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You might like to read this. It's easy to look back, but perhaps 100x more difficult to make decisions at the time. Are you sure of what you say? How do you know?
NO ONE knew when/if the Japanese would surrender!

For an excellent (and TV friendly) look at the porn industry in general, including the decency crackdown that was set to begin shortly before 9/11 happened and we developed 'other priorities' (namely supressing civil liberties it seems, but that's neither here nor there...), take a look at PBS/Frontline's "American Porn" which is available to watch for free here:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/porn /

They have it in Quicktime and Real formats.

This is kinda sneaky but you could pull a Microsoft and offer free wireless to everybody until the DSL competition dies out. :)
'Course you'd have to have the bandwidth and the financial cojones to stick it out but it might still be less than $500k...

Free wireless to build a user base may not be a bad idea, especially if those people are serving as relays to increase your service footprint.

But waiting until the DSL competition dies out? You realize, of course, that his main competitor will be the ILEC? This morning, the ILEC in my area is worth 79.3 billion dollars. The PUCs, their government regulators, would let them sell your kidneys before they'd let them go out of business.

So I'm thinking 500k won't quite cut it.

When was a defendant from a state case retried by the federal government on civil rights charges?

Does the name Rodney King ring a bell? See here.

This is all legal in the US under Bartkus (Bartkus v. Illinois, 359 U. S. 121 1959).

For the example of Albany, N.Y., well, you have to have lived there like I did. In Albany, many people register to vote as a Democrat simply because they're afraid they'll get taxed higher if they're Republican.

If every one of these voting machines printed out a line on some old dot-matrix printer in another room the instant every vote was cast, a technical difficulty would be a minor inconvenience instead of the catastrophe it is now, due to the audit trail. Cringely hints as much in this column: No Confidence Vote: Why the Current Touch Screen Voting Fiasco Was Pretty Much Inevitable

nuclear reactions are one of ( it not )the most abundant natural reaction(s) in the known universe. everything "green", plants, wind; is owed to the energy from our sun. A big, bright nuclear reaction.
The reason nuclear has such a bad rap is that it was introduced first as a weapon, instead of an energy supply. Look up "nuclear" on google images and you'll see what people first think of when they hear the word.
Had we created nuclear power plants before blowing stuff up people might view that infamous nuclear symbol as innocuous as the "+-" of electrical current.

There was an episode of Nova a while back called Descent into the Ice, which talked about a group of glacier explorers who were concerned about huge lakes of water forming inside glaciers.

Anyway, one of the people they talked to also did observation/research underneath a glacier. There had been tunnels dug through the mountain and up to the bottom of the glacier, and he set up a time lapse camera underneath the glacier.

It was one of the most amazing things I've ever seen. Ever.

This technology might also be useful for avalanche detection. I saw a program on PBS about the Mt. Blanc glacier. In 1892 a lake hidden in the interior of the glacier breached the glacial ice it was trapped in, and the resulting flood/avalanche killed 200 people in the town of Saint Gervais. The glaciers on Mt. Blanc have been retreating, but in melting process have developed large liquid water filled caves--which on the PBS program they got some loonies to go dive in. Other mountains probably have similar melting features, so if you could deposit sensors like those in the article into these glaciers you might be able to avert disaster.

wrecked its economy by going too far with some socialistic ideals!?!?!?

The California *I* live in was wrecked due to horrifically ill-advised energy deregulation.

Damn those "socialists" and their free market!

Cringely has an interesting article on how Linksys has embraced Linux in products like the Linksys WRT54G and how the teaming of this technology may well be the next disruptive technology.

Since we seem to be in the business of linking to information about these bridges, here is what PBS has to say about the Akashi Kaikyo: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/buildingbig/wonder/structu re/akashi_kaikyo.html

I find it highly ironic that PBS, which is related to NPR by the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, is presenting a documentary about how music is dying. The article mentions radio consolidation and they're part of the problem. NPR lobbied against low-power FM stations. Just something to remember when they start the next pledge drive...

Sorry to reply to my own post, but the discussion on Fontline's site sees a lot of people as unimpressed with this episode as I was.

I found it interesting that they did NOT mention the Internet or P2P file sharing as a cause for poor music sales.

