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Canadian Ex-Minister Calls For Serious ET Study
Nom du Keyboard writes "A former Canadian Minister of Defense and Deputy Prime Minister wants Canada to hold public hearings on Exopolitics - relations with Extraterrestrials - to avoid the possibility of intergalactic war. Unfortunately he also proposes starting a 'Decade of Contact', which seems to mean spending a whole lot of public money on UFO education. Is he on the right track here, that we can't afford to ignore the rest of the Universe any longer?" From the article: "The United States military are preparing weapons which could be used against the aliens, and they could get us into an intergalactic war without us ever having any warning ... The Bush administration has finally agreed to let the military build a forward base on the moon, which will put them in a better position to keep track of the goings and comings of the visitors from space, and to shoot at them, if they so decide."
Wow... a new low. The aliens must be laughing themselves sick at our hubris. The possibility that our weapons might prove a threat to a culture capable of mere interstellar travel (let alone "intergalactic") is about the same as an ant colony against the U.S. Army.
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Looks like Canada's finally doing something about illegal aliens.
I can't believe it if it is.
He was minister 40 years ago. He could very well be a member of the Hells'eimers now...
All I can say is WOW.
WOW.
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Yes, this is a much better way of spending money, then seriously studying the DMCA before you copy it from the US.
For the perfect anti-Unix, write an OS that thinks it knows what you're doing better than you do and let it be wrong.
Money? Afford? Shit, just hook me up with an ounce of hydroponic pot. Everytime I blaze I get smoked out by those bastards. They're nothing but intergalactic hash fiends, I have observed.
He's totally lost it. -- IV
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Any ET that Bush can shoot down isn't worth knowing anyway.
The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky
How sad that a simple case of senile dementia gets publicized like this. The media should leave him alone.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
The US government cant fight off a bunch of dude with AKs and home made bombs, and this guy from Canada thinks we are building a moon base?
Yes, the US government has been in a secret war with the G'ould for around 8 years now, but the SG-1 team is always around to keep the government honest. Well, at least until General O'Neill and Samantha Carter moved on to other jobs...
--Mythos
Note that the source is PRWeb. This isn't news, it's a press release for those organizations listed at the bottom.
Be a real patriot: Question authority. Think for yourself. Formulate your own conclusions.
Im assuming this is a joke...
What is PRWeb, anyhow? A web-based equivalent of a tabloid? Never heard of it before.
Proving yet again that former Canadian ministers are no less looney than the former secretaries/administration officials of past American presidencies.
Since my tax dollars are going to be wasted no matter what, I'd prefer they waste them on something more important -- such as money for Quebec ad agencies or corrupt government officials -- then holding parliamentary hearings on ET diplomacy.
You want to know who isn't running Firefox 2.x? They spell it "definately" and "rediculous".
I was expecting this to be a more recent minister... but only slightly relieved that he was a minister 40 years ago.
I soon expect a Dept of EXO Relations to be announced to secure the alien vote in the upcoming election.
Of course the Canadians are right - they knew
all the time. The spitting and cursing of
American jr. high hockey teams, the search for
secret CIA landing sites in Alberta, the avian
flu in Maitoba - all plots by the Americans
and George Bush. God bless Dudley Doright!
This, and other shocking stories, in this week's edition of Duh Magazine.
"UFOs, are as real as the airplanes that fly over your head."
Mr. Hellyer went on to say, "I'm so concerned about what the
consequences might be of starting an intergalactic war, that I just
think I had to say something."
Let me get this straight:
Among the things this guy is persuaded of then is that aliens walk
among us already, that the US government knows about it and has
apparently enough alien technology in its possession to be able to
wage war between galaxies (a pretty amazing feat for one little
planet, wouldn't you say? Even with a base on our moon!), while still
being able to keep the general population persuaded that we have not
made contact.
Wasn't Will Smith in that movie? And here I was under the impression that
the US was no longer even capable of manned spaceflight (other than
hitch-hiking with the Russians).
All chuckling aside, even though according to his Wikipedia
biography the man has a long history of UFO advocacy, he's also 82
years old and I am inclined to think that despite a distinguished
career the question of senility has to be raised. Still, anyone
should count themselves lucky to be giving public speaches at 82 in
the first place.
That "forward base" on the moon bit is priceless, really... everything with the rest of the universe would be great if not for Bush! Why, if Kerry had won, there wouldn't be any risk of intergalactic war at all! But now, well... time to start stockpiling cans of chili and whatnot, I suppose. What's interesting isn't that a former Canadian defense minister said (or things) this, it's that there aren't 100 Canadian slashdot users screaming how not them this is. Well, it's early yet.
Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
Is it April 1st already?
By his own admission, this guy was "not in the loop". Take with a pound of salt (since it's obvious he took many grains of Crack).
Weapons in the hands of people who can use them without asking the people and who can not be held accountable for their actions is always a very bad idea. Does Weapons in Space have anything to do with any kind of alien threat? Could it be that the "war on aliens" is just a step further in the "war on freedom" eh, I mean "war on terrorism"? It may be a good idea to read up on this and related issues.. Oh, btw. Look forward to the fake alien invasion that is planned in a few years... (remember this out when it is presented to you as the real thing on your mainstream TV channels in a few years)
9/11: Never forget it was a false-flag operation
I like to think our superior recreational drugs (with the sadly missed exception of peyote) and excellent beer are the drawing cards for aliens throughout the 'verse.
It's good to know one of our retired politicians is projecting our world renowed good Canadian manners outward toward our interglactic neighbours.
"Academicians are more likely to share each other's toothbrush than each other's nomenclature."
Cohen
But it sadly won't work.
I'd much rather politicans spend time arguing over something like this that does not matter, then have them spend time figuring out new ways to tax us, to limit our freedoms, to wage war (OK, he's Canadian, maybe this one doesn't apply), and to spend our tax money.
Oh, that Mr. Hellyer is a sly fellow indeed.
Hopefully, we can get it going down here in the States.
Did you not watch that movie?? The aliens would die from all the germs and bacteria that humans are immune to! Simply coughing and sneezing at them will be our ultimate weapon. There is absolutely nothing to worry about!
From: http://www.nowtoronto.com/issues/2005-10-06/news_
An outspoken man even while in office, Hellyer writes and lectures about his economic ideas. His knowledge of UFOs comes mostly second-hand, from books like The Day After Roswell - although, impressively, he had the cachet to look up the military men listed in the book to get the straight goods. He admits such matters didn't cross his mind when he was in office. "I was too busy trying to streamline the armed forces, improve morale and save taxpayers' money."
