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They're pretty cool devices, they run the Symbian OS (Think Psion), have really decent organiser functions, a web browser, a mail client, a WAP browser, and even a Java virtual machine!

You can even download a telnet application for it. IRC on the train? Sweet.

Both Nokia 9110 and 9210 have a keyboard, a few PDA features, and of course, cellphones.

They're pretty expensive, and probably not as powerful as regular PDAs, but they may fit your needs.

For more info, check the nokia website:
9910
9210

The 7650 is pretty interresting too, but has no keyboard.

-J

Both Nokia 9110 and 9210 have a keyboard, a few PDA features, and of course, cellphones.

They're pretty expensive, and probably not as powerful as regular PDAs, but they may fit your needs.

For more info, check the nokia website:
9910
9210

The 7650 is pretty interresting too, but has no keyboard.

-J

Both Nokia 9110 and 9210 have a keyboard, a few PDA features, and of course, cellphones.

They're pretty expensive, and probably not as powerful as regular PDAs, but they may fit your needs.

For more info, check the nokia website:
9910
9210

The 7650 is pretty interresting too, but has no keyboard.

-J

What, sort of like this phone? Actually the 8890 was pretty cool i thought.

• Bluetooth
• WAP
• HSCSD (up to about 40k bandwidth)
• Java
• Snake!

And of course, no mention of how much it'll cost or when it'll really become available ...

• Bluetooth
• WAP
• HSCSD (up to about 40k bandwidth)
• Java
• Snake!

And of course, no mention of how much it'll cost or when it'll really become available ...

Its a few months since I saw The Matrix last time but Im pretty sure it wasnt a 7110 phone but a modified 8110. Modified because it had a spring that opened it up - but otherwise an 8110. Sorry for pointing out small errors :)

Umm... No, The Matrix phone is the 7100 series... (Who modded you up?) See http://www.nokiausa.com/beauty/1,2498,68,FF.html Blech to both phones... I'm happy with my stylish, but pricey 8890... It works in the US *AND* Europe...

This might not have been what people have expected, though.. And it misses some other expected features too.

Probably quite official also. :-)

That's the dorkiest looking phone I have ever seen. Try the 9210 for a phone with a full keyboard. At least you don't look like you are talking into a Sega Game Gear when using it as a phone.

Can anybody tell me what ICQ will provide that a GSM hasn't already ? SMS should ne enough for the majority, and Nokia has already a chat system, as on the 3310 model.
I don't see the point of having ICQ on it. ( to draw nice lines and curves ?? :))
I have to admit I haven't tried theit chat service ( which depends of the provider I suppose ), but I don't see why they need ICQ, if it's not for a marketing reason.

(Bias: I work for Symbian)

Nokia 7650 Home Page (with specs, etc.)

Symbian Press Release

One of the nice things about the GSM network is that the phone is separated from the account. Thus it doesn't matter if the phone is sold here as long as it works here. You could just order it from overseas and assimilate it with your SIM chip. The Nokia 7650 phone seems to be tightly packed with just about everything else, too bad they missed 1900MHz support. That foils everything.

Btw, I have a theory about the existence of the Nokia 8890. Nokia realized their non-USA customers probably wanted to travel to the USA, not that they wanted to deliver the USA a cool phone. That's probably the only reason we have it.

Anxiously awaiting the 9290.

Nokia's 9290 phone/PDA thing is soooo cool. I got to look at it at E3 earlier this year, but only at Comdex did I see it doing some actual operation. They had one playing a realvideo stream, and some others running games. This one lady had a digicam watch and she took a picture of me, then pointed the watch at the 9290 and beamed my image across. Then she displayed it on the screen and proceeded to say how she could now email it off if she wanted. Freaky!

The next cool device was the new Sharp SL-5000D PDA, running Qt/Palmtop. I saw it at Trolltech's booth. It has this fold-out keyboard thing, which is surprisingly usable. If it has a built in GSM modem, it would be a serious contender to the Nokia 9290. For me, the only reason I would choose the Sharp would be ease of programming. Instead of having to learn EPOC programming (for the Nokia) I could just use Qt.

