of capacity.

      The irony is that our high bandwidth cost is defined by the sheer lack of consumption.

      What is even more ironic is that I'm being lambasted as a customer for using what little bandwidth I have - it's like buying a tv with a timer per day.

    14. Re:New Zealand prices by ghouston · · Score: 1

      The bandwidth limits on these services are amazingly low, typically 500MB - 2000MB/month. Not much point in subscribing to a service that can only be used for one or two days a month, eh.

    15. Re:New Zealand prices by �nertia · · Score: 1
      I've used these argument's before... The problem is not really a monopoly. Even in wellington (Where we have a pretty good range of options). Telstra's pricing scheme isn't much better (1mbit cable is !$150 per month for only 1000MB and .2$ theirafter)

      There is also flatrate 256kb wireless provider for 99% but it's not speedy enough to host on and dosn't go everywhere.

      . The problem I agree is broadband uptake, even tho NZ has the highest Internet Penetration in the world (besides south Korea), it's all dial up and people are happy with the service. But it's a catch 22, because early adopters of broadband content delivery (you me and other technophiles) services, can't afford the bandwidth charges, the normal users can't get exposed to these technology, thus itunes in this country wouldn't work, because we are effectively being taxed on each download by the carrier provider.

      I Agree the decision not to unbundle is a bit of a blow, but at the same time the recomendation is to force telecom to wholesale DSL services... which is basically the main thing that unbundling would have been used for.

      NZ's problem at the moment is that the Jetstream service is a product which for 90% of customers find is fine and works out, it's the 10% like me who want to do basic hosting things, or transfer data from site to site, which makes it horendous. Some friends and I are looking at setting up a Data Wharehouse, in wellington with a 2MB guranteed international link through frame realy (cost around 5500$ per month), because combined we are paying more to just run our websites over ADSL.

      This is a very complicated argument, I agree, but I do think it's fair to say people who do 60GB in four day's arn't doing anything but ruin the reputation of users of the service, and almost definately arn't doing things 100% legal. And as far as a protest goes... be active about it, write to telecom/telstra/government... I've done it before... the more people who hammer the issue home to the people in charge the more likely somthing will get done about it, providing reasons for them not to do it by downloading 60GB in 4 days, isn't protesting, it's providing amunition to the enemy

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    16. Re:New Zealand prices by Rib+Feast · · Score: 1

      At the heart of it all lies the fact that the market has an inelastic demand for internet, but an elastic price point when it comes to the medium - as you said, the modem users are happy on their modems.

      From the last four years we have seen the internet go backwards - jetstart is no longer uncapped like it was, and prices are still crazy for any bandwidth over 15K/sec.

      The problem here is a simple one, there are limited suppliers of a service that is needed. Telstra is no better than Telecom - they had the exact situation in Australia with gouging the users until the government stepped in.

      I can only hope that the government will step in and enact a form of freedem amongst dsl providers - a controlled unbundling outcome without the loss of control by Telecom.

      My downloading was unmonitored - they could never see the usage as the connection was enabled at the dslam, and in the office, but not registered.

      The funniest part about all the bandwidth, is that after those 4 days, I had nothing to download, I simply stopped looking for media - legal media - mostly high quality samples and open source sound plugins.

      I have only been back in NZ for a few months, and am leaving again at the end of the year - the combination of government, land claims, tax rates and gouging telecommunications companies is too much for me long term.

      I long ago lost hope for our internet industry, and it seems I was not wrong.

      Until they can offer 1-2mbit national uncapped, and 512kbit international with say a 15-20gb monthly cap, for under $200 a month, we will remain in the dark ages.

  25. What you pay for by charleschuck · · Score: 1

    The question really should be are you getting what you pay for? I have friends who are getting inexpensive introductory rates with SBC, and who kept having outages for the longest time.

    I just switched to SBC/Yahoo (for about $30/month) and I haven't had issues, myself. Knock on w NO CARRIER

    1. Re:What you pay for by Bob-o-Matic! · · Score: 1

      I got in on the SBC/Yahoo DSL for $35/month in May 03 when I moved to San Antonio, no problems with the DSL service... however, we have had POTS outages for up to 4 consecutive days, although DSL still works.

      One month later the rate for new subscribers dropped to $25/month. I'd have tried for a new contract, but I plan to move this summer.

      side note-- before I moved to SA, my 8Mb/1Mb DSL service from Korea Telecom cost around $37/month, varies by exchange rate. Would have been cheaper but I didn't have a contract.

    2. Re:What you pay for by charleschuck · · Score: 1
      we have had POTS outages for up to 4 consecutive days, although DSL still works.

      Yeah, I also saw that happen, here in Michigan. A friend of mine ordered DSL, lost phone service, and spent several days trying to get it back up.

      Strange random coincidence, though: Since my friend had a Nextel, and the service tech. was going to call him on that, we decided that we could go out running while the land line was being repaired. So, there we are, out on a service road back by his house running, and we see an SBC van. As we were about to finish running, we get a call from the tech. We start walking back, and pass not too far from the van, and see the technician talking to someone. We thought about waving, but further thought he might be freaked out, thinking us to be irate customers hanging out on a hidden service road, stalking him.

  26. RCN in SF by abramsh · · Score: 1

    I'm in San Francisco.

    The amount I actually pay is hard to determine becuase it is mixed in with 2 phone lines and cable tv. But I figure it's about $40 for a 5mbps/2mbps connection.

  27. UK Mainland by Scooter · · Score: 1

    22 pcm (about $35 US)for DSL with Force9/Plusnet. This includes hosting as many domains as I want, web space (inc PHP, MySQL) a fax->email number and some other bits and bobs.

  28. South Central PA by liquidice5 · · Score: 1

    I pay $31.95 for fast cable, 128k up, but usually 3-4 mpbs down.

    I have a friend who pays 69.99 for the same thing, but a "business" account, they have a static IP, but my IP hasnt changed for over a year, so I practically do as well

    We have local dial up for 9.95
    plus all the bigger companies
    juno, aol, msn, etc.

    DSL would be an option for me, as I am really close to a telco switch office, but that costs upwards of 49.95 in my area, for a connection that is slower than my cable

    I have Suscom cable modem if interested
    Susquahanna Communications

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  29. Central Ohio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here in Central Ohio, it's around 40 bucks a month with Road Runner for hi-speed cable. Another thing to consider is monopolies. With only one company, they can drive the rate up and know no one can do a thing about it. It's happenened in many places, and still is.

  30. Rogers in Ontario, Canada by milkme123 · · Score: 1

    Cable service in Ontario from @Rogers is ~CAD$49/month. That gets me about 200-250k/s downloads and 45k/s uploads.. Not to mention an awesome news server with excellent retention.

    I've heard that the quality of service does depend on where in the province you are though..

    1. Re:Rogers in Ontario, Canada by isthisorigional · · Score: 1

      For the longest time I was capped at 150KB/s down, but that was recently raised to about 250-275KB/s. I didn't mind the 150KB/s down, I only wish my upstream had a little more power (still 20KB/s).

  31. Central Canada by shadowspark · · Score: 2, Informative

    Here in Central Canada (Manitoba), Cable and DSL is $39.95-45.95 CDN. Which converted is around $30 or so US. However, if one wanted to sign up, it's approximately $29.99 CDN for the first 6-8 months. I know in the states, Comcast and other providers are offering broadband at $45.95 to 60.95 US for cable internet. Might be why we have a high ratio of broadband customers here in Canada versus in the states.

    The two most popular broadband providers in my area are:
    Shaw Cable
    MTS DSL

  32. Capitalism has inbuilt wealth redistribution by euroderf · · Score: 0
    This is why wealthier areas always have more expensive goods and services. Its a lot more expensive to live in a wealthy crucible of commerce, such as New York City or London, than it is to live in rural Indonesia.

    Broadband pricing is no exception. I should expect Afghanistan and Ethiopia to top the charts. When i lived in Finland, a rather poor country, I found broadband to be impressively cheap compared to my native France.

    Capitalism ensures that the wealthy people of the West pay through the nose for commodities. that wealth filtering down, via a sort of global reaganomics, to the people of Delhi and Addis Ababa.

    The problem is that global trade raises prices in the third world, because it levels prices. Sure, it makes things cheaper in the west, but it makes things more expensive in the third world. This is why it is our duty to allow the free exchange of ideas, but not of goods and cash.

    I expect, in any such map, that the third world will come first and the first world will come last, in terms of prices. But the more free trade linked third world countries will be more expensive than the more protectionist ones, like Singapore.

    1. Re:Capitalism has inbuilt wealth redistribution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When i lived in Finland, a rather poor country, I found broadband to be impressively cheap compared to my native France.

      Funny to say that Finland is a poor country because according to CIA's World factbook Finland's estimated GDP per capita is only $200 less than France's in year 2002.

      http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/ran ko rder/2004rank.html

      Now living in the capital area of Finland and having 1M/512k ADSL for 54 euros monthly so broadbands can be called cheap at least for this area.

    2. Re:Capitalism has inbuilt wealth redistribution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      When i lived in Finland, a rather poor country..

      Frogs jumping in asbestos can be very entertaining to watch. Usually it's just boring...

      financial institutions usually scores Finland very high on their credit lists... According to worldbank France and Finland are essentially equal on GNP/capita.

      Whaddayameanpoorcountry?

  33. my $0.02 by tero · · Score: 2, Informative

    I suppose this will be a bit silly thread, but here goes:

    I live in Sweden and I'm on a 1Mb/8Mb DSL (no bandwidth limits and 1 static IP) and I'm paying 398 SEK ($55) a month.

  34. New Zealand by Nermal6693 · · Score: 2, Informative

    DSL's ridiculously expensive here in NZ. It's about US$40 per month for a 128/128 connection. The next step up is "full speed" - up to 8 Mb/s. This costs $35 per month I think, with a 500 MB data transfer limit. Go over that limit and it's around $0.14 per MB! See www.jetstream.co.nz for the full story. 1 NZD ~ 0.68 USD.

    1. Re:New Zealand by houseofmore · · Score: 1

      Ya... but it's 26c out with an offshore seabreeze. What the hell are you doing infront of your PC? Shit, what the hell am I.

      to the beach bro..

    2. Re:New Zealand by smeenz · · Score: 1

      and what the hell am I doing here reading your comments not a cloud in the sky and only 50% humidity too

    3. Re:New Zealand by Nermal6693 · · Score: 1

      Well if it makes you feel any better, I just got back from Ohope :)

  35. useless unless quality of service is also measured by Stinking+Pig · · Score: 4, Interesting

    which is why no one has done such a thing, because quality is very difficult to measure.

    I pay about $10 a month more than the average DSL customer in my area, $20 a month more than the people who sign up with special promotions at cheap providers. I also get a static IP, zero guff about AUP, clean Ethernet rather than PPPoE, and direct access to the engineer who built and maintains the network (including after-hours). I wouldn't change and I recommend mom-n-pops to anyone who asks.

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  36. $24??? by lone_marauder · · Score: 1

    The prices in Eastern Canada are ridiculous comparing to some states, around $24 US for DSL or cable.

    I guess ridiculous depends on your point of view. It costs $60 get in on the ground floor of dsl/cable in the SouthEast U.S., at least from an ISP with a decent AUP.

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    1. Re:$24??? by oogoliegoogolie · · Score: 1

      Yah I don't know what prices the original poster was looking at, but broadband prices in Canada are comparable to what is the US and often cheaper. In Ontario I pay $45 for cable internet with speeds often aproaching 3Mb/sec. That's about $35 US, and that's about the normal price across Canada, unless you live in the bush.

  37. $24CDN seems not so bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here in New Zealand, being subject to the monopoly of the incumbant Telco (www.telecom.co.nz), broadband pricing is ridiculously expensive. Currently paying $70NZ/month for 256Kbps (up and downstream) with a data cap of 2GB/month.

    How I long for the uncapped service provided in Canada.

  38. New Zealand prices by olliej_nz · · Score: 4, Informative

    You're not being shafted, in New Zealand our ADSL cost NZ$70 a month, for 10gig of traffic, oh, and thats only 128kbps, or 256kbps cable for the same price, after that its 20cents a meg...

    NZ$70 is about 35->40 USD

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  39. Rip-off UK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For rip off UK, I pay: 27.99 UKP for DL/512Kbps and UL/256Kps.

    1. Re:Rip-off UK by TechBCEternity · · Score: 1

      I went for BT Yahoo and I think it's a 29.99 for the same thing (it's cause I don't own the phone line) I should've gone with virgin or somebody else. I was paying less than $29.99 CDN which works out to 13 with shaw in canada rip off is right

    2. Re:Rip-off UK by aldoman · · Score: 1

      Not true. ISPs in the UK seem to care a LOT more than ISPs in the US about QoS and that means you will expect to get full speed all the time, regardless of peak times. This is probably the reason the high speeds are not forthcoming...

  40. 2mbit, sweden, ISP: comhem by nempo · · Score: 1

    2mbit costs around $55 with the ISP mentioned above, dunno about the other ISPs though.

    0.5mbit comes in at around $41.

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  41. Finnish cities by TeknoHog · · Score: 2, Informative
    I'm on 512/512 kbps ADSL provided by Sonera for 48 euros per month. My parents have roughly 1024/320 cable also by Sonera, for 49 euros. The same prices apply for most Finnish cities.

    Most importantly, there are no caps and they don't seem to care about running servers.

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    1. Re:Finnish cities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I also have a 512/512k ADSL here in Helsinki, provided by Elisa, that is pretty much the going price nowadays. Oulun Puhelin Oy has some great home connections, you can get a 10M/10M VDSL for less than a hundred euros a month with static ip and if you live too far away from a PoP, you get a 8M/768k ADSL. I guess I'll have to move there.

    2. Re:Finnish cities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      512/512 cannot be ADSL. "A" means asynchronous, so the download and upload should be different. Yours must be SDSL.

    3. Re:Finnish cities by upside · · Score: 3, Informative

      Helsinki DSL
      Sonera 1m/512k 61,99e/month
      Saunalahti 256k/256k 35e/month
      Saunalahti 1m/512k 54e/month (+8e for static IP)

      Helsinki SHDSL
      Nebula 2m/2m 225e/month

      In the northern city of Oulu the local phone company OPOY offers outrageously cheap and fast ~10mbps connections. Ditto student housing all ove r the country.

      These are private connections. Increasingly you get broadband as part of your housing, and it can be as low as 10e/month.

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    4. Re:Finnish cities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ADSL gives the possibility of asynchronous connections, but it doesn't have to be in practice. Basically the asynchronous part means the upload and download rates aren't tied to each other, so you're upload can be faster, slower or exactly the same as your download speed.

    5. Re:Finnish cities by Hezu · · Score: 1
      For Helsinki region, it obviosly worth to mention to the cable alternatives from HTV:
      • Welho 2M (2 Mbps/200kbps) 69
      • Welho 512 (512 kbps/200kbps?) 49
      • Welho Pro (shared 10Mbps?/??kbps) 46.25 (limited availability)
      • Welho mini (100kbps) 29
      All the above are the monthly fees in euros, I think the normal fee for signup is 30 euros, although there is often various special offers diminishing that down into 0 euros..
  42. Broadband by towzzer · · Score: 1

    50$ a month for 1mbit up 10mbit down, cable in new york and what's with that guy a few posts up who acutally found a way to tie in rural broadband with a negative american political comment. He prolly couldn't have waited for a post about the iraq war again.

  43. Prices in OH by rekkanoryo · · Score: 1

    I live in Jefferson County, Ohio (USA). In my particular area, SBC is the provider for phone and DSL services, and Comcast (or "CommieCrap" as it's so hatefully known here) is the cable provider. SBC has various prices for DSL, but currently I could get 384k DSL for $27/month for 12 months by signing a contract. The representatives on the phone tell me I can keep renewing this contract indefinitely (if you don't renew, the price jumps to $40/month). CommieCrap wants $45/month for 3.0Mbps downstream, 128kbps upstream cable IF you're a cable TV subscriber. If you're not a CATV subscriber, they want $55/month. That includes $3/month modem rental. Friends and neighbors tell me the CommieCrap cable internet is prone to periods of up to 2 hours without service as much as 3 days a week in the area, too.

    1. Re:Prices in OH by rekkanoryo · · Score: 1

      I should also note that with the SBC DSL you also get unlimited access to SBC's dialup service for free, and they don't use PPPoE.

    2. Re:Prices in OH by glassesmonkey · · Score: 1

      Yes, most of SBC DSL does use PPPoE. Time Warner Roadrunner & WOW! Internet & Cable are similar price in Columbus, usually less than DSL. Note you can usually get 3 months free out of six months, so 50% off if you keep cancelling cable and getting it in your roommates name. I'm not sure what most people get but usually around 200KB/s down and 40KB/s up for cable.

    3. Re:Prices in OH by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm in OH myself. There is a monopoly between Buckeye and SBC, but recently Buckeye felt the crunch and upgraded their speed to 2mbit down and 256kbit up. I would always get that d/l speed, but I NEVER got that u/l speed. I'd max at about 15kb/s all the time. So... even though I was paying $46 for that speed, I needed a faster upload, and switched to SBC. I can't complain too much. Granted, I'm getting raped at $159/month, I at least get 6mbit down and 512mbit up, and it's 100% steady. So yeah, I feel that price is somewhat crazy because if I lived 15miles east of my location I could get speakeasy which offers 3mbit down and 768kbit up for $29.95. Maybe I'll move or something ;p

    4. Re:Prices in OH by rekkanoryo · · Score: 1

      We must not be in the "most" part then because I don't have pppd or PPPoE support in my kernel, only dhcpcd on my linux machine and I can pulg in the cat5 cable from the modem and dhcp gets an address and I can access the internet with no hassle.

  44. DSL in Belize by Belizeman · · Score: 1

    100BZ (50US) for 64k up 64k down You can get higher but the cost goes up quick. Dialup .05 us a min plus phone line charge (same company there is a monopoly here)

  45. Adephia in Virginia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I pay 65 for cable modem 3mb. They are the only game in town so i know i am getting screwed.

    I will pay that rather than use dial up

  46. NOVA.... by utlemming · · Score: 1

    In Northern VA you can get Cox Communication for $39 for 3Mbit downstream and 720K upstream cable. If you are not a Cox Cable customer then you get to pay $49 a month. If you want 4MBytes then you will fork out $79 or $99 depending on the upload package you want. You are limited to 30G down a month and 300MB up a month. So for the most part is a great connection. I have been able to download like a freaking fool and have never hit my 30G per month -- since I am not doing file sharing. But I have gathered quite a few ISO's.

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    1. Re:NOVA.... by billh · · Score: 1

      My upstream with cox is closer to 128. A major pain, since I host my digital pictures offsite, and I regularly upload 20-30 megabytes at a time.

      I've never heard of a cap on bandwidth, unless you count the outages I get at least twice a week.

    2. Re:NOVA.... by utlemming · · Score: 1

      LOL! I understand the weekly outages. The cap can be found in the AUP. Pretty much they don't provide a utility to tell you how much you have downloaded. They just say that you are obviously doing something illegal. Read the AUP because it is some pretty interesting reading.

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  47. China prices by ThesQuid · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I pay $9/month for DSL access that sometimes gets up to 1.5Mb/sec. Have to put up with the Great Firewall of China though. Still last February, most of the sites they used to block were suddenly accessable.

    1. Re:China prices by smeenz · · Score: 1

      But where in china is from, though ? HK ?

    2. Re:China prices by ThesQuid · · Score: 1

      I forgot to mention, it's in Hangzhou, about a two hour drive west of Shanghai.

    3. Re:China prices by Psychic+Burrito · · Score: 1

      And slashdot is available through the Great Firewall? Strange... I mean, sometimes there are rather political issues discuessed here!

      How do you live your daily internet live with this Great Firewall? You must be feeling like big brother is watching all your steps, right? No sex sites, I guess? :-) Do you weigh every word you write carefully? Or do you surf selectively and for special stuff, you use anonymizing proxy?

      Just interesting in your ways on the internet.

    4. Re:China prices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The great firewall is mostly american hype.

      You can get to pretty much any site you want except for a few news sites - and thats dependant on your isp. Cable doesn't block bbc.co.uk, but adsl does. (In Shanghai).

      Its pretty good here actually.

      The chinese government doesn't really give a shit about most sites - they aren't in Chinese.
      Unless its a big news site (thats rubbed someone up the wrong way this week) or a famous porn site, its not going to be banned.

      Stuff that is banned -

      parts of google (cache for example).
      geocities and other 'free' providers (because of all the falun gong stuff on there).
      news sites (although these go up and down all the time)
      hotmail, yahoo and other free email sites get banned occasionally, or are otherwise inaccessible.
      voiceofamerica is banned.
      You get to know what to avoid though news sites wise. I don't read bbc.co.uk or bbc.com anymore because I can't, but news.google.com has more views of the same subject, which gives a more subjective view anyway.

      Living in China is pretty normal, I'm sorry to say.

      If you are interested in life in China, have a look at my site

      #insert shameless plug here - www.shanghaiguide.com

      Lawrence.

    5. Re:China prices by ThesQuid · · Score: 1

      Well, it is mostly hype now that Mr Hu has relaxed controls considerably. Up until last feb, most american newspaper sites were unaccessable. now as the poster above mentioned, pratically everything is ok, except for a few selected sites (you can get bbc? weird, I can't, but I'm ethernet/dsl). It's really no inconvenience, and really they are just looking to filter foreign news/opinion sites in chinese. If there is something I REALLY need to access but can't, I just ssh to a box in the States and use lynx/links.
      And I think you mean objective instead of subjective when it comes to Google vs bbc ;-)

    6. Re:China prices by Bryan+Ischo · · Score: 1

      Dude, you slashdotted *yourself*!

      Nice one, man!

  48. Here are the prizes for Switzerland by Psychic+Burrito · · Score: 2, Informative

    I guess you're looking for the cheapest available prices, right?

    OK:
    500kBit/s: 45 CHF, $36.79
    1MBit/s: 60 CHF, $49.06
    2MBit/s: 75 CHF, $61.32

    Source, Currency conversion.

    1. Re:Here are the prizes for Switzerland by WARM3CH · · Score: 1

      I have one of those 2MBit/s DOCSIS (Cable) connections at home. Totally impressive: - 2Mbit/s Download - 400Kbit/s Upload up to 4 dynamic IPs (that means bt using a $20 switch, you can connect 4 PCs to a single Modem) - 75 Swiss Francs (round $60) per month - ping time to yahoo.com round 100ms

  49. consider yourself lucky by bain · · Score: 1

    ADSL (512 down 128 up) in South Africa costs are $50 give or take a few at current exchange rates. Just having a 64k line from point a to b no internet costs is about $10 here (it's called diginet, not sure whats it's called elsewhere)

    I'm sure that beats you're worst pricing hands down

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    1. Re:consider yourself lucky by gmuslera · · Score: 1
      consider YOURSELF lucky :) in Uruguay residential ADSL (256/64k, ip changes every 12 hs) costs more than US$50/month, and enterprise adsl (384/128k, fixed IP) costs more than US$130.

      With those prices relatively few people have residential adsl (most still connecting dialup or thu cybercafes to internet) and most companies that have permanent internet connection or self-hosted internet presence have the enterprise adsl.

      But the worst part of it is that I think that we have a not so bad price/connectivity (uh, I forgot, 300+ ping time to most sites) here compared with the majority of countries in the world

    2. Re:consider yourself lucky by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lucky to live in Red China?

  50. moola by wviperw · · Score: 0

    $55 here in Iowa for 1500/128 cable modem. :(

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  51. the Netherlands... by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

    Plenty of choice here. Dial-up can be had for free :)

    Consumer ADSL ranges from 19 Euro/month for 384/128 kb/s (down/up), to 80 Euro/month for 8Mb/1Mb on a 100GB/month limit (I've actually exceeded it a few times).

    There are many, many providers, each offering varying rates, download limits, policies, quality, and facilities (web hosting, usenet, etc.). Even better: they are engaged in a price war at the moment.

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    1. Re:the Netherlands... by Psychic+Burrito · · Score: 1

      Dial-up can be had for free :)

      What do you mean with that? Do you have to pay phone costs for each minute or is it absolutely, completely free?

    2. Re:the Netherlands... by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      You still need to pay the phone bill :) I have no idea what the charges are, I haven't used a landline in years

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    3. Re:the Netherlands... by Erik+Hensema · · Score: 1

      And since the dollar is worth shit these days, the prices in dollars are relatively high. $25 to $100.

      Keep voting Bush, it's very good for our import :-) (yet not so great for our export)

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    4. Re:the Netherlands... by CBravo · · Score: 1

      Those providers make a percentage from the amount the telco charges you... Second, their helplines are very expensive.

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    5. Re:the Netherlands... by Nyh · · Score: 1

      I am using athome cable:
      2560/64 kbit/s = EUR 47.95 p.m.
      312/64 kbit/s = EUR 29.95 p.m.
      64/64 kbit/s = EUR 17.95 p.m.
      No data limits. Servers are not allowed (and of no use with 64 kb upload).

      Nyh

    6. Re:the Netherlands... by sosume · · Score: 1

      I have 1024/512 ADSL without data limit for 39 excl. my phone subscription, which is about 25 per month. I could cancel that subscription but that would raise the DSL fee with about 10.

      They recently doubled my ADSL speed unannounced and without extra costs. That was kinda cool :D

    7. Re:the Netherlands... by l0rd · · Score: 1

      I use Multikabel. From february (new pricing) I'll be paying 43,- for 1546 down/360 up kb/s. The provider I have is pretty good and noted speeds are frequently reached. They also don't bitch about my bittorent downloading habits ;)

    8. Re:the Netherlands... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quoting from BBC :
      "But the rapid appreciation - a gain of 12% in just two months - could knock the 12-nation eurozone's chances of economic recovery"

      Anytime Europeans are worrying - it means we are doing a good job.

  52. Dallas area by LinuxInDallas · · Score: 1

    My comcast cable internet service is about $45 a month. DSL was $40 when I had it around two years ago. You can get DSL for around $35 these days although I think it's capped at 256k down, 128k up.

  53. Denmark by TheViciousOverWind · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'm using the Danish ADSL provider CyberCity, i have 3072 kb/s downstream / 768 kb/s upstream for about 150$/mo.

    I think the smallest ADSL package is 256/128 and costs about 50$/mo.

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    1. Re:Denmark by isj · · Score: 1

      I have DSL 2048/512 for 79 euro = USD 101

      There have been some nice price drops during the past 6 months. Instead of lowering the prices Cybercity chose to double the downstream speed at no cost.

  54. Northeastern Pirkanmaa, Central Finland. by Kassiopeia · · Score: 2, Informative

    49 euros a month for DSL at 512/512 kbps, ~120 to open it in the first place. That's about average in Finland. I'm actually pretty lucky, as it's higher in areas where the only broadband provider is the local telephone company.

    The differences areally in Finland can be big. In a small town you might get 256/256 for 69 euros a month, if you'll get any DSL at all. On the other hand, a student in Oulu can get a nice 8M/8M VDSL pipe for less than 40 euros.

    Local telcos are what are keeping prices up in the first place. For the last few miles they own the lines and have a de facto monopoly, and they can charge an arm and a leg for it. No other ISP will want to offer me broadband, although I should feel lucky for having it in a town of 7000 - pretty small even by Finnish standards - in the first place. The situation in big cities is much better with multiple ISPs, but you might get in trouble in your flat if you'd have to pull wires there and the apartment council consists of mostly elderly people... One solution would be WLAN of course, but it hasn't really caught on.

    The government has been trying to get it in control, with the aim being getting cable for 36 euros a month, but the only real solution I can see is the government subsidising cablework like has been done in Sweden and owning the infrastructure. But instead we're throwing money at digital television, which could be done through a fat pipe anyway.

    A significant plus is that in Finland there aren't any transfer costs at all, just a monthly fee.

    1. Re:Northeastern Pirkanmaa, Central Finland. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I live in Tampere, Pirkanmaa, in a student housing and as a student I pay 12 euros/month for my LAN connection. The bandwidth usage is monitored though:
      2Gb down and 1Gb up / day, and our firewalls make using e.g. BitTorrent practically impossible.

  55. Netherlands ADSL by MooCows · · Score: 1

    E60 for high quality 8mbits downstream and 1mbit upstream ADSL (250GB/month datalimit)

    Cheapest is 512/512 kbit for around E20 per month.

    I'm not complaining :)

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  56. Northern Louisiana by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's $45 per month here and $10 for another dynamic ip. This is using RoadRunner.

  57. West Africa (Accra, Ghana) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A couple years ago, when broadband access in the United States was typically $30-50 per month for DSL or cable broadband -- about what it is today -- getting a 256kbps DSL or satellite connection in Accra, capital of Ghana, cost about $2500 per month, with a $5000 equipment fee up front.

    Massive price gouging. I suspect the prices are still quite high today. Can anyone provide more recent information?

