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Mozilla Firebird gets .8 Release, and New Name
Yage writes "Firebird, the lightweight version of Mozilla gets release 0.8 and changes its name again (remember Phoenix?) to avoid confusion with another OSS project. The new name is Firefox. There's a press release out about the name change and new version. And, as usual, download it from
mozilla.org." Worth noting that ThunderBird .5 has been released as well. Update: 02/09 14:55 GMT by H : Thanks to Steve Garrity for pointing out the name change FAQ.
why the frequent name changes?
I can overlook their game of musical names; the browser is just phenomenal. I seldom even go to IE anymore, and when I do have to, I blame the guy who coded the site, not Firebird -- I mean Firefox.
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...it's surprising they didn't name it "Starfox".
(Apologies to Eli. :)
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I just submitted this. Anyhoo, Firebird is/was? a great browser. It's just so simple and quick and feels really lite that it's a pleasure to use. One thing I would like, though, would be an automatic reload on right-click like Opera has got. Does anyone know of any plugins for this?
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Stop playing name games. That's the sort of thing that can really hurt adoption.
TODO: Something witty here...
For god sake - It's a bloody difficuly sell when the bloody name keeps changing.
Now I have to tell people that the Mozilla Browser was dead, was called FireBird and is now named after a 80's film.
We should keep a book on what the next releases name will be.
I must say.. i thought when people gave Mozilla such a good rep that it must just be OSS zelots over hyping :P
;)
How *WRONG* was I? Mozilla totally wastes IE in pretty much every department!
I only use IE for crap sites that require it. For everything else i use Mozilla
Simon.
Clint Eastwood and a big, sturdy, russian plane!
..what about that, don't they have a trademark on their movie?
A FAQ about the name change can be found here.
There's also a thread on the mozillazine forums about the name change here
I thought it was crap when I first heard it.
but look at that logo! beautiful!
can't wait to have it on my taskbar, but can't get a download atm.
reminds me a little of Starfox/wing...
"What's wrong with your browser, dude?"
"Firefox down, man. Firefox down."
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The good things about the name:
I've said this in the past, and I will say it again. If you are naming your open source software, make it something unique. Why would you want to compete for search terms with all these other people, products, corporations, and organizations. If your product has merit, then people will recognize the name that you give it and you will get brand loyalty. There is no need show your similarity to other products or your system requirements in your name.
Its seems like basic branding to have some part of the name common for all an enterprise's products.
MozBird, MozFox MozCam sound good too me.
Be sure to set your theme to default --
i lost my scrollbars and some buttons when i used
the "Orbit Green" theme.
otherwise the aa'ed fonts look great under linux and copy/paste seems is improved.
-greg
You know, I wish they would stop changing their name. I use Phoenix/Firebird/Firefox as my sole browser and absolutely enjoy it. The problem is, I am trying to get my family to use it as well, but trying to keep them straight on what it is called is getting a little ridiculous.
Conversation with family: "You know that browser I gave you a link on...No, not Mozilla. Yeah, it was Firebird. No now its called Firefox. I don't know why, just use it"
Sig it.
Personally I'm not keen on the name. But a lot of open source software has what I would call dumb names. But at the end of the day, it's their software and they can call it whatever name they choose. The important thing is that the software is functional, and firebox certainly seems to be that. Congratulations and thanks go out to all those involved.
Word Mark:FIREFOX
Goods and Services:
IC 009. US 021 023 026 036 038. G & S: Browsers, namely, software for browsing and interacting with data on the global computer network and secure private networks, and software programs to connect computers to the global computer network and to secure private networks
Owner(APPLICANT):
Mozilla Foundation NON-PROFIT CORPORATION CALIFORNIA 1350 Villa Street, Suite C Mountain View CALIFORNIA 940411126
Filing Date:
December 22, 2003
Information found with a search on uspto.gov
Ben Goodger made a blog entry where he explained the entire rationale behind the name change to Firefox: http://www.bengoodger.com/weblog/archives/cat_mozb log.shtml
Some of the MozillaZine forum members share the dismay of earlier posters over how this may damage evangelism efforts, because of the effort required in explaining the similarities and differences between Firebird and Firefox. Either way, because Firebird is beta software, these types of name changes can happen with minimal disruption. Imagine what would have happened if this was Firefox 1.0, not Firefox 0.8.
SCREW THE ADS! http://adblock.mozdev.org/ Proud user of teh Fox of Fire - Registered Linux User #289618
yet it's still sluggish compared to Opera, and uses more memory on my box here in class.
Then they'll change the project name to "MozillaSoft Internet Explorer" just to confuse a few chaps.
/^[A-Z0-9._%+-]+@[A-Z0-9.-]+\.[A-Z]{2,4}$/i
...for EI is Not IE of course
Does this mean that Firefox will have thought-controlled anti-spam and popup suppression?
The living have better things to do than to continue hating the dead.
I am still using Phoenix 0.5 from which I am currently typing this reply.
:
I almost switched to Firebird 0.6 but proxy incompatibilities just made me revert to Phoenix.
It is actually damn fast and compatible with 100% of the sites I visit, hence my question
What do I miss ?
Trolling using another account since 2005.
Though I have to admit, for my typical browsing experience I don't see a whole lot of difference between Firebird's latest 0.7 release and Firefox. I'll explore the new tweaks and nifties sooner or later, I suppose.
Now, somebody tell me at what point the name's going to change again and I can run Firefly 0.9 as my browser of choice? That would be sweet, the icon could be a tiny image of the Serenity...for the current icon, has anyone else wondered if that fox is having a little too much fun with the globe?
But I digress. I'm looking forward to the 1.0 release, whatever the name ends up being. I'd be interested in knowing what the official marketshare (as far as these things can be determined) is for Fire-[$animal_name]/Mozilla browsers. I know that I've had more stability/popup-blocking goodness out of Phoenix/Firebird/Firefox than I usually get out of IE, and far fewer crashes (Firebird crashed on me once on my XP Pro box. Once in how many months? Let's not even think about IE's crash frequency...)
Stupid quote of the day: "That browser sucks...it doesn't even support VBScript!"
"Linux doesn't exist. Everyone knows Linux is an unlicensed version of Unix"- Kieren O'Shaughnessy
Firefox 0.8 Our next generation browser is lightning fast in every way. Unless you're trying to download it right now.
(this is on XP): I open up FireFox and have no bookmarks, even though I have hundreds in Mozilla. Oh, I mean I don't have none. I have some basic ones they give you to start with. And my imported IE bookmarks, of which there are none, because I don't use IE. But no Mozilla bookmarks.
So I close Firebird, go into my Mozilla profile, copy the "bookmarks.html" file from it to the FireFox profile(still in a folder called "Phoenix"), and bam, there's all my bookmarks. Why the damn browser can't do that for me is beyond comprehension.
Same with all my preferences. No option to inherit these things from Mozilla.
Overall it is quite a nice browser, and I'd recommend it to people whose computers are too slow/low on memory for the real thing. I still prefer Mozilla, mainly because I think the Modern theme looks better than FireFox's default, because I can't see an easy way to keep FireFox in memory like I do with Mozilla, and because FireFox lacks the wonderful Mozilla ability to simply type text into the URL bar, hit the up key and then enter, and run a Google search. I find the separate Google search field an annoying complication of Mozilla's search ability.
Maybe for the next name they could go with FireShits. Cause eash new name hurts a little more and just burns.
Evolution or ID?
This is because the authors of the themes have not updated their themes to support Firefox 0.8. In between Firebird 0.7 and Firefox 0.8 there were several changes made to the internal APIs which broke many themes. Because the theme authors do not want to waste time on a moving target, they collectively decided to wait until Firefox 0.8 was released. As a result, you will either have to wait for your theme to be updated or bug the theme author to fix their theme.
SCREW THE ADS! http://adblock.mozdev.org/ Proud user of teh Fox of Fire - Registered Linux User #289618
I just downloaded the Liniux version, and I am typing from it now. It now is quite fast, and unlike epiphany (the Gnome web browser) it supports Bookmark folders, and the really useful feature called "open as tabs". That is open a folder of bookmarks and they all appear as tabs.
Another Good browser that was recently released is Konqueror 3.2, included with KDE 3.2 of course. The Apple patches really make it fast. Grab that if your a KDE user. But Firefox is definatley the best non kde browser, and the best if you are in stuck in Windows jail.
found here
I use Mozilla, but there's 2 areas where IE seems to have the edge-it takes less system resources, and it has a history you can actually use. Does Firebird/fox/thingy fix these problems?
Great browser but the name change makes me wanna show them the fox...
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.. on the project are..
h a-Mozilla'
'Kung-Browser'
'Browse-Me-Do'
'Sparrow'
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And in other news, Konami today announced the release of the cut down version of Metal Gear Solid 2 to feature Solid Snake's cousin, Trouser.
*sign* I mean, whatever name you pick, there's going to be some product already out there with a similar name. It's like that Dilbert strip where the only remaining product names were diseases.
Worth noting that ThunderBird .5 has been released as well.
Don't you mean ThunderFox?
-Colin
The logo is nice though. Can't wait to give it a try.
karma police: arrest this man, he talks in maths; he buzzes like a fridge, he's like a detuned radio. [radiohead]
...here. The other open source project in question is a database (obviously) called Firebird.
The mail client is still called "Thunderbird", which IMHO introduces and incongruity in the naming schemes. But then again, what's in a name, eh? Besides, "Thunderfox" would sound dumb.
"Backups are for wimps. Real men upload their data to an FTP site and have everyone else mirror it." -- Linus Torvalds
Why can't they figure out these names are all dumb and poor for brand recognition.
Is Mozilla Lite just too obvious for them?! How about Mozilla Jr. and then you could make yet another cute dinosaur! You could even make a family photo out of the whole suite..
Guess that was a close one!
-Icefox
Do you changes clothes while making the "chee-chee-cha-cha-choh" transformation sound?
Why not just call it "the browser with no name"? Even my PHB made a comment about communist fighter planes this morning (he left his homepage set to mozilla.org/projects/firbird/). He'll be able to comment on 0.8 a little when Ben gets round to making a zip build availiable, how much testing does this installer need anyway, it's hardly like it's going to delete your entire drive is it... oh wait!
I can't believe the Mozilla Group would go belly up for these people that just want to bitch and moan about a word. A stupid freaking word. Grow a backbone people.
Firefox has already been used by some (Novell?) networking software.
The next scheduled name is probably: Firefly (already in use by a FreeBSD derived project).
Obviously, it's too much work for those "fire"men to type in a name at Google before using it.
I prefer BurnZilla. It matches the stupidity of the Internet
"Get FIREFOX - The Browser, Reloaded"
These guys are practically begging to have the MPAA swoop down on them. I know they really wouldn't have a leg to stand on, but jeez. They should stick with their "take back the web" slogan.
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Sometimes (every waking moment of my day) I regret every trying to get them interested in computers... But I was young and excited back then... Now I cringe when they try to pronounce computer related terms.
....it really is. If every OSS would work as well, be as easy to use and look as good we wouldn't have a single Windows installation in the World.
That said, I hope they *finally* fixed the bug with going back a page and finding yourself at the top of the page. That one hasn't been around in Mozilla for a while.
