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The View from the Top of Husband Hill

chriscrick writes "After 14 months of climbing, the Mars rover Spirit has reached the summit of Husband Hill, 269 feet above the edge of the Martian plain. The panoramic view from the top is spectacular. According to lead scientist Steve Squyres, 'What field geologists typically do - and Spirit is a robotic field geologist - is you climb to the top of the nearest hill and take a look around so you get the lay of the land and figure out where you want to go.'"

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  1. Everything you ever wanted to know about Spirit... by PsychicX · · Score: 5, Informative
  2. interseting by schnits0r · · Score: 4, Funny

    Mars rover Spirit climbs on top of husband....husband rolls over a minute later and lights a cigarette.

  3. Beautiful Imagery by Nerd+Systems · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The imagery that is coming back from the Mar's missions has been truly amazing. Very detailed pictures documenting this foreign landscape. I noticed this took 14 months to climb to the top of this summit. What is the average speed these martian rovers are crawling at?

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    1. Re:Beautiful Imagery by srw · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well, the odometer on Spirit is 3.0 miles and Opportunity is 3.56 miles, so, about 0.21 miles/month or 0.000287480473 mph on average.

      Or is that not what you meant. ;-)

    2. Re:Beautiful Imagery by Nerd+Systems · · Score: 1

      Wow, that is really slow... Are they running this slow... to conserve batteries? Or are they just not designed to move at any rate of speed?

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    3. Re:Beautiful Imagery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      HA! Do you think I was born yesterday? Everyone knows that NASA has been driving the damn thing backwards to keep the mileage down.

    4. Re:Beautiful Imagery by Geoffreyerffoeg · · Score: 4, Funny

      the Mar's missions

      I'm too shocked to make a proper grammar Nazi rant here.

    5. Re:Beautiful Imagery by srw · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well, my reply was a bit of a joke. The _average_ speed is kept down by the fact that the rovers stop to take pictures, grind rocks, sleep, etc. The actual top speed while moving is 50mm/s or about 1/10 mph, still not a speed demon.

    6. Re:Beautiful Imagery by Nerd+Systems · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah, better to go slow, and assess the stability of where they are located, then go fast and face the possibility of tipping the rover over. "I've fallen and can't get up" takes on a whole new meaning from Mars. Very vivid pictures nonetheless, I wonder what megapixel rating the digital cameras inside these rovers are rated at. I assume very high, considering the extreme cost of each rover.

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    7. Re:Beautiful Imagery by Nerd+Systems · · Score: 1

      Are we still in school? I think not... :)

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    8. Re:Beautiful Imagery by Aranth+Brainfire · · Score: 1

      Yes, we obviously all flunked out years ago. That English requirement is certainly keeping enrollment under acceptable limits.

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    9. Re:Beautiful Imagery by Stephen+Samuel · · Score: 2, Interesting
      That's about as much energy as they can get in a day's sunlight, so there's no reason to make the engines really fast. The rest of the energy is used for things like running the instruments, transmitter, block heater, etc. Efficiency (in terms of both weight and energy use) and durability are far more important than having a hot-rod on mars.

      BTW: Units gives me about 0.000224MPH. I'm using a start time of Jan 3/2004 (Yeah, and that's average time (including coffee breaks) not top speed.

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    10. Re:Beautiful Imagery by Nerd+Systems · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry my grammar skills are so horrible. Please visit my website, and make sure I didn't mess up anymore... http://www.nerdsystems.com/ I probably have tons of grammar mistakes... feel free to point those out to me as well. Thanks! Grammar Nazi I am forever indebted to you!

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    11. Re:Beautiful Imagery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IIRC, all of the imagers are only 1024x1024.
      You'll notice that the high res images are a mosaic.

    12. Re:Beautiful Imagery by tehdaemon · · Score: 1

      GOOD! ;-)

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    13. Re:Beautiful Imagery by srw · · Score: 2, Interesting

      They are 1MP. A good lens is more important than the number of pixels. This article discusses the issue.

      BTW, the CCDs are Canadian. :-)

    14. Re:Beautiful Imagery by Gogo+Dodo · · Score: 4, Informative
      The rover has sensors that detect the tilt of the rover and will halt movement before it tips over. There's a whole section on NASA's website about navigation and the like.

      The Pancam, the highest resolution cameras, have 1024x2048 pixel CCDs.

    15. Re:Beautiful Imagery by Kafka_Canada · · Score: 1

      Erm, well, it's not exactly grammar-related, but your gray-on-gray scheme is a bit hard to read...

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    16. Re:Beautiful Imagery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aw, Jesus, this again. Folks, they stitch multiple images together to produce those detailed images. You do need good lenses, but good lenses won't magically make a 1 megapixel image into a 16 megapixel image. And unless you're talking about video, 1 megapixel resolution sucks.

    17. Re:Beautiful Imagery by Nerd+Systems · · Score: 1

      Well, it is just something I am playing around with, not like it actually brings in any business right now... but it could in the future... I'm more then happy to take suggestions on best color scheme for my site... Any mambo templates you suggest? I am all ears! :)

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    18. Re:Beautiful Imagery by Brian4120 · · Score: 1

      One flip and DOH! another several million dollars down the drain. i found it interesting when the deep impact mission (also known as: Lets blow up something in space mission) actually worked. for one of the rare times in NASA history, they WANTED to crash something. that would have been funny if they missed.

    19. Re:Beautiful Imagery by drsquare · · Score: 1

      It's OK it's downhill so it can just roll.

    20. Re:Beautiful Imagery by jo42 · · Score: 1
      > BTW, the CCDs are Canadian. :-)

      With "Made in China" stamped on the back of 'em, eh?

    21. Re:Beautiful Imagery by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      To be fair, the rovers can potentially go something like 2 mph when moving full-out. It is just that they often stop to analyze stuff, take spectrometer readings (which can take days now that the spects are weakened from wear), charge their batteries, rest to avoid overheating during summer noon, upload data, and await earth instructions.

      If they wanted faster turn-around they would probably need more bandwidth and more frequent communications packets, coupled with either more risk taking and/or a more expensive rover with bigger panels or plutonium cells.

  4. Full 360 picture by srw · · Score: 5, Informative

    The picture linked is only a 90 degree field of view. The story mentions "horizon all the way around." The picture at http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/press/spiri t/20050901b/site_A_AD_ND_cyl_360-A592R1_br.jpg shows the full 360.