Actually, Jeff Leeds--the guy from the LA Times--said, "This great boom almost turned inside out, because the very thing that led to it -- which was the idea that you could take music and turn it into a digital file and put it on a plastic disc -- that became really the unraveling of the business. Because those exact same digital files became something that you could take off of that disc, send to a friend or a million friends through the Internet. And that's why the business has the problem that it does right now."

He was immediately followed, however, by the manager for OutKast, Michael "Blue" Williams, who said, "In my opinion it's not downloading that's killing us, it's [that] we stopped putting out quality music. We stopped giving the public something to believe in. We started just giving them, 'Here take this, take this, take this.' And the public caught up to us and was like, 'Hey, we don't want to take it no more, and we get it someplace else.'"

I found it interesting that the show also attempted to contrast the creation of two new music acts: the young singer/songwriter; and the old-school "super group" formed by putting together the refugees from two formerly-great bands. But at the end of the show, while the "super group" was clearly a corporate creation, I didn't think the young singer/songwriter's songs were all that great, either. Sarah Hudson's songs clearly had been produced into the Avril Lavigne/Michelle Branch sort of sound. By contrast, Velvet Revolver's songs at least didn't sound like everything else on Clear Channel.

I found it interesting that they did NOT mention the Internet or P2P file sharing as a cause for poor music sales.

Actually, Jeff Leeds--the guy from the LA Times--said, "This great boom almost turned inside out, because the very thing that led to it -- which was the idea that you could take music and turn it into a digital file and put it on a plastic disc -- that became really the unraveling of the business. Because those exact same digital files became something that you could take off of that disc, send to a friend or a million friends through the Internet. And that's why the business has the problem that it does right now."

He was immediately followed, however, by the manager for OutKast, Michael "Blue" Williams, who said, "In my opinion it's not downloading that's killing us, it's [that] we stopped putting out quality music. We stopped giving the public something to believe in. We started just giving them, 'Here take this, take this, take this.' And the public caught up to us and was like, 'Hey, we don't want to take it no more, and we get it someplace else.'"

I found it interesting that the show also attempted to contrast the creation of two new music acts: the young singer/songwriter; and the old-school "super group" formed by putting together the refugees from two formerly-great bands. But at the end of the show, while the "super group" was clearly a corporate creation, I didn't think the young singer/songwriter's songs were all that great, either. Sarah Hudson's songs clearly had been produced into the Avril Lavigne/Michelle Branch sort of sound. By contrast, Velvet Revolver's songs at least didn't sound like everything else on Clear Channel.

To PBS' credit that they are posting what the press is saying about the show, even though most of it is quite negative.

the show agrees with the prevailing slashdot opinion that record companies suck, but as someone who watched the episode, let me point out that it does not address (well) many current and relevant issues, such as downloading music (original Napster or iTunes), underground recording (DJ Dangermouse), fair use or other slashdot favorites.

It seemed rather a limited episode to me. Just look at the press reaction page for the episode (and no, not all of the comments are from reactionary neoconservative RIAA lobbyist stooges).

Shame on Frontline for making a relatively poor episode; I have to agree with Roger Catlin of The Hartford Courant when he says "When it wanders away from subjects of grave importance, the usually excellent 'Frontline' can stumble badly."

However, when they are on, they are on, IMHO.

And Kudos to Frontline for posting such negative criticism on their own website; such honesty is rare.

the show agrees with the prevailing slashdot opinion that record companies suck, but as someone who watched the episode, let me point out that it does not address (well) many current and relevant issues, such as downloading music (original Napster or iTunes), underground recording (DJ Dangermouse), fair use or other slashdot favorites.

It seemed rather a limited episode to me. Just look at the press reaction page for the episode (and no, not all of the comments are from reactionary neoconservative RIAA lobbyist stooges).

Shame on Frontline for making a relatively poor episode; I have to agree with Roger Catlin of The Hartford Courant when he says "When it wanders away from subjects of grave importance, the usually excellent 'Frontline' can stumble badly."

However, when they are on, they are on, IMHO.

And Kudos to Frontline for posting such negative criticism on their own website; such honesty is rare.

the show agrees with the prevailing slashdot opinion that record companies suck, but as someone who watched the episode, let me point out that it does not address (well) many current and relevant issues, such as downloading music (original Napster or iTunes), underground recording (DJ Dangermouse), fair use or other slashdot favorites.

