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I am indeed still interested in doing the kite thing. I'd appreciate any assistance you could provide in getting touch with the right people. I can be reached most readily at pparadis@palegray.net.

That's why I always encrypt to myself as well as the recipient. It's not difficult.

What sort of Mac Mini are you using, an original G4 model or someting? I ran the demo just fine in Firefox 24.0 and Safari 6.0.5 on Mac OS 10.7.5 using a MacBook Pro from 2009. Here's a screenshot of Safari running jor1k.

When you say something doesn't work, you should probably include details on what you're trying to run the thing on. Mod parent down.

I can't help but find this a little ironic given the context of this story.

56 Marietta is a nice facility, though.

To get firmly back on topic, what you're suggesting is unworkable for many reasons. I've seen a few of those reasons firsthand.

Oh heavens, it must be happening again. I'm obviously experiencing a relapse of those terrible hallucinations that have plagued me for years.
Oh, wait, she's real after all.

Dude, you posted a photo of a laptop sitting on the armrest of an empty couch ;)

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Oh heavens, it must be happening again. I'm obviously experiencing a relapse of those terrible hallucinations that have plagued me for years. Oddly enough, they seem to be at their worst when I'm at home. I've had visions of a beautiful woman in my house, with two beautiful little girls running around as well. I know, I should seek medical attention immediately, as this could be a sign of a serious condition. Speaking of conditions, my sense of reality is so distorted that I've come to believe my fictitious wife is pregnant with our third child! I've obviously taken a head first dive off the deep end.

Oh, wait, she's real after all. There she is, sitting on my couch, with her laptop running Debian 7, eating the steak I just cooked, wearing a shirt from my employer, grimacing at the thought of me putting this on Facebook. I guess I only stretched the truth a tad by putting it on /. instead.

At the risk of getting called out for double posting, here's the screencap for that transaction I just mentioned in my last reply.

Current BTC exchange rates and trading volumes offer quite a different view.

With Apple's market cap sitting at over USD $400 billion, there's a pretty short list of outfits that even could pay. Further, market capitalization is simply the product of the share price and the number of shares outstanding. It's worth what the market says it's worth, and it's certainly not an island in terms of bubble characteristics if that was truly where you were trying to take the conversation.

The author of that article clearly references his association with HyperDex in the "About Me" box in the top right area of the page. Following the "more..." link, you find another reference to HyperDex. He's not exactly hiding his involvement in the project; how are you supposing people would miss it or somehow feel the urge to claim deceit on his part?

I didn't know about HyperDex before reading the GPP comment, and might play with it this weekend. Maybe you should, too, especially since it's apparently at rc2 status now. Cheers!

The author of that article clearly references his association with HyperDex in the "About Me" box in the top right area of the page. Following the "more..." link, you find another reference to HyperDex. He's not exactly hiding his involvement in the project; how are you supposing people would miss it or somehow feel the urge to claim deceit on his part?

I didn't know about HyperDex before reading the GPP comment, and might play with it this weekend. Maybe you should, too, especially since it's apparently at rc2 status now. Cheers!

The author of that article clearly references his association with HyperDex in the "About Me" box in the top right area of the page. Following the "more..." link, you find another reference to HyperDex. He's not exactly hiding his involvement in the project; how are you supposing people would miss it or somehow feel the urge to claim deceit on his part?

I didn't know about HyperDex before reading the GPP comment, and might play with it this weekend. Maybe you should, too, especially since it's apparently at rc2 status now. Cheers!

Here you go, buddy: the actual image in question. The original source site is run by a buddy of mine, fancy finding it linked in a /. post.

Wrong. Only a very small subset (GPL and its derivatives) of the Open Source licenses actually require you to share your source with your binaries. Most (BSD, MIT, Apache, MPL, zlib) don't.

That's a very misleading statement. While there are tons of OSI-approved licenses, and many others that haven't been subjected to any formal review criteria, I'd love to see statistics on how many projects use licenses that require code sharing versus those that don't. Given the enormous growth in popularity of the GPL alone over the last decade alone, and my personal memory of over 20 years of open source and free software, I strongly suspect the number of projects that require sharing code will dwarf the alternative.

In fact, the GPL seems to have become the "default" license for free software in many respects, even though many people who license their code under the GPL honestly don't understand the license at all (that comes directly from my personal interactions with lots of developers). This is an unfortunate state of affairs from some perspectives, but it's reality. I license the majority of my code under BSD-style licenses, but I freely (haha, I'll be here all week, tip your waiter, try the veal) admit that I'm most likely in the minority these days.

