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Pale Moon seems the best, at present.
That is my experience with Pale Moon, also. The latest version, 27.6.0 (64-bits), is far more stable than Firefox. Recently I had to do a lot of research. I had 55 windows and 135 tabs open. There were no problems.
Pale Moon 64-bits
Pale Moon 32-bits
Pale Moon Portable
Ghostery does not install in Pale Moon, so I use the Disconnect extension.
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Because Firefox sucks, that's why
Firefox sucks. Use Pale Moon .
Although everything gets slower and slower as they cram more and more into websites. Gotta have ads, and flying banners, and things minimizing, and embedded video auto-starting, and all that shit. For some reason.
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Pale Moon
Pale Moon, a Firefox fork, has had this for ages in about:config
Just set "canvas.poisondata" to "true" -
List of add-ons I use. All but 4 listed as Legacy.Add-ons marked as Legacy: All but CanvasBlocker, Ghostery, Nuke Anything, and uBlock Origin in the list below. Wow! NoScript is marked as legacy!
Add-ons Links
Firefox, WaterFox, and Pale Moon Browsers
For security: Get add-ons only from Mozilla.org web pages.
Pale moon add-ons
List:- Adblock Latitude For Pale Moon browser only. Blocks display of ads. "Adblock Latitude is a direct fork of Adblock Plus made specifically for the Pale Moon browser."
- BetterPrivacy Deletes Local Shared Objects, LSOs. LSOs are files placed on your computer by the Adobe Systems Flash plug-in. Use of Adobe Flash allows web sites to track you, permanently even though your browser is configured to delete the files known as "Cookies" after each re-starting of your operating system.
- CanvasBiocker Prevents websites from using the Javascript <canvas> API to fingerprint them.
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Classic Theme
Restorer Quoting 3 paragraphs:
"This add-on will stop working when Firefox 57 arrives in November 2017."
"This add-on will stop working when Firefox 57 arrives in November 2017 and Mozilla drops support for XUL / XPCOM / legacy add-ons. It should still work on Firefox 52 ESR until ESR moves to Firefox 59 ESR in 2018 (~Q2)".
"There is no 'please port it' or 'please add support for it' this time, because the entire add-on eco system changes and the technology behind this kind of add-on gets dropped without replacement." - Cookies Manager+
- Disconnect
- Facebook Blocker Prevents Facebook from following you everywhere there are Facebook "Like" buttons.
- Firebug "Firebug integrates with Firefox to put a wealth of development tools at your fingertips while you browse. You can edit, debug, and monitor CSS, HTML, and JavaScript live in any web page..."
- FlashStopper Stops video autoplay and shows a preview thumbnail. On Sept. 9, 2017 does not work with YouTube because it prevents reading comments; there is a working version in the development branch.
- Ghostery I don't know if Ghostery still sells data: Ghostery sells data it collects. (Business Insider, Jun 18, 2013) Ghostery web site
- HTTPS Everywhere Doesn't install in Pale Moon. Encrypts traffic by using HTTPS encryption rather than HTTP wherever web sites accept HTTPS. See How to Protect Your Data After Congress Passed Legislation That Allows Your Internet Search History to Be Sold (Vogue Magazine, March 29, 2017)
- Mozilla Archive Format For Firefox and Waterfox only. Saves web pages. For the Pale Moon browser, use MozArchiver.
- MozArchiver For Pale Moon browser only. Like Mozilla Archive Format that is used with Firefox. Saves w
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List of add-ons I use. All but 4 listed as Legacy.Add-ons marked as Legacy: All but CanvasBlocker, Ghostery, Nuke Anything, and uBlock Origin in the list below. Wow! NoScript is marked as legacy!
Add-ons Links
Firefox, WaterFox, and Pale Moon Browsers
For security: Get add-ons only from Mozilla.org web pages.
Pale moon add-ons
List:- Adblock Latitude For Pale Moon browser only. Blocks display of ads. "Adblock Latitude is a direct fork of Adblock Plus made specifically for the Pale Moon browser."
- BetterPrivacy Deletes Local Shared Objects, LSOs. LSOs are files placed on your computer by the Adobe Systems Flash plug-in. Use of Adobe Flash allows web sites to track you, permanently even though your browser is configured to delete the files known as "Cookies" after each re-starting of your operating system.
- CanvasBiocker Prevents websites from using the Javascript <canvas> API to fingerprint them.
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Classic Theme
Restorer Quoting 3 paragraphs:
"This add-on will stop working when Firefox 57 arrives in November 2017."
"This add-on will stop working when Firefox 57 arrives in November 2017 and Mozilla drops support for XUL / XPCOM / legacy add-ons. It should still work on Firefox 52 ESR until ESR moves to Firefox 59 ESR in 2018 (~Q2)".
"There is no 'please port it' or 'please add support for it' this time, because the entire add-on eco system changes and the technology behind this kind of add-on gets dropped without replacement." - Cookies Manager+
- Disconnect
- Facebook Blocker Prevents Facebook from following you everywhere there are Facebook "Like" buttons.
- Firebug "Firebug integrates with Firefox to put a wealth of development tools at your fingertips while you browse. You can edit, debug, and monitor CSS, HTML, and JavaScript live in any web page..."
