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John writes: "infoSync has posted the official information about the two new Nokia phones which is going to be unveiled today. Quote: 'The Nokia 7650 will be the world's first 2.5G Symbian OS mobile phone with advanced messaging and imaging capabilities ...' It looks like ICQ on the mobile phone is closer than ever!" Includes a built-in camera and various comments about this not coming to North America anytime soon.
This looks very slick, however it isn't available for 1900mhz (north american gsm) yet. For some darn reason they always do that, North American GSM seems to be low priority for GSM phone builders.
I remember when my 5120 was the hot shit, now they're giving them away.
"With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine." -- RFC 1925
ICQ on the Matrix phone? .. Long live the AOL/Time Warner Empire
Woo!
Next, I re-read and thought it said "simian", and I thought, "whoah -- a phone for my spider monkey!"
Damn, what a boring phone...
Method of processing duck feet
This is not meant as a troll, but:
I've been able to ICQ to/from my GSM handset (as SMS) for ~1 year now.
More info here.
Apparently, one of our local CDMA carriers (Tellus) is offering AIM on their phones, as well..
Shesh.. 'News for Nerds'.. Or do you forget. 8-) It's a darned cool looking phone, so hence, gets 'space'.
-- I'm the root of all that's evil, but you can call me cookie..
One of the nice things about the GSM network is that the phone is separated from the account. Thus it doesn't matter if the phone is sold here as long as it works here. You could just order it from overseas and assimilate it with your SIM chip. The Nokia 7650 phone seems to be tightly packed with just about everything else, too bad they missed 1900MHz support. That foils everything.
Btw, I have a theory about the existence of the Nokia 8890. Nokia realized their non-USA customers probably wanted to travel to the USA, not that they wanted to deliver the USA a cool phone. That's probably the only reason we have it.
Anxiously awaiting the 9290.
When American Standard releases a new toilet, are we gonna hear about it here first?
Yes, followed by a lengthy flamewar over "American Standard vs. Kohler"!
Well if you are looking for IM on phones, then there is nothing like using Yahoo IM over WAP.
Coupled with my free WAP tarrif... gives me somebody to talk to when I am taking the bus into work.....
I know there are restrictions on cell phone design here in the US (eg sparser grid-->more powerful transmitter needed-->bulky phones), but I still get jealous when I see the new European and Japanese phones that are coming out. And for god's sake why doesn't anyone use text messaging here? Once you get some practice typing on the keypad it's not as big a hassle as you might think, and quite convenient.
Then we could officially change the site slogan to News for Turds. Stuff that Splatters.
Does everything in the world need to be "internet accessible" or "web-enabled"?!?!?
How long before phones start getting hacked or spread MS LookOut worms? How long before phone spamming becomes the norm?
*Sigh* I want the web for convenience. I want to web to make my life easier. I don't need the "cool" factor of every internet-capable device. I don't need my refrigerator ordering food for me, and I certainly don't need IRC on my phone. Frankly, I find it easier to CALL someone rather than attempt to type on a frickin' phone (or follow an IRC session with 50 people on one of those little phone LCDs). But I digress...
Am I the *only* person who feels this way?
dudes how is it that i have to read uk news to find breaking news in the Audio areas?
b er /001068.html
anyway what was this topic about?
http://uk.eurorights.org/lists/ukcdr/2001-Novem
In the usa we cannot purchase Nokia communicators.
Not sure why, they keep saying its some air wave issue, however i know its possible to make Nokia communicators work on Old analog cell systems.
So given that, why the delay in shipping?
I didn't see when if and it would be available in the US. It certainly seems like the integration of services I've really been holding out for in a device. Now if they could only shrink it down to wristwatch size....
-= jester =-
Considering how *unreliable* ICQ has become, I frankly doubt that this would have any use. Honestly since some time it has become impossible to communicate with people running newer versions of ICQ (still using 99b-Rev A here, or LICQ).
