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Nokia 5510 - Cell Phone and More
matthew.thompson writes: "Nokia have released a phone to give the RIAA nightmares - it includes built in MP3 playing AND encoding and an FM stereo radio - so you can MP3 up tracks from the Radio or from an external source via a line in jack. It's also got a full qwerty style keyboard and GameBoy Advance style layout. RIAA headache inducing features here and piccies etc here." I'm not quite sure how this works - Nokia's page says the gizmo plays "secure" mp3 files, which sounds to me as if it is crippled. Here are some hi-res photos. Update: 10/11 12:59 GMT by M : Ahh, my misreading. It says "secure AAC and MP3 files", and apparently "secure" is intended to apply only to AAC. According to the FAQ, the phone is crippled - only stores crippled AAC files, not unencumbered mp3's. A shame.
Devices that do everything are usually pushed aside in favour of an individual device that does something.
I like that kind of 'modularity'.
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And the Angel said unto me, "These are the cries of the carrots! The cries of the carrots!"
Do we really need to carry this much technology? My thought is that its too much for one unit to handle. Probably have to reboot it every now and then when it crashes. I want my phone to provide good phone audio when I call people. I want the battery to last as long as possible so I can call people on the phone. I want good range, SO I CAN CALL PEOPLE ON THE PHONE. If I want music/MP3 I'll get a walkman or a Rio.
Don't Tread on Me
I don't like how this cell phone that doesn't really have any new features at all (phones with mp3 players have been available for almost 2 years).
get this much exposure, while the technically more interesting solutions (GPRS, built in bluetooth, POP3 and SMTP client etc.) like the Ericsson T39 and the upcoming T68 doesn't.
the only thing new about this thing is the keyboard and the poor stand by time.
Anyway, to end the controversy: Much like the Nokia Music Player, the 5510 plays both AAC (the proprietary, "secure" filetype) and MP3. The MP3 player is NOT crippled in any way. You copy the file from your PC to the player and that's that. (It holds 64MB, just like the regular Nokia Music Player).
Blue skies, Barthy Burgers, girls...
It's a great device, a novel new design, has plenty of new devices, but until we upgrade our wireless capability in N. America, we won't be using it for a while.
Availability: Europe, Africa, Asia Pacific in the 4th quarter of 2001
I say we go the DoCoMo route, insted of WAP anyways. Plus, where's the PDA functionality. It seems more a gameboy than a business tool.
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From what i've heard you can indeed download MP3's to yout 5510 but the software you do it with automaticaly converts to the AAC format. This is supposed to be a "secure" format (...at least for two more days, yes? :) The player is an AAC player, and you cannot swap mp3's with your friends because of the security buildt into this format...:(
Nokia's page says the gizmo plays "secure" mp3 files, which sounds to me as if it is crippled
I can find no reference to "secure" mo3. It doe say that it supports AAC (which can have DRM) and MP3...
What do you know I wrote a novel
The music format will not be MP3 but AAC
Software will be included to convert CDDA and Mp3 to AAC.
English is not my first language, so cut me some slack -: Om du kan lasa det har sa kan du Svenska
so it won't upset the RIAA. why don't people check these things *before* posting them.
see here for the availability and operating frequencies. duh!
What is the input mechanism for this? Would I be able to rip straight from a CD player with optical out? Or is it just an analog input?
I'm guessing the software is done outside the phone?
Couldn't find these answers after skimming the web site.
Now as i usually touchtype at 120wpm,
I would like my fingers to magically resize and fit whatever the keyboard size is.
"Bagarashi is the first company dedicated to giving you MP3 audio versions of popular web content. At this time, we are mainly focusing on web usability, information architecture, web marketing, and related content areas. We are expanding, and fresh content is added to Bagarashi every week. Partnerships are being formed with several web sites."
Check it out!
I'm not sure this makes sense, but the idea is interesting. Take web content and convert it to audio (MP3); do you care?
How about the reverse? Imagine taking the content you speak into a cell phone and convert it to a text arhcive. Imagine all of your conversations were recorded and converted to text so that you could revisit them at a later time. So, when your wife or girlfriend threw something in your face, and you were at a loss because of your feeble memory, you could look up old transcripts of conversations and get her all flabberghasted.
you think that drivers talking on cell phones is bad? wait until they get their hands on this phone and try to type messages while driving.