    1. Re:Full 360 picture by Alystair · · Score: 1

      Is there a full color picture available like the one shown in the story? It's fantastic and actually quite refreshing in comparison to the low quality photage they usually provide us civilians with :)

    2. Re:Full 360 picture by srw · · Score: 3, Informative

      There's a 240 degree in colour here.

      I don't see a colour 360.

    3. Re:Full 360 picture by deglr6328 · · Score: 5, Informative

      A non-thumbnail size version of this panorama where the jaw droppingly spectacular dust devil on the left can be seen very clearly.

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    4. Re:Full 360 picture by SpaceLifeForm · · Score: 4, Funny
      Jaw dropping? Check out the footprints on the very left.

      Rumour has it the FEMA director was last spotted there.

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    5. Re:Full 360 picture by Kafka_Canada · · Score: 1

      Are those footsteps..?

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    6. Re:Full 360 picture by Anti_Climax · · Score: 1

      I count 4 clearly visible dust devils.

      I wonder how common they are in that area...

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    7. Re:Full 360 picture by deglr6328 · · Score: 1

      Uhmm....., very, VERY?

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    8. Re:Full 360 picture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      THERE..ARE..5..DUST..DEVILS!!

    9. Re:Full 360 picture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Posting a reply to myself anon to avoid karma whoring

      With the differences in light levels between the stitched photos, I wonder how long it took for the full view to be captured. Could we be seeing the same dust devil more than once?

    10. Re:Full 360 picture by ColaMan · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Be aware that some mars photos of those devils might be one and the same. It might be just one that keeps popping up in frame as it's moving quicker than the camera taking the set of photos. For example, it looks like the shadow of the big devil on the left hand side is repeated a little bit in the next image - I guess you could get an idea of how fast they are moving from that.

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    11. Re:Full 360 picture by GlasWolf · · Score: 1

      I'm half expecting a thin guy wearing a suit and carrying a briefcase to walk on, look at the camera, straighten his tie and walk off.

    12. Re:Full 360 picture by darklordyoda · · Score: 1

      Don't forget Hiroko.

    13. Re:Full 360 picture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would the FEMA director go all the way to Albuquerque?

    14. Re:Full 360 picture by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Giant footprint? That's not a footprint, that is just the shadow of a weather balloon.

    15. Re:Full 360 picture by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Oh yeah? I copied and pasted it 3 times and now have a 1080-degree panarama. Top that!

    16. Re:Full 360 picture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just the tire tracks.

  5. awesome view by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    what a great view, but what can we learn from it
    fp

    1. Re:awesome view by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      That the surface of Mars is, like, red.

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    2. Re:awesome view by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well in the 360 black and white view i see a gang of dustdevils.. could they all form a tornado somehow? that would be nice..

  6. Parking lots and a water tower by twelveinchbrain · · Score: 4, Funny

    Surely those must be signs of life on Mars, no?

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    1. Re:Parking lots and a water tower by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      well we have seen them on earth and there's no intelligent life here.

    2. Re:Parking lots and a water tower by oogoliegoogolie · · Score: 1

      Where do you see this? I must be looking at the altered image.

  7. Quoth the article: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    "What field geologists typically do - and Spirit is a robotic field geologist - is you climb to the top of the nearest hill and take a look around so you get the lay of the land and figure out where you want to go."

    "I want to go to Mars."

  8. The shadows are pointing in difference directions! by TummyX · · Score: 4, Funny

    This is clearly a fabrication by the bush adminstration to divert attention from new orleans and iraq

    /michaelmoore

  9. Well if nothing else by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

    those panoramic views make great wallpaper for my multi-headed workstation.

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    1. Re:Well if nothing else by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ScrewMaster, Panoramic dual-headed wallpaper is not a laughing matter. I do NOT play with toys.

  10. What the??? by zenneth · · Score: 0

    14 months and still no sign of a Starbucks? Are they losing their market or what?

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    1. Re:What the??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      14 months and still no sign of a Starbucks? Are they losing their market or what?

      But the three McDonalds it passed is a good sign. Now if they can find a Fries Electronics we can prove there's intellegent life. The three McDonalds has left that in question.

    2. Re:What the??? by Titus+B.+Otch · · Score: 1
      Now if they can find a Fries Electronics[...]

      Fries Electronics? Indeed! I've heard of "burning in a system", but this smoking hot DFI motherboard is more than I reckoned for...

  11. Mod parent down by Penguinoflight · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Inappropriate babble for a serious issue. Who's caring about those of us paying $3/gallon for gas in Florida? If you want help dont try to start a race war...

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    1. Re:Mod parent down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Penguinoflight doesn't care about black people
      Penguinoflight doesn't care about black people
      Penguinoflight doesn't care about black people

    2. Re:Mod parent down by ValiantSoul · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      The cheapest today in my area of Ohio was $3.30 for the cheap 87 grade gas - which won't run in my car. I have to put in at least 91 grade, anything lower and the car doesn't run properly (even at 89 grade it sucks)

    3. Re:Mod parent down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what the hell are you on about? you are friends with black people who aren't oreos, and some guy (I guess black, or an oreo?) had 5 kids and a Chevy Cavalier, so there's something wrong with him? Do you need some form of medication?

    4. Re:Mod parent down by stupidfoo · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Gas up here in Minnesota jumped up $0.20 and was back down $0.20 within 24 hours.

    5. Re:Mod parent down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Canada it is at CND$1.20/l or US$3.75/gal at current exchange rate. Few days ago it was at $0.90/l so it is up about 33%. I guess without NAFTA the price in the US would be even higher..

    6. Re:Mod parent down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We've been above $3 for 3 weeks here in Hawaii, now it's at $3.20 with a gas cap going into effect next week. That should jump it up to $3.40 at least.

    7. Re:Mod parent down by [cx] · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Quit your bitching in some parts of Canada its up over $1.50 per Litre.

      And even with the sloppy exchange rate it's still $1.26 * 4 which is $5.04 per gallon for the equivalent price.

      It sucks.

      $5.04/gallon in Halifax.

    8. Re:Mod parent down by Titus+B.+Otch · · Score: 0, Offtopic
      The cheapest today in my area of Ohio was $3.30 for the cheap 87 grade gas [...]"

      No problem, my friend. I'll bring Opec to it's knees! Just before it was launched, I duct taped a geopenetrometer on the backside of Spirit. I'm using my h4X0r3d RCA TV remote to survey Alien fossil deposits...