- FlashStopper Stops video autoplay and shows a preview thumbnail. On Sept. 9, 2017 does not work with YouTube because it prevents reading comments; there is a working version in the development branch.
- Ghostery I don't know if Ghostery still sells data: Ghostery sells data it collects. (Business Insider, Jun 18, 2013) Ghostery web site
- HTTPS Everywhere Doesn't install in Pale Moon. Encrypts traffic by using HTTPS encryption rather than HTTP wherever web sites accept HTTPS. See How to Protect Your Data After Congress Passed Legislation That Allows Your Internet Search History to Be Sold (Vogue Magazine, March 29, 2017)
- Mozilla Archive Format For Firefox and Waterfox only. Saves web pages. For the Pale Moon browser, use MozArchiver.
- MozArchiver For Pale Moon browser only. Like Mozilla Archive Format that is used with Firefox. Saves w
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List of add-ons I use. All but 4 listed as Legacy.Add-ons marked as Legacy: All but CanvasBlocker, Ghostery, Nuke Anything, and uBlock Origin in the list below. Wow! NoScript is marked as legacy!
Add-ons Links
Firefox, WaterFox, and Pale Moon Browsers
For security: Get add-ons only from Mozilla.org web pages.
Pale moon add-ons
List:- Adblock Latitude For Pale Moon browser only. Blocks display of ads. "Adblock Latitude is a direct fork of Adblock Plus made specifically for the Pale Moon browser."
- BetterPrivacy Deletes Local Shared Objects, LSOs. LSOs are files placed on your computer by the Adobe Systems Flash plug-in. Use of Adobe Flash allows web sites to track you, permanently even though your browser is configured to delete the files known as "Cookies" after each re-starting of your operating system.
- CanvasBiocker Prevents websites from using the Javascript <canvas> API to fingerprint them.
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Classic Theme
Restorer Quoting 3 paragraphs:
"This add-on will stop working when Firefox 57 arrives in November 2017."
"This add-on will stop working when Firefox 57 arrives in November 2017 and Mozilla drops support for XUL / XPCOM / legacy add-ons. It should still work on Firefox 52 ESR until ESR moves to Firefox 59 ESR in 2018 (~Q2)".
"There is no 'please port it' or 'please add support for it' this time, because the entire add-on eco system changes and the technology behind this kind of add-on gets dropped without replacement." - Cookies Manager+
- Disconnect
- Facebook Blocker Prevents Facebook from following you everywhere there are Facebook "Like" buttons.
- Firebug "Firebug integrates with Firefox to put a wealth of development tools at your fingertips while you browse. You can edit, debug, and monitor CSS, HTML, and JavaScript live in any web page..."
- FlashStopper Stops video autoplay and shows a preview thumbnail. On Sept. 9, 2017 does not work with YouTube because it prevents reading comments; there is a working version in the development branch.
- Ghostery I don't know if Ghostery still sells data: Ghostery sells data it collects. (Business Insider, Jun 18, 2013) Ghostery web site
- HTTPS Everywhere Doesn't install in Pale Moon. Encrypts traffic by using HTTPS encryption rather than HTTP wherever web sites accept HTTPS. See How to Protect Your Data After Congress Passed Legislation That Allows Your Internet Search History to Be Sold (Vogue Magazine, March 29, 2017)
- Mozilla Archive Format For Firefox and Waterfox only. Saves web pages. For the Pale Moon browser, use MozArchiver.
- MozArchiver For Pale Moon browser only. Like Mozilla Archive Format that is used with Firefox. Saves w
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Re:Firefox is dead (but not its legacy)
I tried WF.. was ok, but too many compat probs with older FF (was still running last pre-4.0 version at the time) addins. Instead I later found Pale Moon, which has tried to provide compat support for many older FF addins. When I first found P.M. it was able to support FF's older plugins with few or no changes.
Pale Moon has moved forward, but not at the same pace as FF -- trying to provide support and ports of older FF extensions for years -- to allow gradual moving to newer extension-models. The project lead even provided a compatibility tool months in advance, to tell you exactly which of your extensions would work, need updating or replacement, *months* before a newer, incompatible add-on model was released -- something that was VERY useful, and with it's detail, almost unheard-of in the SW industry these days.
PM has a FF-masquerade mode, where it can ID itself as FF, and gain FF compatibility with many of the FF extensions on AMO (FF addons.mozilla.org site) still working, though usually one had to use a addon for an earlier FF as current FF-add-ons had tried to go for current FF compat.
The 64-bit space really helps. w/memory issues -- though with 32-bit
FF, modding the binary to give a 3GB/1GB User:System address space (vs. 2/2) REALLY helped tide me over until I found an acceptable 64-bit solution. With a 3G/1G address space you get a 50% increase in user address space which really relieved memory pressure until a reasonable 64-bit version could come out.I haven't tried WaterFox recently, but it didn't have the same goals of trying to support previous add-on models that PM has had. Alert -- would need to an alternate browser to access this site (I maintain current IE+Opera versions to provide backup access to sites) as only supports newer encryption models ( Cannot communicate securely with peer: no common encryption algorithm(s)). SSL labs gives it an A+ for encryption usage, BUT says This site works only in browsers with SNI support. ?? Oh well...
