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Being alert for a Solar Flare HOWTO
- Download & install gkrellm
- Download & install Gkrellkam plugin (it's for getting images from webcams).
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Set up the gkrellkam plugin to get the image from http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/realtime/c3/1
0 24/latest.gif, which is a LASCO instrument at SOHO (which we are turning into the world's most expensive webcam IMHO). - Also, set the number of second per update at 3600, so your image will update every hour (I don't know exactly the update times at soho website, I think 1 hour is ok)
- Stay alert for some twisted structure like this
I have four gkrellkam panels, one for watching sunspots, another for coronal holes (currently in "bake-out"), another for the auroral oval and the above one. The links for those images are:
Auroral oval (replace "pmapS.gif" to "pmapN.gif" for the northern hemisphere)
Take a look to the SOHO website (lastest images->near realtime images) for more images... sadly the SOHO now is in a kind of blind point, so many of them are marked as "CCD Bakeout". Maybe it will be back online in a few weeks.
Of course you can use gkrellkam for a lot of other purposes, like getting weather satellite images... oh, and getting images from a ordinary webcam
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Being alert for a Solar Flare HOWTO
- Download & install gkrellm
- Download & install Gkrellkam plugin (it's for getting images from webcams).
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Set up the gkrellkam plugin to get the image from http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/realtime/c3/1
0 24/latest.gif, which is a LASCO instrument at SOHO (which we are turning into the world's most expensive webcam IMHO). - Also, set the number of second per update at 3600, so your image will update every hour (I don't know exactly the update times at soho website, I think 1 hour is ok)
- Stay alert for some twisted structure like this
I have four gkrellkam panels, one for watching sunspots, another for coronal holes (currently in "bake-out"), another for the auroral oval and the above one. The links for those images are:
Auroral oval (replace "pmapS.gif" to "pmapN.gif" for the northern hemisphere)
Take a look to the SOHO website (lastest images->near realtime images) for more images... sadly the SOHO now is in a kind of blind point, so many of them are marked as "CCD Bakeout". Maybe it will be back online in a few weeks.
Of course you can use gkrellkam for a lot of other purposes, like getting weather satellite images... oh, and getting images from a ordinary webcam
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Being alert for a Solar Flare HOWTO
- Download & install gkrellm
- Download & install Gkrellkam plugin (it's for getting images from webcams).
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Set up the gkrellkam plugin to get the image from http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/realtime/c3/1
0 24/latest.gif, which is a LASCO instrument at SOHO (which we are turning into the world's most expensive webcam IMHO). - Also, set the number of second per update at 3600, so your image will update every hour (I don't know exactly the update times at soho website, I think 1 hour is ok)
- Stay alert for some twisted structure like this
I have four gkrellkam panels, one for watching sunspots, another for coronal holes (currently in "bake-out"), another for the auroral oval and the above one. The links for those images are:
Auroral oval (replace "pmapS.gif" to "pmapN.gif" for the northern hemisphere)
Take a look to the SOHO website (lastest images->near realtime images) for more images... sadly the SOHO now is in a kind of blind point, so many of them are marked as "CCD Bakeout". Maybe it will be back online in a few weeks.
Of course you can use gkrellkam for a lot of other purposes, like getting weather satellite images... oh, and getting images from a ordinary webcam
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Being alert for a Solar Flare HOWTO
- Download & install gkrellm
- Download & install Gkrellkam plugin (it's for getting images from webcams).
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Set up the gkrellkam plugin to get the image from http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/realtime/c3/1
0 24/latest.gif, which is a LASCO instrument at SOHO (which we are turning into the world's most expensive webcam IMHO). - Also, set the number of second per update at 3600, so your image will update every hour (I don't know exactly the update times at soho website, I think 1 hour is ok)
- Stay alert for some twisted structure like this
I have four gkrellkam panels, one for watching sunspots, another for coronal holes (currently in "bake-out"), another for the auroral oval and the above one. The links for those images are:
Auroral oval (replace "pmapS.gif" to "pmapN.gif" for the northern hemisphere)
Take a look to the SOHO website (lastest images->near realtime images) for more images... sadly the SOHO now is in a kind of blind point, so many of them are marked as "CCD Bakeout". Maybe it will be back online in a few weeks.
