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I, on the other hand, like MS better than Verisign.

If I don't want to use IE, I don't have to. I am not forced to use their product or to see their ads if I choose differently.

Having a poor browser does not break any other Internet applications. This does.

Evil. Evil, I say!

This claimer: Having MSIE bundled with Windows poses no problem for me, I see it as they include Notepad instead of Word and Calculator instead of Excel. So why not let them include Internet Explorer instead of a real browser? However, I dislike sites that require it. It's like mailing around text files that need Notepad to read... Rude.

Shows up fine in Opera...

Well, Opera just released preview 2 of 7.5, and man oh man is it ever good. Loads of new features and improvements. Tons of bug and crash fixes. And it's even faster too at rendering pages, start time, and m2 the mail/news component. It's also got an IRC chat in there and RSS feeds. Remember, this is just a preview of what's to come, it will surely be improved when the final is released. The forums to discus and download this software for Windows is at The MyOpera Beta testing forum.

For the Linux/BSD/Solaris users don't worry. Preview 2 will be out soon for you.

Enjoy!

Well, Opera just released preview 2 of 7.5, and man oh man is it ever good. Loads of new features and improvements. Tons of bug and crash fixes. And it's even faster too at rendering pages, start time, and m2 the mail/news component. It's also got an IRC chat in there and RSS feeds. Remember, this is just a preview of what's to come, it will surely be improved when the final is released. The forums to discus and download this software for Windows is at The MyOpera Beta testing forum.

For the Linux/BSD/Solaris users don't worry. Preview 2 will be out soon for you.

Enjoy!

Well, Opera just released preview 2 of 7.5, and man oh man is it ever good. Loads of new features and improvements. Tons of bug and crash fixes. And it's even faster too at rendering pages, start time, and m2 the mail/news component. It's also got an IRC chat in there and RSS feeds. Remember, this is just a preview of what's to come, it will surely be improved when the final is released. The forums to discus and download this software for Windows is at The MyOpera Beta testing forum.

For the Linux/BSD/Solaris users don't worry. Preview 2 will be out soon for you.

Enjoy!

Well, Opera just released preview 2 of 7.5, and man oh man is it ever good. Loads of new features and improvements. Tons of bug and crash fixes. And it's even faster too at rendering pages, start time, and m2 the mail/news component. It's also got an IRC chat in there and RSS feeds. Remember, this is just a preview of what's to come, it will surely be improved when the final is released. The forums to discus and download this software for Windows is at The MyOpera Beta testing forum.

For the Linux/BSD/Solaris users don't worry. Preview 2 will be out soon for you.

Enjoy!

Or just disable autoplay for embedded sounds and movies like the rest of us in the cube farm...

Actually, I thought I'd done this. I run Opera, and F12 brings up a menu where one of the options is "Activate sounds in web pages" (or something like that -- I'm running the French version, just for kicks). It's unchecked, but I still run into the occasional annoyance.

Still, it's not as bad as my fellow cubesters' annoying polyphonic ringtones, so I guess I'm safe for the moment.

Besides giving you a more secure feeling, Opera's features will show you that IE is an uninspired lump.

get Opera. hit F12. turn off Plugins, java, animated gifs, and what the hell, javascript too. thank god most ads are done with flash nowadays and dever defile my precious screen. need to see em? hit F12. offtopic as all hell but opera rules.

We've been down that path and the result is a browser that is bug ridden and hasn't been updated in years

Sorry to break this to you, but you don't know what you are talking about. I suggest you take IE, Mozilla und Opera through the usual HTML/CSS test suites. I also suggest to open 30-40 pages in all three browsers on a standard machine and see what happens.

Also, the point of "no updates in years" is grotesque. Opera A/S is developing this browser for various platforms, with a 7.5 preview for Windows and Linux that is running circles around every browser in the market.

That "small company in Norway" is supported by a great community, they listen to their customers, and they have neither a political/religious "agenda" (the browser as the "spearhead" in a "war" - please ...) nor do they use it as a tool to sell an OS/service/whatever. They just want to provide a great browser and earn some money with it. I can totally relate to that.

BTW, all this "payware = evil" talk is becoming so incredibly boring. Opera is circa 40 Euros/dollars. This investment - and it was voluntary, as there is an ad-supported version - has saved me hundreds of hours due to Opera's stability, the fast renderer and the superior controls (mouse gestures, spatial navigations etc.).