Speaking of "just use Qt", Trolltech even had an iBook at the booth running Qt/Mac on it. Call me crazy, but I began to hack on the laptop right there for about 20 or 30 minutes. I was able to create a couple useless testing programs. Worked as advertised! Even the pulsating default buttons. This was only the second time I've laid hands on a machine running MacOS X, and I was already able to program applications for it. Hmm, maybe it will be a tough call between the Nokia and Sharp.

A few other minor things caught my eye, but these were the big ones. Overall, it wasn't as interesting as this year's E3 (which wasn't very interesting either actually). Funny thing: ATI was showing off GameCubes (I guess they make the video chipset?), and Microsoft and Sony had XBox and PS2 there as well. Perhaps they wanted it to be E3 :)

their counterproductive bitching and switch their focus by moving to a different networking scheme.

In the UK text messaging (SMS) is huge. Almost everyone over the age of 12 now has a phone, and teens are famous here for communicating mostly by SMS.

My partner (29) and her best friend, (30something) hardly ever their phones to make voice calls. I see people using text phones like Motorola V100 and Nokia 5510 all the time now.
The instant messaging analogy is correct - people don't want to talk to other people all the time - why do you think that Post-It Notes became so popular?

Manufacturing plants have always had searches like this.
True dat.
I worked as temporary manufacturing help for A large mobile phone company. We had to enter and leave through metal detectors, and any bags or boxes you carried were searched as you left. And since the plant was in a free trade zone, there were warnings posted all over that any crime committed on the premises was a federal offense.We had the "right" to refuse to be searched, but if we did, they had the right to tell us not to come back the next day. It was a hassle, but it maked sense to search poeple there, you could carry out the pieces of a phone with a lot less trouble than Johnny Cash had trying to sneak a Caddy out one piece at a time.

Danger's new Hiptop might sorta be what you want. They don't give axact specs on the camera. It's a pretty dope little toy though - "real" web browser, IM, email w/ attachments, phone, PDA, and camera, and its wirelessly networked. It's still not clear when you'll be able to buy one, but if they're smart, they're going to get it out in time to compete with Treo and Nokia's new phone/pda/mp3 player thingy.

Why does it need to be a full sized keyboard. You can type pretty fast on these with just your thumbs after a little while.

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Been out for a while, quite popular. Yes, it will appear in the US too, called Nokia 9290.

The R380 is btw released as 380e, an updated (much faster) version with USB as well now.

(and of these, the 9210 will appear in the us as 9290)

Links:

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The Treo is the innovative product the Palm community has been expecting from Handsping, and I believe it will be a huge success. Here, in no particular order, is why:
1) Size. Have there been other smartphones? Yes. Like this? No. This is neither a clunky phone-grafted-onto-an-organizer nor a strange organizer-grafted-onto-a-phone. This is a truly integrated product. It is small enough that I will finally be able to ditch my Palm/OmniSky and Nokia for one pocketable device.
2) Keyboard. Even though I've used Graffiti for several years, I have to admit that it is still a pain. Some may disagree, but the fact is that the vast majority of users will be able to enter text faster and more accurately with a QWERTY keyboard--even a thumb keyboard. If you think such keyboards are too small, just look at the success of the RIM Blackberry to see how much people love them.
3) Software. Handspring has done a great job integrating the Palm OS with the phone. They didn't just include a "Dial" app, they've included Blazer (their wonderful browser), Messaging (SMS), Phone Book (a Palm Address Book upgrade that has dialing capabilities), a POP3 client, etc. Out of the box, this will be a true Internet phone.
4) GSM. My fellow Americans may question this (since GSM has relatively limited coverage in the U.S.), but GSM was the right choice for Handspring. When GPRS rolls out (in the U.S. Voicestream has already started), you will be able to upgrade your Treo to support an "always on" wireless connection. Always on is much better than dial-up, even Sprint's "Quick Network Connect" dial-up (which basically just means that Sprint PCS is your ISP). Other, more popular U.S. mobile standards (CDMA, TDMA) are not moving to always on as quickly as GSM (although I've heard reports AT&T is upgrading to GPRS), and a true smart phone needs an always on connection. The other (obvious) advantage of GSM is that Handspring can sell the Treo in Europe and Asia.
Anyway, I will certainly buy a Treo when it comes out, and I think many others will too. The real question is how the Treo will stack up to competitors like the Danger Hiptop.

You can get hi-res photos here,
Or you can download a zipped tiff here.

FAQ

Can I play downloaded MP3 files on the Nokia 5510?