Of course you can use gkrellkam for a lot of other purposes, like getting weather satellite images... oh, and getting images from a ordinary webcam
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Biggest flare of all time
http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/hotshots/X17/
An X20+ in 1991, and we all survived.
I wouldn't be too worried unless I was living on the ISS, or if I was a satellite. Where a tinfoil hat would be useful in such a situation (well, OK a lead foil one for my 'nads.) -
Voyager needs the Jedi: termination shock region
Remember the Voyager mission? Every couple of years, deep space exploration vehicles experience the fists of fury from our very own yellow star. Check this out: Blast Wave Blows Through the Solar System
The solar wind clashes with the gases in interstellar space leading to ripples that can interfere with our communication with voyager and other such ships. The current flares will catch up in a couple of years but before that the voyagers would have experienced something else too. Read this: Voyager Enters Solar System's Final Frontier -
Voyager needs the Jedi: termination shock region
Remember the Voyager mission? Every couple of years, deep space exploration vehicles experience the fists of fury from our very own yellow star. Check this out: Blast Wave Blows Through the Solar System
The solar wind clashes with the gases in interstellar space leading to ripples that can interfere with our communication with voyager and other such ships. The current flares will catch up in a couple of years but before that the voyagers would have experienced something else too. Read this: Voyager Enters Solar System's Final Frontier -
Biggest. Flare. Ever.The biggest flare ever recorded was on April 2, 2001.
This led to the coolest desktop picture ever (2400x2400, about 1 meg, be sure to wear sunglasses).
Cool quote FTA: "Luckily, the flare was not aimed directly towards Earth!"
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Biggest. Flare. Ever.The biggest flare ever recorded was on April 2, 2001.
This led to the coolest desktop picture ever (2400x2400, about 1 meg, be sure to wear sunglasses).
Cool quote FTA: "Luckily, the flare was not aimed directly towards Earth!"
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Take a look at the LASCO or SXI images --
MDI just showed a spot
... I have no idea why CNN thought that was a good picture.
EIT's in the middle of a bakeout, so you'll want to take a look at the SOHO/LASCO images, or GOES/SXI
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Take a look at the LASCO or SXI images --
MDI just showed a spot
... I have no idea why CNN thought that was a good picture.
EIT's in the middle of a bakeout, so you'll want to take a look at the SOHO/LASCO images, or GOES/SXI
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Re:Can someone help me?Aside from the obvious help something like this could be for helping turn away a Near Earth Object (check out this site for more info on NEOs), large portions of the technology used to develop these missions furthers other closer to home technologies. A few off the top of my head:
Robotic missions furthers robotic tech for other industries. Bomb disposal anyone?
Material science is furthered with every new probe, providing insights into stronger materials for planes/trains/automobiles back here at home. If you've bought a car in the last 25 years, you have benefited from the space program.
New communication tech directly carries over to private industry. Without previous missions, there would be no DirectTV.
In flight tech adjusted the Deep Impactor twice before colliding with the comet. That tech could easily be the precursor to an intelligent AI to land planes.
These are just a few things off the top of my head. The great thing about programs like this is the untold tech that will be developed from this that we can't even guess at right now, and perhaps not for many years.
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JPL is even worse
JPL's job website is another of these. See JPL Career Launch. From the site: "In order to access the JPL Career Launch website using a Macintosh you must use Internet Explorer running under a PC Emulator."
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Re:Mining
AHEM....
Even after Clinton's $715 million dollar cut, thats still, $17B BILLION in the 1995 budget when you adjust for inflation into 2004 dollars
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Unlikely they thought the moon was powder
They thought to moon could be a big ball of loose powder, too.
Neil Armstrong says he didn't know if they were going to land on the surface, or sink into it never to be seen again.