  58. Cleveland, OH USA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Speakeasy.net: 1500 Down/256 Up. 2 Static IPs.

  59. broadband in israel by iceco2 · · Score: 1

    I pay 99NIS for a 500kbps DSL line, to the
    government owned monopoly running the phone
    lines. and 55 NIS for my ISP. a tottal of 154NIS
    a month which is aproxematly 34$ us.(without
    looking up exchange rates)

    I think some people get better deals(mainly people
    get 750kbps lines for something similar)
    But the cheapest around here is probably cables
    when you do a combo deal of cable tv+broadband.
    (you don't deal with the monopoly on phone+dsl lines)

    Me

  60. Shaw Cable in Edmonton, AB, CA by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 1

    I pay about $45/month. That's for cable access. When I lived in a different part of town, getting 600kps down was pretty trivial, and I occasionally saw speeds touching 10MBit/s down. Where I am now, I 'only' get around 400kps down on a good day. I seem to be able to transfer about 80kps up.

  61. Illinois by OverclockedMind · · Score: 0

    Im a customer, and loyal one at that, of Wide Open West. They have the fastest and most stable cable internet in all of the state...and possibly midwest! My price is 80 per month for 3mbit/s down/500kbit/s up

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  62. Adelphia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    $58 per month in central New York through Adelphia. That's what I get for having a small bankrupt provider. :(

  63. New Zealand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In most of New Zealand the only broadband option is Telecom DSL, which has only one viable plan, that being $NZ29.95 (per month) for a 128k/128k connection to an ISP, which you then bay for bandwidth (maybe $NZ29.95 for 10GB international traffic, free national). If you want to go faster than 128k, you have to pay Telecom for traffic (for example, 256k, $NZ39.95 to Telecom for 500MB traffic (including national) plus at least $NZ10 to an ISP (administrative, email, etc).

  64. Denmark by apocamok · · Score: 1

    The most commom provider here in Denmark, TDC, charges about 100 US$ / month (599 DKR) for 2Mbit/256Kbit ADSL.

    The most common line here AFAIK is the less expensive 512Kbit/128Kbit which can be had for about 60US$ / month (359 DKR)

  65. Prices in Germany by 'gourne · · Score: 5, Informative
    Here in southern Germany DSL 768/128 costs about 50$ (12EUR for having it/ 30EUR for using it with a flatrate).

    Cable internet is available in my area as well. Prices range from 10EUR(12$) for 64/64 to 120EUR(150$) for 4096/1024.

    1. Re:Prices in Germany by unkamunka · · Score: 1

      Austrian cable (all monthly) EUR20 for 256/64, EUR49 for 1024/128 & EUR69 for 1536/128. Max up both cable & DSL is 128.

    2. Re:Prices in Germany by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Some more prices for Germany:

      1500/256 DSL flat costs around 65 EUR including ISDN line (can't get it without phone line)

      There are some areas where you can get 2048/512 cable for 50 EUR (ISH) including cable modem rent.

    3. Re:Prices in Germany by ergho · · Score: 1

      Flatrate is avalable in Germany for 17 EUR.

  66. Rolla, Missouri - Fidelity Networks by nneul · · Score: 1

    I'm paying $90/mo for 512 Kbps up / 512 Kbps down. The speed is generally quite solid. I believe the normal consumer packages are cheaper, but I wanted the decent upload speed. I believe $90/mo will get you 1.5Mbps/128Kbps. Sprint offers DSL in the area, but good luck finding out what the speed is.

  67. Vancouver ,B.C. by Quirk · · Score: 1

    $40.00/mo.

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  68. Slashdot and the UK pound sign by jo_ham · · Score: 1

    Ok, so it seems /. won't display the UK pound sign.

    All the numbers in that post without a $ in front of them are in GBP.

    Currently you can get about $1.60 per pound.

    If Bush keeps fucking with the economy, we might get $2 to the pound, which will be good for me since it would make my Apple purchases even cheaper. Well, the ones I can bring back on the plane that is.

    1. Re:Slashdot and the UK pound sign by 26199 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Er... according to xe.com: 1 GBP = 1.83650 USD

    2. Re:Slashdot and the UK pound sign by jo_ham · · Score: 1

      heh, I guess it's time to buy that new 15" PowerBook I've been after!

    3. Re:Slashdot and the UK pound sign by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple purchases even cheaper

      uhm don't forget to add 17.5% VAT + 10% import duty, if you fail to declare and are caught they confiscate your goods till the duty is paid

      not so cheap egh ?

    4. Re:Slashdot and the UK pound sign by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's right.

      Keep on consuming. I hear your Queen needs some new knickers, anyway.

      Look, unless you're on the dole or running up huge debts that you never plan to pay off, buying more crap is a terrible idea. Christ, you advertise for Apple in your sig, do you really need to give them more?

    5. Re:Slashdot and the UK pound sign by jo_ham · · Score: 1

      Indeed, I need it for work purposes - I can't run Final Cut Pro 4 on my iBook.

    6. Re:Slashdot and the UK pound sign by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      eh, I was just in a bad mood, sorry

  69. sweden by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    10Mbps up/down. No transfer limit.
    Stockholm, Sweden.
    ~43 USD/month.

  70. Rochester Institute of Technology by liquidice5 · · Score: 1

    Here at RIT, I have dual OC-3's plus a T3 backup, for the low low price of $30k a year

    Actually, its quite nice

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  71. Broadband Britain by mr_tommy · · Score: 1

    Prices are pretty steep. its about 39 /month (about say $65) for a 1mbits cable modem; its cheaper tho for adsl = its about 27/month for 512k.

  72. Flanders by Patrik_AKA_RedX · · Score: 1

    I(actually, my parents) pay about 37 euro for cable. Limits are 10Gb/30 days 1Gb upstream.

  73. Croatia by najt · · Score: 1

    In Croatia there is only one DSL provider (the national network). The cheapest package is 40$/month (265$ setup) and that's 384/64 with 1GB of monthly bandwidth (yeah, one gig!), each additional MB is 10 cents. The most expensive is 580$/month (350$ setup) 1,5M/256k, 12GB of bandwidth, each additional MB is 8 cents.

    Remember that the next time you bitch about your connection being expensive.

  74. Broadband Choice for Aussie prices by Davidge · · Score: 1

    This site: http://bc.whirlpool.net.au/

    Shows price comparisons for a lot of Australian ISPs.

    I'm with Optus cable and currently have a 6Gb data cap for $69.95 (Australian) per month.

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  75. Cable in Northern Colorado by questforme · · Score: 1

    I'm paying $45/month for 1.5mps down/128kps up for my cable connection. If I could get DSL where I live(I can't) than it would be about the same or more. We do have a new broadband wireless ISP here in town but it's more expensive. I always thought $45/month was to expensive, now I'm sure...

  76. Dallas area. by Slayk · · Score: 1

    $42 for cable, 3Mbit down/256k up. It's not bad. I wish Comcast was slightly more reliable, though.

  77. Sweden by matoh · · Score: 4, Informative

    10 Mbit/sec Ethernet through Bredbandsbolaget AB: SEK 320/month (~USD 45)

  78. 24$ US = 36$ Canadian by Stone316 · · Score: 1

    Hate to tell you bud, but your not paying too much for your highspeed connection. In Ottawa i'm paying 37$ a month. (I'm too lazy to look up the exchange rate but 24$US is probably closer to 32$)

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  79. Belgium by S.+Bolle · · Score: 1

    Over here, it's about 40 euro for both ADSL and Cable (128 kbps up/4 Mbps down) - 10GB limit.

  80. Sillicon Valley DSL/Cable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Comcast cable is available in selected sillicon valley for $59/month 1800Kbps down 256Kbps up. If you're lucky and live near a CO office, you can get SBC DSL for $26.95 with 1.5Mbps down and 128Kbps up - or paying $26.95 for under 350Kbps.

    Yep - living in middle of sillicon valley and getting crappy speed, and I'm just next door to HP. What bandwith glut??

  81. NW indiana, 10minutes east of gary by windex82 · · Score: 1

    Verizon DSL:
    $32 goes to verizon for a 768/128 line, or 10$ more gets you 1400/128.

    Then you can Pay $2.99 to verizon to provide you internet access that is alwasy on at 56k modem speed, or pay $20-$30 for a ISP that gan give you full speed. $20 includes static ip, ports 80, 25, and the windows ports blocked. $30 gets you a static and raw internet. All these prices are for 768/128 service, as im about 250ft too far for the 1400/128 service and have never bothered to get prices.

    SBC just ran fiber right through the middle of the city so we may get service from SBC soon, and from what I hear is a godsend compaired to verizon.

    Comcast cable runs $49.99 including the modem rental fee, if you buy your own its $46.99 + $2.99 bs fee for having your own modem.

  82. Best price I could find in Washington DC by stuffedmonkey · · Score: 1

    was Starpower - they have a bundle of Local phone line, basic cable and a cable modem for 90$ a month.

  83. Alabama by Wardc72 · · Score: 1

    I am a customer of Comcast and have internet as well as cable TV. 3MB downstream for $45/month (includes cable modem). Not bad, but could be better if cable companies were allowed to compete with each other. Comcast has a monopoly on this area.

  84. Downtown NYC cable by shawkin · · Score: 1

    $45 per month for consistent 3meg up and 500k down. To put this in context, I pay about $4,850 per month for rent and $525 per month for one parking space.

    1. Re:Downtown NYC cable by MKalus · · Score: 1

      Geez, what kind of place are you living in?????

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  85. Comcast monopoly by sunilonline · · Score: 1

    Well, the price here has gone up from $40 to $52 for new subscribers in the last few years and after a bankruptcy and acquisition. The problem is that Comcast has such a monopoly on the local market that they can charge whatever they want.

  86. bargaining by drgroove · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Comcast wants $56 / month in my area, and they force their basic cable service on you with their broadband. If you don't want their illegally bundled product package, you can get just broadband for around $75/mo., which is totally idiotic. I filed a complaint w/ the FCC, which was followed up on by the FCC and Comcast, and in the end completely ignored by both parties. Comcast is allowed to illegally bundle their products according to the FCC. Yea FCC.

    So, I took my complaint to one of Comcast's phone reps, who lowered my monthly broadband/cable charge to about $34/mo. Not quite sure how I talked her into doing that, but whatever a discount is a discount.

  87. South Florida by digitalhermit · · Score: 1

    Prices range from $29 for DSL Lite (capped, dynamic IP) to about $79 at the top end of the home offering (multiple users, static IP, better downloads, multiple emails). I use the $59 offering which is the cheapest one with static IP that I found at the time. Nothing prevents the $29 offering from being shared, but this service seems to be targeted at mostly non-technical folks.

  88. DSL in Lebanon... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's none.
    TV cables are all pirated from satellites and no data link is available through them.
    You can't use satellite internet connections too, the government think this is a "security matter" to transmit data over a satellite link (you get arrested by doing so).
    You end paying something like USD $70 per month to use a few hours of dialup per day.
    Feel better now?

    1. Re:DSL in Lebanon... by King-of-darkness · · Score: 1

      apparently you havent lived in lebanon long enough. I am Lebanese. and the excuse of not having economic bloom is because of the 70% muslim population (which is not true its 60% muslims 50% christians) is rediculous. The true reason is that using dial up gives the government ALOT of money.( the rates are pure BS) so they keep milking the users for more money they have no reason at all for providing adsl or what ever... even that the infrastructure in lebanon is already DSL ready.

    2. Re:DSL in Lebanon... by schoolsucks · · Score: 0

      So the Muslim population doesn't want an economic bloom? Explain.

    3. Re:DSL in Lebanon... by King-of-darkness · · Score: 1

      sorry I replied to the wrong parent... if you check the thread above my threed (a reply) you would understand what I meant. the guy before me blamed it
      on the muslims population that's why I replied

  89. Australia, Canberra by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I pay $23.50 per month for the ISP (256 down, 64 up for the first 350mb then its neutred to 78 down, 64 up unlimited)

    and $59.50 for access to the Transact network which includes phone, digital TV and network access.

  90. Broadband in Denmark by lth · · Score: 1

    I have a 2048/512 kbit/s ADSL connection with TDC in Denmark. It costs me roughly $135 pr month.

    This probably sounds insane to an american, but the upside is that I actually have 2048/512 at all hours of the day, next to no downtime, a static IP, and unlimited trafic. How unlimited? Well, I average a couple of hundred GB pr month without complaint (only linux ISO's, I swear! ;-)).

    I'm pretty happy with the connection, especially since I have no problem getting full connection speed to practically any server that can keep up.

    1. Re:Broadband in Denmark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm beginning to hear rumors about TDC contacting their the most active subscribers threatening to give info to BSA unless they lower their usage. Actually wouldn't surprise me if they did.

  91. $53 by herrvinny · · Score: 1

    From Comcast, Woodridge, Illinois (Suburb of Chicago. Mapquest it if you want a map). I also get regular cable included.

  92. Cable Modem Broadband Price by rocker_wannabe · · Score: 1

    In Southern California, Adelphia charges $59/mo for broadband cable (2Mbps down/256K up). If I ordered cable TV from them it would be a bit cheaper. It's way better than the DSL connection I had before. I was getting unicast traffic on my DSL, which irritated me since there was no good reason to send unicast traffic that wasn't meant for my home network to me. Especially when I'm paying for the bandwidth.

    Even though the cable is a shared connection, I still get more bandwidth for my money. I only see a slow-down occasionally and I can't be sure it's Adelphia's fault.

    --
    "Meaningless!, Meaningless!" says the Teacher. "Utterly meaningless!"
  93. Northern California - Sonic.net by MoggyMania · · Score: 1

    Here in Northern (Bay Area) California, I pay $39.00 to Sonic.net for a 1.5mps down / 128k up with 4 static IPs, 5 email accounts (with SpamAssassin), and 80gb server space. They're extremely reliable (near-zero downtime of any kind since I joined in 1996 as a dialup member, and none since I got their DSL in 2002) and their customer support is amazing.

  94. Rogers: good potential speed for the price, at lea by JonathanF · · Score: 1

    3 Mbps up and 384 Kbps down in theory, though I think my modem or local node are messed up in recent months as the bandwidth fluctuates a lot. However, the potential to go that fast for what I pay ($45 Canadian a month for Rogers Hi-Speed) would make most American geeks cry.

    For reference: I'm located in Ottawa, Canada

  95. 26 Mbit/s in Sweden by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    VDSL 26Mbit/s (symmetric) is 400sek (~$56 at the moment) a month here in sweden. You need to be within 300m from the station though. Within 1000m you get 13Mbit/s, and longer than that gets you ADSL 832kbit/s uplink / 8Mbit/s downlink.
    Sadly I live 1400m from my station, even though I live in central Stockholm. :( Shouldn't complain though. 8/1 is ok in my opinion. All I really would want is a faster uplink. 4Mbit/s symmetric would be fine, and could be done at my current distance. But it seems that the lineoperator here in Sweden will not allow it because they are scared of lines starting interfering with eachother. (that seems like bs to me though) We used to have a monopoly on telephone here you know. :P

    1. Re:26 Mbit/s in Sweden by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      copper fone lines ARE interfering with each other, thats no bullshit.

      its called crosstalk.

      go and learn some electrodynamics if you are interested in the tech details :)

    2. Re:26 Mbit/s in Sweden by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >copper fone lines ARE interfering with each other, thats no bullshit.
      > its called crosstalk.

      I know that! The thing is that I think 4Mbit/s symmetric wouldn't pose more of a problem than say 1Mbit/s up, 8 Mbit/s down. Maybe someone can explain more in detail why the uplink would be more sensitive to crosstalk. I guess that it could be related to that it might be too expensive to ship the customer a modulator that is as advanced as the one on the multi port VDSL-board in the station, but what would I know.

      > go and learn some electrodynamics if you are interested in the tech details :)

      Well... I already have, happy now? ;)

  96. In Poland by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A mid sized and relatively poor post communist country in central europe:
    ~25$ for cable capped @ 128kb/s (256kb/s at night and 512kb/s from a local mirror including debian :)
    The connection is pretty poor but the price if affordable, those out of range get a state monoply dialup ~1$ per 6 minutes.

    1. Re:In Poland by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >state monoply dialup ~1$ per 6 minutes.
      erhm, sorry ~.1$ per 6 minutes.

  97. 50 bucks/mo. including tier 2 cable. 1Mbps by gelfling · · Score: 1

    Earthlink/Time Warner. $50/mo. inc tier 2 cable TV. Free cable modem, unlimited number of end points. Speed is rock solid 1Mbps in either direction.

  98. More options than that by EnglishTim · · Score: 3, Informative

    You're leaving out quite a few options:

    For instance, I have Telewest Blueyonder Cable and get 512/128kbs for 25GBP/month.

    There's a lot of ADSL companies and if you shop around you can get some quite good deals - I've seen 512kbs from as low as 19GBP/month, and 2Mb/s fo 29GBP/month.

    Once you've done the GBP-$ conversion, a lot of these will look quite expensive, but that's quite a recent thing - a result of the dollar's fall in value. For instance, although I am paying the equivalent of $46/month now, back in september it was worth $38. These figures include our 17.5% VAT.

    By the way, why the hell won't Slashdot display the symbol for Pounds Sterling? Grr.

    1. Re:More options than that by afp.matt · · Score: 1

      If it's for your grandma, go with Metronet - they do pay-per-MB with a cost cap at GBP28, but if all you want is to surf the net you'll pay 12 or so a month. It's great, I can't fault them :-) 512 down, 256 up.

    2. Re:More options than that by MrAngryForNoReason · · Score: 1

      I am pretty sure Telewest and Ntl are the same company now they just still trade under two different names. IIRC they merged last year.

    3. Re:More options than that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      IIRC they merged last year.

      No, Telewest and NTL are still separate companies although there have been a lot of merger rumours.

  99. Czech Republic by fuxoft · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The cheapest UNLIMITED connection over here is using your mobile phone: About 30 US$ a month. The connection speed is 4kB/s (yes, 4 kilobytes per second) or less.

    Standard dial-up connection is actually much more expensive because you have to pay per minute, there is no flat per-month tariff. If you want to be connected several hours each day, you'll easily pay over $400 (yes, four hundred) per month. The speed is 4 kB/s.

    The cheapest DSL is about $40 a month. The speed less than 16 kb/s (the actual line speed is higher but there is 1:50 overbooking, which, according to Czech Telecom, is "normal") and you pay additional $15 for each 3 GB over the first 10 GB of traffic. Not very cool.

    If you want real UNLIMITED ADSL connection and guaranteed speed of at least 16 kb/s, it will cost you about $800 a month.

    Thank you very much. BTW, Bill Gates is coming over here this month to tell us how great it is to be on the Information Superhighway.

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    --- Frantisek Fuka (Yes, that's my real name and you have no idea how it's pronounced)

    1. Re:Czech Republic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i'am from slovakia,
      unlimited adsl is not $800 a month in CZ,
      you can get 512kbit for under $100,
      did you mean $80 ??

    2. Re:Czech Republic by fuxoft · · Score: 1

      No. Unlimited ADSL with guaranteed speed is about 20,000 CZk per month ($800). Everything else is either not guaranteed speed or the data amount is limited and you have to pay extra for going over the limit. "Not guaranteed" means that you pay for 512/128, the actual speed is 50 times lower and you cannot say a word.

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      --- Frantisek Fuka (Yes, that's my real name and you have no idea how it's pronounced)

    3. Re:Czech Republic by pragueexpat · · Score: 1

      Cable runs me $70 U.S. here in Prague (although I know not many buildings are wired yet) 512/128

      --

      "The prohibition will be strongest when the group is nervous." - Paul Graham

    4. Re:Czech Republic by fuxoft · · Score: 1

      Yes, cable is by far the greatest thing. If you can have it. I live 10 minutes from the city center and there's no cable in our street.

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      --- Frantisek Fuka (Yes, that's my real name and you have no idea how it's pronounced)

  100. Alaska by core+plexus · · Score: 1
    In The Valley we have DSL from our member-owned cooperative, and it's about $49.99/month for the first 11 gigs. Dialup is $20, or free sometimes during a promo from some other phone company. I don't know what cable is, since we don't have cable way out here, and I am happy with DSL.

    -cp-

    Alaska Bugs Sweat Gold Nuggets

  101. Prices in Switzerland by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fast internet was quite expensive here in Switzerland a moment ago but since copetition is picking up, it's gotten much cheaper.
    The propably fastest an cheapest way now is Cable:
    500/100 for 45 CHF = 36.17 USD
    1000/200 for 60 CHF = 48.23 USD
    2000/400 for 75 CHF = 60.29 USD
    3000/800 for 150 CHF = 120.58 USD
    The downside to this is that cable is not yet available everywhere. You have to be rather lucky to be able to get cable.
    The leader for ADSL sells:
    300/50 for 49 CHF = 39.39 USD
    600/100 for 79 CHF = 63.50 USD
    -> This ISP announced to double the speed in early 2004 (300 to 600 and 600 to 1200).
    Though you can go cheaper with other ISPs.

  102. The Netherlands by scsirob · · Score: 1

    There's multiple options to choose from in The Nethherlands. Cable has two or three major suppliers, prices range from E22.95 for a 400Kb/s down / 64Kb/s uplink to E79.95 for 3Mb/s down / 384 up.

    There's also a huge number of ADSL/SDSL suppliers ranging from E14.95 for 256/64Kb/s connections to E99.95 for 8Mb/1024Kb. The cheap ones employ huge overcommit rates (20:1 or so). You get what you pay for..

    If you have real money to spend you can also opt for SDSL, about E250 for 2Mb/s both ways.

    Any of the above are available in about 90% of the country.

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    To Terminate, or not to Terminate, that's the question - SCSIROB
  103. In Australia by Randy+Wang · · Score: 1

    On the foreign front, in Australia we're getting 256/128 for AUS$70/month (something in the order of US$40-50, I think), which is *cheap* for us, especially given the unlimited bandwidth.

    We used to get 400Mb/month dialup from BigPond for a *mere* $24.95/month.

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    --- Egads, I glow in the dark!
    1. Re:In Australia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      www.swiftdsl.com.au is doing better deals than this in major metro areas. i'm gettin' 512/128 adsl for about 59.00 (4 GB limit).

      Nope, i don't work for 'em either ...

    2. Re:In Australia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      in Australia we're getting 256/128 for AUS$70/month ...

      You're getting ripped off if you're paying that much. Westnet/iiNet/Swiftel (and many others) have 256/128 plans for AUD$40 to $60/month.

    3. Re:In Australia by Antarius · · Score: 0

      All of the prices being quoted are for Metro areas, of course.

      It's worth noting that the Cable broadband is Metro only, the best choices being Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane only. Anywhere else and nobody cares.

      Once you move into Region 2, you can add at between $30 and $50/month to any of the non-Telstra plans.

      For the unenlightened, "Telstra" is a non de plume for "Microsoft."

    4. Re:In Australia by willdenniss · · Score: 1

      Telstra now have some new Cable plans: AUD$70 for 10GB, uncapped download speed (1.5MBit I think? - real world speeds top out at 500kb/s). And after 10GB you drop to 64k - which is better than paying for excess usage at inflated rates. Will.

  104. Re:Sweden - Cable by Chello. by axafluff · · Score: 2, Informative

    Cable at 640/256 for ~50 USD (at 7,17 SEK/USD). Switching soon.

  105. Germany by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    $75 (59 Euro) for a dedicated DSL line (1024/256) flat, no disconnect, fastpath

    there are cheaper offers in combination with a ISDN line together, but i dont like the company :-)

    This is my 2nd DSL line, i switched after the 1st provider killed the Flatrate. It had the same price, but with ISDN togeter.

    Expensive? Yes, but i remeber times when i paid $700 for the phoneline to use internet with a modem, flatrates for phones are not available (afaik) in .de

  106. Northern Minnesota by kfic · · Score: 1

    I pay 40 dollers a month for 2 mbit down 256k up from charter. only other option is 256k dsl for around the same price... might actualy be a better deal since i have to [as the bastards say]powercycle my modem about 2x a day.

  107. FUCKING TELSTRA IN AUSTRALIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    sucks like fucking shit dumb fucking monopolising muther fucker cunts... WE HATES THEM MY PRECIOUS

  108. Southeastern MA by Magus311X · · Score: 1

    3Mbps down, 300kbps up. $45/mo.

    This is Comcast cable. It's $2-3/mo cheaper if you provide your modem, and about $12 more if you're not a cable TV subscriber with them. Service is pretty good.

    DSL is similarly priced.

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  109. Example from Germany by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You have to pay two separate entities:

    1) Your DSL provider. Which is usually the pseudo-monopolistic Deutsche Telekom, because they own the wires. T-DSL with 768 kbit/s

    If you have ISDN: 12.99 Euro/Month
    If you have Analog phone: 19.99 Euro/Month

    (the higher price if you already have an analoge phone is a ripp-off, it is the same physical wire independent if you already have ISDN or analog).

    In both cases you have to pay a one-time fee of 99,95 EUR in addition for, well, for having to buy from them :-(

    2) An ISP.

    If you again choose Deutsche Telecom, you can e.g. pay 29.95 Euro/Month for a flat rate, or 24.95 for 5GB transfer volume (they have other traifs, too).

    Other ISPs also charge around 28 - 29 Euro / Mouth for a flat rate (they have to buy connectivity from Deutsche Telekom :-(), but if you are a little bit more clever you can e.g. get 5GB transfer volume for 9.90 Euro / Month.

    So e.g. ADSL with 5GB / Month if you have an analog phone can be as "cheap" as 29.89 Euro / Month :-(

    1. Re:Example from Germany by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Check out tiscali.de - they have a flat rate for EUR 15.60 - It works pretty well for me (no portlmits afaik)

  110. comcast customer here... by caino59 · · Score: 1

    in south western pennsylvania....

    pay something like 40 USD / month for 3mb down, 256k up...

    i am fairly happy with the service...no downtime in 6 months, and in fact, I have had the same IP for the past 6 months...

    Very happy with the speed too. Multiple tests at dslreports.com confirm the advertised speeds.

    My only complaint is that their DNS servers are slow as balls. However, that is remedied by using a seperate set of dns servers (considering setting up one in house)

    Also, they report on their site that their is supposedly a 1GB limit per month downstream...I easily surpass that each month between my roomate and myself, and have heard no complaints as of yet...

  111. John Smith was right all along. by jhobbs · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I live in a city of 5 million and pay $60 a month for a cable modem. My mom lives in a upper class bedroom community of 15,000 and pays $45 a month for a cable modem. My dad lives in a small town of 2,000 and pays $28 a month for a cable modem.

    Its all about what the market will bear. My cable modem cost %0.0167 what my rent does. My dad's is %0.0934 of his mortgage. He pays less than 1/2 what I pay because he lives in a small community that as a whole could not support a service that cost as much per month as a weeks groceries. I can swallow $60 a month becuase that's less that dinner for two at a local resturant.

    Go read Wealth of Nations and come back tommorrow. As for you socialists out there, sorry about the taxes.

    1. Re:John Smith was right all along. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go read Wealth of Nations and come back tommorrow.

      Might want to check the author's name while you've got it.

    2. Re:John Smith was right all along. by jhobbs · · Score: 1

      Damn. Adam Smith, my bad.

  112. Telus ADSL in Vancouver by AnimeFreak · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Home package: $35.00 CDN (plus GST/PST) ($27.50 USD) (21.50 EUR)

    Package includes:
    - 1.5 Mbit downstream
    - 512 Kbit upstream
    - 2 dynamic IPs
    - 3 e-mail addresses

    They don't care about the usage of broadband NAT setups either, and they're also pretty relaxed on broadband.

    1. Re:Telus ADSL in Vancouver by Quobobo · · Score: 1

      Yeah, Telus is pretty good. Their customer support is abysmal, but they also neglect massive bandwidth use. I, um, have a friend who has Bittorrent open all month long, and he hasn't ever recieved a complaint from Telus.

  113. DSL in the UK by LaserLyte · · Score: 1

    Here in the UK, most of us don't get a chance to use anything over 2Mbps :(. I pay 65/mo (~$110 USD) for 2Mbps, but I can't get any faster than that.

  114. Sao Paulo, Brazil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    My 256kbps cable costs about U$20 , but you also have to pay an ISP (government bullshit) so add another 10 bucks. So in Sao Paulo (Brazil) it's around U$30 for 256kbps cable.

    1. Re:Sao Paulo, Brazil by EduardoFonseca · · Score: 1

      It's not government bullshit. It's the ISP's association that got that "gift" from ANATEL years ago... I hate that too.

  115. Tahlequah, Oklahoma by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cable $44 per month with a 1 year contract. Add $10 per month if you don't want a 1 year commitment. Claimed speeds are 512 kbps maximum download rate and a 256 kbps maximum upload rate, which is pretty close to reality (for me, at least). Southwestern-Bell "Yahoo" DSL is also available here if you live within 2 miles of the college campus and is priced about the same.

    1. Re:Tahlequah, Oklahoma by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I should also add that the name of the company is "cablelynx"(www.cablelynx.com) and I get about a 96% uptime.

  116. Current exchange rate by FromWithin · · Score: 1

    A strange time to ask such a question when the value of the dollar is way below average.

    Conversions of broadband prices from any currency into dollars with the current exchange rate will probably make Americans think that everybody else is paying absurdly high prices (although Canada still seems very cheap).

    As an example, 1GBP is currently worth a massive 1.83USD whereas it usually hovers around 1.6USD. 1EUR is now worth 1.27USD where it's generally been about 1.15USD

  117. Yeah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's about we had martial law in this country.

  118. New Zealand IS The Worst By Far! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've had both US and NZ broadband. Nothing to really whine about in the US. Here in NZ it runs in the US hundreds of dollars for speeds in the mbps range. Once you go over the small monthly limit it escalates. I've had US $400 bills for one month.