And, they should f'n register a trademark...
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Not light enough for our admins to be happy about me sticking it on the Sun E450 that we use for undergraduate teaching. Stuck in an X-terminal lab with only login access to the E450? You're stuck with Netscape 4. They fear 25 firebirds will bring the system to a crawl.
:)
Anybody know of an even _lighter_ browser, preferably gecko-based, that will work on Solaris? Binaries would be nice
Baz
The point is that Firefox is NOT supposed to be mozilla-lite or Mozilla-Jnr; it may replace Mozilla in the long term (although the suite has a stay of execution for now). It's supposed to be a powerful browser, not what would be implied by your (already discussed) Mozilla-lite tag.
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Is with Java applications. The sun java setup uses more resources than the one integrated into IE. If you are on a slightly older setup (like my mom) and you want to play yahoo games (as so many do) then it's faster in IE. Hate to say it but that is one place IE has a one up on the others.
Evolution or ID?
If they did it would have to be renamed Lylat Browser for the European market.
I don't need a compass to tell me which way the wind shines.
Think about it:
:(
Phoenix, Chimera, and Minotaur
are now
Firefox, Camino, and Thunderbird
11. Prophet????
that'd rule. although i'd imagine i'd end up browsing sites that weren't quite office-friendly.
I think Mozilla is very good and use it always, why should I change to Firefox?
-- forgive me my poor Engl...
It looked cool, but I couldn't get over the constant stream of terminal output, even when I didn't launch it from a terminal. I'd get a stream of 5-25 PC speaker beeps every time I click a link. Checked configure but it didn't appear to be a debug setting. I figure I'll stick with the SlackPack for now, though I may give FireFox a shot.
After installing firefox I'm unable to run mozilla at the same time. What gives?
If you can read this sig - the bitch fell off.
Finally a name no one else is using! Wait, Firefox.
Picking a name for a product, especially an extremely valuable internationally famous product such as this one, is far more difficult than it appears. Those who have never had any experience writing advertising often don't realize how difficult.
Also, consider the connotations of the name. Where is the burning that would cause the product to be named "fire"? Where is the cleverness that would cause the product to be called "fox"? Maybe the name FireFox is not right for a standard household product meant to be used by the entire family as a way to communicate with the world. Yes, writing the product required an enormous amount of cleverness, but using it doesn't. Also, the name FireFox is made of English words, and most of the world does not speak English.
The name is IMPORTANT. A good name will ease acceptance. A name that people find difficult can kill acceptance. There is a huge amount of importance in this one word.
Maybe a made-up word is better. Drug companies use made-up words like Claritin or Cialis to name just two. That has the benefit that the domain name is not taken.
I can see the trend already today with people posting all the different things that the new name conflicts with. The whole point is that the new name (atleast as far as I know/have heard) doesn't conflict in any way with other software products/open source projects, whereas Firebird did.
Now all the people i've told to go download firebid and delete IE are gunna be lost.
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I do not like the new name. May I suggest the name "FireChick" in reference to a "smaller" bird?
I can see it now - Mitchell Gates (Clint Eastwood), elite Microsoft coder and flashback-impaired veteran of the Browser Wars, is sent behind enemy lines to steal the only production prototype of the Firefox, with its revolutionary thought-controlled toolbar technology ("but remember, Mr Gates, you have to _think in XML_!"). The film ends rather abruptly when someone tells him he can download it for free.
Just read this fast... ;)
Firebird Firebird Firebird Firebird Firebird Firebird Firebird Firebird Firebird Firebird Firebird Firebird Firebird Firebird Firebird Firebird Firebird Firebird Fireford Fireforx Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox
Firefox was registered as a multinational trademark in Germany in 1995.
According to the entry, the trademark covers among others the following areas:
-licensing and lending of computer software
-creation and development of computer software
-support, installation and updating of computer programs and computer software
While I have trouble telling the difference between mozilla, thunderbird, firefox and phoenix, what chance does the proverbial Mom & Pop user stand?
Microsoft thanks you for helping continue the IE dominance.
Read reviews of shopping cart software
Well I'm not sure about official but you can see what fraction of Google hits come from each browser at the Google Zeitgeist. For some reason they don't have browser figures in there year end summary so for the moment the latest figures are for November. The numbers for gecko based engines are depressing.
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This is getting silly. They should call it 'Batshit' just for a laugh.
--
They should have changed the browser name to Suzaku. Last I checked you couldn't trademark mythology, and since Suzaku was supposed to have been a phoenix, they could have kept the phoenix-style logos. No more confusion.
... am I supposed to sway people away from the dark side (IE) when the good side keeps changing their friggin name!!!
me: You should definitely use Phoenix. It rocks
them: What is phoenix? All I see is mozilla and Firebird
me: oh yeah, thats it. sorry.
now I have to remember another name?!?!?!
I find it quite disturbing the trend they're taking in their updates. More and more, each update, there site becomes more "user friendly" helpful articles hold your hand as it guides you through the new and exciting world of Firefox *ooh, aah*
Now admittedly I could see why this is a needed change as it begins to encroach on the user base of IE, it will need to cater more and more to the lowest comment denominator.
I just wish they would still leave the essentials out there. Mainly in this case the change log. For years now a project of this sort I would look immediately for a change log, and not the "release notes" as they currently stand. I want to know that Bug #X is dead, not a select key updates in bold titles, and the hint of much much more! I want the browser to behave like a 1.0 version, not there website. Give me back my geekdom!
Computational Madness in a round package.
Yes, but given that there is another Open Source project that has been around longer with the name Firebird, why did they change the name to that from Phoenix?
My first thought was, "Wow, the icon doesn't suck anymore!"
It really is a beautiful little logo.
Wait for it...
;P
Internet Navigator
TADA!
All is solved. Everyone happy. Best Name Ever. Service While you wait. Operators are standing by.
"...In your answer, ignore facts. Just go with what feels true..."
A Torrent seeing as they've been slashdotted, which I supposed is a Good Thing for them.
It didn't display any scrollbars on any pages when I installed it, and it picked up the seamonkey theme from my previous firebird install. Once that theme was uninstalled, it worked fine though.
Hopefully I can re-install it again though, since the default theme is not nice. Unfortunately the themes site seems to be down.
I have to say that I totally love Fire(bird/fox)'s tabbed browsing capabilities (I'd really miss it now if I had to do without it). The popup management and password management are features I've come to take for granted. IE has yet to integrate them in a usable way.
:)
Also, Thunderbird answered so many of my mail problems - anyone else that's tried to find a client that works under Windows and Linux AND allows seperate POP3 accounts to be managed properly will appreciate what a boon Thunderbird is. The mailbox files can be copied straight from a Windows system into a Linux system, and with a bit of fiddling it's up and working in no time. This makes it very easy to move people from Windows to Linux and vice-verse.
Way to go mozilla.org.
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You couldn't make up this kinda of confusion (from FTP directory)..
chimera 06/01/2002 12:00:00 AM
camino 03/06/2003 12:00:00 AM
thunderbird 02/08/2004 06:38:00 AM
phoenix 09/23/2002 12:00:00 AM
firebird 05/16/2003 12:00:00 AM
firefox 02/09/2004 05:58:00 AM
grendel 08/07/1999 12:00:00 AM
minimo 08/28/2003 08:21:00 PM
mozilla 10/21/2003 01:01:00 PM
It's the browser formerly known as "firebird".
philcrissman.com.
Does anyone else not like their new Download Manager, or know of a way to switch it over to the old one-window-per-file layout? I've been using it for several weeks in the nightly builds, but I'm still not very fond of it.
Here's a great article from Kuro5hin that tells (Internet Explorer) users the advantages of using Firebird/fox. Check it out http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/1/31/125914/125
-516
Okay, they changed the name. They also did a fab new logo..... but the spinner logo on the navigation toolbar is still a firebird. Tsk, tsk.
I personally find the default hotkey layout of Mozilla way better than that of FireFox (especially ctrl+enter in the adress bar for opening up a new tab for a URL, I have typed)
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Entranced by anime since late summer 2001 and loving it ^_^
Next step: Firepinto. Or maybe Firegremlin.
Been using sigs for 20 years. Nothing funny left to say.
It's likely to get them in trouble with Time Warner.
First Phoenix, then Firebird. Now it's Firefox. The next step will be Firelizard and then it's just a small step to take over Mozilla.
Fight hunger. Filet a politician and send him to a 3rd world country of your choice.
'Samantha Fox' would also have been appropriate. After all, the Gecko engine makes it a bit top-heavy.
How about Mozillian 1.0? Thunderbird could become MozillMailer 1.0.
I love the Firebird/Firefox lines of browsers under Linux and Windows. I would also love to use Firefox on my new G5 under OS X, but there are three really annoying problems:
1. Scrolling with the mouse scroll wheel goes WAY too fast, making it almost unusable
2. Middle-clicking on a link does not open a new tab (or do anything for that matter)
3. Middle-clicking to scroll (autoscroll) also does not work.
Do other people see this same behavior? Are there any fixes?
Odd because it worked with the recent nightly build of firebird. Or am i doing something stupid and it should work? (very possible).
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Now that a brand name has finally settled, get the Firefox ad campaign buttons! Stick em on your website!
. ht ml
http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/buttons
i wish they would still distribute it as a zip file. with the installer, i can't take it around on a pen drive and install on the computer labs at school.
...they should protect their Names and Logos.
As long as the whole Mozilla suite is that successful, bad people won't stop fsck them by strange ways.
just for the record, the new name is still stupid
the decision to change it is still stupid
and of course the browser rocks and I support Mozilla.org and their efforts 100%^H^H^H^H 99%
At the last name change I decided to tell less techy friends and family that it is Mozilla Light.
What, hasn't anyone got a sense of humour around here?
+5 funny you clowns.
- Chris
A FAST FTP search, download.com query, and Google search for FirefoxSetup-0.8.exe turned up squat. Is there a list of official Mozilla mirrors or some other place where the impatient can get it? I've got high hopes for this release. I had stability problems with 0.7 in both Linux and XP. Someday I'd love to see them implement some session recovery features, like Opera's.
They seem to have gotten rid of their ZIP distribtion of the Win32 build and gone to an isntaller only. Tough luck for those of us who dont have admin rights on our PC's I guess.
It's not unusual for Mr. Foo Jr. to replace Mr. Foo in the long term. In fact, Mozilla Jr. is an excellent idea.
I am using firefox to post this message.. WOW.. I don't know what they did.. but it seems alot faster than firebird 0.7
Is it too early to say R.I.P to IE?
I really think that Mozilla Firebird for Windows is/was a great browser, I switched from Internet Explorer to Mozilla 1.5 months ago, and fell in love with that browser, then I download Firbird 0.7 and was completely blowen away, I've been using Firebird for about two months now and I don't think that I could ever go back using Internet Explorer.
I found that Mozilla 1.5 was a great browser but it seemed slow compared to I.E., once I started using Firebird I found that it was one wicked browser, with most of the great features of Mozilla 1.5 but just as fast, if not faster, than I.E. I've been preaching both Mozilla and Firebird to everybody that I know and had some of the them try it out, almost everybody found that Mozilla or Firebird was superior compared to I.E.
