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Re:I can't help but wonder
Yes, the Republicans are the ones pushing infrastructure spending.
Right.
Senate GOP Blocks Obama's $60 Billion Infrastructure Plan
The Republican Budgets CUT Infrastructure Spending
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Re:That's all that consumer-oriented businesses do
Previous to 1800, the only monopolies were state sponsored, supported, and sometimes enforced monopolies
And that is still the case today. You postulate the existence of mythical stable "free market capitalism based monopolies", but those simply don't exist.
... Large, stable monopolies are the result of, and require, government action.While I may not have stated it clearly, I don't consider state sponsored monopolies as a valid point. They're propped up by other than economic forces.
Regarding pure free market monopolies: Standard Oil, Microsoft (virtual monopoly), Intel (virtual monopoly), The current ISP situation in the US, which occurred via local government deals, so that one is arguable. For business networks, it's Cisco to a smaller extent (80% or so from the last time I looked). If you step back 1 level where the choice is extremely limited by cabals, there's plenty there. If the government would let them merge, they would be monopolies.
More than 50% of the world's population lives of less than an equivalent $3 US a day. That's not wealthy by anyone's standards.
Well, no, that's not true. Median family incomes is about $9300, and median per capita income is about $2900, worldwide, nearly three times what you claim.
That is self reported, by people with jobs. Is it accurate? Not that the World Bank and others recently changed the poverty measure, reducing the group considered to be in poverty. And there's a considerable number of people without jobs.
"Wealth" is a subjective measure, it can be created, destroyed, and altered just by comparison.
You're playing meaningless semantic games. If you don't understand what the word "wealthier" means in this context, then we can simply put it this way: the world is much better off today than it used to be, across countries and income groups. There is less hunger, less violence, less homelessness, greater literacy, higher life expectancy, etc.
I think the people in Syria for one, might disagree.
A bald assertion
No, not a "bald assertion". The idea that free trade "drains jobs and money" flies in the face of both established economic theory and long term data. The economic theory isn't even hard to understand: if you erect trade barriers, goods get more expensive so the money people have available is worth less. And, in fact, the cost that the trade barrier imposes on Americans is always higher (often a lot higher) than any increased demand in the US. In addition, politically, if the US erects trade barriers against imports, other nations will erect trade barriers against US imports in retaliation, and our export trade will also suffer. Historically, trade barriers have caused everything from recessions and depressions to outright war.
It's still a bald assertion. There have been many documented cases of jobs leaving the country post free trade agreements. So until you provide some facts, you're still making an unsupported assertion that sounds more like a policy plan than anything based in reality. Thanks to numerous studies and facts, I can conclude that free trade has moved jobs out of the country, lowered wages, and has had a relatively pronounced and severe negative impact on our trade imbalances as wealth flows out of the country.
There is also a difference between a trade barrier and shifting costs. If you can't understand that, perhaps tha
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Re: So What
It's also protected by our First Amendment.
"or the right of the people peaceably to assemble,"
That they wish to do this not merely in the town square, or at their favorite website, but in their neighborhood, makes no difference.
It may be racist, but it's not merely legal, it's protected. And our President is actively working to subvert the Constitution and make this specifically illegal.
so when your boss asks you to sign a non-disclosure, it's unconstitutional? clearly your freedom of speech is being violated
You are comparing a contractual agreement between two parties not to disclose information with a racist demonstration. What are you getting at and what does a non-disclosure have to do with the first amendment? Clearly gibberish.
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Re: So What
It's also protected by our First Amendment.
"or the right of the people peaceably to assemble,"
That they wish to do this not merely in the town square, or at their favorite website, but in their neighborhood, makes no difference.
It may be racist, but it's not merely legal, it's protected. And our President is actively working to subvert the Constitution and make this specifically illegal.
so when your boss asks you to sign a non-disclosure, it's unconstitutional? clearly your freedom of speech is being violated
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Re: So What
It's also protected by our First Amendment.
"or the right of the people peaceably to assemble,"
That they wish to do this not merely in the town square, or at their favorite website, but in their neighborhood, makes no difference.