  119. But not in Brazil by gustgr · · Score: 3, Informative

    Here in Brazil the prices are high. I pay R$120,00 reals (the brazilian currency, equivalent to US$40) for a 256k/256k cable modem service with several ports (http, ftp, telnet, ssh) closed for serving.

    The 300k/300k DSL service arround the country are about that price too, and they are pretty restrictive (3gb down / mo.).

    Looking at the minimum salary of Brazil (about US$90) you can conclude that this is really a high price: more than 50% of the paycheck that more than 70% of the Brazilians get.

    1. Re:But not in Brazil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here in Brazil the prices are high.

      Plus you have to read the screen through those magnifying lenses.

    2. Re:But not in Brazil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is that $90 per week?

    3. Re:But not in Brazil by stuntshell · · Score: 1

      montly

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    4. Re:But not in Brazil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously, what were they thinking in that movie? Were those "computer's" there for comic relief or something?

    5. Re:But not in Brazil by asr_br · · Score: 1
      The 300k/300k DSL service arround the country are about that price too, and they are pretty restrictive (3gb down / mo.).

      I don't know in which state you are (Sao Paulo?), but in the state of Parana (at the south) we pay something like US$ 33,00 (R$ 81,00 + R$ 20,00) for ADSL 300/150Kbps, and US$ 40,00 (R$ 101,00 + R$ 20,00) for 600/300Kbps. No monthly limit and "only" the ports 80, 21 and 137 are blocked. (Prices from BrasilTelecom)

      Yes, that is pretty expensive, just not as restrictive as you report.

      BTW, I don't know about other countries, but the brazilian legislation does not allow telecoms to operate as ISPs, so we have to pay for the link *and* for an ISP account in order to have an Internet connection :(.

    6. Re:But not in Brazil by dcs · · Score: 1

      Well, you are not covered by Brasil Telecom.

      Here:

      Plano Downstream Upstream Mensalidade
      (Fixa)*

      Turbo 300 Ate 300 Kbps Ate 150 Kbps R$ 81,04
      Turbo 600 Ate 600 Kbps Ate 300 Kbps R$ 100,41
      Mega Turbo Ate 1 Mbps Ate 300 Kbps R$ 201,83

      On top of that you need an ISP, of course, which usually price around R$20.

      The breakdown, so people don't need to go Yahoo Finances, is about US$33 for 300/150 Kbps, US$40 for 600/300 Kbps and US$70 for 1000/300 Kbps.

      And there is no download cap. Or, at least, none that I have ever reached. I have the "Mega Turbo" myself, and I have easily downloaded more than 6 GB december.

      BrT has one competitor, GVT, which seems to price their product similarly.

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  120. slovakia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the cheapest and fastes here is Chello (internet thru TV cable)
    512kbs download 128kbs upload for 45USD/month
    or
    756/256 for 60USD/month
    but is only avaiable in the capital city

    DSL are 50% more expensive, is avaiable in more cities, not everywhere

    dialup is very expensive 1-2USD/hour

  121. JENS Monopoly by Bios_Hakr · · Score: 1

    About 4 years ago, JENS signed a contract with AAFES to provide service to military stations in Japan. I live in Northwest Tokyo and paid, for 3 years, $40/month for 90 hours of dialup service. Going over that limit was very expensive. A lot of 'power users' had several accounts and switched between them every two weeks.

    Finally, after twy years of bitching, JENS upgraded to DSL. We now pay $60/month for 1.5mbps down and who knows how much up. Actually, the upstream doesn't matter at all. Why? No global IP addresses. Without a publicly addressable IP, any intention of sharing is crushed.

    We cannot host any type of server. No games, no VoIP, no MSN or Yahoo voice/video chat, no filesharing at all. Funny thing is, even though I can't get something like TeamSpeak or NeverWinter Nights to create a server avalible to the internet, BitTorrent still works both ways flawlessly.

    Anyway, long story short: I pay $60 for 1.5mbps via a US government-granted monopoly while my Japanese neighbor pays $30/month for 100mbps fiber-to-the-desktop.

    On a side note, if anyone has any neat tricks to allow serving a game or VoIP server behind a NAT, I'd be interested in hearing them. The DSL network assigns 255.255.255.252 subnet masks, so even other people on the network cannot see me without going outside the NAT gateway.

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    1. Re:JENS Monopoly by dslbrian · · Score: 1

      No global IP addresses. Without a publicly addressable IP, any intention of sharing is crushed.

      You need to check out dynamic DNS, its been out for quite a while, and many places are free - for example, see dyndns.org

    2. Re:JENS Monopoly by pyrros · · Score: 1

      >>No global IP addresses. Without a publicly addressable IP, any intention of sharing is crushed.

      >You need to check out dynamic DNS, its been out for quite a while, and many places are free - for example, see dyndns.org

      I can't see how that can help him. Dynamic DNS fixes the "my ISP gives me a dynamic IP", not the "my ISP puts me behind a stupid NAT" problem.

    3. Re:JENS Monopoly by dslbrian · · Score: 1

      Ahh, you are correct, I misunderstood the question. To the parent post, sorry, not sure how to bypass the NAT for inbound traffic.

  122. Comcast in Boston Area by shadowxtc · · Score: 1

    I'm 4 miles outside of Boston, MA, USA in Revere (02151) and have Comcast "Broadband" cable. I got it in 1996 when it first came out with 1.5mbit/512kbit - now I'm reduced to 512kbit/128kbt - yet their commercials keep claiming to have "doubled the speed for free". Hrmph. Anyway, you won't believe this, but our city SUCKS with negotiating - I'm paying $60/mo for the connection plus $10/mo for renting the modem PLUS $15/mo for "home networking" - 2 extra IP addresses (worthless dynamic IPs, I might add). Connection is highly intermittent, has high latency, and clearly is overcrowded with clients as the speed fluctuates wildly (sometimes max. download is as low as 20k/s).

    1. Re:Comcast in Boston Area by atv1990 · · Score: 1

      wow im down in Richmond, VA and i have the 3Mbps/256k cable from comcast for 42.50/mo

  123. Magma DSL: great value in Toronto/Ottawa by TheEnigma · · Score: 1

    I share 3Mbit DSL with my room-mate. We pay CAN$70 + $10 for fixed IP. I get 360KB (kiloBYTE)downloads regularly, say from Apple. It's fantastic. We get 40GB up and 40GB down per month plus unlimited data transfer from 12am-8am. Needless to say this more than meets our needs. With the selection of stuff on the 'net, we totally cancelled cable. Stick it, Rogers.

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  124. BFE, Georgia by adrew · · Score: 1

    Surprisingly enough, we have GREAT (~3Mbit) DSL from Frontier out here in the sticks (Statesboro, Georgia).

    We pay them $79 a month, total, the DSL and our phone service. AFAIK there are no usage caps and they don't care that I have my router set up to give free wireless to anybody who wants it.

    1. Re:BFE, Georgia by Richter+X · · Score: 1

      And just how far does this wireless reach? I'm in Hagan, Georgia. Just west of the fruitcake capitol Claxton.

  125. Mediacom by Verteiron · · Score: 1

    Mediacom spans IL, eastern IA, and parts of MO and WI. Their cable internet access rates are actually some of the highest in the country for the service they offer. $55/month for 1.5Mb down/128Kb up. If you get other cable service from them it's something like $45/month + the rest of the bill. If you're a business, you'll pay $100 minimum for the exact same service and bandwidth.

    In western IL/eastern IA there is also DSL available from McLeodUSA and Qwest. Rates and speeds are pretty comparable: About $40/month for 384Kb/256Kb. One thing that's actually starting to take off around here is wireless broadcast access. The pricing is pretty comparable to DSL, but you don't have to be in a certain location to get it, as long as you have line of site on the broadcast tower. I believe the main provider of this is Dynamic Broadband, formerly Web Unwired.

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  126. look at the differences in their economies by MonkeysKickAss · · Score: 0

    well you would expect prices to behigher in Canada because their economy isnt doing as well as the US. Also prices in Canada tend to be more expensive than in the US and their aren't as many intenet providers.

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  127. Australian pricings ADSL (Melbourne) by WrkActJob · · Score: 1

    I was paying $69 (AUD) for 256/64 ADSL, but my ISP has just brought in a plan that doubles that for less per month :-)

    So it will be $59 (AUD) for 512/128. I'm after speed, not volume. So thats 3 GB per month, then slowed down to dial up.

    $59 AUD is about $59 CAN or $45 USD.

    To put that into perspective, $59 AUD would get you 2 CDs or about 1.5 new release DVDs. Roughly.

    - David
    "There's a bear in there" (your turn)

    1. Re:Australian pricings ADSL (Melbourne) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bah! I'm paying $79/mo (12mo contract) for UNLIMITED 512/128
      Booya!

    2. Re:Australian pricings ADSL (Melbourne) by jaytanchuenjin · · Score: 1

      For complete Australian pricing see Broadband Choice.

  128. Norway (NextGenTel) by gspr · · Score: 2, Informative

    $58/month (NOK 399) for a 1000/384 kbps ADSL line (yes, 1000, they're all into using good looking base10 numbers here nowadays).
    It might be a stiff price compared to the US, but at least there are no restrictions on the line. That is to say, there are no transfer limits, no rules against running servers, etc.

    1. Re:Norway (NextGenTel) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Speakeasy in Chicago has no restrictions on running anything - as long as you are not trying to conduct business , that is.

  129. Australia - AU$50/month with fine print by Ezza · · Score: 1

    The best prices we have is AU$50/month (~US$39) for 256/64 adsl (PPPoE), BUT you have to sign up for at least 6 months as well as pay in advance, and that's only if you can actually get it where you live. Also that only very recently (the past month or so) became unlimited - before it was bandwidth throttled for that price.
    Cable is around $70/month but it's bandwidth capped or limited and the contracts are even longer (24 months in some cases!!)

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  130. Prague Cable modem by pragueexpat · · Score: 1

    roughly $70 U.S. for cable 512 down, 128 up. Anyone out there in South Korea? I'm curious if the prices are lower since they are so wired.

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  131. It's about monopolies by wazzzup · · Score: 1

    I just cancelled my cable modem and cable t.v. and I'm going back to dialup [shudder]. Time Warner raised our monthly rates $20/mo. for cable t.v and modem for a total of over $120/mo. I'm talking what they call basic cable (no movie channels) and consumer level broadband. They're the only game in town, they've got a monopoly and I can no longer justify supporting it. The real kick in the pants is that my parents, 50 miles away, have 2 companies in their area that offer cable t.v. and broadband. They get both t.v. and modem (basically, what I had) for a little over $40/mo.

    Now I've got $6.95/mo. dialup and rabbit ears on the t.v.'s but I think my kids and I (not to mention my wallet) will be better off without the distraction. Books are of so much more value than t.v. anyway and I'll be spending less time in front of the computer and more time with my family or a good book.

    Didn't I read on Slashdot a while back that Time Warner ultimately wanted to charge customers like $240/mo. or some nonesense like that for their services?

    1. Re:It's about monopolies by Jon+Abbott · · Score: 1

      Power to the rabbit ears, brother! I'm right there with you.

    2. Re:It's about monopolies by CrackedButter · · Score: 1


      Its a pity you were forced into this situation. I on the otherhand made a choice because there is only so much you can do with your day.
      I gave up TV, VCR, DVD, Satellite and all I have is internet radio streamed through iTunes and a net connection with a laptop.
      TV is a waste of life and its wasted further when you have 999 channels telling us what else we should buy. But the point is, its good to break free from it all, you have to be creative and do something else. I'm also 22 and go against the norm. But nearly everyday i'm asked if I saw such and such a program and I answer with gasps comin g all around me "I don't watch TV".

    3. Re:It's about monopolies by CrackedButter · · Score: 1

      Do you lack a TV as well?

    4. Re:It's about monopolies by Jon+Abbott · · Score: 1

      No, but I may as well. All I watch nowadays is PBS and Jeopardy. :^)

      BTW, "rabbit ears" is the affectionate term for a TV antenna.

    5. Re:It's about monopolies by jmv · · Score: 1

      I think your close to the reason. It seems like the companies in the US cover much smaller areas and can set whatever price they want when there's no other company in the area. If you look at Quebec (7M people), you've got one DSL provider (Bell Canada) and one (major) cable company (Videotron). Now, since they can't really change their rates according to the region (they'd get crucified), they have to compete against each other. Now even if in your region all you have is DSL, you still benefit the competition.

    6. Re:It's about monopolies by deacon · · Score: 1
      I Don't know if you are joking about rabbit ears, but..

      If you put up an external antenna (increases signal reception area and increases height above the ground), mounted on an antenna rotator (allows you to turn the ant to eliminate ghosting), and you put an antenna pre-amplifier (boosts the ant signal) up on the antenna itself (to minimize signal loss from the ant to the pre-amp) you might find that you can cleanly get channels 100 miles away..

      With "rabbit ears" I got 3 channels.

      With the above setup I got 18.

      heres a link for ant and amp stuff..

      http://www.channelmaster.com/pages/TVS/Products.ht m

      After many years of that, I concluded the TV was a mind control device, designed to either piss me off (the news) or make me spend money on crap (the ads), or make me forget reality and go with the flow (All the other content) and so I took all this apart and put it away, but that's not relevant to what you want to do..

    7. Re:It's about monopolies by dslbrian · · Score: 1

      Time Warner raised our monthly rates $20/mo. for cable t.v and modem for a total of over $120/mo.

      I've noticed the same thing here (Austin,TX). Time Warner was about $100/mo for basic digital TV and cable (about $50 each) when I signed up for it. Its been quickly climbing to the $120 range. Time Warner has no shortage of customers in this area, so they are basically just squeezing people for money. Of course when you think about it, for every customer they lose ($120/mo), they need to squeeze about 12 other people to make up for the loss (extra $10/mo each).

      So I'm moving in about 4 weeks and its looks like Time Warner won't be coming along. Now I get to re-explore DSL in the area, but having dealt with SW Bell DSL a couple years back I don't really like that prospect either...

    8. Re:It's about monopolies by Zalgon+26+McGee · · Score: 1

      Bell owns the local loop, but there are many DSL resellers. Mine offers better pricing and a more tech-friendly environment ie no ports blocked.

      http://www.istop.com

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  132. Moscow, Russia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am paying $100 monthly for a 1Mbit ADSL with 2Gb of traffic included. Each megabyte above the limit costs $0.10
    Company - Tochka.Ru

  133. Portugal by Nereveraine · · Score: 1

    Well where i live, portugal as you have 1 single company that controls all the phone lines, and 1 single company responsible for Cable (and they both belong to the same group) we are pretty much being robbed, you get 512/128 (cable and ADSL) for around $45, with 20Gb of national traffic and 2 GB of international. If you want something without limits, well you pay between $80 and $100, all this for a 512/128. If you want something a bit faster like 1Mbit down 256 up you can get ready to pay $250 a month, and for 1Mbit up, get $500 per month and if they like you, you can have it since they dont provide it for the general public...

    1. Re:Portugal by mindstormpt · · Score: 1

      Basically, the largest cable provider charges 35 (about $45) per month for a 640/128 kbps service, with 1gb of international downloads ans 20gb of national downloads... The price ain't that bad actually, the limits are outrageous though. Anyway all the broadband ISPs have them, so you can't really run away, unless you choose more expensive services... Then there is the quality problem... The connections are unstable, probably more than half of the broadband users have complaints about the service. Oh and note that the minimum wage in Portugal is around $400, and the medium wage is a little over $1000

    2. Re:Portugal by r_cerq · · Score: 1

      Actually... we have 1 company which owns most of the local loops, and another which is the largest cable operator (but not the only one), both belonging to the monopolistic incumbent operator.
      ADSL in Portugal is mostly (but not exclusively) wholesale reselling of the same product, at around 35 EUR/mo for 512/128 (with a 1:50 guarantee :) ). Some telcos do offer alternative solutions, which are cheaper and better (up to 4 Mbps for 300 EUR, and 2:1 guaranteed), but restricted to half-a-dozen areas.
      Cable is a much more varied, but the largest operator top-seller is 640/128 for 35 EUR. Smaller telcos sell 64/64, 128/64, 256/128, 512/128. There are a few 1 and 2 Mbps offers, too.
      The fun thing is that almost everyone limits the amount of traffic, and most of them make a distinction between national and international traffic (Portugal is just filled with interesting stuff... NOT).

    3. Re:Portugal by nexUK · · Score: 1

      Who limits the domestic vs international traffic? Cabovisao? as TVCabo doesnt. One thing I have noticed is that most European traffic that isnt offloaded at the PIX goes to the US (where marconi buys their transit from) and back again. BTW I thought that PT offered 1Mb/s ADSL connections.

    4. Re:Portugal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By the way cable clients also have to have cabletv so 35+19.60(no extras 44 channels).
      Adsl is a bit cheapear with a month fee of ~34,99+(~15 for phone line).

  134. $24 USD is expensive? by Dragoon412 · · Score: 1

    I live near Detroit, MI, and Comcast is the only broadband provider in this area***, and I'm paying $50 USD/month for a 3.0mpbs/348kbps connection that goes out several times a week.

    What I want to know is how the Norweigans and Swedish get such awesome speed. Every single one I've met seems to have a symmetric 22mbps (or faster) connection for less than I'm paying. And if I'm not mistaken, they certainly don't have population density like Korea and Japan...

    ***We do have DSL around here, but, long story short, I had Speakeasy, and they tried to charge me $300 after SBC changed my circuit for no apparent reason. Had to get the BBB involved... was a big ugly mess, and the service was $90USD/month, anyways, plus the cost of the land line - not exactly what you'd call competetive.

    1. Re:$24 USD is expensive? by matoh · · Score: 1

      As for Sweden, we had a very agressive newcomer coming early into the market, promising and delivering at a low price. The old telco and others had to match that, or see the market disappearing totally from under them.

      That, and the fact that the local communities (corresponding to counties/cities) are very keen on laying down a lot of fibre, renting bandwidth at low cost to ISPs, in order to attract businesses and taxpayers.

    2. Re:$24 USD is expensive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are living in a fucking blue-collar, minority riddden City.

  135. Norway by halftrack · · Score: 1

    Here's a list that I believe is complete. It contains both broadband, DSL and dial-up prices. The first column is the ISP and subscription type, then there's the one-time connection fee, the next is the monthly fee, then there's a billing fee, start fee, running fee (per minute) and then there's a fee for getting nessecary equipment (mostly for ISDN.) All prices are in NOK. (1U$D ~ 6.8NOK)

    The list's from the Norwegian Post and Telecommunication Authority which all norwegian telecom operators are required to submitt prices to.

    (bredband = broadband)

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  136. cable in the fairfax county next to washington dc by UVABlows · · Score: 1

    54.95 / mo for 3mb/192k for cox, w/o cox cable tv
    39.95 w/ cable tv

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  137. Sweden by matoh · · Score: 2, Informative

    I just saw that Bredbandsbolaget is going to offer 100Mbit/s (max 300 GB/month) to their customers this spring. Wonder what that is going to cost... :-)

  138. DC Metro area by jbeall · · Score: 1

    We pay about $32/month here in Faifax, VA (just outside of DC). That is only because we have our local, long distance, and internet service rolled into one package, though; as an earlier poster noted, Verizon (our provider) typically charges $40/month. We get 768/128 down/up. I am not sure what pricing is for more, other than "more." Also, I have heard a lot of people complain about Verizon's service, but our experience has been quite good. We typically get near 768kbps downstream (on the order of 720-740knps), and our upstream seems to exceed the 128kbps limit, but that may be my imagination. I have not actually done any testing for that.

  139. 50$/month, SW Pennsylvannia by CrazyJim0 · · Score: 1

    Comcast.

  140. Charter Cable in Michigan is expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the UP, they are it.

    My employer was quoted, a nonprofit:

    $45 for basic cable
    $35 for internet (includes $10 discount)
    $30 per month for firewall (they control passwords and access)
    $10 allowance charge to recieve email (bandwidth charge)
    $20 per computer on network (15 computers)
    $25 http or other server

    Hey bunky, add that up, that's the per month charge for a 2 year contract. Break the contract, you go year to year at +30%, and you still owe two years.

    Sweet.

    1. Re:Charter Cable in Michigan is expensive by flewp · · Score: 1

      In Milwaukee it's 50 for Road Runner (cable) if you don't have cable TV, and it's 40 if you do have some sort of cable TV service. No contract, just monthly. I think it's 15 dollars a month extra per additional IP.

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    2. Re:Charter Cable in Michigan is expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are getting jacked....

      Here in Reno it is $10/mo in addition to your monthly cable tv bill for 1.5Mbps down / 128Kbp up.

      The only drawbacks are they filter everything except ssh that is lower than port 1024.

      With all of the cable channels I get this for $68/mo.

  141. The complete list of Swedish Broadband by surstrmming · · Score: 2, Informative

    Here's a complete list with prices of Swedish Broadband. Highlights: 26 mbit/s for 499 SEK/month (US$60) http://internetworld.idg.se/tjanster/bredband/

  142. Hawaii by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Verizon sells 768/128 for $36/mo with a dynamic IP that never changes -- this is pretty good given the prices in Hawaii (gas sells for over $2). Businesses can speeds up to 1.5M/1.5M for higher rates.

    Verizon also allows for networked computers to be connected (no extra charge), running servers, and no ports are blocked. Speed is almost always running at 768Kbps on my connection.

    The drawback is that you need to keep phone service to get DSL.

    The alternative is cable RoadRunner, which is more expensive and fails occasionally, yet offers higher speeds. Their Hawaii web site is also terrible and malfunctioning -- one would believe they don't want our business.

  143. Millennium Digital Media by Go+Aptran · · Score: 1
    In Seattle Millennium Cable's top residential "High-Speed" offering is 150KB/s for $49.95. I get it as part of a package and share it with two other roommates who rarely use it, so it makes the pricing easier to swallow. The service goes down about once a month.

    If I lived TWO BLOCKS closer to downtown Seattle, I could get Comcast which is 250KB/s for about $10 - $15 more.

    DSL with Qwest isn't even an option that I care to investigate. I've been through that experience.

    I called Comcast to find out why I couldn't get service through them... they were apologetic but told me that the city regulations prevented them from selling me service as the city of Seattle has a contract with Millennium for that part of town.

    I have no great love for Comcast, but it's disheartening to keep bumping up against government regulations that protect substandard service and reward mediocrity.

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  144. Prices for Tallahassee, FL by Jon+Abbott · · Score: 1
    In Tallahassee, we have a duopoly running the broadband market. Both have a tiered pricing structure that benefits the company more than the consumer. Here is the breakdown for Sprint's telecommunications packages (note: prices quoted are for 512 Kb/s DSL, and no, I don't work for Sprint or any of its affiliates -- I just know this info from my own broadband research):

    Personal solutions plan: ($39.75/mo.)

    call waiting, caller id etc. plus two "premium" features (voice mail, line guard etc)

    adding dsl costs an additional $30/mo.

    long distance: per usage 7cents/min (no fee if no use)

    total w/dsl: $69.74/mo.

    Home solutions plan: ($28.90/mo.)

    call waiting, caller id and some other stuff plus line guard

    adding dsl costs an additional $35/mo.

    long distance: per usage 10 cents/min

    total w/dsl: $63.90/mo.

    A la carte ($21.90/mo.)

    breaks down to $11 for basic, $6 for call waiting, $6 for line guard

    adding dsl costs an additional $40/mo.

    long distance: 30 min free for a month or two. after that it's 15 cents/min. there is also a 40 cent/min option.

    total w/dsl: $62.90

    Keep in mind that all of these rates are for 512Kb/s DSL. They probably charge $10 or 15/mo. more for 1.5 MB/s. All DSL options have a one year minimum subscription.

    Comcast also has tiered prices, which depend on whether you have cable or not. Unfortunately I don't remember them too well, or have them on file. I believe they wanted $63/mo. just for broadband if you don't have cable, and somewhere around $50/mo. if you did have cable.

    In case you need GPS coordinates for Tallahassee for your project, they are W84.3, N30.4.

    1. Re:Prices for Tallahassee, FL by Jon+Abbott · · Score: 1

      Forgot to mention: Sprint's uplink in Tallahassee is 128Kb/s, and no, I don't work for Comcast or its affiliates, either. :^)

  145. Data for Mexico by Roadmaster · · Score: 1

    Well, you wanted worldwide data so here's a point for you. In Mexico you can get ADSL service from Telmex (phone company) under the Prodigy Infinitum brand; they charge $499 pesos a month for 256 kbps speed, 899 a month for 512 kbps speed, and $4599 a month for 2 mbps. Translated to US dollars (about $10.25 pesos per dollar) that comes to about 49, 88 and 449 dollars per month respectively.

    You can also get broadband via the cable TV company, this costs about 249 pesos for the company I know of (Cablevision), this is about 24.50 bucks a month.

    Keep in mind you already need to have the "basic" service, either a phone line (for the phone company option) or cable for your tv (for cable modem access). These basics cost about the same, about 20 bucks a month.

  146. Roadrunner, midwest ... by JoeGee · · Score: 1

    $54.95 per month, 3 mbps down/384 kbps up. In this town DSL *starts* at $49.95 for 768 kbps down/128 kbps up.

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  147. Broadband in Argentina by Beuno · · Score: 2, Informative

    Keeping in mind here 1u$s = $3 pesos (our currency), which practically means it's three times harder for us to buy things, my current broadband cable (512 down, 128 up) connection costs around 40u$s.

  148. Australian broadband is at least 50$ AUD per month by AbRASiON · · Score: 1

    I currently pay 80$ per month for 512 down, 128 up (DSL) and get 20gb per month download allocation (this is actually one of the better deals out there)

    I beleive this high price may have something to do with telstra charging the isp's a large amount to run the ports or some such.

    The 50$ plans (40$ US?) have around 4gb download allocation (per month) and it's 256/64 - excess data is either at capped speeds (5k a second) or 5$ a gb.

    For more information on ALL Australian BBand check this link http://bc.whirlpool.net.au/bc-plan.cfm

  149. wow, when am i going to get dsl/good pricing? by Hellasboy · · Score: 1

    i pay 50$ a month for 1.5 down and .256 up via earthlink. i would go with another provider but for some reason no other dsl company will service my residence (im just south of denver, co). hell, even earthlink doesn't think i get dsl and they service me! well, when i put my number in their website they show that I can't get dsl... even though i pay them 50$ and am obviously using it now... sigh.

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  150. Prices in Denmark by C32 · · Score: 1

    Here in Denmark I pay around 100USD for 2mbit/256k DSL.
    Pretty expensive, but it does have impressive uptime and stable bandwidth + true unlimited quota, so I guess it's not too bad.

    1. Re:Prices in Denmark by MFA.at.DK · · Score: 1

      And around 360 DKR (6DKR =~ 1US$, so approx 60US$) for 512(256)/128 flat-rate... (256 because it has recently fallen, so a month ago it was for 256/128...

      Morten | MFA | Karma Something

  151. PDX DSL by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 1

    About 50 bucks a month in Portland with Qwest for a 640k up and down with no limitations and unlimited bandwidth per month and 5 static IPs.

  152. South Africa, omg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is only one ADSL provider in South Africa.

    Entry level pricing is R680 p/m, which equals about $104, per month!
    There's who is getting screwed the hardest.

    http://www.telkom.co.za/pricing/content/adsl.jsp

  153. BoStream, Sweden by Jhan · · Score: 1

    My ISP (BoStream) has just made a new service available, here's the current prices (american dollars per month).

    • iStream, 0.5 Mb, $42
    • xStream, 2.5 Mb, $63
    • Scream, 26 (!) Mb, $56
    Yes, you read that right. More than ten times the performance for less money. Since I'm a xStream customer I am switching right now!

    Note to USAians: if those prices seem high it's only because the dollar has plummeted. $56 per month is more than affordable for me, or any reasonably well paid Swede.

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    1. Re:BoStream, Sweden by dastrike · · Score: 1

      A little clarification is required I think regarding the Bostream's scream, as it is heavily dependant on distance from the phone station:

      • Less than 300 m: up to 26/26 Mbps (4-channel VDSL)
      • Less than 1000 m: up to 13/13 Mbps (4-channel VDSL)
      • Less than 5500 m: up to 8/1 Mbps (ADSL)

      Very few will actually be able to get the 26 Mbps due to the awfully short maximum distance to the phone station.

      And then there is the scream lite that is a bit cheaper but with some considerably slower speeds, from e.g. 256/64 kbps for 198.00 kr SEK = $27.64 USD.

      I myself have Bostream's scream and as I live about 3500 m away from the phone station I thus have the 8/1 Mbps ADSL. It works pretty well, the maximum download speeds I've got is over 900 kB/s when having multiple downloads in progress at the same time. The highest individual download speed I've seen so far was about 700 kB/s.

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    2. Re:BoStream, Sweden by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We have similar pricing in the Netherlands and I too cannot understand why anyone would call it expensive.
      Compare this to the monthly amount you spend on electricity, housing, food, etc and it is a very reasonable amount.

      What I call excessive is the $15 they want for cable tv with a measly 30 channels. And the price is going up all the time, without any extra service.

