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California Fights Drought With 96 Million "Shade Balls"

HughPickens.com writes: Katie Rogers writes in the NY Times that the city of Los Angeles is releasing 96 million plastic "shade balls" into the 175-acre Los Angeles Reservoir to help block sunlight and UV rays that promote algae growth, which would help keep the city's drinking water safe. Officials also say the balls will help slow the rate of evaporation, which drains the water supply of about 300 million gallons a year. The balls cost $0.36 each and are part of a $34.5 million initiative to protect the water supply. Shade balls are the brainchild of Brian White, a biologist with the utility who based the idea on "bird balls" that he observed in waterways near airport runways to prevent airfield bird strikes. The Los Angeles Reservoir, which holds 3.3 billion gallons, or enough water to supply the city for up to three weeks, joins three other reservoirs already covered in the shade balls. "In the midst of California's historic drought, it takes bold ingenuity to maximize my goals for water conservation," says Mayor Eric Garcetti who was at the Los Angeles Reservoir to mark the addition of 20,000 of the small balls to the lake. "This effort by LADWP is emblematic of the kind of the creative thinking we need to meet those challenges."

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  1. black balls by fche · · Score: 4, Insightful

    To the extent the point was to keep heat away from the water, I wonder why they didn't go for something with a high albedo instead of black.

    1. Re:black balls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      because RACIST MUCH?

    2. Re:black balls by AntronArgaiv · · Score: 4, Interesting

      To the extent the point was to keep heat away from the water, I wonder why they didn't go for something with a high albedo instead of black.

      My thought as well. I suspect it has to do with black plastic being more resistant to UV degradation.

    3. Re:black balls by EvilSS · · Score: 3, Informative

      To the extent the point was to keep heat away from the water, I wonder why they didn't go for something with a high albedo instead of black.

      "... to help block sunlight and UV rays that promote algae growth,"

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    4. Re:black balls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's also the whole increasing the surface area part... they wouldn't be "stationary" (wind would rotate them), and my guess water would evaporate faster from the surface of a ball...

    5. Re:black balls by fche · · Score: 1

      (There exist opaque, bright white, UV-resistant plastic too.)

    6. Re:black balls by jdagius · · Score: 2

      'High albedo' works two ways. Yes, during the day, it would reflect sunshine and reduce heat absorption. But at night it would tend to prevent heat already absorbed from escaping (reflects it back into the water). So at night black would be best, allowing more heat to escape. Google 'black body radiation'.

      Water is already, in effect, a black body radiator, so IMHO the black-ball radiators would not be a bad solution because it radiates internal heat maximally and also is supposed to inhibit algae growth (assuming it provides 100% cover).

    7. Re:black balls by rmdingler · · Score: 1
      With regards to the algae growth they're attempting to curtail, black plastic water storage tanks and even dog water bowls are used in our area to accomplish the same goal.

      IIRC, the balls also inhibit sunlight's ability to promote toxic chemical reaction with the water's surface.

      If you add sunlight to a mix of bromide and chlorine, you get bromate... a suspected carcinogen.

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    8. Re:black balls by Rei · · Score: 3, Informative

      It looks like these balls were first mass produced to block light, not to minimize evaporation, in order to reduce the formation of a carcinogenic byproduct of water chlorination of bromine-rich waters. So perhaps the color isn't ideal for its current role - but sufficient.

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    9. Re:black balls by pla · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Why limit ourselves to only one color? Make a bicolored ball, slightly heavier on the black side. There you go, efficient at blocking heat during the day but also efficient at allowing the water to radiate it away at night.

      I think, though, the first response to this thread nailed it - They chose black for the same reason power, phone, cable, and virtually every other type of exterior grade wiring comes primarily in black - UV resistance. Probably not a good idea to put 96 million rapidly deteriorating sources of pollution into a reservoir. :)

    10. Re:black balls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With California's lack of wetness maybe the balls should be blue.

    11. Re:black balls by p0p0 · · Score: 1

      Perhaps they might leech chemicals into the water?

    12. Re:black balls by sribe · · Score: 1

      It's hard for wind to rotate them when they're touching each other.

    13. Re:black balls by AntronArgaiv · · Score: 4, Funny

      Why limit ourselves to only one color? Make a bicolored ball, slightly heavier on the black side. There you go, efficient at blocking heat during the day but also efficient at allowing the water to radiate it away at night.

      And then, if we can develop a mechanism to control areas of balls, using an XY grid of wires over the reservoir, we could selectively turn groups of balls (call them "pixels") white or black. Use this feature to spell out advertising messages to incoming airliners, and use the advertising revenue to pay for the scheme.

      Brilliant! :-)

    14. Re:black balls by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      The plastic is probably not very conductive so the heat is not bad.

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    15. Re:black balls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Most open-body evaporation happens due to UV hitting the surface of the water. The water is nowhere near boiling temperature, so evaporation cannot happen due to heat. It happens because of the energy transfer from UV (high-energy) light hitting the water heating individual water molecules to boiling temperature independently of the surrounding mass of water.

      These are "shade balls", not "cold balls". They shade the water surface from UV radiation, not from heat. That's why they're black, not white. Black will absorb more UV than white, and the balls won't evaporate when they absorb the UV.

    16. Re:black balls by jcwayne · · Score: 5, Funny

      Finally, the elusive step 3.

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    17. Re:black balls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so, it's possible to make a material that's black at 300K and white at 6000K. And it's more important to reflect the 6000K than not blanket the 300K.

      It's obviously black for UV hardening.

    18. Re:black balls by Khyber · · Score: 1

      " The water is nowhere near boiling temperature, so evaporation cannot happen due to heat."

      It doesn't have to be boiling to evaporate.

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    19. Re:black balls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you add sunlight to a mix of bromide and chlorine, you get bromate... a suspected carcinogen.

      Hey, it's California. Everything not known to be a carcinogen is suspected to be.

    20. Re:black balls by khallow · · Score: 1

      The water is nowhere near boiling temperature, so evaporation cannot happen due to heat.

      Then care to explain how evaporation can happen in the dark?

    21. Re:black balls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not just put solar cells over the reservoir and then you could collect energy and reduce the growth?

    22. Re:black balls by dpidcoe · · Score: 2

      Time, complexity, and money, in that order.

    23. Re:black balls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      These have already been tested in other locations and found to lower evaporation, not increase it, regardless of theoretical reasons you might have.

    24. Re:black balls by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      my guess is that they are not very conductive so the color is not much of an issue.

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    25. Re:black balls by hankwang · · Score: 1

      "So at night black would be best, allowing more heat to escape. Google 'black body radiation'."

      Sunlight is mostly visible and near-infrared (400-1500 nm), so white materials reflect most of it. Thermal radiation out of the surface is wide-band, peaking around 10 micrometers, 10 times longer than the received radiation. (Google Wien's law) Most materials except metals are excellent black-body radiators in that wavelength range. No need to use black paint.

    26. Re:black balls by houghi · · Score: 3, Funny

      Advertisement is a great idea, but I rather help them with my wallet.

      To help the drought victims in California I buy a lot of their Almonds.

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    27. Re:black balls by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 1

      It would be the biggest e-ink display in the world.

    28. Re:black balls by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 1

      Virtual +1 funny

    29. Re:black balls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Finally someone who at least explains why they're black.