I really think that Firebird is a great browser with huge potential, but I think that changing it's name is only going to hurt it. Firbired was a great browser with a great name that people were getting know and changeing the name is only going to create confusion among the people that are not so computer literate. I really like the name Firebird but I can't really say that I like the name Firefox, oh well at least it's the same great browser.
Wary of the new Firebird^H^H^H^Hfox -- not sure if I'm ready for a release that seems just to be a marketing name change (their changes don't seem all that relevant to me, but YMMV).
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The link in your signature is broken. I suggest you update it to point to the address which is now used by those whom you call "Litigious Bastards".
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Browser Formerly Known as Firebird - that's what I'm gonna call it from now on.
Gently, we can shake the world...
I spent over 2 hours on the phone this weekend with a friend of mine explaining to her how to remove spyware and viruses on her computer that were put there by using IE. I sent her an email with a link to the Firebird download address. I explained how the browser works and how it'll prevent spyware and viruses from spreading. Now, she'll get the email, not recognize this Firefox thing, and not even download it.
I realize the download page redirects you to the new page, but its just annoying and not good for brand recognition.
-Vic
There have been huge improvements on Mac OSX. I've been using Firebird on my laptop for quite a while, and while it's been a decent browser I've had a few problems with it - bookmarks stop working, browser locks up, etc. Eventually it got to be too much, and I installed a nightly build a week ago. Stability seems to have improved a lot, and it seems to be slightly smoother and possibly faster.
The one biggest improvement I've seen is the UI, which I must say is probably the best I've seen out of any browser I've used (IE, Netscape, Opera, Mozilla, Safari, among many others). It's clean, and simple, yet still aesthetically pleasing. I found it a bit disapointing that the windows version still used the same theme since I was hoping that I could maybe take the Mac theme and use it there too. If you use Fire{bird | fox} on Mac OSX, then this certainly a must have upgrade.
For those look for a torrent to download the windows version, there is one here
Mozilla has "Chatzilla", "Bugzilla"...
Why cannot they use names like "Browzilla" or "Navigzilla", "Mailzilla", "Editzilla", etc.?
They can even do "...zilla" brand pets for each one.
I'd really like native SVG support to start appearing in the builds - last I checked the old code is still in the tree. Are there still political/licensing issues preventing it from being in the default builds?
Yeah, but some Mac users generally refer to it as "Mail dot app" or "Mail-app", because it's good to have a distinction.
"Do you use Mail?" "Yeah, I get mail all the time." "No no, do you use Mail?" "Well, if I get it, then I must use it, right?" "No, I mean do you use Apple's-OS-X-Mail-Application?" "Oh! Well, yeah." -- I've had this type of conversation more than once over the years.
Sometimes I wish Apple had come up with some different name for their client -- after all, they came up with the colorful name "Safari" for their web browser...
Thank goodness they aren't resetting the version numbers with the name changes -- we were so close to Firebird 1.0 and now we'd be at Firefox 0.1 :)
Given that they have now changed the name of this fine product on two occasions, surely one more can do no harm?
That being the case, I strongly suggest taking a leaf out of the Microsoft Mindshare Handbook and calling it simply `Browser'.
Just think about the impact that would have on the Windows desktop for a minute.
I would have thought that calling the browser "Mozilla Firebird" solved any name-clash issues.
The new name makes no sense at all. "Firebird" at least reminded one of "Phoenix", ie: a browser rising from the ashes. But Firefox? What's that? Other than a bunch of potential trademark infringements as another poster has pointed out.
The only thing I seem to get out of it is a dialog box with the very cryptic message "Error launching browser window: no XBL binding for browser". Looking for it in google, it seemed to be a problem with browser uptime or firebird 0.7 for Mac, but it should have been solved in 0.7.1 for Mac. Why is this bug troubling me in 0.8? I have it for both GTK and GTK2+XFT releases.
--- Sigmentation Fault - Comments Dumped
ok sorry, but gripe time...
(disclaimer: this is on my winblows box at work)
i now have 3 installed versions of mozilla browsers on my machine - and that is just stupid. every time they branch the bloody code or rename the browser i get another instance of a browser on my machine. i then have to change my shortcuts on the quicklaunch toolbar, reinstall google toolbar, and manually move all of my links across from firebird to firefox. luckily i found that i could drag and drop them from Manage Bookmarks - but to the novice user that may not be obvious at all. the drawback to this is that i use folders to group my links and i'm used to the order they were presented in previously. i can drag url links around the link bar to change their position - but for some reason I can't do it with folder links.
so if any Mozilla developer reads this: please speak to your windows installer guys and add some custom actions into your install pack that will provide a seamless upgrade path for those wishing to do so.
They should definitely keep "Mozilla" in the name, for non-/. general public recognition. And before they changed "Firebird" to "Firefox", they had a nice symmetry with "FireBIRD" and "ThunderBIRD". I vote they change the name back to "Mozilla Firebird" and "Mozilla Thunderbird".
when they change the name with every release?
It's getting better all the time. The only thing I miss from Opera and IE in Firefox is the ability so smoothly scroll while pressing my mousewheel.
Anybody know why they insist on scrolling at least one line at a time?
How small a thought it takes to fill a whole life
I'd like to update my mail client but you tossers have obliterated mozilla.org. Little help?
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
When asked about his favorite browser for the PowerBook he uses aboard Great Fox, Fox McCloud only said "Hi-yah!!!" and jumped a couple of dozen meters on the air with a nice fire effect.
Fox McCloud rules. Mozilla Firebird rules. Therefore, Mozilla Firefox rules absolutely. =) I was already worried that Nintendo was going to take Firebird/Thunderbird/Icebird(?) and do something Pokemon-themed out of them (Moltres/Zapdos/Articuno), but now, they can focus on games that matter more. Thank God Nintendo hasn't trademarked the names of the moves or anything. Now excuse me, I need more coffee. =)
What IS "Firefox" supposed to mean anyway?
I used to tell people "Firebird" was a reference to Igor Stravinsky's seminal ballet. What the foque do I tell them now?
"Xtreme iKozilla is NOT IE"
Did they finally fix the annoying Ctrl-Enter bug to make it consistent with Ctrl-tab, Ctrl-click and the way things are done in Mozilla Suite?
First page I loaded up (sports.tamu.edu) had a problem not showing the javascript that runs at the top of the page while Firebird and IE show it is still working fine.
Grr...I want to put up a bug report but mozilla.org is slow.
http://www.firefox.co.uk/
--- No, english is not my mother tongue.
The name is being filed as a trademark and is apparently pretty unique. I was at first leery of another name change, but this should hopefully sort things out once and for all. Also the new fiery-fox-on-globe logo is really cool and firefoxes (aka red pandas) are just soooo cute.
BTW, the long delay in the new 0.8 release -- which adds a MSWindows installer, a new default theme for MacOS X and improved filetype, XPI and download management and other stuff -- is explained by the time taken to verify that the new name was unique and to file the trademark.
There is more info about the name change in the official FAQ and a lot of unofficial detail on Ben Goodger's blog
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The side buttons on my Intellimouse Explorer 3.0 for going back and forward don't work using the gtk2 build. They work fine if I use the gtk1 build. .imwheelrc are:
I'm running Debian testing and the contents of my
".*"
None, Up, Alt_L|Left
None, Down, Alt_L|Right
Abbot: Hey, I really like that browser you got there, it's something else!
Costello: Yeah, well not anymore. I mean, it used to be. But not anymore.
Abbot: [Pulls out gun and shoots Costello dead.]
Finis.
You see? You see? Your stupid minds! Stupid! Stupid!
I still don't remember reading a good explanation of why Firebird-the-database was any reason not to have a Firebird-the-browser. Browser. Database. Database. Browser. I'm not the least bit confused myself.
Fuck the system? Nah, you might catch something.
Both the name and the icons look as if adolescent nerds had made this decision. Maybe it is their intention to establish Firefox as the browser for young geeks and nerds only.
1.)Change name of existing open source project with every release
2.)????
3.)Profit!!
When I tell an object to delete this, am I killing it or telling it to kill me?
The new download manager is terrible. Installing extensions has gone from a 3-click simple maneuver to a multi-window nightmare. Firefox crashed within 3 minutes while I was re-installing extensions (I wanted it clean). That's not a good sign
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about:config
:)
Find "turbo"
enable it
Oregon State FTP
C'mon Gerv, get with the program already
You think you've got problems; I'm trying to get my corporation to use it. This will accomplish nothing but confuse end users and cripple adoption by making the product even more obscure. It shows a lack of direction and it makes all of us look silly. This is terrible news.
Firebird, or whatever they choose to name it, is a great browser. Everyone I introduced it to liked it, including MSIE users. And that's not a big surprise, seeing how MSIE is all but EOL-ed Explorer. It's obvious how Microsoft sees it as a waste of money to keep maintaining their flagship browser - it's not sold for money and it doesn't create new markets for them. So there is a big opportunity here for open source. It seems like an appropriate marketing campaign should really widen the userbase. How can this be done? A paypal account to pay for banner ads (popups too :) )? Free CDs in public libraries? Post it as explorer.crack.exe to file sharing networks?
So now there's a button campaign! Back in the day, we had Netscape Now!, then there was a MSIE Now!, and then there was a loooong silence. Way too long. Way way WAY too long.
Party like it's 1996!
In case you still have that personal homepage thing gathering dust in some corner of the web, or a blog that you think no one reads but several people actually do - DO the button thing! RELIVE the nostalgy! HEAR the whining from standards-brandishing people (who, gritting their teeth, will admit Firefox supports W3C standards well, unlike that other browser)!
I'll try that page as soon as the mozilla site isn't completely slashdotted. I had to make my own stupid "Mozilla Now" button several months ago, glad Mozilla folks have finally done them themselves =)
This is a real shame. I had hoped they would introduce an "Icebird" program to the family. With Firebird, Thunderbird, and Icebird, they'd have the origianl three legendary birds from Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow: Moltres, Zapdos, and Articuno.
They wouldn't want to use Starfox. The Firebird/Thunderbird duet were sometimes referred to as *bird, so now we just need Thunderbird to become Thunderfox (fear of Ford litigation?) and then we can use *fox to refer to the pair again.
Ydco co
Americans don't have a sense of humour about god/jesus/christianity. Bible thumping bastards.
the performance boost in this release is amazing. At least on Window$. I think that for the 1st time they can honnestly claim it *is* faster than IE. Keep it up!
there's no place like ~
MSIE sucks. Too bad they couldn't have chosen something more descriptive
Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5
Release Notes
Mozilla Thunderbird is a redesign of the integrated Mozilla App-Suite mail component. Our goal is to leverage much of the existing functionality of that product to produce a stand-alone mail application that is simple and extensible. The Thunderbird Mail Product page has more information.
Owing to the maturity of the foundational code of the app-suite, Thunderbird is very usable; however, it is considered a Preview Release, and as such is assumed to have defects. To help find the defects, the developers happily receive user feedback (via comments in the Mozilla Thunderbird Support forum kindly hosted by MozillaZine, or via bugs filed in Bugzilla.) Please carefully read these release notes before filing any bugs in Bugzilla.