    3. Re:BoStream, Sweden by KM1 · · Score: 1

      Actually the Bostream prices varu quite a lot depending on wether you purchase a conenction individually or for many appartments at once. In the building where I live we pay 75 kronor, about 10US$, a month for 10Mb/s

    4. Re:BoStream, Sweden by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is reasonable in Sweden ?

      Say , how much do you bring home every two weeks ?

  154. Re:Portugal - Not with the main one. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh... I'm in Portugal and I pay 75 euros for 1mbit/256kbits with 20GB. No matter if it is national or international.

  155. South Africa is truly screwed by encrypted · · Score: 2, Informative

    We pay R900 (about $140) for a 512/256 dsl package with a monthly limit of 3gb, so everyone else can stop complaining now.

    1. Re:South Africa is truly screwed by MikeCT · · Score: 1

      Sentech is introducing (legally) at the major centres a broadband wireless service called MyWireless. Pricing starts from R649 per month for 128Kbps (with R500 once-off activation fee) all inclusive. No usage "capping".

    2. Re:South Africa is truly screwed by GenomeX · · Score: 1

      which i think is still a little over-priced compared to other nations. Hopefully this will just be a step to something bigger and better. Hopefully. Or do people disagree?
      R650 == +- US$100

  156. Rochester NY area by stfvon007 · · Score: 1

    Dialup: $4.95/month 52kbps/33kbps
    Accelerated Dialup $9.95/month 52+kbps/33kbps
    Cable: $40/month 3Mbps/348kbps (where I live we do consistantly get that speed connection. cable near the colleges though its as slow as dialup during the day)
    DSL 3Mbps/348kbps price varies, its $40/month in the suburbs, In the city however you can get it for $22/month.
    T1(fractional) 348kbps/348kbps $300/month
    T1(full) 1.5Mbps/1.5Mbps $500/month

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    1. Re:Rochester NY area by krisp · · Score: 1

      I get the full 3Mbit night/day where i am, approx 2 miles from RIT in a large appartment complex housing a majority of RIT and UofR students.

    2. Re:Rochester NY area by Petrol · · Score: 1

      NYC suburbs, New Jersey.
      Optimum Online (Verizon) cable internet is $50/month.

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    3. Re:Rochester NY area by TXG1112 · · Score: 1
      Optimum Online is a service of Cable Vision, not Verizon.

      I am also in Northern NJ, and get 5 Mbit / 1 Mbit for $50 per month from them. Rock solid connection, no download caps (not that I've seen anyway) and worth every penny imho.

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    4. Re:Rochester NY area by humblecoder · · Score: 1

      Optimum Online is _Cablevision_, not Verizon. Also, if you are already a cable subscriber, the price is $40/month.

      I have Verizon DSL (I am also in northern NJ) and it is $34.95/month. However, if you have Verizon for local and long distance I believe they will give you DSL for as low as $29.95/month.

  157. $193/mo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I pay $193/mo for 1Mbit Qwest and access from theriver.com. 1Mbit up and 1Mbit down, on ADSL (not SDSL). 4000 feet from the CO.

    It's more than most but the service is good, business class more or less. A friend had a server colo'd at my apt and he had his own DSL line, ran it at 100% usage upstream nearly 24/7 for about a year until he moved it(1mbit up wasn't enough anymore), no complaints. My personal usage is minimal, average maybe 20-25gigs/month upstream and down, includes hosting email for about 40 domains, dns hosting for about 50 domains, web hosting for a buncha stuff.

    I have 4 static ips($10/mo ea), reverse dns, they even updated the IP block so if you do a WHOIS on my IP(s) it shows it is allocated to me. no ports blocked, never had slow service, even at the height of blaster my isp was fast(though backbones in seattle were slow).

    Minimal downtime, I track it closely. There are cheaper services, however I would bet that my isp is profitable on my connection, and if it means i can support a good company I am willing to pay the extra bucks for it.

    Their engineering level support is good though their tier-1 sucks ass. fortunately I have only had to call once or twice a year(usually related to downtime issues). it is more reliable than the T1 I had from qwest at my former company, better routing too.

    my company pays for the DSL part of my connection ($88/mo), while I pay for the ISP portion($105/mo)

  158. Pipex in the UK... by gadders · · Score: 1

    20-something per month. 23 I think, for 576kbps.

  159. Prices in Poland by sznupi · · Score: 1

    DSL 115kbps up&down (old, not currently offered) - 38$ ADSL 640kbps down & 128kbps up - 42$

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  160. You're not getting screwed by wrmrxxx · · Score: 1

    In Australia, it's typically around AUD$50-60 per month (USD$39-46) for 128k ADSL, often with hard download caps of around 1 - 5 gig depending on provider. Lately the ADSL prices and conditions have been improving considerably with lots of new players in the market, but who knows how long they'll last. Some are even offering 'unlimited' downloads, where of course 'unlimited' doesn't necessarily mean unlimited, but means soft caps - bandwidth is throttled back to dial up speeds after a certain download volume.

    Unfortunately service is not available everywhere, with ADSL not available in many places or cable not available in many. Often the only choice for many users is one provider, Telstra, who's prices and service are far from competitive. They charge AUD$111/month for 512k ADSL capped at 3G, with any data over this limit costing AUD$139 per GB (yes really, $139). Or if you are a low volume user you could go for their AUD$50/month plan and pay an extra AUD$199 (~USD$155) per gig, right from the first byte. Still think you're getting screwed in Canada?

    There is heaps of information about the Australian broadband scene at Whirlpool.

  161. Source of info by tfcdesign · · Score: 0

    Go to dslreports.com and youcan get th info by zipcode.

  162. Santa Clarita (Near Los Angeles), CA by JM+Apocalypse · · Score: 1

    I pay $40 for 384Kbps/3Mbps cable, but I often times get better download rates than that (My record is ~600KBps download)

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  163. Long Island, NY by Nasarius · · Score: 1

    Optimum Online has been getting more expensive and slower at the same time. It's up to $45/mo for Cablevision customers, $50/mo for non-customers.

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  164. Move to Ann Arbor, MI (or surrounding area) by stienman · · Score: 1

    We've got lots of competition. I'm using sbc dsl now, 1.5mb/256kb for $25/month. If I don't like it, then I'll switch to another of the many DSL people who keep advertising here. If you want cable you have to go with Comcast. I never had a problem with it when I had it, but got DSL because it was cheaper (You have to have cable, or pay extra $$, and they don't want to offer basic, no frills, analog cable in my area anymore.)

    -Adam

    1. Re:Move to Ann Arbor, MI (or surrounding area) by mrgrey · · Score: 1

      I'm near Flint and my only option is cable... for 768/128 it's $60/mo.... and every once and a while my speeds get capped do to bandwidth usage... but at least I have access. I have heard that comcast has 3Mbps/? for less than what I pay. Enough to make a person angry.....

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    2. Re:Move to Ann Arbor, MI (or surrounding area) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, comcast just recently upgraded their 1.5 connection to 3. They also bought out AT&T Broadband in Chicago a few years ago, so cable is the major option in the Chicagoland area. It's not too bad, but the upstream is a bit low if you are running more than one computer on the network. The cost in the Chicago area is around 45-50 dollars a month, less if you get cable service. The best tip is to call in saying that you are unhappy with the service and you are thinking of switching. They have a whole department whose job is to keep those customers, and often you can get a cheaper price for 6 months or so.

  165. 4Mbit Cable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In Southeast Texas we get 4Mbit down and I think 384k up for $44/month with Time Warner Road Runner. We had DSL for a few years when it was first available and it was very slow compared to Road Runner.

    Even now I know someone with SBC/Yahoo DSL and their service is terrible and less than 1/3 the speed.

  166. France, vive la grenouille ! by guerby · · Score: 2, Informative

    For now rates are the same in the whole country where DSL is available, some of the cheap offers are available only in the big cities. Everyone has to pay 13 euros/month for the phone line in addition to DSL costs, which are as follow:

    • 128/64: 15-20 euros/month
    • 512/128: 20-30 euros/month
    • 1024-2048/128-256: 30-60 euros/month
    • Cable is roughly the same price as DSL when available (very big cities only)
    • No real offer above 2048
    • One operator sells TV on the same DSL line too.

    Euro is around 1.27 USD these days: historical high, going up, historical low is 0.82 USD IIRC.

    The great thing about DSL in France is the Grenouille site where users report download/upload/ping per city per provider all the time (plus their horror stories), all french providers are covered it helps a lot when choosing a provider!

    Laurent

  167. From the worst to the best... by Ecuador · · Score: 1

    I come from Greece where broadband internet prices are the highest in Europe. The reason is the monopoly that the national telco enjoyed until recently.
    The cheapest broadband DSL @ 384kbps costs 58 Euros / month (73$ currently).
    This year I moved to Long Island, NY for studies, and I enjoy one of the best speed/money providers in the world. 10mbits download for 30$/month (for 6 months, then 50$)!
    And it is really 10mbits as my speakeasy tests show (I get 9520/951).
    I don't know what I'll do when I go back to Greece in a couple of years...

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  168. Here in Kenya... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...it costs me 2 goats and a chicken.

  169. I Get Ripped Off Big Time by Ed+Almos · · Score: 1

    360K download and 64K upload ADSL costs me 13,625 Hungarian Forint per month. At the current exchange rate that's a shade over $64.40 per month.

    Ed Almos
    Budapest, Hungary

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  170. Spain is the most expensive of EU by Jisakiel · · Score: 1

    Well, the situation in Spain, where I live, is more similar to African infrastructures than to European ones... The broadband you can get here is very overpriced and of subpar quality: all the operators offer ADSL of 256/128 24h with no bandwith guaranteed, from 40 euros month (taxes included). I remark the "no-bandwith" because where the net is not properly sized people often get no more than 15KB of download. Other broadband options are 128/128 ADSL from some operators in around 30 euros / month, or 256/128 but only from 18 to 08, and all weekend, for the same 30 euros (and if you connect out of hours, you pay the difference until about 45 euros). finally you can get cable, but only in few places, and usually just 128/128 and paying per MB... good pings, but not cheaper, and not really bandwith IMPOV. Ah, did I mention the infraestructures? Half the connections in Spain -the Telefonica ones, or the operators who resell that connection- pass through a big proxy, which used to break winamps streaming and get pages 2 or 3 days later... non-optionally. Nowadays they charge about 12 euros more for having static IPs (in the beginning it was for free; fortunately they kept that on my connection). ITs when you compare the Tiscali prices here (40 euros aprox. as I said) to the Netherlands (30 euros 512/128 I think), WITHOUT taking into account the different economical situations of the countries, when you realize that SPAIN SUCKS, at least technologically speaking.

    1. Re:Spain is the most expensive of EU by Ecuador · · Score: 1

      As I say in a couple of posts above, Greece is the worst in EU due to the (until recently) telecom monopoly. Our lowest priced broadband option (384kbps) is 58 Euros / month after taxes. That price is the new lower price after people & goverment pressure as the previous price was a whooping 95E/month! Of course you don't always get that 384kbps download (especially when connecting to servers overseas). So, at least in Spain you get some cheaper options.

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    2. Re:Spain is the most expensive of EU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the best choice in Spain is to get a cable connection. I've got a 300 kbps down - 80/100 down for 40 euros. The best of all is I don't have to be worried about the f***ing proxy. Good pings & real 300 kbps.
      I don't know if Spain is the most expensive place, but I'm sure it's one of the worst countries in Europe if you want a good broadband.

  171. $20 bucks for 1.5/768 ADSL in Chicago if bundled by adamiis111 · · Score: 1

    Mine is bundled with my phone, so it's quite cheap. Also, there's a semi-contract for 12 months. As long as you cancel the line, the contract is void, but if you move within the area, you have to keep the dsl.

  172. Total -- or the pieces? by smchris · · Score: 1


    QWest phone company charges about $31 for DSL but we aren't using the default Evil Empire portal and are charged another $20 for the local ISP on the credit card. In all fairness, that does include a static IP for the DSL server, local dial-up, web mail, and my typical c. 10 hrs./day of 56K Euro-trance stream as a base to whatever other downloading. No complaints so far.

    With about an hour/year observed downtime over the last three years and bandwidth at or above advertised DSL, I think it is working out nicely.

  173. Quebec, Canada by JFMulder · · Score: 1

    I have high speed cable Internet access with Videotron at 34.95CAN$. Speeds are 450 KB/sec in download and 50KB/sec in upload. 15 gigs max in download a month, 5 gigs max in upload.

    1. Re:Quebec, Canada by Pocaille · · Score: 1

      vive la poutine!

    2. Re:Quebec, Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Use www.vif.ca. It is $34.95 CAN/month, ADSL, 1.5MbpsUp/384Down

    3. Re:Quebec, Canada by JFMulder · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I know about them, but they are slower than Videotron (3.6MbpsUp/400Down), though vif has no maximum download or upload. When I move out of my parent's house, there's a strong chance I might go with them.

  174. Brazil by dark-br · · Score: 1

    256/128 go as high as 100 USD a month for a static IP and no firewall/download limits.

    For dynamic IP with 30gb download limit it would cost 30 USD.

    The big problem is that for each state you are bind to very few service providers, almost allways just one for DSL (telecon) and no more then 3 for cable.

    That's the way it its down here, sadly.

  175. Italy ADLS + cable by ggiove · · Score: 1

    Quick and dirty:
    ADSL
    300 Kbit/s euro 24.95/month = $32 /month
    640 Kbit/s euro 44.95/month = $56 /month

    Cable (fibre)
    10 Mbit/S (yes TEN MBit!) euro 65/month = $81 /month
    (only in selected cities, no public IP address available)

  176. In the UK... by byolinux · · Score: 1

    Prices start at around 22GBP a month, although pay-as-you-go DSL is also available for people who might not use all the bandwidth, but want the speed.

  177. Maryland - Verizon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Verizon Online DSL: $29.95 for the first 3 months, $34.95 each month after. First month free if you order online.

  178. Sweden - Student by azatht · · Score: 1

    as I'm a student in sweden I pay approx 20 USD per month for 10Mbit fixed IP.

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  179. Consider all the variables! by jonbrewer · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Looking at the 2003 OECD Telecommunications Outlook, I can see that it's not a simple question of "how much does it cost?". The figures you have take into consideration are:

    1. Monthly Charge
    2. Mbytes included
    3. Extra Mbytes
    4. Downstream Bandwidth
    5. Upstream Bandwidth

    In the good old USA, nobody charges per megabyte. Then you just have price/bandwidth to compare. That goes the same for the following:

    Denmark TDC, Finland Elisa, France France Telecom Wanadoo, Germany Deutsche Telecom, Italy Telecom Italia, Japan NTT, Korea Korea Telecom, Luxembourg P&T, Mexico Telmex, Netherlands KPN
    Spain Telefonica, Sweden Telia, Turkey Turk Telekom, United Kingdom British Telecom, United States Verizon

    Those who have traffic caps and "per megabyte" charges for overage are:

    Australia Telstra - Big Pond, Austria Telekom Austria, Belgium Belgacom - Turbo Line,
    Canada Bell Canada Sympatico, Ireland Eircom, Netherlands KPN, New Zealand Telecom NZ, Switzerland Swisscom, Portugal Portugal Telecom

    If you want to compare across the board, you have to make some arbitrary decisions, like "how much traffic does the average user consume" and "what is the minimum downstream and upstream bandwidth requirement". Repeat, ARBITRARY. Many researchers with "an agenda" manipulate these figures to make their country/telecoms provider look good or bad. It's easy to do.

    I'll say 2GB/month, and 384/128. YMMV. Now you can say "this is what it will cost".

    So, the following is what I come up with using the OECD data, which was collected in 2002:

    Canada Bell Canada Sympatico 22.28
    Korea Korea Telecom 27.58
    Portugal Portugal Telecom 37.16
    Belgium Belgacom - Turbo Line 38.67
    Sweden Telia 39.65
    United States Verizon 39.95
    Japan NTT 40.76
    United Kingdom British Telecom 41.51
    Germany Deutsche Telecom 44
    France France Telecom Wanadoo 44.42
    Italy Telecom Italia 48.85
    Netherlands KPN 51.1
    Switzerland Swisscom 52.78
    Denmark TDC 57.28
    Norway Telenor 59.22
    Finland Elisa 60.64
    Portugal Portugal Telecom 66.5
    Poland TPSA 71.58
    Mexico Telmex 92.72
    Spain Telefonica 95.22
    Ireland Eircom 105.32
    Australia Telstra - Big Pond 121.67
    New Zealand Telecom NZ 131.27
    Hungary Matav 248.64
    Iceland Iceland Telecom 280
    Turkey Turk Telekom 285.98

    Apologies that the lameness filters have prevented me from presenting these figures in a more readable way.

    1. Re:Consider all the variables! by ari{Dal} · · Score: 1

      Actually, Bell Canada (Sympatico) recently removed traffic caps. All DSL accounts are now unlimited transfers.

      I pay around $23 a month for my DSL, but that's because i'm an employee :) They give great employee discounts on all services (phone, LD, satellite, and dsl.. yay!)

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    2. Re:Consider all the variables! by babyrat · · Score: 1

      You'd also have to consider whether the customer has a choice or not. I can't get DSL to my house, and Cox cable, when I signed up, had one package to choose from.

      So I didn't have a choice (besides to not have broadband) so I'm stuck paying $40/month for waaaayyyyy more bandwidth/megabytes than I need.

    3. Re:Consider all the variables! by OzPixel · · Score: 1


      Australia Telstra - Big Pond 121.67

      A few points here :
      - obviously, the monthly usage chosen was over the download cap (the excess charge is priced to penalize overusers)
      - download allowances have come down a lot over the past 12-18 months in Australia (the OECD data was 2002)
      - there are other ISPs than Telstra to choose from, and there are other pipes in/out of Australia than those used by Telstra.

      As a slightly more realistic data point, I pay $AUS 90 /month ($USD 68) for 512/256k, with 8 Gb download limit (then $AUD 0.12 per Mb, I think), from Internode. Still pretty high, but I could go down to 256/128k, with 2Gb limit, for $AUD 50 ($USD 38) - which compares much more favourably on the chart above.
      Internode aren't the cheapest DSL provider in Oz, either, but their service and support levels are very good (when I first connected with them, I had problems getting connected (Telstra-related, ironically), so I logged on to the net on the old dialup, posted to the forums at whirlpool.net.au, and had a response in an hour or so - from the head of the company, at 11pm on a Friday night !).

      (anyway, this sort of comparison will always hit these sorts of apples/oranges problems. You could probably choose a way to measure DSL costs which would put (almost) any one of the countries listed above cheapest) )

    4. Re:Consider all the variables! by OzPixel · · Score: 1

      (replying to self)

      Gah, it'd help if I got my numbers right : I pay $AUD 80, not 90 (about $USD 60), the download limit is 12Gb/month, not 8, and the excess charge is $AUD 0.08/Mb, not 0.12.

      (pity you can't edit your own posts, like on almost every other blogging/journalling/newslogging-type site ... )


      David.

  180. Limits by Mistlefoot · · Score: 1

    I use Telus ADSL here in British Columbia and have never had a limit issue. And I quiet often upload and download a lot.

    I've had no issues with hosting web sites or running an ftp server even though servers are not allowed.

    Having used Shaw cable here as well, I can say that I find Telus more reliable.

    1. Re:Limits by BlindSpot · · Score: 1

      Maybe in BC it's different. but here in Calgary, Alberta Shaw is very reliable. Like a previous poster I often get 3-4Mbps or more even in peak periods, whenever the opposite end is fast enough of course.

      Shaw had a very rough time keeping up when the broadband explosion hit, and I admit there were some slow times here. Of course it didn't help that the guy who originally installed my cable botched the job either. He put something in backwards or something like that, then it got zapped by lightening and made it flaky. No problems after it was repaired, though, and also none here at my new place. They're quite stable now..

      Now I get 70+ channels of cable TV (non-digital) and cable Internet for $80CDN/month. I think it's a pretty good deal.

      No servers allowed on Shaw but they won't come after you unless your usage is unsually high. (This is in one of their FAQs.)

    2. Re:Limits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've used both Telus and Shaw and would recommend Shaw. It appears that Telus has come down in price (it was $45 when I was on it) but I still wouldn't go back: lots of outages, generally slow and the absolute worst customer service imaginable. If I wanted to save a few buck, I'd drop down to 256Kbps for $26 a month.

      OT: I just went to CityFido! All you can eat for $40/mo with no access fee!

  181. Broadband pricing by Primacy · · Score: 1

    Here in Vermont I get DSL service for $34.95/month. That gives me up to a full 8192Kbps downstream and 1024Kbps upstream.

  182. Central PA - USA by spanklin · · Score: 1

    Ummm... here in State College, PA (home of Penn State University) Adelphia cable modem service is $40/month if you provide the modem. I could be off a bit, because I have a package deal with my digital cable TV service, and haven't had just cable modem service on its own for more than a year.

  183. Belgium (Flanders) by Cpyder · · Score: 1
    The Belgian duopoly situation works like this:

    * In Flanders, the cable was until recently provided by local governement-owned companies. There only was competition in one city, Leuven. Telenet, a communications company that provides phone and internet via the cable bought they cable system from the communities and now owns the network too. (Shortly after that they raised tv subscription prices, but that's another story).

    You've got cable access from Telenet. This costs 41,95 euros/month. For this price you may connect 1 pc (a second one raises the subscription cost to 45 euro). You get a traffic quota of 10 Gb, of which 15% may be upstream (1,5 Gb). At night (from 0 am to 10 am) the traffic only counts for 50%. If you exceed this quota you are being placed on a slower-then-dialup speed until your average goes down again or you buy extra traffic blocks.
    Until some months ago you *had* to connect trough the Telenet proxy, which was frequently down, and almost all inbound ports were blocked. Telenet also actively searches for servers homsted on their lines. Static IPs are not possible.

    In Brussels and Wallonia you can also get broadband via cable, but I don't know how the pricing is there. I suppose it's comparable to Telenet.

    * DSL: The former Belgian telecom monopoly, Belgacom, which owns the POTS network offers DSL trough a range of providers. Skynet, which is owned by Belgacom, takes the largest part of the market. One of the means they achieve is is by claiming a user is located too far from the LEX if they try to subscribe trough a competitor, but when they want to subscribe to Skynet they 'magically' are close enough. Prices vary around 39 euro / month. ADSL also has got a quota of 15 Gb, though it's not enforced as strictly as Telenet does. (Some providers don't overcharge you unless you really overuse excessively, some don't even count your traffic)

    Recently Scarlet, which also offers ADSL via Skynet, has begun installing their own BAS equipment in Belgacom LEXes. Subscribers that are connected via the Scarlet BASes get higher up- and downstream speeds.

    Even more recently Versatel has begun offering what they call "ADSL Light". They've got two formulas: Free ADSL and Always ADSL. The first one charges no monthly rate, but a per minute rate of 0,0425 euro and a per-session setup cost of 0,25 euro. Always ADSL costs 19,90 euro per month, for which you get a traffic quota of 250 Mb. Extra usage is charged at 5 eurocent per MB, with a maximum of 10 euro. The speeds are also somewhat slower than 'classic' Adsl offered by Belgacom.

    To sum up: you can choose between two monopolies, which offer a comparable product. Static IPs or running servers are out of the question, but the prices are quite nice. According to the Internet Service Providers Association, over 55% of all residential users is connected via broadband.

    1. Re:Belgium (Flanders) by SiliBelgian · · Score: 1

      You forgot an important competitor for Belgacom.
      ADSL2FIT has competitive offers for adsl. They allow you to run servers and don't enforce a traffic limitation.

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      "Hell hath no fury like a hippo with a machine gun."
    2. Re:Belgium (Flanders) by Cpyder · · Score: 1
      aha.. didn't know about them.

      Thanks for the info!

  184. Boston = $53 (Comcast) by ljavelin · · Score: 1

    I pay US$52.91 per month for Internet service via Comcast. That includes $0.56 in "taxes & fees". I do not get cable TV service, only Internet.

    Pretty expensive, and it just went up AGAIN. If I had a landline telephone, I'd swap to DSL in about 12 seconds. I still might do that so I can share speakeasy dsl with my neighbors.

    1. Re:Boston = $53 (Comcast) by ljavelin · · Score: 1

      Oh, one more thing: I provide my own modem. So I don't rent a modem. I think modem rental is an additional $3/month.

    2. Re:Boston = $53 (Comcast) by Fnkmaster · · Score: 1
      Why the hell is Boston so expensive? I pay substantially more for digital cable+broadband internet from Comcast here than my family in NYC does. My combined bill (in Cambridge) is 120 bucks a month - my family gets almost all the premium channels, has 3 digital cable boxes, and pays about 110. And those are NYC prices, mind you.


      I guess we have to pay the corruption taxes and all that up here. Or we're just making up for all the ridiculous M&A activity that's gone on over the last few years (first MediaOne, then AT&T Broadband, now Comcast) - each change bringing worse service and more restrictive AUPs.

    3. Re:Boston = $53 (Comcast) by bender647 · · Score: 1

      Not only that, but I have a choice of two cable modem providers, or DSL, or resellers of both. Plenty of competition, yet $45 is the cheapest. I say demand. Boston is a high tech town and nobody dials up anymore.

    4. Re:Boston = $53 (Comcast) by ljavelin · · Score: 1

      I seem to remember reading about Comcast raising rates this year.

      Normally they say "our providers raised the rates, so we have to raise them too".

      This year, they just said something like "we're raising rates because our service is so valuable".

      They know they have a lock on their customers.

  185. Turkey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ADSL prices, approximately:

    128/32 : 35 USD
    256/64 : 50 USD
    512/128 : 77 USD

    Max speed you can get is 2 mbit/512 kbit

  186. What really matters... by ameoba · · Score: 1

    What really matters isn't so much the cost of broadband in absolute terms but the cost of broadband relative to the average income. If broadband is only $5/mo in Outer Elbonia that's not very good if the average citizen only makes $9/yr.

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  187. Qwest is the Qworst. by the_greywolf · · Score: 1

    a lot of people i see complaining that $50 for a 1mbit line is too expensive. well, news for you: Idaho sucks.

    i pay $52/mo for 640/256 DSL, and starting around monday, i'll be paying over $80 for a 640/640 DSL package. (this includes Qwest.net ISP charges)

    the beauty of this is that Qwest is the only real Telco in the area, so they're the only ones you can get DSL from - sure, you can have any ISP you want, inclusing an ISP owned by Idaho Power Co. but if you go through anyone else OTHER than Qwest for your DSL, you'll pay twice as much.

    Cable isn't much better, running $50/mo for a typical home package (allowing 3 computers), and $100/mo for the "business" package that allows you only 1 computer (which will end up being a router) and only slightly more bandwidth (1mbit/500kbit).

    Wireless is usually out of the question, as it's slightly more expensive than the DSL, and you can't host anything on it. this despite the fact that there are now 4 wireless ISPs in town that i know of.

    T1/DS-3, etc. are the worst of the lot. if you're lucky enough to get someone to talk to you about it, it's $200/mo for a T1, and it's only site-to-site. for a loop to the internet, you have to pay another $200 or more. the cheapest DS-3 i could find was $12,000/mo.

    i'd say what a SONET ring or OC-line would cost, but i can't get anyone to talk to me about it.

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  188. Rates in Singapore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Singapore

    - Cable via starhub.com
    1.5mbps down/13kbps up/unlimited -> S$56 (~US$33)
    3.0mbps down/13kbps up/unlimited -> S$76 (~US$44)

    - Cable via pacific.net.sg
    1.5mbps down/Unknown up/unlimited -> S$62.90 (~US37.11)
    1.5mbps down/Unknown up/xfer cap 200mb -> S$25.10 (~US$14.80)

    - ADSL via singtel.com
    256k/unlimited -> S$57.75 (~US34)
    512k/unlimited -> S$78.75 (~US$46.45)
    512k/xfer cap 200mb -> S$19.95 (~US$12)
    1.5mbps/time cap 30hrs -> S$39.90 (~US$23.50)

    - ADSL via pacific.net.sg
    384k/unlimited -> S$54.40 (~US$32)
    512k/unlimited -> S$69.20 (~US$41)
    1.5mbps/xfer cap 250mb -> S$42.00 (~US$24.70)

    - ADSL via QALA
    fuck this i'm getting lazy... go see it for yourself www.qala.com.sg

  189. Good, add a data cap rate, sevrvice index too.. by thenarftwit · · Score: 1

    Do it, and make sure the map shows the data cap rate (if any) and make a service complaint index too..

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  191. Florida DSL $50/mo 256/1.5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For DSL in Florida, I pay ~$50/mo for 1.5Mbps down, 256 kbps up, no cap. I think cable users who already subscribe can get broadband for cheaper, but I'd rather die than give Cox Cable more money!

  192. Aurora CO by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    49.99 for comcast cable. Worse yet, it sux. Since comcast bought it, it is down about once every month for anywhere from 1 hour - 2 days. With TCI/ATT, it was down about once a year for about 1-2 hours.

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  193. Stockholm, Sweden by basic70 · · Score: 1

    In a small area in the western part of Stockholm they've just finished getting optical fiber to all apartments. One company owns the cables, and four operators compete for customers. Now the lowest price is $35 (SEK 240) per month for 10 MBit both upstream and downstream. Downloading the newest Linux kernel in 30 seconds flat or a DivX movie in 15 minutes feels pretty good!