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The MP3 features are nice, but it's great to finally have a full keyboard that doesn't require a stylus to operate (ala Palm-ish phones). The only real, cool feature IMHO. I love my Nomad, don't play handheld games much and not interested in being in Nokia's "club".
... ahh ... err ... phone?!
There does need to be some significant improvements in *power* options if we are supposed to be convinced to be electronically tethered 24/7. I doubt the 2hrs claim will be the norm for most folks.
All the next rev needs is Java, integrated GPS, color screen and old Nintendo/Atari emulation. Now *that* will be a great
Mind the gap...
According to the FAQ the software (for a 'compatible' PC) encrypts any music you want to listen to to AAC format (not heard of that one before) before the phone can download it. It does that to MP3s as well as any other media that you want to store on the phone.
What does having a MP3 player built in do to your phone's battery life?
What do people think about the trend of lumping more and more functionality into single devices? Most people seem to think it's a bad idea with software, is hardware any different?
-- Andy
It seems more like a gameboy than a business tool
Agreed. After looking at their music info page, I'd swear the target market is the teenage Napster crowd.
But with detachable faceplates for Nokia phones and such, that tactic has been used for a while now.
I like fire ants. They are very spicy!
Sending SMS messages with this thing is like... insane! You can only enter 160 characters. That's just not cutting it if you want to tell a story.
On the other hand, all those kids will learn stuff like wtf, fwiw, bbiab, imho, roflmao, lmao, afk (!) and so on.
i'll stfu now. ttyl8r.
infernix
Again (Tata!) a device that makes it real easy to copy and spread digital media. Add BT to the mix and it gets even funkier. This, again, spells doom on the "buy our CDs, we want money" kind of music producers. It's time for them to think of new ways of emptying our pockets, or use old ones in a new way. I'd still like to be able to buy a CD, but then preferably with a very nice booklet, with extra stuff and in really high quality.
Why does "buying the CD" have to be the only way for an artist to get money? Get creative. Look at the boy bands for example, they must be making *TONS* of money from concerts, posters, DVDs, commercials and just about everything. They don't really need those extra dollars from the CDs, and the kids will use just as much money as before.
Having lawyers battle teenagers just sounds like a stupid idea to me, and there are far worse things you can do than copy a piece of music. Reality check people.
I guess the RIAA has to get it's headaches elsewhere, as it doesn't seem that Nokia has plans to make the device available in the States ...
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Why is it that the coolest new cell phones always get made for networks somewhere else besides the U.S.? According to their website this one is only available for networks in Europe, Africa and Asia. I mean come on...I'm a geek I want the cool toys...my StarTac is getting severely dated. Between this, and the 3G network in Tokyo I'm feeling very tech deprived.
Why, in the phone market (and other "gadjet" markets), they feel the need to put in some specials softwares to help promote/sell the device? I mean, if I want my phone to play MP3, I'll find a MP3 player for the OS running it (palm OS, EPOC, etc.) or a Java MP3 player if the phone support Java. A lot of current phone support Java, or offer the possibility to code for it with C/C++, so why they focus on software? Instead, why they don't add other hardware things, like the FM Radio?
If the device have good hardware things, people will like it, and let the programmers do their jobs, and they will made the MP3 player that you want!
Or you can code it yourself too, it's a lot more phone, heh!
Already a lot of public places forbid you from using cell phones. With all due apologies to the road warriors, I have a feeling that the convergence of music games et al into a cell will only add more to the problem.
Waiter: Sir, you cannot talk on a cell inside the hotel sir.
Me: Oh no, I was just excited about Commander Keen.
Waiter: Huh? I doubt you are allowed to talk to Mr.Keen either, sir.
Me: aaaaaaaaarggggggggghhhhh
but maybe it could become more cooler if Nokia worked together with some PDA-company (Best choice would be Palm IMHO). They could reduce the keyboard's size be building one of these in it to make more room for the screen.
Devices is this one allready excist but most are a PDA that you can make phonecalls with or a cellphone that remembers your appointments.
Here is a nokia music player press release dated March this year. It says 32megs for an hour of music. (Must be a pretty crummy bitrate though). Today's link claims 2 hours, but I doubt that's at the standard 128kbps. Anybody know how much memory in this thing?
it's heavy
it's big
it can't do gprs...