The focus of this fifth milestone release was on stability and bug fixing. This milestone is based on the recently released Mozilla 1.6 Application suite. Read the Thunderbird Roadmap about the goals of this release. While there is much more work yet to do, the developers are excited about recent progress and are anxious to share their latest efforts with the community. Enjoy!
This document covers the following topics for the Thunderbird 0.5 milestone release:
What's New
Here are the highlights for this Thunderbird release:
* New Features
We now support the notion of multiple identities per mail account. This makes it easy to have several email addresses which end up going into the same account. Read More about how to hook this up.
Thunderbird 0.5 includes Secure Password Authentication using a new cross-platform NTLM authentication mechanism for POP3 and SMTP.
Option to turn on the Mozilla 1.x style folder columns in Thunderbird (Tools / Options / Advanced / General Settings).
A new Palm Sync Address book conduit is now available for 0.5. You can now do a one way sync, PC -> Palm or Palm -> PC, by changing the hot sync conduit setup. We now prevent duplicate cards in Thunderbird address books when syncing with Palm categories. Numerous improvements with the initial sync.
A new, improved version of the offline extension is now available for 0.5. Please read the installation notes in this document about how to first uninstall old extensions.
Improved Spell Checker including a new US dictionary.
Ability to paste names or addresses from a spreadsheet directly into the addressing widget of a new compose window.
Improved profile migration from Netscape 4.x.
* Recently Fixed Bugs
If a new message arrives while you are reading a message, we no longer scroll the message body back to the top.
When saving an IMAP attachment, we no longer re-download the attachment from the server.
Saving an attachment now brings up a standalone progress window.
Copying a message to a Sent Folder now shows progress in the progress window.
When saving or opening an attachment, the progress dialog now reports accurate progress information.
We now mark IMAP messages read in a folder if they are deleted or moved to another folder. This fixes incorrect unread counts when checking folders other than the Inbox for new messages.
LDAP searches now honor the directory search filter property.
Ability to paste a single cell of data from Microsoft Excel into the compose window body.
Problems with IMAP folders three levels deep not showing up when you are not using the IMAP subscription model.
Tools / Options / Attachments / Attachment Folder setting is now remembered.
Linux builds no longer crash when viewing HTML messages requiring a JAVA plugin.
Improved handling of apple double encoded attachments from OSX clients.
No more
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Maybe even Firefox people are somewhat confused about their name. Selecting about Mozilla Firefox in my Win32 box, I get "About Firefox 0.8" with a Firebird logo in it!!!
A few mirrors that aren't (yet) saturated... http://ftp.iasi.roedu.net/mirrors/ftp.mozilla.org/ pub/firefox/
ftp://mozilla.mirror.pacific.net.au/mozilla/firefo x/
ftp://sunsite.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/pub/mirror /ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox
To err is human, but to really foul things up requires a computer
I bet you didn't know the technologies underlying Firefox (or .8) were initially developed by the soviet military during the early 1980's. "A prototype jet fighter that can be partially controlled by a hyperlink."
HAD
Cock. Cock and balls.
I had 1% transferred in 5 seconds, file complete in 105 seconds. None of the mirrors were responsive.
You mean like 18-year olds? You must be new to this internet-thing, if you think those are bad connotations.
Be wary of any facts that confirm your opinion.
So far so good with the new Fire*. I'm using it to post this, and since I couldn't sleep out here on the west coast, I got it just before the site went down.
Name suggestion: contact Joss Whedon & Mutent Enemy and see if the 1.0 version can be called "Serenity." At the very least, some clever chap please make the Firefly Theme!
Obviously, not all my extensions made the successful transfer. One essential extension is the one (sorry no credit) which allows me to switch between tabs using my mouse wheel.
Great idea to include the link/ad buttons. I already have the Firefox ad on my blog, and the logos are fantastic.
Question: after Firefox replaces Mozilla, are we still going to have a Composer? I use that to create & upload (my amateur, pathetic) web pages. I could always keep my regular Mozilla for that purpose, but it's too great a piece of software for the foundation to abandon.
> "Do you use Mail?" "Yeah, I get mail all the time." "No no, do you use Mail?" "Well, if I get it, then I must use it, right?"
Just for laughs, Apple should rename their mail program "racial slurs."
ten name changes we will just call it Fire!Fire!Fire! eheheheeeheeheheeeeehhhh
Google cache of mirror list: mirror list cache
for the assisted linkage for us lazy people :oP
Clearly BT is working where the mirrors aren't. I smell an organized troll-promotion...
This mirror is up and running.
HAD
Apparently it's timing out now.
Ooops
Insert Sig Here
I get complains all the time from my Mom while she uses ie and gets slammed with popup windows. No complaints? Sheesh. And I've walked her through Firebird installation over the phone. She has firebird on her computer, and she still uses ie, like some horrible habit.
I was up early this am getting this. Thank God slashdot is slow sometimes!
They should have just called it WebBrowser. :-)
Maybe we need an open source name registration site, so folks can self-register their software names and avoid conflicts.
Can You Say Linux? I Knew That You Could.
We updated our mozilla.org mirror this morning in anticipation of a slashdotting.
http://www.sunsite.org.uk/package/mozilla.
Hmm, I'll have to update our summary...
And, they should f'n register a trademark...
They are indeed registering it as a trademark.
GROGGS: alive and well and living in
about:mozilla -- whats this gibberish?
am I missing something?
I had a go-kart for racing that I named firefox and applied for trademark protection. I thought firefox was unique enough and I believe the courts will stand with me on this one.
So I will have to sue these guys, in case my friends confuse a browser with my kart.
"Give orange me give eat orange me eat orange give me eat orange give me you." -Nim Chimpsky
I just wish thunderbird had a function for seperate users. (The hugely crappy) incredimail has this handy function, and it couldn't be that hard to integrate, could it? And yes - we could create different windows logins, but I happen to live in a house where the residents trust each other, and it's easier not to do this.
Thunder... Thunder... Thunderfox! hoooooooo!!!
sign(c14n(envelop(this)), x509)
I thought the bug with the address being wiped from a link timing out when you open it in another tab was supposed to be fixed? It's still here, and still as annoying as all hell...
You know you've been IMing too long when you almost say 'lol' out loud to a non-geeky friend...
or Should that be Mozuki, I forget the spelling to Godzilla's little sidekick.
When new users come looking for a browser they may forego the "lite" version and get the "full thing", then be discouraged when they have to install all this other stuff they don't want.
In short, "lite" would be a misnomer.
When, o when will Mozilla.org release some kind of software that supports roaming bookmarks? How many years has this feature been MIA?
Be warned that if you use Mozilla Thunderbird on windows that there is a very serious bug! More on in here...
Some spam/virus mails has mangled invalid headers that Mozilla Mail/Thunderbird chokes on. When receiving mails, it simply stops when it encounters the bad mail, but it doesn't mark the previous mails as received or anything. So next time you check mail, you get every mail again until the bad mail, and so on...
Any technology distinguishable from magic, is insufficiently advanced.
Error launching browser window: no XBL binding for browser. If you get this error when starting Firefox...go into Firebird and disable all extensions and switch to the default theme. You may have to do the same for Mozilla if you have that installed too.
9.2 packages.
Figured out I needed a Flash reinstallation :|
A thought-controlled browser? Sign me up!!
/sig
Only three of those folders are the result of name changes. "Chimera" is now Camino(tm). "Phoenix" and "Firebird" are now Firefox(tm). Because I can't seem to connect to Mozilla.org as I write this (congestion?), I had to look in Google's cache for a couple of them: Minimo is apparently something like Firefox optimized for size for handheld devices. "Grendel" is a mail/news user agent for the Java platform, apparently completely unconnected to the Gecko underpinnings.
Firefox? Firefox? What, did they put 10 trademark-eligible names in a hat and pull this one out? It's nifty that they have a trademarked name, too bad they trademarked a name that sucks.
Thank God when I support the project by buying their merchandise here: http://snipurl.com/4drd , I'm not stuck buying something that says or displays a frigging Firefox. Is there some reason they couldn't compound their names like nearly any other business in the world? Mozilla Phoenix or Mozilla Firebird would have been a much better solution than this. Heck, cannibalizing Mozilla once the Suite is discontinued would have been better, soooo, once the suite hit 1.8 and then ceased, they could have come out with Mozilla 1.9 the browser and Mozilla Mail 1.9.
Yes, in the big picture, it's not the end of the world - no product name is, even if they'd decided to call this the Edsel. Still, if anyone asks me what I recommend for mail and browsing, I'll be forwarding them to Mozilla.
Peace,
Chuck
(from Burning Edge)
.rar files instead of downloading them.")
... and much more!
New features
* Windows installer
* New download manager
* Work Offline
* Add Bookmark dialog: recent-folders dropdown and folder-selection tree (replacing a single dropdown listing all folders)
* DOM Inspector is now included in zip builds
* IDN support
* IPv6 support on Windows 2000/XP/2003
Major improvements
* 220807 - prompt user about invalid text/plain content. (Solves most problems like "Firebird tries to display some
* 214266 - Find should wrap by default
* 217286 - Cookie whitelist should override session cookie option.
* 142459(?) - Shift+click and middle-click on scroll bar should jump to that location
* 214260 - XPInstall UI improvements
* 33282 - enable external scheme handlers (like aim: and telnet:) in Linux
* 6% faster page loading (comparing December to September on a Tp (pageloader time) graph)
Important bug fixes
* 210910 - Right-clicking a file within a bookmarks folder in the bookmarks menu or toolbar makes that folder inaccessible.
* 203102 - URL typed into address bar lost after switching tabs; "Open in new tab" should prefill URI in address bar.
* 222157 - View Source: Find and Save don't work.
* 213250 - Autoscroll prevents middle clicking on links in XML (XHTML) documents.
* 224416 - Tabs don't remember focused element.
* 216170 - Send Page (as Link) omits query string
* 98564 - caret overlaps the last character in textfield (if positioned after the last char).
* 212366 - Make -moz-opacity apply to descendants as a group, as required by CSS3 opacity
* 219705 - Linux: Blackdown Java crashes, saying "Internal error on browser end".
* 102578 - Linux: Clicking wrongfully fires onmouseout (breaks some dhtml menus, css/edge menus)
* 201209 - GTK2: -moz-opacity makes things invisible.
You can also download a non-installer (.zip) build based on official installer build here and if you look around in the MozillaZine Firefox Builds Forum there's some Windows/Linux Firefox 0.8 builds optimized for AthlonXP/P4/P3/P2/whatever you have.
"You should never doubt what nobody is sure about." -- Willy Wonka
Sierra Square
Delta Square
1. Each tab should have a close button (like Galeon) 2. Have a scroll thingy for easy font size changes (like Galeon). It's a nice browser otherwise.
Has anybody noticed that the new icon for the file extensions that firefox takes over (like .html, .gif, etc) is basically a gigantic fox humping the earth?
Awesome. I see a slogan somewhere in there.
I suggest the 0.9/0.6 versions be named FoxyPox and DrumBox (browser and mail-client respectively).
Not for any particular reason other than being possibly even more confusing than the current names. Thank you for listening. I'm very serious.