      Soon, I'll be rich! Gold! Black Gold, I tell ya! muahahaha... muahahahahaha...
    9. Re:Mod parent down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, that's 78% cheaper than in Poland!

    10. Re:Mod parent down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pah...
      Gasoline jumped up fom 1.27 to 1.42 per liter since wednesday, because of Carolina -- in germany (at least that's the excuse of the oil companies...)

      I'd really like to only pay $3/gallon (or 0.63 per liter) - even when I remove mineral oil taxes ( 0.65) from the amount I have to pay I'm still over your Carolina price (1.42-0.65=0,77...)

      I vote for export taxes on european gas!

    11. Re:Mod parent down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have no sympathy for you. The 'gas' you buy at that price is well under half the cost of that in Europe. Try driving cars which uses less petrol or even diesel...

  12. Why must it look so normal? by Hannah+E.+Davis · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I am always amazed by just how mundane pictures of Mars are. I'm not sure what I expect to see... something different anyway. Something "alien".

    But no matter how many times I look at these pictures (and others before them), part of me is always surprised to see red sand and rocky dunes that remind me of PEI and a dusky orange sky that looks just like that above any major city on a cloudy night.

    1. Re:Why must it look so normal? by THotze · · Score: 1

      The difference between PEI and Mars is that Mars might someday support the life of more than one human.

      But its an interesting point.... they're 'pretty pictures,' but yeah, if these were B&W, a lot of people would had a had time knowing if this was a desert somewhere or another planet.

      Science fiction, I think is to blame; always trying to make the fantastic (another planet with the possibility of LIFE that evolved totally separately from our own?) seem more fantastic (weird, semi-gravity defying spirey things on palnets that are all purple and green). I can remember a story from Arthur C. Clark that he wrote before we had any detailed up-close observations of Mars that centred around Mars not having hills or mountains... in a way, that'd almost be more alien.

      But there is something to be said about the extraordinary (being able to see another planet IS extraordinary) looking ordinary to our eyes.... its proof we live in an amazing time despite all of our times limitations and problems.

      Tim

    2. Re:Why must it look so normal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see REI also! I'm surprised you also think of hiking equipment when you see this rugged terrain.

      Luvin' some of that titanium cooking gear!

    3. Re:Why must it look so normal? by lightyear4 · · Score: 1

      Remove yourself from the context of your comfortable, padded chair and welcoming home. Transport yourself 80 million miles away through an airless void, and arrive upon a celestial artifact, a desert planet late in life. Stunningly beautiful in its own sublime way, isn't it?

      Context is everything. Open your eyes and be amazed at what you might see.

    4. Re:Why must it look so normal? by BewireNomali · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That's amazing. That same photograph just took my breath away.

      It's wishful thinking, perhaps. but looking at the photograph and I imagine a place that once housed life. It might be the birthplace of life in our system and the seed planet for life on earth.

      A dead planet once alive. Conservation of information.... the entire evolutionary record of that planet is in those rocks, that dirt. It's suffocatingly exciting.

      And at once harrowing. It has no magnetic field to speak of. It must have had some form of one due to the clear volcanic/geological activity. What happened to it? When will the same thing happen here? If there was life there, did they just run out of time?

      There are finite strictures on the amount of time ones birth planet remains hospitable to you. And if you don't figure out how to get off, how to survive in space and thrive, maybe you're doomed to die with your planet.

      Some theories abound about why we haven't seen sign of intelligent life. my favorite espouses the notion that civilizations get wiped out by their own technology. What if the stricture is planetary? What if we don't see any intelligent signs because no species could survive the life cycle of their own planets?

      It puts any interest in a next-gen ipod or the new google beta in perspective.

      It's a great photograph. It fills me with that little kid feeling.... the one whe you look up a the sky and it feels like there's something there looking down at you, waiting for you to discover it.

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    5. Re:Why must it look so normal? by Hannah+E.+Davis · · Score: 1

      Oh, I am amazed by it all, and I'm sorry if I implied anything different in my post. I just find it a wee bit unsettling that something "80 million miles away through an airless void" should look so familiar. One of my various life goals (many of which conflict with each other, so I know I won't be able to achieve most) is to work for a space agency. It doesn't really matter which one, I just want to contribute to space exploration in some meaningful way... and hopefully bring back more from Mars than pretty pictures and small amounts of data.

    6. Re:Why must it look so normal? by ErikZ · · Score: 1

      Are these actual color pictures? From what I understand, most of the color pics coming out of NASA are actually B&W with the color added.

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    7. Re:Why must it look so normal? by blincoln · · Score: 5, Informative

      NASA doesn't invent colours from nothing, but that's not necessarily the same as saying that their images represent what you'd see with your eyes if you were on Mars.

      Both Mars rovers have cameras which are sensitive from the near-IR to the UV. The greyscale images are taken by putting a bandpass filter over the lens, and usually they'll take the same shot with 3-7 different filters.

      Three of the filters correspond to roughly the same frequencies that the receptors in your eyes are sensitive to. So they can approximate what it would look like in person by assigning the three images taken using those filters to the R, G, and B channels in a digital image.

      There is a bit more processing involved. Human eyes are more sensitive to green than red or blue, so the additional processing is probably to take that into account.

      But anyway, the short answer is that generally the Mars images are as "true" in terms of colour as what you'd get with a colour digital camera here, setting aside that the three channels are taken at slightly different times.

      There are a few exceptions, in that I believe sometimes they may substitute the nearest infrared band for red. If you have to pick one or the other, near IR is useful because it scatters less in an atmosphere.

      Other NASA images (like from the Hubble) are made the same way, they just assign completely different spectra to the three channels (assuming they're using an RGB model, which isn't a given). For example, maybe they'll assign radio waves to the red channel, IR to green, and X-rays to blue. Again, they're not *inventing* colours, even though it's not what you'd see with your own eyes. It's like pitch-shifting bat squeeks down into the audible range so humans can hear them.

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    8. Re:Why must it look so normal? by bani · · Score: 1

      Here's something to think about. If a civilization did exist on mars tens of millions of years ago (or even a billion), would there likely be anything left today detectable by these rovers?

      Consider the oldest artifacts indicating anything remotely human are only a few tens of thousands of years old.

    9. Re:Why must it look so normal? by jez9999 · · Score: 1

      The difference between PEI and Mars is that Mars might someday support the life of more than one human.