Aside from dedicating a UFO landing pad in St. Paul, Alberta, during the 67 Centennial, Hellyer's involvement was nil. He did, however, seem genuinely impressed by the testimony of pilots and colonels, and the implications of UFO secrecy. "The time has come to lift the veil of secrecy and let the truth emerge, so that there can be a real and informed debate about the most important problem facing our planet today." This got him a standing ovation.
The day ends with a press conference right after, in room 23. Hellyer doesn't have much more to say about ETs, but his views on the inside workings of government tell a lot about why a veteran politican would buy the notion of an ET cover-up. He recalls Harper's editor Lewis Lapham's theory of two governments, the permanent and the provisional, with the work of those elected always being undone by permanent appointees.
"In effect, permanent government runs things," he says. "We say we live in a democracy, but why do we call it democracy when, in effect, the people who are running it are not elected?"
But when the Mother Ship is orbiting your puny planet, you will see the error in your decadent ways.
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Raise your children as if you were teaching them to raise your grandchildren, because you are.
I for one welcome our canadian extraterrestrial masters.
Feels like we just entered the twilight zone...
I, for one, welcome our alien overlords.
"All you have to do is be fragile and grateful. So stay the underdog." Chuck Palahniuk, Choke
Yeesh, it seems that all some people want to do is complain about stuff.
Grow up man. Write an email to the editors or something. Don't pollute Slashdot comment space with this garbage.
rydawg --
Not to be too off-topic, but shouldn't that submitter's nickname be "Nom de clavier"? I hate Franglish with a passion.
Excuse me, but it's about how far to the Moon?
And it's about how much farther to anything else at all interesting, let alone the rest of the Universe?
Hard to call that one much of a Forward Base.
"It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
No, seriously, how come this guy made it to be a in politics?
When^H^H^H^Hif the $sys$alleged interstellar beings come here, they'll frankly reprimand us for spending too much money on contacting them and too little on solving local problems like war, world hunger, diseases, etc etc.
Seriously, what's the point of contacting alien intelligence, if our very human nature is greedy, stupid, and self-destructive? I'm sure "they" are much better without knowing us.
Now, speaking seriously, i think this guy read too much scientology/heaven's gate/raelian propaganda.
Here in Europe we send our wacko ex-politicians to serve on the EU commision. Neil Kinnock... Chris Patten.. Edith Cressant..Martin Bangemann
Maybe you Canadians should come back to the bosom of the mother country and then you'd be able to do the same.
Actually thinking about wierdo things that the EU spends vast amounts of money on, trying to make contact with aliens doesn't sound quite as crazy as it first appears.
No but, yeah but, no but...
Are these people on drugs?
...
Seriously, the only reason to set up a base in the moon is to achieve faster planetary control and not the other way around. I mean, are aliens so retarded to not get any decent weapon to destroy a base in the moon in a single strike? If we can land a probe in an asteroid i guess they can shoot several "missiles" from Jupiter to hit the Moon.
So seriously, only if physics come up with some sort of shield this can be effective. If Bush is going on with this, we are going to see a second Cold War and this time with China.
So i gonna sugest them to take some Mushrooms and some acids to travel into Neptune and make peace with the aliens for all mankind safety
Peace
"(Discussing our first contact with aliens) is a bit like iguanas on the
Galapagos Islands sitting around trying to figure out how to treat the
first human visitors. Should we offer them dead flies, or live flies?
Shall we line up the flies in a row? How shall we defend ourselves?
All of that is irrelevant."
-- Seth Shostak, astronomer with the SETI project
Maybe we should work out this FTL problem before using such terms.
Intergalactic aliens at war with the USA? Ok. I understand that.
But who (or what) are these Canadians?
Just because you believe in something does NOT mean it's true
Many people believe in an all powerful being responsible for the creation of the Universe. Some would consider THAT to be wacky belief as well.
Note: Don't try to extrapolate the above statements that I am either A) An Atheist or B) a believer in visiting extraterrestrials or a skeptic of them
But I AM open minded to other beliefs and don't engage in ad-hominem logical fallacies which what people on both sides who are'nt open minded engage in.
Those crazy Canadian hosers! They should blindly trust our administration. We have good secret inteligence which we can't release for security reasons that the aliens are working on weapons of planetary destruction and it is our duty to destroy them in just in case they maybe might do something against us. We must destroy them! Why do they hate us and distrust us? It must be hatred for our economy. So to protect us the administration is doing all it can to destroy that economy, but in the meantime we must destroy the Interplanetary Axis of Evildoer, before they actually do any evil. Anyone who can't see the logic of that must be locked away in our secret prisons. Sure people will be locked away in secret prisons, all records of the activity will be classified secret, and there will be torture and the occasional (frequent) death. But that's the price we pay to live in a free society.
I'm an American. I love this country and the freedoms that we used to have.
Paul Hellyer was born in 1923 and has a history of jumping parties and even forming breakaway splinter parties when the mood took him.
The "article" -- which as others have pointed out, is really a press release -- seems to deliberately muddle some mainstream speechs about the weaponization of space and the ballistic missile defense shield with some cockamamy stuff about aliens and moonbases.
I bet the UFO nuts are delighted that the mainstream media bit on this one.
No. Well...maybe. Actually, yes. It really just depends.
intergalactic? hmm...and how does he think we are gonna get to any other galaxy to fight this war? (much less any other PLANETS!!)
We seldom regret saying too little but often regret saying too much.
As quoted by Mr. R. U. Kidding, "Let's see those human rights pansies find this one. What do you mean Google has Moon maps already on line?"
"It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
I think most of the people I know (who know of this former MP) feel that this former minister is a little nutty. The only people I know that don't seem to believe that his is off kilter also believe taht the world trade center towers were not attacked by planes, but by elite commando teams from the U.S. government. (Sadly, I am not joking about that... They really believe this...)
I think that we should all sit down and watch Carl Sagan's COSMOS as a viable alternative to this former ministers suggestions.
Try to hack my 31337 firewall!
Quite frankly, this is an instance when the messenger *should* be shot. There are any number bizarre stories, but most choose to filter to increase the signal. So, why the hell was this posted and who the hell is the submitter?