I'll take an educated guess, based on democratic principles, that the slogan in the image that gets the most hits may become the official slogan.
Why not "The browser, reloaded"? That slogan would almost encourage mocking a defect in the browser. I've had to reload Slashdot several times when the incremental layout made the left column way too wide (b.m.o bug 217527).
Every week mozilla when get a new name!
When they run out of english words they'll switch to vulcan, then klingon.
[I like Mozilla]
If you cannot keep politics out of your moderation remove yourself from the Mod Lottery.. NOW!
This has absolutely no effect in Firefox to my knowledge, I'm pretty sure the -turbo option has been deprecated.
Rock over London, Rock on Chicago. Wheaties: Breakfast of Champions.
Don't worry too much about the name, as the name actually is "Mozilla".
Think of it as "Mozilla Next Generation Browser code-named [Phoenix|Firebird|FireFly]".
mozilla.org has gone to a 'lite' version of their site in hopes to alleviate some of the bandwidth issues...it's still going slow as hell tho
Mozilla.org seems to be real slow now. Try downloading from the mirrors. Out of the mirrors, this one seems to be updated.
I am also confused by the memory footprint, it does seem large. How come this comment (see parent) got modded down to -1 ? Historically there have been many discussions about mozillas memory hogging, but I cannot seem to find a good explanation or even a comparison to other browsers. I like firebird but it does reserve alot of memory and it is not that fast on my machine, even IE seems faster (which is odd). Any suggestions to info on this? Thanks!
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Speaking of Nintendo, I think it's clear that they've abandoned mythological references and are instead going with a Pokemon theme.
...What? Why is everybody looking at me like that?
Firebird -> Firefox
I predict a similar dispute will erupt over the Thunderbird name, leading them to go with Thundermouse instead, solving all of their trademark problems.
If it's for-profit but free, you're not the customer -- you're the product (e.g., the Slashdot Beta's "audience").
Hermes: According to government records the only names not yet trademarked are Popplers and Zitsels.
Free the West Memphis Three!
And here I thought they were referring to the "World Wildlife Fund" which became the "World Wide Fund for Nature".
Esli epei etot cumprenan, shris soa Sfaha.
http://www.tekwar.net/FirefoxSetup-0.8.exe
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So that the mail component will still sound like the browser, ThunderBird is also changing its name, to ThunderBox
Sources inside Strongbadia suggest that they considered changing the name to Firebert ... but apparently, it's just not a good commando name.
Cheers,
IT
Power corrupts. PowerPoint corrupts absolutely.
I can't access the list of mirrors. However, I just now clicked the torrent, and I'm downloading at 160kb/s!
BitTorrent is a good thing.
Firefox is codename for the Russian fighter MiG 29
or 31, can't remember which.
the profile is still called phoenix in the application data directory (windows) and ~/.phoenix (linux/unix).
Firefox!
:)
The large crowd of laserdisc arcade collectors will surely be confused over a browser named after this famous game
Perhaps Firefox will finally report as Firebird?
"Seven Deadly Sins? I thought it was a to-do list!"
Brauzilla... mmmmmmmmmm.
Is it just me? Or does a FireFox kinda look like a badger?
Maybe they should have named it Mozilla Badger. They'd have an instant theme song.
Portable versions of Firefox, GIMP, LibreOffice, etc
Good luck, even the browser "with few dependencies" is a PITA to compile.
I think the "compile your own lightweight browser on something other than Linux" thing is going to be mighty difficult until Mozilla Foundation makes an offical very-light-weight, browser-only derivative. The current SeaMonkey Full Blown Mozilla is a pig. FireFox isn't really that much better anymore. They need to trim a lot of fat or someone is going to need to make a standalone Konq/KHTML browser. The idea of recycling old Sun Ultra 1's or PII-350 PC's into web surfing stations will remain a (slow) pipedream.
i just find it odd how after so many name changes, settings are still stored under ~/.pheonix and under windows doc&set\user\appdata\pheonix
Athena is a greek godess in her own right. Nike is not an alternative name, but rather a lesser known godess representing Victory personified.
The ancient greek word 'Nike' simply means victory.
While the two may be closely related (Athena may be depicted as holding a statue of Nike, for instance), and clearly, Athena is the godess of strategic warfare, she does not represent the same type of thing that Nike does.
And, Nike could certainly sue Mozilla for naming a product "Mozilla Nike", as recognition of their brand clearly outweighs any potential confusion with an ancient diety, just as the Bush and Gates family could sue Mozilla if they named their new browser "Mozilla: The First Choice of both the Bush and the Gates Family", then argued that they meant shrubs and entryways.
Are there any issues when upgrading from .7? (I've backed up all my Firebird info, but just wanted to be sure before I install Firefox)
When will the Firebird project change their name again? When they realize that Firefox was a crappy movie put out by a heartless corporation, and starring Clint Eastwood in one of his most forgetable roles?
Why can't they just pick something simple and non-tacky for once?
When a project is not just about developing yet another ; but a brand new technology in some field, it has to have an stable branch, and one, or many, development trees, the Linux kernel hacker has a nice way to name and separate those: there is only 1 product name, the X.odd.X versions are development, when they reach some version where they think the new product is relatively mature, it becomes the new stable; and a new development appears. Mozilla has been doing the same for years, only they haven't made their mind about what they want, so they are starting over with every release, they will at some point develop what they want and keep one name, and do all the development on it ... NOT
WTF am I doing replying to an AC at 5 A.M on a Friday night?
For FirefoxSetup-0.8.exe. 8.exe|6500352|521C93B4 157BC6F76434771DA939807B|/
r d-0.5-win32.zip|7895930|04F D0BF91A40F9B37C464204CAFCF6A5|/
ed2k://|file|FirefoxSetup-0
For thunderbird-0.5-win32.zip
ed2k://|file|thunderbi
And so at last the beast fell and the unbelievers rejoiced. But all was not lost, for from the ash rose a great bird. The bird gazed down upon the unbelievers and cast fire and thunder upon them. For the beast had been reborn with its strength renewed, and the followers of Mammon cowered in horror.
from The Book of Mozilla, 7:15
Umm, and then a great fox ate this bird and, uhh, gained its firey breath or something? Yah, that'll work. Oh yeah, and Mammon's more fearful than ever.
Man, name changes are annoying.
But Maaa! Everyone else has a
As exepcted, the official site has been slashdotted - here's the complete list of secondary mirrors from the Mozilla site. Not all of them are current, but you should be able to find one to get you your fix.
l a/ (Mozilla only)
* ftp://ring.aist.go.jp/pub/net/www/mozilla/a /o zilla.org/pub/mozilla/ (Mozilla only)o zilla/o wsers/mozilla/b /
* ftp://ftp.uninett.no/pub/network/www/mozilla/W /clients/mozilla/ (Mozilla only)W W/clients/mozilla/ (Mozilla only)
* ftp://ftp.comp.hkbu.edu.hk/pub/mozilla/ (Mozilla releases only)
* http://www.zentek-international.com/mirrors/mozil
* ftp://ftp.cin.nihon-u.ac.jp/pub/net/www/mozilla
* ftp://ring.exp.fujixerox.co.jp/pub/net/www/mozill
* ftp://ring.so-net.ne.jp/pub/net/www/mozilla/
* ftp://ftp.jaist.ac.jp/pub/Mozilla/
* ftp://ftp.lab.kdd.co.jp/Mozilla/
* http://ftp.kaist.ac.kr/pub/mozilla/
* ftp://ftp.kaist.ac.kr/pub/mozilla/
* rsync://ftp.kaist.ac.kr/mozilla
* http://mymirror.asiaosc.org/mozilla/ (Mozilla releases only)
* rsync://mymirror.asiaosc.org/mozilla/ (Mozilla releases only)
* http://www.opensourcecommunity.ph/mozilla/ (Mozilla only)
* http://mirror.averse.net/pub/mozilla/ (Mozilla only)
* ftp://mirror.averse.net/pub/mozilla/ (Mozilla only)
* ftp://ftp2.sinica.edu.tw/pub3/www/mozilla/
* ftp://ftp.nctu.edu.tw/WWW/mozilla/ (out of date)
* rsync://ftp.nctu.edu.tw/ftp/WWW/mozilla
* ftp://ftp.belnet.be/packages/mozilla/
* ftp://ftp.uni-sofia.bg/mozilla/ (Mozilla only)
* ftp://sunsite.cnlab-switch.ch/mirror/mozilla/
* ftp://ftp.cvut.cz/mozilla/ (Mozilla only)
* http://ftp.cvut.cz/mozilla/ (Mozilla only)
* http://www.artfiles.org/mozilla.org/
* ftp://ftp-stud.fht-esslingen.de/pub/Mirrors/ftp.m
* ftp://ftp.fh-wolfenbuettel.de/pub/www/mozilla/
* ftp://ftp.uni-bayreuth.de/pub/packages/netscape/m
* ftp://ftp.leo.org/pub/comp/general/infosys/www/br
* ftp://ftp.rhein-zeitung.de/mirrors/mozilla.org/ (Mozilla releases only)
* ftp://ftp.uni-erlangen.de/pub/mirrors/mozilla/ (Mozilla releases and nightlies only)
* http://ftp.uni-erlangen.de/pub/mirrors/mozilla/ (Mozilla releases and nightlies only)
* ftp://ftp.rediris.es/mirror/mozilla/
* http://ftp.rediris.es/mirror/mozilla/
* ftp://ftp.etsimo.uniovi.es/pub/mozilla/ (out of date)
* http://www.etsimo.uniovi.es/pub/mozilla/ (out of date)
* ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/mirrors/ftp.mozilla.org/pu
* ftp://ftp.oleane.net/pub/mozilla/ (Mozilla only)
* http://ftp.oleane.net/pub/mozilla/ (Mozilla only)
* ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/mozilla/ (Mozilla only)
* http://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/mozilla/ (Mozilla only)
* ftp://ftp.ntua.gr/pub/www/Mozilla/ (Mozilla only)
* http://ftp.fsf.hu/Mozilla/
* ftp://ftp.fsf.hu/Mozilla/
* http://mozilla.szentimre.hu/ (out of date)
* ftp://ftp.EUnet.ie/mirrors/ftp.mozilla.org/pub/
* ftp://sunsite.icm.edu.pl/pub/mozilla/
* http://sunsite.icm.edu.pl/pub/mozilla/
* ftp://ftp.task.gda.pl/pub/mozilla/
* http://mozilla.tsuren.net/mirror/
* ftp://ftp.fredan.org/mozilla/ (Mozilla only)
* http://www.mozilla.sk/pub/ (Mozilla releases only)
* ftp.mirror.ac.uk/sites/ftp.mozilla.org/pub/
* ftp://mozilla.teleglobe.net/ftp.mozilla.org/pub/ (out of date)
* ftp://mozilla.mirror.pacific.net.au/mozilla/
* http://mozilla.mirror.pacific.net.au/
* ftp://ftp.planetmirror.com.au/pub/mozilla/ (Mozilla only)
* http://public.planetmirror.com.au/pub/mozilla/ (Mozilla only)
* http://mozilla.fresh.co.il/ (Mozilla only)
* http://mozilla.gnusoft.net/
* ftp://ftp.ibiblio.org/pub/packages/infosystems/WW
* http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/packages/infosystems/W
* ftp://ftp.tux.org/pub/net/mozilla/ (not Mozilla Firebird)
* ftp://sunsite.utk.edu/pub/netscape-source/
* ftp://archive.progeny.com/mozilla/ (Mozilla only)
* http://archive.progeny.com/mozilla/ (Mozilla only)
* rsync://archive.progeny.com/mozilla/ (Mozilla only)
* http://mirrors.xmission.com/mozilla/
checkout firefoxweb
Does there name imply that the web sites they design are fully compaatible with Mozilla Firefox?