Yes, the Nokia 5510 can play MP3 files in protected format. Copies of the downloaded music files are added to the Nokia Audio Manager database. Nokia Audio Manager encrypts the music files and downloads the protected MP3 format to the memory of the Nokia 5510.

Anyone noticed that there is NO carkit available what so ever? See the Accessories - Vehicle accessories page at the site.
Only a "Mobile charger". It is nothing more than a 12V car lighter plug!

You mean switch from GSM at 1900MHz to GSM at 1800 MHz? You can blame the FCC (or whatever organization is on 1800 MHz) before you blame false American technical ineptness.

The reason it's not available immediately (at least for the operable networks) is that I surmise network operators have to thoroughly evaluate the phone, decide whether they want to support it, then support it. Nokia doesn't sell directly to the public so their entire salesbase is happy providers.

Justsoyaknow ... supporting a phone usually means training a vast number of mindless customer service representatives. I would also figure that providers might not like the idea of supporting such an 'advanced' phone--AT&T has a hard enough problem debugging my PocketNet service, let's see them handle a call from Joe AOL trying to use this thing. The sneak-preview is to drum up sales and give providers prep time.

But I'm still waiting for my AT&T-GSM powered Nokia 9290 Communicator. *drool* This thing's been available since like '99, but Nokia doesn't give a rat's ass about the US market outside of AT&T's desires.

According to the FAQ, the phone is crippled - only stores crippled AAC files...

Since when does encrypted automatically mean the fortmat is crippled? Nowhere in the FAQ do I see the word "crippled." DVD's are not crippled, the encryption on the disk does not affect the quality of the picture or the sound. DVD's are encrypted, the content is scrambled, but not degraded. In the same regard, I'd assume the phone plays normal AAC files post-decrypting them. But hey, what would I know...

Nokia already has PDA based models, first the 9110 Communicator, later the Symbian (Psion/EPOC) based 9210 Communicator. Nokia works closely with Symbian on creating this kind of mobile PDAs.

Nokia already has PDA based models, first the 9110 Communicator, later the Symbian (Psion/EPOC) based 9210 Communicator. Nokia works closely with Symbian on creating this kind of mobile PDAs.

If I ever reach a point where this phone can give me that much joy, I'll have bigger issues to address in my life.

//ct

from http://www.nokia.com/phones/5510/faq_general.html
What is the expected price of the Nokia 5510?
The estimated price is 399 euros. Prices may vary from country to country.

For those living in Europe or Asia, who look out for a cool phone which has not that kid stuff (Games, Mp3 Player, SMS functions) but GPRS, HSCSD, Bluetooth and WAP integrated: Check out the new Nokia 6310! This looks more like a phone that I (personally) would need. Greetings

I have the European version (The 9210), and it's sweet. :)

I have the European version (The 9210), and it's sweet. :)

Sounds to me like you can download your music from the computer to the phone just fine, but you won't be able to copy it from the phone. Wouldn't bother me much, but it does conflict with the third panel in this.

"recently selected by BMG and Universal Music as the preferred platform for digital music delivery. Advanced Audio Coding is highly compatible with digital copy protection protocols and watermarking"

Almost the same as RIAA approval right there.

and from the Music FAQ

"In what format is the music saved in my hard disk?
All the songs are saved in encrypted AAC format."

Everything is encrypted.

"Can I play downloaded MP3 files on the Nokia 5510?
Yes, the Nokia 5510 can play MP3 files in protected format. Copies of the downloaded music files are added to the Nokia Audio Manager database. Nokia Audio Manager encrypts the music files and downloads the protected MP3 format to the memory of the Nokia 5510."

Yes, MP3's are encrypted too.

There IS one good piece of news though...

"Does the Nokia 5510 support WMA?
No, it doesn't"

No support for Microcrud format, heh heh.

If you will read the spec at http://www.nokia.com/phones/5510/specifications.ht ml you will see that: "Text messaging: send and receive messages of up to 459 characters (with concatenated message)" If you want to say more that 459 chars, you'd better call a person :)

The music formats supported by the Nokia Music Player are AAC (Advanced Audio Coding), secured with InterTrust digital rights management technology, and MP3.

By providing AAC within InterTrust's DRM system, distributors can not only rest assured that the codec will be used appropriately, but they may now offer innovative DRM-based licensing models for the technology.