It's a press release for christ's sake (who btw was an extraterrestrial)
This guy has obviously just read every UFO conspiracy theory ever published and believed it all. It takes a lot of balls to get up in front of everyone and claim that we are going to war with aliens, you gotta give him some credit for that.
But, even though he sounds like a nutcase, maybe some of what he speaks of it true. I've often thought that the military does much more space stuff than NASA does, and it's not outside the realm of possibility that the military will be the first to have a secret moon base. I once read that what the govt releases now is tech that is 20 years old. So if you think we'll have a moon base in 20 years, maybe we have one now.
But Intergalactic war?? Jebus.
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To be honest I thin this world could use a good "intergalactic war". At worse we all die. At best the World unites and countries gain a sense of brotherhood. Maybe I'm naive but I'd like to think humanity would put aside its differences if there was ever a threat to itself... other than itself.
Bah who am I kidding.
And a 100 Canadian Slashdot users cried out as one -- and were suddenly silenced.
Sound doesn't travel well on the Moon.
"It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
I saw a link to this somewhere earlier today and when I read it, I doubted it was for real. A Google news search lists a grand total of 3 links (well, probably 4 now) and not one even qualified as a minor (let alone) major news source.
I'll bet the article is a fake designed by neo-cons (like the US, the Canadian conservative right has also been infiltrated by neo-cons) to bias thinking about a once hugely popular Liberal government ("see, them Liberals is crazy people"), especially since a federal election was all but announced yesterday.
Spoken by a man who can't get his own stories posted on /.
"It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
Clearly, it's the Chinese. And the idea of having US weapons in space certainly scares the bejeezus out of them, which is why they're pouring so much effort into their own "peaceful" spaceflight program.
Maybe we should call him Minister Moonbeam!
In case of fire, do not use elevator. Use water!
Shooting to the aliens if necesary ? Hmmmm ... what are they smoking ?
The first "intergalactic" war will actually be a civil war fought on our home planet. Look at the lengths they go to in trying to hide the cubic nature of time, making up elaborate spherical myths, and inventing fictional characters like Einstein. They want to keep you educated stupid so they can manipulate you.
... and then they built the supercollider.
I can only hope that this person won't be seriously seen in any way as representing the country I live in.
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
some people just have no idea of what priorities are..
You just got troll'd!
Off topic, so what?! It was important news, and my download is almost finished!!! :)
Last time I checked, the calendar said it was November 25, not April 1.
wbs.
Huh?
Why does everyone think that IF we find another life form (ET) they will be so far ahead of us technology wise? Couldn't it be the other way around? What if we find life on another planet, and they are fairly far behind us? what if they just discovered electricity, etc.
it just seems every time someone talks about ET they are 1000+ years ahead of us and can kick our asses.
...None because fish don't eat ice cream
We've pretty much figured out projectile weapons to the point that we now have doggone good bullet-proof-vests. That won't help you if you get hit with an APDS DU round, now will it?
So just because they might have "figured out simple fission/fusion weapons" doesn't mean they can deal with a few gazillion joules of energy suddenly appearing 50 meters off the port quarter of their space ship.
I wonder what spiked the sudden interest in extrarrestrial issues and politics? Is there something we don't know, or is it just pandering to those that believe in the possibility?
This lunar base - wouldn't it be 'forward' only for 14 of 28 days regardless where the alien menace was?
...go and read the Cometa Report Part 1 and part 2. (two PDFs) in their entirety.
Not preparing for this inevitable event is like not shoring up the levees or not building an underground bolt-hole when you live in Tornado Alley.
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You know, I saw a taped lecture given by this guy on a tvo program two weeks ago. When he first started speaking I remember thinking to myself "what a nut." As he went on, tho', he started citing his sources and he started to sound really credible. Of course, he then went off into Danekenite (thanks to David Brin for the term) style speculation with the "intergalactic Quarantine" and "Forward Bases."
Over all he came off goofy.
J
OT: if you follow the TVO link you will see link to a lecture "WWII: The Russian Perspective." It's fantastic. Watch it if you like the subject of history.
Tomorrow, in Sonoma, AZ, a group of wizards and shamans will be gathering together to cast a protective spell to help our extraterrestrial allies. Napoleon Dynamite will be there to lead the proceedings, bring your crystals, moonboots, and positive mental attitudes to help in this dark time of need. Remember, only you can prevent intergalactic war.
You may all go to Hell and I will go to Texas - Davy Crockett
If "they" are out there at all, they would have to be looking pretty hard to see us. Our electromagnetic transmissions, which only started 100 years ago and so couldn't possibly have reached any habitable star systems yet, are excedingly weak compared to the glare of our own sun, so are very likely not going to be picked up by anything. We ought to, if we think we're ready (I'm not so sure about that myself), put a probe out as fast as we can, into deep interstellar space, with some sort of nuclear battery, that would occasionally (oh, maybe once or twice a decade) BLAST an obviously intellegent, yet effiecient, signal into space, like, to pull something straight from Contact, prime numbers. Or some sort of representation of Pi. Something. There's no reason to think that there are no aliens, and there's no reason to think they'd be initialy hostal. They'd probably see us as trade partners, assuming their society still uses (or has begun to use) money.
Of course we have better things to spend public money on, so hopefully some rich eccentric guy will do the honors, assuming we as a planet can agree to such a proposition.
--The universe will not be altered by forum threads, even those which are very wry. --Tycho Brahe (Penny Arcade)
We, having to spend large amounts of fuel/electricity on any weapons aimed at destroying any presumed hostile aliens, wouldn't stand a chance. A decent space-faring and war-like race wouldn't even need ammo, they'd just haul a load of giant rocks into declining earth orbits.
Not that they'd need more than two, or anything. One to cause a tsunami/blotting out of the sun for the earth, another one to smash the future moon base to smithereens.
.... just to make absolutely certain I wasn't reading BBSpot's "Slashdot Story Generator" by mistake.
If someone says he and his monkey have nothing to hide, they almost certainly do.
What aliens? Before we get government programs and spend public funding on programs and policies to properly deal with extraterrestrials, shouldn't we first prove they exist? I'm not saying they can't be out there, but all of our best attempts to find them have yielded negative results.
Also, in light of other issues that government has to deal with, this sort of thing is a real joke. I honestly believe that there are more important things to be delt with.
That being said, however, I appreciate their foresight; for all I know these initiatives might help save humanity. I feel the odds of that are infinitesimal, though...