Hard to believe that Neil Armstrong was not familiar with Lunar Surveyor. See http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/lunar/surveyo r.html.
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Re:Powder...
True. Take a look at Mathilde. This asteroid has two huge craters mde by impacts that would have blown it apart had it not been so porous.
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Re:Powder...
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Re:Powder...
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Skip the middlemen
and their advertising application masquerading as a "website"
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Re:No surprise
Amen! Fall 2006?!? This is an outrage! The shuttle had been grounded for two years. I fully support government funding for a NASA dedicated to pure research (think Spirit and Opportunity). I think the shuttle replacement (CEV) should be the last of manned space flight under the direction of NASA, but let's get it going now. Between the Iraq war, Katrina, and the shuttle, the USA could use some checks in the win column.
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Re:So... how long till we see other planets?
cool number 9 is correct, NASA is working on these types of projects.
The idea is to build smaller telescopes, or hypertelescopes, and link them together using interferometry (defined). -
Re:So... how long till we see other planets?
cool number 9 is correct, NASA is working on these types of projects.
The idea is to build smaller telescopes, or hypertelescopes, and link them together using interferometry (defined). -
Re:So... how long till we see other planets?
cool number 9 is correct, NASA is working on these types of projects.
The idea is to build smaller telescopes, or hypertelescopes, and link them together using interferometry (defined). -
Collision of two neutron starsThe collision of two neutron stars is common enough to produce some of the heavy elements. My guess is that there is no black holes either and that gravastars pry shed enough material to explain the rest.
If this is true about electrical discharge what is this is a weapon?
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Re:Fixed Link
At least the NASA page is still up and there are links from there to the Chandra site. Now you choose, science or devolution
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The Article is a troll
Electric Universe is a well-known crackpot site, built on the most absurd pseudoscience. They're the same outfit that predicted a large explosion when Deep Impact hit Tempel 1.
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More info at NASA...messenger at nasa.gov
MErcury Surface, Space ENvironment, GEochemistry, and Ranging mission.
No wonder space research costs so much - it isn't easy to come up with these names!
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un /.'ed version
Can be found here
-Sean (OutdoorDB - The Outdoor Wiki -
A more relevant link
Here's a link to the mission status for MGS, it briefly explains what happened. The orbiter is running on a backup computer while they are investigating what happened.
http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/mgs/status/reports/msop-m gs.html -
I knew...
... about this about a month ago. Not exactly a new development.
http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/mgs/status/reports/msop-m gs.html
I could have had a front-page /. story if I thought it would get accepted.
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Isn't the first time
Apparently this probe (the Mars Global Surveyor) went into "safe mode" before in its mission.
http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/mgs/status/wkreport/curre nt.html -
Oh no, they found the joystick!
The martians found the joystick accidentally left on the OUTSIDE of the craft. They were playing too much with their newly discovered joystick. http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/press/spir
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Nice map of hill and path
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Re:Wow..
So can I :
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Re:Full 360 picture
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Re:Full 360 picture
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Unfortunately..
Spirit let two of her fingers get in front of the lens, ruining an otherwise breathtaking photo.
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Re:Beautiful ImageryThe rover has sensors that detect the tilt of the rover and will halt movement before it tips over. There's a whole section on NASA's website about navigation and the like.
The Pancam, the highest resolution cameras, have 1024x2048 pixel CCDs.
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Re:Full 360 picture
A non-thumbnail size version of this panorama where the jaw droppingly spectacular dust devil on the left can be seen very clearly.
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The Official High-Res + Wide Angle Image
http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA04184.jp
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From the catalog page
This approximate true-color panorama was taken by NASA's Spirit rover after it successfully trekked to the top of "Husband Hill," in the "Columbia Hills" of Gusev Crater. The "little rover that could" spent the last 14 months climbing the hills in both the forward and reverse directions to reduce wear on its wheels.
This breathtaking view from the summit reveals previously hidden southern terrain called "Inner Basin"(center), where team members hope to direct Spirit in the future. The rover left tracks to the left point toward the west, the direction Spirit arrived from. The peaks of "McCool Hill" and "Ramon Hill," both in the "Columbia Hills," can be seen just to the left and behind Inner Basin.