It seemed rather a limited episode to me. Just look at the press reaction page for the episode (and no, not all of the comments are from reactionary neoconservative RIAA lobbyist stooges).

Shame on Frontline for making a relatively poor episode; I have to agree with Roger Catlin of The Hartford Courant when he says "When it wanders away from subjects of grave importance, the usually excellent 'Frontline' can stumble badly."

However, when they are on, they are on, IMHO.

And Kudos to Frontline for posting such negative criticism on their own website; such honesty is rare.

the show agrees with the prevailing slashdot opinion that record companies suck, but as someone who watched the episode, let me point out that it does not address (well) many current and relevant issues, such as downloading music (original Napster or iTunes), underground recording (DJ Dangermouse), fair use or other slashdot favorites.

It seemed rather a limited episode to me. Just look at the press reaction page for the episode (and no, not all of the comments are from reactionary neoconservative RIAA lobbyist stooges).

Shame on Frontline for making a relatively poor episode; I have to agree with Roger Catlin of The Hartford Courant when he says "When it wanders away from subjects of grave importance, the usually excellent 'Frontline' can stumble badly."

However, when they are on, they are on, IMHO.

And Kudos to Frontline for posting such negative criticism on their own website; such honesty is rare.

The enviornment will change anyway. History, Arechology and other sciences have shown us that. Even before mans time of rule here the climate was in constant flux. We've had ice ages, tropical times and the inbetween.

What makes the scientist worry are graphs like these. The PBS pages contain much info about the global warming debate.

The enviornment will change anyway. History, Arechology and other sciences have shown us that. Even before mans time of rule here the climate was in constant flux. We've had ice ages, tropical times and the inbetween.

What makes the scientist worry are graphs like these. The PBS pages contain much info about the global warming debate.

"In the recording studios of Los Angeles and the boardrooms of New York, they say the record business has been hit by a perfect storm: a convergence of industry-wide consolidation, Internet theft, and artistic drought. The effect has been the loss of billions of dollars, thousands of jobs, and that indefinable quality that once characterized American pop music.

"It's a classic example of art and commerce colliding and nobody wins," says Nic Harcourt, music director at Los Angeles's KCRW-FM. "It's just a train wreck."

In "The Way the Music Died," airing Thursday, May 27, at 9 P.M. on PBS (check local listings), FRONTLINE® follows the trajectory of the recording industry from its post-Woodstock heyday in the 1970s and 1980s to what one observer describes as a "hysteria" of mass layoffs and bankruptcy in 2004."

Where do you draw the prevention line at? How can you judge?

These are details that vary from situation to situation. The point is that you can judge, that killing is not absolutely moral, and that sometimes war is the best of a set of bad options.

As for wars, they are started for selfesh reasons.

I'd say wanting to preserve my life and liberty is a pretty selfish thing, yes. I'd also say that it's entirely moral, given the nature of the things I'm trying to preserve.

The one that starts it wants something the other has or is envious of what the other has and would rather destroy it than let the other have what he worked for in peace.

Or, in this case, the one who starts it simply wants to destroy us and everything we stand for.

Wars are also started out of hatred, sometimes.

Most of the time when life is taken it is NOT necessary.

So? This doesn't have anything to do with the fact that sometimes it is necessary.

Murder is wrong in all it's forms.

That's right. But "murder" is not a synonym for "killing." Crack a dictionary on that one and see for yourself.

So now we have potential of plentiful cheap hydrogen, and a great mobile way to store it for autos. . . Why is there this big holdup!

So now we have potential of plentiful cheap hydrogen, and a great mobile way to store it for autos. . . Why is there this big holdup!

Umm, Pringles cans are coated internally with an aluminium paint so they ARE reflective. Btw the origional source for most people hearing about Pringles antenna's was this PBS article.

If you honestly think that a patrol in a foreign city being ambushed from a building pauses to determine whether that building is a hospital, building of religious significance or home of orphans, in order to weigh the political consequences of various courses of actions, before opening fire, then you are severely straining your own grasp of reality.

I certainly do. If you have contradictory information, please share it. What unit did you serve in?

I am suggesting that those decision makers continue to severely discount how overwhelmingly important national and international public opinion is in rendering a positive outcome to a military action.