Great, just another gimmic to attract the younger croud. As I walk around, I'm seeing a ton of teenagers with no more reason for a phone than to "stay in touch with all their friends". It's more like be bothered consitantly and cause headaches for everyone else because they can't talk quietly.
It's not just kids either. I walk around a major University here in the US and practically everyone has them and is always on them. It's the first thing they do out of class. It's what they do on the bus. It's become a cult and a horrible addiction.
I'm not saying cell phones aren't important. They have many great uses and I plan on getting one as soon as I graduate (not enough comfortable capital yet because of rising education costs) for work and long distance (much cheaper!!!).
Does anyone agree with me? It seems like there's more people out there that don't have a need for them - especially the younger croud. Live life; meet new people - like the people sitting next to you in the bus; and get off the damn phone.
Why does Nokia care if the file format on the phone is "protected" or not? Is there some kind of phone-to-phone transfer capability that opens up the opportunity for "piracy"?
If I have an MP3 file and Nokia software converts it to "protected AAC", I can [technically] still share the old MP3 copy with half of the planet via P2P, right?
I realize the whole question is academic because the phone is not going to be in the US anytime soon.
Personally, I have no use for a music player in my phone, but I can imagine college students who might want lightweight, multi-function devices. I'd rather have MP3 capability in a PDA.
The battery life on this phone/music toy must be pitiful.
According to the FAQ:
Can I play downloaded MP3 files on the Nokia 5510?
Yes, the Nokia 5510 can play MP3 files in protected format. Copies of the downloaded music files are added to the Nokia Audio Manager database. Nokia Audio Manager encrypts the music files and downloads the protected MP3 format to the memory of the Nokia 5510.
In what format is the music saved in my hard disk?
All the songs are saved in encrypted AAC format.
So it looks like the Audio manager encryps mp3's before they get sent to the device. Which also means that you probably can't download and play then on another machine. It also probably means that the format on the device is NOT mp3. more like AAC format, which is exactly the reason why I haven't got a Sony Memorystick walkman...
Maybe what you saw has been changed by the marketing folks to conform to 'industry standards'?
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The music formats supported by the Nokia Music Player are AAC (Advanced Audio Coding), secured with InterTrust digital rights management technology, and MP3.
By providing AAC within InterTrust's DRM system, distributors can not only rest assured that the codec will be used appropriately, but they may now offer innovative DRM-based licensing models for the technology.
Nokia 5510 * Availability: Europe, Africa, Asia * Operating frequency: EGSM 900/1800 networks in Europe, Africa, and Asia Pacific
No mention of a US version as far as I can find.
Sounds like this item is pretty much inline with RIAA rather than being their nightmare.
- - You can't take something off the Internet! That's like trying to take pee out of a swimming pool.
From reading the spec, the poxy thing has 64Mb for MP3 storage, an FM radio, and still has annoying bleepy ringtones rather than sample-based ones like (at least) Sony mobiles have.
No sign of IR data in the specs either, which is more or less standard in other Nokia WAP phones...
Nearly, but not quite. (add smartmedia or CF support to the wishlist)
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for their nonsensical allocation of radio spectrum.
I can't get anything this cool to use on (VoiceStream) GSM 1900.
Guess I'll just have to buy one for my GF and visit her more often.
According to that site It is not available for the north american market.
aem
-a.e.mossberg
I've been asking for sample based ringtones for years. Not because I want Eric Idle saying "Message for you Sir!" (cf. Holy Grail) or because I want the latest teeny-bopper to sing when I get a phone call.
I want to hear the sound of a real ring, like all phones had when I was growing up. You know, electricity causing hammer to strike metal bell inside the phone leased from Ma Bell...
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more than yo
In order for me to buy a phone, it needs to be two things 1) shiny, and 2) small.
I love Nokia phones, esp the two I have, the 8860, and the 8890 - and they pass the "smaller than my penis" test. and they are shiny as all get out.
but this monster looks huge. how exactly are you to carry it around? and only a small part of it is shiny.
There are some odd things afoot now, in the Villa Straylight.
Can I tune in, encode and stream? Why? Cuz I potentially could! There's always some novel use for seemingly useless technology. And someone who reads /. will probably hack it to achieve such a feat!