  194. Beijing, China by cyberon22 · · Score: 1

    You can get monthly ADSL for about 100 kuai per month (1 kuai - 8.27 USD) if you're willing to commit for a year. Otherwise, a month of unlimited broadband in Beijing will set you back 120 kuai.

    Access is slightly cheaper in the rural areas, and 5 gigs of prepaid wireless connectivity goes for 200 kuai per month through China Unicom.

    So yes, you guys are being ripped off in the West. Move to China.

    1. Re:Beijing, China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      whut?

      if 1 kuai was 8.28 USD, then your cheapo little ADSL line would cost 827 USD a month.

      you call that cheap and us being ripped of in the west?

      get a new brain or calculator or get a life?

      unless ofcourse chineese communistic party and gestapo police pays your bills and gives you power over everybody else and unlimited resources.

      gwb.us will destroy comies.cn

    2. Re:Beijing, China by flamefront · · Score: 0

      Given 8.27 kuai per US dollar, and the obvious fact that even phone calls are cheaper going from the US to Hong Kong than to your nearest long distance zone in the US, it only stands to reason the internet access would be dirt cheap too.

      And we wonder about call centers in Delhi.

    3. Re:Beijing, China by keeboo · · Score: 1

      You can get monthly ADSL for about 100 kuai per month
      So yes, you guys are being ripped off in the West. Move to China.

      Sure... How do I apply for immigration?

    4. Re:Beijing, China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you mean 8.27 kuai = 1 USD. and kuai is spoken chinese. it should be 8.27 RMB = 1 USD.

  195. France: 29 / mo for 2Mbps by Nicolas+MONNET · · Score: 2, Informative

    Through Free I get roughly 2MBps/400kbps, plus free national phone through ADSL, and ADSL TV (though I don't have a TV but it's included anyway).

    There's no cap whatsoever, and in fact at some times I get up to 8Mbps download, like around 5AM. I also have a static IP for free. The main drawback is that it's not very reliable, mainly because of their homegrown set top box -- they had design their own since no OEM has an ADSL+TV+Phone set top box on their catalog. No setup fee. The only extra fee is when you cancel the line, costs you 100, decreases with time down to 0 after a couple years. Modem is free and included.

    Quite a good deal.

  196. Copenhagen, Denmark by Danta · · Score: 1

    DKK 600,- (ca. US$ 103,-) for ADSL 512/128 including landline subscription with Orange (they don't sell Internet access anymore).

    Sweden might have the cheapest high-speed Internet connections in the world, it's because the government subsidizes it.

  197. Come Together by Quirk · · Score: 1
    "Broadband Pricing Across The World?"

    Usually the phrasing would be across the country etc and around the world. As we grow interconnected and approach something like Marshll McLuhan's global village our mindset requires new habits.

    --
    "Academicians are more likely to share each other's toothbrush than each other's nomenclature."
    Cohen
  198. Vancouver, BC, Canada by Atomic+Frog · · Score: 1

    I live in downtown Vancouver.

    $25/month gets me 10Mb/s Ethernet
    That's right, not cable, not DSL, not PPPoE or some crap. Straight 10Mb/s both ways.

    For $75/month, I can get my own dedicated IP address and 10Mb/s link to the 'net.

    All prices in $CDN

    1. Re:Vancouver, BC, Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who are you with?

  199. You want the price on my bill ... by daraf · · Score: 1

    or what I end up paying after I route it to my five neighbors?

  200. Montreal (Cable) by TheTomcat · · Score: 1

    Cable prices in Montreal (Videotron). Approx. 300kB/sec down, 50kB/sec up. They charge for bandwidth overage, but I've never recevied a bill in excess of my expected base price.

    Price:
    Acces Internet haute vitesse 44,95
    Rabais engagement 12 mois 10,00-

    So, basically, $35CAD/month.

    Not bad...
    DSL is comparative (Bell/Sympatico). Prices are same, bandwidth is lower, but there's no cap.

    I don't have a landline, though.. so Cable it is.
    Unless I want to go with Look (Microwave) -- approx. same prices, same speed, but goes out if/when it rains/clouds/etc.

    S

  201. mexico dsl by .silG.00 · · Score: 0

    well i ahve 512/256 and pay ~ $65 us dlls

    damn those candian bastards, whoe get loike 3x for 50% of what i pay!!

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    mmmm round and soft...
  202. Belgium is broadband paradise by stud9920 · · Score: 1

    I'm paying 43 EUR a month for cable modem.

    For that price, I get a pityful 128 kbits up, but a royal 4 megabits down. Sadly "capped" at 15 Gigs a month : I pay 8 EUR for any extra 10 Gigs, with no bandwidth penalty.

    Before that, I paid 40 EUR for the same upstream, and a downstream of 1 megabit (was contractually 750 kbits but whatever) that was with no reason upgraded free to 3.3 megabits. ADSL.

    Before hating me, read on : for a year now, I get woken up not by a pityful 5$ chinese analog radio, but by my 300 Watt computer that downloads national radio streams from the net. Until some months ago where I decided I wanted more porn and more warez, I took the high quality stream. But forgetting to deactivate the autowake function was too frequent and one month I ALMOST hit my max so I downgraded to lower quality radio.

    In France, the same companies that operate in Belgium hype pityful 128 kbits Downstreams of the same price in Belgium.

    Remember that in Belgium, local PSTN calls are not free (about 2$ an hour, about 3$ in peak hours, so broadband is really a great added value compared to dialup.

  203. It's not all about price by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    *sigh* Why does it always boil down to "price". SBC/Yahoo DSL is, what, $39.95? Our DSL is $50.....our DSL is static IP, always on, and when you call our support center, you're going to get HELPED. Not "that's our problem".

  204. Montgomery Cable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Comcast/MC is $40 + $5 modem rental per month (don't have to pay if you have your own).

    That is 3M down and 256K Up.

    The entire county is covered, so its the only high-speed option for half the county.

    Oh yea, ISDN, which I dropped was $90/month for 128K

    1. Re:Montgomery Cable by deanhash · · Score: 1

      I live in Gaithersburg,Md and have Comcast/MC and you are right coward. Great service too!

  205. New Jersey by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 1

    Well, where I am in NJ I have a choice between two broadband services -

    Verizon DSL at $29.95/mo 768/256 with some WiFi hotspot access in NY city.

    -or-

    Optimum Online (Cable) $49.95/mo 10000/1000.

    The thing with these is that while OOL has jaw-dropping raw speed, how often can you find a server that is going to give you 1 KB sec throughput? When you get it you can download a CD-ROM in about 10 minutes - but...

    Anyway I signed up for OOL mostly because it was available before Verizon DSL, but I suspect that except for those days when I am downloading a Linux distro DSL would be just as good.

    1. Re:New Jersey by kansei · · Score: 1
      I have Optimum, and I get measured 2300 Kbps by testing it here: http://webservices.cnet.com/bandwidth/

      Pro: speedy service, minimal outages, nifty email setup, webmail, decent U*SE*NE T server.

      Con: Upstream is throttled, and they are presumably watching for file sharers...

      $45 with cable service purchase.

    2. Re:New Jersey by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 1


      I have Optimum, and I get measured 2300 Kbps

      There is something wrong somewhere if that is all you are getting. Try a speed test:

      ftp://ftp1.optonline.net/pub/test64

      You should get about 10,000 Kbps

    3. Re:New Jersey by kansei · · Score: 1
      I tried your link, and the best I can come up with is 800 Kbps. However, if I go to www.mikesempire.com and go to his unofficial OOL page, I get in excess of 6500 Kbps on all the Speakeasy tests.

      When comparing with others in my area in the charts on Mike's site, I get similar results to the rest of the people.

  206. Norway (Lyse) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    NOK 699/USD 103 for a 10Mbps symmetric connection.
    NOK 449/USD 66 for a 2Mbps symmetric connection.

  207. pay per minute local phone calls by afp.matt · · Score: 1

    Because then you pay only for what you use. Would you like to pay a fixed rate for your electricity, gas, water and so on? No. So why pay a fixed amount for local phone calls?

  208. Pricing in Ireland by Celt · · Score: 1

    From Esat
    the following pricing in Ireland is
    Esat Residential 512K/256K Package (8GB Cap a month)
    49.95 euro a month

    Business 512K/256K Package :
    110 euro a month

    Business 1MB/256K Package:
    190 euro a month

    --
    "WebTV: bringing the Internet into the shallow end of the gene pool since 1995" - Martin Bishop
  209. Why /. is a pack of Un-American Commies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Foreigners and Yankees with a disproportionate number of Jealous Canucks!

    1. Re:Why /. is a pack of Un-American Commies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow. Un-American foreigners. Who would have thought.

    2. Re:Why /. is a pack of Un-American Commies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which W in WWW is confusing you?

  210. charleston, wv USA area by zenbrew · · Score: 1

    verizon dsl - $35

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    Hold still so I can hurt you!
  211. A monopoly doubles the price... by jwdeff · · Score: 1

    In St. Cloud MN you can get a package that includes 1.5mbps cable internet, analog cable, and local phone service for $70. There are 2 providers in St. Cloud. Now I moved to Fargo ND, and it costs $130 for the same service, because Cable One (the Fargo cable provider) has a monopoly.

  212. Japan calling here by blndcat · · Score: 4, Informative

    At the moment I'm paying around 4000Yen (37 USD) for my ADSL connection a YahooBB, 26Mbit down - 1 Mbit up, connection. The speed/price is about average in Japan though of course we don't really get anywhere near that in real world speeds.

    roll out of the 45Mbit/3Mbit service starts this month for a few hundred yen more.

  213. Correction: $1 USD = 8.27 kuai (nt) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Correction: $1 USD = 8.27 kuai

  214. Finland, capital area by kimmo · · Score: 1

    DSL starting from 39..50e from most commercial operators (256/256..512/512kbps).

    Cable is kind of monopoly, 50e for 512/256kbps.

    1 euro == ~1.25us$.

    Opening the service or any other change into it (switch speed, install, open, close, move, ..) might be a bit on the expensive side, 30..200e.

  215. France: DSL lines, the winter hit ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    wanadoo.fr (FranceTelecom group)
    29.90 EUR -> 512kb/s
    39.90 EUR -> 1024kb/s
    http://tpsl.tps.fr/

    free.fr (Iliad group)
    29.99 EUR :
    - 2Mb/s internet bandwidth with static IP
    - free unlimited national phonecall + "local anywhere number"
    - 100 TV chanels (3.5Mb/s additional bandwith is used and is freed for internet if you stop TV)

    9Telecom.fr (from LDCom)
    17.90 EUR -> 128kb/s
    19.90 EUR -> 512kb/s
    24.90 EUR -> 1024 kb/s
    34.90 EUR -> 2 Mb/s

    tele2.fr (Group Tele2 AB)
    19.58 EUR -> 128kb/s
    24.59 EUR -> 512kb/s

    tiscali.fr
    20 EUR -> 128kb/s
    40 EUR -> 1024kb/s

    club-internet.fr (T-Online Group)
    24.90 EUR -> 128kb/s
    29.90 EUR -> 512kb/s
    39.90 EUR -> 1024kb/s

    During end of last year there was a real boom in broadband access and as a result multiplication of the providers (about 20 by now !), price continue to drop while bandwidth are skyrocketing !

    The biggest is Wanadoo (a spinoff from FranceTelecom) with about 50% of the market. But one of hottest player here is Free, because their offer is just amazing !

  216. South Dakota by shadowbearer · · Score: 1

    Here in Spearfish, SD (very western edge) cable is $30/mo for 3mb/128k. Excellent service, too, very little downtime.

    Where I moved from 6 months ago (North MN) it was twice that much for 256/128k. 1mb down was about 4 times that much, and the highest rate available.

    *scratches head*

    Technically, we're much more in the boonies here than where I moved from. Therefore the "close to metro area" makes no sense to me...then again, we seem to have a city government with a Clue here; the whole town is fiberoptic wired.

    SB

    --
    It's old. The more humans I meet, the more I like my cats. At least they are honest.
  217. Facts by upside · · Score: 2, Informative

    Since some peeps mentioned the tech... I use Sonera 1m/512 DSL
    - bridged ethernet
    - dynamic IP (though it hasn't changed as I keep my firewall machine on constantly)
    - no ports blocked any direction

    Saunalahti blocks incoming SMTP but apparently you can get mail routed to you via their mail server, at least if you've bought static IP addresses.

    I've never heard of bandwidth caps in Finland, though a cable modem operator took action over a year ago when some clients transferred some crazy amounts in a short period.

    --
    I'm sorry if I haven't offended anyone
  218. Australian broadband prices by Stelex · · Score: 1

    In Australia prices vary very much but in general you can have DSL 512/64 with 1 GB download for about A$ 45 a month with A$ 5 per GB thereafter which is pretty good. THe same company offers 1500/128 and 10GB before capping to 64 kbps for A$ 80 per month. I'm just getting cable installed, it costs A$ 70 per month for full speed up to 10 GB and thereafter shaped to 64 kbps. HOwever, many users report in forums they've gone far beyond the 10 GB but still havent been shaped. The contract actually says: "You may be shaped..." Now that A$ 70 is currently around US$ 50 or so but since the US dollar is heading to become worthless piece of paper that ratio is changing a lot daily.

  219. Shaw Cable by ironicsky · · Score: 1

    I live in Winnipeg, Canada and our Internet provider shaw cable provided its full speed residential internet for $48 including taxes, but its lite-speed internet connection costs under $25 a month.
    The full speed connection runs at upwards of 3megabit a second and the light speed runs at about 1.5megabit.
    Our DSL service provided by MTS Sympatico runs for about $36.99 a month plus taxes

  220. Toronto DSL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm using Bell Sympatico for my DSL in Toronto, Canada, and I'm paying $69.99 CDN a month for an uncapped line running 3MB down and 640K up.
    sweet.

    1. Re:Toronto DSL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the 3mb 640kb is your cap.

  221. DirectWay OMG that is horrible crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So my parents get this, and I'm like "cool." Horrible, horrible, horrible.

    1yr contract lock
    $59.95 / month
    512kbit download
    128kbit upload

    but now get this... they cap you if you exceed 200mb, yes that is MegaBytes, of transfer in 2-hours, and the cap lasts for 8-hours... I watched the add for it on TV and it said "Yeah, you can download all the movies and music you wan't! It's super duper fast!" So I called them up and pretended to be an interested buyer, and said, "so this is pretty fast right?" and the lady was like "yeah, it's really great!" and I said, "so I can download all the music and movies I want?" and she said "yep!" and I asked, "is there a cap?" and she said "Yes, 200mb in 2hrs" and I said, "then how is that fast, since my dialup goes about that speed?" long pause "......." and then she said "I dunno."

    Hehe, assholes.

    1. Re:DirectWay OMG that is horrible crap by SiliBelgian · · Score: 1

      You get 100 mb/hour on dial-up? That's about 28.5 kb/s, you know.
      Interesting...

      --


      "Hell hath no fury like a hippo with a machine gun."
  222. Southern Nevada by doormat · · Score: 1

    Comercial level broadband w/ Cox, $70/mo SOHO plan, 3m/256k

    --
    The Doormat

    If you're not outraged, then you're not paying attention.
  223. Re:Rio Grande do Sul, Brasil by e.colli · · Score: 0

    R$90 for 300k, R$120 for 600k in dolars, USD30 and USD40

  224. I wish I lived in sweden by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do you all know that in SE, 10mbit biway, so 1MB/s down and 1MB/s up, for a total of 2MB/s only costs $29.95/month? Yes. Pretty wild huh? Also, they are upgrading the lines next year I heard to 100mbit. This is like available all over sweden. I wish I lived there... why the hell are we being overcharged here in the USA? All it is, is lousy fiber and a few servers to run the stuff. There is no way we need to be paying so much for such shitty speeds we get here.

  225. Moscow, Russia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    TV cable connection, comcor-tv.ru - slightly less 10 cents per Megabyte (one of the popular plans - 300 Mb for $30 per month, and $0.08 for each Mb above the limit)

    LAN, starlink.ru - about the same; currently there is a plan with 660 Mb for $50 per month.

  226. Small towns in Nova Scotia by smallmj · · Score: 1

    In my province (Nova Scotia, Canada) broadband is available in most towns of at 3000 people. Cost is $C 45 DSL or cable after intro pricing is over.

    My town only has 1400 people, but we broadband it too. Of course the cable baron is from around here, so this little place is special.

    Mark

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  227. Washington DC cable by Isaac-Lew · · Score: 1

    I live in southern PG County MD (right outside of DC) - I pay Comcast $60.95 US/month for 3 Mb down/256 Kb up (too far out for decent DSL, fastest I could get is 256/256). At least service is stable, the last time my IP address reset (and the only major outage in about 2 years) was after hurrican^W tropical storm Isabel.

  228. Wow all you are getting screwed! by kzg · · Score: 1

    Here in my small norther ontario town of 13000 people i get cable internet access for only $24.95 CAN per month, thats about $19 US ! i get 2GB traffic per month and regularly get 300 KB/s download speeds and 120 KB/s upload (thats KiloBYTES). Could this be because in my small town there are 3 competing companies? (ONLink, ViaNet,Persona Cable and Bell Sympatico)

  229. canadian luxury by magical22 · · Score: 1

    I figure why have one isp go down, so I get both, and since telus my dsl provider really messed up my move I get a deal from them for my service. 2.5Mbit/.640Mbit for $34.99/month with totally unlimited bandwith, no phone calls no nothing... usually they want $54.99 for it but they really screwed up my move and this is what they offered me. Cable on the other hand is 34.99 a month aswell for about 3-5 mbit downstream and .512 up. Sometimes has real bad bandwith issues, they bitch about bandwith (more than 6gb upstream in a month and they are bitching) but if you dont exceed the upstream they will let you do whatever. I just laff at most USA dsl packages, they are such a ripoff with such little bandwith... considering 5 years ago we got limited area DSL in our city at 4mbit/.640 for $75 CAD a month (back then equiv to about 45 usd) unlimited ips, and unlimited bandwith. Come to canada, live in a igloo and drink our higher percentage beer!

  230. Pah! by cowbutt · · Score: 1
    That's nothing. In the UK, basic broadband services start at 15GBP per month (about US$25.50), but the services from providers who are likely to still be around in 6 months time are usually 20GBP+ (about US$34). I'm paying 28.65GBP per month (about US$49) for ADSL at 512kbps/256kps at 50:1 contention, a /29 netblock, DNS and web hosting, and SMTP mail delivery.

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  231. Bermuda by AssFace · · Score: 1

    I have a 256K connection at home and I pay about $120 to the network folks and then also have to pay about $120 to the phone company as well.

    There is at least one DSL provider here that will charge $80 for the internet side, but it doesn't change the phone side.

    If your house is in an area of coverage, there is a wireless system which I think is at 512K, and I'm not sure on the cost - but it is close to the DSL.

    At work we have a 128K frame relay connection and it costs over $100 a month for the phone line (I haven't seen this bill, but I know it is over $100, I suspect it is closer to $300) and then over $500 for the network side.
    If we want to go up to 256K, then it would cost over $750 on the network side.

    We have tried to get in and share a T1 with a neighboring building, but they can't do that without running a cable outside over roofs, and they don't want that as a security risk.
    We can't get the wireless system at work because for half of the year, the cruise ships in town block our signal.

    At a population of 65K people, there is no economy of scale, so while the island needs to bring in lines to other countries just as the way the States does - the cost is distributed over a much smaller pool of people/companies.

    --

    There are some odd things afoot now, in the Villa Straylight.
    1. Re:Bermuda by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1


      At a population of 65K people, there is no economy of scale


      But, dude, you get to live in Bermuda arguably the most beautiful place on Earth.

      --
      My God, it's Full of Source!
      OUTSIDE_IP=$(dig +short my.ip @outsideip.net)
  232. Re: Maybe Israel will invade again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Look on the bright side maybe Israel will invade again and bring in Israeli infastructure. Your only hope for decent internet is Israeli invasion!

  233. Here in Barbados... by PrettyBoy_75 · · Score: 1

    ADSL starts at US $75 for 256Kbps downstream and 64Kbps upstream. Like most caribbean countries, we are only now breaking the yoke of Cable and Wireless' monopoly. So far they have managed to stall the cellular competion for over a year by refusing to agree on interconectivity charges etc. Needless to say, most people here are going to switch en mass when the other companies finally get going....competition is a wonderful thing....

  234. OOL is great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Optimum Online here in Brooklyn, NY is $50 a month, and I get a 10 mbit down/1 mbit up line. If I connect to a good site, I can easily get 1.1 MBytes down. Usually though, I get around 360 Kbytes down, but my upload is always ~120 Kbytes. Some ports are also blocked (i.e. you cant run an email server or web server-- although for 30 bucks more a month you can)

    The line is capped however, if you use too much throughput. I'm thinking of spending $60/mo for a nice ADSL line from Speakeasy with no bandwidth metering or port blocking, 2 static IPs, and a shell acct. It would be nice to run my own little private ISP, just for me, or run a secure proxy off of my box.

  235. Sweden by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder if that's a word. Anyway, the single largest provider in Sweden for Internet and telephone services, Telia, is the private remnant of the now-defunct national telecommunications company. They charge about 450 SEK (equivalent of about $60 to $55 USD with current rates) for a 512/368 kbit/sec ADSL account (no bandwidth cap). The "best" ISP for those that can get their service is Bredbandsbolaget who offer 10/9 or 8/1 mbit/sec depending on distance to the station for about the same price as Telia. But they are clueless bastards that don't know how to fix DHCP servers (from personal experience :)

  236. Bredbandsfabrikken: 10/10 Mbps: $40/mo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    I have this in my Oslo appartment. Unfortunately, this company went bust, so the network is not being expanded, but for us lucky few who got it in the golden age of dot com, the service is being maintained at said price. It is basically an ethernet plug in the wall, and fibre to the building.

    And yes, 10 Mbps both ways is the bandwidth to the internet, and not just the closest router (within Scandinavia and with normal congestion, anyway)

  237. Re:OOL capped me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am capped on my upload. Those bastards used to be cool about letting you use your upstream as much as you want, but the glory days are gone for OOL users.

  238. Re:Paying More, Without Choices (Costa Rica) by WearyVulture · · Score: 1

    In Costa Rica, my access is government owned and it is certainly not cheaper. You get dial-up internet access from the government's company, RACSA, or cable internet access from your local cable company (that has to pay RACSA a cut). The cost of cable at 128kpbs is $40 a month, plus you have to pay extra $20 for your cable TV (so it's actually $60 a month). Don't want cable TV? You're out of luck, you have to buy it to get cable Internet access. Want DSL? Wait until it goes through all the government red tape so that they approve the purchase of the necessary equipment and you may get it - after being 9 months on a waitlist.

    Why not just use the phone-based access? It might be that phone lines were you live are so damned noisy that it is impossible. Phone is government owned too, by the way.

    Don't get me started on cellphones.

    As this and the poster from Jamaice exemplify, it is actually the lack of choices that drives up prices.

  239. Spanish DSL prices by descapa · · Score: 1

    I am currently in Spain and prices for DSL are around 40Euro/month. I am using Telefonica DSL which costs me 39Euro/month which is 256k down & 128k up (as well as 24hour access). Also I don't need a contract or anything, this includes a USB modem. You can get a router/dsl modem as well as wireless stuff for about 30-100Euro more (one time charge). There is an option for 512k as well but I am not sure of the price.

    There are other companies out there, Ya.com, Wanadoo which you might be able to get a better price. Keep in mind though that in Spain, Telefonica is the traditional government backed company and I am pretty sure they own most of the lines. I think that is why most of the companies have the same price for their DSL.

    One final note you can find a few prices a little bit lower but they actually limit the service so you don't have 24hour access. So you can use it at night or offpeak times...I have never seen that before in the US, those were around 30Euro/month...to me the extra 10Euro was worth being able to be online all day. I hope this helps and if there ever is a website that would be awesome...it was such a pain to try and read Spanish and then call people and try and ask questions...so painful.

  240. DSL in Mexico by letxa2000 · · Score: 1
    In Mexico, DSL is $89 per month for 512 down, 256 up. It used to be $89 for 256/128, but just last month they actually announced "Everyone at 256 will now be at 512 for the same price." I nice Christmas surprise, I guess.

    1. Re:DSL in Mexico by jaruz · · Score: 1

      It is actually only $51 a month for 512 down 256 up, not $89. And you get free wireless access through all the hotspots available from Prodigy Mobil. Not a bad deal I think, specially for Mexico.

    2. Re:DSL in Mexico by aoeuid · · Score: 1

      Cable internet in Zihuatanejo is $27US (290mxn) / month. Maximum download speed is about 8 - 10kbps. I have never seen the official bandwidth rating that they are supposed to supply. TV cable is not required.

      In Morelia, a Mexican city with over 1,000,000 people, 64kbps cable costs $34US (360mxn) / month. TV cable is required on top of this. The service in Zihuatanejo, 70,000 people, is actually faster, cheaper, and more reliable than in Morelia which has 1,000,000 people.

      It is not particularly fast at all, but the always on makes it well worth it versus dialup with the local telephone companies charging for local calls.

    3. Re:DSL in Mexico by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who in Mexico even makes $89 a month?

  241. Look.ca by JeffGB · · Score: 1

    I pay $35 Canadian a month for Look
    It's a wireless microwave link, no caps, static IP, they don't mind if I run a server, and I received over 2Mbps downloading Linux ISO's.


  242. In Brazil... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Down here I spent 38 US$ for DSL 300kbps down/128 up (monthly). This includes 5.60 US$ for the modem rental (you may buy one, but since I share the connection with a neighbor we agreed on renting it). At least for my current telco the renting is not anymore available.

    Also, some Telcos here are enforcing monhtly download limits, but happily this is not happening with mine.

    AFAIK, other DSL speeds are available: 600kbps, 1mbps and 1.5mbps.

    Another thing worth to say is that you are not pushed to use the telco ISP do authenticate, so if you have a friend that works on some business that has a PAP/CHAP server you may save some extra $$$$. Currently I pay 5,13 US$ monthly for authentication (already included on the US$ 38 value).

    The service is quite good and when downloading from national sites I get easily 30-32 Kbytes/sec.

    Obviously not every city has DSL available, in my state only cities over 20-30,000 people offer it. But I think its damn good for what some call a 'third world country'.

    So, maybe this explains why so many brazilian script kids are messing with the net...

  243. Re:Paying More, Without Choices (Costa Rica) by Stile+65 · · Score: 1

    Heh... if you don't like that, I think the Movimiento Libertario is trying to change the government monopoly on telecom. Check them out.

    Yes, yes, I know I'm biased.

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  244. Italy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    in itlay the DSL rates rise from 25-30 euros for a 256/128 to 50euros for 640/128
    in some city (milan, rome, turin, genova, bologna, naples) FASTWEB (www.fastweb.it) offer a 10Mb/s fiber optic for 85 euros (including national phone calls)
    i'm one of the lucky fastwebbers :)

    1. Re:Italy by mirkob · · Score: 1

      There are too much offers and not so much clearance, some example of Home offers are:
      - 40 Euro/moth for a 256Kb Downstream presumably 64Kb upstream, flat, no special caps and, in theory, 24h/day. the 256Kb are a teorical maximum not necessary what you get. They guarantee only you do not get more than that ;-)

      - pre paid card like the phone card or time limited offer (25hour/month) at about 1Euro/hour ratio for the same Kb of the former offer

      recently I heard of a consumer offer of 1024Kb Downstream flath 24h/day for about 80/100 Euro/month but I hav not seen the exact offer.

      That only for consumer (low quality, not always reliable, not always on). the Serious contract for industry or office are not so cheap!

  245. In Italy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I Italy I pay 50$ to be able to connect for 6 hours a day with ISDN.

  246. bull by Sangui5 · · Score: 3, Informative

    The cost of long-haul bandwidth, especially in the US, is insanely cheap. There are thousands upon thousands of miles of unlit fibre strung across the continent, available for purchase at fire-sale prices. Of course, nobody's buying because there is long-haul capacity to spare and then some. The cost to light it (end-point equipment) are fixed based on the endpoints, not on the length (although it is expensive). The cost to run it, while proportional to the length, is nothing compared to the cost of laying it in the first place, or lighting it once laid.

    Most of the trouble with WorldCom was that they were lying about their network growth. In response, every other carrier was sinking vast sums of money into their networks, and every Tom, Dick, and Jane with VC and a backhoe was laying new long-haul fibre. At the same time, advances in technology was pushing the amount of data you could push through a strand throught the roof. All existing routes could be (and many were ) upgraded for just the cost of new end equipment--no new fibre necessary.

    In the end, it became clear that this capacity wasn't being used. Most of the fibre laid was left unlit, because there were no buyers for the potential capacity. Much of it has been sold at bankruptcy auctions. If you find you need more network capacity from New York to Chicago, say, you have multiple cheap options. You can buy new endpoint equipment, thereby increasing how much you can shove through your existing fibre. You can buy already lit fibre cheap from small-time networks that are going under. You can buy unlit fibre from failed startups, and plug your endpoint equipment into it there. Finally, you can just ask Sprint or MCI their rates, which are insane for short distances, but if you can bring a connection to their point of presence, they'll dump your traffic in whatever city you like, cheap.

    The density argument only works when you talk about the density of a city. Given the fibre is already a sunk cost, there is no technological reason for the cost/bandwidth disparity the US is observing.