      Though why plastic? Could they not have made them out of glass so they wouldn't photodegrade? and eliminate all potential chemical leeching?

    30. Re: black balls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Could they not have made them out of glass so they wouldn't photodegrade?

      Cost. Buoyancy. Brittleness. Problems with intake.

      Are these manageable? Apparently not.

    31. Re:black balls by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      It's ok, they have a Prop 65 sign just outside the reservoir.

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    32. Re:black balls by KGIII · · Score: 1

      They were on NPR yesterday and one of the things they discussed was the history. It was stated that they first heard about them as being used by airports - it seems that they keep the birds off. I have no idea if that is true or not but that was what the guy claimed. It was on that afternoon show with the older lady with a nasal voice - Diane maybe? I do not recall the name of the show and I am too lazy to look.

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    33. Re:black balls by Irate+Engineer · · Score: 1

      They had to crank out a lot of these in short order.

      Good, Cheap, Fast; Pick 2 comes into play here, with the selections biased toward 'Cheap' and 'Fast'. They settled for OK instead of 'Good'.

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    34. Re:black balls by Krojack · · Score: 1

      Charge $300/ball.. PROFIT!

    35. Re:black balls by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Look up "vapor pressure" on Wikipedia and have your mind blown.

    36. Re:black balls by kenai_alpenglow · · Score: 1

      How much does it cost vs how much does black plastic cost?

    37. Re:black balls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Step 2 is the question mark. You can't count.

    38. Re:black balls by Cederic · · Score: 1

      They're not exactly cheap though are they.

      I'm not saying you could buy them at retail for less than $1, but I wouldn't expect to pay much more. For 96 million I'd be expecting a serious discount.

    39. Re:black balls by CaptQuark · · Score: 1

      The balls look to be about the size of an orange and cost $0.36 each, according to the article. Not terribly expensive, I'd say.

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    40. Re:black balls by Reziac · · Score: 1

      A friend who works for LADWP said a few years ago that because of the reaction you cite, they had to find some way to cover the reservoirs to keep out sunlight. The alternative was building a dome.... which would have been orders of magnitude more expensive. (Giant tarps really aren't viable.)

      I can tell you from firsthand experience, that tough black plastic lasts forever. I used black plastic barrels in the desert, and they are still like new after 25 years in the desert sun (likewise those that sat where they were always wet underneath). I'd guess, given that mine have not become at all friable (in fact I can still whack them with a stick as hard as I can hit without causing any damage) that this plastic is not "leaking" anything into the water, either.

      If the surface is covered with anything solid, evaporation is a relative non-issue anyway, and will certainly be reduced compared to not covered at all. I recall a study that found as much as 90% of the water that comes down the L.A. Aqueduct was lost to evaporation enroute.

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    41. Re:black balls by EvilSS · · Score: 1

      (There exist opaque, bright white, UV-resistant plastic too.)

      True but non as lightweight (if you want to block 100% of the visible spectrum) and probably not as cheap as the black plastic used. The main goal is to block algae growth. Preventing evaporation is a benefit, but the black balls do that as well. White balls may help a bit more with that, but it would be minimal. The vast reduction in the air/water interface surface area caused by the balls just being there would go a lot farther than trying to reduce the heat at the surface a degree or so.

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  2. Balls of shadiness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    But they are still made of plastic, would eventual weathering meaning plastic bits mixing with drinking water? (Kind of what happens in the oceans when plastic junk accumulates and weathers)

    1. Re: Balls of shadiness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Any larger bits would be caught in the filters they already had to use, and they selected a nontoxic plastic for obvious reasons.

    2. Re:Balls of shadiness by Admiral_Grinder · · Score: 1

      The junk in the ocean does not have a known location that is easy to go out and scoop up. With this they know exactly where the balls are, they are easy to get to as well. All they need to determine is the lifespan of them to collect them before they fall apart. Now, depending on how many balls slip through their fingers they may not have a noticeable impact.

    3. Re: Balls of shadiness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The junk in the ocean does not have a known location that is easy to go out and scoop up.

      Yes it does.

    4. Re: Balls of shadiness by Admiral_Grinder · · Score: 1

      Almost, there isn't a island that you can walk on. While we have a good idea where it is, it isn't a very dense area. Some of it even lies below the surface.

  3. They should use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    rubber duckies instead

    1. Re:They should use by Immerman · · Score: 1

      Do you have any idea how hard it is to find a BPA-free rubber duckie?

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  4. as a californian I know what youre thinking... by nimbius · · Score: 1

    96 million "shade balls" could only mean one thing right? and im sure you're just itching to crack that joke, but youre wrong.

    We've only got 38 million residents, and currently theyre divided up between hollywood, totally insane homeless people, and startup tech firms.

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    1. Re:as a californian I know what youre thinking... by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 1

      ... totally insane homeless people, and startup tech firms.

      But you repeat yourself.

  5. Balls? by ledow · · Score: 1

    A ball is a sphere. It casts a circular (ovoid) shadow at best. The overlap between balls probably means you're only covering about 80-90% of the surface at best. I suppose they don't mind losing that to allow the water level to rise and fall and have the balls move over each other.

    But, to be honest, I can't imagine that's it's not cheaper to just buy a cover of some kind? Getting those things back out is going to be great fun - and expensive - if they get covered in algae, say.

    We've been saying to leave a ball in your pond for decades to stop it freezing over completely, is this really such a shocking suggestion that it makes the news here, on Soylent, The Reg and the BBC?

    If you'd asked how to shade a reservoir cheaply, I can't believe this would be more than 2nd or 3rd down the list.

    1. Re:Balls? by Rei · · Score: 4, Interesting

      They reportedly considered a floating shade cloth, but found this to be a cheaper solution when all costs were factored in.

      Why is it cheaper? Don't ask me. But it reportedly is.

      IMHO, the "ideal" solution would probably be to use the area over the water for productive purposes, such as floating sealed algae farm or floating solar farm, so that you're both stopping evaporation and getting a secondary benefit with the same system. But the overhead times and costs would obviously be much higher for that.

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    2. Re:Balls? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is it cheaper? Don't ask me.

      But...WHY is it cheaper?

    3. Re: Balls? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But, to be honest, I can't imagine that's it's not cheaper to just buy a cover of some kind?

      To cover 175 acres? You'll need supports, maintenance and more.

      Is your imagination that poor or do you know nothing about this kind of construction?

      Getting those things back out is going to be great fun - and expensive - if they get covered in algae, say.

      Oh no, wait, no, they don't care. If it was a tarp they would. These balls? Not so much. The sun will take care of it. But OK, here is how you do it. A boat with a scoop/vacuum and a bleaching chamber. Expensive? Not really, it is just a fireboat with a slight modification.

      It'll cost a lot less than a tarp.

    4. Re:Balls? by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 2

      Why is it cheaper? Don't ask me. But it reportedly is.

      Because the company that makes them is owned by a close friend of the guy who decided to use them? ;-)

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    5. Re: Balls? by ledow · · Score: 1

      96 million balls at $0.36 each?

      I reckon you can get a very big tarp, and supports, and structure, for that.

    6. Re:Balls? by jbmartin6 · · Score: 1

      Possibly the balls were already available from some other use, and the other options would need to be custom made.

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    7. Re:Balls? by 91degrees · · Score: 4, Informative

      Why is it cheaper? Don't ask me. But it reportedly is.