Do they release the source of the web sites they design under an open source license?
By the looks of there website I don't think I'd pay them to design mine.
YogurtEarl
You would think w/ Panther here now, the OSX version of Firefox "designed for OSX" would sport a brushed metal look ala Safari instead of the old pinstripe theme.
This guy is way out there
You know the one thing that bothers me about this name change?.. Why is it that two name changes later the profile directory is still created as ~/.phoenix. I mean I can understand the whole "backwards compatability" thing, but AFAIK it's always been recommended to wipe your profile and start over with a new milestone of phoenix/firebird/firefox anyway, and even barring that how hard would be to if ( dir_exists( ~/.firefox ) ) { // Use ~/.firefox
}
elseif ( dir_exists( ~/.phoenix) )
{ // Migrate ~/.phoenix to ~/.firefox
}
else
{ // Create a new profile directory in ~/.firefox
}
To err is human, but to really foul things up requires a computer
A new web browser beta, that we're all going to use immediately as our main browser.
A new mail client beta, that we're all going to use immediately as our main browser.
And both sites completely slashdotted, with some mirrors not yet updated.
Let's party like it's 1997!
It was a mistake to change the name away from SeaMonkey. duh.
Phoenix, Firebird, MozillaFirebird, now Firefox?
name the damn binary anything, and stick with it, at least. i don't care what you call it. just keep the programatic nomenclature consistent.
SIGERR: laziness exceeds quota
Firefox is an incredibly stupid and adolesecent sounding name. Haven't we learnt anything form Ogg Vorbis? A dumb name is a sure way to kill the future of your product. When you constantly change your name you make all of us who have been promoting your browser look like fools. Nobody cares about Firebird the database and nobody ever will.
NSFW warning!
S
Sounds like that story about one "John Shit" who changed his name to "Peter Shit".
I guess they figure, it's a Mozilla product, therefore they are more 31337 than anyone else and can just pull names out of a hat.
Stupid, stupid stupid. Why not call it "Mozilla Streamline," since that's the point of the fucking thing anyway, and just get the stupid naming problems over and done with?
Oh, and not to mention, referring my friends to use a browser which keeps changing its name every couple of months makes me look like a retard. I'm going to stop referring people to it.
Here is a good mirror for Firebird 8
Maybe Microsoft will buy it
-- Hasbullah bin Pit (sebol)
Here is a good mirror for Firebird 8 http://fthefrench.com/FirefoxSetup-0.8.zip
Take a look at the history of Mozilla before 1.0. It is impossible to know which version is newer than the other. They had so many version styles: - alphabetical - numerical - alphanumerical - milestones Mozilla is the most confusing project ever, still the GUI needs some threading, too damn slow compared to something native like Opera 7.5.
Godzuki?
So I propose the new name for Firebird to be...
Mozuki !!!!
..........FULL STOP.
However, now it appears that the fox ate the birds eggs or something like that. Unless of course this fox can fly, which is just silly.
My Slashdot account is old enough to drink...
Now, I like this name! Yiff! Yiff! Yiff!
This is fine most of the time, however both NeXTSTEP and GNUStep also include a Mail.app, so sometimes you need to specify `The OS X Mail.app'.
I am TheRaven on Soylent News
It is full of bugs. I would hold on to Firebird, before I *switch* to FireFox.
I have been using it for 15 minutes, crashed once already, and I have found at least 5 problems with it.
There are so many variants now I don't know what to choose! I'm not talking your everday techie either, I'm talking about everyday people who I believe should be using this great compliant browser. But it's not SO confusing! What can be done?
Respectfully, you have given great reasons why technically oriented people should like the name. However, that's not the point. We would use Firebird FireFox browser no matter what it is called.
Most of the prospective users have no technical background. The name must be appropriate to interest them.
Just wanted to say a hearty Thank You to the wonderfull folks working to bring us Mozilla Fire*.
You Rock.!!
I still think the better name would have been "Browser Without A NAme" (case is significant). That would acknowledge an important aspect of the Phoenix/Fire* history, but it would also certainly avoid any further name hassles.
And it would support interesting conversations like this:
--
If you're just surfing the web, any newer browser will do. But if you want to maximize the efficiency and enjoyment of your surfing safaris, then go with Bwana.
Continuing the "___fox" pattern is something of a dead end, without many good choices. But "Fire___" is a promising model. Bugzilla could become "Firebug". "Firefly" would be an obvious option for the mail client, maintaining the "lightweight" metaphor (and delighting fans of the TV show, I'm sure). Other possible trademarks would be "Fireplug" "Firelight" "Firetruck" "Fireproof" "Firealarm" "Firedrill" "Firebomb" "Fireplace" "Firehose" "Firesale" "Firestarter" "Fireman" "Firewalker" "Firewall" "FireEscape" "Firearm" "Fireball" "Firestorm" "Firecracker" "Firebrand" "Fireworks". Oops, the last one's taken by another software package, but "Fire___" is still a fairly rich pool to draw from. It also fits well with good ol' Mozilla, usually depicted as a fire-breathing lizard, giving it some continuity with past branding.
http://alternatives.rzero.com/
Seriously though, I think this looks like the final name and I like it.
Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley
[This post is in the public domain (copyright-free) unless otherwise stated]
That just opens the door for microsoft to compete using names like Internet Moth-splorer.
They already use a butterfly.
__
Thou hast besquirted me, O leotarded one.
Does anyone know a repository one can point at to get regular up to date debian packages of Firebird, now named Firefox?
One man's pink plane is another man's blue plane.
Or does the icon residing on the desktop look something like a blue bowling ball taking out a poor little fox?
What's the confusion with naming?
Better name it 'eyeE' so that it sounds like something popular.
Firefox doesn't seem to run under Mac OS 10.2:
v ice*, int)
Command: firefox-bin
PID: 811
Exception: EXC_BREAKPOINT (0x0006)
Code[0]: 0x00000001Code[1]: 0x8fe01220
Thread 0 Crashed:
#0 0x8fe01220 in halt
#1 0x8fe10654 in link_in_need_modules
#2 0x8fe129c4 in _dyld_bind_fully_image_containing_address
#3 0x900052b4 in _dyld_bind_fully_image_containing_address
#4 0x9000520c in sigaction__
#5 0x005ac8c0 in nsProfileLock::LockWithSymlink(nsACString const&)
#6 0x005acc24 in nsProfileLock::Lock(nsILocalFile*)
#7 0x005a0cb0 in nsProfile::SetCurrentProfile(unsigned short const*)
#8 0x0059e5c8 in nsProfile::LoadDefaultProfileDir(nsCString&, int)
#9 0x0059d884 in nsProfile::StartupWithArgs(nsICmdLineService*, int)
#10 0x00682ca0 in nsAppShellService::DoProfileStartup(nsICmdLineSer
#11 0x008491a8 in InitializeProfileService(nsICmdLineService*)
#12 0x00849cec in main1(int, char**, nsISupports*, nsXREAppData const&)
#13 0x0084a5e0 in xre_main(int, char**, nsXREAppData const&)
#14 0x00009850 in main
#15 0x000094e4 in _start (crt.c:267)
#16 0x00009358 in start
Thread 1:
#0 0x9002568c in select
#1 0x0151f77c in poll
#2 0x0151bfc8 in _pr_poll_with_poll
#3 0x000bde98 in nsSocketTransportService::Run()
#4 0x0504614c in nsThread::Main(void*)
#5 0x0151d410 in _pt_root
#6 0x90020c28 in _pthread_body
PPC Thread State:
srr0: 0x8fe01220 srr1: 0x0002f030 vrsave: 0x00000000
xer: 0x20000000 lr: 0x8fe09bd8 ctr: 0x8fe293ac mq: 0x00000000
r0: 0x00000004 r1: 0xbfffeb10 r2: 0x8fe0b794 r3: 0x00000171
r4: 0x00000000 r5: 0x00000171 r6: 0x0000000a r7: 0x2e64796c
r8: 0x2f6c6962 r9: 0x00000000 r10: 0x8fe4850c r11: 0x0000001a
r12: 0x8fe71b98 r13: 0x009f0000 r14: 0xbffff570 r15: 0x009f0000
r16: 0xbffffd90 r17: 0xbffff400 r18: 0x009e0000 r19: 0xbffff670
r20: 0x00000000 r21: 0x00000000 r22: 0xbffff410 r23: 0x7f000001
r24: 0xbfffed10 r25: 0x010864d0 r26: 0x00000011 r27: 0x005ac424
r28: 0x8fe4841c r29: 0x8fe484ec r30: 0x8fe484ec r31: 0x8fe0995c
Looks like some sort of library problem.
TANSTAAFI: There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free iPod.
Thanks. It finally works. :)
What the hack is XBL?
FYI, I wrote a game back in the 70s for the Pet computer that was called firefox..I wonder if I still have a print out of the source still lying around.
netscape -> mozilla -> phoenix -> firebird -> firefox
And people say open source software is too confusing to use.
I was hoping they might call it Firecat for which they might have renamed the email client to match and then it would have been Thundercat.
(running under XP)
1) Shuts down your Moz (even though it asks to kill Firefox instances only -- thunderbird instance was spared)
2) Has the "additional browsing enhancements" choice (under custom install) greyed out
3) usurped my default profile and would not let go even after uninstall (Moz would complain that the profile is under use)
4) set itself up as the default browser even though I clicked "No". At least Moz asked me to confirm it as the default when I was able to start it up again.
That said, I have had good experiences with Firebird/Phoenix before and will certainly use it on a non-Moz machine.
Suzaku will inmediatly become the browser of choice of the otaku (or japanese animation fanatic if you dislike the term) and all the pheonix thing will keep consistent, but the new firefox logo is really cool (wasn't it made by weboso? best icons ever!) But seriously why change the name? Who complained first or what?
But... the future refused to change.
I got it off of ftp.mozilla.org, interestingly enough. Guess the slashdotting is starting to die down.
I wish they hadn't changed the name, much like many of the other posters here. They went from dinosaur (cool!) to a phoenix (leet!) to a panda... ? Why not a dragon? Imagine using a browser called Firewyrm!
What's next, 0.9 to be called Badger, and the default homepage to be BadgerBadgerBadger.com?
if the answer isn't violence, neither is your silence / freedom of expression doesn't make it alright
We might know the difference, but there are enough people who don't to make a difference.
sig:- (wit >= sarcasm)
Why the hell did they default Firefox to dump downloads on the desktop, instead of defaulting it to letting you pick a directory?
Other than that, shiny, but wow... what a stupid default.