      PEI recent population: 135,294

      *looks puzzled*

    10. Re:Why must it look so normal? by SharpFang · · Score: 1

      Like these rectangular bricks sticking off the crest of the hill, upper-left of the rover's "wing"? Neat 90 degrees :)

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    11. Re:Why must it look so normal? by ockegheim · · Score: 1

      I'm excited about how similar it looks to Earth. It looks like central Australia, but is millions of kilometres away.

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    12. Re:Why must it look so normal? by BewireNomali · · Score: 1

      you're thinking of life in human terms. we can recall life millions of years back on earth. we've gotten pretty good at certain techniques.

      there's a lot of information there just waiting to be unearthed.

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    13. Re:Why must it look so normal? by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      There are a few exceptions, in that I believe sometimes they may substitute the nearest infrared band for red. If you have to pick one or the other, near IR is useful because it scatters less in an atmosphere.

      They seem to do this more often lately, perhaps to trim costs. You can tell if they use infrared (IR) instead because you see red streaks between some of the solar panel tiles. Some of the wiring between the tiles appearently reflects heavier in IR.

      They claim they can come pretty close to the actual color of regular red using IR instead if they make a few adjustments to compensate. However, it tends to make the sky come out a bit greener than it otherwise would, and also the panal streaks, above.

      (They use IR instead of red because it helps gather information from a wider spectral range.)

      The actual sky has been determined to be a butterscotch color: a kind of muddy tan-yellow (ignoring sunrise and sunset). The sky should thus appear slightly more yellow than the soil. If the sky appears more green or grey, then the image probably used IR instead of "human" red or perhaps is only a two-color image.

      The surface colors are generally either ruddy orange-tan or grey. Rocks that stick out are often really grey at the tips (just like most earth rocks). If they appear too greenish or bluish, then it may be due to color enhancement of the image. Then again, a grey object placed against an orange surrounding will indeed look slightly blue-green to the human eyes, as those optical illusion books will often demonstrate.

      In summary, you can generally tell a well-adjusted color image from Mars if:

      * Soil and dust is ruddy orange
      * Tips of roundish rocks are grey
      * Sky is butterscotch-yellow, or slightly more yellow than the soil.

    14. Re:Why must it look so normal? by DCowern · · Score: 1

      PEI recent population: 135,294

      *looks puzzled*

      Note that the parent post said "more than one human... not sheep.

      =P

    15. Re:Why must it look so normal? by bani · · Score: 1

      yes. i was specifically speaking about intelligent civilizations.

      finding fossils inside rocks is somewhat different from archaeology.

      what kind of traces of intelligent civilizations would be left after a hundred million years? after a billion?

      we can recall life _billions_ of years back on earth. recalling _intelligent civilizations_ is much harder.

    16. Re:Why must it look so normal? by BewireNomali · · Score: 1

      what if we find evidence of non-intelligent civilizations? Of relatively complex organisms? Is this not sufficiently surprising and exciting?

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    17. Re:Why must it look so normal? by bani · · Score: 1

      that wasn't the question, nor my point.

      the point was, if a civilization existed billions of years ago, would there be any way of detecting it?

      it's also entirely possible that even if life on mars existed billions of years ago, nothing detectable may be left today.

    18. Re:Why must it look so normal? by BewireNomali · · Score: 1

      Tough to keep up, as you were non-specific.

      Conservation of information means that information is there, what is at question is merely our ability to glean said information.

      So the question at hand isn't whether or not there exists a way of detecting it, but whether or not such means are within our grasp.

      The existence of life in any iteration is sufficiently exciting to me and worthy of further exploration.

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    19. Re:Why must it look so normal? by blincoln · · Score: 1

      You can tell if they use infrared (IR) instead because you see red streaks between some of the solar panel tiles. Some of the wiring between the tiles appearently reflects heavier in IR.

      Interesting. They have that colour swatch thing on the sundial as well, but it's not as easy to use as I thought it would be.

      Something else I noticed is that Mars is apparently much more uniform across wide bands of the spectrum than Earth. I had downloaded a bunch of the rover imagery to experiment with false colour systems. It was disappointing that squishing all of the spectral bands into the human range gave me a picture nearly identical to the RGB alone.

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    20. Re:Why must it look so normal? by bani · · Score: 1

      the laws of entropy means the information may not be in any remotely recongizable form or even distinguishable from background noise.

      i mean really, do you expect eg notes scribbled on parchment to be recognizable after a billion years? it's hard enough gleaning information from artifacts just a few thousand years old. what kind of things would a civilization have to build to survive a billion? seems to me the safest place to store data longterm would be inside a small moon placed in orbit, since geological changes would pretty much erase anything on a large planet on geological timescales.

      the mars rovers may be looking in the wrong place entirely :)

  13. wonderful shot by eggman95 · · Score: 1

    what an awesome picture! does anyone know how long these rovers are supposed to stay operational?

    1. Re:wonderful shot by srw · · Score: 1

      They were supposed to stay operational for 90 days. I guess they're past warranty by now.

    2. Re:wonderful shot by SpaceLifeForm · · Score: 1
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  14. The Official High-Res + Wide Angle Image by kernel_dan · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA04184.jpg
    From the catalog page
    This approximate true-color panorama was taken by NASA's Spirit rover after it successfully trekked to the top of "Husband Hill," in the "Columbia Hills" of Gusev Crater. The "little rover that could" spent the last 14 months climbing the hills in both the forward and reverse directions to reduce wear on its wheels.

    This breathtaking view from the summit reveals previously hidden southern terrain called "Inner Basin"(center), where team members hope to direct Spirit in the future. The rover left tracks to the left point toward the west, the direction Spirit arrived from. The peaks of "McCool Hill" and "Ramon Hill," both in the "Columbia Hills," can be seen just to the left and behind Inner Basin.

    The mosaic is made up of images taken by the rover's panoramic camera over a period of three days (sols 583 to 585, or August 24 to 26, 2005). It spans about 240 degrees in azimuth, and was acquired using 51 different camera pointings and three camera filters (750, 530 and 480 nanometers). Image-to-image seams have been eliminated from the sky portion of the mosaic to better simulate what a person standing on Mars would see.

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    1. Re:The Official High-Res + Wide Angle Image by deglr6328 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Waaaauu! :D Look at those solar panels! Almost no dust at all! What wasn't mentioned in the article is that Spirit's power output is now back up to ~930 Watt hours/day, the same as it was on landing day. The rover is now being shut down every day in the afternoon, no so it doesn't run out of power and die, as was the case around a year ago, but to prevent the electronics box from OVERHEATING!! Wildly successful doesn't even begin to describe the rover missions at this point :)

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    2. Re:The Official High-Res + Wide Angle Image by BewireNomali · · Score: 3, Interesting

      we should mass produce the rovers using the same specs and retrofit with geographically specific tools. We can send up more at a time and have standing teams exploring in real time, as we're doing now, amassing data.