The mosaic is made up of images taken by the rover's panoramic camera over a period of three days (sols 583 to 585, or August 24 to 26, 2005). It spans about 240 degrees in azimuth, and was acquired using 51 different camera pointings and three camera filters (750, 530 and 480 nanometers). Image-to-image seams have been eliminated from the sky portion of the mosaic to better simulate what a person standing on Mars would see. -
The Official High-Res + Wide Angle Image
http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA04184.jp
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From the catalog page
This approximate true-color panorama was taken by NASA's Spirit rover after it successfully trekked to the top of "Husband Hill," in the "Columbia Hills" of Gusev Crater. The "little rover that could" spent the last 14 months climbing the hills in both the forward and reverse directions to reduce wear on its wheels.
This breathtaking view from the summit reveals previously hidden southern terrain called "Inner Basin"(center), where team members hope to direct Spirit in the future. The rover left tracks to the left point toward the west, the direction Spirit arrived from. The peaks of "McCool Hill" and "Ramon Hill," both in the "Columbia Hills," can be seen just to the left and behind Inner Basin.
The mosaic is made up of images taken by the rover's panoramic camera over a period of three days (sols 583 to 585, or August 24 to 26, 2005). It spans about 240 degrees in azimuth, and was acquired using 51 different camera pointings and three camera filters (750, 530 and 480 nanometers). Image-to-image seams have been eliminated from the sky portion of the mosaic to better simulate what a person standing on Mars would see. -
Re:Full 360 picture
There's a 240 degree in colour here.
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Full 360 picture
The picture linked is only a 90 degree field of view. The story mentions "horizon all the way around." The picture at http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/press/spir
i t/20050901b/site_A_AD_ND_cyl_360-A592R1_br.jpg shows the full 360. -
Re:It's not news if it isn't sensationalYou see what I mean? You don't know what you know, and yet you blindly go along with the supposed global climate change experts. Read on...
these cycles are in the range of 10s of thousands of years, not a couple of hundred, irrelevant
The sunspot cycle, roughly every 11 years, read:
http://science.msfc.nasa.gov/ssl/pad/solar/sunspot s.htm# Solar storms these cycles are in the range of 10s of years, not a couple of hundred, irrelevant
Solar storms, a big explosion in space, doesn't last more than a day usually, read:
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2000/ast07jun_1 m.htmabout 1% of atmospheric carbon, irrelevant
I'm talking about surface temperatures. The temperatures in yellowstone are higher than other parts because there is magma veins under the surface. If you thought little was known about the atmospheric systems of the earth, check out how little we know about volcanic activity.
these aren't going to suddenly start dumping warm water at the poles (which would reduce ice-pack density and lower the amount of light and heat reflected back into space).
I'm not talking about ice at the poles. Most of the atmospheric activity, hurricanes and all that is caused by ocean currents, as ocean temperatures rise each year it causes increased hurricane activity. We are at the peak of that cycle right now, so perhaps that could account for any higher temperature readings (combined with other cycles being at their peak, as in the sun spot cycle)
# Atmospheric cycles
such as?Oh I don't know, I'm sure there are dozens of them. Natural CO2 fluxuations is probably the biggest one. This has so much to do with everything else we're talking about right now though, it's real hard to get a big picture of the entire system, that's the point I'm trying to make.
irrelevant because our climate record can be implied over 100,000 years through ice-cores and millions of years implied through sedimentary and fossil record data
Yes, and remarkably that data doesn't represent anything meaningful to the supposed global climate change experts, because the temperature, CO2 concentrations and just about everything else has naturally fluctuated all through history, even to the point of killing off most life on the planet.
# Human error
10s of thousands of scientists are clearly wrong if it means paying more the gas.Oh if you think each of these 10,000 scientists scattered around the globe has done their own research think again. Many of them will point to evidence gathered by one man, Dr. Dobson, that the ozone hole at the south pole didn't exist 50 years ago. Read for yourself and take note of all the instances of data that was not and can never be independently verified by another person.