Besides, I know it's possible to do ICQ on handhelds for a long time. I have a Psion and there is an ICQ client available. It is paying so I never bothered. (Use google to find it) I've used Opera on my Psion for the sake of it and that works great, if this is some kind of integrated Phone/Psion I could get interesed (including speadsheet, Contacts, Word, Jotter,...) I always have looked down on Palm owners, because the Psion in it's many incarnations is really superior IMHO. Too bad Psion stopped making hardware.
As for Nokia hardware, I alway found them "feeling" cheap, more like toys...Give me a good Siemens anyday.
Ahhh...the great dumpster continuum. Many a free computer will be found there. -- sowth (748135)
The phrase "American Standard" used in a discussion aboout GSM Mobile Phones! Aha!
It was bad enough having to do 'busy office', 'stuck in traffic' and 'on the train' sound effects - and now this!
I don't think we want to make video fones cheap and plentiful in the world.
The U.S. bombed Al-Jazeera in Kabul so the uninformed masses wouldn't get upset when the Northern Alliance, which is nasty but doesn't harbor terrorists at least, sacked Kabul, murdered, raped and pillaged.
Al-Jazeera used mobile videophones to broadcast anyway, removing the utility of our $2 million bomb.
At least their phones cost thousands of dollars.
Cheap, easily obtained, anonymous videophones by Nokia would remove any governmental ability to block out journalistic broadcast from an area for national security purposes.
We should regulate, register or restrict video telephony to address the government's need to do this.
Goat sex free since 2001
In the last 2-3 years or so, all our lines are becoming blurred, and it't useful just to stop and look at how much has changed so quickly.
Just 7 years ago very few people had a moblie phone, they were huge bricks with a battery life of 20 minutes. The digital camera was unheard of, the internet was just entering the mainstream (everyone said it would never catch on), and nobody had a CD writer.
Now we all have our digicam-watches, TiVos, DVD/TV/sound system players/recorders, Internet fridges (order food online as you use it), and miblie phones that can do pretty much enything you want except act as a sextoy [watch this space!].
The boundries between different technologies are becoming nonexistent. Different technologies are more cross-compatible. We are rapidly acheiving a situation where everything can talk to everything else.
As this trend increases, the total personal device (phone/pc/watch/camera/whatever) will evolve. It will do everything, go everywhere with you. It will interact with all the other devices in your life, making things easier and more personal. The electronic walls will change shade as you go into a public buliding, billboards will only advertise things you want. It'll be a better world.
These phones are a step in that direction. Which is, IMHO, very cool.
These people look deep within my soul and assign me a number based on the order in which I joined. -- Homer Simpson
When American Standard releases a new toilet, are we gonna hear about it here first?
Probably not. I submitted this way back in April, but it was rejected.
Nokia 7650 Home Page (with specs, etc.)
Symbian Press Release
It looks like ICQ on the mobile phone is closer than ever!
Great! Now I can use my mobile phone to get in touch with people!
Uh...
--saint
2001-11-19 14:42:03 Nokia: the killer phone! (articles,news) (rejected)
:P however, that aside.. this is about ONE phone.. not TWO.. the 7650 is being announced yes, but, its just so natural for nokia to release a USA varient to, but, this was not announced on infosync's website. i dunno, reject a valid article and then reword it incorrectly. my submission was written and then verified via the infosync.no author (i dont like posting lies).
;)
i posted this article just as the infosync.no webmaster told me about the story - only to have it rejected (still pissed about my anti-quake comment)?
so much for kharma
What's the point? Trying to type an email on my nokia is impossible, unless these people come up with a better way to input text it really doesn't make since on a cellphone.
Currently the system is to type each letter by pressing cycling through the number keys, i.e. press '1' for 'A', 'B', 'C' etc.. Nokia does feature a auto-complete feature which might be handy, but I haven't had the motivation to make any use out of it.
-Jon
this is my sig.
The 9210 communicator, runs the Symbian OS, Java and is generally absolutely brilliant. The only issue with it is size, which this phone addresses.