FWIW, I'm writing this with Palemoon right now. At http://www.palemoon.org/, it mentions its latest release (v27.5.1) being less than 3 weeks ago on 2017-10-10. Also has an active user forum which is helpful for find solutions to various problems.
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Microsoft, please port Edge to Linux and macOS!
Microsoft, please port Edge to Linux and macOS!
With Firefox having essentially destroyed itself, and with Firefox 57 breaking nearly all of my extensions, I'm in the market for a new browser. I prefer to use the same browser on all the systems I use, so it has to support Linux and macOS.
I refuse to use Pale Moon after how its development team treated Pale Moon's users so awfully during the AdNauseam extension blocking disaster. Pale Moon doesn't even exist now, as far as I'm concerned.
I also don't want to use any Chromium-derived browser, including Chrome, Vivaldi, Opera or Brave. I do like Safari, but it doesn't work on Linux, obviously.
If Edge were ported to Linux and macOS, it could finally become the cross-platform Chrome competitor we've all wanted for so long, or at least since Firefox went shitty.
I would gladly use Edge if it supported the OSes that I use.
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Re:Maybe...?
Please refer to this discussion in the Pale Moon forums.
In short, the developer of Pale Moon ("Moonchild") decided to blacklist the AdNauseam extension for ideological reasons. This change was forced on Pale Moon's users, who were generally very much against this change happening. Users can still use the extension, but they have to jump through hoops that involve changing about:config values. Then the forum discussion about this debacle was abruptly closed, with Pale Moon's users effectively being told to fuck off.
I'm not a Pale Moon user, but after this debacle I will never be one. I think that this has totally ruined Pale Moon's reputation, at least for me. A browser vendor should never decide which extensions the browser users can or can't use. I don't care if it's possible to break the configuration so that the extension can be used. Users should never have to do that.
I think it's also very distasteful how Pale Moon's users were treated so poorly. Many of them switched to Pale Moon from Firefox because they were tired of Firefox's developers making unwanted changes like this and forcing these changes on Firefox's users. Now Pale Moon is treating them just as badly.
As far as I'm concerned, this one incident makes Pale Moon completely unusable, now and in the future. I just can't trust its development team after this.
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Re: Should do the same with Google certificates
citation needed
Perhaps you need a little bit more?
I hope you learned your lesson, son.
Brave is slimeware. It's filled with all sorts of commercial bullshit like ads, tracking and monetization crap.
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Get another web browser that still use Gecko...
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Re:End of Firefox
Pale Moon isn't Gecko-based, it uses Goanna, a different layout engine. Just read on the home page for Pale Moon: http://www.palemoon.org/
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Fuck Pale Moon after the AdNauseam debacle.
Recently there was a pathetic debacle where the Pale Moon lead developer decided to blacklist the AdNauseam extension, mainly for personal ideological reasons.
When confronted by the community, Pale Moon's users were effectively told to fuck off. When it became very clear that the Pale Moon users were not happy about this unwanted change, the discussion topic was locked, and the users were effectively told to fuck of and die.
This is the same sort of bullshit that Firefox was pulling on its users, forcing unwanted changes on them. This is the same kind of behavior that drove many of these victims to Pale Moon to begin with.
It should be up to users whether or not they want to use an extension like AdNauseum.
I will never use Pale Moon again after that debacle. It's the kind of incident that can't be excused.
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Fuck Pale Moon after the AdNauseam debacle.
Recently there was a pathetic debacle where the Pale Moon lead developer decided to blacklist the AdNauseam extension, mainly for personal ideological reasons.
When confronted by the community, Pale Moon's users were effectively told to fuck off. When it became very clear that the Pale Moon users were not happy about this unwanted change, the discussion topic was locked, and the users were effectively told to fuck of and die.
This is the same sort of bullshit that Firefox was pulling on its users, forcing unwanted changes on them. This is the same kind of behavior that drove many of these victims to Pale Moon to begin with.
It should be up to users whether or not they want to use an extension like AdNauseum.
I will never use Pale Moon again after that debacle. It's the kind of incident that can't be excused.
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Re:Pale Moon
Pale Moon disables Ad Nauseum via an extension blocklist. Not because the addon is a security risk, but because Moonchild thinks the threat of losing revenue is more important than freedom of choice. Use a browser that respects your freedoms.
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'Less than a year' is 'Today'
I have already switched to Pale Moon for Windows. I also did the same for my Mac, even though Pale Moon is still experimental on macOS and I needed to do a long search for its latest version. (If you are interested, it is here.
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My add-on list: All are marked as "Legacy".The big issue: Technology companies are usually badly managed. Mozilla Foundation is just one example.
My list, updated from the list I posted to another story. Every add-on is marked "Legacy" in Firefox version 55.0.3 64-bits.- Adblock Latitude For Pale Moon browser only. Blocks display of ads. "Adblock Latitude is a direct fork of Adblock Plus made specifically for the Pale Moon browser."
- BetterPrivacy Deletes Local Shared Objects, LSOs. LSOs are files placed on your computer by the Adobe Systems Flash plug-in. Use of Adobe Flash allows web sites to track you, permanently even though your browser is configured to delete the files known as "Cookies" after each re-starting of your operating system.