It may be racist, but it's not merely legal, it's protected. And our President is actively working to subvert the Constitution and make this specifically illegal.
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Re:Which is why corporations are born criminals
They're only breaking the spirit of the law, not the letter.
True. They are 'getting around' the law against exporting crude, by not exporting crude. It seems the law needs to be amended to define better what is considered exportable if they want to stop this.
Perhaps they should get rid of the ban altogether? Seriously, with the trade deficit spiraling out of control, it makes no sense at all to ban exports. Rather than question BP for 'getting around' the law, we should question why we have such bad law in the first place.
Agreed. That's why I said 'if they want to stop this'.
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Re:Which is why corporations are born criminals
They're only breaking the spirit of the law, not the letter.
True. They are 'getting around' the law against exporting crude, by not exporting crude. It seems the law needs to be amended to define better what is considered exportable if they want to stop this.
Perhaps they should get rid of the ban altogether? Seriously, with the trade deficit spiraling out of control, it makes no sense at all to ban exports.
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Re:beacon of freedom
It is really telling that the ATF gave over 2500 guns to Mexican drug cartels, and no one from the ATF, DOJ, or Obama Administration is sitting in jail.
It is really telling that the IRS targeted political opponents during an election year, and no one from the IRS, DOT, or Obama Administration is sitting in jail.
It is really telling that Obama campaign donors at Solyndra got $500,000,000 of tax payer money, promptly went bankrupt, and no one from the DOE is sitting in jail.
It is really telling that the Fed prints $75,000,000,000 a month, totaling over $4,000,000,000,000 in the last 5 years, and no one from the fed is sitting in jail.
It is really telling that the president himself breaks the PPACA on a daily basis by announcing parts he will be temporarily or permanently not enforcing, and he's not sitting in jail.Wow, that's a fun list. I count 3... 4? outright lies, 4 completely made up scandals, 1 thing taken completely out of context, several words that don't mean what you think they mean, and a complete lack of understanding as to how civics works.
It's always fun to debunk these kinds of lists, because I always learn something new, usually something that makes me proud of what our country is doing.
The only sad thing is that it takes me hours and the people posting them will either blindly ad hominem them ("YOU LINKED DAILYKOS THAT MEANS YOU ACTIVATED MY TRAP CARD~!~!"), call me a "liberal commy fagg 'MERICA hater", or ignore me and go right back to posting about how Obama was raised by Karl Marx on the Socialist Moonbase on the dark side of Mars or something. Or go back to quoting from the sites those guys run. Same difference, really.
Anyway, lets go!
1. Fast and Furious was made up. The entire thing was based on one right wing ATF source, who was discovered to be lying. It has been debunked so often that even the actual GOP doesn't mention it, only ultra-far right idiots in the Tea Party talk about it nowadays.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/20/irs-scandal-democratic-acorn_n_3785717.html2. Ditto for the IRS scandal, which was also made up. Darrel Issa asked the investigator to ignore the fact that the IRS was looking at all groups claiming to be charities, as they are REQUIRED TO DO BY LAW, and merely provide him talking points on Republican ones. The real scandal? The IRS failed to notice 10 out of 11 of the Koch brothers fake charities were fake charities. You'll note that Issa doesn't even bother talking about this one anymore, he's too busy trying to use Benghazi to kneecap President Hilary Clinton before her 2016 victory.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/06/26/1219172/-Here-s-how-Darrell-Issa-manufactured-the-IRS-scandal3. Solyndra's loan was one of Bush's projects, not Obama's, and there's a HUGE difference between George Kaiser (a billionaire who raised a whopping 50-100k for Obama) and the Kaiser Family Foundation (a charity he started). There's a whole boatload more of made up crap about Solyndra, it's a very transparent manufactured scandal to try and drive us away from Solar and Wind technologies -- because oil will never run out or anything. I'll just leave this link as an exercise to the reader:
http://ourfuture.org/20120926/the-phony-solyndra-solar-scandal4. Literally not true. The "Fed prints $75,000,000,000" is such a common meme that there are so many Tea Party sites shatting it out that it's hard to discover it's source. Took a while, but I found it - The fed is buying back a bunch of T-Bonds and Mortgage Bonds at the rate of 75 billion a month as part of the stimulus package, but that's not "printing money." The Feds have a FAQ entry up on it here, for those who don't roll
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Re:Dogs and Ponies, Center Stage
According to this http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2009104319/g20-manufacturing-output-capita he would be mostly right
I didn't say the USA doesn't manufacture anything. Get rid of the outliers, though, and most Americans aren't creating anything. Most Americans don't even know how to use any of the machines that permit such massive output. At any given time, machines whose creators are dead are still operating... to whom do we give the credit for the output of robots?