These next generation mobile devices are based around common standards and architectures, SymbianOS , Java & GSM. No Redmond anywhere to be found. Symbian is a solid proper RTOS unlike the PalmOS or WinCE. Consumer devices need to be reliable, robust and pre-emptible.
An Eye for an Eye will make the whole world blind - Gandhi
THAT came from Michael Powell, son of Colin, then a commissioner (now the Bush-appointed Chairman) of the FCC, not recused from the AOLTW merger vote even though dad was on the AOL board with $13million in stock options. It's from Powell Jr's pre-release statement after the merger went through. AIHS? Read on...
"Despite the Majority's analysis [of AOL's IM] that purports to show a competitive problem in need of a remedy, the Majority (perhaps to its credit) does not mandate interoperability for current iterations of IM. ... When a regulatory agency has to make up its own acronym to describe a product or service it intends to regulate, one should be concerned. ("Behold the Wizard of AIHS.")
"The concern is the implication for Internet regulation. This Order makes clear that the FCC has jurisdiction to regulate virtually every Internet product, or service that facilitates communications under Title I of the Communications Act. But, imposing IM conditions under that authority ignores the fact that the Commission, for decades now, has expressly declined to regulate similar computer, data processing and information services for the very reason that such interference would undermine the energy and drive toward innovation that characterizes these highly competitive markets. Based on the letter of the statute, this may be correct and FCC involvement in Internet communications services may be inevitable. Yet, the implications of that step are not fully considered here and that is why I am most hesitant (indeed unwilling) to make such a substantial leap in the context of an adjudicatory proceeding, without greater notice and a fuller and broader opportunity to comment that would result from an inquiry or rulemaking proceeding."
So AOL's IM near monopoly was left intact through the merger, to protect the open innovation of the Net, UNTIL a new-fangled video Instant Messaging product arrived. Then, perhaps, it would be time to get with the Net regulations... Goodie!
(See Michael's scrapbook photos, read his statements: click The Chairman.}
guess John posted it before me and mis-read the article :) oh well.. until next time *g* it happens :) maybe CmdrTaco should have verified the info by actually reading the article :)
(Bias: I work for Symbian)
How come whenever the Finns make something, it is always the best? Why do the rest of us even bother? I just realized that all my furniture is from there. The best phones are from there. All the best ships in the world are from there. The best architecture is from there. The best OS is from there. According to Porsche, the best car manufacturing is from there. The best snow tires are from there (forgot their name, but they're definately the best). The best gloves are from there (Sinisalo). The best snowboarders are from there. The best race car drivers (especially if you focus on rally) are from there. The best monitoring speakers are from there (Genelec). etc. Don't they have the lowest population density in the world too?
Can anybody tell me what ICQ will provide that a GSM hasn't already ? SMS should ne enough for the majority, and Nokia has already a chat system, as on the 3310 model. :))
I don't see the point of having ICQ on it. ( to draw nice lines and curves ??
I have to admit I haven't tried theit chat service ( which depends of the provider I suppose ), but I don't see why they need ICQ, if it's not for a marketing reason.
I've been using GPRS (2.5 G) with my Motorola Timeport 260 for almost a year now here in Germany. I must say that it has really developed itself to something great. My WAP goes faster, I only pay for what I send/receive, and I can use IRDA to link with my Palm to check e-mail wirelessly, surf the net (using Palm web browsers...to an extent), and of course message.
Now this new Nokia really makes this whole process much easier, because using IRDA becomes a pain especially when your on the go and it is hard to keep Palm and phone pointing at each other.
It looks like ICQ on the mobile phone is closer than ever! I saw a commercial about AOL IM being able to be used over a mobile. But it's only for Verison or something. I'd rather have AOL IM over ICQ any day.
