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http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~epsas/dynamics/vortex/structure.pdf
http://arxiv.org/pdf/physics/0404004
http://www.peter-thomson.co.uk/tornado/A_self_organised_structure_for_the_tornado.html
http://ams.confex.com/ams/pdfpapers/21580.pdf
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic-art/594363/19397/Tornadic-thunderstorm-The-rotating-updraft-that-produces-the-tornado-extends
http://www.spc.noaa.gov/publications/edwards/hcr3may.htmThanks! I never thought of googling it!
Now why didn't Galileo just read the documentation Aristotle had written on gravitation? He could have avoided some nasty arguments with the pope! Or why didn't Einstein read what Lorenz had written on relativity? Or why did Schockley, Bardeen, and Brattain invent the transistor? Vacuum tubes were extremely well documented in 1947. I could go on all night.
Sigh. I guess 640 kbytes will always be enough for somebody...
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Re:Big fucking deal.
Is google down in your area:
http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~epsas/dynamics/vortex/structure.pdf
http://arxiv.org/pdf/physics/0404004
http://www.peter-thomson.co.uk/tornado/A_self_organised_structure_for_the_tornado.html
http://ams.confex.com/ams/pdfpapers/21580.pdf
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic-art/594363/19397/Tornadic-thunderstorm-The-rotating-updraft-that-produces-the-tornado-extends
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Re:Offtopic
You don't need to fall back on the electric universe theory to explain lightning
No, then what are Sprites?The Lorentz force has been long and well established, and lightning is caused by the transport of charged particles by convection. It occurs in a net neutral, electrically closed system, the exact opposite of what EU claims.
Then why do we see it occasionally going into space? Why would lightning be traveling outside of your electrically closed system?But since you bring up EU once again (and in a much less relevant discussion than previously), the Grand Canyon does not have a delta because it doesn't let out into a static body of water. It ends in...surprise...more river. The Colorado river does terminate in a delta.
You ignore the fact that the Colorado river goes straight through the Kaibab Upwarp. Rivers tend to go around large obstacles rather than cutting through them.Trying to use EU to explain away erosion and meteor impacts is just plain silly. There is a complete lack of evidence for it, where as the cutting through stratification and the crater formation modelling and hypervelocity impact testing (which perfectly explains your center "spires") are almost immutable support for more ordinary phenoma like water erosion and big rocks hitting things moving really fast.
Are you aware that some of these central spires have been observed to retain their stratigraphy?And tornadoes are a pressure phenomenon. The fact that there is lightning associated with them doesn't change that.
That's interesting. Peter Thompson's experiment where he created a tornado within a petri dish used no pressure whatsoever ...
http://www.peter-thomson.co.uk/tornado/fusion/Char ge_sheath_vortex_basics_for_tornado.htmlAt some point you're going to have to stop posting crap until you've come up with a consistent theory starting from the bottom up and have some math and observations (like a net current toward the sun of a magnitude capable of supporting the sun's output). If EU is right, or even remotely close to right, it should be possible to come up with this.
There are plenty of reasons for why EU Theorists could be correct. Focusing on just one mathematical item over-simplifies the issue. Numerous observations suggest that electrical plasmas are common in space. You will never realize this so long as you apply pseudo-skepticism to ATM theories, and refuse to actually read what is being said. -
What makes the dust rise?
NASA would be wise to also carefully contemplate what is inducing the dust to rise to form dust storms in the first place. They already have access to THEMIS images from the Mars Odyssey Mission that suggest that there is filamentation of Martian dust storms at both the leading and trailing edges. For a sample image (there are others too), go to:
http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20060512a
Furthermore, we also know that Martian dust devils can contain lightning bolts at their cores:
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2005/14jul_dust devils.htm
In addition to that, we also know that firsthand accounts from people who have seen the inside of a tornado and lived to tell about it indicate that tornadoes here on Earth tend to shimmer like a fluorescent light from the inside. This is typically obstructed from the outside by dust. There's a brief mention here. I'm sure there are other sources for this information:
http://library.thinkquest.org/C003603/english/torn adoes/insidetheeye.shtml
This could indicate that tornadoes and Martian dust devils are actually both electrical plasmas, and that the electrical activity is inducing the vortex -- not the other way around.
It is possible that vortexes are the natural result of the right-hand rule within electrodynamics. Peter Thomson's Charge Sheath Vortex site is an excellent tutorial on how this may be so:
http://www.peter-thomson.co.uk/tornado/fusion/Char ge_sheath_vortex_basics_for_tornado.html
He demonstrates his point at the end by creating a miniature vortex using electricity in a petri dish.
My point here is that NASA should seriously consider that the Martian dust is molecularly bipolar and is responding to solar and other electrical plasmas that are affecting the Martian planet. The evidence from both Mars and Earth suggests that it is a possibility.
We already know for a fact that upper atmosphere lightning exists. The weather scientists told us that this was not possible, and they were proven to be wrong. It's now easy to find pictures of upper-atmosphere sprites on the web. Try these:
http://usjma.jp/~sprite/sprite2005.11pic.html
http://www.usjma.jp/~kaminari/Sprite%202006/S%2020 06%20%203/sprite2006.3.13.html
http://www.usjma.jp/~kaminari/Gallery/Gallery%20SP RITE/galleryhome.html
http://www.usjma.jp/~kaminari/Gallery/Gallery%20SP RITE/Carrot/gscar01.html
So, why isn't it possible that they could also be wrong about current theories about tornadoes? And why in the world are those dust storms filamentary? When we see enigmatic features on Mars, we should create future missions to follow that data. As of recently, NASA has been exclusively following their script instead of the anomalies. We need to be doing both. -
Peter Thomson . . .
. . . is way ahead of them.
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Re:It's Another Hourglass Morphology
I've run into a very good website that you may be interested in that discusses the issue of electricity in space by focusing explicitly on the concept of the charge sheath vortex:
http://www.peter-thomson.co.uk/tornado/Dark_Matter _and_the_Expanding_Universe.html
There are other links on that same site that you may be interested in as well. All of this material appears to be in complete agreement with Electric Universe concepts. -
The black government and real aliens
Wow... a new low. The aliens must be laughing themselves sick at our hubris. The possibility that our weapons might prove a threat to a culture capable of mere interstellar travel (let alone "intergalactic") is about the same as an ant colony against the U.S. Army.
Well, maybe, except you should consider that the U.S. black government has significantly more science and technology than exists in the public eye. This is not tin-foil-hat material, it is real and significant. Complete unified field theories, gravo-magnetic energy, weaponry and propulsion and on and on... Don't believe me? You have that option, of course.
As for aliens? Do some research on the net. It will become very clear that what we are likely dealing with is a previously emmigrated human species, having left about 10,000 years ago after creating a nuclear winter right here. They come back, and for them it's like planet of the apes - the primitive tribes (sub-humans) of their time have risen up, built an oil-based economy and are in the process of riding the same rail-road of destruction that they did. Sound spectacularly crazy? Heh... Reality has a funny way of doing that sometimes...
Here is a decent place to start to get a taste. From this neutral site, you can google around and go deep into tin-foil-hat territory, or alternatively, you can investigate the real evidence in a scientific manner. There is a lot of both on the net.
I am actually pretty surprised that here on Slashdot, this article recieves such a mocking response. Skeptisism is good, but laughing is simply playing into the black propaganda to keep you from looking there. Looking there is good and healthy, it just may change the way you see things. -
How about a self-confining method like this one?This is a method that you'll get quite a charge out of, and will spin you out.
As an added bonus, it seems likely that it can double as a generator, that is, electricity can be pulled out directly with no extra moving parts.