BINGO - why drive political interests through science when the public can be bought
Someone else pointed out that funding for research into the danger of CFC gasses was made by the same company who owned the Freon patent, toward the end of the patents life. After it was discovered and CFCs were banned across the globe, the same company came up with and patented a replacement HFC gas. I can't verify that though you could probably find out for certain. But my point being that the corrupt political interests exist on both sides of the isle, the left gets a lot of what they want, emissions have been reduced to a fraction of what they were decades ago, but it seems they always want more legislation. I think we have a good balance right now, the free market is working to find alternative sources of energy as we speak. Look for innovations coming in the next 10 years or so.
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Re:It's not news if it isn't sensationalYou see what I mean? You don't know what you know, and yet you blindly go along with the supposed global climate change experts. Read on...
these cycles are in the range of 10s of thousands of years, not a couple of hundred, irrelevant
The sunspot cycle, roughly every 11 years, read:
http://science.msfc.nasa.gov/ssl/pad/solar/sunspot s.htm# Solar storms these cycles are in the range of 10s of years, not a couple of hundred, irrelevant
Solar storms, a big explosion in space, doesn't last more than a day usually, read:
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2000/ast07jun_1 m.htmabout 1% of atmospheric carbon, irrelevant
I'm talking about surface temperatures. The temperatures in yellowstone are higher than other parts because there is magma veins under the surface. If you thought little was known about the atmospheric systems of the earth, check out how little we know about volcanic activity.
these aren't going to suddenly start dumping warm water at the poles (which would reduce ice-pack density and lower the amount of light and heat reflected back into space).
I'm not talking about ice at the poles. Most of the atmospheric activity, hurricanes and all that is caused by ocean currents, as ocean temperatures rise each year it causes increased hurricane activity. We are at the peak of that cycle right now, so perhaps that could account for any higher temperature readings (combined with other cycles being at their peak, as in the sun spot cycle)
# Atmospheric cycles
such as?Oh I don't know, I'm sure there are dozens of them. Natural CO2 fluxuations is probably the biggest one. This has so much to do with everything else we're talking about right now though, it's real hard to get a big picture of the entire system, that's the point I'm trying to make.
irrelevant because our climate record can be implied over 100,000 years through ice-cores and millions of years implied through sedimentary and fossil record data
Yes, and remarkably that data doesn't represent anything meaningful to the supposed global climate change experts, because the temperature, CO2 concentrations and just about everything else has naturally fluctuated all through history, even to the point of killing off most life on the planet.
# Human error
10s of thousands of scientists are clearly wrong if it means paying more the gas.Oh if you think each of these 10,000 scientists scattered around the globe has done their own research think again. Many of them will point to evidence gathered by one man, Dr. Dobson, that the ozone hole at the south pole didn't exist 50 years ago. Read for yourself and take note of all the instances of data that was not and can never be independently verified by another person.
BINGO - why drive political interests through science when the public can be bought
Someone else pointed out that funding for research into the danger of CFC gasses was made by the same company who owned the Freon patent, toward the end of the patents life. After it was discovered and CFCs were banned across the globe, the same company came up with and patented a replacement HFC gas. I can't verify that though you could probably find out for certain. But my point being that the corrupt political interests exist on both sides of the isle, the left gets a lot of what they want, emissions have been reduced to a fraction of what they were decades ago, but it seems they always want more legislation. I think we have a good balance right now, the free market is working to find alternative sources of energy as we speak. Look for innovations coming in the next 10 years or so.
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There Is Nothing Wrong here.Look South October 15t
Sirs:
You dont see an aircraft that is going to hit you until its really, really close. Same with the Ozone.
A tiny break in the data ( 1 yrs vs 30yrs ) everybody gets their panties in a knot and
YELLS WE'RE SAFE. YOUR BEING LIED TO!
