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Like this? http://operawatch.com/news/2007/04/how-to-edit-advanced-settings-in-the-opera-browser.html

Apple fanboys...

Actually opera mini team has ported opera to C before : http://operawatch.com/news/2007/12/opera-mini-ported-to-brew-platform.html

so they have done it before and they have done it on iphone too i think

According to Opera, it's Adobe's fault: http://operawatch.com/news/2007/04/why-the-wii-browser-has-flash-7-and-not-flash-8-or-9.html

How is it underminging standards?

The new switch is a fucking META tag you stupid asshat. Microsoft is using META tags for what they were initially designed to do, add META data to a fucking page. This approach allows existing sites to render as they currently do and new sites can be completely standards compliant.

But I guess dipshits like you think Microsoft should be regulated by Government to do everything in their power to destroy themselves by harming existing customers.

Um, you may want to check your claims again. They didn't work with the HTML WG. They worked with certain people from WaSP. Even so, WaSP officially never backed the proposal, and it was universally rejected by other browser vendors AND web designers, because it would just prolong the problem and lock the web to certain versions of IE. Read more here for lots of quotes, and educate yourself: http://operawatch.com/news/2008/01/opera-mozilla-and-safari-react-to-ies-solution-for-browser-compatibility-issues.html

Not interested.

That's a shame because I'm an Opera man myself. I don't like switching to IE6/7 in Windows for those few sites that need it. However, if Silverlight does catch on, I'm sure Opera will support it (despite the antitrust squabbles).

Which in the real world is practically never, considering that IE doesn't support any of them

Opera Mobile (the real deal) supports Flash for ages, even the "mini" version does Flash.

"Ages" being since April 2007? And that was beta at that point...

Absolutely superior? I wonder if that kind of browsing was superior, why don't I see millions of downloads at Zinio reader

Because the Zino reader is built for a system without a UI that fundamentally embraces the concept of zooming along with physical controls to make the technique practical to use.

Stop being blinded by your hatred of Apple and be able to see what is a true enhancement in browsing UI.

My point still stands that the most popular third party app you can come up with, is an application to replace the far suckier browsers that ship with mobile phones today.

http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/kestrel-is-co minga>

"As a result, Opera 9.5 contains more than a year of improvements on the rendering engine. This includes improved CSS3 support (text-shadow anyone ), superior SVG support and a brand new javascript engine with support for ECMAScript 4 'getters' and 'setters'. Apart from being the best standard compliant browser, Opera 9.5 will also display even more webpages with bad coding."

They've always been aggressive about making sure websites work in the browser.

According to Opera's CEO (interviewed here) Opera has around 10-15m active desktop users, 40m people with Opera on their phones, and 7m users of "Opera mini" on other devices. Other figures note 50m phones with Opera have been 'shipped', but presumably not all of these are in use.

So, yes, the non-desktop market increases Opera's base by a factor of 4-5, assuming every phone with Opera on it is being used to browse the web.

That's still a modest share of the overall market, even when you measure by installed base, rather than actual usage. Indeed, likely substantially less than Firefox (Supposedly circa 100m desktop users from not terribly good sources).

Blame the editors. I submitted a couple of links, including another article on ComputerWorld which went into the "browser war" comments in a bit more detail:

Instead of trying to trump one another by adding features in point releases, [i.e. the classic browser war] the companies that developed these browsers are instead intent on advancing their use as platforms for a new generation of rich Internet applications and for tackling the hurdles that will come along with that shift in strategy, the panel said.

(For the record, I found the story via Opera Watch)

Other links: http://operawatch.com/news/2006/08/opera-visits-mi crosoft-in-preparation-for-windows-vista.html http://annevankesteren.nl/2006/08/opera-vista

So I honestly think that regardless of which is the better browser the best thing to encourage a more diverse web, with more sites optimised for a more general platform rather than just IE would be if the Opera devs just packed it in and started contributing to mozilla / firefox.

Have any web developers out there ever been asked to produce a commercial site with Opoera in mind?

Has their CEO reached the US yet since their last release?

Yes, actually -- he's in Seattle right now.

Latest build of Opera for S60 passes the Acid2 test and it does support AJAX, so Opera Software certainly won't let be beaten easily.

Search engines pay money to the browser makers to get their search engines in there anyway.

Um, care to back that up?

Funny, I thought that "accusation" was common knowledge. Opera, for instance, hasn't exactly been hiding the fact. Back in September, Jon von Tetzchner said:

What finally made [going free] possible is the increase in revenues from search and service partners. We can now go free and still increase our revenues.

And later in the same interview:

We have been working with Google for a long time. Our new search deal increases our search based revenue, which is an important factor in our decision to go free. We are also working with Google to make sure their services work well with Opera.