- CanvasBiocker Prevents websites from using the Javascript <canvas> API to fingerprint them.
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Classic Theme
Restorer Quoting 3 paragraphs:
"This add-on will stop working when Firefox 57 arrives in November 2017."
"This add-on will stop working when Firefox 57 arrives in November 2017 and Mozilla drops support for XUL / XPCOM / legacy add-ons. It should still work on Firefox 52 ESR until ESR moves to Firefox 59 ESR in 2018 (~Q2)".
"There is no 'please port it' or 'please add support for it' this time, because the entire add-on eco system changes and the technology behind this kind of add-on gets dropped without replacement."
- Cookies Manager+
- Disconnect
- Facebook Blocker Prevents Facebook from following you everywhere there are Facebook "Like" buttons.
- Firebug "Firebug integrates with Firefox to put a wealth of development tools at your fingertips while you browse. You can edit, debug, and monitor CSS, HTML, and JavaScript live in any web page..."
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Ghostery
DON'T UPDATE. New versions don't allow sufficient user control.
USE THIS: ghostery-5.4.10-sm+an+fx.xpi Link: Version 5.4.10
Ghostery sells data it collects. (Business Insider, Jun 18, 2013)
Ghostery web site - HTTPS Everywhere Doesn't install in Pale Moon. Encrypts traffic by using HTTPS encryption rather than HTTP wherever web sites accept HTTPS. See How to Protect Your Data After Congress Passed Legislation That Allows Your Internet Search History to Be Sold (Vogue Magazine, March 29, 2017)
- Mozilla Archive Format For Firefox and Waterfox only. Saves web pages. For the Pale Moon browser, use MozArchiver.
- MozArchiver For Pale Moon browser only. Like Mozilla Archive Format that is used with Firefox. Saves web pages.
- NoScript "The NoScript Firefox extension provides extra protection for Firefox, Seamonkey and other mozilla-based browsers: this free, open source add-on allows
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My add-on list: All are marked as "Legacy".The big issue: Technology companies are usually badly managed. Mozilla Foundation is just one example.
My list, updated from the list I posted to another story. Every add-on is marked "Legacy" in Firefox version 55.0.3 64-bits.- Adblock Latitude For Pale Moon browser only. Blocks display of ads. "Adblock Latitude is a direct fork of Adblock Plus made specifically for the Pale Moon browser."
- BetterPrivacy Deletes Local Shared Objects, LSOs. LSOs are files placed on your computer by the Adobe Systems Flash plug-in. Use of Adobe Flash allows web sites to track you, permanently even though your browser is configured to delete the files known as "Cookies" after each re-starting of your operating system.
- CanvasBiocker Prevents websites from using the Javascript <canvas> API to fingerprint them.
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Classic Theme
Restorer Quoting 3 paragraphs:
"This add-on will stop working when Firefox 57 arrives in November 2017."
"This add-on will stop working when Firefox 57 arrives in November 2017 and Mozilla drops support for XUL / XPCOM / legacy add-ons. It should still work on Firefox 52 ESR until ESR moves to Firefox 59 ESR in 2018 (~Q2)".
"There is no 'please port it' or 'please add support for it' this time, because the entire add-on eco system changes and the technology behind this kind of add-on gets dropped without replacement."
- Cookies Manager+
- Disconnect
- Facebook Blocker Prevents Facebook from following you everywhere there are Facebook "Like" buttons.
- Firebug "Firebug integrates with Firefox to put a wealth of development tools at your fingertips while you browse. You can edit, debug, and monitor CSS, HTML, and JavaScript live in any web page..."
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Ghostery
DON'T UPDATE. New versions don't allow sufficient user control.
USE THIS: ghostery-5.4.10-sm+an+fx.xpi Link: Version 5.4.10
Ghostery sells data it collects. (Business Insider, Jun 18, 2013)
Ghostery web site - HTTPS Everywhere Doesn't install in Pale Moon. Encrypts traffic by using HTTPS encryption rather than HTTP wherever web sites accept HTTPS. See How to Protect Your Data After Congress Passed Legislation That Allows Your Internet Search History to Be Sold (Vogue Magazine, March 29, 2017)
- Mozilla Archive Format For Firefox and Waterfox only. Saves web pages. For the Pale Moon browser, use MozArchiver.
- MozArchiver For Pale Moon browser only. Like Mozilla Archive Format that is used with Firefox. Saves web pages.
- NoScript "The NoScript Firefox extension provides extra protection for Firefox, Seamonkey and other mozilla-based browsers: this free, open source add-on allows
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Re:If Goog doesn't follow the standard, sue them?
First, a browser should randomly "click" on the ads and then just spew the resulting web page to
/dev/null. This would start creating false clicks. False clicks would cause the advertisers to start paying more only to discover that the effectiveness of Google advertising is becoming less and less useful.AdNauseam does this. Some think AdNauseam works a little too well. It was recently blocked by Pale Moon.
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What's his leadership style like?
What's his leadership style like? Is he a leader who gives the customers what the customers want? Or is he a leader who tells the customers what the customers want, even if the customers don't actually want it?