The phone looks great, and the features sound impressive. I know I love my 8810 phone, but this 7650 looks like its going to smack everything down. The only thing I'm concerned about is the data transfer for the Video Phone. If its going to be a smooth transfer or if its going to be "the good 'ol slide show presentation" full of lag. Also, if its going to be a sperate service that you will need to suscribe to much like text messaging or email. All the extra features in the phones are really nice, but can easily cost a lot if you want all the "new toys" to work.
Nokia came out with an even cooler phone for SMS a few weeks ago, the 5510. It has a full char set keyboard... and an MP3 player... no dig cam though... info here: http://www.nokia.com/phones/5510/index.html
Wow, I really can't wait to have the newest beta of ICQ on my phone? Maybe they should wait until there is actually an official version...in say, 5-10 years?
Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?
...their music!
That over 1 billion text messages were sent in the UK alone last month. txt'ing is _the_ way to communicate for todays youth culture. Even us oldies in their late 20's send text messages on a regular basis. Looking through my phone I sent 12 messages this weekend. Organising places to meet people, drunken banter from the pub, etc. It is great, no need to talk to the person and it is normally cheaper than calling during peak times.
Also Bt Cellnet here in the UK has just signed a deal with msn (and soon yahoo!) where there will be seemless IM between phones and msn/yahoo, including full presence detection. (With the current ICQ setup you have to send the message to the phone, not just the persons icq account).
PS: When will the US just actually understand the importance of text messaging in todays youth culture?????
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If I had ICQ on my cell phone, I'd just have to smash it. They are annoying and intrusive enough as it is. Might as well just chain me to my desk at work.
I sig, therefore I am.
When American Standard releases a new toilet, are we gonna hear about it here first?
If it has an integrated web camera, then yes.
*ducks*
there will be seemless IM between phones and msn/yahoo
Seemless?
Perhaps you meant 'seamless'.
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This phone is a TriBand phone, which means it operates on GSM900, GSM1800 and GSM1900. I have a TriBand Motorola and it works like a charm. One would have to get a subscription with a GSM provider in the U.S but that's not a big issue.
I see the big issue being the expensiveness of GSM in the U.S for being one reason why the phones don't see marketing time here before anywhere else. In several European countries you can buy a pre-paid SIM card, which you can refill every so often - as needed. You don't pay for incoming calls, so they last for a long time. VoiceStream in the U.S has pre-paid cards as well, however the minutes you buy are very expensive and they EXPIRE after two months as if your money isn't good anymore.
If GSM phones are supposed to go mainstream, something like this needs to happen. The main problem is that the public has the idea that a cell phone costs at least $49/mo with 400 minutes. It doesn't have to.
But anyway, yes you can buy one in Europe and have it shipped here and it would work. It does have GSM1900 support.
Wealth is the product of man's capacity to think. -Ayn Rand
That's just fine, I submited a link to the same site about the new Linux Telepong phone which is far more revolutionary, and my story got rejected.
All of this cell phone text messaging technology is aburdly stupid. It's useless, in my opinion.
Instead of wasting time on this useless capability, we should really be investing in new voice recognition technologies.
What a crazy idea!
I say "Remember to pick up kids" into my cell.
On the screen, a note is saved reading "Remember to pick up kids"
Just like when I speak to my Power Mac: "Empty trash" -- WHOA, my trash is emptied! I know it's complex technology, but believe me, headway can be made I am sure.
Only THEN will I buy these phones.
The next comment I write will be ready soon, but subscribers can beat the rush and see it early!
Probably quite official also. :-)
It looks like ICQ on the mobile phone is closer than ever!
Great, now I can lose important messages where ever I am!
Thanks, but I'll wait for a Java capable phone that'll run a Jabber IM client.
..viruses?
Funny, on Wednesday of last week I submitted a story to SlashDot (which was denied) about how VoiceStream announced (press release) that they've just completed their nationwide upgrade to GSM/GPRS. But I guess since they're not AT&T, noone noticed.
VoiceStream's new iStream network can run at speeds up to 56 kilobits per second and averages up to 40 kilobits per second, comparable to what customers experience from a home dial-up connection, compared to 9.6 kbps limits on most other wireless networks.