Que Deus te de em dobro o que me desejas
[May God give you double that which you wish for me]
Well, in watching my younger brother and sisters chat on the internet, i can tell you that they all already know the ones they want to use, which is pretty much limited to cya, wtf, rofl, lol, brb, and ttyl... figure they would never say for what its worth, be back in a bit, in my humble opinion, and away from keyboard in meatspace, so why would they say it in cyberspace? One thing im surprised about is the lack of "stfu" adoption. And IANAL. :)
What stops you from using this from in the US with the GSM provider of Voicestream? It looks like it is compatable with the US GSM freq (EGSM 900, GSM 1800 and GSM 900/1800 dual-band). I believe Voicestream uses 900. And if the phone is bought is Europe locked, then you can go to any small store (privatly owned) and they can unlock it for like $10 US. Any ideas on this, because it sounds it will work in the US without problems?
Just some idle speculation on what comes next: :-)
1. color screen (already available in some cell phones
2. digital camera?
3. video camera for video phone shots of peoples ears or mouths
4. better pim software
5. optional sxga video output - so that you can see what you are typing, and play games like they should be played
6. back to the real: voice recording to mp3 (strangely, this one doesn't seem to do this)
7. text-voice-text features
8. direct neural connection to allow immersive VR conference calls (orgies)
Cheers.
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"recently selected by BMG and Universal Music as the preferred platform for digital music delivery. Advanced Audio Coding is highly compatible with digital copy protection protocols and watermarking"
Almost the same as RIAA approval right there.
and from the Music FAQ
"In what format is the music saved in my hard disk?
All the songs are saved in encrypted AAC format."
Everything is encrypted.
"Can I play downloaded MP3 files on the Nokia 5510?
Yes, the Nokia 5510 can play MP3 files in protected format. Copies of the downloaded music files are added to the Nokia Audio Manager database. Nokia Audio Manager encrypts the music files and downloads the protected MP3 format to the memory of the Nokia 5510."
Yes, MP3's are encrypted too.
There IS one good piece of news though...
"Does the Nokia 5510 support WMA?
No, it doesn't"
No support for Microcrud format, heh heh.
- - You can't take something off the Internet! That's like trying to take pee out of a swimming pool.
They could have at least dragged in the IR modem from the 88*0 - Glub knows it got everything else.
I need Long Wave. If I can't get Test Match Special on it, then I'm not interested.
"the phone is crippled - only stores crippled AAC files, not unencumbered mp3's. A shame."
Kinda defeats the purpose of the article itself, doesn't it?
"Nokia have released a phone to give the RIAA nightmares."
The FAQ states that the files are stored encrypted, but the link from above (http://www.nokia.com/phones/5510/spotlight_music. html) shows an example of copying the music from one 5510 to another. So how should this work if the music is encrypted? Only idea is that the music is encrypted with a common key, but it should be not so difficult to rip out the key from the pc based conversion software (same way, DVD was hacked).
This runs with the help of a ARM7 core.
Which is what they use in the new RIO and the Game Boy Advance (GBA).
So the potential is there to create a clone of a GBA (but without carts).
This would see you download your game to phone so you could have a library of games that you have paid for and when you want a new one you pay for it and it becomes part of your library (reducing the number of games that can be stored to1 save the amount of flash and so how expensive the end unit is ).
The technically this is easy legally this is easy since nitendo just licensed the ARM ISA (the publishers would have to publish through a new medium but that's simple enough)
the problem is the screen
Battery life on phones has to be quite long
LCD are the single greatest drain on a battery to put in a screen of the GBA's resolution would mean the battery life of in use would decrease considerably
sad really
regards
john jones
p.s. how long to EPOC GBA emulator is seen I wonder (-;
Sure it's great, I disagree with those saying that you should have devices that do only one thing... Yeah, a cell phone, laptop, palmtop, cdplayer, mp3 player and a radio... sounds heavy, cumbersome.... I'd rather have everything in one small device.
However... it's not that much compared to what's available from DoCoMo: color screens, smaller phones, music playing (including mp3) with even speical headphone with a small remote on the cord (a but like the one for the sony CD walkmans). I think we should start asking more from north american phone companies... if they can't offer similar offerings, they shjould just shift their network to fit the foreigh ones... because right now north american wireless service sucks!