    1. Re:bull by bluGill · · Score: 1

      But remember the flip side: once you commit to putting fiber in the ground, the cost to add 1000 strands isn't significantly more than the cost to put in the first 1. If you have 1 strand and it breaks you have to fix it. If you have 1000 and the one you are using breaks you switch to a different strand and go on. If you can sell the strands your not using, great. If you can't, given that you are putting it in anyway you are still stupid not to put in a lot of extra just in case there is a break somewhere down the line.

      Anyone expecting more than 5% of all fiber to ever be lit was fooling themselves.

    2. Re:bull by 4of12 · · Score: 1

      if you can bring a connection to their point of presence, they'll dump your traffic in whatever city you like, cheap.

      Great post.

      Your point suggests to me that there is a business opportunity if the cost of buying connecting equipment is reasonable.

      Is it?

      Or is the crux of the problem in the costs of local redistribution of IP connectivity?

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  247. Not that cut and dried. by BiggerIsBetter · · Score: 2, Informative

    Here are the tables for Xtra, and part of New Zealand Telecom, part owned by Microsoft, and ADSL monopoly for most of the country.

    Home: http://jetstream.xtra.co.nz/chm/0,5123,203086-2023 43,00.html
    Business: http://www.xtra.co.nz/products/0,,5804,00.html

    Yes, it's a huge rip-off. But hey, it's OK because Telecom is owned wholly by owned subsidiaries of Ameritech and now "a variety of institutional investors". Thanks for selling us out, New Zealand government - the NZ telco market is Pwn3d.
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    1. Re:Not that cut and dried. by Brian+Boitano · · Score: 1

      Huh?
      Xtra part owned by Microsoft?
      Where'd you get this info from?

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    2. Re:Not that cut and dried. by hdparm · · Score: 1
      www.xtra.co.nz is now www.xtramsn.co.nz

      I'm not sure if there were ownership transactions made at the time when Telecom (owner of XTRA ISP) outsorced web portal management to EDS/Microsoft on a multi-year term.

    3. Re:Not that cut and dried. by Brian+Boitano · · Score: 1

      xtramsn.co.nz doesn't have any of xtra's ISP specific stuff on it (like xtramail link vs hotmail link), and anyway, I thought Xtra's relationship with MSN extended to the web portal only.

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    4. Re:Not that cut and dried. by BiggerIsBetter · · Score: 1

      Microsoft made a 300 million dollar investment in Xtra. There's info on the Telecom and Xtra websites.

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  248. Sasktel by Txiasaeia · · Score: 1

    Sasktel in Saskatchewan: $45.99 CAD per month for 1.5/128, or $59.99 CAD per month for 3.0/256.

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    1. Re:Sasktel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Should also mention that there's no limit on dl, sorry :(

  249. re: Princesses by Behrooz · · Score: 2, Funny

    Means their princesses won't go down on him.

    At least, they won't go down on him if he's not wealthy enough to ignore the cost of cable. But hell, anyone could have told him that...

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  250. Student, Sweden by Mindjiver · · Score: 1

    I pay $20 / semester for 10Mbit/s . Tough this is with a NAT:ed adress. But I'm not complaining. :)

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  251. The Price Game by read-only · · Score: 1

    I used to have DSL, and was quite happy here in the Twin Cities. Then I bought a house and moved to a location where cable was my only option.

    My broadband connection (via cable) works just fine. In the past 12 months I have had one major technical problem which lasted 24 hours. I get steady download rates, so I'd say it is "quality", if quality means you get what you should come to expect. I mean, that is the way things are *supposed* to work, so I'm not going to say it is "great quality" just because it works. (I thought I would interject this rant because the question of price in terms of quality has been mentioned more than once).

    Now my real rant... I have a cable provider from whom I get television and broadband from. This gets me a a "discount" applied to my internet cost. I use the term "discount" loosely. I suspect many of you also have this "discount". Without the discount, my broadband would cost me upwards of $60 (USD) per month! We could have a glass-half-full vs. glass-half-empty debate, but to me it seems like instead of getting a $15 discount for having both cable AND broadband, its more like paying a $15 penalty if I decide I don't want cable TV. Seems like I am getting screwed, especially since (as far as I know) most people don't have a choice of cable providers. So I'm stuck... sorta.

    I'd like to get satellite TV, but I would miss the $15 "discount". I have a friend who finally was TV but kept broadband (paying a higher rate now). The icing on the cake was that the charged him a "downgrade fee". What a load of sh*t.

    If money is the root of all evil, then the cable companies are trying to collect as much evil as they can.

    Thanks for listening to my rant. :]

  252. my story: by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

    $35/month for 512/128 down/up cable, with poor latency (online games are unplayable), frequent connection problems, and no ping/traceroute functionality. Sioux Falls, SD. And it's the only thing that's really available.

    I have a friend in BC, CA. He pays 20$/month for something like 768/386, and has no restrictions whatsoever.

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  253. Netherlands by l0wland · · Score: 1

    ADSL/ 1MBit/320KB /FUP/staticIP costs me Eur 53/month. The 1MBit downetram will be double januari 15th, without a pricechange.

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  254. Tanzania by beeblebrox87 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I live in Arusha, Tanzania. There are three major internet providers in town, each of which buys a satellite uplink. My provider connects users by running cat5 cables through trees etc. with the occasional signal booster. Max bandwidth is around 320kbps, average is 40kbps. They charge $54 US a month.

    The second major provider uses Navini wireless transmitters and receivers. I'm told that their users get around 500kbps max, 80kbps average. They charge ~$45 a month, but charge $550 for the navini receiver on signup.

    The only thing I know about the third major provider is that they're not available in my part of town.

  255. Broadband in Argentina by mruizcamauer · · Score: 1

    Here in Buenos Aires I pay $100 pesos per month, or about U$S 33, for 512k down / 128k up, no fixed IP...

  256. Spain by BillKaos · · Score: 1

    In Spain, DSL prices are (much standard):

    256/128 Kbit, 25 /Month (from 18:00 to 8:00)

    256/128 Kbit, 45 /Month (24 hours)

    512/256 Kbit, 90 /M

    2048/384 Kbit, 192 /M

    Cable varies in each city, about 20 128/128 flat.

    I use a radio-link 4Mbit/4Mbit, it's 300/Month.

  257. Belgium flanders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wrote someone elses post about Flanders. I think ghe missed my ISP :).

    I was with Wanadoo Belgium. But they have been taken over by Tiscali now. Anyway: It's ADSL:

    for 35 :

    down: 3,3 Mbps
    up 128 kb/s

    max traffic/month of 15 gigabyte. Never have reached 10 and I download linux, listen to radio, even set up small teamspeak-server with 4-5 persons speaking simultaniously. They're service is great. Now seeing what Tiscali will give. Till now great, they even raisezd my webspace from 50 MB to 100 MB.

    Ohh, I have 10 emailadresses :) and with aliases 30. I only use 1 and maybe 2 when my brother is going to use one instead of his hotmail-adress.

    1. Re:Belgium flanders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hmmm euro-symbol isn't showing:

      so it's 35 euro(test:).

      Ooh yeah and it was: I read someone elses ...

  258. 40Mbps ADSL for around $30 by ag0ny · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm in Japan. Since a few months ago, 40Mbps ADSL service is available at around 4000 yen/month ($30-$35). I'm using a dedicated optical fiber line at 100Mbps, and it costs around $150/month. A 100Mbps shared line costs around $100/month, if I recall correctly.

    1. Re:40Mbps ADSL for around $30 by neier · · Score: 1

      Actually, the B-Flets 100Mbps shared optical line is closer to $50/month, and $30/month if you live in a condo/mansion which is wired for access.

  259. Portugal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whoa, I didn't realize we were so well... In Portugal the average cable or ADSL connection will set you back about 35EUR/month for 640/128. What's really weird though are the bandwith caps, some ISPs give you a figure and you can't go over it, or you start paying through the nose for every 100MB more. The limit is usually 7GB/month upload+download. You can get uncapped ADSL for something like 55EUR, but the instalation fee is about 250EUR. My ISP, the leading cable and ADSL provider (a monopoly of sorts) only allows 1GB downstream unless you're downloading from a national IP, then you get 20GB downstream. They don't even care for the uploads, so no weird policies about home servers. Fortunatelly from 4am to 7am they turn off the limits, so people like me can get all the stuff they want without taxing the other users. Thank god for bittorrent and cron jobs :) Some ISPs are now starting to turn off the limits from 1am all the way until 7am. Here's hoping mine follows suit cause 3 hour/day ain't bad, but it certainly could be better.

  260. Overview of norwegian pricing by CelestialScum · · Score: 1

    The norwegian market for broadband has a good deal of variation, depending on where you live (rural vs. city) and even what part of the cities you are in (some parts has access to very high-speed broadband and has had it since the end of the nineties).
    You can find a total overview on this URL:
    http://www.itavisen.no/art/1302634.html
    kr/mnd will show the price, they also rate it as a bang-for-your-buck. For comparison, you might do quick and dirty convertion for about 7 kr pr. US dollar, and 8 kr pr Euro.

    Overall, broadband in Norway is now cheap and availiable in most parts. However, since we are still dominated by a few big players, development and deployment of new DSL standards are slow (they wish to have a dividend on their initial investments before moving on..).

  261. Denmark, TDC by thskyt · · Score: 1
    I currently pay USD 110 for a 2M/512k ADSL with a fixed IP and flatrate, including my own reverse-lookup on the ip. This doesn't include landline-fees, but TDC doesn't discriminate between their own lines and "foreign" ones.

    So far, neither I nor any of my nearby friends have been contacted though we download far too much to be considered "normal" users.

    USD 110 may seem like a lot for an ADSL line, but remember that a student in Denmark can apply for governmental support, which amounts to USD 1000, including a small loan. Furthermore you're allowed to have another income besides that, so it's not uncommon for students to have around USD 2000 a month.
    If you have that income and share your line with a roommate or two, it's really cheap! And TDC's customer support usually answers the phone very promptly.

    Moderate wisely :)

  262. comcast east tennessee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We have a pro account, $100/mo, 5 ips that only change ips twice a year, 4Mbps down, 500Kbps up, better than bellsouth dsl in this area.

  263. In Sweden, with BBB as ISP by Jugalator · · Score: 1

    I'm having BBB as my ISP and get 10 Mbps up/down for, hmm.. maybe around $53 / month.

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    1. Re:In Sweden, with BBB as ISP by Jugalator · · Score: 1

      Btw, no restrictions like max monthly up/download data

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  264. Finland, Oulu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My connection is VDSL (in 10Mbit/s, out 10Mbit/s) with public static ip, no traffic filters and no use restrictions. Price: 82 e /month (+ 6 e /month for the VDSL-box).
    It is a normal customer line from Oulu Telephone Company (www.opoy.fi). Typical throughput is from 1Mbit/s to 5 Mbit/s, input bandwith is usually more available than output.
    Opoy offers VDSL, where available, at the same price than ADSL (in 8, out 1). They don't restrict bandwith or usage.
    With private dynamic ip through proxy connection it is 50 euros / month, less if special deal.

  265. Portugal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    (hope the first try didn't make it through)

    Whoa, I didn't realize we were doing so well...
    In Portugal the average cable or ADSL connection will set you back about 35EUR/month for 640/128.
    What's really weird though are the bandwith caps,
    some ISPs give you a figure and you can't go over it, or you start paying through the nose for every 100MB more. The limit is usually 7GB/month upload+download.
    You can get uncapped ADSL for something like 55EUR, but the instalation fee is about 250EUR.

    My ISP, the leading cable and ADSL provider (a monopoly of sorts) only allows 1GB downstream unless you're downloading from a national IP, then you get 20GB downstream. They don't even care for the uploads, so no weird policies about home servers.

    Fortunatelly from 4am to 7am they turn off the limits, so people like me can get all the stuff they want without taxing the other users. Thank god for bittorrent and cron jobs :)

    Some ISPs are now starting to turn off the limits from 1am all the way until 7am. Here's hoping mine follows suit cause 3 hour/day ain't bad, but it certainly could be better.

  266. I'd kill for broadband that cheap. by Allnighterking · · Score: 1

    Silly Con Valley USA ..... DSL 29.95 for 256 down 128 up..... Cable... 49.95 a month + in both cases you may or may not have to rent a modem from them. ....

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  267. Japan, Optical Fiber rates. by RanBato · · Score: 1

    100 Mbps up/down. (please note the capital M there) for about 5,000 yen a month (about US$ 46).

    Link, (in japanese) Usen
  268. Australian Prices by OzeBuddha · · Score: 1

    Check out http://www.whirlpool.net.au/ for Australian broadband news and prices;
    "Whirlpool is a non-commercial, non-profit, independent community web site devoted to keeping the Australian public informed on the state of broadband internet access in our country."

    You will be able to find all Australian broadband prices there for comparison. Currently 1AUD ~= 0.777USD
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    1. Re:Australian Prices by boxen · · Score: 1

      Approximately $70 will grant 3 Gb D/L per month on Optus Broadband cable. That's on a 1.5 year contract & you have to also get their phone on (another 20 per month) for 1.5 years. And - then - after all of this - you get to pay only about $200 installation fee (though this does include the modem).

      Optus; they're the friendly ones who don't charge for overthrows on the bandwidth quota. Telstra - the other major lading / competing provider charges ridicuolous amounts for extra bandwidth. Our household were the proud owners of a $400 bill the first month they applied the policy.

      It's possible we're the most screwed country of the lot on this issue. More bandwidth!

    2. Re:Australian Prices by Randy+Wang · · Score: 1

      That's nothing. We got stuck with a $1600 bill after we went several Gb over... when we were still on DIALUP.

      You can probably guess, we're no longer with telstra.

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    3. Re:Australian Prices by boxen · · Score: 1

      Holy Telstra Suckage.

      Let them not become fully privatised.

  269. $45 DSL -- No cable -- Harrisonville, MO USA by RiffRafff · · Score: 1

    No internet via the one analog cable compny here, and Sprint owns all the phone lines, so if I want broadband, it's $45 for 512K, $60 for 1.5M (or $53 and $75, respectively, if you don't sign up for a year).

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  270. Ireland, up2&over $100 p/m by zoney_ie · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You have to pay for phone line rental too - I think Eircom (Ex-State Telecoms monopoly) is something like 26 p/m for the phone connection. Chorus (the State's main cable/wireless TV) charge about half the amount on their wireless phone connections. So altogether it can cost over 75/$100 for 256kb down here in Ireland. Surely we're the most expensive State in the E.U. Broadband is only available in major cities and selected areas. Few areas have more than one provider (I know of only 4). The Irish govt./Eircom plans are to rollout to all towns over pop. 1000 next year. Businesses can get better deals - particularly if in an area with the competitors (E.G. Esat BT - Irish branch of BT - British Telecom, and UTV internet - Ulster Television - Northern Ireland's TV station). Broadband is offered mainly via telephone lines - though Chorus offered wireless broadband till the equipment supplier went bust.

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  271. Prices - South America by hervey · · Score: 1
    I didn't see any threads discussing South American prices.

    I live in Santiago, Chile and this is what it looks like here:

    You can get Cable Modem from two providers, Metropolis and VTR (they are about to merge).

    You can get DSL from many different companies.

    You can get wireless/radio from several groups.

    At my house I went with Broadband from Metropolis. My connection is 512Kbps download and 256Kbps upload. I pay about US $50/month for this (last year is was $42, but the dollar has crashed here). You can get up to 1Mbps upload and 480Kbps download. Pricing and plans are here:

    http://www.metropolis.cl/

    (click on "Internet" - the link is ridiculously long to post).

    DSL pricing is very similar here, but you have to deal with paying for connection fees. I would have preferred this route, but the physical shape of the phone lines to my house made DSL dubious.

    I, also, have IP phone service, which is about to be the subject of intense legislative debate in the Chilean government as the cable company is getting around the taxes on phone calls... Same issues, different country.

    - From Santiago

  272. Rogers Cable (Ontario, Canada) by Arctic+Dragon · · Score: 1

    I pay $44.95/month for my 3.0Mbps/384kbps connection.

  273. Southern Asia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In Sri Lanka (look it up, small island to the south of India), ADSL was recently introduced. Flat rate 512k down/128k up (you can get about 30k downloads or a bit higher). No bandwidth cap so far (although that might change when more people come in)..

    Cost: works out to about $12.50 per month.. you need to cough up about $150 or so for connection and the router.

    Of course, the way people are paid there, that's about the equivalent of $300-$400..so not cheap. All the same, pretty cheap compared to dialup earkuer(where the phone bill would set you back more than that for any kind of surfing :)

    Down with telecom monopolies. All we have are resellers of bandwidth right now. No monopoly means even cheaper rates.

    Its even probably cheaper in India ..

    Of course, the speed is deceptive, because you got a minimum of 3-4 hops to anywhere ... but the always on connection will probably change a few people's lives..

  274. Cost by Anssi55 · · Score: 1

    In Finland TeliaSonera's 512/512kbps ADSL costs me 48. No transfer limits. IP is "dynamic", though it never _really_ changes.

  275. Edmonton, Canada static IP c$50 by adoll · · Score: 1

    I went with incentre.net for my DSL -- they gave me 2 static IPs with only P2P blocked so I could run my HTTP/FTP servers.

    C$50/month = us$37/month

  276. Comcast Cable by cybrchld · · Score: 1

    I get 3.0Mbps/384kbps and pay $60.00

  277. In Minneapolis,... by Salis · · Score: 1


    A Cable Modem, through Time Warner, costs $40 a month.

    In the suburbs, the cost for a cable modem + basic cable is around $60.

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  278. Tonga. by pulu · · Score: 1

    Conversion rate to USD ~ T$2 to US$1.

    Wireless service (Using this system). Equipment rental of $125/mo. above price listed below

    32/32k is $300/mo
    64/32k is $500/mo
    128/64 is $1000/mo

    And it goes up from there. No discount for higher rate levels. $4125/mo if you want 512/256k. The average yearly salary of a family out here is about $5000. You people don't realize how lucky you are.

    Pulu All rates are uncapped as far as monthly limits.

  279. Videotron by gfilion · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well, I'm in Quebec and I'm subscribing to Videotron's cable modem services. They have three plans:
    1) 128 Kbps for CAN$25/month (modem included) It has a 1 GB/month up down limit.
    2) 3 Mbps down / 15 Kbps up for CAN$35/month (modem not included) It has a 10 GB/month down and 5 GB/month up limit.
    3) 4 Mbps down / 30 Kbps up for CAN$60/month (modem not included). No usage limit.

  280. Re:Unlimited frequently is not. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Far west suburb of Chicago: $25/mo for 1.5/256 ADSL

    College town in the middle of nowhere: gets about 800kbps to C-Net, included in my rent ($680/mo for reasonable-size 2br in a good location)

  281. Re:useless unless quality of service is also measu by Daniel_Staal · · Score: 1

    Great. Except Verizon in my area won't lease their high-quality endlines. Mom-n-pops can't get access to offer ADSL or SDSL, only ISDN. Which costs twice as much, for a slower connection.

    I was pricing recently, the lowest anyone else could offer was the same price as Verizon's business line cost. And it would be slower than Verizon's home line. This is competition?

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  282. Ripped off by Flingles · · Score: 1

    Here in Australia I'm currently paying $90 AU (around US$50) a month for 3 GB of downloads, the only bonus is, if you play games or get files off the company's server its unmetered ie. doesn't count toward dl limit. And the files on the server are requested by users. Otherwise its a ripoff.

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  283. chile.latinamerica by SignificantBit · · Score: 1

    Here in Chile the telecomunication/internet market is quite competitive. I mention it, beacuse i think is important to give a context on technology and market development to evaluate prices over internet access.
    With 15 millions people, Chile has 4.5 million users of digital 2G and 2.5G (GSM and CDMA) cellular phone services and 3 millions of residental phone lines.
    750k broandband users and a total of 3 million internet users (dialup/at-work/etc).
    So.. what are we paying here?

    ADSL and Cable have prices on this ranges:
    256 kbps => 40 dollars
    512 kbps => 50 dollars
    1 mbps => 70 dollars

    For extra 10 dollars a month you get WiFi (router and installation for your home network).

  284. broadband in Australia by bonezed · · Score: 1
    recently broadband in AU has dropped in price and upped in gigs

    the average plan is au$80, roughly US$60

    this is for 512/128k adsl with ~15gb download (uploads are generally free)

    the biggest prob for ppl here is being able to get broadband as many areas still don't have it... tho hopefully that will change with some of the new wireless technology coming out

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  285. In Ecuador by trance29 · · Score: 1

    Here in Quito, Ecuador I pay $330 (US Dollars) a month for a DSL line of 256x64. The only way I can afford that is to divide it up amongst my neighbors wirelessly. My friend in Bogota, Colombia pays $80 (US Dollars) a month for cable modem which is equivalent to the speeds I have seen in the US.

  286. $24.95 in Sacramento, CA for DSL by dspyder · · Score: 1

    FrontierNet offering $24.95 for 12 months (although no contract). Free install, etc.

    They're a bunch of idiots, took them 2 days to install and get running... that after ordering it in October and just getting installed this last week.

    At least it's 3meg down 780k up even though they're not advertising any specific speeds.

    --D

    1. Re:$24.95 in Sacramento, CA for DSL by BulletMagnet · · Score: 1

      You must be on the other side of town if you have to deal with FN.

      I'm in Antelope and I have ONE broadband option being Comcast which pushes cable at 1.5mb/256K for $49.00/mo with a no-server restriction (however they've never come after me yet)

      WinFirst (now owned by Surewest) was going to start building its 10mb/10mb Fiber to The House down towards my way but they ran out of money 2 years ago and Surewest is not doing any new development anytime soon.

      Nearly all of my area is outside of SBC's DSL footprint

    2. Re:$24.95 in Sacramento, CA for DSL by ljavelin · · Score: 1

      That's pretty good... does that price include "fees"? and other reoccuring charges?

    3. Re:$24.95 in Sacramento, CA for DSL by dspyder · · Score: 1

      Haven't seen a first bill yet, but no mention of anything additional on their website. I'm expecting some.

      --D

  287. $45US/month Comcast by uptaphunk · · Score: 1

    Up in my neck of the woods 1.5Mbps/768Kbps is $45 in Mill Creek (20 mins North of Seattle).

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  288. 24$ in USA? by nurb432 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    THen why do i see it advertised for 50$ everywhere i look?

    25$ would be nice.

    For your 'chart' be sure to take into effect the different relative value of a 'dollar'...

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    1. Re:24$ in USA? by Egoine · · Score: 1

      I think you misunderstood the original poster (probably because he badly worded his post). He meant:

      The prices in Eastern Canada are ridiculous comparing to some US states: in Eastern Canada we pay around $24 US a month for DSL or cable.

      egoine

  289. California is a huge state by PCM2 · · Score: 1
    Here in California, Verizon will not sell you DSL unless you also subscribe to voice service.
    I also live in California, and I don't have this requirement. In fact, I'm not even sure Verizon provides DSL in my area (San Francisco).

    I got my DSL from Earthlink, who provisioned it through Covad. A Covad guy showed up at my house for my installation. I asked him if he was going to run it over my existing SBC (nee Pacific Bell) phone line. He said something to the effect of, if I really wanted that he'd do it, but he didn't think I wanted that. In the end, he ran a new jack to exactly where I told him to put it -- drilled a hole in my wall, ran the wiring along the baseboard, everything. I'm still sitting right here next to a jack with the Covad logo on it, and there are no "filters" on my regular phone line. And, I might add, this installation was free. Things may have changed since then, which was a couple of years ago now, probably; but I've had consistent service with the same provider since then, with very few complaints.

    I pay about $50/month, which until recently was pretty much the going rate in the area, whether you went with SBC, Covad or some other DSL provider, or whomever the local cable provider was (Viacom, then AT&T and now Comcast). Competition seems to finally be starting to drive the prices down; or, Comcast seems to be going back to the model of competing on bandwidth, I believe offering 6Mbit in some areas.

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    1. Re:California is a huge state by jchristopher · · Score: 1

      ... and you don't have a voice number on that line? When you call Covad for help they don't ask "what's your phone number?"

    2. Re:California is a huge state by mobilebuddha · · Score: 1

      If you have verizon, SBC is not allowed to give you DSL (and vice versa). Verizon is horrible. I have verizon right now (or at least until comcast comes out and do the install next week, along with my modem) with verizon i've been paying about $30 for phone and $24 for dsl. With comcast i'll be paying $56 for cable internet. Difference? In my area (north bay area, california), you get 128kbit up and ~700kbit down with verizon. with comcast you should be getting at least 1.5mbit down and 256kbit up, if not 3mbit down..

    3. Re:California is a huge state by PCM2 · · Score: 1
      ... and you don't have a voice number on that line? When you call Covad for help they don't ask "what's your phone number?"
      They do ask me that, but so far as I can tell it's just a number they use to index my account. I know for a fact that my DSL line is on a different pair of posts from my voice phone at the box outside my house. I know this because, at one point, somebody moved into the apartment upstairs from me, ordered SBC phone service, and suddenly I found my Covad DSL line mysteriously cut. I had to go and reconnect it myself at the demarc box. My voice phone service was unaffected. (Somebody once suggested to me that this happens because SBC is a union shop, while Covad is not.)

      At any rate, I certainly don't get voice service from Covad.

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  290. Re: Maybe Israel will invade again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm not lebanese, fortunately.
    Anyway, I agree the only way to bring development to that country is to have the israel x muslims conflict ended so that israel can takeover lebanon economically and develop the place (development there will *never* happen with the current 70% of muslims running the country under the sirian blessing)

  291. DSL prices in Malaysia by sm84 · · Score: 1

    Malaysia's monopoly phone company Telekom Malaysia and their subsiduary (TMnet) have deployed about 150,000 DSL lines recently. The quality of service is poor with complete outages of international links for as long as 10 days. Partial outages are frequent and can last a couple of days. Malaysia with 12 x 155Mbps international circuits has some serious congestion to international sites. The price of their service is however a decent value for broadband deprived Malaysians.

    From: http://isp.tm.net.my/streamyx/newPromoPackages.sht ml

    384kbps/128 (60 hours, no modem) - 11.58 USD/month
    512/128 (unlimited, leased modem) - $26.05 USD/month
    1Mbps/384 (fixed ip) - $110 USD/month
    1.5 Mbps/1.5Mbps (fixed ip) - $162 USD/month

  292. How about a non-profit service provider by maird · · Score: 1

    The city I live in, Spanish Fork Uah, has its own cable service. I get 1.5MBps downstream (I've measured it) and 768 kbps upstream IIRC, a routable, static IP address (more if I wanted them), no questions about what I do or how much I use. I run my own domain, mail, web and more with no questions. I've downloaded huge numbers of megabytes of Linux distros in short periods of time with no question of limits. They are upping the service to 3Mbps soon at no additional cost. They have a shared 150Mbps uplink (private 75Mbps circuit). Best of all they have no use for profit (legally our city can't make a profit as I understand it) so any "excess" that they make goes back into the service. $35 ($28 if I bought cable TV as well). Comcast is also in the neighbourhood and can match it in price but not in service performance or quality. The lack of profit motivation means that the city has about half the connections per physical node that ComCast has. QWest is our local loop. They wouldn't give me DSL a couple of years ago (before the city had cabled up) saying I was on a Multiplexer (MUX) and gave the impression everyone in my neighbourhood was sharing pairs. So, they never got my money (though they stung me nearly $100 a month for IDSN-2 and service - that's for only 128kbps). It turns out that when I finally got to speak to a real Qwest engineer a few weeks ago they actually had a MUX on one of my pairs only (previous home owner had two lines on one pair). I could have had DSL all this time. Well Qwest, way to throw the money away by letting the blind (salesmen) lead the blind (me since they wouldn't let me argue the point)! Going back to the static IP address with the city. They let me use 802.11b for a few months before they cabled my street. The day I setup the modem the network manager called me and asked ME how many IP addresses I wanted! No extra charge! He even said OK to hosting a secondary DNS server for my domain at no cost.

  293. Subsidized hell. by Mulletproof · · Score: 1

    Of course, there is the fact that that you're the one actually paying for the government subsidies anyway...

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  294. Worship Britney Losers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The one where all the damn foreigners try to tell me whats going on in my country by what they read on Communist Websites.Canucks contributing to US Presidential candidates etc.
    Don't you fuckers have enough at home to worry about?
    You are all a bunch of pre-teen girls and the USA is your fucking Britney Spears.
    We Ownz yo'Asses!
    U..S..A..!
    U..S..A..!

  295. Videotron by philv2 · · Score: 1

    I'm a videotron customer living on the south shore of montreal (Quebec, Canada). Currently I pay 39.99$ (for the first 5 months) for 4mbit down, 768kbps up. The regular price is 69.99$ However, they do offer 3mbit down and 384kbps up for 29.99 a month. And just in case anyone was still wondering, my prices are in canadian funds. I'm one of the lucky ones!

  296. Just North of Claxton(Fruitcake Capitol) on US 301 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thats not BFE GA
    Hell you guys got a decent Football program for a Cow College

  297. Ecuador by Micah · · Score: 1

    Last time I talked to someone, a few months ago, they said that in Ecuador, cable costs about $150/month, and they have technicians check that you're physically only using it with one computer (no router deals). DSL was like $800 (!!!).