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  15. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 2, Funny

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  16. Summer trip? by xerid · · Score: 3, Funny

    Wow, this looks very close to i picture I took during my cross-country trip a few years ago.

    summer trip image

    .

    1. Re:Summer trip? by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      Heh heh heh. That's good. Really, that's very good. Heh. Heh heh.

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    2. Re:Summer trip? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hi John, you have a great surname, "manko" -- ever wondered what manko means in japanese? vigina/pussy. So your name is in fact "John Pussy", or "John Vigina"! wow!

    3. Re:Summer trip? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny


      Pffft. That's got to be a fake. There's no Circle K in the shot.

      (If you've been to Phoenix, you know what I mean).

    4. Re:Summer trip? by Tidal+Flame · · Score: 1

      It's true, although this idiot managed to spell "vagina" wrong.

    5. Re:Summer trip? by xerid · · Score: 1

      cool, i didn't know that. Maybe it means "John gets a lot of Pussy." Actually, I think it's Polish or something. Not sure though.

    6. Re:Summer trip? by Kong99 · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the laugh!

    7. Re:Summer trip? by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Highway 10 thru Arizona, indeed.

  17. Surface Composition by Nerd+Systems · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I wonder what the surface composition on these hills is? I know it has taken a long time to climb up to the top. Is this because the surface of Mars is slippery and the rover slides down as it tries to come up, or is the surface hard enough for an easy ascent? It looks like from the picture as if it is a mix of sandy type surface and some hard.

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    1. Re:Surface Composition by ScrewMaster · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's taken such a long time because the 440 cubic inch V8 with the four-barrel carb that was supposed to power the rover threw a rod, and the thing has been running on solar panels ever since.

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  18. Poor design.... by BHAX · · Score: 0

    Maybe future robotic missions to Mars will include a loogie ejection system.

  19. Re:Everything you ever wanted to know about Spirit by lostchicken · · Score: 4, Funny

    The Wikipedia! The best karma whoring invention since Google.

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  20. No slashes on Slashdot! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They are (C) Fark. /Should be an FAQ //Good pics though ///Got nuthin.

  21. Re:The shadows are pointing in difference directio by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

    Well. If that's true then it's working. I'm feeling diverted.

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  22. Roving Mars by Steve Squyres by sizzzzlerz · · Score: 4, Informative

    This fascinating book by the one of the creators of the Rovers as well as the principal investigator of the science mission is an absolutely fascinating tale of the tortured process leading to the birth of these explorers. He then documents the first 90 days on Mars with an almost day-by-day description of the events as they occurred. Highly recommended!

    1. Re:Roving Mars by Steve Squyres by Tidal+Flame · · Score: 1

      Day one: Lots of red sand out here.
      Day two: Still more red sand. Some rocks, too.
      Day three: Got stuck for a while, but managed to get unstuck. Still more rocks and sand.
      Day four: Found a really big rock!

      ...and so forth. ;)

  23. Re:Everything you ever wanted to know about Spirit by uberdave · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I don't see circuit diagrams. I don't see source code. I don't see blueprints. That site has almost nothing I want to know about Spirit.

  24. Re:The shadows are pointing in difference directio by Kafka_Canada · · Score: 2, Funny

    WHY HASN'T BUSH DETECTED LIFE ON MARS YET?! IS IT BECAUSE THERE'S NO OIL ON MARS?

    Surely he could've at the least found some carbon-based life...

    [Lameness filter is lame.]

    (Actually, no, I guess it's not. If I hadn't been sarcastic in my post, I guess it would've done a good job of stomping out a lame Bush-is-evil whine.)

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  25. Unfortunately.. by jesser · · Score: 2, Funny

    Spirit let two of her fingers get in front of the lens, ruining an otherwise breathtaking photo.

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  26. Depressing by drgonzo59 · · Score: 1
    But then again, what is the meaning of it all? We are just flying around in a huge universe on this little planet. To each one of us, does it really matter if the Earth will blow up 1000 years from now or millions of years from now? I, you and everyone from today will be dead.

    I get all philosophical at 2 am in the morning I guess... Seeing a picture from Mars makes me think how big the universe is and how short our lifetimes are. Then it all of the sudden seems somehow too trite and silly to worry whether I should buy a green or a blue car or what grocery store to shop at. In the next 100 years, I'll probably be dead and gone, so what is the point of it all...

    1. Re:Depressing by jim_v2000 · · Score: 1

      Ah hah! Now you understand what evolution means.

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  27. Re:Everything you ever wanted to know about Spirit by kiore · · Score: 4, Funny

    To comply with the GPL full source code was shipped with the rovers.

    All you need to do is go up to Spirit and retrieve the CD in the left front hubcap.

    BTW: while you are doing this, NASA would be grateful if you could bring back a few kilograms of assorted mars rock.

  28. Steve Squyres by convolvatron · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    is there anyone else here who remembers this man's
    earlier tenure?

  29. Wow.. by qa'lth · · Score: 1

    I can see my house from up here!

    1. Re:Wow.. by ColaMan · · Score: 1

      So can I :

      You are here

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      There is a lot of hype here.
  30. On Mars it's very hard to find water... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While on Earth you just have to visit New Orleans.

  31. Weird color balance by MrBoombasticfantasti · · Score: 1
    What amazes me is the weird color balance. Yes, I know Mars is supposed to be red, but why is the sand orangy-red while the rocks have a blue-ish tint? Did the sand not come from eroded rocks?

    Load up your favorite image manipulation package (Picasa works well) and pick a nice neutral color. There are several things in the picture that should be white. After doing this, the picture is way, way better. Then up the color temperature (there is still to much blue) and presto, a better picture.

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  32. Exactly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We are so insignificant on a cosmic scale, so what's the point of it all?

    The point is to be happy, to live a life without misery.

    That's the meaning of life!

  33. Re:Everything you didn't want to know about Gandhi by Titus+B.+Otch · · Score: 1
    What will Gandhi say?

    Not much, I suppose. However, the worms finishing off his jawbone might let out a burp or two...

  34. Rendered? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is it just me or does this image look rendered as hell?

  35. martian city by binarybum · · Score: 1

    Well, there is clearly a city in the proximal valley of that picture. However, it looks primarily like empty parking lots.