It's better even in africa!!
So asking for better service here really is not asking too much!
As far as I can see, this thing has no email client.
If it had one, I would have been interested.
But this one is for SMS senders only (ie Kids).
I personally don't see the point in SMS. I pay 10-15Pf (less than 5-7 cents) a minute for a nationwide one minute call on my calling plan. An SMS (160 characters) costs 3 times as much.
My ideal phone (not yet invented)
- supports compact flash cards for MP3s (not MMC like all MP3 capable GSM phone use)
- triband
- HSCSD (GPRS is too damn expensive)
- IRDA
- E-Mail client
- Full keyboard
Ericsson has a phone that comes pretty close,
but lacks MP3 and full keyboard.
from "CmdrTaco" might count but from "CmdrTaco on" probably doesn't. :-)
it's in my head
An alternative to passport? I found this more interesting than a new phone. .NET as a proprietary solution, but now Nokia is making a shot too, and their effort aims for an open and standards-based solution."
"Microsoft is attempting something like this with its Passport effort which is tied into
- You can ONLY upload music to the phone with the Nokia Audio Manager software.
From the FAQ:"Can I play downloaded MP3 files on the Nokia 5510?
Yes, the Nokia 5510 can play MP3 files in protected format. Copies of the downloaded music files are added to the Nokia Audio Manager database. Nokia Audio Manager encrypts the music files and downloads the protected MP3 format to the memory of the Nokia 5510."
- The Nokia Audio Manager PC software converts your MP3s to AAC and only THEN are you able to play them on your Nokia. I think the FAQ contradicts itself in a way and Nokia is misleading the website readers, Nokia 5510 only plays/records in AAC and MP3 files stop where the Nokia Audio Manager PC software begins. The Nokia Audio Manager PC software only converts FROM MP3 and not back INTO MP3 so it's an MP3 black hole.
Alright, in europe, every youth carries a cell phone, its a requirement...well at least in sweden and finland. So, if they can get music out of it also, then thats wonderful. That means not having to carry a minidisc along with the cell phone, and with tight pants all the craze, there isn't much room for a plethora of devices.
Two, there is a massive element of irony that this phone, with its full keyboard, will sell beautifully on the deaf market. (The irony being that it plays music)...SMS is a HUGE thing for deaf people, who can use their cellphones to communicate to full potential, and a full keyboard is a godsend for them.
Its a grand product.
Heck, even fishball vendors (the ones who sell food-on-sticks on the sidewalks in urban places) and jeepney drivers (i.e. public transportation guys) actually own cellphones here, and they use it mainly for SMS messages (frequently pronounced by Filipinos as just "texts")
It's the simplest way to keep connected in this side of the world. Then again, SMS is pretty cheap here at PhP1.00 (around US$0.02) compared to a cellphone call at PhP6.00/minute. You also get hundreds of free messages per month, too.
Pet peeve: Profane people propagating perfunctory pedantry.
is being able to swap MP3 on this phone.
Not really. It does not say that you can't copy the music from other phones. You might but then it would only be in the Nokia format. And could only be played on Nokia stuff. So it might not conflict.
How every it would be nice if the all the music was in an open format like MP3. But of course that would give the consumer too much power over the music they listen to.
-Scott
It is said that a child learns wisdom from the parent,
but the truly wise parent learns joy from the child
just saw some of the pics... does it have a regular 123/456/789/*0# keypad? if not...
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For those living in Europe or Asia, who look out for a cool phone which has not that kid stuff (Games, Mp3 Player, SMS functions) but GPRS, HSCSD, Bluetooth and WAP integrated: Check out the new Nokia 6310! This looks more like a phone that I (personally) would need. Greetings
9210 passes the "smaller than my penis" test.
Karma: Good! Napster: Baad!
Here are some hi-res photos
Since whend did "hi-res" mean "larger than a postage stamp? High-resolution is more like a 300dpi photo, not this slightly larger picture.
- j
In the race to provide the ultimate device: .. hello hello hello?"
phone/mp3 player/radio/tv/video/network computer/girlfriend manufacturers are forgetting one thing - I would like to actually make a phone call. Any time, any place. When I pick up my phone at home, surprise! I get a dial tone. I dial the number, then converse. When i turn on my cell phone I get "He'' Wahha.. Muhaa.. Who? So what do you... who?
f the mp3s, gadgets, good gear. Give us a phone that works and everyone will have one.