      My guess would be that these are easy to transport and deploy. Pulling a cloth over means getting a boat and keeping it lined up. Also needs to be transported in one piece. Balls can be loaded into a dump truck, driven to any point around the reservoir, and just dumped in. They'll spread out by themselves.

      And plastic balls are very cheap. These don't even need to be particularly good quality. Stamp them in a mould, glue two halves together, you're done.

    8. Re: Balls? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      96 million balls at $0.36 each?

      Yep, so 33 million or so.

      I reckon you can get a very big tarp, and supports, and structure, for that.

      Very big? Sure. I'd consider the tarp at Yankee stadium to be very big.

      But can you get one big enough to cover that reservoir? Apparently you can't for that price.

      They quoted a figure of over 200 million to do it. Can you find a lower bid?

    9. Re: Balls? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Covering the reservoir with solar panels would be ingenious. Double the benefit. Why not? I'd think that even in a vast country like the US, areas to put solar panels are limited?

    10. Re: Balls? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd think that even in a vast country like the US, areas to put solar panels are limited?

      You are mistaken. There's enough empty land in the deserts near LA to cover the ENTIRE COUNTRY'S power.

      Why bother building a structure over a reservoir to do the same?

    11. Re:Balls? by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Informative

      Why is it cheaper? Don't ask me. But it reportedly is.

      The balls require no maintenance, aside from replacing lost or stolen balls. Nothing is really going to be damaging them out there besides the elements, which will work on them only slowly due to their nature. A cloth would just be an algae-growing substrate mat.

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    12. Re:Balls? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hdeploying it in the first instance , its weight and having to patch the holes in the cloth all the time due to falling objects or red neck merkins shooting holes in it?

    13. Re: Balls? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We do some work for a firm that provides these sort of things for airports and "not cheap" is probably the most generous description I can give of their prices.

      As an aside, we buy in heavyweight PVC banner at ~£1 ($1.50) a square meter in not particularly large quantities, and there are plenty of places set-up to weld it into arbitrarily large continuous sheets (it's the same stuff they use when they convert the whole side of an office block into a billboard.)

    14. Re: Balls? by SargentDU · · Score: 1

      To cut down evaporation of the water and lower the algae growth. Didn't you read the summary? :p

    15. Re: Balls? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's see. Solar panels for less trouble elsewhere, with shade balls, or solar panels on a structure with more trouble.

      Pick your choice.

    16. Re:Balls? by Gavagai80 · · Score: 2

      The overlap between balls probably means you're only covering about 80-90% of the surface at best.

      Those numbers would be if the sun is overhead all the time, but it's at an angle the vast majority of the time and the balls do have height.

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    17. Re: Balls? by KGIII · · Score: 1

      It would probably be cheaper to build a solar powered desal plant.

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    18. Re: Balls? by HuntingHades · · Score: 2

      I'm not sure exactly what material weight you would need if using a tarp, but using premium quality 10oz vinyl baseball fields tarp (170 feet by 170 feet at a weight of 2300 lbs) as a basis for calculation, you would need more than 300 tons of tarp to cover the 175 acre reservoir, which you would have to ship to the site, deploy over the water, and anchor down somehow. The anchoring would have to handle all weather and wind conditions, and since its on water, you can't just put weights on top, so either you have to install posts throughout the reservoir to attach the tarps (not cheap), or you have to attach actual anchors to the tarps with depth ropes set correctly so as not to drag the tarps under. You could also tie the tarps together but that could also cause bigger problems if a big windstorm got a handle on it, like those videos of storms lifting and flipping the tarp at baseball stadiums during deployment. Tarps lead to other problems too. Lets say you have to go out and make repairs on one of the posts or tarps in the middle of the reservoir; now you have to remove an entire series of tarps to get a boat to the needed area, and then redeploy those when you're done. If someone happens to fall into the water, the tarp would pretty much be a deathtrap, just like when someone falls into a covered pool. If someone falls in with the balls, its no big deal. The balls might cost slightly more than 175 acres of tarp in material costs, but cost of deployment and maintenance will be much lower. To deploy balls, all you really have to do is put them in, and they will spread out for you. To remove them, you just have a boat or equipment near that can scoop the balls up, or suck them out while putting the water back into the reservoir.

    19. Re:Balls? by Firethorn · · Score: 1

      Thoughts I had:
      1. Balls might be more durable than cloth - if something lands on the balls, they simply shift out of the way, then back. The cloth might tear or be pulled to the bottom with whatever. Stand up to rain/hail better.
      2. Cheaper - a 'floating shade cloth' might end up costing more per coverage, after all, it needs to be woven from thread and somehow made to float
      3. Easier to place. As shown in the video, you can pretty much just dump the balls, with cloth you'd actually need to place it. The balls distribute themselves.

      Other thoughts I've had from other posters:
      Beware of the desire for 'perfect' solutions. You don't have to stop all evaporation, but if you can cheaply cut it down, that's more water to distribute to customers.

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    20. Re: Balls? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not? Making a huge, durable, food-grade tarpaulin is obviously more expensive than mass-producing a lot of small, durable, food-grade balls.

    21. Re:Balls? by Guppy · · Score: 1

      Why is it cheaper? Don't ask me. But it reportedly is.

      Along with the other reasons already listed, I'd say vandalism resistance is important. Large areas of shade cloth could be disabled by people chucking a few heavy rocks into the resevoir. On the other hand, the balls will just move out of the way and then float back.

      Sure you could steal some of them, but it'll be difficult to hold more than a few dollar's worth at a time, and they'll be gross and slimy after floating around for a few weeks so I doubt they'd have any value to anyone.

    22. Re: Balls? by therealobsideus · · Score: 1

      It was closer to 300 million to cover it with a tarp of sorts - and that's because the only feasible way the engineers determined they could do it was by building a dam in the middle splitting the reservoir into two.

    23. Re:Balls? by Agripa · · Score: 1

      A number of years ago Orange County had a problem with birds congregating and pooping in their open reservoirs which was causing water quality problems including things like worms coming out of the faucets. People did not like that very much so they were going to cover the reservoirs until Lemon Heights which overlooked the reservoirs sued to stop them because they liked the view of the artificial lake and covering it would reduce their property values.

      Maybe covering the reservoirs was not an option.

  6. Are the plastics safe to consume? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All that plastic in an open-air reservoir, under scorching sun, will guarantee that the chemicals in the plastic diffuse into the water. What are the effects of consuming it? Not that the water in the U.S is particularly good anyway, but I hope someone thought about this.

  7. BPA free? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hope these balls are BPA free so as not to contaminate the water. Being California, my guess is they are, but the article doesn't say.

    1. Re:BPA free? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are actually just off-the-shelf ping-pong balls that the government vastly overpays for. They are not BPA-free, nor are they food-safe.

    2. Re:BPA free? by pla · · Score: 1

      A back of the envelope calculation (96M balls covering 175 acres) gives a diameter of around 3.4" per ball - So more like ball-pit balls, than ping-pong balls.

    3. Re:BPA free? by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      Yes the article does state that: "The balls are expected to safely float in the water without emitting chemicals, the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power told The Los Angeles Times."

      Read the article not the summary.

    4. Re:BPA free? by trout007 · · Score: 1

      Ping Pong Balls are typically nitrocellulose. Which makes them very flammable.