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Re:Dogs and Ponies, Center Stage
According to this http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2009104319/g20-manufacturing-output-capita he would be mostly right. There is only a few other per-capita output countries higher than the US.
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Re:you could steal secrets back.. and are
You are right in you claim in that that the US is measured as the largest manufacture. The thing is that the measurements are done wrongly. You buy a Chinese toy dog for $0.2; you add a little label at a cost of $0.03 with $0.07 of labour ; you sell it for $2. You claim to have done $1.70 of manufacturing. The real truth is that the Chinese factory did $2 worth of manufacturing but doesn't yet have the contacts to realise that value.
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Re:"Gat Back"? When did you start?
You need to learn how to read charts. That chart and every other chart you can find show pretty much the same thing. Without the colors to tell the difference, you wouldn't be able to tell whether it was Dems or Reps causing the filibusters.
The number of filibusters by either side has been steadily rising. It doesn't matter who started it. All that you can guarantee is that the other party will do the same shortly after.
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Re:Not a question of ethics?
Regarding "Most of our industry and manufacturing jobs have already left the country", you should be aware that US manufacturing output reached an all-time high in 2008, and although our most recent economic recession did reduce output, it is back to 2002 levels.
It is true that US manufacturing jobs are being reduced. However US manufacturing industry is doing OK due to productivity increases (mainly automation). This is similar to what happened with agriculture, we went from a country where 80% of people farmed, to one where 2% of people farm yet they produce far more food with their motorized combines and GPS-aided fertilizer applications than when 80% of people hooked up their plow to their ox.
"The problem is, manufacturing brings in money, consuming loses it." You really need to read Adam Smith's "The Wealth of Nations", because he debunked this back in 1775. A nation's wealth is not the quantity of gold and silver in its vaults (achieved by trade), but the total of its production and commerce.
Most of US GDP consists of creation of wealth inside the country. US GDP in 2010 was $14.7 trillion. The whole 2010 trade deficit was $500 billion, about 3% of US GDP (which is a bit of double counting, because the trade deficit is subtracted from US production to arrive at the GDP number). And in truth, about half the US trade deficit is due to petroleum imports.
"it gets to the point where more and more people in the US are unable to afford to purchase these goods."
Yet US average incomes are going up (and medians are at least stable), so apparently you are wrong.
If the U.S. manufacturing sector were a separate country, it would be tied with Germany as the world's third largest economy. It would also be larger than the entire economies of India and Russia combined.
"The best way to make money is to make something." I'd argue the best way to make money is to design something. Take the iPod, designed in the US by Apple, using some parts designed in the US but built in non-Chinese Asian factories, for final assembly in China. About one half the retail price of $299 from the sale of an iPod goes to American companies, mainly for design.
Now I will agree that I am concerned about the ability of the US labor force to be able to adopt the skills required to become designers. However, they will either be competing with cheap workers from developing countries, or they will be competing with robots for manufacturing jobs, so we better figure out how to educate our people better.
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Re:Way to prove their point!
The perception that the US manufacturing sector is anemic, in decline, or that it no longer manufactures anything is false.
The United States is the world's largest manufacturer, with a 2007 industrial output of US$2.69 trillion. In 2008, its manufacturing output was greater than that of the manufacturing output of China, India, and Brazil combined, despite manufacturing being a very small portion of the entire US economy as compared to most other countries.
http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2009104319/g20-manufacturing-output-capita
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Re:Tipping Point
Well, you can start here. The US produces more than anyone else in the world.