....not whether or not there is intelligent life outside of our popular belief otherwise, but of the apparent ignorance of those who think they need to be prepaired to battle with such life that would obviously have such technology, experience and understanding of the human species as to not let us advance enough to present such a possibility of being a threat.
Like the mentality the US seems to want want to impose on the rest of the world.
I'd imagine such life would be far better skilled at techniques of deception, easy to apply and safe from proof, then we as a species has yet to master even the kindergarden level of. And this is not contrary of those who claim alien life exist, but have no proof of it....
Then there is the big picture.... What its all about. In the simplest of terms "survival" the survival of conscious intelligent life needed to maintain the ever expanding matter in existance (what all exist in existance), in all the forms matter can be made to exist in.
When you are the only thing existing, how do you know you are not dying? By knowing you are growing!
What assurance do you have that such important conscious life will continue to exist, unless you help to cultivate it, farm it, influence it as well as make matter in space for it to exist on, like this galaxy containing this planet..
Only when the level of mans intelligence reaches the level required of entering the civilization of the universe, will it be allowed to.
There is no place for war mongers in the civilization of the universe, any more then there is a place in todays society for roman numeral mathmatics, magic spells, flat planets center of the universe.
exopolitics? what is that supposed to be?
Somebody took war of the worlds too seriously.
The "politics" hat should have been wrapped in tinfoil.
A note for non-Canadian readers:
The current, minority federal government will likely be defeated in a non-confidence vote next week, and we will have a winter election. Traditionally, parties try to score electoral points by pointing out flaws in their opponents' past government (eg.. Liberals remind us of Brian Mulroney), but publicizing Paul Hellyer is an inspired move by the Conservatives.
This will be more fun than Hockey!
The same PRWeb that carried the news of Andy Kaufman's triumphant return from the dead? How exciting!
According to this, it sounds like the Martian ambassador was annoyed that he couldn't get an audience with the president back in May, so I'd say an attack is imminent.
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Oke' it was quite a hype idependence day, but now seriously imagine you're an advanced alian civilization. So you have invented quantum based teleportation, in which you mentaly travel trough dark energy or dark space; to get in a wink (or wonk) everywhere in the universe.
:) )
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Then why would you be intrested in a planet with to many apes on it? Harvesting materials, no think twice, there is enough raw material everywhere in the universe. Would you like to expiriment with our race, naah no if they ever played games like simcity then they now it's quite boring.
So first the big question would be WHY ???
would we be of any interrest to a more advanced race of alian species.
In reality, It's rather that we would like to believe nice stories, tricks of magicans and UFO's, sadly we humans enjoy to be missleaded (for example take politics, or insurance companies). It's even scary to sea how easily people can be hypnotised to make them belief something.. (oops we might turn out to be hardwired fools
When you think more about this, there would be only a few answers why would they come to visit us:
>They see our hopless civilization, finish it a bit sooner, without radiation.
>They just wonder why apes seam to like traffic jams.
>They might think, that they might be able to teach apes something, so we would be some fun to them on their 3d TV. (He let's take a look at this genius, he thinks quarks exist) just for the fun of it
>They might be interrested in our various forms of ART, or rather be puzled why we like it. That would be the most positive encounter i gues; as we might survive it
>They wonder our genetics; how is it possible that we didn't evolve like them?
BUT most likely of all
They are looking for why the answer was 42, and are looking for the real question see :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Answer_to_Life,_
I know you're out there. I can feel you now. I know that you're afraid. You're afraid of us. You're afraid of change.
I dont think bush wants a moon base to attack aliens, I think it's more for the fact that a moon base would be able to strategically bomb any part of the earth with minimal effort at some point of every day.
Yeah, and if the aliens do come, they'll come from the ground after having been in the earth for millions of years and just raise shit up until they get the flu, or they'll realize a little to late that they are allergice to water, cause we all know aliens are incredibly stupid and make no sense.
Check out TFA and read one of the three "non-government organizations":
http://www.disclosureproject.org/
They're conspiracy theorists, and apparently they have followers around the world.
Let's remember that another UFO-believing group, the Church of Scientology, got famous followers like John Travolta, Tom Cruise, etc.
Cults happen.
...have I been embarassed to be Canadian...until now.
"Anyone that has ever gotten an idea based on any of my work and done something better with it-good for you."--J.Carmack
It scares me more than a little that you know people with such a slight grasp of reality that they'd think US Commandos destroyed the twin towers. I suppose all the major news stations collaborated? This defies description.
This is a day of national embarassment on many fronts.
-- Mal: "Well they tell you: never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious."
Earth :We come in peace .. I mean we are friendly
Alien : WHAT , My mother is not
Earth: Um
Alien : That's it , how dare you say my grandma did that to a horse
Earth : Oh god , feck off , this is silly
Alien : Thank you , have a cookie
Earth : oh cheers.
Alien : That's is slime-ball , My wife has always been faithful . Prepare for a face full of Nuclear powered Laser Dematerialisation
The only things certain in war are Propaganda and Death. You can never be sure which is which though
Subsidize powerbooks so Jeff Goldblum can lead us to victory! The aliens will be dashed against the fury of a veritable orchard of powerboooks!
Hellyer warned, "The United States military are preparing weapons which could be used against the aliens, and they could get us into an intergalactic war without us ever having any warning. He stated, "The Bush administration has finally agreed to let the military build a forward base on the moon, which will put them in a better position to keep track of the goings and comings of the visitors from space, and to shoot at them, if they so decide."
Okay, is that thing about the Bush administration true, or is that just his demented idea?
Because if that's true, that's very, very frightening... and I mean for REAL reasons.
Enter Mulder and Scully to the Canadian Field Office...
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not entirely sure about the universe - Einstein
This is, after all, an ex-Trudeauian... And we all know how much Trudeau loved Americans.. look at his friendship with Cuba.. Fidel even bothered to show up for Trudeau's funeral. Well, actually Trudeau did have values (they're just not mine)... But this isn't about Trudeau in the first place... I don't think the UFOs will like this....
But it would be so much funnier if he turned out to be right. :)
Retired from software... maybe. Sort of.
It's better that we fight the aliens over there than here on our soil. Oh wait... never mind. I guess a preemptive attack against a spacefaring race is sort of out of the question. Let's just hope the first human they run into isn't named "Bush".
hate our freedom.
This guy must not have much to do in his retirement years. I mean really. He must be subscribe to some pretty interesting magazines if this is waht he is worried about. I mean really. He was a minister in 1962. The guy must be 90 years old by now.