A quick search on the net gave me no result on the price, probably this phone is too new.
The problem with that kind of mobile phones is the high price at which they are sold. The siemens SL45 for example is 630 euros and the sony Z5 is more than 1000 euros. It is more expensive than a good mobile phone and a little mp3 player !
As the nokia 5510 is targeted to teens and young adults, I do not see them (us) pay such a kind of price. Better stick with the good standard mobile phone and minidisc.
More than 400 euros and no one will buy it.
Mich.
Men are born ignorant, not stupid; they are made stupid by education. Bertrand Russel
A shame? If I'm playing MP3's on my cell phone in general, chances are that I'm going to be using some kind of proprietary interface to get the tracks onto the phone to begin with. I have no intention of playing P2P with this thing (and I don't know if it's even feasible).
That said, the average music lover would probably toss a few CD's into their CD-ROM drives, copy the songs to this AAC format on the phone, and be done with it. If I have no purpose to transfer these AAC files anywhere else, why should I care if they are quote-unquote "cripped"?
This is one cool piece of gadgetry.
Not because of its feature overload, but because of its innovative (we can't say that much nowadays for most phones) User Interface Design, as well as its industrial design.
Real improvements in mobile phone UI design started last year with Kyocera's Palm-phone. Now we have something even better.
The split keyboard is extremely well thought-out, and tackles the input bottleneck for WAP/mobile devices. Heck, not only does it have a full QWERTY keyboard, it is optimized for 2-HANDED USE. Very ingenious. This thing looks very, very usable to me. Before, a user needed one hand to hold the thing, and another to type with. Now, you can hold AND type at the same time.
The centered-screen is also a very cool innovation, as it is something not even the suits of Motorola/Ericsson have even tried. In fact, you should expect copycats to this from now on. I think the people who would benefit AND embrace this design the most are Japanese i-Mode users, who use WAP extensively. It gives a new center of focus on the phone (middle instead of top), and makes great use of existing device real estate.
I gotta give Nokia a big hand for this one. =)
Makes me scream the old adage, "Why didn't *I* think of that?!?"
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Input will still be a bottleneck, if not a bigger one, with the Frogpad. You have to learn a compleetely new way of typing, whcih is extremely inefficient. I will stick with the small QWERTY board on the Nokia anyday over the propriatary FrogPad's.
...because you will soon be amongst the 'mobile phone elite' and jabbering away after work.
I'm sure the 'kids' who you seem to worry about so much had 'legitimate' intentions for their phones, just as you do.
It may be a neat gadget, but this lady on their page is having way too much fun with it.
If I ever reach a point where this phone can give me that much joy, I'll have bigger issues to address in my life.
//ct
I recall that when the RIAA lost their suit to keep the original Diamond mp3 portable player off the market, there was a voluntary agreement among some player mfg.s to include only voice-quality recording on the devices. It wasn't part of any settlement, law or contract but seemed to be self-regulation.
There are now high fidelity mp3 recorders. The Archos Jukebox Recorder is one that records to hard drive so you can fit entire concerts on it without having to change a DAT or MiniDisc.
I've always wondered what the beef with hi-fi analog-in mp3 recorders would be in the first place. Digital recorders have been around for a while and the only objection has been on their digital inputs. Faster-than-realtime access to the music (not possible with DAT/DCC/MiniDisc) makes swapping the music easier, but hard disc recorders (including ultraportable laptops with hi-fi audio i/o) have been around for a while, also without objection.
While I've only seen the record-feature-missing Archos Jukebox with my own eyes, Archos does make the Recorder version available on their website, seemingly without complaint or objection from the RIAA.
-M
the nokia phone looks and sounds great. Unfortunately it is not expected to be released in the USA. America always has the worst cellular technology. You can thank the military for that, since they own the frequencies that are needed for faster cellular bandwidth :(
I don't have a cell phone. I've been tempted on a number of occasions, but haven't succumbed yet. :-) What does a cell phone do that nothing else does? Only one thing, really: It lets other people contact you immediately when you are away from your habitual locations. All other telecommunication needs can be met by using email/IM, answering machines, telephones, pay phones, etc. In the end, it boils down to a question of how often you want to be contacted when you're away from your fixed bases, and how much you're willing to pay for the convenience of not using a pay phone or borrowing someone else's phone. In my case, not often and not $300/year.
