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Try http://www.crashplan.com/ You can either pay to backup to their servers, otherwise you can backup between different computers running the client. Supports Windows / Mac / Linux / Solaris. If you are paranoid, you can setup a Solaris box with ZFS and run it on that. Also look at http://www.nexenta.org/ for a nice Solaris platform to make a NAS. rad

Could Nexenta be shoehorned into it? In theory the SATA multiplier issue is fixed...

Wake me when these features are available in OpenIndiana and Nexenta Core. I'll not be trapped investing more time in platforms where ``I'm altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it any further.''

Take out Linux or take out GNU -- what you're left with is not an operating system any more. Take out anything else, then what's left still defines an operating system. That's why it's most efficient to call it GNU/Linux, but, of course, you are free to call it whatever you want, as long as you're not being misleading. I don't think anyone has an objection to calling a system KDE/Xorg/GNU/Linux, if you have the stamina to type it then go ahead!

The difference between using two-part names and multi-part names is that every operating system needs to have a basic userland and a kernel, but all the other programs are purely optional. If a system doesn't have GNU, it will have something else in its place. Your home router will probably not be running GNU/Linux, but Busybox/Linux instead. Your phone will be running Android/Linux. The key point is that these are incompatible, different operating systems, and you will likely have problems if you want to run a program with particular system dependencies on all of these. Because this is free software, there are many possibilities of such pairs, such as FreeBSD/kFreeBSD, GNU/kFreeBSD, GNU/kSolaris, etc.

When you say "I run Linux", strictly speaking, you refer to all possible operating systems that run on the Linux kernel. Since you need a userland to make a full operating system, such a description is incomplete. And when someone asks you what system you're running, they're not asking about just the kernel, they want to know the whole thing. So *at minimum* you should say what kernel and userland it has. If you say "I run Linux" to mean "I run GNU with Linux", then, strictly speaking, you are being misleading, because Linux does not necessarily imply GNU, same as GNU does not imply Linux.

So, you see, it's not just about giving credit, it's also because Linux is not an operating system, and it's because us geeks want to communicate precisely.

GNU/kFreeBSD was supposed to be released with Squeeze. Nexenta is nice, but the package repository is severely limited.

ZFS, Jails, OpenBSD packet filtering. Oh My!

Even DebianMultimedia project already has kFreeBSD repositories available.

"You certainly can't get a supported solution for something like that from anyone but Sun/Oracle."

I believe the likes of http://www.nexenta.org/ and http://www.getgreenbytes.com/ would like to differ.

First apt based distro with ZFS?

Nexenta has had support for both apt+zfs and full zfs root before FreeBSD. I wonder what FreeBSD's equivalent of apt-clone is.

Nexenta

I just started using Nexenta -- it's a Debian userland on top of an OpenSolaris kernel.
So far, it works very well -- the advantages of Debian's packaging system with advantages of OpenSolaris (e.g. ZFS)

It's a good stepping stone for those used to linux (you just have to relearn some system command usage, system config, service management, etc)

http://www.nexenta.org

Anyone who likes Linux and wants to try OpenSolaris should give Nexenta a look. It's basically Ubuntu using the OpenSolaris kernel instead of Linux (so GNU/Solaris?). All the fun of Solaris, all the ease of apt. I can't find builds for anything except x86 though.

Did you mean apt-clone?

Have you looked into Nexenta. Solaris Kernel with a userland more familiar to Linux users. I've heard people refer to it as the Ubuntu of Solaris.

OpenSolaris Nevada (the distro from Sun) led by Ian Murdock (the Ian in Debian), is supposed to be more gnu-y too.

In theory (license permitting) the same thing could be done with Sol 10.

It already has.

Linux seriously needs to find a workaround to its licensing squabbles and find a way to get a rock-solid ZFS in the kernel. Right now, ZFS on OpenSolaris is simply wonderful, and this is what I am deploying for file service at all my customer sites now. The scary thing about file system corruption is that it is often silent, and can go on for a long time, until your system crashes, and you find that all of your backups are also crap. I've replaced a couple of linux servers (and more than a couple of Windows servers) after filesystem and disk corruption compounded by naive RAID implementations (RAID[1-5] without end-to-end checksumming can make your data *less* safe), and my customers couldn't be happier. Having hourly snapshots and a fast in-kernel CIFS server fully integrated with ZFS ACLS (and with support for NTFS-style mixed case naming) is jut icing on the cake. Now if only I could have an Opensolaris desktop with all the nice linux userland apps available. Oh wait, I can!