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    5. Re:BPA free? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bisphenols are only used in soft and transparent plastics. However, it is unlikely those balls contain BPA, as they are not transparent and probably not soft and most of all: as cheap as possible. Using a softener agent would make them more expensive.

      Offtopic: Ironically most shampoo bottles are 100% free from BPA, yet the same plastic as soda bottles where BPA is added for the sole reason to make the ethylene fully transparent. We'd be much better off drinking soda from shampoo bottles and using the soda bottles for soap...

    6. Re:BPA free? by PPH · · Score: 1

      Oh noes! They could set the lake on fire!

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    7. Re:BPA free? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The same chemicals used in milk containers. If you've ever drank water out of one of these containers after they've sat in the sun for a day, you'd know damn well that they leech chemicals into the water.

  8. I don't think it will work. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The result will be a higher temperature of water... which will tend to kill the food the fish need... which kills the fish, and promotes anerobic bacteria...

    1. Re:I don't think it will work. by bws111 · · Score: 1

      There are no fish, the water has already been chlorinated which is why they are using the balls in the first place.

  9. Anaerobic wasteland ? by climb_no_fear · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So if the surface is completely covered with these black ping pong ball like things, doesn't that also reduce oxygen exchange?

    Is there a risk that they just turn the lake into an anoxic wasteland (sulfides are quite toxic) if they do this ?

    1. Re:Anaerobic wasteland ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This sounds just as good of an idea as releasing 480 million pieces of copper antennas into space. Our children are going to laugh and eventually cry at our stupidity in a few decades.

    2. Re:Anaerobic wasteland ? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1
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    3. Re:Anaerobic wasteland ? by kingnite9915 · · Score: 1

      Don't worry, it's only California.

    4. Re:Anaerobic wasteland ? by JeffOwl · · Score: 1

      Is this being used on lakes? I thought it was just water supply reservoirs that don't have any fish anyway.

    5. Re:Anaerobic wasteland ? by bws111 · · Score: 4, Informative

      It is a concrete reservoir used to hold TREATED water. There is nothing in it.

    6. Re: Anaerobic wasteland ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They are indeed reservoirs, not natural lakes. They maybe named Lake soandso, but they are really just bodies of water so get called lakes.

    7. Re:Anaerobic wasteland ? by frank249 · · Score: 1

      During the filming of the 1989 movie 'The Abyss' James Cameron used black beads to cover the big tanks he was using for filming. Blooming algae often reduced visibility to 20 feet (6 m) within hours. Over-chlorination led to divers' skin burning and exposed hair being stripped off.

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    8. Re:Anaerobic wasteland ? by powerlinekid · · Score: 1

      Reservoirs often have fish and in some cases quite large ones since people aren't allowed to fish on them unless they have special permits.

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    9. Re:Anaerobic wasteland ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was my first thought as well. Good intensions make for good paving material I hear...

    10. Re:Anaerobic wasteland ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ha ha!

      You really believe that 'treated' water contain NO bacteria? It contains LESS bacteria, but if they are given an ideal environment to grow in, they will.

    11. Re:Anaerobic wasteland ? by hey! · · Score: 1

      Probably. It also reduces the release of oxygen into the water by algae and cyanobacteria. But it also reduces consumption of oxygen by living matter too.

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  10. Bold ingenuity? by Nidi62 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "In the midst of California's historic drought, it takes bold ingenuity to maximize my goals for water conservation," says Mayor Eric Garcetti

    Or you could, you know, tell all those rich idiots who insist on acre-sized green lawns in the middle of the desert "tough luck".

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    1. Re:Bold ingenuity? by JBMcB · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Or you could tell the almond farmers, who use about 10% of the entire water supply, to take a hike.

      Or you could float the price of water and the problem would solve itself within a few months.

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    2. Re:Bold ingenuity? by rmdingler · · Score: 1
      Almonds aren't the only culprit

      Or you could float the price of water and the problem would solve itself within a few months.

      We tried that here, in a similar semidesert-like environment when our reservoirs were running dry. The wealthier citizens (most prolific users of water) still kept their landscaping and lifestyle with an extraordinary ability to absorb the budgetary increase and/or drill private wells to rob from a depleted aquifer. Like most measures of austerity, it has a greater impact on the poor and middle classes.

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    3. Re:Bold ingenuity? by JBMcB · · Score: 1

      We tried that here, in a similar semidesert-like environment when our reservoirs were running dry. The wealthier citizens (most prolific users of water) still kept their landscaping and lifestyle with an extraordinary ability to absorb the budgetary increase and/or drill private wells to rob from a depleted aquifer. Like most measures of austerity, it has a greater impact on the poor and middle classes.

      Was there a sliding rate? IE $0.01/gallon for the first 1000 gallons/month. $0.10 for the next 1000 gallons. $0.25 for the next 1000 gallons...

      This is how electricity is normally billed, so most homes get one rate, commercial buildings with banks of lights burning all day get another rate, and factories using plasma cutters all day get a different rate.

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    4. Re:Bold ingenuity? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All we need in California is a simple law that everyone in the state pays the same price for water, and that price cannot be less than the total cost of delivering that water. That will allow produce grown in California to accurately reflect the actual costs of growing them in a desert and the market will sort it out.

      That's the ideal. I think you'll find that many Californians who claim to be about free markets (the Central Valley is a very red area of California) will be very opposed to such a plan.

    5. Re:Bold ingenuity? by soap_and_dish · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Alfalfa plays a bigger role than almonds and people don't even eat it. It just gets fed to cows, with a notoriously poor food conversion ratio.

    6. Re:Bold ingenuity? by edtice1559 · · Score: 1

      I wish I had mod points. Alfalfa is something that, if there were any sanity to water pricing, would probably never be grown.

    7. Re:Bold ingenuity? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Or you could, you know, tell all those rich idiots who insist on acre-sized green lawns in the middle of the desert "tough luck".

      how about we tell all those idiots who insist on a city-sized sprawl of assholes in the middle of the desert without capturing any water worth mentioning even though enough rain falls on it in the average year to serve 100% of their needs "tough luck"? I'm tired of draining California dry so that socal can have water it should never have had.

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    8. Re:Bold ingenuity? by Khyber · · Score: 1

      " I'm tired of draining California dry so that socal can have water it should never have had."

      Uhh, except there is plenty of geological evidence that SoCal had much more vegetation and was not so much desert as recently as a few hundred years ago.

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    9. Re:Bold ingenuity? by bledri · · Score: 1

      Or you could, you know, tell all those rich idiots who insist on acre-sized green lawns in the middle of the desert "tough luck".

      how about we tell all those idiots who insist on a city-sized sprawl of assholes in the middle of the desert without capturing any water worth mentioning even though enough rain falls on it in the average year to serve 100% of their needs "tough luck"? I'm tired of draining California dry so that socal can have water it should never have had.

      I don't like sprawl and we could be a lot smarter about collecting water. That said, 80% of our water goes to agriculture which gets water dirt cheap (pardon the pun.) Now try convincing the ag-lobby to pay their fair share for water and related infrastructure (capture, desalination, etc...)

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    10. Re:Bold ingenuity? by khallow · · Score: 1

      Alfalfa also gets fed to plants. It's probably the biggest source of nitrogen fixing in soil after methane gas (converted to ammonia).

