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Re:the west needs to change policies
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This sounds more like ...
hotter, higher, trashier
Are we sure they're not making predictions about the next generation of Kardashians? They're definitely anthropogenic. Maybe we could bury them under millions of black plastic balls .
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Re:black balls
It looks like these balls were first mass produced to block light, not to minimize evaporation, in order to reduce the formation of a carcinogenic byproduct of water chlorination of bromine-rich waters. So perhaps the color isn't ideal for its current role - but sufficient.
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Old BallsThey've been using them since at least 2011, but until now it wasn't against the drought. http://photography.nationalgeo... - http://www.plasticsnews.com/ar...
Make that 2008: http://www.popsci.com/holly-ot...
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Re:Expert??
I think the point is, you can get those shapes with less weight. I think also that the cost comes down with scale, and much of the savings comes from improved performance. http://www.rmi.org/winter_2014...
Carbon fiber rims are common on bicycles and motorcycles now are are getting used on autos more frequently. Carbon fiber roofs seem to be popular in new car models as well. http://www.plasticsnews.com/ar... -
Re:England
Indeed, Italy has recently passed a law banning non-biodegradable plastic bags, causing complaints by the UK, which blocked a EU-wide ban.
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It's also the danger of Chinese factories
In the book "The China Price", a factory worker is discussed who had his hand mangled in an injection molder. He was left to fend for himself with a tiny bit of "compensation" from the factory. No wonder smart people in China want to avoid factory jobs -- they are not like factory jobs in the USA. See:
"The China Price: The True Cost of Chinese Competitive Advantage" by Alexandra Harney
http://www.amazon.com/The-China-Price-Competitive-Advantage/dp/0143114867
"In this landmark work of investigative reporting, former Financial Times correspondent Alexandra Harney uncovers a story of immense significance to us all: how China's factory economy gains a competitive edge by selling out its workers, environment, and future. Harney's firsthand reporting brings us face-to-face with a world in which intense pricing pressure from Western companies combines with ubiquitous corruption and a lack of transparency to exact a staggering toll in human misery and environmental damage. This eye-opening expose offers, for the first time, an intimate look at the defining business story of our time."China is already moving to increase automation. From a couple years ago:
http://ww5.plasticsnews.com/china/english/headlines2.html?id=1278958338
"In the wake of labor unrest, Chinese factories are adding automation to control rising labor costs. It was bound to happen."The same issues will play out as in the USA with a declining need for most human labor in all areas. For ideas on what to do about it:
http://www.pdfernhout.net/beyond-a-jobless-recovery-knol.htmlI also don't understand why China does not just print money to give out as a "basic income" to Chinese citizens so they can buy Chinese factory products (eventually recycled by taxes when the money supply grows to the right size). While in the past it might have made sense for Chinese factory workers to accept low wages as a sort of "tax" so China could learn how to make things based on Western know-how, it seems that has passed the point of diminishing returns. The big issue is that the Chinese don't have enough cash to buy their own goods, and that should be relatively easy to solve. I guess even the Chinese don't understand modern fiat-dollar economics, let alone the emerging post-scarcity economic model? Of course, I could say much the same about the USA, where there is a shortage of money supply because so much digital cash is either sitting on the sidelines parked in zero interest bank accounts or is in the zero-sum "casino economy" on Wall Street. Related links:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/an-emergency-program-of-monetary-reform-for-the-united-states/5494
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3p48upXJaA&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
http://www.basicincome.org/bien/aboutbasicincome.html
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Re:First my beloved Viper fighter, now this
Hey, at least we know that it reality it takes at least a dozen dumbass kids now to ruin it for everyone else... The Onion pegged it at three [theonion.com], back in the day.
Apparently, as far as gas cans go, the number is 5. Biltz USA, which owned 75% of the portable gasoline container market, has been successfully sued out of existence. Most of the litigation involved the containers content catching fire when poured onto an open flame. Apparently, it was felt that the three existing warnings on the can were not sufficient to alert the public to the dangers of pouring gasoline on an open flame. So now, no more gas cans for us. When we run out of gas on the side of the road, we'll just have to leave our car there, or use some other container which is not approved for the transport of gasoline. Or we'll just have to buy them from China, where our pesky laws can't reach out and sue them. -
Re:Moving past artifcial scarcity
"tl;dr"
Your loss. The Skills of Xanadu is an amazing story, especially for having been written in the 1950s. It inspired Ted Nelson to invent hypertext, which we are essentially using to communicate right now.