Nokia already has PDA based models, first the 9110 Communicator, later the Symbian (Psion/EPOC) based 9210 Communicator. Nokia works closely with Symbian on creating this kind of mobile PDAs.
Strange thing. In Norway, Mongo is a rather rude term for a person with Down's Syndrome. OK, Norway is a small country, but about 95% of people aged 15-30 own a mobile phone, most of them Nokias, and after all, Finland (home of Nokia) is pretty close to here. Why choose "Retard" (actually, it's a lot worse :-) as their mascot name?
Beats me.
get a Free BSD!
According to the FAQ, the phone is crippled - only stores crippled AAC files...
Since when does encrypted automatically mean the fortmat is crippled? Nowhere in the FAQ do I see the word "crippled." DVD's are not crippled, the encryption on the disk does not affect the quality of the picture or the sound. DVD's are encrypted, the content is scrambled, but not degraded. In the same regard, I'd assume the phone plays normal AAC files post-decrypting them. But hey, what would I know...
Portable MP3 recording is a new twist to an old technology, and not an entirely new feature. It's just digital voice recording.
GPRS is something more genuinely new. A somewhat fast mobile connection, without the dialup pain.
Does it support Ogg Vorbis? Personally if it doesn't then I don't want it. Oh and by the way, I'm going to need to be able to install BSD on my phone. Especially since it's faster than Linux.
This is a cool phone that propably suits my needs better than the nokia phone.
Slashdot for the cell phone addict:
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Using the 'smaller than my penis' test, I'm limited to about laptop sizes.
Ducks and covers...
Culture is more than commerce
Definately Not off topic
damn I just wrote a whole big thing
cause the spacing on it sucked
Rewrite that slashcode guys!!!
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Uh anyone who has the time. MAYBE THE AUTHOR... Be willing to post links to
the actual location of the pictures of this device.. I couldn't find them with
the hyperlink that the AUTHOR included in his post. This seems like just another
article posted by someone whose only concern is to post as many articles as
possible without taking the time to research the subject and his posting properly.
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uh .. i found some nevermind ... it looks cool!!
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It's wrought (rôt) iron, you incontrovertible dweeb.
You should check out the Sony SO502iWM here.
This cellphone sports an ACTUAL 8mm stereo line/optical combo input jack for realtime audio encoding to ATRAC3 (Minidisc recording format) on Memory Stick. (MS slot at bottom of phone) You can see how all the possible hookup options here. I've personally seen this phone and its very compact. Dimensions are 105mm × 50mm × 28mm, just a hair thicker and wider than a Nokia 8260 when folded. Plus it features a 160x120 full-color screen, full iMode functionality, 100 minute talk time and a wired LCD stick remote (displays song titles and phone numbers) for operating music playback and basic phone functions without taking the phone out of your pocket! Its been selling since the beginning of Summer 2001 in Japan.
My bet is that AAC is a cheap rehash of Mp3, just like Sony's ATRAC, to avoid the Mp3 licensing fees. So basically loading the mp3s converts them to AACs or maybe just changes the extension. ;-)
Well, this finally explains *that*...
What if life is just a side effect of some other process and God has no idea we exist?
500 million messages / 9 million customers - 55.5 messages per year per customer on average.
Just over one message per week. Is it that much of a pain, once a week, to spend two minutes typing out an SMS instead of 45 seconds hunting and pecking on an array of Tic-Tacs glued onto a Gameboy Advance? Then comes the ridiculousness factor of talking into what seems to be a portable gaming system in a quasi-offensive "Extreme" primary color.
Sigh. These things are silly.
Hey Taco! Looks like you're using the "infinite monkeys and typewriters" scheme to generate Ask Slashdots again...
Shiny and small? This is my favorite: Nokia 8250 ;)
Of course, not available in the USA
9 Million _people_. Does every single man, woman and child have a cellphone. Bwahah. As if.
It's more like 1-2 million people sending 500 million messages per year. Which is a lot. Those who write a greater portion of that would find a keyboard quite useful.