But really this is the story that slashdot posts. The one that I posted yesterday about the guy who stuck it to his bank. They don't post. At least my story comes from a credible news paper.
sheesh
Execuse me, but to the slashdot editor, this is fake news. This is satire.
This never happened.
This news has been released by PRWEB, a press release agency. Anyone could post a press release using PRWEB.
This is not news, it's a press release made out to look like news.
Please tell me the Onion is the original source of this article.
If Bush's USA came into contact with an extra-terrestrial species: ET's labeled terrorists, Billions of dollars into waging war against terror, rainbows, and other abstract concepts. Earth destroyed just before Bush realizes that the ET's have no oil anyway. If France came into contact with an extra-terrestrial species: France surrenders. Everyone else enjoys peaceful relationship with the ET's, but France surrenders anyway. If the U.N. came into contact with an extra-terrestrial species: Aliens leave after five minutes of listening to the arguing. Arguing continues until sun finally burns out. If Canada came into contact with an extra-terrestrial species: "You guys want a beer, eh?" Shortly after, ET's help set up inter-stellar transmission network so they can watch hockey every saturday night.
Shouldn't we wait until we know that their entire space fleet can't be swallowed by one of our small dogs?
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When I hear proposals like this, what comes to mind is not an effort to further the benefit of mankind, but to provide a means of revenue for a company whose CEO happens to be friends with "people in high places".
wow, now I'm embarassed to say I'm a Canadian... a pending war with aliens? yikes!
I only though GWB was this crazy - it's just that he and his buddies would stand to profit from such a war if it were ever to occur.
Maybe the intention os the statement(s) is not so funny. Look at it this way: if you take out the little-green-men motif out of the story, what he's saying is that the US has become a liability and that if the current track of ignorant leaders (and ignorant folks that elects them) continues, global world peace is in danger.
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I've been a politico in Canada for nearly 20 years professionally. On and off Parliament Hill - mostly on. Paul Hellyer is a certifiable wacko. Full stop. Anyone who knows anything about Canadian politics knows Hellyer's record. He was first elected in 1949 - around the time Strom Thurmond first became a U.S. Senator. Hellyer is about as swift - even though Senator Thurmond is two years gone. Indeed, the colourful Senator could probably best Hellyer in a debate were they both to square off today - Thurmond in a casket and Hellyer in the flesh.
Pay this man no mind whatsoever. He's an idiot who once had a job with a title. Talent or smarts are not prerequisites in politics, after all.
You can't plan for something you know nothing about. Anyone speculating about whether ET will be war-like, peaceful, care about us, or not care about us is engaging in the art of "making shit up". Our basis for understanding intelligence is almost entirely based on ourselves and how we think, act, behave, and look at the world. Much of this is based on our underlying brain structure and not on culture. We all have emotions and much of our being is based on that.
But yet when we even look at a Jellyfish it's extremely different from us (and even so, very similar in terms of underlying biology). Will ET have better technology (tools) than us? Well, based on our own experience with technology you'd think that anyone capable of solving the problem of inter-stellar travel certainly would have a far better understanding of physics than us. But I fear when I even say that I'm also probbably practicing the art of "making shit up".
The point is that planning for any of this is just absurd, and that's ignoring the fact that we have no idea if there even IS intelligent life elsewhere, much less life that's interested in coming here. I don't believe this kind of question is one of science, but of philosophy. That doesn't mean it's not an interesting or important question, but just one we can't find an actual answer to. Devoting money to it makes about as much sense as to devoting money to trying to find god.
I think a more sane approach would be trying to find out if there IS intelligence life elsewhere. That means putting more money into SETI searches for instance. I personally doubt whether UFOs (the alien spacecraft type) exist, but you'll never find them if you don't look. Because of this I think it's important for such a survey to have a dual purpose. Put money into mapping asteroids (and as a side effect maybe you can look for UFOs, or maybe other purely astronomical phenomenon).
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Apart from the fact a civilization of intergalactic travel capabilities would just lough about it, the assumption that every alien race would prove to be hostile to us proves either paranoia or old fashioned militaristic brainwashing.
He also stated flat out that we are already being visited. This isn't prudency about considering how we might react and what we should do if we make contact; this is pure crackpottery.
You know, I feel guilty, but I have to laugh at this: ... The Bush administration has finally agreed to let the military build a forward base on the moon, which will put them in a better position to keep track of the goings and comings of the visitors from space, and to shoot at them, if they so decide.
The United States military are preparing weapons which could be used against the aliens, and they could get us into an intergalactic war without us ever having any warning
I feel bad laughing at someone who's clearly flipped his lid, but still... it's funny.
I think everyone is going on tangents here. We all know that the aliens have already infiltrated our society and posing as Google. With their advanced search technology, they plan to slowly take over the world without any casualties. Think like an alien, my friends.
"Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us."
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The opposition has made a motion of distrust earlier this week, and will vote on monday, forcing elections before the end of the current mandate, and paralyzing all government activity until the election of a new government.
So this will be thwarted very quickly.
Marriage is considered capital punishment for the theft of a goat in some third world countries...
Perhaps we should refine meaningful and tactful relations with different cultures on our own planet before taking on the extraterrestrial ones?
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As for aliens? Do some research on the net. It will become very clear that what we are likely dealing with is a previously emmigrated human species, having left about 10,000 years ago after creating a nuclear winter right here. They come back, and for them it's like planet of the apes - the primitive tribes (sub-humans) of their time have risen up, built an oil-based economy and are in the process of riding the same rail-road of destruction that they did. Sound spectacularly crazy? Heh... Reality has a funny way of doing that sometimes...
Here is a decent place to start to get a taste. From this neutral site, you can google around and go deep into tin-foil-hat territory, or alternatively, you can investigate the real evidence in a scientific manner. There is a lot of both on the net.
I am actually pretty surprised that here on Slashdot, this article recieves such a mocking response. Skeptisism is good, but laughing is simply playing into the black propaganda to keep you from looking there. Looking there is good and healthy, it just may change the way you see things.
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As a Canadian, all I can say is... uhm...sorry about all of this. It WAS the sixties you know.
To think that Paul Hellyer was serious considered as a potential leader of the Liberal Party of Canada at one point.
Yikes!!