President Eisenhower and President Trump are examples of leaders who listen to what their customers (in these cases, the citizens of the USA) want, and then do whatever they can to deliver what the customers want.
On the other hand, we can look to the Firefox and GNOME 3 leadership to see examples of leaders who tell the customers what the customers want, even when the customers don't want it, and then force it on the customers.
I mention Pale Moon, because there's currently a huge debate going on within its community. For those who don't know, Pale Moon is a fork of Firefox that tried to address a variety of problems with Firefox, including unwanted changes introduced by Firefox's leadership. Well, now the Pale Moon leadership is blocking by default a certain extension, and this has angered the Pale Moon community. This community has never seen this degree of strife before. This extremely controversial decision may even be enough to rip this particular community to shreds.
The Pale Moon example is interesting, because it shows that leadership that once fell into the give-the-customers-what-the-customers-want category can easily fall into the tell-the-customers-what-the-customers-want-even-when-the-customers-don't-want-it category.
So what is this fellow's leadership style like?
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Trust comes on foot but leaves on horseback
Yet another reason to switch to Pale Moon if you haven't already done so.
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Re:We can already see the future
And they have killed off a bunch of useful plugins by changing the API as well, so now I have transited to Pale Moon. Even though some plugins aren't supported there most of the essential are - or there are replacements.
And in Pale Moon you still have the ability to block third-party cookies without having to resort to a plugin.
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Re:Firefox may not survive WebExtensions.
Now I went for Pale Moon, and suddenly I'm back to the browser experience I'm used to since a long time - with the plugins working.
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List of extensions I use:"Broken extensions will no doubt anger many of Firefox's few remaining users."
Broken extensions will be EXTREMELY destructive to Firefox, in my opinion. Broken extensions will be as though Mozilla Foundation spent $100 million on advertising to kill Firefox. Extensions are the main reason I use Firefox and Pale Moon (Pale Moon had a 64-bit version before Firefox).
I installed Google's Chrome browser a long time ago. I discovered Chrome had installed 3 system services. So Chrome and Google had more control over my computer than I normally allow myself. Now, no more Chrome on any of my computers.
Why do software company managers become self-destructive? Firefox managers are EXTREMELY self-destructive, in my opinion. Google is rapidly traveling from "Do no evil" to "Do evil if it make money" if that initially makes money, in my opinion.
My Firefox and Pale Moon extensions
The first is a Pale Moon ad-blocker. Some Firefox extensions don't work in Pale Moon:- Adblock Latitude For Pale Moon browser only. Blocks display of ads. "Adblock Latitude is a direct fork of Adblock Plus made specifically for the Pale Moon browser."
- BetterPrivacy Deletes Local Shared Objects, LSOs. LSOs are files placed on your computer by the Adobe Systems Flash plug-in. Use of Adobe Flash allows web sites to track you, permanently even though your browser is configured to delete the files known as "Cookies" after each re-starting of your operating system.
- CanvasBiocker Prevents websites from using the Javascript <canvas> API to fingerprint them.
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Classic Theme
Restorer Quoting 3 paragraphs:
"This add-on will stop working when Firefox 57 arrives in November 2017."
"This add-on will stop working when Firefox 57 arrives in November 2017 and Mozilla drops support for XUL / XPCOM / legacy add-ons. It should still work on Firefox 52 ESR until ESR moves to Firefox 59 ESR in 2018 (~Q2).
"There is no 'please port it' or 'please add support for it' this time, because the entire add-on eco system changes and the technology behind this kind of add-on gets dropped without replacement."
- Cookies Manager+
- Disconnect
- Facebook Blocker Prevents Facebook from following you everywhere there are Facebook "Like" buttons.
- Firebug "Firebug integrates with Firefox to put a wealth of development tools at your fingertips while you browse. You can edit, debug, and monitor CSS, HTML, and JavaScript live in any web page..."
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Ghostery
DON'T UPDATE. New versions don't allow sufficient user control.
USE THIS: ghostery-5.4.10-sm+an+fx.xpi Link: Version 5.4.10
Ghostery sells data it collects. (Business Insider, Jun 18, 2013)
Ghostery web site - MozArchiver For Pale Moon browser only. Like Mozilla Archive Format that is used with Firefox. Saves web pages.
- Mozilla Archive Format For Firefox only. Saves web page
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List of extensions I use:"Broken extensions will no doubt anger many of Firefox's few remaining users."
Broken extensions will be EXTREMELY destructive to Firefox, in my opinion. Broken extensions will be as though Mozilla Foundation spent $100 million on advertising to kill Firefox. Extensions are the main reason I use Firefox and Pale Moon (Pale Moon had a 64-bit version before Firefox).
I installed Google's Chrome browser a long time ago. I discovered Chrome had installed 3 system services. So Chrome and Google had more control over my computer than I normally allow myself. Now, no more Chrome on any of my computers.
Why do software company managers become self-destructive? Firefox managers are EXTREMELY self-destructive, in my opinion. Google is rapidly traveling from "Do no evil" to "Do evil if it make money" if that initially makes money, in my opinion.
My Firefox and Pale Moon extensions
The first is a Pale Moon ad-blocker. Some Firefox extensions don't work in Pale Moon:- Adblock Latitude For Pale Moon browser only. Blocks display of ads. "Adblock Latitude is a direct fork of Adblock Plus made specifically for the Pale Moon browser."