    11. Re:Bold ingenuity? by Amazing+Proton+Boy · · Score: 2

      We have a law in California that restricts government agencies to charging for only the actual cost of service. Tiered rates were tried but the courts just struck them down. Bad for conservation but good for limiting pricing shenanigans. It is a hard problem.

    12. Re:Bold ingenuity? by Amazing+Proton+Boy · · Score: 2

      We have tried many, many times to build new water storage in SoCal only to be slapped down by the environmental lobby EVERY time. They always find a slightly differently colored bird or worm and declare the area protected. They publicly state that the goal is to prevent any new construction of any kind. Not very reasonable people...

    13. Re:Bold ingenuity? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What a load of BALLocks that man talks.

    14. Re:Bold ingenuity? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      Uhh, except there is plenty of geological evidence that SoCal had much more vegetation and was not so much desert as recently as a few hundred years ago.

      That doesn't really have any bearing on what I'm saying. The water that it's getting now would never have got there without help. If it weren't causing problems then who cares, but it is causing problems further north, so we should care.

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    15. Re:Bold ingenuity? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bullshit. Look at YOUR water bill sometime.

    16. Re:Bold ingenuity? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have to agree with this. They asked for a voluntary 25% cut and then raised prices because they we're taking in less money. Now they've mandated a 25% cut and we'll watch the bill go up again. It will never come down even when the rains refills everything.

    17. Re:Bold ingenuity? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please, no more laws. We have laws for everything under the sun here. The LAST thing we need is another law. How about a nice advertising campaign instead.

    18. Re:Bold ingenuity? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or, you could tell those imbecilic legislators to build the proper infrastructure to withstand a few years of drought.

      I mean, what else are the legislators for? Oh yeah, I forgot - they're there to tell us what we can and cannot have.

    19. Re:Bold ingenuity? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Los Angeles is not in a desert. Perhaps idiots like you can pay attention in geography class.

    20. Re:Bold ingenuity? by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Why should someone in S Cal get the water for N Cal rates?

      Seriously, half 'their' water comes from here. Now we are supposed to pay part of the cost of the ditch and pumps for them too?

      Water should cost what the market will bear. But it's not the states to sell. It belongs to the water rights holders. In some cases that is the state, but mostly not.

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    21. Re:Bold ingenuity? by rmdingler · · Score: 1

      Was there a sliding rate? IE $0.01/gallon for the first 1000 gallons/month. $0.10 for the next 1000 gallons. $0.25 for the next 1000 gallons...

      Yes, there was (and is) a sliding scale to penalize the more prolific residential users, although there are seemingly boundless exceptions for commercial customers.

      This is how electricity is normally billed, so most homes get one rate, commercial buildings with banks of lights burning all day get another rate, and factories using plasma cutters all day get a different rate.

      I keep a home office, and years ago after moving to a new location, I cleverly arranged to have the electricity billed as a commercial account as a write off. Sounded good... I probably paid a 60-85% premium on that account for several years before I realized how much cheaper the residential rates were.

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    22. Re:Bold ingenuity? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      don't ever look at the ingredients for any of the green powders in health food stores? Some of them have alfalfa.

    23. Re:Bold ingenuity? by Copid · · Score: 1

      Letting the water price float out here wouldn't be primarily about residential users. Even at the lowest tier price, residential users pay far more for water than the average price across all uses. Letting the price float in California would mainly bite the agricultural users, who currently consume most of the water and pay a tiny fraction of the residential rate for it. Letting that rate to go a market price would solve our water problem, very likely without any more real changes to residential usage one way or another. There just aren't that many rich people with lawns to make a difference one way or another when you compare it to the cost of running big farms in the desert.

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    24. Re: Bold ingenuity? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Within a few almonths

    25. Re:Bold ingenuity? by Khyber · · Score: 1

      The problems caused further north are caused by things local to that area. What SoCal uses and wastes water-wise is a damned pittance compared to the wasteful as hell agriculture that goes on up there. All that water lost in the vineyards, almond groves, fields and fields of alfalfa, olives, walnuts, just sprayed on the ground and tons of it just allowed to evaporate away. The wasted water from up there in one year could hold us over for several years down here.

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    26. Re:Bold ingenuity? by JBMcB · · Score: 1

      You could make an argument that alfalfa also isn't a good crop to be growing in California. I think the idea is, though, that a lot of people like to eat cow meat - it could be considered a staple. If California stopped farming cows the impact would be pretty major.

      If the price of Almonds shot up a bit, the impact on the economy would be negligible. What would go up in price? Almond tea rings, Almond Joys, Almond milk?

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    27. Re:Bold ingenuity? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      The problems caused further north are caused by things local to that area. What SoCal uses and wastes water-wise is a damned pittance compared to the wasteful as hell agriculture that goes on up there.

      You mean the food that feeds the nation? Aside from the vineyards. I can't abide those fuckers.

      The wasted water from up there in one year could hold us over for several years down here.

      No, "wasted" is sending it down there to just create more Los Angeles, which is a cesspool anyway.

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    28. Re:Bold ingenuity? by Copid · · Score: 1

      I think that most cows that we farm for meat eat corn products. If I understand correctly, alfalfa is for dairy cows. There's also no good reason why we couldn't ship alfalfa in from elsewhere.

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    29. Re:Bold ingenuity? by Amazing+Proton+Boy · · Score: 1

      What part of "just struck them down" did you not understand? It will take months to years for each agency to make changes.

      http://www.ocregister.com/arti...

    30. Re:Bold ingenuity? by evilviper · · Score: 1

      Or you could, you know, tell all those rich idiots who insist on acre-sized green lawns in the middle of the desert "tough luck".

      God bless them. Those guys willingly paying higher-tier water rates helps subsidize the delivery infrastructure for everyone else.

      "80 %" of "the developed water supply" in California "is used by agriculture". You're bitching about a tiny percent of water usage... I guess that bit makes a better sound-byte, and it generally makes people feel better about ignoring other people's troubles if even natural events can be somehow written off as a person's own fault.

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    31. Re:Bold ingenuity? by Khyber · · Score: 1

      "You mean the food that feeds the nation?"

      Most of CA's grown produce is exported internationally. The nation is fed by the Midwest and Cumberland Valleys.

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  11. Ball water. by Snufu · · Score: 1

    That is all.

  12. Old Balls by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 2
    They've been using them since at least 2011, but until now it wasn't against the drought. http://photography.nationalgeo... - http://www.plasticsnews.com/ar...

    Make that 2008: http://www.popsci.com/holly-ot...

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  13. Re:What about the problem of overpopulation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Its not the people, its the farms, for that particular area.
    Droughts happen. They are periodic.
    Do us a favor, reduce your carbon footprint, off yourself.

  14. Re:Balls are for cows. by jpyeck · · Score: 0

    Ideal, spherical cows, I presume in this case?

  15. I've Got Big Balls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He's got big balls. And she's got big balls. But they have the biggest balls of them all.

  16. ...part of a $34.5 million initiative... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    At 0.36 $ each, 96 million balls are a pretty large part.
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  17. I'm not opposed to that by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    but I'd rather see more desalinization plants. The trouble is shade balls were probably pretty cheap. If you think California lacks the political will to tell their 1% to back off on the water usage try getting the tax raises through needed to support desalinization plants.

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    1. Re:I'm not opposed to that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's the problem. The NIMBY aspect is so strong in California, that people rather have to move elsewhere because cities run dry and there is not even drinking water available than build a desal plant (which most Middle Eastern nations have been using for decades.)