.Robert
jokes aside, if you're at all serious about any of the facts that may exist back up the presumptions, check out this;
http://www.disclosureproject.org/
from their site;
"The Disclosure Project is a nonprofit research project working to fully disclose the facts about UFOs, extraterrestrial intelligence, and classified advanced energy and propulsion systems. We have over 400 government, military, and intelligence community witnesses testifying to their direct, personal, first hand experience with UFOs, ETs, ET technology, and the cover-up that keeps this information secret."
skeptics especially take a look. it's not all hullabaloo from backyard bumpkins with nothing better to do than make up stories about "men from the sky", rather it is testimony from people who America trusts with its defense, for example the same people who take care of nuclear weapons.
I went as far as buying the DVD and considered it to contain very honest and real testimony.
I'm torn between "Wow! I guess SETI isn't serious enough" and "I want some of what he's been smoking."
I mean this is very serious business just like the Internet is serious business.
Deep breath. Sigh.
Here's the thing, for those of you fortunate enough to have not yet had the experience.
Your loved one can be totally sane by all measure of the law and medicine, yet their life can be completely taken over by a delusion. My favorite aunt developed late onset schizophrenia which in her case manifested itself as hearing voices from all around her, a cabal of people out to get her. At first the family thought her stories were real - consistent tales about strange neighbours in her apartment complex and their lives - but after a time there was just too much of it and the stories didn't check out. There was no reclusive girl named Cynthia in the next apartment and her upstairs neighbours weren't putting cameras and speakers in the air vents.
Anyway, to make a long story short, my aunt is still in charge of her own affairs, not in a hospital or care setting and by my non-professional lights mad as a hatter. She's moving for the third time in a year because the evil (imaginary) neighbours keep following her from building to building and never turns on lights or makes a sound because the evil neighbours start shrieking at her about it if she does. Her entire existence is one of fear and the only medical solution is some anti-psychotic pills that don't seem to do anything and a monthly geriatric worker visit.
Now if I were to have told this story a different way, focussing on the kookiness rather than the human tragedy, you'd have all laughed. It would have been a comedy bit - the crazy cat lady or Mr Magoo's misinterpretations of his surroundings.
With so many baby boomers getting older and from my personal first hand experience the medical field is pissing in the dark with regard to effective treatments, there are going to be a lot more news stories like this.
The real bitch of it all is, you often cannot easily tell from listening to such a person what is real and what is not. Trip to Mars, delusion. Trip to pharmacy to pick up prescription, real or not?
What makes everyone think that just because a species can cross interstellar space they're as good at killing each other as humans are?
I checked wikipedia. The guy is 83 years oldhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Hellyer. Maybe he is just not all here anymore...
Actually, this last one is significant even if there are no aliens within contactable distance of Earth. There are extremely few positive cases of advanced human societies mixing with less advanced societies. The response has ranged from "cargo cults" to extermination campaigns to the utter collapse of native culture, followed by extreme chemical dependencies and other addictions. More than a few of the troubles in the Middle East, for example, have been due to extreme, prolonged culture shock. Many of the islands visited by Captain Cook, described as paradise at the time, are now little more than brothels with an ocean-front view for the rich.
So, whilst I don't regard the call for an Interstellar protocol to be particularly useful in and of itself, IF we take this opportunity to look at how to communicate with others without causing damage, I would consider it a worthy investment of time and effort. If it leads to the undoing of the mindless destruction inflicted in the past, so this world can be the richer for the cultures that still exist, then it will have paid for itself many times over.
If all it does is deter people from questioning how they treat others, then we'll keep paying an absurdly high price from something only a tiny handful will ever get anything from.
It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
... but the aliens are smart enough not to land their troops until they've fully assessed Earth's Mightiest Defenders: Gamers. Hence, their funding of games such as "Half-Life" and "Doom" to identify who they have to hit in the first wave.
If you're consistently racking up a big score online: Watch Your Back!
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> Check out TFA and read one of the three "non-government organizations":
> http://www.disclosureproject.org/
Alright, go to that site and read up on it instead of just to spout some uninformed opinion... Do you believe everything you were spoon-fed in school?
I agree chances are good that there is life, maybe even life that we could recognize as intelligent, somewhere else in the universe. But what are the odds that we will ever cross paths?
Someone told me recently that nuclear engines are being developed that could make the trip to Mars in six weeks (or something). After a quick calculation I pointed out to him that at that speed we could make Alpha Centauri (the closest star system) in... 80,000 years! Now that's progress that counts.
There is also relativistic travel. If you continually accelerate at 1G, you could in theory cross the galaxy (~100,000ly) in a few decades. Of course, when you get back to Earth, ~100,000 years will have passed. And also, since you are travelling at close to light speed, you won't really see anything. You can only slow down to inspect a planet a few times if you want to return to Earth in your lifetime, and it will require planning far ahead, which is a problem since you will have no idea where there will be life. (Unless SETI delivers, that is.)
So it may be a comforting thought that we are not alone in the universe, but maybe we don't need to put the intergalactic diplomacy initiative on this year's budget.
Mr. AC,
You forget that part of the problem isn't the speed, but the mass. A Prius packs more punch than possibly a proton.
Projectiles from past the Pliedies cluster would have the penultimate power, since they'd have centuries to be accelerated a bit at a time to nearly c.
Saskboy's blog is good. 9 out of 10 dentists agree.
...is that we're totally screwed if those intergalactic cruisers run Linux.
Some good points... However, be aware that there are many people who have extra-terrestrial/extra-dimensional contacts. SETI makes certain assumptions that prohibit it to be ever successful -- it's a complete waste of time and energy unless you count people/organizations who have a benefit in having us believing that we are alone.
I think it is reasonable to expect at least a months break before any Canadiens call US leaders idiots. They may even have to absorb some shots from the rubber dog.
Sometimes at night I imagine the darkness is filled with horrible things with too many teeth, like Julia Roberts.
Well, if WE are willing to place WMD's in space and shoot at our own civilians---how much would you bet that we would kill anything else that came near us? Assuming that these other aliens are just as frightened as we are--- there will be war... Imagine if we found another sapient civilization that has a reasonably master of the atom or inter stellar travel(which we are soon approaching..) --- do you think we would let them build these massive lasers within shooting distance of our earth?? HELL NO, we would blow them out of the water--- exactly what they would be thinking.
Unless of course, we are smart enough to realize this symmetry in our political goals of WMD's...
If we are willing to put WMD's in space, we can expect another civilization to do so as well. And we are both scared shitless of each other
I always wonder why we don't put our efforts into looking for entangled photons. If we could trap them, then surely we could communicate instantly with whatever civilisation sent them. Of course they might not exist by the time the photons get here...