VoiceStream's iStream data network is based on GPRS (General Packet Radio Services) technology - an extension of VoiceStream's GSM based wireless network. VoiceStream operates the largest GSM network in the United States, serving over 6,000 cities, and is the first carrier to offer customers access to its high-speed data services while traveling anywhere on its network nationwide.
It looks like ICQ on the mobile phone is closer than ever!
Why would anyone want this? Why would I ICQ when I can talk to someone?
Since I have teenaged kids, I can speak with some authority on txt'ing in the US. Kids have been doing it for a while - only they do it on the home PC and not through a phone. Computer usage in US homes is over 50%, while its under 25% in Europe last time I checked. Mobile phones are still viewed by US consumers as being a business tool rather than a personal item.
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"I'd never want to join a club that would have me as a member" - G. Marx
What's wrong with Nokia being the source of the "official" information?
http://www.nokia.com/phones/7650/index.html
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It's nice, for sure, but I've got one of those "what is the problem to which this is a solution?" feelings...
THL
Keeping
I wish the IRS would just lighten up and let us mail our tax dollars to our OWN crapper instead of theirs. It'd make things much simpler.
(Repost - Since when can't I stick less-than characters in plain text?)
What's wrong with Nokia being the source of the "official" information?
http://www.nokia.com/phones/7650/index.html
:::
The Nokia 7650 at a Glance:
Availability: Europe, Africa, Asia Pacific
Weight: 154 g
Dimensions: 114 x 56 x 26 mm
Talktime: 2 - 4 h
Standby time: 90 - 230 h
Key features: Integrated digital camera, picture
taking and sending, MMS (Multimedia Messaging
Service), photo album for storing pictures, GPRS,
an advanced user interface, joystick navigation
and a color display
Operating frequency: EGSM900/1800 in
Europe, Africa, Asia Pacific
Imaging resolution: (VGA, 640x480 pixels)
Graphical color display (176x208 pixels,
35x41mm)
[SNIP]
:::
It's nice, for sure, but I've got one of those "what is the problem to which this is a solution?" feelings...
Oh, and I forgot to say "Erk - moving parts!". I don't want moving parts, as mechanical things fail. Heving said that, Nokia want you to buy a new phone every two years or more frequently anyway.
THL
Keeping
of this crap..=)
I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!
This phone supports MID-P
I guess it'd be pretty easy to port a native Jabber client to symbian OS too...
that said, I don't really see the benefit in IM on a GSM phone - how does it differ from SMS exactly?
I had a huge problem finding the phone I wanted, still haven't found it. I only need to be able to call someone, no sms, no games, no camera, no internet, just the phone (and the phone book, thats a useful feature). Why can't I get a phone without all that crap? It would be small and cheaper. The most lame of all these features is the games, that is just stupid. IT A PHONE, no a freaking gameboy. And sms ? I don't get it, why don't you call the person ?
I don't like phones.
I didn't say it was your fault. I said I was going to blame it on you.
Do you realise how heavy the new crapware is they release? Do I have to buy a new computer just to be able to do what I did more than 2 years ago with perfectly working software. I cannot buy a top notch PC for everyone in my family, so my sis has to do with a P166 and guess who uses ICQ most? Yes, my sis....
How can reverting to TCP-only (it probably is TCP only, because UDP is connectionless and doesn't ensure that packets arrive at destination) when the older version support BOTH? If the older versions support both they should be able to communicate with the newer ones reverting to TCP... Besides, there has always been "server over server" and now even that doesn't work. Sorry, I don't grasp your logic: if it wasn't for your low ID I'd suspect you for posting this as pure and utter flamebait.
Ahhh...the great dumpster continuum. Many a free computer will be found there. -- sowth (748135)
s/"server over server"/"send over server"/g
Ahhh...the great dumpster continuum. Many a free computer will be found there. -- sowth (748135)
Looking at this photo of the new phone, it seems like they took the basic form straight out of The Matrix... the back of the phone looks like it pops down for off-hook mode.