> It seems more a gameboy than a business tool.
The target group of this new model is teens (12-22). Hardly doing business they are.
Heikki
As you wound know If you would have read the device specs, 160 is not the limit. GSM SMS specs includes a functionality for concatenating multiple Short Messages. This means that you can send messages longer than 160 char. (You can also send pictures, business cards, calendar events etc).
Heikki
Does anybody know if Nokia will provide also the linux users with a program for music/other file transfer between the 5510 and a computer?
/. was a linux geek site.
What about the other Nokia phones (especially Communicators (series 9000))? Does anybody use them with a linux computer as the desktop?
I still use a Nokia 6110 while waiting for a good phone/PDA/MP3-player to replace it. My home computers are all 100% linux.
It's odd that this question has not been posted by anybody else... I thought
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I can't seem to see IR support in the specs... has this become a thing of the past with mobiles...? I would buy it at the drop of a hat if it were available here and had IR support...
Kim
> find a keyboard quite useful
keyboard?
oh yeah it's qwerty - but u can't user 10 fingers!
FAQ
MP3 files can be transferred to the phone fine, but getting them off again might be more tricky... the phone might not even be capable of playing MP3 files and rely on them being preconverted by the music manager.Meep meep
The USA killed ~7000 innocent Somalian civilians in -93 while failing to kill one single warlord.
Stop showing your ignorance. You may not have liked the Somalian mission, but lets be honest about what the mission was. Killing Somalian warlords was *not* the mission.
Originally the mission was humanitarian, under Bush the elder- "open supply routes, get food moving, prepare the way for a UN peacekeeping force."
Under Clinton, in part due to the deliberate killing of 24 UN peacekeepers, the mission changed somewhat to capturing (that's right, *capturing*, not killing) one warlord, Gen. Mohamed Farrah Aidid, as well as commanders under him. If you find the deaths of 7,000 civilians deeply troubling, as I do, you might try reading BlackHawk Down to get some perspective on how such things occur.
You might pause to consider how (and if, of course) the USA should use its power when attempting to prevent a million starving people from dying due to the fact that food supplies can't get into a country during yet another civil war. Keep in perspective that while the US did sacrifice 34 of its own lives (and a billion or so in cash) and 7000 Somalis died, we were trying to prevent the starvation deaths which had already killed 300,000 Somalis, with the International Red Cross warning at the time of a potential 1.5 million deaths without greater food distribution. (I don't hear you trying to hold any warlords responsible for those 300,000 deaths now, do I? Why didn't the person who handed you that one-liner set of facts bother to mention them?)
Being concerned about the safety of food distribution (having watched rival Somali clans attempt to use food as a weapon by stealing, hoarding, and denying it to particular people), the UN first sent 50 unarmed monitors, then 500 security guards, then 5000, then ultimately 25000 US troops to insure that food aid could get through without being intercepted by warring local warlords. Yeah, USA- those bastards!
After it was clear to the US that its presence wasn't being effective (and the conflict was getting personal), it left, arranged for 25,000 UN troops from scattered countries to replace it, and after 8 more years, the UN has finally helped install Somalia's first government in a decade, the Transitional National Government (interview here). Meanwhile US food aid continues to stream into the country. Man, the USA really sucks, doesn't it!
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When are they going to figure out that phones need a nice bright LED to use as a flashlight? The backlight just doesn't cut it.
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Roughly 80 per cent of the Swedish population has a mobile phone (not sure if that includes children, but in the UK many teenagers have mobile phones and I'm sure Sweden is even more mobile mad). Source: http://www.line56.com/articles/default.asp?NewsID= 2924
In almost every developed country other than the US, mobile phones are used by the majority of the population. Outside the US, the calling party pays extra for calls to a mobile (rather than the called person), which means that people are more likely to give out their mobile numbers, generating more traffic and making mobiles more popular. That's one reason why the US lags greatly in the use of mobiles, along with the lack of unified standards (CDMA, GSM and TDMA, and still lots of analogue).
It reminds me of the Trash 80.
It also looks like the ugliest phone I'll ever talk on.
I misread the original post. You're right. I apologize.
Hey Taco! Looks like you're using the "infinite monkeys and typewriters" scheme to generate Ask Slashdots again...