There's code from mtr in WinMTR.

The real issue is whether that code is still in the current version of WinMTR. The source code for the new version hasn't yet been released, so it remains to be seen.

Worse, there actually appears to be code directly copied from mtr in the WinMTR codebase, which contradicts Appnor's current claim that it was independently developed.

Their claim is that 0.9, the current version, does not include code from mtr. They are going back to using the GPL for WinMTR and will be releasing the source - so that's the version to check if you want to find out if they were telling the truth.

Just because no one has been contributing code doesn't mean that we don't value building the binary from source. In fact, for security reasons, we prefer to build from source and not trust binaries.

However, it is obvious that there is code in WinMTR taken directly or derived from MTR proper. It doesn't take a lawyer to tell you you are violating the GPL.

For example:
from mtr src/net.c:

int new_sequence(int index)
{
    static int next_sequence = MinSequence;
    int seq;

    seq = next_sequence++;
    if (next_sequence >= MaxSequence)
        next_sequence = MinSequence;

    sequence[seq].index = index;
    sequence[seq].transit = 1;
    sequence[seq].saved_seq = ++host[index].xmit;
    memset(&sequence[seq].time, 0, sizeof(sequence[seq].time));

    host[index].transit = 1;
    if (host[index].sent)
        host[index].up = 0;
    host[index].sent = 1;
    net_save_xmit(index);

    return seq;
}

And from winmtr_source/WinMTRNet.cpp

int WinMTRNet::GetNewSequence(int index)
{
        static unsigned int next_sequence = 0;
        int seq;

        seq = next_sequence++;
        if(next_sequence >= MaxSequence)
                next_sequence = 0;

        sequence[seq].index = index;
        sequence[seq].transit = 1;
        sequence[seq].saved_seq = ++host[index].xmit;
        memset(&sequence[seq].time, 0, sizeof(sequence[seq].time));

        host[index].transit = 1;
        SaveXmit(index);

        return seq;
}

Unfortunately, Appnor's claim appears to be a lie, as WinMTR contains code from mtr.

There's code from mtr in WinMTR.

Worse, there actually appears to be code directly copied from mtr in the WinMTR codebase, which contradicts Appnor's current claim that it was independently developed.

sequence[seq].index = index;
sequence[seq].transit = 1;
sequence[seq].saved_seq = ++host[index].xmit;

appear in both sources.

Clearly WinMTR 0.8 is based on Matt's Traceroute. See my comment attached to TFA.

I find your post thought-provoking enough to merit a response off-list, if you're interested. Drop me a line at philip.paradis@palegray.net.

Disclaimer: I'm about ass-deep in whiskey right now, and fairly sleep deprived. Mod me as you will.

Here's some "true talk" for anybody considering posting a racist troll, whether it's on Slashdot or any other forum on our glorious World Wide Web. While I, as a Constitution-upholding sort of guy, fully support your basic human right of free speech and free expression, I honestly wish all you racist pricks would die a slow and painful death at the hands of a seriously disturbed motherfucker. I'm generally against capital punishment, with you assholes as my sole exception. Sidenote: Yep, a conservative libertarian serving in the military (hard-liners, please don't bother posting your objections to military service, I have my reasons), I'm against a justice system which could kill one innocent person.

I'm a 26 year old white guy, born and raised in Stone Mountain, Georgia. I was a career software developer and network security specialist before joining the Navy about a year and a half ago. My whole life, I've had to deal with uneducated, fuckwitted racist pricks. They're not all from the South, by the way, not by a long shot... here's some stuff to consider before your punk ass little 15 year old hands click the "Submit Comment" button on your favorite forum.

Thousands of your fellow citizens, who happened to be black, fought and died in World Wars I and II. Thousands more fought and died in Korea and Vietnam. I serve our nation alongside thousands more, many of whom are Iraq and Afghanistan right now bleeding because they chose to enlist in the armed forces of our nation and "obey the orders of those appointed over them." Many of those I serve alongside in the submarine community happen to be black.

I'll make you an offer. Why don't you email me at philip.paradis@palegray.net and give me some solid contact information I can work with? I'd love to have a friendly chat with you regarding your views on racial equality. If you're out of my liberty area, that's no problem... I'm sure I can get in touch with somebody in the service in your neighborhood who would be delighted to have a friendly wrestling match with your bitch ass. I'm sure you're a fucking pussy who won't actually own up to your childish behavior, but that's okay... I'm still out here defending your right to post asinine comments on public forums. So go fuck yourself.