      This is also exactly why living in SF is so expensive. People bitch about it, but when a developer wants to take down a 2 story building for a residential high rise, people poop their pants and do all they can to stop the construction... then continue to wonder why rents keep going up.

      Best thing I did was move to central Texas. In the 1950s, the Texans there had enough sense to create a series of lakes and dams to ensure drinking water would be easily available... and Austin is the only large town in the US without pharmaceuticals in the drinking water.

    2. Re:I'm not opposed to that by bigpat · · Score: 1

      but I'd rather see more desalinization plants. The trouble is shade balls were probably pretty cheap. If you think California lacks the political will to tell their 1% to back off on the water usage try getting the tax raises through needed to support desalinization plants.

      Taxes don't need to be raised, the water bill would go up slightly. Last I read it was something like $30 a month to the average residential water bill in order to add a desalination plant to the local supply mix. Costs of desalination have come down quite a bit.

  18. interesting by deluxecards · · Score: 0

    interesting

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  20. Let's add some BPA to the water! by Theovon · · Score: 1

    So more of our boys can grow boobs. That's just great.

  21. 350 year payback period by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This about a 1000 acre-foot of water savings a year. At about the maximum price paid for an acre-foot (around $100) this is a $100K per year savings. So in a mere 350 years, it will have paid for itself if the drought never ends and allows the price of water to come down.

    1. Re:350 year payback period by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      $100? If that figure is true, then considering that I'd pay almost $5000 for the same amount of water, in my not-so-humble opinion, any Californian whining about drought deserves to be properly slapped.

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    2. Re:350 year payback period by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where did you get $100 per acre-foot. From what I understand that is on the lower end price for water in California. In some cases/areas it has gone higher than $1,000 per acre-foot. Though even at those rates your still talking a 35 year payback period. Not saying these things are a good investment, but might as well use some accurate numbers.

    3. Re:350 year payback period by Immerman · · Score: 2

      You say that like the point is to save money rather than water. You can't drink money. Crops don't do too well on it either. And California is rapidly losing their traditional imported water sources since surrounding states are mostly faced with the same drought and are increasingly unwilling to sell their own water.

      So, the options are:
      Conserve water
      Buy more water at prices sufficiently elevated to tempt surrounding states to sacrifice their own dwindling water supplies
      Start building desalination plants (generally $2-$3/1000 gallons, or about $650-$1000 per acre-foot)

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    4. Re:350 year payback period by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Dam up dry valleys and pump water up hill during rainy season for storage.

      N Cal has lots of water in a typical rainy season. Nobody has anyplace to store it.

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    5. Re:350 year payback period by Immerman · · Score: 1

      Yeah - they're going to have to do that anyway as global warming completely replaces their snowpack with winter flooding over the next several decades. But that takes *real* money, and they're already feeling the pinch. Not to mention engineering and environmental impact analysis, political lead time, etc. I seem to recall that building a dam typically takes 20 years from proposal to finish, so it won't do the any good for the current drought.

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    6. Re:350 year payback period by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      The first is being permitted/built (haven't kept track) today.

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  22. mission accomplished by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    300 million gallons a year where 3.3B gallons used in 21 days means they save about 2 days worth of water in a year. Wow, they have solved the drought.

  23. I thought a lack of water was the problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So I actually thought California had a water deficiency not a lack of quality? The real problems are not being addressed and never were in a timely fashion. The fact California was warned long ago and given options to install desalinization plants to create a water supply were turned down because of environmental concerns.
    We should better conclude that California has simply messed up big time in addressing this and is doing no better now that the drought is in full crisis mode.

  24. Re:Balls are for cows. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... in a vacuum. Don't forget the vacuum!

  25. Re:Balls are for cows. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Please don't feed the idiot trolls.

  26. PT Barnum at work... by MitchDev · · Score: 1

    ...every minute...

  27. Re:Balls are for cows. by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

    Sexconker, you do realize that your water rations are going to be cut, you silly Californian cow?

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  28. Expensive... by Lumpy · · Score: 0

    Ping Pong balls would have done the exact same thing for $0.03 each, probably less in that quantity.

    Gotta love government contracts.

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    1. Re:Expensive... by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, let's just fling any old kind of plastic on top of our water supply without checking that it won't rot in the sun and leach whatever chemical its made of into the water, or melt into a sheet that starves the water of oxygen, or chokes the local wildlife. Oh, and you'll have to get them painted black first.

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    2. Re:Expensive... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, ping pong balls. Oh wait, these balls are 4-inches in diameter. Ping-pong balls are currently 1.57 inches.

      That means for the same surface area, you'd need almost twice as many balls.

      You then have to consider the UV-rating, and the safety of the material.

    3. Re:Expensive... by trout007 · · Score: 1

      Ping Pong Balls are made of Nitrocellulose. Very fun to light on fire.

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    4. Re:Expensive... by stackOVFL · · Score: 1

      Lake of FIRE! It's catchy.

    5. Re:Expensive... by Tony+Isaac · · Score: 1

      BUT ping pong balls are less than 1 inch in diameter, so you'd have to use about 20 of them to replace each one of the larger black balls. Now the cost savings doesn't look quite so dramatic.

    6. Re:Expensive... by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      Oh wait, these balls are 4-inches in diameter. Ping-pong balls are currently 1.57 inches.

      That means for the same surface area, you'd need almost twice as many balls.

      You suck at maths. Even in one dimension you'd need more than twice as many.

      In 2D you'd need more than 6x as many balls.

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  29. Just use the water by crow · · Score: 1

    The summary says the reservoir has enough water to supply the city for three weeks. So instead of spending millions to preserve the water, use it up. Let the other supplies have a break for a few weeks, and then you don't have to worry about the empty reservoir.

    1. Re:Just use the water by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, sure. Completely drain one reservoir, while evaporation continues on the others. Then, when that one is drained, drain the next one. Pretty soon, you've given all of the reservoirs a 'break', and they're all empty.

      They're trying to minimize evaporation to *extend* their water supply through a severe, multi-year drought.

  30. Nothing New Under The Sun by CaptainOfSpray · · Score: 2

    Those who do not pay attention to the world around them, are doomed to reinvent the wheel (or in this case, balls covering water).

    Thirty years ago, I was living in Sweden, where it was already nothing new that you cover an outdoor swimming pool with ping-pong balls to prevent heat losses and related evaporation. How come this was news, and a great stroke of genius, in California?

    As an aside, they don't interfere with the use of the pool at all. You can dive in through them.

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    1. Re: Nothing New Under The Sun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thirty years ago, I was living in Sweden, where it was already nothing new that you cover an outdoor swimming pool with ping-pong balls to prevent heat losses and related evaporation. How come this was news, and a great stroke of genius, in California?

      The same creason building the world's largest McDonalds would be.

      Size and scale, not innovation. It isn't even new in California.

  31. Could save more water even cheaper by tekrat · · Score: 0

    They could save more water even cheaper if they ENFORCED the law and arrested RICH PEOPLE continuing to water their lawns despite the drought.

    The rich entitled pricks continue to waste water by the millions of gallons because "they pay taxes", and therefore, deserve water more than poor people who want to drink it.

    But do you think any millionaire/billionaire will ever serve even a single day in jail? PSHAW. There's a different "justice" system for the ruling class.