As for forests, the Native Americans were surrounded by them, and probably did not plant most of them. So, you can have "permaculture" without too much work. See also:
http://www.primitivism.com/original-affluent.htmIf robots are more expensive than Chinese labor, why do we see things like this article?
http://www.plasticsnews.com/china/english/headlines2.html?id=1278958338
"In the wake of labor unrest, Chinese factories are adding automation to control rising labor costs. It was bound to happen."What would it take to convince you that robots can be used for mining, manufacturing, and for services if we truly wanted to do that at this point?
http://roboticnation.blogspot.com/
http://p2pfoundation.net/backups/p2p_research-archives/2009-November/005926.html
http://econfuture.wordpress.com/2010/08/04/structural-unemployment-the-economists-just-dont-get-it/
http://www.marshallbrain.com/manna1.htmPeople for decades wanted to make agricultural robotics but were stymied by the economics of our society and its acceptance of cheap (slave wages) illegal labor. Give it a decade to adjust and we'll see robots in the Georgia and Alabama fields.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agricultural_robot
http://roboticnation.blogspot.com/2009/04/autonomous-grape-vine-pruner.htmlThen you will see how software can be eaten.
:-)What are "raw materials" but stuff collected from the surroundings? Robots can build new factories too (as if we did not have more than enough already). Don't confuse the fact that for historical reasons some few humans claim entitlement to "rent" on accessing resources they control socially with the issue that robots can increasingly supply substantially all the labor needed to use resources to make stuff. See Marshall Brain's Manna for one idea on how that might work economically:
http://www.marshallbrain.com/manna5.htmAnd to see how robotic mining is emerging:
"Rio on edge of new world of robotic mining"
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/f6cc3482-6756-11df-a932-00144feab49a.htmlThat all said, it can be fun to do things and make stuff, especially when we are deciding for ourselves what to do or make. Look at how much people like Minecraft. So, it's not clear we need the robots in a big way. The alternative is to rethink the work so it is fun. How many trillions of one meter cubes have been mined over the last two years in Minecraft? People even pay for the privilege of doing so.
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that fire is under control....
"That's because too much cash often burns a hole in managers' pockets, and they end up doing a poor job of investing that cash—engaging instead in foolish pursuits like empire building."
Siri, PA Semi... appear to have been wise purchases. All of these (purchases/acquisitions since 2008) seem to have, for the most part, worked out well. (not counting the last 3 since it's too early). 2-3 billion.. of almost 100 in the bank. they could have bought those companies with the interest.
April 24, 2008 P.A. Semi Semiconductors United States US$278,000,000 [31] Apple A4, A5 (SoC)
July 7, 2009 Placebase Maps United States — [32] Maps
December 6, 2009 Lala.com Music streaming United States US$17,000,000 [33] iCloud, iTunes Match
January 5, 2010 Quattro Wireless Mobile advertising United States US$275,000,000 [34] iAds
April 27, 2010 Intrinsity Semiconductors United States US$121,000,000 [35] Apple A5 (SoC)
April 27, 2010 Siri Software United States — [36] Siri
July 14, 2010 Poly9 Web-based mapping Canada — [37] Maps
September 20, 2010 Polar Rose Face-Recognition Sweden US$29,000,000 [38] iPhone software (camera)
September 14, 2010 IMSense High Dynamic Range Photography United Kingdom — [39] iPhone software (camera)
August 1, 2011 C3 Technologies 3D Mapping Sweden US$267,000,000 [40] Maps
December 20, 2011 Anobit Flash Memory Israel US$390,000,000 [41] iPhones and iPads
February 23, 2012 Chomp App-search software United States US$50,000,000 [42]I'll bet a significant chunk of that money would be well spent tooling OTHER manufacturers facilities to make Apple parts. Spend the money to upgrade a factory to make the seamless glass panes they used in the NYC store (for example) and they get really good prices on that glass for another construction project.. the new HQ.. which apparently has all glass exterior walls (and no right angles).
spend the money to upgrade the CNC machines to tool unibody chassis, and no other vendor can use that facility (because Apple bought exclusivity). OR they bought all the machines (since it literally takes HOURS to cut a chasis out of a billet http://plasticsnews.com/china/english/chinablog/2011/12/apple_turns_to_new_materials.html)
Corning shelved Gorilla glass because they couldn't find a market for it. along comes Jobs... next thing you know, Corning is making Gorilla glass screens for everyone. I don't think Apple paid to re-tool... but probably gauranteed a shit ton of units ordered to get them to start making Gorilla glass in mass.
you can complain all you want about their marketing, their products, whatever. but you CANNOT, in any way, argue that their business model isn't ROCK SOLID.
as the saying goes.. if it ain't broke....