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Over 4 years ago Nokia released the 9000 phone with a telnet client. At 9600 baud (which is pretty good) you could sit on a shell account using whatever UNIX clients you wanted to. IRC or a free ICQ client. You could also get VNC for it. so you had 640x200 res 8grayscale connection to any graphical unix client. Since then the 9110 provided 14,400 connectivity, 16greyscale and MUCH smaller size (roughly normal phone size and weight). Then earlier this year Nokia released the 9210 which has a 12bit colour 640x200 display (note that VGA is only 640x480 and that's pretty good). Battery life like 6 hours talk time and 80hours standby. EPOC6 (god knows what the reviewer of the linked article is on about boasting about first use of EPOC?) and 8meg SDRAM.
Yes Nokia arsed up by making it have Word Compatibility instead of a telnet client, but in the last few months a company has written a good ssh client making this (at last) almost as good as the 9110 and basically THE device for admins to use in a pub in a country village. In the UK we have almost 100% coverage all over the place, be it in the middle of fields and lakes or right in the middle of a City. ICQ? That's **cked up too. It's just a combination of about 5 other 20year old standards, like mixing talk, finger, ping, email, wall/write together.. all things that already existed. Why do I feel like nothing is progressing?
The best OS in the world comes from the UK.
Or did you mean Linux?
As a GSM service technician I can only say DONT !!! NOKIA is real crap, and it doesnt get any better...
a phone that has clear sound and no dropouts?
As long as you have a phone that runs PalmOS. Admittedly, GSM lends itself far better to this than CDMA.
Of course, there's something ironic about using a phone to chat with someone via text. Someone suggested a videophone that translates sign language into Braille was somewhere along the same line of ironic stupidity.
It doesn't have a video camera, BUT it has trippel-band coverage which is better of course in the U.S.
Nokia will release their phone in a couple of months...
Messaging != Talking!
Think about it. The people designing these phones a few years ago couldn't anticipate the SMS craze.
But people actually want it so much they're ready to tap text messages on the hugely uncomfortable numeric keypad - not bleeding edge early adopters, but even grandmas and grandpas. It's a billion business here, and the threshold is soooo much lower than 1) get PC, 2) get ICQ, 3) sit around PC waiting for something to happen.
So there must be something to it. Messaging is closer to email in form, than telephony.
I believe the cultures of email and messaging will merge, become mobile and omnipresent, and just like cell phones, perfectly culturally acceptable to keep turned off when you prefer some privacy. (Busy, away, leave a message... same thing.)
J
I dunno about ICQ on a mobile phone, but AIM on a mobile phone works right now. Check it out:
http://www.aol.com/wireless/index.adp
My point is though, once we got to Japan on our trip, I became blown away by the phones there. I have never really wanted to get one, but after seeing those I thought, crap can't wait to go back to the states to get a cell phone!
Once back, there were no cellphones that would even compare to what I saw there.
Here is a few things:
65k color screens in ultra thin phone.
Downloadable Javabased Nintendo games. Download and play, whenever you want.
People stand around in train stations doing email on their phones or surfing the web instead of telling everyone in the train about their sexual expliots of the last weekend.
We were in Shinjuku on a side street and there was a film crew filming some celebs. People grabbed their cell phones and took digital pics of the goings on and emailed their friends right from the side street.
Point is: Japanese cell phones are cool. I wish we had the services that they had.
some links:
http://www.eetimes.com/story/OEG20011116S0107
http://www.cnn.com/TECH/computing/9909/20/bandai.c ell.phone.idg/
http://foma.nttdocomo.co.jp/english/terminals/inde x.html
credit me when I get a wrong number on my cell phone, or do I still have to argue with the phone company that I shouldn't be charged for the incoming wrong number to my phone?
I'm all for the new whistles and bells that they've been sticking into the new phones, full color displays, better batterytime, etc. But I just wish that they'd spend just as much on improving the customer service.