You have that backwards. Success in fighting this war is necessary for the continued existence of public opinion.

Am I the only one who remembers that we're in a war here? That we're in a clash of civilizations? That the terrorists will not stop until the Ummah (the community of all Muslims) is united under a world government ruled by Shari'a?

Don't believe me? Go read Osama bin Laden's declaration of war.

On the topic of the recording industry, PBS is airing a Frontline episode: "The Way the Music Died," on 2004-05-27, Thursday at 21:00. It may be of interest to some of you.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/musi c/

To quote Linus Torvalds:

People have been pretty good (understatement of the year) at debunking those claims, but the fact is that part of that debunking involved searching kernel mailing list archives from 1992 etc. Not much fun.

Unlike early post BSDi development of the "free" BSD's, almost all of the Linux kernel development took place in the open and over the internet.

In comparison Microsoft has "lost" the source to MSDOS and "deleted" CEOs email from it's servers. There is NO real public provenance to the source code to most of Microsoft's products. If this is, like the threat from patents is an issue then Linux is in a better postion than its competitors in the market.

China is almost 1.3B people and, in order to approach "developed" status, will need to increase its per-capita energy consumption by 3x to 5x.

China is looking to other sources in addition to fossil fuels , recently they started generating power
form the LARGEST dam in the world . The Three Gorges Dam is a new wonder of the modern world,
but the sheer weight of it and all the water it holds back may cause an Earthquake causing it to destroy itself .

Some stats on it :

18.2 Million Kilowatts , ie. 18.2 Billion watts of power .

The cost of the damn was enormous, but the massive flood of 1998 killed many and cost almost as much .

www.pbs.org

Thanks,
Ex-MislTech

The problem is that VCs have been sitting on their hands, afraid to actually invest and in some cases even giving investors back their money because they're so gunshy. Cringly wrote two pretty interesting columns on this Making Waves: How to Turn Around the U.S. Tech Economy in One Week With No New Laws, Regulations, or Tax Breaks Required and Without Moving to India and The Curse of the Hundred Bagger: Why Venture Capitalists Are Paralyzed and Our Economy is Stagnant

The problem is that VCs have been sitting on their hands, afraid to actually invest and in some cases even giving investors back their money because they're so gunshy. Cringly wrote two pretty interesting columns on this Making Waves: How to Turn Around the U.S. Tech Economy in One Week With No New Laws, Regulations, or Tax Breaks Required and Without Moving to India and The Curse of the Hundred Bagger: Why Venture Capitalists Are Paralyzed and Our Economy is Stagnant

The funny thing about chernobyl was it was actually caused deliberately. Basically they were testing to see if the water pumps could be powered by the reactor in an emergency. The details
are here. This is a frontline pbs article about it, the reactor is fundementally not as safe as the american designs but the real cause was human error. I actually seem to recall that the experiment was actually cooperative and had british or european monitors monitoring real time but i can't find a source for that anywhere so perhaps it was a purely russian accident.

Saddam Hussein was a secular socialist you dumbfuck. He was hated by all religous fundamentalists. Osama referred to him as "the communist". Before the war did you ever see a picture of him in fundamentalist garb? Did you ever see a picture of him praying? Did you ever see him with a beard that all muslim fundamentalists wear?

Expand you horizons a bit and watch PBS. There's The Newhour, Frontline, Now, etc.

Expand you horizons a bit and watch PBS. There's The Newhour, Frontline, Now, etc.

Expand you horizons a bit and watch PBS. There's The Newhour, Frontline, Now, etc.

Yes. Let's not forget about what radical politics has brought to this world. Things like the 8 hour work day, women's right to vote, the Civil Rights movement, etc. That's just last century.

Take it back two or three and you have radicals taking on the Britsh Empire to found their own country, the birth of the labor movement, abolitionism of slavery, etc.

The funny thing is that so much of radical history has taken place in the United States, yet we try so hard to forget it. Example: Why don't we celebrate Labor Day in May like the rest of the world?

Another question: Why is anyone that challenges the status quo labeled as a "leftist" that is unable to critically think? Why is it that officially sanctioned "propaganda" that supports that status quo is viewed as balanced - and other views are not?