- BetterPrivacy Deletes Local Shared Objects, LSOs. LSOs are files placed on your computer by the Adobe Systems Flash plug-in. Use of Adobe Flash allows web sites to track you, permanently even though your browser is configured to delete the files known as "Cookies" after each re-starting of your operating system.
- CanvasBiocker Prevents websites from using the Javascript <canvas> API to fingerprint them.
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Classic Theme
Restorer Quoting 3 paragraphs:
"This add-on will stop working when Firefox 57 arrives in November 2017."
"This add-on will stop working when Firefox 57 arrives in November 2017 and Mozilla drops support for XUL / XPCOM / legacy add-ons. It should still work on Firefox 52 ESR until ESR moves to Firefox 59 ESR in 2018 (~Q2).
"There is no 'please port it' or 'please add support for it' this time, because the entire add-on eco system changes and the technology behind this kind of add-on gets dropped without replacement."
- Cookies Manager+
- Disconnect
- Facebook Blocker Prevents Facebook from following you everywhere there are Facebook "Like" buttons.
- Firebug "Firebug integrates with Firefox to put a wealth of development tools at your fingertips while you browse. You can edit, debug, and monitor CSS, HTML, and JavaScript live in any web page..."
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Ghostery
DON'T UPDATE. New versions don't allow sufficient user control.
USE THIS: ghostery-5.4.10-sm+an+fx.xpi Link: Version 5.4.10
Ghostery sells data it collects. (Business Insider, Jun 18, 2013)
Ghostery web site - MozArchiver For Pale Moon browser only. Like Mozilla Archive Format that is used with Firefox. Saves web pages.
- Mozilla Archive Format For Firefox only. Saves web page
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List of extensions I use:"Broken extensions will no doubt anger many of Firefox's few remaining users."
Broken extensions will be EXTREMELY destructive to Firefox, in my opinion. Broken extensions will be as though Mozilla Foundation spent $100 million on advertising to kill Firefox. Extensions are the main reason I use Firefox and Pale Moon (Pale Moon had a 64-bit version before Firefox).
I installed Google's Chrome browser a long time ago. I discovered Chrome had installed 3 system services. So Chrome and Google had more control over my computer than I normally allow myself. Now, no more Chrome on any of my computers.
Why do software company managers become self-destructive? Firefox managers are EXTREMELY self-destructive, in my opinion. Google is rapidly traveling from "Do no evil" to "Do evil if it make money" if that initially makes money, in my opinion.
My Firefox and Pale Moon extensions
The first is a Pale Moon ad-blocker. Some Firefox extensions don't work in Pale Moon:- Adblock Latitude For Pale Moon browser only. Blocks display of ads. "Adblock Latitude is a direct fork of Adblock Plus made specifically for the Pale Moon browser."
- BetterPrivacy Deletes Local Shared Objects, LSOs. LSOs are files placed on your computer by the Adobe Systems Flash plug-in. Use of Adobe Flash allows web sites to track you, permanently even though your browser is configured to delete the files known as "Cookies" after each re-starting of your operating system.
- CanvasBiocker Prevents websites from using the Javascript <canvas> API to fingerprint them.
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Classic Theme
Restorer Quoting 3 paragraphs:
"This add-on will stop working when Firefox 57 arrives in November 2017."
"This add-on will stop working when Firefox 57 arrives in November 2017 and Mozilla drops support for XUL / XPCOM / legacy add-ons. It should still work on Firefox 52 ESR until ESR moves to Firefox 59 ESR in 2018 (~Q2).
"There is no 'please port it' or 'please add support for it' this time, because the entire add-on eco system changes and the technology behind this kind of add-on gets dropped without replacement."
- Cookies Manager+
- Disconnect
- Facebook Blocker Prevents Facebook from following you everywhere there are Facebook "Like" buttons.
- Firebug "Firebug integrates with Firefox to put a wealth of development tools at your fingertips while you browse. You can edit, debug, and monitor CSS, HTML, and JavaScript live in any web page..."
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Ghostery
DON'T UPDATE. New versions don't allow sufficient user control.
USE THIS: ghostery-5.4.10-sm+an+fx.xpi Link: Version 5.4.10
Ghostery sells data it collects. (Business Insider, Jun 18, 2013)
Ghostery web site - MozArchiver For Pale Moon browser only. Like Mozilla Archive Format that is used with Firefox. Saves web pages.
- Mozilla Archive Format For Firefox only. Saves web page
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Re:Flash?
don't you worry your pretty little head. mozilla's crack team of developers and project leaders are working very hard to just kill off the whole damn browser, and have been for about 2 1/2 years now. give them another six months to finish digging the grave.
on august 21st, i'm switching full time to pale moon. seemed like an appropriate time to do it.
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Re:Give us back Firefox then
https://www.palemoon.org/
actually.Palemoon.com just shooted me back in time showing a webpage that looks like it's 1998, about robert plant and jimmy page.
What was & What will be.