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Re:According to US Senator Harry Reid ...
First, as even your link attests, Republicans haven't used filibusters 3x as much as Democrats did - they're just on pace to, which is very different; keep in mind that many of those cloture votes were used to stall the health care bill. Also, if you take a look at another graph on your reference, you'll notice that cloture votes have been trending up for over a decade as both parties use every rule possible to get their agendas enacted and their opponents' agenda disrupted. It's because of this trend that senators of both parties have brought up the so-called "nuclear option" from time to time.
The insane part about those votes is that filibusters and 3/5 majorities have nothing to do with the Constitution. All the Constitution says is that the Senate has the right to set its own floor rules. The entire reason cloture exists at all is because somebody decided it was a good idea to throw it in over 200 years ago.
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Re:According to US Senator Harry Reid ...
Democrats did occasionally use filibusters, as every minority has. But Republicans have used filibusters 3x as much as Democrats did when Republicans had a slimmer minority before them, and far more than usual. Republicans even threatened to eliminate the privilege they now abuse specifically to prevent Democrats from stopping long-term judicial appointments, though Republicans prevented more judicial appointments before that, under Clinton.
As usual, though Democrats might not be so good, Republicans are far worse. Saying "they both do it" is a false equivalency that hides Republicans being so bad that they paralyze governement. Right when Democrats are working to fix things Republicans broke with their majority.
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Re:Importance of Competitive Choices
This incident underscores the importance of fighting monopolies and ensuring the availability of competitive choices. If Microsoft had succeeded in driving all other browsers out of the market in 2000, then today, we would not have any other choice and would be forced to use a browser with a dangerous security risk.
We should applaud the recent work by the European Commission in demanding that Microsoft design their European version of Windows to allow users to choose the browser that they want -- thus, allowing them to never install Internet Explorer. The European Commission has been better advocate of free-market competition than the American Federal Trade Commission.
Therein lies a bit of irony. Washington often claims that the USA is a freer free market than the European Union. Yet, the Union is the political body which hit -- hard -- Microsoft's anticompetitive behavior.
Hell No! Microsoft is an American company - AMERICAN!
WE are the only ones that can pick on them - not those cigarette smoking - wine sipping - half-assed socialist - high tax - cowardly - freedom hating - Europeans!
It's one thing for us to bitch and moan about MS -we're Americans - but the Europeans!? Hell no! MS brings MONEY into the US! They provide jobs to Americans!
Wait a tic, I think I'll change my mind.
Ah, fuck'em.
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Re:Let's take Beck out of the equation
"UCLA" does not disagree with my facts. Two (count them, two) scientists at UCLA disagree with my facts. Harold Cole and Lee Ohnian are right wing tools, bent on discrediting any 'liberal bias.' There have been numerous refutations of their conclusions since they wrote that paper. Here's one:
http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2009020603/fdr-failed-myth -
Obama's Excellent Bankruptcy Plan, +4, Helpful
is to continue the expenditure of U.S. federal dollars on military
fiascos.Good luck in the Gulag.
Yours In Communism,
Kilgore Trout -
Survival Depends On More Than Big Crowds +1, Fun
Survival depends on the military-industrial-Congressional complex.
Good luck in your gulag.
Seditiously As Always,
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Re:You'll never get your money back
What's more, we'll be billed for each of those at least once more, in direct and/or indirect costs. Now that those messes have been made, the best case scenario is that we will bear the burden of cleaning them up very soon. More likely is that they will be allowed to fester until the cost of righting the mistakes of the corporatist elites will be far more. Consider corporate welfare. Each of the $10,100,000,000 bestowed on Exxon-Mobil and other petroleum cartels not only comes from our tax payments today, it adds to our future tax and household expense burdens by prolonging the use of petroleum as the primary transportation fuel source beyond sustainable levels, and discouraging rapid adoption of alternative energy sources. Switching away from petroleum will without doubt be required. On cannot reasonably argue that it will not run out eventually, and it will be more trouble than it's worth much sooner than the "Drill, baby, drill" morons want to believe.