Frankly Opera just don't have much of a future for general Internet browsing

Code to the standards, and make sure your clients realize that even though "everybody" uses IE, it is a relic, essentially unchanged since version 5.0, released in March 1999. More importantly, IE still has poor support for W3C recommendations that existed for years prior to version 5.0. These things make sites harder to implement, take longer, and therefore will cost more. Your clients will understand that.

Evangelize standards compliant browsers, both for your clients and for the users on their sites. Web developers are the only people who can drive these changes in the general public.

There's a difference. Microsoft only do it at the application layer, with a particular browser that they provide. If you don't like it (and I can't see why anyone would), you can always switch to one of the many alternatives. Verisign's site finder operates at the DNS level. It's not as if you can choose to not use DNS, or switch to another name service.

Buy the Opera Web browser to get all the Internet power tools you need, while surfing ad-free.

And to get back to the original problem, put a pr0n picture in the document and the google ad server will not be used. Don't know how they decide there is sensitive data in a page, but if it's just https then that would be a very easy solution:

In certain situations, the ad served in the Opera browser banner will not be served by Google and will instead be an internal Opera ad. These situations include when Google does not have access to the page content, the page contains sensitive content, the page is suspected to contain pornography, or Google's targeting engine is temporarily down.

Buy the Opera Web browser to get all the Internet power tools you need, while surfing ad-free.

And to get back to the original problem, put a pr0n picture in the document and the google ad server will not be used. Don't know how they decide there is sensitive data in a page, but if it's just https then that would be a very easy solution:

In certain situations, the ad served in the Opera browser banner will not be served by Google and will instead be an internal Opera ad. These situations include when Google does not have access to the page content, the page contains sensitive content, the page is suspected to contain pornography, or Google's targeting engine is temporarily down.

• The Opera browser sends Google the URL of the web page you are
  visiting and your IP address (with the exceptions Opera filters
  out -- see below)
• Google tries to determine your general geographic location based on your
  IP address, to better target the ads
• The Google ad server consults Google's web database to find out what kind of content
  is on that page
• Ads that are deemed most relevant are then served based on geographic location
  and the Web page accessed

xxxxxxx.upc-g.chello.nl - - [10/Feb/2004:02:23:53 +1100] "GET /temporary/sooted.jpg HTTP/1.1" 200 74339 "-" "Opera/7.23 (X11; Linux i686; U) [en-GB]"
crawler8.googlebot.com - - [10/Feb/2004:02:28:39 +1100] "GET /temporary/sooted.jpg HTTP/1.0" 200 74339 "-" "Mediapartners-Google/2.1 (+http://www.googlebot.com/bot.html)"

Opera doesn't even send such urls to Google.

-Check out their message board and see all the ways Opera can look. With great keyboard shortcuts, the layout can be very simple, with minimal screen space needed.

-Double click on a word or highlighting text brings up a context menu, allowing you to copy to text or note, search on, check dictionary or encyclopedia, translate the words go to a url or email someone.

Also whenever I use Yahoo! mail with Opera and I am entering my password, the prompt JUMPS to the user name box and the characters that I type appear appended to my user name. Again this doesn't happen in Internet Explorer.

have you ever heard of feature in Opera called Wand?

Opera is a nice browser, but honestly how many people do you know that actually regged it?

Well. Let's see.. Opera is the standard browser on:

• All Sendo X phones
• Nokia 7700
• Nokia 6600
• Sony Ericsson P900
• Sony Ericsson P800
• BenQ P30
• Motorola A920
• Nokia 9210i
• Psion Revo+
• Sharp Zaurus

in addition to being available as perhaps the only real browser for Nokia 3650/7650, Nokia N-Gage and Siemens SX1, and Opera also has partnerships with several companies

Opera is a nice browser, but honestly how many people do you know that actually regged it?

Well. Let's see.. Opera is the standard browser on:

• All Sendo X phones
• Nokia 7700
• Nokia 6600
• Sony Ericsson P900
• Sony Ericsson P800
• BenQ P30
• Motorola A920
• Nokia 9210i
• Psion Revo+
• Sharp Zaurus

in addition to being available as perhaps the only real browser for Nokia 3650/7650, Nokia N-Gage and Siemens SX1, and Opera also has partnerships with several companies

They already have a product (so no money needed to front the development).