    But, I'm moving there next week so I'll find out for sure pretty quick!

  298. beat this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Montevideo, Banana Republic of Uruguay.

    64/64 kbps - US$ 45. IP changes every 12 hours.
    256/64 kbps - US$ 70. IP changes every 12 hours.
    384/128 kbps - US$ 165. Fixed IP.

    (ref: www.anteldata.com.uy; 1 US$ =~ 29 uruguayan pesos; multiply by 1.26 to account for service sale taxes)

    To add a little more perspective... a junion teacher here makes around US$ 100 / month.

  299. "Buy one get one free by tepples · · Score: 1

    Then what about bumping the price of service D to the combined price of services D+A for those who don't subscribe to that company's service A? This accomplishes the same net effect.

  300. Costa Rica Broadband Rates by palpatine · · Score: 1

    I'm living in Costa Rica, Central America, right now, so I thought I'd pitch in on the whole "my place is a rip-off" bit. Because, as far as I see it, I'm going to win. :)

    The country is served by a France Telecom / Open Transit fibre line from the US. Internet (as well as land line, cellphone, and even electricity) service is provided by a monolithic government agency. Cable is available pretty much anywhere, and cable modem access is available in the urban areas. They're still working on DSL, but if you know anything about Latin American work ethic, it's gonna be a while.

    Here are the rates for residential cable modem access:
    (downstream/upstream kbps)
    128/64, $35/month
    256/128, $50/month (I have this one)
    512/128, $70/month
    Those rates used to be much higher (used to pay $80/month for 256/128), but the rates and services have changed as of January 1, 2004.

    As for access from an office, we have 128/64 for $50/month (up to 20 computers). It goes up to $250/month for 1024/256 access, and if you really need the upstream, it's $350/month for 512/512.

    So it's not great, but it could be worse. At least there's cable, and stable electricity -- which is more than you say about most of the world.

  301. Bolivia Prices by odiado · · Score: 0

    ADSL starts at 64 $USD/month for a 128kbps/64kbps connection.

    Price really sucks

    There are about 2 or 3 providers depending on which area you live. The price is quite the same with each provider.

  302. New York City cable information by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Getting cable modem service in NYC is a funny thing. Here is the rundown for those that don't live here.

    Borough - Available Cable Internet
    -------
    Bronx - Cablevision only
    Manhattan - Time Warner only
    Brooklyn - Cablevision only
    Queens - Time Warner only
    Staten Island - Time Warner only

    Since I happen to be one of those lucky souls that lives in a Cablevision borough, I can safety say it is actually the fastest ISP in the world. My connection is rated, on average, at 9000/950kbps (yes thats nine thousand kbps, ask other cablevision users if you don't believe me). By comparison a T1 is rated 1500/1500kbps. The service is $50/month, no monthly GB restrictions. Sometimes, life is good!

  303. beat this - Montevideo, Uruguay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    64/64 kbps - US$ 45. IP changes every 12 hours.
    256/64 kbps - US$ 70. IP changes every 12 hours.
    384/128 kbps - US$ 165. Fixed IP.

    (ref: www.anteldata.com.uy; 1 US$ =~ 29 uruguayan pesos; multiply by 1.26 to account for service sale taxes)

    To add a little more perspective... a junion teacher here makes around US$ 100 / month.

    1. Re:beat this - Montevideo, Uruguay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Move to NYC.

  304. Where I live... by Pantheraleo2k3 · · Score: 0

    Toronto, Ontario, Canada
    (specifically Eastern Toronto, Ajax)

    Cable:
    Rogers: 3 Mbps down - $45 CDN
    Rogers: 128/64k "lite" - $30 CDN

    DSL:
    Bell: 1.5 mbps (may have changed) - $45
    Bell: 128/64k - $30

    Pathcom - 1.5 mbps - $35

    Message: Skip Bell or Rogers. Go for something else. Pathcom rocks, but the IPs change about every 5 minutes

  305. Tampa, Florida by Ashcrow · · Score: 1

    In Tampa, RoadRunner standard home cable is $49.95 a month or $39.95 if you order cable TV as well. It's pretty bad compared to the prices a lot of other places get.

    I tried to get DSL thinking I could get a deal comming from cable, but the cheapest DSL I could find that was comparable to standard home cable was $119.95 a month. To rich for my blood.

  306. In Argentina by Andrea_from_Arg · · Score: 1

    The prices go from 70 pesos (23 dollars) to 120 pesos (40 dollars), more or less (ADSL). I know there's cablemodem, but it's not on my area, so I don't know the price.
    1 peso = 0.3 dollars

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  307. Netherlands by AlfaSprint · · Score: 3, Informative

    Here in the Netherlands there is plenty of choice, especially since ADSL has become as widely available as cable. I recently switched from cable to ADSL because it simply was a better deal.

    I used to pay 50 Euro (US$64) for 1.5 Mbps down / 128 Kbps up to Chello (cable provider which belongs to UPC) and never had any problems with them. However, running servers and connection sharing were not allowed and upload speed was lacking (especially when working from home). At the moment I have 8 Mbps down / 1 Mbps up for 65 Euro (US$83) with Demon and I have never been happier. Demon allows one to run their own servers (no support of course) and connect as many computers as you want.

    Both providers have no fixed bandwith cap but an Acceptable/Fair Use Policy, although based on what I've read in newsgroups and web forums you're better off with Demon since they seem to allow more traffic. Some people claim to have as much traffic per month as I have in a year, but I digress ..

    Since I share my connection with two friends who also live here I can split the costs, which makes it even better. And being able to download things quickly when you need them, be it new *BSD sources or a Linux iso makes me very happy :)

  308. Chennai, India - Cable 128Kbps @ USD 35 per month by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ....and prices are not going down for the last 1 years!! There is a cap of 1 GB as well. Torture.

  309. Singapore by littlewild · · Score: 1

    SingNet ADSL
    256Kbps Unlimited = USD$33.50
    512Kbps Unlimited = USD$45.70

    Pacific Internet ADSL
    384Kbps Unlimited = USD$30.50
    512Kbps Unlimited = USD$40.20

    Starhub Cable
    1.5Mbps Unlimited = USD$34.20
    3Mbps Unlimited = USD$45.80

  310. Japanese DSL by PetrusMagnusII · · Score: 1

    100mbps Down, and around 25mbps up for 9,000yen a month.. so like, since the exchange rate is so bad for US now.. around USD 84... not too bad yea. :)
    (let the jelousy begin)

    http://flets.com/opt/s_outline.html

    There are other 100mbit plans on that page, but the one I have is just for the single person. You can also organize with your neighbors to share a 100mbit line, in which case it's only 3,500yen/month (the catcher is you have to use NTT's phone service.. but that's fine, becuase everyone has it anyways already)

    Tabayashi

  311. Two Choices...For Whom? by )v(agnus · · Score: 1

    I live in Aurora, smack dab between two large (for Maine) cities. Our TelCo is Union River Telephone, and they provide Internet access through Rivah.NET. Monthly dial-up service is $21, which is what I use. Their monthly DSL rates are $50 (128Kbps Down/64Kbps Up), $70 (256Kbps Down/128Kbps Up), $100 (384Kbps Down/128Kbps Up), $190 (512Kbps Down/256Kbps Up), and a whopping $290 (768Kbps Down/256Kbps Up). There is no cable service at all anywhere out here, and I refuse to pay those rates. Does anyone out there have to contend with worse money-grubbery?

    1. Re:Two Choices...For Whom? by EmagGeek · · Score: 1

      Those prices aren't that bad considering the providers don't have good economy of scale out there... the infrastructure costs are enormous and unless you have 500k customers, it's almost not worth it...

  312. Singapore Broadband Prices by Draculax · · Score: 1

    In Singapore, the pricing for the 2 major broadband providers:

    • USD$33 for 1500/128 Cable
    • USD$45 for 3000/128 Cable
    • USD$34 for 256/256 DSL
    • USD$47 for 256/512 DSL

    IMHO the prices for Cable is quite a good deal but they need to be more generous with the upstream! While the DSL pricing can be more competetive ;-)

  313. Re:Paying More, Without Choices (Costa Rica) by WearyVulture · · Score: 1

    Thanks for the link, I should have added it. I am aware of them, and try to evangelize as many people as possible. It will happen - eventually. It's just too damned slow.

  314. One of the lucky ones... by Jack+Porter · · Score: 1

    Here in Seoul, South Korea I have Korea Telecom ntopia service (basically ethernet to my apartment). The bandwidth is around 70Mbps (unlimited use) and it costs me about $US35 a month.

    Last night I downloaded a number of Linux distribution ISOs (setting up a MythTV box) - about 10GB in all. I downloaded it all simultaneously and got about 400KBytes/sec on each download. With BitTorrent I've seen 2MBytes/sec.

    My friends back home in Australia are getting royally screwed - twice the price for 512Kbps capped at 2GB a month! Insane.

  315. Ecuador by CySurflex · · Score: 1
    I just got back from a trip to Ecuador. In the largest city (Quito) there are Internet Cafe's every 5 feet, so I struck a conversation with my broken spanish with one of the owners. He was astounded by how fast & how cheap it is for me in California.

    He is paying $100/month for 256kbs down and 18kbps up!

    (I'm paying $50/month for 1.5Mbs down and 384kbs up - in Southern California)

  316. Answers: by gerardrj · · Score: 1

    "I was wondering if it would be possible to put up a world map with broadband internet pricing.
    Yes. Everything is possible. This in particular is even rather easy.

    The prices in Eastern Canada are ridiculous comparing to some states, around $24 US for DSL or cable.
    Of course, the terms DSL and cable are rather nebulous, the bandwidth on these lines varies from 128Kb to 10Mb/s. We'll need to ask what type and what speeds the connections are and if they use proxies, NAT, etc.

    I would like to know who is getting screwed, and who are the lucky ones."
    I thought getting screwed was getting lucky?

    What are the best and worst prices in your own area?
    I pay $60/month for a Cable modem that I lease, a static and globaly routable IP, and througput of 3.2Mb/640Kb downstream/upstream. I'm in Mesa, AZ, USA.

    Perhaps someone handy with graphics can collect some good data points from your comments and create such a beast.
    While this is very feasable, it's not going to be easyt to normalize all the data from the posts. It would be neat if someone like broadband reports would provide some simpler/graphic representation of this information.

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  317. Broadband in Sweden by fuvm · · Score: 1

    I have a 10 Mbit Ethernet drop from Bredbandsbolaget, for 44 USD monthly (315 SEK). It's DHCP, but the speed is very, very real. Before I moved, I had 512k ADSL from Telia for 52 USD (375 SEK), so it's not all that good. But unless you happen to live more than 4 km from your telephone station, the ADSL choice is always available. Haven't used a modem in years.

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  318. ADSL in Malaysia by alphaque · · Score: 1

    Malaysia only has ADSL as broadband, we don't have any legacy cable infraastructure to deliver anything on. the dominant provider is the incumbent former PTT and they used to paint the town red with their pricing. last october however, the government got a clue, and forced the incumbent to lower prices for ADSL broadband to

    US$18 for 384/128kbps
    US$23 for 512/128kbps
    US$179 for 2Mbps/128kbps

    the other smaller providers are slightly (10%) higher than the incumbent, but the incumbent by far leads in subscriber base. however, the problem here is not pricing, but the incumbent's inability to deploy the service. some are on waiting lists for over 3 months, and some places, due to the fibre infrastructure, cannot get DSL.

  319. Broadband Choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At least for Australia comparison pricing can be had at Broadband Choise. The copper local loop is essentially a monopoly in Australia, and the monopolist is also (not surprisingly) the largest bandwidth provider. Consequently, the majority of ISP DSL pricing is driven by upstream charges.

  320. Here's what I'm paying by EmagGeek · · Score: 1

    Zip Code: 19010

    Line 1: Covad: 384k/1.5M, /28 routed subnet, $89.95/mo
    Line 2: Verizon: 384k/1.5M, /29 routed subnet, $64.95/mo
    Line 3: Covad: 768k/1.5M, single static, $69.95/mo

    Lines 1 and 2 provided by DCA.net, Line 3 by Speakeasy...

  321. Reliable? by MochaMan · · Score: 1

    Here on Vancouver Island, I had 8 days downtime in November with Telus... After five unanswered emails to customer service and two calls to tech support (on hold for over an hour each time), I ended up submitting a complaint to the CRTC, which got me a response from Telus fast. They ended up apologising and refunding the month's service. I will be switching to Shaw in February.

  322. South Dakota by Winter · · Score: 1

    Midcontinent Cable
    3Mbps, $32 month

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  323. Indonesia - Jakarta by andika · · Score: 1
    Cable modem, ISP: IM2 (Indosat group), ~500kRp/month = US$60, downstream link can reach around 20kBps(160kbps), upstream not really tested but maybe lower


    Another things I'm interested, do you get a public IP? Are you allowed to serve (web, email, etc)?

  324. And here in Singapore, by st_lim · · Score: 1
    According to the latest price list from the 3 providers in Singapore, we get 512/256kbps ADSL @
    • Singnet - SGD68.25 monthly
    • Pacific Internet - SGD69.20 monthly
    • Starhub - SGD56 monthly for 1500 Mbps cable access / SGD76 monthly for 3000Mbps

    Note that cable is shared bandwidth, and with downtimes that occur at least once daily, ISPs here just suck. Exchange rate is somewhat like 1.7 SGD to 1 USD.

    So I don't really see how you can complain when you get T1 at USD40.

  325. ADSL Virginia by flailking · · Score: 1

    7.5 Mbps down 1 Mbps up cost Free Work for an ISP.....lol!!!!!

    1. Re:ADSL Virginia by flailking · · Score: 1

      oh ya...i forgot I gotsa a /27 network....static

  326. It's getting harder to tell the price... by Justice8096 · · Score: 1

    The community I am moving into (in Manassas VA, USA) is including 144KBPS in the Home Owner's fee. (For those of you who don't have these, think of a local, sanctioned government with powers not limited by the constitution, no oversight of votes, no appeal of decisions, and the rights to freeze your bank accounts for not paying a fine for not cutting your grass) For $99 a month, I will get trash removal twice a week, cable TV with ~40 channels, snow removal and 144 KBPS connection. For $5 more, I get 1 static IP. For $39.99 more, I get 1MBPS.
    In my current area, Sterling, VA, USA, I pay $118 a month, get 144KBPS (no options for higher bandwidth), and 3 static IPs.
    Oh, and I still have to pay $69.00 a month HOA, for trash removal, parking lot repair biyearly, and a community pool that is rarely open.
    Around here, new developments either offer broadband or the ability to use a golf course once a month with their fees. To contrast, the smallest home you can get costs $240,000.00, and, to provide a measure of comparison with another reader, the average teacher makes $3334.00 a month (~$40,000 a year)

  327. prices in sweden, it's pretty cheap by dinodipp · · Score: 2, Informative

    Bredbandsbolaget LAN/ADSL 10/8 Mbit 320 skr = 40$ Bostream up to 26/Mbit 55$ as i said... pretty cheap =)

  328. I'm the luckiest mofo in here! by DurendalMac · · Score: 1

    Why? I pay $30 a month for a fiber optic connection (Static IP. Dynamic is cheaper) with a 100Megabit cap. I've clocked it at 58Megabits. Why? I live in Grant County, Washington. It may be a podunk nowhere, but the county PUD made bank selling cheap hydroelectric power to California during the crunch. Now they're laying fiber to all businesses and residences. It rocks like nothing else. Moses Lake (The biggest town in Grant County, about 20,000) may be in the middle of buttfucking nowhere, but I don't know how I'm going to leave!

    1. Re:I'm the luckiest mofo in here! by Synic · · Score: 1

      Bastard. Utter bastard. :(

  329. Actually... by keeboo · · Score: 1

    ...it isn't properly a "gift". Well, it wasn't meant that way.

    This dates back to the very beginning of public Internet access in Brazil (~1996 AFAIR).
    What happened is that people were scared on the possibility of the Internet here ending monopolised by the public telco (they controlled the phone lines), so they made a law forbidding the telcos being ISP themselves.

    Unfortunately nobody predicted the ADSL so, yes, it's very stupid to have to pay an ISP while the telco provides everything you need.

    So that's why ADSL users give money for free to dialup ISPs. Isn't that pretty... :)))
    :P

    1. Re:Actually... by EduardoFonseca · · Score: 1

      Almost like that. I had an ISP back then and even participated on some meetings of the "Comite Gestor". Every ISP were scared of the new broadband solutions that, undoubtly, would come to Brazil.

      They proposed this with a double meaning.

  330. branson, mo, usa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Branson, MO, USA
    Cox Cable is, I think, $30 normally. I pay $60, but it's for a commercial 256/768 with a static ip.
    CenturyTel has DSL. I think it's $40/month.
    JJ

  331. S.F. Peninsula by Strenoth · · Score: 1

    City of San Carlos in San Mateo County, on the San Francisco Penninsula:

    Comcast is offering Cable Broadband at 19.99 for the first 6 months, then up to regular price which is around 40-45 I do beleive.

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  332. another price for Curitiba, BRAZIL by keeboo · · Score: 1

    I do pay ~100 BRL (~35 USD) a month, for ADSL 600k/300k (Brasil Telecom).

    I know that the plan for 300k/150k is ~80 BRL (~27 USD) a month.

    I do have my own ADSL modem, so I don't have to pay the overpriced one they offer you when you sign up (they allow you to pay it in 1000x so you don't notice the rape).

  333. Europe? by brucmack · · Score: 1

    OK, so why is broadband expensive in many places in Europe? I know for a fact that Denmark, one of the countries with the highest % broadband usage, has high prices, despite the presence of competition.

  334. oh, c'mon... is not THAT bad. by keeboo · · Score: 1

    Why people in Spain always believe they're the worst thing in Europe?

    ADSL in Spain is OK i think. Look at the ADSL in Portugal... THAT stinks (pricey, 2GB limit a month.. and a provider called "Sapo" ("toad") ). Poor portuguese people.

    Gosh, I'm in Brazil and my ADSL is not as restrictive as the ones in Portugal. :/

  335. Hong Kong by sydneyfong · · Score: 1

    Here in Hong Kong it's dirt cheap. You can get a decent connection for less than $25 USD. Any plans above that pricing line is considered to be damned expensive. And if you know where to look there are broadband offers that are under $10, and despite that some of those serivces may suck, some may actually be comparable to those $20 plans. Of course, expect the prices to rise a bit once the intense competition is over.

    Basically everybody running broadband is getting at least a 3Mbps connection now, and I'm running off a 10Mbps cable connection (they say it's shared by a bunch of other users, but to date I don't really feel the drag... I constantly pull a few hundred Kbytes/s from local servers)

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    1. Re:Hong Kong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the sucky cable has changed their 10Mbps to 8Mbps, the bandwidth is shared among the same building (image 30 people are using the 8Mbps!)

      $25US for most 3Mbps pppoe ADSL
      $10US for the sucky 8Mbps cable
      $1x for 10Mbps Gigabit Ethernet in some areas

      if you can read traditional chinese, http://www.hkultraline.com

  336. Re:useless unless quality of service is also measu by ljavelin · · Score: 1

    Sorry, I disagree that it's useless without QoS information.

    I have three local high bandwidth ISP options. The cheapest is about $35/month. The most expensive is Comcast running which starts at an incredible $52.91 per month.

    It is true that QoS is interesting, but it is also informative to learn that it isn't possible to get broadband for less than $35 per month in my area.

    In addition, it is interesting to note that Comcast charges $53 per month for their service where I live.

    And, by the way, none of those options include a static IP.

  337. KUWAIT by interdigitate · · Score: 1

    Here in Kuwait I use a Satellite/DSL combo. I download via satellite at speeds of 1Mbps and upload via dSL at a speed of 256kb. Price for my broadband is approx $120 US.

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    1. Re:KUWAIT by Oxide · · Score: 0

      If you dont know, kuwait is a small country in the middle east located south of Iraq.

      DSL in kuwait:

      128 kbp $70/month
      256 kbp $127/month
      512 kbp $255/month

    2. Re:KUWAIT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what do they need the internet there for anyways... all they are good for is OIL!

      gimme....gimme...gimme

  338. Rural Idaho by ID_Roamer · · Score: 1

    I live in a county larger than all of Rhode Island, with a population of about 12,000 people.

    The County Seat has a pop of about 5,500. There are only 2 other towns. They have pops of 200 and 500 people. Those two towns are not served by Qwest, they are served by small local phone companies, both have residential DSL. The county seat is served by Qwest, we have no DSL. One of the other phone companies saw an advantage in this. They added a second exchange and run new loops to business accounts only. They offer DSL to those business accounts.

    Because of this, they charge through the nose. We pay $37.00 for the line, $89.95 for the DSL service (256k up/640k down)and $20 for the ISP (they own the ISP and don't give you a choice about providers). They have two T-1's for their backbone, so they are so over subscribed, we seldom see more than 350k downloads.

    I keep watching for competition but so far, everyone who brings in an alternative sees that kind of pricing with $$ in their eyes and charges similiar rates (1 wireless provider can cover about 25% of the town)

    Lack of competition sucks

  339. South African Broadband by perspex · · Score: 1

    The best uncapped broadband you can get in South Africa is 64Kbps off-peak and 32Kbps peak for R950 ($141). The telecomuinications monopoly of Telkom means that it is illegal to use wifi over public areas (like roads). Telkom do offer ADSL but they limit you to 3GB of international bandwidth per month and charge (I think) about R700 ($104).

  340. Broadband Prices in Mexico by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Provider: Multinet
    Type: Cable
    64kbps 18USD
    128kbps 22USD
    256kbps 27USD
    512kbps 36USD

    Provider: Prodigy
    Type: Dialup
    56kbps 22USD
    128kbps 28USD

    Provider: Prodigy Infinitum
    Type: ADSL
    256kbps 28USD
    512kbps 34USD
    2.1Mbps 48USD

    Provider: Todito.com
    Type: Dial up
    56kbps 10USD = 100 minutes (prepaid service)

    Provider: Axtel
    Type: Dial up
    56kbps 23USD

    Provider: Direct PC
    Type: Wireless
    256kbps 34USD

  341. Extremely expensive here in India by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here in south india, prices are quite high and the critical limitation is on how much you can download - I pay the equivalent of US$200 for a mere 5 GB on a 256/256 Kbps link ! For 512/512, the cost is higher: about US$1000 and a cap of 25 GB / year.

  342. I get DSL for $35 US Dollars a month by forumgeeks.com · · Score: 1

    My ISP Verizon Online DSL, lowered the price from $50 a month to $35 ... I guess they were feeling the pressure from cable internet providers.

  343. Prices in Bombay, India by ktanmay · · Score: 1

    Over here shared connections are predominantly used, as their prices are very cheap and unlike some other schemes available, one can download unlimited number of bytes.
    I live in the southern part of the city, and on an average, the prices here are about 700Rs. per month, so about 15$.
    However, in the suburbs, the prices are even cheaper, the last I was told, about 350Rs. per month. so about 8$.
    But the disadvantage of a shared connection is the slow speed, so in terms of genuine broadband (for Jan 2004, let's define it as...512Kbps, obviously I may be wrong), they lag behind quite a bit.

  344. Prices in Thailand by Draeden · · Score: 1

    I pay $80 a month for 128/64Kbits DSL in Bangkok. I' using the cheapest provider... Higher speeds go up lineairly to 1.5M for $500-600

  345. Mexico fees by KamuZ · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Well, in Mexico for example with MegaRed for a home use we pay like 40us dlls for 384kbps using cable (well, they will change for the same price to 512kbps really soon). DSL in Mexico with Telmex we have to pay 54 us dlls for 256kbps (they will change that to 512kbps really soon too for the same price) In DSL we have no options, Telmex is a monopoly in our country, so no one can compete... Dialup is ile 17 us dlls for 56k, many ISPs do that now. But we have several problems, for example my Cable provider only lets you connect a PC to the cable, no problem sharing, but they limit your simultaneous connections, 30max, so if you share or use clients like BitTorrent, you suck up those connections and you can't connect :( Paying for commercial is like 60 us dlls for 512 or 100 us dlls for 1024 Of course there are other options but mostly local (local cable providers, local ISPs)

  346. Cincinnati, Ohio, USA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cable Modem = US$ 44.95 (all taxes & fees included), No garuntee of any speed just "50 times faster than dial up"
    ADSL = US$ 41.95 (768 Kbps download, 384 Kbps upload)

    The damn bastards are using their monopoly against us.

  347. Comcast by RzUpAnmsCwrds · · Score: 1

    Here (Fort Collins, CO, USA).
    Service is uncapped.

    Comcast Cable Internet:
    3m Down/256k Up
    $55 a month

    Qwest DSL (Business-Class; Includes ISP):
    256K-640k Down/256k Up
    $26.50

    1. Re:Comcast by forkboy · · Score: 1

      In nearby Denver, Comcast and Qwest prices are the same, but I use a national ISP based out of NC called Britsys. They use Worldcom and Covad to provide the hardline and provide 1.5/768 DSL for about $50 a month, with no restrictions and a static IP. Extra IPs are like $5 a month each. They'll even host your domain name on their DNS servers and route it to one of your IPs, free of charge.

      I can't say enough good things about these guys...their service has never gone out in the 6 months I've had it, my speed is always consistently what it is advertised, and the one time I ever had to call their tech support (router config issues when i first started) they were excellent.

      Check em out ,they might be available in your city: Britsys Inc

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  348. CharterMI by -kevin- · · Score: 1

    I live in rural upper michigan, north of wisconson, and the only practical choice for broadband is charter communications' cable. Its $30 a month for 128kbps up and 384 down. Currently, though, as a "promotion" I'm getting 1mb/sec download. However when I initially signed up the $30 plan was 512 down and 256 up

  349. Re:Paying More, Without Choices (Costa Rica) by Stile+65 · · Score: 1

    If it happens and the Free State Project flops, I'm learning Spanish and moving to Costa Rica. Especially if you guys elect a PML president in 2006! :)

    So, quite possibly, see you in a few years.

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  350. A Little Pricy In Tehran? by cmholm · · Score: 1

    500,000 Toman = 5,000,000 rials? It's been a while since I last went dickering at the Isfahan bazaar (120r = US$1, that long ago) so I'm a little rusty on the monetary jargon. This is a job for .... Freenet! However, I have no idea what the cost or availability of 802.11b equipment is out your way... or if it's so heavily regulated, it's besides the point.

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  351. DSL Access by nametaken · · Score: 1

    Try this one on, my housing company made a deal with a provider here. Every apartement complex (that's every decent one in the Bloomington-Normal, IL area) is provided by a DSL company that has a subcontracted answering service that doesn't have two way communication with the actual company, and doesn't know when the actual techs working hours are. They didn't know that the techs are all off after a certain time... and paging them is just a queue for the next day. Further, I've had a couple of weeks total downtime over the past few months. I can't change my provider, and the cost is built in to my rent. I can get cable, but them I'm paying two ISPs. Way to go SAMI.

  352. Poland by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    A global telecom company, www.tpsa.pl, gives 640/160kbit for about 35$ (a year before the only possible choice for broadband was 128/128 for 42$). There are also local ISP operators, including mine, givin access to shared, 1-10Mbit connection for about 10$. With proper QoS and good LAN, this is fairly better option than broadband. Eg. I 've got 40ms elsewhere (no lags, icmp, udp and selected tcp - eg. battlenet games). Connection speed oscillates in 100-300kbytes/s range. For 10$. Is it enough?

    1. Re:Poland by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... correction: i've got less than 10ms to my city's servers, less than 30ms to country ones and more than 40ms elsewhere.

  353. Are people including the telco costs? by r2000 · · Score: 1

    Here in NZ, I have to pay around NZ$40 for a phone line, $30 DSL costs to the telco (telecom) for the dsl service to be active on the line, and then ISP costs, these range from $20 to much more for flatrate ($130 i think) - all this gets you is 128k bidirectional connection. Im on a typical plan from most ISPs, 10 gigs of international data, unlimited national. Total cost is $40+$30+$35 = $NZ105 or about US$70 The broadband ones can only be bought from the telco. However they still make you get an ISP account for some reason. Most ISPs are NZ$10 for that. All that gets you is a mailbox, DNS service and a bill each month. Pricing on the broadband plans is horrendous, NZ$60 for 2 gigs of traffic at 256kbit. There are cheaper plans at half and 1 gig. The full rate plans are insanely priced. All data over your monthly quota is charged at NZ20c per meg. I think the rest of the world is laughing. recently there was an inquiry into this, the outcome was that the recommendation is that they have to wholesale the 256k service to other providors. No mention of the issue that I am forced to get a analog phone line that I dont want in order to purchase an ADSL connection.

  354. DSL in Sydney, Australia by ignavus · · Score: 1

    I pay $AU40 per month for 256/64, with a 2 GB limit ($AU6 per GB thereafter) - that is about $US30 and $US4.50 respectively. But with the way the US dollar is going ...

    And no, I am NOT with Telstra BigPond.

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  355. Prices in Slovenia by Avian+visitor · · Score: 1

    Our monopolistic goverment-owned telecom charges from $34 (1024/256 kbps) to $79 (4096/768 kbps) per month for an ADSL line. One-time connection fee is around $160.