Goran
Carpe Scrotum - The only way to deal with your competition.
How the hell can nokia release a phone without 1900?
When will there be a slashdot for WAP? I want it and I want i now!
Java and code signing
Of course Ikea (in case you couldn't tell by colors) is a Swedish company. However, they sell at least as much Finnish furniture as they sell Swedish furniture. Yes, they also sell a ton of Danish and Norwegian furniture.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty to purchase a little temporary Safety deser-- Ooh! PUPPIES!!"
.sig award for that one.
Wakko Warner should win some kind of
- Bluetooth
- WAP
- HSCSD (up to about 40k bandwidth)
- Java
- Snake!
They're only mentioned deep in the spec.And of course, no mention of how much it'll cost or when it'll really become available
I think Nokia is just trying to steal the thunder from the debut of the Ericsson T68 phone.
IMHO, this is the first phone Ericsson has ever made that gets almost everything right. The size is perfect, no antenna to poke me painfully in the gonads, no "cutesy" features like a silly keyboard cover that breaks off on six months.
This phone is almost a perfect phone! It has US coverage (1900 MHz), bluetooth (I love my Palm BT dongle!), color screen (cool games), amazing standby time (750+ hours, wow), GPRS, syncable with my Palm desktop data, and more.
The UI does need a bit of work below the first icon level, the color screen could be improved, and the menus are a bit confusing. Otherwise, a perfect phone!
Life is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
William Shakespeare
I don't want to drag this discussion into a political debate, but just as a note: Few years back an American company sued the Finnish government for protectionistic politics because they could not get a licence for building a TDMA (or CDMA or something, can't remember) network to Finland. The argument was basicly that free competition of different mobile phone standards would be in the best interest of the customers. Comparing the mobile phone penetration and the wide usage GSM phones have in Europe and Asia this argument seems dubious at best. My phone works here in Finland and Hong Kong and I don't have to think about it, the only place it would not work is the USA. It seems that a goverment enforced standard and free competition inside that standard is in the best interest of the consumers..
"There is a terrorist behind every bush"
It seems that this new phone has Symbian as does new 9210 Communicator which I have.
I used to think, that old 9110 Communicator was slow and unreliable, but this new 9210 sucks even more.
And software upgrades suck too, some bugs fixed, some added. You need to reboot the phone couple times per day to use it, if it doesn't do it by itself.
I suspect, that they have used Java in wrong places (which would match all places) and other trend-technologies to kill usability and stability.
And with this product announcement cycle, old phoes are thrown away before the bugs get fixed. (9110 is frozen even it has serious bugs and it's still sold)
Where are all those Linux based PDAs, PCMCIA GPRS capable GSM cards and GPL'ed software!?!
I wan't to run my Pine and Slrn in some stable platform. I wan't to write my on address book, calendar and others. I want email directly to a developer and discuss about the grave bugs and submit patches. That's future, that's what will survive. Was it small laptop or Yopy or some other device running Linux - I don't care.
I'm sicken tired to this proprieatary 'Application error in address 0x8000000' shit. There must alternative choices left.
Uh... Because this is a phone for the European Market, and no european network is 1900Mhz.
1900Mhz is just a Nobbled GSM standard to provide a barrier to entry to the US market for European phone manufacturers.
So... In answer to your question. The answer is that Nokia can release a phone with 1900 because the US is not the centre of the world! (SHOCK!)
I'm an european, and would hardly consider bying a phone that doesn't have 1900.
Europe dense populated?
... whats the problem?..
well... not scandinavia...
...we use GSM 900/1800 anyway
...of course the coverage is not 100 % as with the old NMT450 system but.......
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bleh
Built in flashlight.
I mean, everyone is carrying a cellphone nowdays and while very few of us need a webbrowser or PDA in it, almost everyone needs a flashlight sometimes!
The batteries are already there, just add a white LED and I'd never again have to use dim illumination of the phone display to light my way in some unexpected dark place..
I'd like a prototype from a first company to make one :-)