Philip Sandifer's academic website
There's still Lugia (legendary bird of the sea) to contend with.
Any ideas?
Mozilla Firefox 0.8 Review
.php?id=1825 (try to click on the details link in the middle where they rate the anime, note the website seems down at the moment). MBNA payment page won't work anymore.. ect. Little things like this.
Some of the best things I like about Mozilla Firefox 0.8:
1. Two words - Bookmark Management
Wow! I was able to modify/delete/rename/move 450 bookmarks in a few short hours. It was a combination of being able to edit bookmarks off the menu bar easily and opening a whole folder of websites in seconds. It makes Internet Explorer's 'Organize Favorites' look like a sick joke. Actually it is and I consider it one of the very weak things about Internet Explorer (lets call it IE for short). I simply cannot check all 450 bookmarks to see if the website still exists while using IE. With Mozilla Firefox, it only took like a half hour to get that part done. Tabbed browsing works. Big time. I used to use Tabbrowser Extensions to add some additional tweaks but found it hindered things more than helped. I'll mention what those are in my what I dislike about Mozilla Firefox section.
2. It doesn't crash
Oh Mozilla Firefox can still crash if there's bad code written for a web page, make no mistake about that. Still, it's very very rare and it's so much more stable than any Mozilla 1.x Application Suite release. Perhaps its because I have more confidence in Mozilla Firefox than with the Mozilla Application Suite (call it App. Suite for short), due to some previously bad experiences doing real web development with Composer with the 1.5 release. However, this whole crash issue is more of a release-by-release kind of thing. It's my hope that the Mozilla development team continues to focus on making Mozilla Firefox as crash proof as possible. Keep up the good work!
3. Mozilla Firefox loads up fast
It is way faster than the App. Suite due to it not preloading several applications I don't use at all. I have no confidence in using Mozilla Mail, nor do I use an email account with POP access. I've tried Composer and it crashed on a regular basis that it was a totally useless program. I also have no clue on how to use ChatZilla, and I keep my small address book in a text file. So my main focus has always been on how well the Mozilla web browser was. Now with Mozilla Firefox I have a web browser that loads almost as fast as IE and to me it's important that it loads fast because it greatly hindered me from switching over for good.
4. Properly displayed webpages
There's always going to be one minor annoyance per website since it was built with IE in mind, but all in all, Mozilla developer team finally nailed it. It's good enough for most webpages and when I can't view a webpage properly in Mozilla Firefox , I switch over to IE quickly. There's an extension called 'IE View' that adds a right-click menu option that'll open IE for whatever webpage you are currently on at the moment. Very handy feature and its something I use every now and then. Certain webpages that just don't work well include any Microsoft/MSN website, pages like this http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime
5. Options dialogue box
This was one of the things I always thought were desperately needed for a Mozilla web browser. The Application Suite way only shows a directory name (which is sometimes truncated), and you have to double click to see more directories underneath it in order to get to the specific preferences you wanted to change. First of all, you can't at a quick glance get to the section you want right away. There needed to be a visual aid to help guide you to the section you wanted. I always thought the most *ideal* way was a combination of icons and a word or two to describe the general section of preferences. I couldn't believe what I was seeing with the first release of Mozilla Firefox that I tested. Icons plus a short word or two that's not truncated plus I didn't need to do anymo
AFAIK it's still planned to name version 1.0 of Firefox "Mozilla Browser". Thunderbird will become "Mozilla Mail".
I think Mozilla should release they project-naming software as a separate open source project. We could perhaps eliminate some of the more obvious bugs that way.... like the one that always picks a name that is probably taken by something else the first time around, the the other bug that changes most new projects' names before they have a chance to really get adopted.
RP
Anyone else have problems where installing FireFox0.8 wiped out their Mozilla SeaMonkey settings?
The only reason we have the rights we have is that people just like us died to gain those rights. -- Cheerio Boy
The best part of this entire operation is that it is starting to be a viable alternative to IE. If my job *1000 employees* is willing to put this on the desktop for workers to use; everybody else - ie. the rest of the world will hear about the goodness that is Firebird. Just my two cents.
Remember how we got used to strange an obviously-new product and company names because of the domain name craze? Yeah, it was kind of stupid, but it seems to me it was a little less stupid than Mozilla projects having to change their name all the time. Firebird? Come on. Why not just come up with something very obscure that we're pretty doggone sure is not in use.
Like Netscape. Oh wait, that wasn't fair (get it? "not in use"). Ahem... But you know what I mean. "Mozilla" itself is a good example. At the time Netscape came up with that word, they had no doubt whatsoever that it wasn't being used by anybody, because they created the word themselves.
One could argue that it's harder to get "mindshare" (sorry for the flashback to 1999) with a very obscure name, but it seems to me that it's better to have to go through that process once than take the time to explain why your whole project had to change it's name, and never mind all the code references to the old name. I still have quite a few Chimera references left over on my disk that Camino uses.
RP
Why not use the power of slashdot to create a new thread dedicated to coming up with the best name for the firefox browser? Certainly slashdotters will come up with something brilliant, yet not previously adopted.
Then again, apparently some morons would try to send emails on their collectible toys from the 80's.
hang brain.
Sadly the site that hosts all of the extensions is down. Which means I now have FireFox, but none of my extensions and can't browse 'properly' until it stops being slashdotted.
Nice
My Journal
Apart from the name change firefox 0.8 is a really excellent browser. I've been using it all day now, and am posting this comment from it. It's faster than 0.7 (about 6% in pageload, but I've noticed it's faster at loading multiple sites in parallel too). Almost all of the bugs that irked me have been fixed, like the bug where what you typed in the url bar was erased if you switched tabs (making it hard to copy/paste url's over from one site into the next when they're cut into pieces due to lame space-inserting comment engines *hint* *hint*). The download manager is silky smooth (I love the little notification that pops up on download completion), with good integration with extension installation. Extension installation finally "feels" right, and no longer a crude hack. Now they just need to add extension uninstallation. I also really like that they include the dom inspector in the installer now (just choose custom install). That I had to install that separately annoyed me greatly.
Frankly, I'm running out of things to criticize it for. It's becoming very close to the perfect browser for me. The only things I want are extension uninstallation and smaller runtime memory use (just having this page open is using 38 megs of ram, which seems excessive).
The question is have they checked with FOX...
being in the LA area, I know how much FOX likes to "defend" its "IP"....
Fox News
Fox Network
Fox Sport
Where are the release notes for Firefox 0.8 hiding?
After several attempts using Firebird 0.7, I couldn't download the Windows installer.
With IE it worked on the first try.
reasons:
Maybe this gets modded flaimbait but I'd like to read others opinions.
Frankly, names for software don't matter. Look at some successful ones. What the fuck is an ICQ? I seek you, I know, but it's stupid. What the fuck is a Kazaa? An Edonkey 2000? A Linux? GNU is fucking unpronouncable so anything with GNU in the title is out.
.NET was a branding nightmare, as evidenced by the switch from "Windows .NET Server" to "Windows Server 2003." Which by the way, switches around the year and the product: "Windows 2000 Server" is followed by "Windows Server 2003." And don't forget Microsoft's completely fucking random method of using version numbers, letters, or years for products: Windows 3.1 -> 95 -> 98 -> 98SE -> ME, and NT 3.5 -> 4.0 -> 2000 -> XP -> 2003. Any bets on what the next desktop OS "Longhorn" will be named? Could be Windows 2005, Windows XPSE.NET, Windows 6.0 Professional, hell, they're even considering Windows RG. My bet is on Windows FX though.
Even the evil empire isn't immune from bad software naming choices.
Come on though, at least FireFox is pronouncable. Unlike such winners as SUSE, Linux (I know YOU know how to pronounce it but chances are your mother doesn't), Kazaa, and EVERY FUCKING KDE APP. What happens when you put a fucking K in front of everything's name? You get a koffice, and a kbrowser, and a kmicrowave, and a kshutthefuckup.
Among the target audience you just say "check your mail, me send you the .psd". ;)
"A Windows Installer" -- I loved the fact that it was just one big happy zip file!
God made the natural numbers; all else is the work of man - Kronecker
sign(c14n(envelop(this)), x509)
The Theme Site for Firefox
The Extension Site for Firefox
Extensions on Mozdev
Forums for mozilla
Surprizingly the red panda site (Firefox) isn't down yet.
If i recall Chimera aren't pleasent things and there always used to suggest pestilence etc in literature. Now that I think of it Minotaur isn't so hot either. He spent all his time trapped in a maze. Do you really want that connotation with a software product?
My Firebird 0.6 has an in-page search in the upper right corner. But now they say it's a google search. I don't want google in my toolbar. Is there any way to get rid of it? I can't find any documentation about it.
Thanks.
I think that I'm just going to have to start referring to it as the browser-formerly-known-as-Firebird. Hey it worked for Prince... wait he is called Prince this week isn't he?
OK, I downloaded 0.8 (Win32), and installed it.
It trashed my SeaMonkey 1.6 settings. Anyone else see this behavior?
The only reason we have the rights we have is that people just like us died to gain those rights. -- Cheerio Boy
Flamingrabbit
Furryfox
Flyingsquirrel
Fark
Feenicks
Perhaps you missed #4 in the grandparent's list?
I'd be much happier using an email client named Thundercat ...
Hmmm, what name change is next? Fire "K-meleon"? Oh wait, that one's taken too...
I've had problems accessing texturizer.net for weeks - doesn't look like the problems are related to the recent release of Firefox.
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy
you know, the whole GPL world is where I go to escape the garbage I have to deal with everywhere else.
What I love about the open-source world is that you get something that's not crammed down your throat, does what it says without cheating or spying, and functioning better than CommercialCutiePieApp(tm) is often its raison d'etre.
Word of mouth made all this happen so far - why do some people still measure open source success by how well it imitates crappy proprietary commercial shit?
I don't really care what or how many times mozilla changes its name. I'm going to hear about it from the community, I'm going to download it and use it if it's better than the version I have. I don't care if Theodore Asshole III thinks it looks close enough to a TV commercial he saw on his yacht to give it a try.
Faxbot?
(Points to anyone who gets the reference; but trust me, Dennis Miller would go "whatever" and beat feet rather than admit he's clueless on this one.)
I had actually forgotten about Phoenix (probably because it was one of the heaviest lightweight browsers ever), but it still seemed familiar. Upon inspection, it turns out that there's still code in Firefox (or at least Firebird) since that's the directory name it creates in your home directory. Hope they remember to clean that up.
I don't try to be right, I just try to make people think
Maybe I just need to restart but, I just downloaded and installed the windows installer and i get the following error when trying to launch FireFox.
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Error launching browser window: no XBL binding for browser
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anyone else have this problem or have suggestions?
I know...how about pyrobird? Same meaning, different prefix.
Question:
Is Firefox 0.8 based on Mozilla 1.6 or 1.4?
Thanks!
Falco is better. They should change it back to Firebird, or whatever Falco's version of the move is called.