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Re:A need to rethink economics for post-scarcity
Sadly, I have to agree that the issue you raise is a big potential problem (especially that those with power and wealth often use that first and foremost to preserve their relative privilege), and it is very much what the USA is already struggling through. For example, real wages have been essentially flat in the USA for the past thirty to forty years, while productivity has doubled or tripled and the money has gone to the workers not as wages but as loans:
http://www.capitalismhitsthefan.com/Things may well get much worse before they get better, before people (OWS etc.) eventually confront "the mythology of wealth":
http://www.conceptualguerilla.com/?q=node/402
"In fact, the cheap-labor conservatives have counter-attacked with their own “rational” theory to justify their hierarchical world-view. Some call it “Social Darwinism”, though more politically savvy cheap-labor conservatives avoid that term. The purpose of this “rational theory” is to establish that the existing social order is the “natural order”. Elites enjoy wealth, privilege and status because of their inherent superiority. The place where this natural hierarchy is established, is that mythical place known as the “market”."And:
"The Market as God"
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1999/03/the-market-as-god/6397/Marshall Brain talks about that general issue here:
http://marshallbrain.com/robotic-freedom.htm
"With the rank and file employees gone, all of the money in the corporation flows upward to the executives and shareholders. The concentration of wealth will accelerate dramatically because robots allow real automation in the service sector for the first time in history. The amount of money paid to executives and shareholders will be remarkable. Meanwhile, the one million displaced employees will flow into a job market that is flooded by robotically-displaced workers. Since all major corporations with large numbers of employees will be doing the same thing, it is difficult to imagine the economy suddenly creating enough jobs to absorb all of the displaced workers. If the economy does not create new jobs for them, they will be living in government welfare dormitories. "And also in his story "Manna":
http://www.marshallbrain.com/manna1.htmThis is starting to happen even in China. See, for example:
"Foxconn to replace workers with 1 million robots in 3 years"
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/china/2011-07/30/c_131018764.htm
"Foxconn, the world's largest maker of computer components which assembles products for Apple, Sony and Nokia, is in the spotlight after a string of suicides of workers at its massive Chinese plants, which some blamed on tough working conditions."Or from a couple years ago:
http://www.plasticsnews.com/china/english/headlines2.html?id=1278958338
"In the wake of labor unrest, Chinese factories are adding automation to control rising labor costs. It was bound to happen. China, once considered one of the lowest-cost automotive producers because of its supply of cheap labor, is becoming another example of rising expectations as workers demand their share of the country's growing industrial prosperity. The rash of strikes at Honda and Toyota parts factories and assembly plants in southern China this year -- with demands for substantially higher wages at the Japanese-owned companies -
Re:High-Speed Robot Hand Demonstrates Dexterity
I wrote: "Even China is automating to cut costs: http://plasticsnews.com/china/english/headlines2.html?id=1278958338
"In the wake of labor unrest, Chinese factories are adding automation to control rising labor costs. It was bound to happen. China, once considered one of the lowest-cost automotive producers because of its supply of cheap labor, is becoming another example of rising expectations as workers demand their share of the country's growing industrial prosperity." It is the fiscal logic of mainstream capitalism in its final death spiral... There was no net job growth in the USA for the entire last decade (despite rising population). That has never happened before in the USA. Yet, productivity in terms of the US GDP grew 40% (with the benefits almost entirely going to the business owners/investors). Why should that trend not continue? Mainstream economists, even liberal ones like Paul Krugman, seem pretty much oblivous to the implications. Offshoring is a huge red herring they are chasing..."Regardless of what Samantha said, why would someone mod this offtopic? People are creating an artificial retina, and it is offtopic to talk about the consequences of automation? Who gets mod points these days?