You sound like a government official trying to cover up the truth. Why should we believe you??
In fact, what if you are actually an alien posting on Slashdot trying to downplay your existence in our society??
And while during the day, you lead Google in developing advanced search technology and slowly gain world domination under our very eyes??
What if you also lead Microsoft in developing XBox360 to selectively burn our houses with the faulty power brick??
I can see through you, alien, with my ninja observation techniques. If I am no longer around tomorrow, Slashdot, you will know that aliens are indeed amongst us.
Hey, you got a great website there. It looks just like mine!
Arguing over whether we could destroy aliens is irrelevant to what the article is trying to say.
I think the whole point of the article is that Canadians are completely off their rockers.
I mean hey, Bryan Adams... Need more proof... Anne Murray... I could go on and on (Celine Dion) but I think we have enough evidence.
We need to build a forward military base base on a small island in Lake Michigan in case we ever have to defend ourselves from such insanity... please... act before it's too late.
Certain South American indian tribes reacted to Spanish explorers by cooking and eating them. The Spanish never attempted to re-contact them or re-enter areas those indians occupied. All other tribes were killed off or conquered by the Spaniards.
... I mean, what was that about?
I spent all that time running seti@home for nothing!
Sadly, the parent was being serious. I suppose that such a severe delusion can be quite humorous, but making such a disconnection with reality highly visible only allows it to breed...
People will pass up steak once a week, for crap every day.
In this case, intergalactic war could be very detrimental to an alien species.
Assuming the alien culture has a societal background that allows them to think in terms of weapons and killing. Which (might) be quite an assumtion. Sorry to burst your bubble ;-)
they made sure that the Arabs want to attack the US and
they will make sure that the aliens will come at us.
Self snobishness and small party business intereasts
justify all the means.
Dear ET
I did not elect this idiot human, please don't assrape me,
signed
Dead human
Wow! I knew Bush could create hurricanes, tsunamis, tornadoes, and earthquakes, but until now I was entirely unaware that he could, almost single-handedly, cause "intergalactic" war! YEEE HAW TEXAS POWER!
It's probably because he's trying to protect all the oil on the moon... Cheney's got some Halliburton contracts to tap the reserves up there.
Bush should demand the Canadians immediately surrender all of their oil supplies, or we'll start a war with a bunch of maple-leaf bearing red and white space missiles aimed at incoming flying saucers. That'll teach 'em a lesson.
(Note - Given previous treatment from mods, I feel compelled to say that the above is not a flame or troll post. I actually voted for Bush... and, for those that consider voting for him a flame or troll then, uh... I kinda regret it in a way? How's that for covering my bases?)
So a bunch of Engineering student at U of T had been planning on pranking the UFO conference that this guy spoke at on Sept 25th. With spiffy aluminum foil crashed UFOs and little green men no less.
:P
They got stopped by campus police, but it was just as well... These guys have totally pranked themselves already
J. Robert Oppenheimer, (1904-1967) the Supervising Scientist of the Manhattan Project was giving a lecture at Rochester University seven years after the first atomic weapon was successfully detonated. After his lecture he opened the floor to a period of questions and answers.
... go google ... It is insane how much material exists. Just remember that the U.S. black budget is higher than most country's GDPs, and that is without counting the hidden revenue (such as CIA drug operations and whatnot - yea, again, tin-foil hat stuff, right?). Don't ridicule. Go find out for yourself.
One student asked: "Was the bomb exploded at Alamogordo during the Manhattan Project the first one to be detonated?"
Dr. Oppenheimer's answer was short but extremely telling. Dr. Oppenheimer said: "Well - yes. In modern times, of course."
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There is a ton more material out there on ancient nuclear wars. Just go google "ancient nuclear war" and see for yourself. Be objective. You might learn something.
Alternate energy? Black projects? Black science? Oil cartels? Repressed energy technology? Science cover-ups? Murdered scientists?
Fact can be and usually is, much stranger than fiction.
It is your personal duty to fight for what is right on a daily basis. Ignoring injustice is identical to approving
I suspect the realities of interplanetary war will surprise every theoretician once it's in action. In other words, we're probably both very wrong. But I'd like to present an alternative view nonetheless.
One of the oldest rules of war is that it's better to be higher. You want to control the heights. When the valley people fight the hill people, the hill people win. Sadly, being on a planet is the extreme case of not controlling the heights, when you fight someone spaceborne.
One attacking space ship can, as you point out, be easily detected. That just means that you shouldn't try to attack that way. For one thing, there's really no good reason to ride along with your weapon. What if you just fling a bomb at your enemy planet? And note that a fairly small rock acts just like a nuclear bomb when dropped from outer space, and is very similar to a black body itself.
You'll note that this is the same scenario as an asteroid in collision course with earth. Humanity has just started to discuss how to defend against one, with decades of warning. What if our enemy throws 10000 at us with very little warning?
Being a populated planet seems to be the cosmic equivalent to being a very large and shiny sitting duck.
Actually making Bush in charge of the moon base is a brilliant idea! Then only thing we need is some nuclear bombs exploding in space between moon and the earth and Bush will be no longer a concern to us. OTOH. shame about the other civilizations...
I sensed a great disturbance in the force..... It was as if 30 million Canadians had lost their dignity all at once.
Go find out for yourself.
These people don't want to find out about anything. They are very good at one thing, programming computers; confront them with anything else, wether it be females or something outside of Science/SETI dogma they instantly reveal their true natures - pure autistic, vaccine damaged males.
This is why they laugh in the face of something so utterly serious and fascinating; its an abnormal, innapropriate, autisim response.
Normal males would immediately google to see if any of this was really true, because if it was, it would be as astonishing as it is interesting, but what you get instead is a kind of retarded nervous laughter.
Every time this subject comes up on Slashdot the response is identical. It doesn't matter how many links you provide them; an autistic person doesn't have the capacity to engage with the material. Thats how your post got modded +5 funny by 100% of the mods who modded it. Birds of a feather flock together, and thats true here for sure.
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I have several years of experience dealing with the alien threat. I've beaten them on Mars, under our seas and in our self-contained cities. I've also beaten them in space, clad in robotic gear and kicked their asses when they tried the Biomass experiment. I was thinking about protecting earth once again but i really don't support the idea of copy protection installing drivers on my box. Just call me at 1-800-XCOM
Excellent response. Thanks.