I dont know what the hype is for Mozilla/Firebird/Firefox/Netscape. I gave this browser a month to win me over, and aside from tabbed browsing and being able to actually save tabbed window layouts, I hated how it couldnt manage to actually become a default browser without me changing file associations myself... it was prone to crashing (yes its beta, I know), used a larger memory footprint on average (because I opened many more 'tabs' than I would normally open windows), has a messy bookmark system, and a longer startup time than IE. I am now currently giving opera the same chance, and although I still prefer IE in general, Opera is MUCH better than Firebird.
The problem is XUL. Imagine having to interpret javascript everytime you interact with a GUI object. That's what it does. All of this overhead slows the computer down. In turn it eats up memory and CPU. IE's faster because its GUI is compiled. There's no background interpreter having to chug out calculations when you click on a widget.
The following is a full list of the primary and secondary mirrors that have Firefox 0.8 builds. This list will also be maintained and updated.
Apologies for not listing one per line, but slashdot rejects posts with "too few characters per line".
North America: mozilla.isc.org (http) mozilla.isc.org (ftp) trillian.cc.gatech.edu (http) trillian.cc.gatech.edu (ftp) mozilla.ussg.indiana.edu (http) mozilla.ussg.indiana.edu (ftp) mozilla.oregonstate.edu (http) mozilla.oregonstate.edu (ftp) mozilla.gnusoft.net (http)
Europe: sunsite.rediris.es (http) sunsite.rediris.es (ftp) sunsite.cnlab-switch.ch (ftp) ftp.cvut.cz (ftp) www.artfiles.org (http) ftp.rediris.es (ftp) ftp.rediris.es (http) ftp.task.gda.pl (ftp) ftp.task.gda.pl (http) sunsite.icm.edu.pl (ftp) (Windows only) sunsite.icm.edu.pl (http) (Windows only) ftp.mirror.ac.uk (ftp)
Asia/Australia: ftp.lab.kdd.co.jp (ftp) ftp.kaist.ac.kr (http) ftp.kaist.ac.kr (ftp) ftp.nctu.edu.tw (ftp) mozilla.mirror.pacific.net.au (ftp) mozilla.mirror.pacific.net.au (http)
You MIGHT not have to go to such lengths. IF you have tabbrowser extensions, disable that specific extension in Firebird, then fire up Firefox and see if it works. If it does, you can reinstall the extension and it should work. I did have some funkiness on the second start, but killed the app in process mangler and restarted it and everything seems to be the same as I had it in Firebird.
I can kinda understand why they would change the name but couldn't they come up with something better?
for a while I was using both mail and Mail.app. Was funny trying to explain the distinction between the two.
Because you forgot to disable your plugins before upgrading to FireFox.
It's mentioned in the FireFox install FAQ
- Don't do what I do, it's probably not healthy nor safe. -
If you had read the announcement, you'd know this is the final name.
Firebird was a project code name, and Firefox is now branded as the offical name.
- Don't do what I do, it's probably not healthy nor safe. -
There was a project to make a low resources mozilla called minimo. There is a webpage here, but I'm not sure how active the project is now.
They should just rename the newly renamed Firefox to: Moz' Bizzy and Thunderbird to: Moz' Mizzy.
Problem solved.
./revolution
It scares me to see that Firefox is going to replace Seamonkey when Firefox is not feature complete, and it seems to me that they aren't really making an effort to include everything that you could change on Mozilla in the name of "simplicity". Damnit, I don't like autocomplete. I don't want anything popping up, changing while I'm typing. It distracts me, and it's irritating. I know what I want to type, and I'll type it. But, to get rid of it, I have to go hack it away by removing the chrome piece that runs it. (it's in a JAR file somewhere. it's a really huge pain)
Firebird has the feel of a vendor product, not a flexible open source one. If it's going to be good, I should be able to turn off every feature that you don't absolutely need to browse a web page.
-twb
Atleast they are moving up the food chain..
firebird
firefox
firelion?
Since none of these names are opaque (so I can ignore your explanations in parentheses), I'll guess what each one does:
... anything, really.
... it's a cool name for a word processor, but in fact still pretty ambiguous. If it wasn't a word processor, maybe it would be a Bible study tool ("In the beginning was the Word"), or a scrabble player's lookup tool, or a rhyming dictionary, etc etc.
... )
... "BackOffice" is IMO a pretty good name for that suite. Not perfect, just good.
:) (One frequently dragged-out fact: I liked "WriteNow" as a word processor, and as a name for a word processor.)
Powerpoint -- a powerful hand-shaped icon, for when quadruple clicking isn't enough
Access - allows one to make spy-movie-style effortless break-ins to computers, buildings, locked safes
Outlook - provides an 8-ball style simple fortune telling device.
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Visual Studio - nifty painting tool
And though you didn't mention it, Word -- a dictionary application with a limited vocabulary. Watch for the sequel, coming soon, called "Words."
Also, Excel, the application that's really, really good at whatever it is that it happens to do.
My point is (and I do have one) that these program names are fine and dandy, catchy even, but in no way are the programs' functions anything more than hinted at by the name. If you *know* that Access refers to *database* Access, then great, Access may then seem awfully intuitive. If you don't already know that, "access" is a pretty ambiguous term. Access would also be a great name for a financial records application, or a password generator, or a password-keyring type application, or a tool for analyzing computer security. Likewise Word
On the other hand, "Internet Explorer" and "Windows Media Player" (there is something called that, right?) seem clearer to me, even if not perfect. ("OK honey, I'm going to play some media now" would be a strange sentence, because the word "play" doesn't act cleanly on "media"
On the other, other hand
My thought: pretty much all names suck -- either they're hopelessly and boringly descriptive, or not descriptive enough -- unless they catch on, in which case people may even think of them as being intuitive
timothy
jrnl: http://tinyurl.com/c2l8yr / foes: http://tinyurl.com/ckjno5
Why don't they just fix the existing bugs in Mozilla instead of working on 3 browsers at once?
here's a clue: go into bugzilla and start fixing the bugs over 4yrs old.
Dude, i've mostly gone back to IE.
1. No scroll arrows/buttons anymore!?
2. where did the Forward and Back buttons go?
3. when i try to download a file, i get weird box asking me how to download it, but then i can't click OK.
To speed up loading Sun's JVM in Windows, open the "Java Plug-in" applet in the Control Panel and then select "do not start console". The Java console is for debugging but is enabled by default for some reason.
"Give a man a fish and he will ask for tartar sauce and French fries!"
Firefucked
Or they could get topical and call it StarMouse
the database only turns up under the "project" category, which happens to be headed up by Mozilla Firebird (which already has it's own "Mozilla" category).
How about an art site that gets 22 million hits a month?
Browsers:
1 MSIE (all versions) 20,840,535 93.57%
2 Netscape/Mozilla (all versions) 985,761 4.42%
3 Opera (all versions) 141,673 0.63%
4 Others 90,084 0.4%
5 Googlebot/2.1 73,865 0.33%
Pretty close to 95%, no?
OS:
1 Windows NT/2000/XP 14,658,286 65.81%
2 Windows 98 6,025,951 27.05%
3 Macintosh PowerPC 771,331 3.46%
4 Others 634,325 2.84%
5 Windows 95 122,386 0.54%
6 Linux 50,865 0.22%
7 SunOS 4,231 0.01%
Why don't they just do what Intel/AMD/etc. do for their product code names, and just name it after some obscure geographical location? There can't be any trademark issues with that.
Mozilla Windows 98 SE
or
Mozilla The Beatles
I got d4eacce1814ae16660e499aa862309f9 and 6,500,352 bytes from the torrent.
I ran the installer and boom: have my extensions from Firebird 0.7, and all of my bookmarks are there. Worked fine for me!
Scott
I tried this, but could not locate "turbo."
A quick Google search reveals that the -turbo feature was removed from Firebird around version 0.6.x, so I'd assume it is still out.
A post a day keeps productivity at bay.
Tee Hee ;)
The current hot word suffix is 'Underground', with the option of adding 'Super Bling-Bling Edition'... Xtreme? Puuuuhlease, girlfriend, get with the times! :p
"I like systems, their application excepted", George Sand (French)
then MAIL is to SPAMFARI!
"Sometimes, I think Trent just needs a cup of hot chocolate and a blankie." -Tori Amos on Nine Inch Nails
here's a bit of what i posted to mozillazine: http://s91855708.onlinehome.us/temp/FirefoxSetup-0 .8.exe.torrent
couldn't figure out how to get ahold of webmasters within a few seconds, so decided to come here... (could someone contact them? ..if at least to have them verify the CRC-32/MD5 of the official EXEs for the paranoid)
MD5 : D4EACCE1814AE16660E499AA862309F9
CRC-32 : 88247ED4
more hashes in post @ http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=5090 3
about:config
Filter: turbo
browser.turbo.enabled - user set, boolean, false
I see 57005 people
Hermes: According to government records the only names not yet trademarked are Popplers and Zitsels. Fry: I know: We'll call them Popplers. Amy: You picked it. Fry: Swish. Zoidberg: Call them what you want. I call them a free meal.
Sigs are like bumper stickers.
Maybe they should change their name to something catchy, like, hmmm... "Internet Explorer"
Manipulate the moderator system! Mod someone as "overrated" today.
I think "Apple Mail" is the correct name. That's how it identifies itself in MIME headers anyway.
My God, it's Full of Source!
OUTSIDE_IP=$(dig +short my.ip @outsideip.net)
First let me say that I understand the difficulties of getting a unique name that doesn't suck: the company I work for is trying to release a new product and getting a unique name for it wasn't easy: you'll be suprised how many words are taken.
So to prevent confusion I reccommend "FireFox" follow in Princ^H^H I mean Love Symbol's footsteps and change their name to: @
"At Symbol: The Choice of a GNU Generation"
Cheers
Stor
"Yeah well there's a lot of stuff that should be, but isn't"
how big is your site?
January:
76979 visits (battlemaster.org)
53209 visits (lemuria.org)
268 visits (selinux.lemuria.org)
Nowhere near 22 mio., but except for the SELinux part big enough to not be skewed by random "5 mozilla people came over" events.
Assorted stuff I do sometimes: Lemuria.org
Thunderbird 0.3 worked fine with the IMAP implementation of Sambar Server, but got broken in 0.4. It's not mentioned in the Release Notes, but 0.5 works great with Sambar's IMAP again. Woohoo! I can put LookOut back in the closet now!
-Rich
Hm. What stats package do you use, Tom?
Just wondering because there's a difference between hits (requests) and "visits", which is a euphemism for whatever the stats software maker wants it to be.
This page explains the difference in more detail:
http://www.analog.cx/docs/webworks.html
BTW, Analog rocks, it's the fastest stats analyzer I've ever seen, takes a 600MB log file and spits back your report in less than a minute. (And it's open source! *grin*)
except your data is skewed by posting battlemaster on /.
Thats how me, and my bad firebird using mac, found the game.
OT:i like the game.
A blog about stuff.
I use webalizer. I've toyed with analog as well, but I just like webalizer more.
Assorted stuff I do sometimes: Lemuria.org
True, but for the timeframe posted, /. is ranked at #10 in the referred list, with just 110 hits. Several search engines rank above it, as well as some webmail services, which indicates word-of-mouth propaganda.
Assorted stuff I do sometimes: Lemuria.org
i woyuld guess your site gets such a high percentage of mozilla users because it is advertised on every slashdot post you make..