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Re:Give us back Firefox then
I went to your link and it is some... thing, an actual old 90s website still up, you meant http://palemoon.org/
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Re:Mozilla needs to focus on "extension neutrality
> in November we will be stuck with spyware browsers or
Or maybe getting Iridium, a chromium-based browser that removes the google tracking present in Chromium (and Chrome)?
https://iridiumbrowser.de/Or maybe checking out Pale Moon, based on an older baseline of Firefox?
https://www.palemoon.org/(note that the Pale Moon guy is also going to be building a browser based off of the Firefox baseline that supports the current extensions)
It's true, you'll still need a spyware browser for Netflix, and probably a couple other websites. But that doesn't mean you have to do 95% of your browsing there, when there are other alternatives.
Also there's that Brave browser, but I'm not sure on all the details about it being a non-spy browser yet.
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Re:My user_agent
Nah, that SOB is notorious for trying to up-sell you crap addons, while removing the steering wheel. Then he deflates your tires. Twice. Finally, once you get off the lot with it, you're still not done with him, because he remotely monitors all purchases and disables the engine if you try driving on a road he dislikes.
Supposedly, you can put the parts back in he took out, re-inflate the tires, kill the remote monitoring, and disable the engine kill switch, but then the holes in the body don't get fixed anymore unless you fill them yourself, and someone is always drilling new holes in it.....
Then there's his clones which can't even fix the holes without nagging you constantly to authorize it. There's no clear winner among them, and now we have a shadow of doubt over whether or not they will even keep breathing in the near future. Because they won't work together. So that SOB is still king, because his alternatives are worse, and he knows it.
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Re:Firefox 52 is the last real version of Firefox.
Something other than Pale Moon, you mean?
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Re:fork it
Already forked http://www.palemoon.org/ But they have *NOT* ported Atrocious^H^H^H^H^H^H Australis... awwwwwww.
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Re:Upgrade experience
> How many security updates have Pale Moon Devs done since "2 years ago"?
Check their announcements page https://forum.palemoon.org/vie... Since 2015/03/13 they've released 25.3, 25.3.1, 25.3.2, 25.4, 25.4.1, 25.5, 25.6, 25.7.0, 25.7.1, 25.7.2, 25.7.3, 25.8, 25.8.1, 26.0, 26.0.2 (Note; 26.0.1 "internal only"), 26.0.3, 26.1.0, 26.1.1, 26.2.0, 26.2.1, 26.2.2, 26.3.0, 26.3.1, 26.3.2, 26.3.3, 26.4.0, 26.4.0.1 (yes), 26.4.1, 26.5.0, 27.0.0, 27.0.1, 27.0.2, 27.0.3, 27.1.0, 27.1.1, and 27.1.2
That sounds like keeping up. Mind you, the version number bumping scheme is not ridiculously inflated, which might give the impression of an out-of-date browser.
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Re:Upgrade experience
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Re:Upgrade experience
Switch to Pale Moon, it is what FF USED to be before they decided to become a shitty Chrome clone. Nearly all your extensions work (for the few that don't work with the latest they have a handy link to a known working version and you can always contact the devs of your favorite extensions like I did and ask them to add Pale Moon support), it handles like the old FF, they even have a Linux version so if you want the same browser on both Windows and Linux with your bookmarks synced between the two? Its not a problem.
I switched nearly 2 years ago and I can tell you its really good and unlike FF they actually LISTEN TO THE USERS and don't take a steaming dump on the UI every other release like FF does.
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Re:Upgrade experience
Switch to Pale Moon, it is what FF USED to be before they decided to become a shitty Chrome clone. Nearly all your extensions work (for the few that don't work with the latest they have a handy link to a known working version and you can always contact the devs of your favorite extensions like I did and ask them to add Pale Moon support), it handles like the old FF, they even have a Linux version so if you want the same browser on both Windows and Linux with your bookmarks synced between the two? Its not a problem.
I switched nearly 2 years ago and I can tell you its really good and unlike FF they actually LISTEN TO THE USERS and don't take a steaming dump on the UI every other release like FF does.
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No Palemoon?
They have had a Linux build for ages and is in a lot of repos. I've been using it on my netbook (dual boot Win 7 and Puppy) and it works quite nicely in both Windows and Puppy, smooth and pretty solid.
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Re:Too bad Mozilla needs to be forked again
[Mozilla needs to be forked again] For XUL and Npapi compatibillity puerposes.[sic]
Mozilla is already forked for exactly this reason. But please read the WebExtensions FAQ before telling us again what you don't know about how and why Mozilla foundation intends to replace those previous-century APIs with something modern that benefits from an additional decade of experience with, among other things, security, privacy and performance issues. And maybe think about a thank you for opening the process up to public debate nice and early.
One point I would suggest paying particular attention to: Will I be able to do everything I can in a legacy technology? The answer is no. The details of that no are awfully important. This is for sure a place where educated feedback would be useful and most probably well received.
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The Future of Pale Moon
Thought this would be a relevant link to the only (customizable) alternative to FrozenFox 52.
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Re:Pale Moon is very nice
Most of the FF extensions work OOTB but they have a list of known incompatible extensions and in nearly every case they have a link to a previous version that works with Pale Moon.