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  36. Better plan by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    We should send up humans that can travel a lot further than three miles in a year and a half.

    The rovers have done well, no doubt. But lets get some boots on the ground.

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    1. Re:Better plan by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      We should send up humans that can travel a lot further than three miles in a year and a half. The rovers have done well, no doubt. But lets get some boots on the ground.

      I still believe that the "science per dollar" is higher with well-tuned rovers. Even when geologists were sent to the moon, the best finds were more or less accidental. From a science perspective, the cheapest approach is to send dozens of scout rovers, gather up the best finds, and have probes send the samples back to earth (or a stationary moon lab to protect from infection) and then study the lights out of the rocks and soil there. After some early findings, send more rovers to answer new questions. It is hard to do careful science within one year of analysis. Researchers have to ponder it for several years first. Unmanned probes make an incrimental approach more practical.

  37. Seen it. by Descalzo · · Score: 1
    I don't know. It looks a little like eastern Utah or Nevada to me. Probably faked.

    Just kidding, in case you are curious. But it does look an awful lot like Utah or Nevada.
    http://www.numoonus.com/BizTravel/SFOtoLAS/Dry.jpg

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  38. ehhhhh....yawn..... by Hosiah · · Score: 2, Funny

    Wake me when they decend into "Wife Valley"

  39. room for my crackpot theory... by Hosiah · · Score: 0, Flamebait
    I always wondered about this. How could Mars have once have supported life, when it's so far out of the ideal temperate zone, the range where the planet is close enough to the sun to support life, but not so close it burns up?

    How about if it turns out that the planets move outward over time, and new planets split off from the sun? Then eventually, Earth would move out to Mars' position, and Venus would be where we are, with that planet cooling off from it's volcanic uproar and shedding it's heat in time for the water vapor to condense into seas...and so on...

    OK, science buffs, shoot down my theory. Science fiction fans, tell me which story you've read that has that premise. I'm sure somebody's thought of it before...

    1. Re:room for my crackpot theory... by SharpFang · · Score: 1

      Slowing down rotation (having the year longer) shortens your orbit, and that's what happens - friction, magnetism etc cause the planets to slow down and in the end they will all fall into Sun.

      Mars temperature is so low not only because of distance but also due to very thin atmosphere. Proper composition of the atmosphere creating enough glasshouse effect could keep it at Earth's level (and a lot of gas responsible for glasshouse effect - carbon dioxide - is deposited on ice caps of Mars.) And if you add possiblity of former internal, geothermal heat sources, that would bring Mars to quite livable temperatures. Add water (looking for it now), oxygen (temperature+water+CO2+basic lifeforms->oxygen) and you have a planet bustling with life.

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    2. Re:room for my crackpot theory... by cnettel · · Score: 1

      Slowing down the rotation, as in the axis rotation, has very little do with the overall orbit. There is some degree of tidal forces in the Earth-Sun complex, but those are very small compared to the moon. If you mean slowing down the orbit speed, yes, it will get you closer to the sun. The effect is still quite small and any closing effect is very small. I would worry about the sun as a red giant or any large celestial body devastating the Earth itself or its orbit sooner than worrying about orbit decay.

    3. Re:room for my crackpot theory... by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      I always wondered about this. How could Mars have once have supported life, when it's so far out of the ideal temperate zone, the range where the planet is close enough to the sun to support life, but not so close it burns up?

      If Mars once had a thicker atmosphere, it might have been warmer. For example, it may have once had a significant magnetic field, sheilding the atmosphere from radiation that would otherwise ionize it into space.

      Further, some *existing* Earth microbes appear to be able to live in current Mars-like conditions under the soil.

    4. Re:room for my crackpot theory... by SharpFang · · Score: 1

      yes, it's small, but it clearly indicates the direction of changes - the planets aren't going to stretch their orbits any. Sooner Sun's temperature could change, resulting in climate changes.

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    5. Re:room for my crackpot theory... by Xyrus · · Score: 1

      Mars is not outside the temperate zone, it's out of the temperate size.

      Mars is not large enough to hold an atmosphere, which is essential for holding on to heat. During the summer near the equator, temperatures can reach 60 F even with the thin atmosphere. But at night, this plummets to around -120 F because all the heat radiates off into space.

      With an atmospheric composition such as ours (and if it could hold onto it), Mars would be more like a cooler version of the Earth.

      Another source of heat energy we have on Earth comes from our core. Our planet is still active, and as such we get heat energy from our planet as well. All current data shows Mars as being geologically dead.

      So not only can it not retain heat absorbed from the sun, it also has no source of it's own heat.

      A younger Mars may have had a thicker atmosphere and an active core (along with shallow oceans), so life could have developed early on. But over time, the planet lost it's atmosphere, water, and active core. In essence, it died. Though it probably took millions of years to do so.

      It's unlikely planets move out of their orbits by that much without external forces. Read up on planetary motion and gravity.

      Venus is what happens when the greenhouse effect gets really really bad. The planet is covered by a toxic haze of water vapor, carbon monoxide, and various other compounds. Venus could have been another Earth, if it wasn't for it's rotational speed (1 rotation every 288 days). That leaves the planet facing the sun too long. And since it had a decent atmosphere (and the size to hold onto it), what liquid water was there boiled into the atmosphere. Water vapor traps heat, so the planet got warmer, and so on and so forth. The volcanoes didn't help either. Now, it has an atmospheric pressure 90 times that of Earth, and has a global temperature of around 900 F. Due to the atmosphere, there isn't much dynamic range.

      If Venus had a 24 hour day, then there would be a good chance we would have a warmer sister planet Venus. If Mars was larger, we'd have a cooler sister planet Mars.

      But that's not how it worked out. One died, one fried, and one stayed alive.

      ~X~

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  40. Mars? by ignavus · · Score: 1

    It looks just like the outback in Australia.

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  41. You ain't seen nothing yet by Rxke · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you liked this, I suggest you take a look at the incredible
    http://midnightmarsbrowser.blogspot.com/
    This cross-platform donationware gem fully automatically downloads the raw imagery, auto-stitches, false-colorizes,makes slideshows... And best of all: creates "virtual-reality" pannable and zoomable panorama's...

    Everyone into these rovers should really check it out.

    1. Re:You ain't seen nothing yet by Lispy · · Score: 1

      Your post was so much more newsworthy than the original story. Nice app indeed. :)

  42. "Get your ass to Mars" by payndz · · Score: 1
    Okay, done. What now?

    See you at the party, Spirit!

