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If you do a search using the Netscape option, the URL of the search engine appears as google.netscape.com. So apparently Google has already been installed, not merely announced.

The archived versions of Netscape Communicator are no longer on the Netscape FTP server. When did this happen? Why?

[conspiracy mode="greed"] The latest version of Communicator has AOL Instant Messenger "integrated" and AOL didn't want previous versions floating around. [/conspiracy]

[conspiracy mode="big brother"] The latest version of Communicator have a tracking mechanism ("What's Related") or some other Bad Thing. [/conspiracy]

Or else they just ran out of space.

In any case does anyone know of a FTP site that has 4.51 for Mac. 4.6 has a reputation of hosing computers (this according to my wife, a Mac tech support type).

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That should be ftp://ftp.netscape.com/pub/com municator/english/4.61

I did unleash a little fury on IIS, didn't I. I didn't mean to turn this thread into IIS bashing. I've just had some really bad experiences with IIS. It's way too integrated into the operating system for my taste. (Anytime that you are using the operating system's user database to authentiate web users, something is just plain wrong.) And the fact that the operating system that it is integrated into is NT just makes it worse. It's just not stable, manageable, or scalable enough.

Your claim that IIS is the fastest webserver is pure flamebait. If you would like to point me to a URL, I'd be happy to look at it. But, I'll guarantee that the fastest webserver isn't any webserver running on NT. Apache, Zeus, and Netscape can all crush IIS, simply by the fact that they can run on high-end UNIX machines with a dozen or more processors.

It doesn't really matter anyway though. I doubt that anyone makes their choice of web servers based on performance tests anyway. The difference in performance is small enough that features, managability, and stability are going to be decision points.

For those of you who brought up PHP's effect on the webserver comparisons, I concede that PHP may be significant development. To be honest, I don't know enough of the details about PHP to comment on its strengths and weaknesses. I'm a servlet kind of guy myself, so I haven't checked it out. But it does seem to be a simpler solution than mod_perl. (Not that Perl isn't cool.) At first look, it just looked like another server-side scripting language to me. Which is cool in it's own right since it's open source. But people tell me that it rocks.

By the way, since I didn't explicitly say it before: my opinions are mine, not Netscape's. I don't work on the development team for Enterprise server, and am not a professional webmaster either, so my opinion probably isn't any good anyway.

Go to the netscape archive. All versions back to 2.x for Win, Mac and *nix platforms.
Opera is still not quite ready ( I check every week). Check out their Project Magic page.

This may be good for those that wants to get Linux into NDS networks, but the community should concentrate on creating a open and free directory service for itself built on open and nonproperity standards. Support Linux Dierctory Project and OpenLDAP: A System Administrator's Vie w of LDAP Linux Directory Services The OpenLDAP Project

Rob, how can it not be what you expected? According to this you're on the board of directors for the site? Hadn't heard that.

Anyway, I hope they keep up a good archive of projects being worked on. Thats the thing I miss the most about linux.com -- these days I can never find various projects when I want to. freshmeat.net and the (almost as useful) linuxapps.com are good, but have a lot of fluff in them, and aren't really project-based.

Underwear? Now I have seen it all!

I don't know about you, but I'm wearing Mozilla underwear right now! Unfortunately, it seems to have been discontinued: along with all other Mozilla items! I can't find any of them in the Netscape store. There used to be a ton of things with Mozilla on them: beach towels, hats, there was even a Mozilla beanie baby. But no more.

This is a sad day.

(A few weeks ago I was riding my bicycle in downtown SF, and someone saw my mozilla.org sticker and yelled out, ``Go Mozilla!'' I thought that was pretty cool.)

128 bit version

For those looking for it... For whatever reason, the link above doesn't work correctly; an extra space is inserted between the 'e' and the 'n' in the term "win32-en-complete"

https://wwwus.netscape.com/usdl-bin/pdms_dnstest .cgi?PRODUCT=communicator4.6-win32-en-comp lete-128&COMPONENTS=CLIENT&TEMPLATES=NSCP
Copy the link, paste it into the correct place, delete the extra space, and grab the 128bit copy!

Found this at Ars Technica

Hopefully this doesn't get lost in the thread


-AS

ok, first go to this link then select the options as if you were downloading netscape 4.51

BUT as soon as you click on the "US and Canada Customers: Download for Free" button

change the url to read
"...pdms_dnstest.cgi?PRODUCT=communicator4.6-lin ux2.0-en-..."

instead of "...communicator4.51..."


It seemed to work for me...
I got a file called "communicator-v46-us.x86-linux-unknown-linux2.0.ta r.gz", but haven't installed it yet (UGH! only 6 megs free on /usr !!!)

Netscape Product Archive

We keep *almost* everything available.

I want to die peacefully in my sleep as my grandfather did...

For anyone wondering what's changed in NS 4.6:

http://home.netscap e.com/eng/mozilla/4.6/relnotes/unix-4.6.html

For what it's worth, it does seem to render a little faster, but then I'm an impressionable litte sprite.

OK, I know the Slashbox headlines come from the Netscape defined RDF documents which are on the remote sites web server. But how can you get the URL of the RDF file? Is there a default location that web servers are using? Is there a database of these suckers somewhere?