By postponing this inevitable switch, we only shorten the time available in which to do it and constrain ourselves to endure the transition with lower supply and higher demand, thus higher prices. From Econ 101/102, the relevant graph is a demand curve. Corporate welfare, like all mismanagement of collectivized expense, costs the collective at least twice: once to screw up, and at least once more to get it right. In the special case of a shrinking supply, the nature of economic forces states beyond a reasonable doubt that exponentially increasing long-term costs will be the result. Political science tells us in the current petroleum crisis to expect the same pressures, combined with corruption within (throughout is more like it) the military-industrial complex to result in more neo-colonial invasions, which will cause intermittent, marginal reductions in demand. Hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqi civilians are just the tip of the iceberg, unless petroleum consumption begins to drop faster than supply, very soon. -
Re:Conservative Freedom
Conservatives, for the most part, do not want the government to enter our lives. However, we value the following rights as tantamount to freedom: a) free speech, b) freedom of commerce, c) the right to hold property and d) the right to get income from the investment of that property. That is why, as a rule, you will see conservatives balk at any sort of proposed rule about what kind of car, house, medicine, or anything else that a person might own or buy.
Well that's odd... because all we've been seeing is the Conservative's "Mein Kampf", corporate police state for the past eight years... and conservatives have had control of all three branches of the federal government. Not only that, but while all this fascism was being put into place, the ONLY people supporting it have been Conservatives.
Warrantless wiretapping: supported by conservatives. Suspension of habeas corpus: supported by conservatives. Government control of public media (like Fox News): supported by conservatives. Government ignoring the civil rights of US citizens: supported by conservatives.
And that's not even getting into the conservative's historic support of fascist dictatorships throughout the world. How many democracies have conservatives overthrown in Latin America and elsewhere? How many people have conservatives had killed for trying to create labor unions in those countries? The reality of the situation is, conservatives hate democracy, and have an elitist view of government and a fascist view on how government should be run (or mismanaged, as it works out in reality).Conversely, the liberal would legislate the federal right to ALL property, and impose regulations on ANYTHING. Liberals always complain about "conservative fascism", but, then, their solutions always involve creating ever more regulation (and thus, devaluing property). Liberals might make you free in the Khmer Rouge sense of the word, but, ultimately, they make you poor.
Um... yeah. Listening to Rush Limbaugh descriptions of what liberals believe is SO 1980s. People aren't standing for your ignorant stupidity anymore. Let's look at the current housing crisis: that's another case of what E Coli Conservative principles get you. Enron was a PERFECT example of what conservative economic policies have to offer, and that's been born out by every single thing Conservatives have done and supported.
The American People no longer care to listen to Conservatards anymore: being a conservative is poison to an elected official. Thanks for the permanent one-party majority... we couldn't have done it without you. Really, we couldn't have, so thanks for self-destructing. America will be MUCH better off with conservative radicals disgraced and sidelined. The excuse for their failures is that somehow it didnt abide by some magical mystical "conservative principles"... but the reality, constantly revealed for over 30 years, is that conservatives have no principles.
So let's hear you pule and whinge about how fiscally conservative you are, while you preach we have to stay the course on a mismanaged war profiteer activity which has thus far looted at least $2 TRILLION of borrowed money which We The People are going to have to pay back. Thanks to Conservatives, our country has been sold to China, Saudi Arabia, and the UAE... but those countries are all run by conservative police state dictatorships! The facts show quite clearly that the deficit balloons EVERY TIME a conservative gets elected president... because "fiscal conservative" means deficit spending the country into oblivion.
The only way things will ever change is if conservatives ever start loving their children more than they hate America. But then again, "loving your children" means something different among conservatives. -
Dear John McCain:
What was your role in facilitating the Saving and Loans Crisis?
Thank you for your PatRIOTism.
PatRIOTically,
K. Trout -
Re:Damned if you do, damned if you don't
Funny how quick people are to point out that funds are still increasing while ignoring the fact that the smaller-than-planned increases will still force cutbacks in education programs.
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Re:Innovation...