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    You must think in Russian.
  43. Re:Everything you didn't want to know about Gandhi by bheer · · Score: 1

    He was cremated, you insensitive clod!

  44. People AND Rovers - no geologist required by nounderscores · · Score: 1

    Even better plan-

    Humans AND mass produced rovers.

    One guy in a hut with a crate of baked beans drives hundreds of rovers around and sends back daily uploads.

    Problems with the rover wheels? walk out there and fix it. no problem. Rover flips over? walk out there and right it.No problem.

    Guy in he hut is hit by solar flare, meteorite, runs out of oxygen and dies? Ground control takes over the rovers and runs them remotely until they die. No problem.

    I'd volunteer to be the guy if you want. I mean, it's not like that the rover fixer technician job requires you to be a trained geologist or anything.

    1. Re:People AND Rovers - no geologist required by BewireNomali · · Score: 2, Interesting

      See, I think you stumbled on the holy grail of space travel to other planets. We as a species have to accept that the human sent up to ther planets are on a one way trip. Part of the problem is this idea that the humans are coming back. We need to determine how we can keep humans alive for a while (this would include regular food and supplies modules in a continuous string, or maybe peppering the landing site with a ten year supply of essentials, etc). But the problem with sending humans is that society isn't prepared to deal with the idea that we're sending them to a probably early death. When someone drops the fig leaf and is like, "dude, explorers fucking die. It's blood and glory, not an afternoon watching Lifetime," true exploring can get about its business. But I agree with you about sending humans. It'll be a while before our civilization matures enough to allow it. by then, Mars will be owned by the Chinese, and the Russians will be launching DOS attacks from the moon.

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    2. Re:People AND Rovers - no geologist required by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      You may have a point. Other cultures that are less worried about loss of life may pull off some more daring stuff. Overpopulated countries may be less emotional about "never coming back", for example.

  45. Heroine vs. Husband by heroine · · Score: 1

    Would have preferred to see the view from Chawla hill, but that's just how I'd do it.

  46. it doesn't work that way by cahiha · · Score: 1

    You're assuming that because something reflects a lot of red light, it looks red to a human observer. That's wrong; color is not perceived that way.

    Chances are that if you were on Mars at a time when both the sky and the ground filled with red dust and no man-made objects in view, things would look fairly neutral to you, with parts of the scenery even looking greenish or bluish.

    You can think of human eyes having an auto white-balance built in, although it works rather differently from what is being used in digital cameras.

    1. Re:it doesn't work that way by srleffler · · Score: 1
      What you have said is true, but I don't see why you think this is incompatible with anything the gp said.

      This is part of the problem with 'true color' rendering: in some sense 'color' really only exists in the mind of the beholder. There is more to color than just red, green, and blue in the proper proportions.

    2. Re:it doesn't work that way by cahiha · · Score: 1

      What you have said is true, but I don't see why you think this is incompatible with anything the gp said.

      The gp post was technically accurate about how the pictures were constructed. But the general topic was about what Mars would look like, and it would probably look even more "normal" than the NASA pictures suggest.

      A quick color correction in the Gimp (reduce red curve, increase blue curve) yields a landscape with a fairly neutral sky, a slightly reddish sand, and neutral-to-cool rocks--something that looks very much like an earth desert. That's probably what you would see, and that's what a consumer digital camera would yield.

    3. Re:it doesn't work that way by srleffler · · Score: 1

      Why do you presume that NASA has done the color correction wrong? I understand the difficulties with color correction and getting 'true' color, but I don't see why you think your color correction is better than NASA's. I presume they do the best they can to convert their data into an accurate color image. Am I wrong on this?

    4. Re:it doesn't work that way by cahiha · · Score: 1

      What NASA is showing you is the equivalent of taking a picture under incandescent light with a daylight color film (or daylight color balance). That's neither "right" nor "wrong", it's just a choice. It's a sensible choice, but it would simply probably not correspond to what you would actually perceive.

  47. And honest, too by Ray+Alloc · · Score: 0

    This one is not colorized as the other one, which bears a painful likeness to 1950's colorized B&W photograph, and is certainly not at all nearly like the real colors of the martian plain.

  48. Re:Everything you ever wanted to know about Spirit by drsquare · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well it's wikipedia. Very vague, very brief, very shallow, sometimes inaccurate information on lots of subjects. It's the place you to go for a brief overview of something you've never heard of, but don't expect it to give you the same information you'd get in a book.

    That's what encyclopedias are, they're brief summaries. Otherwise they'd be 300m thick.

  49. Oh geee. Scroll down a bit. by saur2004 · · Score: 1

    Anyone else noticed that there are 2 rocks in the forground that are just too nicely square to be natural? Guess the face could be real as well. ;P

  50. After months of attempted communications.... by machinegunhand · · Score: 1

    ...the rover finally responded to Nasa's question with "because it was there."

  51. Desktop by helix_r · · Score: 0


    Woohoo!
    I just found the next background for my desktop.

  52. Where ARE those lost droids?! by Slartibartfast · · Score: 1

    Are those sandpeople?

  53. Re:Everything you ever wanted to know about Spirit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i'd be interested to know if "Husband Hill" is named after Rick Husband, who was the Commander of the last flight of the Columbia shuttle.

  54. Re:Everything you ever wanted to know about Spirit by eggstasy · · Score: 1

    I believe one of the key strengths of something like wikipedia is that, being digital, you dont need to carry it with you, its easily searchable and so it can grow to mind-bogglingly large sizes until it encompasses the totality of human knowledge, allowing you to get both a quick overview or an in-depth treatise. See, for instance, an article on any well-known country. It will have a brief overview of everything with pointers to in-depth articles that focus solely on its history, or solely on its geography, etc.

  55. I can see my house from here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can see my house from here!

  56. I wish NASA would show us the true color of Mars by Teilo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    And if they did, this is more likely what you would have seen:

    http://thinkingspace.org/HillPanoramaRestored.jpg

    Take it for what it's worth, but NASA has repeatedly admitted that they arbitrarily shift the color of the Mars shots to make them look more red. Why? Who knows. Trying not to confuse the public, I suppose, who expects the Red Planet to be not just red, but really really red.

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  57. Martian Joy by poor_boi · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hmm. That picture seems to show that there is an exposed 'joy stick'-like controller on the outside of the rover. I have to take this design decision by NASA into serious question. Didn't anyone over there consider the possibility of martians hijacking the rover and using it for their own evil purposes. The rover should be bristling with guns, not unprotected control mechanisms! I'm agape with astonishment!