I've been using it for a couple of years now, since it was obvious Mozilla was gonna commit suicide by turning FF into a badly support Chrome-Lite, and I have to say Pale Moon is a really solid browser. All of my extensions work, my theme works, and the few sites that didn't like Pale Moon were placated easy enough by changing the UserAgent. All in all I think its a great browser and hope my fellow
/. readers do as I do and ask your favorite extension devs that are being left in the cold by Moz to switch to Pale Moon, which with extension dev support could be the solid replacement to FF we've been wanting since Moz shit the bed with Australis -
Mozilla Will Deprecate Firefox By the End of 2017
That's what I read.
Already left them a long time ago for Pale Moon.
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Some people use the proper tool for the job
No. I use RSS feeds into live bookmarks straight to my browser's bookmark toolbar. I have done this for years, it's a wonderful technology you can use with virtually all news sites, and you can then easily pick and choose the articles you want from updated drop down folders on your toolbar.
- BBC World News: http://news.bbc.co.uk/rss/news...
- CBC World News: http://rss.cbc.ca/lineup/world...
- CBC Canadian News: http://rss.cbc.ca/lineup/canad...
- Globe & Mail World News: http://feeds.feedburner.com/Th...
- CNN World News: http://rss.cnn.com/rss/cnn_wor...
- CNN US News: http://rss.cnn.com/rss/cnn_us....
For Mozilla or (better yet) PaleMoon browsers you just click on the link above, then on the resultant page click Subscribe Now into Live Bookmarks. I suspect Chrome is similar. This will buy you automatically updated headlines from multiple respected news outlets with different viewpoints in dropdown menus. Why anyone would use Facebook for news is beyond me. If you ask me, anyone who does go to Facebook for news deserves what they get. Facebook is a sewer of trolls initiating social malware for the kick it gives them to see their garbage repeated. Go to news sources for news. Go to facebook to try and make yourself feel better about how well liked you are.
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If you want NPAPI, there is Pale Moon
Pale Moon is a long-established fork of Firefox that, among other things, is maintaining NPAPI support.
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Re:garbage article
If you want FF the way it used to be? Use Pale Moon, want FF with a newer UI and some whiz bang features added? Use Comodo Icedragon. That is the nice thing about today, we have real choices and aren't stuck in the old "Netscape VS IE" duopoly where you had to choose the least sucky of 2 sucky choices.
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I switched to PaleMoon a while ago.. and like it
Firefox was just getting too heavy for me. I'm on Linux, (Mint 18 XFCE) and it was taking 30-45 seconds to become responsive after launching. It would just sit there. Even if I launched it from the command line with a url, it refused to do anything for that time period was up. CPU and memory were not taxed or even being used by FF. I have an older processor, but plenty to handle a damn web browser. (Intel Core2 Quad Core, 8GB of RAM) Unless I open a ton of tabs and GIMP, I barely ever get past 4GB used. I have used FF almost exclusively since at least 1999. I went to Chromium for about a year a while ago, but came back to FF.
After a few months of putting up with its freezing issue, and hoping updates would fix it, I just had to quit using it. If I left it open, I would notice that the CPU would spike for several seconds on occasion, and hang out around 20% for a while. While no page was loaded. I could only put up with it for so long.
I have a few other browsers installed... Don't really like Chrome or Chromium. I like certain specific things about FF that other browsers don't have, at least not in the way I like them. Then I found Pale Moon , and it seems to fit the bill. There are still a few things I would like to be able to customize better, but so far it's the winner in my book. That may change, I don't know. But FF seems to just keep pushing me away.
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Such innovate, much wow
Here's to hoping that Pale Moon won't get rid of the ale. Ale does not make me ill.
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Perhaps, but that doesn't explain mine...
Firefox has been my browser of choice for a very long time. (My browser before FF was Netscape)
I have only a couple of add-ons. I run Linux/XFCE, have plenty of RAM and CPU.
A few years ago Firefox started to really bog down, so I switched to Chromium for about 6 months. I kept updating and trying Firefox, and eventually it got better. So I came back to it.About 6 months ago it started slowing down again. Here is how it would behave: when I would launch the browser, it would come up rather quickly. But it would be unresponsive for about 30 seconds. It wasn't using CPU or RAM, just sitting there. By default it opens to a blank tab. There was NO reason I could tell for the slowdown. Even if I opened it with a url, like from an email, it would still open in zombie mode and wait 30 seconds before even showing the url in the address bar. It was maddening.
So now I am running Pale Moon and love it. It's not slow, yet it maintains all the things I like about Firefox.
My wife is on Win7 and she faced her own issues with the recent versions of FF, and she switched over to Chrome. -
Re:Alternatives
I'm running Xubuntu. No need for a 'buntu or Debian package - just download the installation script from https://linux.palemoon.org/dow.... There are no automatic upgrade prompts, but running the install script again at any time after installation will allow you to get the latest update. I've been using Pale Moon on Xubuntu for well over a year, with zero conflicts or dependency problems.
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Re:Miss FF 3.6 already?
For Google-impaired^h^h^h^h different-searching people - Pale Moon is an old fork of FF. So if you don't like Chrome in your browser there is something you can do about it.
As to what wrong with PDF and Flash modules - they will be native, without easy way to turn this functionality off. So you will have large footprint, large attack surface and popular modules making you less secure.