The short answer is yes; as is often the case, reality is more complicated than the sound-bite. To be as brief as I can without distorting history: Over the years several people at Netscape floated the idea of releasing source code for Navigator/Communicator; some did so in postings to internal newsgroups (like Jamie Zawinski), and some did so in private lobbying to management (like Eric Hahn, formerly Netscape's CTO). Prompted by two such newsgroup postings by Jamie and Eric Krock (now Gecko product manager), in the fall of 1997 I wrote a 30-page internal paper lobbying for release of source by explaining the business value for doing so; I also addressed various objections to releasing source, either showing how they were not really problems or describing how any problems could be handled. I sent that paper to Marc Andreessen, who in turn circulated it to other senior managers at Netscape. This paper was IMO one, but by no means the only, factor in the decision by Netscape management in January 1998 to release source. (For example, it was also important that Netscape decided to make Communicator binaries totally free at the same time; this removed a major objection to freeing the source code.)

Eric Raymond and "The Cathedral and the Bazaar" came into the picture as follows: I was finishing up my paper, and was working on a section addressing the problem of coordinating development between Netscape and the net. (A major objection I thought would arise was how this could work successfully, or even if it would work at all.) I asked Jamie for advice, he gave me some, and then also pointed me to Eric's paper; I thought it addressed this particular problem quite nicely, and included a reference to "C&B" and a page or so summarizing its conclusions. Some of the senior managers (like Eric Hahn) liked "C&B" just as much as I did, in large part because of the implication that Netscape could potentially successfully leverage the work of lots of non-Netscape developers, even to the point of their driving the future direction of the product; Eric and others in turn promoted "C&B" within Netscape.

Once the decision to release source code was made, Netscape management then decided to bring in Eric and other people (Richard Stallman, Bruce Perens, etc.) for advice. However the decision itself was a purely internal decision, in the sense that neither Eric or anyone else outside Netscape (to my knowledge) actually lobbied Netscape management on the source code issue; "outside" input was restricted to that provided by papers like "C&B", the GNU Manifesto, etc., and examples of free software businesses like Cygnus Solutions, Red Hat, and so on. (The Slashdot discussions about Netscape releasing source came in right before the Netscape decision was announced, but I don't know if they were actually a factor or not, because I don't know if the internal decision had actually been made by then.)

Incidentally, my original paper is not on the net, but I did a public paper "Setting Up Shop: The Business of Open Source Software" which incorporates huge chunks of my internal paper. In particular, the sections "Making the Business Case" and "Issues and Tactics" are close to what I wrote originally. However the licensing and business models sections of "Setting Up Shop" are new.

ftp://ftp1 3.netscape.com/pub/communicator/4.51/english/unix/ unsupported/

Funny how it only took me about three seconds to find it...

ftp://ftp1 3.netscape.com/pub/communicator/4.51/english/unix/ unsupported/

Funny how it only took me about three seconds to find it...

Spend the time to read this, and then come back and post thoughtfully.

I want to die peacefully in my sleep as my grandfather did...

Right here

I want to die peacefully in my sleep as my grandfather did...

In addition, Apple will announce Mac OS X Server's price has been dramatically reduced from the $995 price tag announced in January. The new cost, depending on configuration, will be less than $300 to less than $600. Mac OS X (as in the roman numeral for ten) Server was originally scheduled for release in February.

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Some more suggestions:
SGML and XML News
Python News
Most of the Unofficial Netscape channels would be good ideas, too.

Will it be possible to place slashdot on MyNetscape?

It's already possible: http://my.netscape.com /addpreview.tmpl?services=newsfornerds

Another option is to define some simple format for headlines and URLs, and allow people to say "OK /., show me the displays from URL1, URL2, URL3." That way, anyone could create their own list of news items and just publicise the URL for displaying their info.

Particularly, the forms fields would fill with random characters, which meant I couldn't even register for an upgrade when it came time to fill in my info on their web page.

Happily, I saw someone here who mentioned the glibc-compiled version in the unsupported area, managed to get it downloaded.

It works better. No more screwy random characters, and it behaves better.

I don't know if the person who posted this cry of frustration is interested in trying something else out, or if they have already, but if Netscape is all that's standing between you and losing Win98, heck, why don't you try the glibc version out? I was pretty frustrated, too, until I got it.

Incidentally, the version I ended up pulling down came from Netscape ftp site:

ftp://ftp.netscape.com/pub/communicator/4.5/englis h/unix/unsupported/linux20_glibc2/

You'll get your choice of the full Communicator package or the standalone browser. If you go to the next directory up, there are a few more OS choices in the "unsupported" branch of the tree.

As for fonts, Times at 18 points on my 1024x768 S3V-driven display seems to display fine. I know there's a fix for even having to do that, but I haven't gotten around to it yet. Don't really need to.

Anyhow, hope that helps, if help's what you're looking for. If it isn't... well... maybe someone else was.

Toodles.
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Start netscape, type ra2wav in the location field and hit enter:
http://excitesearch.netscape.com/search.gw?lk=exci te_netcenter_us&search=ra2wav ;)

Go to http://www.netscape.com/download/archive/index.htm l Joseph Elwell.

doog wrote:

What do you mean ASP modules exist for Apache? What are they called?

Check out Apache-ASP by Joshua Chamas.


According to Netscapes web site, LiveWire runs on Solaris.. If I can't run SSJS on Linux, then I have to convince the suits to buy solaris AND netscapes server which will cost more than NT.

Netscape's FastTrack server runs server side Javascript on Linux. It costs only $295, which should be easier for your bosses to swallow. Unfortunately, I don't think it handles ASP, you would need to convert those pages into some other form (which is a good thing in the long run).