    1. Re:Martian Joy by cnettel · · Score: 1

      The proper name for that "joy stick" is Husband's hill. I'll let you figure out why for yourself.

  58. False color, blue skies? by caseih · · Score: 1

    Even the images that say "true color" or "near true color" aren't really that. From what I've read (and it was on the internet so it must be true), mars on the ground doesn't look all that different from an average arizona or nevada desert scene. In some Viking images from the 70's the sky is quite blue with white clouds. Same from pathfinder. Although during a dust storm the sky is definitely reddish, just like it is here (watched a dust storm roll across the Med from the sahara once -- made the sky a sick red color even though I was a thousand miles from the sahara). See, for example, http://mars-news.de/life/ or http://mars-news.de/color/blue.html

    Does anyone have any good gimp filter parameters for making some better color images from the raw nasa ones?

  59. Re:Everything you ever wanted to know about Spirit by stevelinton · · Score: 1

    Yes it is.

  60. Re:Everything you ever wanted to know about Spirit by iamlucky13 · · Score: 1

    It's so freaking blatant, I'm pretty sure the first post was meant to be a joke...then again, he did post as AC.

  61. Am I the only one who... by Particle010 · · Score: 1

    Noticed something unusual with a couple of rocks? Look at the big rock on the middle left, then go right of that to a large cluster of rocks. The top left side of one of those large rocks has what looks to be a hard 90 degree angle cut. I don't even know how big that rock could be either. Might be the size of a patio paver or as big as a boulder. Now I know in the laws of natural probability that it's quite possible for this to happen naturally, but.... isn't that quite eerie since most of the surrounding rocks have relatively round edges?

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  62. Bad contrast in image by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    The color image in the link has poor contrast and is rather dark. Perhaps NASA did that to make it more accurate, but even news reports adjust the contrast of images to make it easier for viewers to see detail.

    I often prefer the tweaked images that some Mars blogs create, because you can see more detail. As long as they have a disclaimer about tweakage, I don't really care. (Some ommit it, spanks.)

  63. Re:The shadows are pointing in difference directio by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    This is clearly a fabrication by the bush adminstration to divert attention from new orleans and iraq

    No, its the other way around. New Orleans and Iraq are to distract us from the giant pyrimids spotted in the distance on Mars. Spirit already grinded into a baby pyrimid

  64. TO: THE IDIOT WHO MODDED THIS FLAMEBAIT by Hosiah · · Score: 1

    You need to get laid more often.

  65. Thank you for everybody who replied... by Hosiah · · Score: 1

    Celestial mechanics lately makes my head fuzzy. Thanks for setting me straight. I think I need to get back into "hard" science reading again and quit reading Terry Pratchett.

  66. Rocks look a little square.. by WiFireWire · · Score: 1

    Great view, think I'm going to rasterbate it and hang it up. But does anyone else think some of the rock protrusions look a little TOO square? I always thought eons of erosion would leave the rocks a little more rounded...oh well

  67. Accidental finds are why you send humans by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    As you say, the best finds were accidental.

    As Humans can roam over a far vaster distance, it makes the probably of many happy accidents far higher than what you can get with even a fleet of rovers. Furthermore, you almost never get "Accidental" finds with rovers since every foot moved is carefully calculated and orchestrated. We did get lucky with the rovers we had but mow much luckier might we have been with humans there?

    Furthermore, consider the cost of the rovers. Say you could get it down to 200 million each (the cost of the second after the first was built). Well even ten of those things is two billion dollars, a point where you start being able to think of sending humans. And again a human could do a lot more than even twenty or thirty rovers, not to mention require FAR fewer people to an and control them. You just can't scale rover control as we have ti today much beyond a few rovers.

    Lastly, humans can have an intuition about where to look that we just cannot get from sitting here on earth letting a committee drive a rover about. One human on Mars could find more interesting things in a week than the entire rover program has put together.

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    1. Re:Accidental finds are why you send humans by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      As Humans can roam over a far vaster distance, it makes the probably of many happy accidents far higher than what you can get with even a fleet of rovers.

      I disagree. The total quantity of samples that can be recovered by unmanned probes is higher per billions spent.

      Furthermore, you almost never get "Accidental" finds with rovers since every foot moved is carefully calculated and orchestrated.

      I don't understand your point here. Being slow and prodding is not necessarily a financial or scientific disadvantage.

      Say you could get it down to 200 million each (the cost of the second after the first was built). Well even ten of those things is two billion dollars, a point where you start being able to think of sending humans.

      Nonsense! A human mission would probably be in the 100 Billion range, at least. (I know a few crackpots claim less, but they are crackpots.)

      And again a human could do a lot more than even twenty or thirty rovers, not to mention require FAR fewer people to an and control them.

      Nonsense! The total people for a manned mission would be huuuuuge. Maybe there would be less for field management on the whole, but just running a manned mission is highly people intensive.

      Lastly, humans can have an intuition about where to look that we just cannot get from sitting here on earth letting a committee drive a rover about.

      I don't know about that. Like I said, the best moon finds were generally accidental, not by geoligist astronauts.

      One human on Mars could find more interesting things in a week than the entire rover program has put together.

      I disagree because probes can cover multiple different sites. We can send them to 20 or 30 sites for the cost of a single-site human landing. I agree that a human can probably better "dissect" a single landing spot than a probe, but multiple sites is still better overall. Plus, we can return after the first sample return analysis for followup. A human-landing spot is pretty much a one-shot-deal, and surface labs won't reveal enough unless we spend even more billions to get bigass labs on Mars.

  68. 5-10 billion by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Well if you think only "crackpots" can put together a human mission to Mars for under 100 billion, then there is no point in further discussion - I know you are wrong, and you know I am wrong, and never the twain shall meet. Your point would be valid if that single point were correct, which frankly I cannot begin to agree with and so I will never agree with any of your conclusions. Sorry.

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    1. Re:5-10 billion by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Space technology has not changed that much since Apollo. Sure, our computers are faster, but that was not a big bottleneck back then. Thus, I don't see how we can do a project far more complex than Apollo but still come under Apollo's budget (adjusted for inflation). Radiation protection, dust removal, long term space living, etc. are huge problems to overcome. Apollo ships were only gone for about a week. If there is a revolutionary (and tested) breakthru, I don't see it.

  69. Re:....it's not news..... by XO · · Score: 1

    oooh... fark was right, the slashdot people really do have a thing against them apparently.

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