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    1. Re:Could save more water even cheaper by DarkOx · · Score: 1, Troll

      The rich entitled pricks continue to waste water by the millions of gallons because "they pay taxes", and therefore, deserve water more than poor people who want to drink it.

      So you don't think the people paying to develop and extract a resource ought to have the first right to use it? Lets face it California could not sustain the populations it does without massive water infrastructure. Local availability in terms of aquifer and the naturally present surface water would not even come close.

      If it was not for the people paying taxes, all your poor would be forced to leave! Deny the best their right to the top and you'll have no best left. That won't work out well for the masses.

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    2. Re:Could save more water even cheaper by Amazing+Proton+Boy · · Score: 4, Informative

      Rich people watering lawns is not the problem. Residential water use, ALL residential water use in California, accounts for about 4% of our annual use. It is unrestricted use by big agricultural concerns that use OVER 80% of our water. They still flood fields for christ's sake!!! Their is no incentive for them to use modern water wise farming practices since they have "senior rights" going back centuries. We can't even pass a law restricting them so now we grow rice in flooded fields. Just stupid.

    3. Re:Could save more water even cheaper by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      The northern half of the central valley floods naturally pretty much every normal year. It's not as insane as you make it out.

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    4. Re:Could save more water even cheaper by Amazing+Proton+Boy · · Score: 1

      I'm not talking about natural flooding during our 3 month rain season. The AG companies are flooding fields year round! Normally you would drip irrigation for certain crops, direct heads or similar with weather based controls for others. These jokers just crack a valve open and flood the whole field. A huge percentage of the water just evaporates. They are not using efficient irrigation techniques at all. It would cost them money to install efficient systems or to even fix leaks and broken pipes but since their water is nearly free they don't. That is absolutely insane.

    5. Re:Could save more water even cheaper by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Good luck being rich in place with no poor people. Your luxury lifestyle is very labour intensive.

      Of course, that's ignoring the other obvious outcome: if I'm dying of thirst and you're watering your lawn, bloodshed will ensue.

    6. Re:Could save more water even cheaper by DarkOx · · Score: 1

      Which only bolsters my general case against to much government and market manipulation. Why do think land values are so insanely high on the west coast in the first place. Precisely because that labor intensive life style is possible. The folks watering that lawn don't want mow it themselves, make their own coffee, or butter their own bagel.

      Stop voting to subsides these folks by making a labor force available below market rates. Welfare does not take from the rich to give to the poor it steals from the middle class to ensure the very wealthy have a perpetual servant class that the middle class by and large can't afford to utilize either. If you want to fix the wealth gap in America this is the policy answer:

      1) Stop illegal immigration, period make sure nobody gets over the boarder and if they do they are quickly found and returned to the other side.

      2) No more subsidized housing in any municipality where the cost of living exceeds the national median; bus tickets to the square states instead where folks who can't afford to live where they are can get the agriculture jobs the illegals were doing. These will be citizens with legal recourse so minimum wage will have to be paid. You can live on minimum wage in the square states.

      Places like LA where the service workers class can no longer afford to live will quickly re-align. The very wealthy won't like not having a Starbucks within 50 miles. They will start leaving themselves for places with a better wealth distribution and your giant lawns will no longer be a problem they McMansions will be left vacant and the lawns fallow. The other possibility is they will start paying wages that allow folks to live near them without subsides. If the only way get their coffee made is to pay someone $20 an hour to do it they will. At that point middle class workers will also see a lift because too will start leaving if they are being priced out of the life style they are accustomed.

      We have and always will have some super wealthy that are so far removed from the rest of us they exist almost outside of society. The wealth gap has been growing though, that is correlated with the grown of government and the social safety net. You will notice the upper end of the middle class tends to side with the GOP, the true %1ers lean left. (though obviously there are exceptions) That is no coincidence. The folks actually getting the handouts also lean left that is obvious, the middle gets squeezed as we race toward a neo-socialist society that looks frighteningly like the USSR. Where at no point was anything resembling equality ever realized. Reason through the behavior an realize that is the lefts great lie they have you under the impression they are trying to solve these problems. They are really trying to create them.

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    7. Re:Could save more water even cheaper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Their is no incentive for them to use modern water wise farming practices since they have "senior rights" going back centuries.

      That's a bit of an exaggeration, but you have hit on one of the fundamental issues. There are lots of laws in the USA that violate the Bill of Rights in one way or another, and the water laws in many places are a prime example. One of the fundamental rights arising under the 9th Amendment is the right to ethical practice of law, which - if the legal profession would actually acknowledge it - would prevent these kinds of abuses of the legal system.

      There is no reason to have laws give special privileges to land owners with respect to seniority, it adds unnecessary complexity to the legal system and violates the rights of others, and thus inherently represents unethical practice of law. Further, allowing most encumbrances on property to persist over the long term is similarly unethical, which means the separation of water rights from land title (over the long term, say more than 20 years) also violates the Bill of Rights.

      Similarly, the continuation of long term contracts that fix water prices or access over many decades are an illegal violation of the right to ethical practice of law. Long term contracts in general clutter up the legal system and they don't need to be there (the complete transfer of property title is instantaneous, so it isn't "long term" in the sense I am using it).

      A lot of the clutter in the legal system with respect to property rights derives from English Common Law, which had major ethics problems. Back in the day when this law was evolving, land and wealth were synonymous, and the lawyers were looking out for the interests of their profession in creating laws and precedents that favored the large land owners (much like the lawyers from the Southern US would later do in perpetuating slavery). Some of the ethics problems that resulted have actually been reversed in England (consider the long battle for the right to roam, for example), but the USA is still primarily using the old unethical laws (in violation of its own Bill of Rights).

      Instead of the current system, the right to water should be divided fairly among all the parties with land frontage on the water, balancing local rights with the rights of parties downstream (including Mexico, in the case of the Colorado River system), and with the need to keep rivers flowing to their terminus as part of protecting the environment (meaning we can't suck up all the water). Destroy the ecosystems along a body of water, and we only hurt ourselves over the long run.

      Balancing local rights with the rights of those downstream means being aware of how some types of irrigation can greatly increase the salt content of water, making it useless for many purposes.

      Putting all the details together and working out the rules to come up with a simple and reasonable system is something the federal government should be doing, in line with its authority over interstate commerce. In practice, there is so much corruption associated with water, this isn't happening. As the saying goes, water flows uphill towards power and money (a quote from the book Cadillac Desert, which discusses many of the issues).

      Unfortunately, California has an abundance of unethical lawyers to make up for the lack of water, which makes a bad situation with respect to water a whole lot worse. Perhaps they could consider trading one commodity for the with other regions to balance things out.

  32. Idiots messing with things know in other fields by G00F · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They are creating an environment for an algae bloom that are starting to cause problems everywhere.

    The algea blooms, which are not truly algae but are cyanobacteria, use less light(lower wave length) want low oxygen environments with lower water turbulence. And they are creating that.

    Once cyanobacteria bloom starts, it's very difficult and costly to control. It' has very few natural predictors, I don't know of any freshwater ones, and worse yet, cyanobacteria can create toxins that have killed dogs running through it.

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    1. Re:Idiots messing with things know in other fields by Khyber · · Score: 2

      I was wondering if anyone else were to point this out. There are many bacterium types that actually work with chlorophyll type-f and can absorb in the IR wavelengths and are anaerobic.