It is your personal duty to fight for what is right on a daily basis. Ignoring injustice is identical to approving
Many of the islands visited by Captain Cook, described as paradise at the time, are now little more than brothels with an ocean-front view for the rich.
Strictly for purposes of . . . uh . . . anthropological research . . . I would like to know the names of these brot^H^H^H^H islands.
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And since we are trading links have you read COMETA?
"In 1999 an important document was published in France entitled, UFOs and Defense: What must we be prepared for? ("Les Ovni Et La Defense: A quoi doit-on se préparer?"). This ninety-page report is the result of an in-depth study of UFOs, covering many aspects of the subject, especially questions of national defense. The study was carried out over several years by an independent group of former "auditors" at the Institute of Advanced Studies for National Defense, or IHEDN, and by qualified experts from various fields. Before its public release, it has been sent to French President Jacques Chirac and to Prime Minister Lionel Jospin. The report is prefaced by General Bernard Norlain of the Air Force, former Director of IHEDN, and it begins with a preamble by André Lebeau, former President of the National Center for Space Studies (Centre National D'études Spatiales), or CNES, the French equivalent of NASA. The group itself, collective author of the report, is an association of experts, many of whom are or have been auditors of IHEDN, and it is presided over by General Denis Letty of the Air Force, former auditor (FA) of IHEDN."
Not surprisingly, this report has been totally ignored outside of France, where it was widely read.
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It is correct so you have to explain why it is not.
Funny how that article didn't mention the possibility that someone who once was so high up might know something we didn't.. though he is likely insane and it is probably bad for SETI and astronomy, heck it is not such a bad idea to think about the issue.
You have to think about why an alien race might want to wipe out the Earth instead of say ignoring or enslaving it. Sparing talk about impossibilities, etc., it seems a likely reason might be that the human race was determined dangerous i.e. too warlike or curious for its own good, coupled with scientifically not being too far away (decades or centuries perhaps) from discovering a key cosmic technology for colonization like warp drive, spore launching and reconstitution, or some quite magical thing like messing with reality in this part of the galaxy. Whatever. Maybe it is just too much of a pain to deal with a planet that still has so much infighting after a couple centuries of industrialization.
Anyway, aside from maybe becoming a physicist who could unlock those neat physical secrets, or a nanobiochemist who could eradicate disease or even one day make outer space a safe workplace for earthlings, it might be a good think to be an Internet geek. Writing free software and helping deploy communications and education nets around the world will help the world unify more quickly and at a more grass roots level, one could imagine. By reducing the human resources, funds, raw materials and time wasted by ignorance, disease and military spending, we can become more efficient as a planet which will likely make us less threatening while improving our chances of getting that cosmic tech, if it is possible, sooner. Also I think there is also maybe a problem with education in the first world. When we make money, we buy a nice car and a nice house, and so on, that's capitalism and it mostly works. But if you realize the time and money spent on leisure activities by all the members of a town might in fact be enough, if effectively applied, to have a massive impact on somewhere like say Cambodia or Bangladesh, you have to wonder. For example when I grew up I never saw video of what it looks like to walk around in cities around the world, it was all very vague, the non-America grey area. Now we have not only world globes, but a world net. Maybe cheap broadband in the U.S. sometime (I have 100Mbps in my small Tokyo apartment for $50/mo.). So I am thinking that a minimum amount of organization and activity, applied with on the ground intelligence and a unified, integrated outlook, could say take the wasted brain cycles of online geeks and maybe do something positive for the world. Something to think about next time you are searching for torrents anyway. BOINC is also maybe one of those things. Anyway, I once had a little fight with my dad when I tried to explain SETI some years ago and he said he didn't believe in aliens, flat out. My position is something like in Contact where the protagonist's father says something like, if there was nothing else out there but us, seems like it would be a lot of wasted space. The end of the fight was, I don't *want* to meet any bug eyed monsters! I suppose based on Starship Troopers imagery, and that is maybe what a lot of people deep down think. It is maybe silly to worry too soon about it, but on the other hand people will not think so if it happens. Like the spaceguard watch for incoming asteroids. Anyway the nice thing about the above outlined global, or "cosmic" thinking, which incidentally is put forth in science fiction maybe as early as the very entertaining Perry Rhodan space operas, is that it will help us now regardless of whether the aliens are coming or not. If they are already here (eek!) then we got problems folks, but still better to increase information sources and dialogues with people around the world.
I for one welcome our new Canadian overlords ...
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Londonderry, Briton: (AP) Former duke James Wendermite (who abdicated to his son in 1437) proposes to the King that political negotiations with elves and fairie-folk should be established. "We being known thee French are having relations secret with thee Seelie for generations anon," said the former Duke, "and wee be losing a diplomatic advantage greatly. Any humbly-man kens thar boogums and sprites in meadows nearby, and evidences of Pookas are seen by thee painting of the sky. Iffen wee deal not with the Seelie, war will come on our doorstep like a dragon."
Commentators at the local pub "The Slashed Dotte" helpfully reported to the King examples of how fairie magic could construct trebuchets against which the Crown could mount no defense, and the deplorable state of his Majesty's infantry. "Aye been serving in me Lord's militia ever since I be 12," says local, "and I tain't seen nothin' that could stand agains' fairies. There be not enough iron for horseshoes for all the kings men, ne'er you mind a breastplate for each soldier, which is what we would needin'. Oooch, but then they be tricking our farmers, and we be food without. Why is not the King be making iron breastplates for every serf in his domain? Fairies be a threat most dire!"
Duke Johnathan Wendermite apolgized for his father's behaviour later the same day.
They've run the planet covertly for hundreds, maybe thousands of years. Bush, and all presidents, are alien hybrid descendents as are all the royalty of the world.
The interstellar war will be a fake one. War is for profit, and the aliens already on earth will have something to gain by it. Just like they start all wars for profit. There'll be greater controls to be had, (a New World Order/Government), greater centralisation of power(to corrupt), the destruction of your earthly enemies, distraction as to what you are doing and who is behind it, not to mention all the money for military weaponry. It'll happen by 2012. I'm SERIOUS!!!!
speculating is actually a good move.
lets say Russians build a plastic ufo replica and place it infront of their white house by the cover of the night. Imagine all the press hype and other governments' intels having fun. And it disappears on the next day (call in Coperfield). There goes the plausable denyability and later on aliens do go for the first contact.