Your comments also just go to show "leftist" is relative. Frankly, I don't find Michael Moore all that radical or even "leftist". He's just getting some discussion going on regarding the current travesty that goes by the name of "War on Terror" and which I would bet - is funneling cash into the pockets of Bush's handlers and their cronies. I think its a pretty important dialogue we should all be having - irrespective of our political views.

You may not like what Michael Moore has to say - I haven't seen it so don't even know what he is saying - but at least see the movie for yourself and talk about it with people rather than trivializing it through a few select quotes from movie critics. Based on your selection, should I also label you as a right-winger that is outrageously manipulative in your quote selection?

Persons outside the U.S. regularly try to influence U.S. politics. Kerry even publicly acknowledged his support outside the U.S. (note to Kerry: you need support inside the U.S. to win the election). And I can understand why, seeing as we're the current lone superpower. Check out this site, for example.

It does remind me, though, of Cringely's article on "how to compete with Microsoft." Other countries should turn their focus to living their own lives and improving their own nations, rather than focusing on America. Hating America, blaming America, trying to influence American elections, killing Americans, financing folks who kill Americans, toadying to America, etc. won't improve their lives. And it puts the U.S. in a catch-22. We get blamed for everything: for fixing it, for not fixing it, for ignoring it, for not ignoring it, etc. The U.S. is a convenient distraction for many countries' and movements' leaders. Think how much they could accomplish if they focused on being for something, rather than against America.

I didn't vote for Bush in the last election. I would rather vote for Lieberman or Hillary than Kerry. Dean was a disaster. Why? Hillary and Joe are for something, and have specific ideas and goals in mind. Dean was only against Bush. Kerry is a pathetic waffler, and is primarily anti-Bush, rather than pro-anything.

So, maybe this is "one of the most important socio-political events this yeat" -- but the Euros politicizing a film festival to influence U.S. elections is... pathetic.

Come on! No one needs America to fail in order for them to succeed. That's such horrible, negative, zero-sum, defeatist thinking!

Succeed! Form a new, powerful EU nation! We Americans will be cheering you!

This week on Frontline, arguably the best show on television, is titled, "The way the music died." It looks fascinating and, perhaps, even balanced. I do hope the bottom line is, however, that the music industry is a dated industry that refuses (due to some dumb executives) to adapt.

-Sean

Robert X. Cringely made his weekly column about this. Read his insightful comment titled "Divide and Conquer - Why Apple Has an iPod Division". (As usual, he starts a bit boring but gets more interesting on way).

Robert X. Cringely made his weekly column about this. Read his insightful comment titled "Divide and Conquer - Why Apple Has an iPod Division". (As usual, he starts a bit boring but gets more interesting on way).

Actually he was born in Scotland and later lived in Canada for a while.

• Let's put EVERYONE in SUVs and make them safer.

The Elegant Universe

It may be possible to have a universe that is expanding and contracting at different times based on variables we have no ability to measure, hence never be able to know which way we are going to go, only where we seem to have gone.

For some great educational sources for the non-astro-physicist, see The Elegant Universe excellent program (my six and ten year olds understood most of it). A few other articales are at Sky and Telescope and Scientific American

InnerWeb

A recent edition of PBS' Frontline series focused on this "Jesus Factor."

The show is scheduled for rebroadcast on May 20.

Here's the website for the show:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/jesu s/

One can enumerate the reasons for Iraq's invasion as follows:

• Establishing a precedence for preepmtive war. Now America has bybassed the UN, and global opposition to this unilateral action. If the will to build an empire arises, then it will be done without any regard to what the rest of the world think or say. You can read the following articles too:

  • The True Rationale? It's a Decade Old by James Mann, March 7, 2004

  • PBS had a good program before Iraq was invaded called the War Behind Closed Doors. You can watch the entire program in 30-60 minutes intervals:

  • Specially interesting is this page in the Project for the New American Century Statement of Principles where you can see who signed this document. Interesting to note that all of them are either now in the Pentagon (Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Feith, ...etc.), or are aids to Cheney (Libby, Abrams, ...etc.)

  • An overview of who is who in the neocons circle of power.

• Securing cheap oil. That is obvious. Bush's family history in oil makes that an easy one to figure.

• Complete Dad's job. The personal desire of G.W. Bush to continue where his father has left, to finish the job, and do better.