    You can also get cable access in some bigger cities for about the same price, but most cable operators set a very low limit on MB/month (as low as 500MB/month in one case in know) and charge insane amounts of money if you download more.

  356. This is cheap here.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    HomePNA connection, 1 Mbps. 29 euros/month. Location is two miles away from Nokia headquarters. :)

  357. thailand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thailand:

    www.ji-net.com:
    dynamic IP, "unlimited" (you know ...)
    ADSL 128/64 = 87.50 US$
    ADSL 256/128 = 175 US$

    www.loxinfo.co.th:
    fixed ip, "unlimited" (you know ...)
    ADSL 128/64 = 150 US$
    ADSL 256/128 = 275 US$
    (http://www.loxinfo.co.th/proc.asp?table=news &id=1 12&task=detail&lng=)

    www.inet.co.th
    ADSL 128/64 = 133.75 US$

    *note*:
    128 kbits/sec is acctually 12.6 KiloByte per
    second not 16 Kilobyte!!!
    *note*:
    subscription prices are per month!
    *note*:
    all overseas carrier (teleglobe, reach, mci,
    sprint) must go thru CAT (communication autority
    of thailand). CAT then resells bandwidth to local
    ISPs. compared to hongkong where you just need
    to buy a piece of land bordering to te ocean you
    have automatic cable landing rights. this doesn't
    apply to thailand where all overseas communication
    must be sanctioned by CAT (www.cat.or.th/eng/)
    *note*
    you can't get ADSL everywhere in thailand!

  358. sweden, vastervik by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    hi

    Im getting 10Mbit for $30-$35 a month.

  359. Here in Australia.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We have recently celebrated a birth of the 20th million Australian. That includes a population of 5 million immigrants from all around the world.

    Australia is truly multi-cultural, a young country with only 234 years of (occupational)history, the size of the US, with contasts of vast deserts and rich plains and sub-tropical climates. Most of our population is spread over coastal regions. A lucky country...

    I pay US$55 per month for ADSL 512/128 with 16gb allowance and $US3.85 per additional gig.

    To put that into perspective = 2 music cd's (retail), 5 packets of cigareetes, a dinner out for two at a moderately priced restaurant(excluding wine), three superb steak or seafood meals at home or a full tank of petrol (gas).

    For me is excellent value.

    1. Re:Here in Australia.... by Euronymous1 · · Score: 1

      Swiftel huh? I'd recognize that plan anywhere :)
      It's the one I am on...

  360. and I live in fucking California for christ sakes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    here in Chico, California SBC dsl is fifty god damned dollars a month.

  361. Seychelles by Copley · · Score: 1

    Being stuck out in the middle of the Indian Ocean with only limited satellite links to the rest of the world means that things are a little expensive...

    Dial-Up: SR350 = US$50 per month for 60hours
    64k: SR2000 = US$300 per month!
    128k: SR3000 = US$450 per month!!
    256k: SR4000 = US$600 per month!!!

    HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

    Comedy pricing - Can anyone beat that???

    Steve C.
    (sadly still using 56k dial-up in the 21st century)

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  362. Re:DirecWay OMG that is horrible crap by anomic_event · · Score: 1

    In general, I agree with you. In Ohio, USA: 1. The name is DirecWay 2. They are constantly improving service... my service boasts/claims 945(down)/127(up) kbps (and it's not even the latest DW6000 integrated modem, no software install needed) 3. It's definately a choice of last resort, due to upload speeds, latency, price, and the "FAP" - Fair Use Policy (the cap you refer to - it's a little more generous midnite - 6 am I am told up to 350 mb / 3 hours).

  363. DSL in Dubai by wizrd_nml · · Score: 1

    Even though this post is late, it's here for the sake of completion: DSL in Dubai 384kbps/128kbps costs DHS270 = US$74 per month thanks to the great competitive environment that exists.. errr... There isn't any! The telco is a state run monopoly. Cheers

  364. India is the worst country by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    India is the worst country I have seen in terms of broad band access, especially for the home user. In India, the rates range from Rs. 7,000 to Rs.10,000 for 128 KB connection, and that too with a lot of restrictions in bandwidth usage / usage time. Just RIDICULOUS. I have lived in Singapore and also in Taiwan - actually I live here now and broad band access is fabulous. I had a 256 KB cable connection (unlimited both in bandwidth as well as in usage time) from Singapore Cable Vision for S$66 a month. In Taiwan, I have an ADSL connection (1.5 MBPS/64KB) and is also unlimited in both bandwidth and usage time and costs NT$1700 a month. This is from Chungwa Telecom , Taiwan. Really Fabulous.

    Unless India does something to make truly broadband unlimited internet access affordable to all its citizens (read HOME USERS), no one can consider India a developed country. I am an Indian myself and am truly ashamed of this brutal but honest fact that is prevalent in India.

    Cheers,
    Michael.

  365. istop by legojenn · · Score: 1

    Strange, I use Bell and well, I f(#$ing hate them. It serves me right for using them for landline phone, satellite, ADSL & mobile phone. There is too much inertia. Dealing with them regarding any of these services leaves me wanting to cry or hit someone. Anyhow, back to istop. When I entered my phone number, istop's webpage said that service is not available in my area, Somerset W in Ottawa, where I have pretty reliable ADSL. Those guys are gonna lose some business if they don't make sure their database is working right.....

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    1. Re:istop by Zalgon+26+McGee · · Score: 1

      They're limited to the info Bell provides, and Bell is (at times) somewhat less than helpful to competitors.

      Try calling or emailing them, inlcuding the news that you've already got Bell's service.

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  366. Prices in France by gounthar · · Score: 2, Informative

    for 512kbps (which is standard) you pay 20-30 Euros.
    But one ISP provides 4Mbps for 30 Euros, including VoIP and Television over IP.

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    1. Re:Prices in France by toff · · Score: 1

      > But one ISP provides 4Mbps for 30 Euros

      Say hello to the dog Gounthar, it's 5 Mbps.

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  367. Prices in Greece by Ian-K · · Score: 1

    Here we have a nice pricing scheme:

    If you want DSL, you have to pay the national carrier a 'line activation fee' of around 45 euro (plus another ~40 for registration IIRC ?) and a monthly fee of 25 euro for a 384 line, around 44 euro for a 512 line and I don't remember what it is for the 1M line.

    THEN, you have to go and subscribe to an ISP and pay them around 50 euro (IIRC) on top of that every month for the 384 line.

    I don't remember the exact pricing for the ISPs because I tried to order DSL a couple of weeks back, but when I realised that the 25 euro/month were only for the carrier, I went back, gave them a mouthfull and cancelled the subscription (I just came back from the UK, where pricing was a lot more reasonable).

    Prices here are understandably high since DSL was rolled out only a few months back, but the carrier's royalties were not something I felt comfortable with.

    cheers,

    Trian

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  368. Prices in Spain by laserite · · Score: 1
    128kbit/128kbit adsl: 33 euros = 40 USD (wanadoo)

    2mbit/300kbit adsl: 140 euros = 192 USD (wanadoo)

    600kbit/600kbit plc: 39 euros = 47 USD (iberdrola)

    4mbit/4mbit lmds: 330 euros = 396 USD (broadnet)

  369. Good ol' South Florida. by aetherspoon · · Score: 1

    DSL (crappy service, worse tech support, and it will never be cheaper than the below rates because Bellsouth.net has a monopoly):
    1.5 Mbit down / 256 Kbit up: 50 USD/month.
    256 Kbit down / 128 Kbit up: 40 USD/month.

    Cable (which isn't offered in my particular neighborhood. Of course, it sucks anyways):
    1.5 Mbit down / DIALUP UP: 50 USD/month.

    Wireless (just now being offered in my city):
    3.0 Mbit down / 768 Kbit up: 50 USD/month.

    Can you guess what I'm switching to?

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    --- Ãther SPOON!
  370. ADSL in Iceland by STFS · · Score: 1
    We here in Iceland have two major providers that are comparable in prices.

    Examples:

    1. 512Kb/s to and 256Kb/s from, 100Mb foreign download (domestic download is unlimited and included in the price)
      Price: USD$ 53 per month.
    2. 512Kb/s to and 256Kb/s from, 1Gb foreign download
      Price: USD$ 81 per month.

      These offers usually include a free ADSL modem and often even a wireless ADSL router if you agree to a 12 month commitment.
      This thing about the domestic downloads being free may baffle some of you... I don't know if this is general practice in other places but I doubt it, but this is the case in Iceland. You only have to pay for downloads from outside of Iceland.

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  371. UCF, Orlando, Florida by Blingin'+AMD · · Score: 1

    I have yet to check the precise speed, but I can hit up MS update with some decent speed, topping out at just under 4 Megabytes per second. However, most servers don't have that good of a connection, Fileplanet "only" gives me 500kbytes if I'm lucky.

    Cost?

    $80/credit Hour, ~$150 fees, $2100+ for housing...

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  372. Prices in Estonia by Eemeez · · Score: 1

    I'm using a slow broadband 64 kbits/s and that is about 11 $/month for 512 kbits/s it costs 22 $/month

    1. Re:Prices in Estonia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1 Mbit/s down, 384 kbit/s up is about $50 in Tallinn, Estonia when using Starman cable (with modem lease).

  373. Re:Prices in the North of Germany(Hamburg) by NFec · · Score: 1

    I pay 61EUR for my ADSL flatrate and telefon(ISDN).
    ADSL: 2048KBit/s Down, 192KBit/s UP

    For additional 5EUR per month I could upgrade my ADSL flatrate to:
    4096KBit/s Down, 384KBit/s UP

  374. Worker protection in Italy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > Worker protection is a joke (it probably has some of the worst laws (of the developed countries) to protect workers--on par with Italy)

    You are kidding! Italy is the only place in the world in which you cannot fire someone even if he raped your daughter! And trade unions are so powerful that they own half Italy!

  375. $30/month by TheDarkRogue · · Score: 1

    That's the cheapest I could find in Pittsburgh, PA

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  376. telstra... by spare.dave · · Score: 1

    Any Australians going to post? I've been out of the country for a year, so I'm not quite up to date on the rates. Is it still capped at 3gigs download a month? All I can tell you is the I haven't walked properly since the last time Telstra came to collect their bill.

    1. Re:telstra... by OZITNerd · · Score: 1

      Dunno about Telstra, but I'm with Optus. Still the same $69.95AUD a month for 3 gig ( back to 28.8k once you hit your 3 gig cap). As a sweetener at the moment they are letting you use double your plan for the next couple of months( I get 6gb ), to see if they can suck you into upgrading.

  377. Prices in Belgium by jevalje · · Score: 1

    In belgium, you get 3072 Kbit/s down, 128 Kbit/s up for 40 EUR/month ($ 51)

  378. Jordan + UK by xushi · · Score: 1

    I pay 60JD (that's 85$) per month here in Jordan, for 512k adsl, limited to 1Gig download per week. As for London UK, i pay 30 pounds (that's 55$) per month for a 2.2Mb adsl line, unlimited usage.

  379. $20 for 3000up/256down cable in Michigan, USA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I pay $20/month for 3000kbps up/256kbps down with Comcast in south-eastern Michigan, USA. I also subscribe to digital cable through Comcast.

    1. Re:$20 for 3000up/256down cable in Michigan, USA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      oops... should be 3000down/256up. You knew what I meant. :D

  380. Here... by raz2 · · Score: 1

    ... in Rotterdam we have a "lite" ADSL subscription for ~15$. A "medium" ADSL subscription is yours for ~29$, and a heavy account is about 50 to 80$.

    Lite usually implies 384/128kbit, medium is 1024/320kbit, and heavy is either 2048/1024kbit or 8192/1024kbit.

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    "I shoot troubles with a jackhammer"
  381. quite a giveaway here in japan by cybershadow_jp · · Score: 1

    ADSL here in japan can go as high as 40MBps and at what price? YahooBB (Yahoo Broadband) charges about US$20 a month for unlimited use - which of course includes an IP phone, and unlimited use of YahooBB's WiFi access points (like in McDonalds)

  382. Ridiculous pricing in Eastern Canada? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    $44/mo for 5 meg down/1 meg up from my local cable company doesn't strike me as all *that* ridiculous. It's nice doing a Debian update and downloading at 500 kilobytes a second, though :-)

  383. Broadband Prices in Ireland by Ferdinand · · Score: 1

    Despite promises from Government to make Ireland into a "digital hub" and the fact that 25% of the bandwidth which comes into western Europe comes through here, Broadband penetration is low, mostly due to the incumbent telecom, Eircom being a bit of a monopolist dinosaur.

    Things are changing though, as alternative infrastructure is in place and wireless is spreading fast. Prices are still exorbitant but expected to fall soon.

    Detailed pricing information available via the IrelandOffline campaign website.

  384. Spain by Tarrio · · Score: 1

    My cable-modem Internet connection (300 kbps upstream / 75 downstream) costs 45 Euro/month plus sales tax (16%), which amounts to 52 Euro. That prize includes the fixed cost on telephone. These figures are for R, in Galicia.

    ADSL (256 kbps upstream / 128 kbps downstream) costs about the same, but phone calls are usually more expensive than with cable.

  385. My japanese friend told me... by chubaca · · Score: 1

    that his ADSL line in real life can download at a speed around 20 Mbps, 40 Mbps is the best case, but because he is lucky and lives at only 1 block from the NTT building, where the access point to the national or regional backbone is installed, and it may act as a hub for his city (small city). He also told me that people 2 km farther from the hub would get only 2 Mbps in average.

    1. Re:My japanese friend told me... by gujo-odori · · Score: 1

      That's very true. DSL is very distance-sensitive. When they came out with 8 megabit DSL, most people could never really realize that speed, either. A lot of customers would inquire/complain about speed, and we'd have to explain that 8 megabits is the maximum possible wire speed, and that the farther you live from the telco CO, the less speed you will get.

      Among ourselves, we would say that if you can't open your window and urinate on the side of the NTT building, you won't get 8 megabits :-)

  386. Everybody else's internet is faster! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm on the east coast of the US, and I get 1.5- 1.7MB cable. That's considered pretty fast around here- and we're even about 40 minutes from a large city. (Philadelphia)

    But everybody else's is faster!!!!!!!!!!

  387. Prices in Hugary by frostman · · Score: 1

    Here in chilly Budapest, Hungary, I pay US$58 (44 euros) per month for cable, 512 down 128 up. Performance is reasonably solid.

    When I got it a year ago, DSL was not available in my neighborhood. DSL prices are about the same.

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  388. In Peru , Latin Am. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    The main provider is the land line monopoly, Telefonica (Spanish company, don't ask me why the national monopoly is foreign-owned!!). ADSL varies between 45 and 300 US dollars (yes, fees are in american dollars). 45 USD buys a 128/64 kbps connection, 67 USD buys a 256/128 connection, 100 USD gets you a 512/128 connection, and around 300 USD buys 2Mbps/300kbps.

    Cable modem access is cheaper, at 35 USD, but its coverage is very limited and is 128/64 (I think!).

  389. Comcast the only game in this part of town. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Too far from a DSL relay to get DSL, and Comcast has a monopoly on cable internet in Bernalillo County. $40/month. Where DSL is available it ranges from $30-$150/month depending on speed and provider. Dial-up is $10-20/month depending on provider (local ISPs are around 10, AOL/MSN around $22)

  390. chile by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    here in chile i connect to an 320/160 ADSL link for US$60.
    very expensive deal compared to the ones that other people posted here...

  391. I must be getting screwed by SeXy_Red · · Score: 1

    I pay roughly $50 a month here in minnesota, and after reading these posts, I am getting screwed. forget this noise, I am movie to japan. 40Mbps sounds good to me...

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    1. Re:I must be getting screwed by gone.fishing · · Score: 1

      Me too! I'm in Minneapolis where Time Warner charges me $49.95 + taxes per month for cable access. It seems to get slower and slower every day and they are advertising that they have sped it up.

      Also, they advertise 29.95 per month for joining up - when I see that ad, I want to quit for a day and re-join but probably can't do that and keep my email addresses and stuff.

      Grrrrr!

  392. In the Home land by aznxk3vi17 · · Score: 1

    When I was visiting my relatives in Korea, my cousin (who's an avid Starcraft player of course) told me of the pricings of his DSL. The speeds were about equivalent to our speed here.

    Main difference... he was paying about US $5 a month.

  393. Broadband pricing across the world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not sure if you know of this site: http://www.canadianisp.com/ I found it handy for comparing price vs service across Canada. I currently use Bell Sympatico. I will be moving to a cheaper, local provider once I get my own DSL modem. Having your own modem saves you anywhere from $5.00 to $10.00 a month in rental fees.

  394. Re:Moscow, Russia Broadband Situation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In Moscow, Russia there is one huge DSL provider - isptochka.ru , many other companies are just resellers.
    It is a daughter-company of gov't telco MGTS (Moscow City Phone Net), ISP mtu-net.ru and Intel-Russia.
    Price-list (in Russian) could be found here
    Prices are about 0.12$ per mb.
    But many people don't like their service because of poor quality & high prices.
    There are plenty of home and city area LAN's, build by different companies and individuals, providing cable access, file sharing, game servers and so on. Part of them are "gray" dealers, built w/o any required papers and taxes (one must get MANY papers, including construction license and license to sell information services, to have right to sell cable access). Anyway, such "gray" LAN's could cover dozens of houses, even whole city area's, with hundreds of users. Prices are from 0.02$ to 0.15$ and more, depending on up-level provider prices and type of traffic - local (Russian) traffic usually cheaper than foreighn.
    There are a lot of dial-up users, prices are about 0.5-0.75 per hour, but usually there is night unlimited acces for reasonable price.
    Some people use GPRS for surfing\IM\email - 0.30$ per mb.
    You can buy a Wi-Fi connection from several WiFi providers - prices will depend on quantity of data you use, speed and quality (from 200$ to 800$ to build a connection, 0.04$ - 0.30$ per mb). You could even get a fibre channel at home, channel providers sell it to home-LAN holders quite cheap - several hundred $$ to build a connection, 0.02$ and more per mb.
    If you're lucky you could get connected to some academic network with internet access, but that means low speed and poor quality - but very cheap or even for free.
    In other cities situation differs. There are places where it's impossible to get anything axcept dial-up. There are little towns, covered with cable 100%. A lot of cities have several huge Wi-Fi networks, official and "gray".
    See www.nag.ru (in Russian) for information about cable and broadband providing in Russia.

  395. Re:Location, Location, Location (sidenote) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...as a sidenote, I'd like to submit that while directly comparing monetary value via exchange rates is simple, it is also a meaningless exercise at the same time. Why? Mainly because costs inside of a country really don't vary too terribly much as the exchange rate varies as long as it is not really large changes. Most products already have sufficient profit margins(exorbitant) builtin such that exchange rates would really have to spread before a company importing items, or exporting items would really need to look at repricing.

    Then again some currencies are extremely artificially undervalued to begin with.

  396. Netherlands, cable, @home by cREW+oNE · · Score: 1

    Netherlands, @home cable (4096 down / 128 up) for about $45. They're going to quadruple the upspeed to 512 in a few months for free.

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  397. Here in South Korea by RefriedBean · · Score: 1

    I pay about 45,000WON per month for my cable connection (no cap).. according to XE, thats around 38USD.

    Btw, this connection is very reliable. I only had about 20 minutes downtime last year.

  398. Re:Paying More For NO Choices by Observador · · Score: 1

    Here in Puerto Rico we have only one landline telco (recently sold by govt) they have 256dn/128up dsl service for which I signed up for about 50 something bucks (and it'll amount to 70 something with the hidden costs and whatnot) however I've yet to pay anything because the service is not available where I reside because it's a "rural" area... been waiting for it for months.

    Now Puerto Rico is roughly 100 miles wide by 35 miles but the telco insists in having a separate metro and rural area (this might change soon) with some services available only in the metro area (incidentally metro-to-rural calls are long distance calls, ie costlier).

    Oh, and cable? Even less penetration than DSL and more than a $100 bucks for the lowest transfer rates.

    And for business I've heard it say that unless your' biz has some punch you have to wait an average of six months for a T1...

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  399. Russian Federation, St. Petersburg by danila · · Score: 1

    St. Petersburg, the 2nd largest city in Russia.

    I just switched from cable to ADSL. Here are the costs.

    Cable: 12$ - monthly fee for 128kbps/32kbps, traffic paid separately, 0.07$/Mb. This means about 100$/month for my regular use (without stuff like trailers, demos, MP3s, P2P, etc.).

    ADSL: 200$ setup fee. Monthly fee - 60$ for 64kbps/16kbps connection, unlimited traffic. The speeds are the guaranteed ones, actual download/upload rates are closer to 256/64 most of the time.

    Only two companies offer ADSL in the city (4.5 mln population, although average salary is 170$/month). One company owns the equipment and charges for traffic, another one (my ISP) uses the equipment of the first and offers unlimited usage plans.

    Two or three companies offer cable access, but only about 10% of the city is covered. Some firms offer radio-Ethernet, people can also use their CDMA or GPRS mobiles to access the Net, but these are used by only a few people.

    Most people still use dial-up, which is basically 0.5-1$/hour.

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  400. Costa Rica by dindi · · Score: 1

    Total monopoly in Costa Rica by Racsa (racsa.co.cr) that is operated by ICE (ice.co.cr). Cable service is done by Teletica (cable TV company, or Amnet)
    prices for residential 128k = $50...
    for an office 64k = $50, 128k = $100
    (they just lowered the prices for offices, in 2003 I payed $100 for 32k - only option was to rent an offices since cable does not reach my house) ...
    Hard to bee a ggek if you want to live in a country with lotsa sunshine, and 2 oceans :) net is expensive, life is affordable ...

  401. Canadian Cable Prices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I pay 49.99 CDN for a 4 m/bit DL and 64 k/bit upload with unlimited transfer.

    back west on a 1 m/bit line down and 32 k/bit line up I think it is 29.99 or probably less

  402. Saskatchewan by tkw954 · · Score: 1
    Saskatchewan Canada

    Sasktel (government phone co) charges about C$23 per month for high speed DSL for students if you self-install (i.e. go pick up the modem, set your box to DNS, and plug it in).

    Chart of rates:

    http://www.ttlcomp.net/Sympatico/ServicePlans.asp

  403. It depends by GnarlyNome · · Score: 1

    I would like to know who is getting screwed, and who are the lucky ones."
    I thought getting screwed was getting lucky?
    It depends
    1.. did they use Vasoline?
    2.. If they used Vasoline how much sand did they put in it ?

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  404. Venezuela & Slovenia by Artemis3 · · Score: 1

    Here in Caracas a 256kbps/128kbps aDSL costs aprox 40US$ and there is only 1 company to choose from, which is also the telco (a private company).

    At least it is a flat rate. Some people can use cable with basically simillar prices, but some companies charge when exceeding certain amount of data transfered. Penetration here is at 20% at best, i think its much lower.

    I have a friend in Slovenia who is basically paying US$170, no other choices. It is also their telco, but they force users to have ISDN, so its basically dsl over isdn (i think thats 112~128kbps at most), and they pay for phone + isdn + dsl + internet access and it ends being those 170US$.

    I would love to have this map too, someone please dig all the replies and put up a nice site with the results ^^

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  405. Israel by hotpotato · · Score: 1

    $30 for 1.5mbps down for 6 months is the best deal I could find recently. After that the price goes up around $5-$10 (though you can probably find a similar new deal..). This deal is offered by Netvision, the largest local ISP.

  406. norway is worse than anything else in the world.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I pay approximately 88$ USD per month for a 704/128kbps ADSL connection.. theres no limit to the amount of data I can download..because I had the line before they started having caps... if I had not been that lucky I would have had a 30gb/month maxlimit

    I live in the most expensive country on the planet.. thats.. NORWAY.. where we pay 1.5$ per liter of gasoline while I hear USA pays 88cent for a gallon..oh and just to make life even more miserable we live next to sweden.. where they give out 10mbit nocap connections for 1/3rd what we pay..

    what I have doesnt even qualify as broadband.. its just a turbocharged ISDN... total garbage..

    but, at least we dont have BUSH!

  407. Australia - iiNet by Hecatonchires · · Score: 1

    $80 AUD/month for 512/128, 12gig peak quota, 8 gig off-peak, quota calculated on rolling 30 day window.

    It's considered a pretty good deal compared to what else is on offer to us skips.

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  408. NZ Rates by sitharus · · Score: 1

    Here in NZ I pay NZ$70, ~47USD for 256k/128k cable with a 10GB international transfer cap (local data is 1/10th the rate).

    I have a static IP, no ports closed and even the ability to run servers without violating the TOS. They even changed the reverse DNS entry to my domain name ;)

    You do need a second service from the company, either TV or Telephone, but since their phone charges are cheaper than the only competition, I'm not complaining.

    The NZ government recently got talked out of unbundeling the local loop. Damn penny-pinching bastards the Telecom NZ are.

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  409. Co-ops are nice! by bobcat7677 · · Score: 1

    I live in a rural area outside Portland, Oregon. We have a local Co-op for telecom service that has faithfully served the area since the dawn of telecom. Even though the area is rural, they managed to deploy DSL to most of the service area quite effectively with "remotes" (Small weatherproofed DSLAM banks in the neighborhoods connected back to the C/O via fibre) While that limits out options (as of now, we have no choice except our co-op), it doesn't matter. Downstream is advertised as 768K but I have noticed near T1 speeds at low use times. Upstream is as advertised at 384K. For $47/mo including ISP, I don't think that's bad. There is also a cheaper plan that's 256/512 for like $35/mo. Service is quite reliable, and since I own the network like all ther other residents, I get a check in the mail if they end up turning a profit:D As a side note: Back before DSL came about, I had two phone lines and ran a pair of 56K modems bonded ("shotgunned") on a "normal" dialup account with my co-op. Most ISPs will charge you extra to do that or just plain don't allow it.

  410. Indonesia by ojek · · Score: 1

    In terms of internet connection it's really frustrating in Indonesia after living in Canada for 5 years.

    For lousy "home" cable there's only one provider so far, price is about 350,000 rupiahs (about US$ 41) per month. Don't get me started on their service/quality, it's disgusting.

    For "business" ADSL (512/64) with unlimited usage we pay 3,800,000 rupiahs (about US$ 447) per month. I used to pay CA$ 45 per month for my 1Mb/256kbps home ADSL back when I was in Canada in 2001.

  411. Prices in Brazil by Nataniel · · Score: 1

    Hello, My name is Nataniel Klug an I am from Laranjeiras do Sul (it's a small town in Brazil). I have a small WISP and ISP here and I provide wireless broadband access (802.11b). Here we have one telco who sell DSL, the prices are like this: My WISP*: Wireless 128 Kbps down/up - US$ 17,00 Wireless 300 Kbps down and 150 Kbps up - US$ 27,00 *There is an investiment to use wireless (buying the 802.11b equipament) and its about US$ 160,00. DSL from BrasilTelecom Telco*: ADSL Turbo 300 Kbps down and 150 Kbps up - US$ 35,00 * There is an investment here too (modem ADSL) and its about US$ 90,00. In my town I sell wireless more than DSL becouse of montlhy prices.

  412. Broadband Access - Worldwide Pricing etc. etc. by daimonic · · Score: 1

    Without going into too many details. I'm an Australian working in Laos in SE Asia. My company has had me investigate the options for Internet use and connectivity for the company headquarters located in Vientiane (Capital City of the Lao PDR)... Currently, we have the following options, not all broadband I realise, but it's good for background information. Standard Dialup account, $40 USD/month (PLUS usage charges over 40 hours... $1/h) Permanent Dialup account (lucky to get 21 kb/s with a 56k modem), $140 USD / month (TELEPHONE RATES are charged /minute at 1 cent US/minute) Cable Internet 64kb/s at a standard rate of $300 USD/month (which I bargained down to $200 + free wireless lan for my laptop (paid 6 months in advance with 3 year contract *puke*). Wireless at 64kb/s at $300 USD/m again. Satellite service $600 USD/month and UPWARDS for 64kb/s upwards.. download limit beginning at 750 meg. Thailand on the other hand (who supplies the satellite for Laos) is selling the same service for 3,000 BAHT /month which is equiv of around $80 USD/month... 10 km away it's 5 times the price. You guys are incredibly lucky.. Internet here is slow, unreliable, and very expensive.. :)

  413. Telewest by rpjs · · Score: 1

    I'm with Telewest and pay 50GBP per month for 512KB (both ways) cable broadband, cable TV and telephone. Not a bad deal by UK standards.

  414. DSL in Guyana by mango9 · · Score: 1

    The price of the only DSL in Guyana is to be found at:
    http://www.gtt.co.gy/dsl.html

    It starts at US$65. It is SHARED bandwidth. No minimum. Sometimes slow...

  415. Midwest USA by JShadow · · Score: 0

    Well, I live in a small town near St. Louis...here's our lineup currently:

    Dialup: $20
    Cable(512k down/96k up): $30 ($25 if you're a cable subscriber)
    DSL(?/?): coming next this spring/summer

    I've been VERY pleased with the cable internet here, and the costs of the cable modem are great to start($40 dlink after $20 mail in rebate)!

  416. max-usage by Njovich · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In holland most of the really cheap providers have a maximum usage of 150 to 500 MB / month. Unless we find a way to measure those kind of gotcha's, comparison seems impossible. And avarage wage in the area would be a factor to include too.