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Re:High-Speed Robot Hand Demonstrates Dexterity
Even China is automating to cut costs: http://plasticsnews.com/china/english/headlines2.html?id=1278958338
"In the wake of labor unrest, Chinese factories are adding automation to control rising labor costs. It was bound to happen. China, once considered one of the lowest-cost automotive producers because of its supply of cheap labor, is becoming another example of rising expectations as workers demand their share of the country's growing industrial prosperity."It is the fiscal logic of mainstream capitalism in its final death spiral...
What's going to happen when a billion+ Chinese get a taste of prosperity and then lose their jobs to machine? Judging by the USA, not much... The unemployed will just suffer and die I guess... Is that the "hopeful" end to all this? Can't we hope for something better? There are other options for progressive change as I outlined, but here is a sci-fi story by Marshall Brain about two of them, suffer and die vs. a basic income as a right of citizenship:
http://www.marshallbrain.com/manna1.htmAlso, people like to do a lot of jobs like raise good food, but our society and its economic model won't allow them (or at least makes it really hard) because the quality of the actual work experience itself is discounted:
http://www.californiadreamseries.org/rfc.htm
http://www.hulu.com/ripe-for-changeThere was no net job growth in the USA for the entire last decade (despite rising population). That has never happened before in the USA. Yet, productivity in terms of the US GDP grew 40% (with the benefits almost entirely going to the business owners/investors). Why should that trend not continue? Mainstream economists, even liberal ones like Paul Krugman, seem pretty much oblivous to the implications. Offshoring is a huge red herring they are chasing...
Part of why mainstream economists don't have clue:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/04/business/economy/04econ.html?_r=1
"But in the wake of the recent crisis, a few economists -- like Professors Reinhart and Rogoff, and other like-minded colleagues like Barry Eichengreen and Alan Taylor -- have been encouraging others in their field to look beyond hermetically sealed theoretical models and into the historical record. "There is so much inbredness in this profession," says Ms. Reinhart. "They all read the same sources. They all use the same data sets. They all talk to the same people. There is endless extrapolation on extrapolation on extrapolation, and for years that is what has been rewarded." " -
Re:You ain't seen nothing yet..
Why do you assume I vote Republican? Actually, I voted for Cynthia McKinney in the last election, and Nader in years before, mostly as a protest vote.
:-) I'm in a "safe state" so I knew the Democrats would win in those states anyway.Do you see how your assumptions could be part of the problem? Also, Democrats, like Republicans, are a big part of the problem... Democrats are not engaging with these bigger trends. Obama is a mostly a corporatist and upholder of a broken status-quo relative to what we could see. Look at who he put in charge of US economic policy (people from Wall Street). Look who he put in charge of "education" reform (people from big schools). He's also a militarist -- within three days, he used military killer robots (drones) in a way that lead to the (claimed) deaths of three children.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article5575883.ece
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/features/view/feature/Obama-Finds-Predator-Drones-Hilarious-1171
Solutions to moving beyond that:
http://www.pdfernhout.net/recognizing-irony-is-a-key-to-transcending-militarism.htmlYou're not engaging with the factual information I presented (as factual as stuff is from the US Government http://www.shadowstats.com/ ). Why? Is it perhaps just too unsettling to think about the implications? Those jobs and population figures are not much of calculations as a statement of facts as presented by the US government and a simple prediction of population growth the next decade based on the last decade.
It's true there are retirements coming up, but that is not going to fix the big trend. And in the short term (next decade) many people in the USA lost much of their retirement nest egg and are working longer, either postponing retirement or going back to work after the had retirement (incidentally, depressing wages).
So, again, where are thirty million net new jobs going to come from in the USA over the next decade?
Are you suggesting people stop trying to make sense of macroeconomic trends? Sure, doing volunteer stuff etc. is great, and I do, but you also just can't stick your head in the sand. Also, how can anyone start a business and hope for success in it if the fundamental dynamics of the economy are changing and they are not aware of it?
Also, if you look at the basic demographics of what is going on in the world (see Hans Rosling), you will see that "foreigners" are rapidly increasing in their ability to produce their own stuff. The USA has very little relative advantage anymore, the way it did when it was the only major intact economy after WWII.
http://www.gapminder.org/
http://www.ted.com/speakers/hans_rosling.html
And, you'd also see that even China is automating to cut labor costs...
http://www.plasticsnews.com/china/english/headlines2.html?id=1278958338Anyway, you might want to think about how you are filtering, spinning, and assuming information here.
The good news is, this all helps me get a better sense of how to present things, so thanks.