Nokia 5510 * Availability: Europe, Africa, Asia * Operating frequency: EGSM 900/1800 networks in Europe, Africa, and Asia Pacific
No mention of a US version as far as I can find.

Sounds like this item is pretty much inline with RIAA rather than being their nightmare.

OK pal, I'm gonna let you in on a little secret. Want to make piles and piles of monay? Make an Atari/Nintendo/Arcade emulator for this thing, right here.

Nokia will sell millions upon millions of 9210 (9290 in the Americas) Communicators. You know what everybody with a Communicator wants? Exactly the same thing you do: Games. Good ones. There are a few good ones coming out for the 9210 (Like Virtually Board Snowboarding), but a lot of people would like to play some great old Atari/Nintendo/Arcade games on it. Surely some Slashdotter can come up with an EPOC app that'll do it, right?

Release it as open source if you want, or charge 5 bucks for the thing. (If just a few thousand people buy it, well, you've got yourself a new car.) I mean sheesh, MAME is open source, isn't it? How hard could it be to compile it with the Nokia/EPOC dev tools?

OK pal, I'm gonna let you in on a little secret. Want to make piles and piles of monay? Make an Atari/Nintendo/Arcade emulator for this thing, right here.

Nokia will sell millions upon millions of 9210 (9290 in the Americas) Communicators. You know what everybody with a Communicator wants? Exactly the same thing you do: Games. Good ones. There are a few good ones coming out for the 9210 (Like Virtually Board Snowboarding), but a lot of people would like to play some great old Atari/Nintendo/Arcade games on it. Surely some Slashdotter can come up with an EPOC app that'll do it, right?

Release it as open source if you want, or charge 5 bucks for the thing. (If just a few thousand people buy it, well, you've got yourself a new car.) I mean sheesh, MAME is open source, isn't it? How hard could it be to compile it with the Nokia/EPOC dev tools?

It seems more like a gameboy than a business tool

Agreed. After looking at their music info page, I'd swear the target market is the teenage Napster crowd.

But with detachable faceplates for Nokia phones and such, that tactic has been used for a while now.

so it won't upset the RIAA. why don't people check these things *before* posting them.
see here for the availability and operating frequencies. duh!

Anyway, to end the controversy: Much like the Nokia Music Player, the 5510 plays both AAC (the proprietary, "secure" filetype) and MP3. The MP3 player is NOT crippled in any way. You copy the file from your PC to the player and that's that. (It holds 64MB, just like the regular Nokia Music Player).

Yes, it's big and chunky, but open it up, and you have a PDA inside running EPOC, with a web browser, WAP, e-mail, SMS, and even a Java virtual machine, all with wireless access to the 'net.

And it still fits in my pocket. Lovely.

According to their FAQ you can use Java.

1.3. Do I have to write my OST application in C++?

No. You can write applications in any language that has an interpreter or that is supported by the application environments. This currently includes C, C++, Java, JavaScript and MHP. If you want to use something else and it doesn't have C/C++ bindings, you will have to implement that first, though.

Umm. Why would anyone buy THAT, when you can get for example a Nokia 9210 Communicator which beats a Whizzor in every aspect.

Anybody remember GEOS? That's another OS that was written entirely in assembly... by the time they finished, Windows had ALL of the marketshare...

Yep, I was one of the developers (fonts, help system, spreadsheet, DBCS version). GEOS is a pre-emptive multi-tasking, multi-threaded OS with a GUI, single imaging model, object-oriented (object-oriented assembly? MooOOoo!), and lots of other wizzy features. It originally ran on a 4.77 MHz, 640K IBM XT, and still uses less than 16MB of disk space (your video card probably has that much RAM now :-)

The OS and apps were done in a reasonable amount of time, but the big problems were:

1. the SDK wasn't available for too long
2. the SDK initially only ran on SPARCstations
3. Microsoft had a OEMs locked into using Windows if they wanted to use DOS. DR-DOS was an option at one point, but OEMs were scared off from it by the incompatabilites MS added

GEOS still lives on. Several companies worked with it until recently, NewDeal and MyTurn.com; both are, alas, now defunct. Nokia used GEOS for the 9000/9110 Communicator which is still alive and kicking. The OS still belongs to Geoworks where it was created, but lots of software is available at Två Katter.