• The Israel Factor. Read the Israel connection, and how Zionism influences US foreign policy. If you take a look at the players in the PNAC above, and you will find them all staunch Zionists, whether Jews or Christians.

• Construction Contracts. The Infrastructure contracts for US corporations to rebuild Iraq is a lucrative business. Of course the Halliburton link has been reported several times (Cheney used to be its manager or director). The defence spending, plus the contracts should fuel the US economy for a while, or that is what they thought would happen.

The planning to invade Iraq was done before September 11, 2001 attacks, as ex-secretary Paul O'Neill has revealed

As many would notice, Bush is not running the show. Bush is the ideal front for such an operation. He thinks he is doing the right thing, and that God has to do something with it. You can see this PBS program The Jesus Factor.

There are two factions grappling for Bush's attention. The moderate pragmatics (Powell, Armitage), and the extremist ideologue (Cheney, his subordinates, Rumsfeld, his subordinates). Powell's position is almost identical to Shimon Peres when he was the Foreign Minister in the Sharon government, a rational pragmatic dove amid the ideologue extremist hawks.

What is funny and sad at the same time, is that the US Foreign policy is now crafted by the Pentagon and the Vice President in accordance with neocon think tanks like the PNAC. No role whatsover is given to the Department of State (where it should really belong), and Powell is merely a messenger (go tell the UN we are doing so and so, try to sell it diplomatically, ...etc.). No wonder Powell has said that he will not seek a second term even if Bush gets reelected (and repeated it a few weeks ago). Not nice thing being in his shoes I guess.

I would not go as far as to say that they intentionally planned and executed the September 11 thing. But the neocons sure did exp

One can enumerate the reasons for Iraq's invasion as follows:

• Establishing a precedence for preepmtive war. Now America has bybassed the UN, and global opposition to this unilateral action. If the will to build an empire arises, then it will be done without any regard to what the rest of the world think or say. You can read the following articles too:

  • The True Rationale? It's a Decade Old by James Mann, March 7, 2004

  • PBS had a good program before Iraq was invaded called the War Behind Closed Doors. You can watch the entire program in 30-60 minutes intervals:

  • Specially interesting is this page in the Project for the New American Century Statement of Principles where you can see who signed this document. Interesting to note that all of them are either now in the Pentagon (Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Feith, ...etc.), or are aids to Cheney (Libby, Abrams, ...etc.)

  • An overview of who is who in the neocons circle of power.

• Securing cheap oil. That is obvious. Bush's family history in oil makes that an easy one to figure.

• Complete Dad's job. The personal desire of G.W. Bush to continue where his father has left, to finish the job, and do better.

• The Israel Factor. Read the Israel connection, and how Zionism influences US foreign policy. If you take a look at the players in the PNAC above, and you will find them all staunch Zionists, whether Jews or Christians.

• Construction Contracts. The Infrastructure contracts for US corporations to rebuild Iraq is a lucrative business. Of course the Halliburton link has been reported several times (Cheney used to be its manager or director). The defence spending, plus the contracts should fuel the US economy for a while, or that is what they thought would happen.

The planning to invade Iraq was done before September 11, 2001 attacks, as ex-secretary Paul O'Neill has revealed

As many would notice, Bush is not running the show. Bush is the ideal front for such an operation. He thinks he is doing the right thing, and that God has to do something with it. You can see this PBS program The Jesus Factor.

There are two factions grappling for Bush's attention. The moderate pragmatics (Powell, Armitage), and the extremist ideologue (Cheney, his subordinates, Rumsfeld, his subordinates). Powell's position is almost identical to Shimon Peres when he was the Foreign Minister in the Sharon government, a rational pragmatic dove amid the ideologue extremist hawks.

What is funny and sad at the same time, is that the US Foreign policy is now crafted by the Pentagon and the Vice President in accordance with neocon think tanks like the PNAC. No role whatsover is given to the Department of State (where it should really belong), and Powell is merely a messenger (go tell the UN we are doing so and so, try to sell it diplomatically, ...etc.). No wonder Powell has said that he will not seek a second term even if Bush gets reelected (and repeated it a few weeks ago). Not nice thing being in his shoes I guess.

I would not go as far as to say that they intentionally planned and executed the September 11 thing. But the neocons sure did exp