If I had to build a NAS/SAN on the cheap for work it would be something based off of OpenSolaris/ZFS. The amount of features you'll get out of ZFS/Opensolaris for free can't be beat. Really worth a look. A few products that I would say to look at are: http://www.pogolinux.com/nexenta.php http://www.nexenta.com/corp/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=148 http://www.nexenta.org/os and of course: http://www.opensolaris.com/

Nexenta homepage: http://www.nexenta.org/
Planet Nexenta: http://blogs.nexenta.org/
IRC: #nexenta@freenode

Nexenta homepage: http://www.nexenta.org/
Planet Nexenta: http://blogs.nexenta.org/
IRC: #nexenta@freenode

Nexenta homepage: http://www.nexenta.org/
Planet Nexenta: http://blogs.nexenta.org/
IRC: #nexenta@freenode

If you like Solaris but prefer GNU utilities for userspace, you seem to be asking for Nexenta.

Nexenta Core is the open-source, self-supported distro from nexenta.org, but on nexenta.com there are proprietary products based on that Core, as Nexenta is a business.

I've not tried it myself, but it does sound interesting as a base for Internet appliances, especially if your application can make good use of DTrace and ZFS.

Filesystem was so big issue in my work that we bite the bulled and tried first Open Solaris and then switched into Nexenta http://www.nexenta.org/ Nexenta is OpenSolaris kernel GNU/Debian/Ubutntu userland. What this gets to you is ZFS and RAID-Z and RAID-Z2. When you get used to the fact that your filesystems has end to end quarantee of data integrity by hashing (even cryptographic hashing if you want, you feel uncomfortable with any other filesystem. In home I still run Linux on my laptop, but I made my own NAS that ruons with Nexenta.

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-- Dyslexics have more fnu.

By Dog, they do!

Filesystem was so big issue in my work that we bite the bulled and tried first Open Solaris and then switched into Nexenta http://www.nexenta.org/ Nexenta is OpenSolaris kernel GNU/Debian/Ubutntu userland. What this gets to you is ZFS and RAID-Z and RAID-Z2. When you get used to the fact that your filesystems has end to end quarantee of data integrity by hashing (even cryptographic hashing if you want, you feel uncomfortable with any other filesystem. In home I still run Linux on my laptop, but I made my own NAS that ruons with Nexenta.

No this is Debian.

How is OpenSolaris connected to this Indiana thingy and what is the difference between Indiana and Nexenta?

My take is that Nexenta is compiling the GNU software tools and providing them in their repositories. Is Indiana doing this as well or are they just trying to mimic the package management system itself but providing no GNU software?

Anyone know?

I personally have used the final release of Nexenta CP, which is the OpenSolaris kernel and mostly GNU userland. Works pretty well.

How are the GNU distros built on the opensolaris kernel though? I'm thinking of Nexenta specifically. Seems like it would be the best of both worlds if done right. World class UNIX kernel + world class userland utils. But then if it's just thrown together, it could suck too.

NexentaOS may be your friend, it is basically an OpenSolaris kernel with Ubuntu userland, even though the Ubuntu part is a bit outdated (Dapper-based) at the moment (1.0 RC2).

FreeBSD 7.0 is also soon to be released (at 7.0 RC1 now) and it includes all the latest software.

AFAIK both should run fine on Intel-based Macs.

I agree that Sun is the only truly relevant/credible Unix company left.

Also, I found that Nexenta GNU/OpenSolaris was an easy way to quickly get my hands on to a recent OpenSolaris build without too much commitment (LiveCD). I'd recommend it to anyone who is curious about OpenSolaris but unwilling or unable to install it on their machine. Once it is out of alpha, I will almost certainly replace my FreeBSD box with Nexenta.