According to this page on the Opera site, the product was, in fact, self-financed until 1999, when the company borrowed $15 million, perhaps to finance the phone browser, perhaps to compete more aggressively on the desktop. The company says the money was borrowed from "financial investors," which could mean a bank, venture fund, private "angel" investors, relatives or personal credit cards.

All of these investors have one thing in common: they expect to be paid back, plus a premium for putting their money at risk. Imagine being tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt and then imagine there is a way to pay off all of those debts and also avoid going to bankers for new capital for a long time, possibly forever. This is the appeal of an IPO.

Also, even if there is no debt to pay off, issuing shares has the distinct advantage over any other kind of debt in that it does not have to be paid back. If you blow the money, you may get booted personally as CEO but your company will not be foreclosed upon and sold or liquidated ... excepting a hostile takeover. Of course, this "free money" does come at the cost of control of the company.

But why bother when FireBird (now FireFox)/Galeon/Mozilla is just as good (better)? Well, as far as I know there isn't yet a version of any of these I can run on my Nokia 3650 phone (Symbian OS). That's why I have Opera. (Then again, as long as T-Mobile's t-zones service is apparently blocking access to port 443, having any web browser on the phone's only "partly useful" to begin with...)

Here's another good reason to support them. Fight stupidity with humor, not lawsuits.

Anybody know of an even _lighter_ browser, preferably gecko-based, that will work on Solaris? Binaries would be nice :)

try the 7.5 preview (preview 2 should come soon) it's rock solid and back/forward crash you mention has been fixed.

ah finally a browser that uses up huge amount of ram, it was going to waste there sitting unused.

And I've been running 7.5 preview 1 since December and it hasn't crashed once.

When Mozilla 1.6 crashes for the tenth time in 3 hours you know it's time to upgrade

IHT? Yuck. Side scrolling javascript web pages...

I must have missed out on those "enhancements" by running Opera. No wonder people love IE so much -- that sounds almost as good as unclosable popups! I myself find life far too enjoyable -- I'll have to start surfing with IE so I can be as irritated as the rest of the Internet. :)

If you use Konqueror, you'll certainly want to upgrade. Apple's Safari team has committed substantial changes to KHTML. It's easily the fastest browser in KDE.

Uh, no it's not, Opera is the fastest browser in KDE and Linux for that matter.

Not all of them.

I use Opera and haven't once had a security related problem with it. It works great and gets better with each new release, like with Opera 7.5 preview 1

I use Opera and haven't once had a security related problem with it. It works great and gets better with each new release, like with Opera 7.5 preview 1

It's also been a hotter-than-usual topic on Usenet. There really seemed to be a mass exodus from IE over the last couple of weeks, perhaps due to what people feel is blatant neglect by Microsoft.

I left IE as well last week, opting instead for Opera, and really couldn't be happier. Screw 'em, I want my tabbed browsing!

So you don't have to match up the knowledge base numbers in WindowsUpdate:

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I for one would definately love to see Microsoft build a decent search engine. One without bias, without specific software requirements, without...(you get the idea).
The only way that Google is going to continue to improve on an already outstanding engine is through competition - even from Microsoft! Additionally, a good, well-built product range, fair Microsoft company would be nicer to have than the current (read: "so far has been") incarnation. Yes! There, I've said it - I want Microsoft to succeed: but only as a respected IT company delivering uncompromised less buggy (let's not get too carried away here) software/products without man-handling of smaller companies, aggressive take-overs, lies/FUD and what not.

However, there are times when you feel a particular company has crossed that psychological "screw-you" line far too often and so you don't hold your breath for much longer than a BogoMip when hearing about their "Next Big Thing TM".
Mind you, if Microsoft does make it decent, my bet is that /.ters may actually use it, if it's good enough. I would like to think that we're a breed of people that have better moral values than to stoop to simply not using a product because Mr Gates et al have had their sticky paws over it. We won't bash Microsoft regardless of the quality of the product - we have SCO for that now ;-)

"Assuming, of course, that Microsoft builds a better search engine, of course."
As someone once said to me: "Rule Number One: Never Assume.

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