See for yourself:
This is the NASA TOMS SATALITE LINK PAGE.
http://toms.gsfc.nasa.gov/
Current Scientific though is NOT BEING PUBLISHED!
http://www.earthisland.org/eijournal/fall98/wn_fal l98silenced.html
"Silenced Science: Arctic Ozone Loss
by Jim Scanlon
Vital information on environmental change is being withheld from the public by the print and broadcast media."
Another post by Jim Scanlon:
Subject: Atmospheric Effects of Aviation Ignored
From: jscanlon@linex.com (Jim Scanlon) ( Refrence JimScanlon @ The Coastal Post )
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In March 1997, the Third Meeting of "Ozone Research Managers" took place.
The managers are responsible for informing the signatories to the
"Montreal Protocol" on substances that deplete the ozone layer. I have included the full executive summary below. It is very gloomy reading.
I wish to call particular attention to one recommendation in the Summary
The interactions between ozone and climate and the impact of aircraft emissions need to receive a high priority in research.
I first read of the interaction of the ozone layer on climate in John Gribbin's book, "The Hole in the Sky:Man's Threat To The Ozone Layer" which was published in May 1988. I am not sure when I read the book, but it was before I traveled to Patagonia in the Spring of 1990 to look around for myself.
For those who may have forgotten, the intense concern for the viability of the ozone layer started in the 1970s. The concern was the impact that oxides of nitrogen emitted by jet engines would have on the ozone layer.
(The health effects of sonic booms were also important considerations)
Nothing was known about the effects of CFCs etc., or heterogeneous reactions on ice or acid aerosols or soot or metals or of the Antarctic
Ozone Hole. It was all the effect of aircraft emissions and gas phase reactions.
When the US aircraft industry abandoned its plans for a fleet of Supersonic Civil Transports because of financial reasons, the issue of aircraft affecting the ozone layer went into deep hibernation, where it remains today.
The most accurate estimate I know of indicates that the thousands of aircraft that fly the North Atlantic Flight Corridor
fly in the stratosphere 44% of the time (JGR Vol 28 D12 12/20/93).
Other estimates I have heard are that civil aircraft fly in the stratosphere from 17%, to 25% of the time.
This flight time will increase as the fleet grows (perhaps 200% by 2020) and newer generations of sub sonic jets, being introduced right now, which fly higher, longer, enter service.
Through inattention, a global industry has been allowed, without debate, to routinely enter the stratosphere, where the affects of its activities may prove dangerous or disastrous to life on earth.
Jet aircraft are not to Boeing and Airbus what CFCs were to Du Pont. Jet aircraft are not to all global societies what CFCs are. It seems evident that the optimism so universally expressed in the success of the Montreal Protocol has been misplaced!
There is a painful difference between "good" as "not good enough"!
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Re:unacceptable!I'm assuming you mean artifical sattellites.
I believe that was Newton, actually. He postulated that if you fired a cannon from a "very tall mountain" with a great enough velocity, then ignoring the resistance of air, and if it was fast enough, then the curvature of the earth would fall away from the cannonball at the same rate at which it fell to the earth.
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satellite pics, before and afterbefore, on the 27th
and
Note that these are false color images: clouds are white and light blue, land is green, water is darker blue or blue-grey.
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satellite pics, before and afterbefore, on the 27th
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Note that these are false color images: clouds are white and light blue, land is green, water is darker blue or blue-grey.
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Sarcasm...
No! Ain't No global warming! Ain't No greenhouse gases! Ain't No CFCs!
Here is the proof!
1- arctic permafrost is melting and methane is escaping into the atmosphere at historic levels
2- petrofuel consumption is at record levels pumping CO2 into the atmosphere (gas prices also at record levels)
3- slash-and-burn for agriculture continues in all major rain forests (and trees take carbon and make oxygen)
4- fish and bird migratory patterns have changed due to temperature increases
5- hotest summers ever accross north america
6- antarctic iceflows are decreasing in size
7- wilder and more frequent storms accross the world
8- CFC use in the third world has increased since 1970 (so CFC production has increased)
The scientists haven't got a clue! And all that crap data at nasa is lies lies lies!