      This is a poorly-researched idea.

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    2. Re:Idiots messing with things know in other fields by myrdos2 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      They are creating an environment for an algae bloom that are starting to cause problems everywhere.

      And yet, they've been using shade balls since 2008 without incident. (See Ivanhoe reservoir.) You'd think that would be an easy problem to spot.

    3. Re:Idiots messing with things know in other fields by G00F · · Score: 1

      You're correct that Ivanhoe reservoir hasn't been having much problems. That's a chlorinated concrete reservoir that is closer to a swimming pool than a lake. Besides the chlorine it's lacking nutrients and it's oxygen levels will stay high.

      Most reservoirs, even man made ones in California, are lakes. I didn't see any information on what lake/reservoir this is being done too. But regardless people are talking of doing this to other bodies of water, even sectioning off parts of lakes.

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    4. Re:Idiots messing with things know in other fields by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      This is a poorly-researched idea.

      What is it with people here? Fucking armchair quarterbacks. No, you're not smarter than them. This isn't even the first time those balls have been used. You probably don't know that the main goal is reducing bromate production, because you haven't fucking clue. Oh and the water is chlorinated. If you'd done your own fucking research instead of just shooting your mouth of you'd know that. Sorry for all the swearing, but seriously, WTF is wrong with you?

    5. Re:Idiots messing with things know in other fields by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also considering this will be temporary as the Silverlake and others are being consolidated to the headworks reservoir... which is underground.

      Just need that El-Nino to actually happen in 3 months.

    6. Re:Idiots messing with things know in other fields by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It probably won't work well in a large scale open environment, but there are definitely a few species of small snails that eat BGA/cyanobacteria; I've been using them to control blooms in my aquariums for over twenty years. (They do eat a lot of other stuff too, which would probably wreak havoc here though.)

    7. Re:Idiots messing with things know in other fields by Khyber · · Score: 2

      Yea, we've got pretty resistant bacteria, now days.

      I have to deal with these things in hydroponic nutrient tanks.

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    8. Re:Idiots messing with things know in other fields by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are your hydroponic nutrient tanks chlorinated?

  33. Similar Technique used by James Cameron in 1989 by frank249 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    For the 1989 Movie The Abyss James Cameron shot the underwater sequences for the film were shot at an unfinished Cherokee Nuclear Power Plant, situated outside Gaffney, South Carolina, which had been abandoned by Duke Power. Two specially constructed tanks were used. The first one held 7.5 million US gallons (28,000 m3) of water, was 55 feet (18 m) deep and 209 feet (70 m) across. At the time, it was the largest fresh-water filtered tank in the world. Additional scenes were shot in the second tank, which held 2.5 million US gallons (9,500 m3) of water. The filmmakers had to figure out how to keep the water clear enough to shoot and dark enough to look realistic at 2,000 feet (700 m), which was achieved by floating a thick layer of plastic beads in the water and covering the top of the tank with an enormous tarpaulin.

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    1. Re:Similar Technique used by James Cameron in 1989 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How many Olympic-sized swimming pools does that make?

    2. Re:Similar Technique used by James Cameron in 1989 by frank249 · · Score: 1

      "How many Olympic-sized swimming pools(OSSPs) does that make?
      Based on a nominal depth of 2 m, this is 2,500,000 L (550,000 imp gal; 660,000 US gal) or, in terms of cubic volume, 2,500 m3 (88,000 cu ft), as is commonly quoted. So Cameron's big tank was the equivalent 11.36 OSSPs and the smaller one held 3.79 OSSPs.

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  34. 34 per ball? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    no effing way. Whoever wrote the article probably used to sell data roaming plans for Verizon.

    http://verizonmath.blogspot.de/2006/12/verizon-doesnt-know-dollars-from-cents.html

  35. I was ready to rip on this due to bad reporting... by ErikTheRed · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You have to love how they use gallons as a unit of measurement because it gives a really big number - 300,000,000. But in water terms, that's actually very little. That computes out to just under 921 acre-feet, which is the standard unit of measuring large quantities of water. Not so impressive-sounding now, so let's see what the actual costs are. Divide the $34,500,000 cost by the number of acre-feet and then again by the expected lifetime of the balls - say, 20 years. You wind up with $1,900 per acre-foot. This is a lot of money, but California residents and normal businesses normally pay around $1,000 per acre-foot. If you amortize the cost of these balls over the total water going through the system it's still a bit pricey but not insane when you consider the effects of droughts. For example, in Carlsbad, California they are building a desalinization plant with guaranteed annual sales at a cost of just over $2,000 per acre-foot.

    Of course, real sanity would address the real causes of the "drought" - the fact that the two groups that use 85% of California's water pay nowhere near this much. Government pays $0 per acre-foot and wastes a breathtaking amount of water. Big agriculture pays around $10 per acre-foot (the small organic farms I buy my produce from still pay the two-orders-of-magnitude-higher residential rates). I'm all for agriculture - California is an amazing place to grow food and provides a huge percentage of the fruits and vegetables consumed in the US - but the artificially low prices have been abused by some farms and orchards. There is still a lot of flood irrigation being used (and some farmers were actually growing rice in the desert). A massive amount of alfalfa is being grown in the desert and then shipped to China, because at the subsidized water prices this is actually cheaper than China growing their own hay. Sit back and bask in that insanity. The government has dumped as much as a third of California's water supply for various environmental purposes - you could argue the costs and merits of this except for the fact that none of these projects are having their desired effect, so all of that water is just pure waste (around 33% of state water usage). And then they threaten to fine us if we water our lawns more than twice a week (> 5% of state water usage).

    So anyway, for once, the black balls are the government doing something expensive but not completely stupid. But the fact that this is even necessary due to government stupidity and a breathtakingly colossal mismanagement of a valuable natural resource sort of makes it all moot in the end. There is no shortage due to drought - there's a shortage due to bad policies.

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  36. Why plastic balls? by Muad'Dave · · Score: 2

    Why not use a thin layer of biodegradable oil as has been proposed to weaken hurricanes? That would prevent evaporation and cost a lot less, I'd imagine. I doubt the oil would cause problems since the water is likely drained from below the surface. The only downside is the possible damage to wildlife.

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    1. Re:Why plastic balls? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The primary goal is to block sunlight so that it doesn't cause a light induced reaction with the chlorine and bromine in the water. Stopping evaporation is a secondary priority.

  37. Re:Solar shade or solar oven? by Immerman · · Score: 3, Informative

    Water is already a near-ideal absorber of sunlight, so the black balls shouldn't change much in that respect, except to keep much more of the heat on the surface. They are also quite likely much better heat radiators, which should be even more helpful since the heat will be more concentrated (hotter) and thus radiate far more rapidly.

    I also don't know that wind would be a problem - it sounds like they're trying to pack these pretty tightly, so it's not like they're going to be able to freely roll around the surface and lift a film of fast-evaporating water. It'll take a heck of a wind to rotate them against each other, especially considering they're almost completely shielded from the force by their upwind fellows. So most of the time I would suspect they would remain relatively stationary, with their top surfaces getting very hot, and their plastic construction largely failing to conduct that heat down to the water's surface.

    I do agree that white balls (preferably a beyond-visual solar white) would seem to be a considerably better solution at first glance, but I can think of several possible confounding factors:
    - Longevity: As a rule plastic breaks down rapidly in direct sunlight. These are probably carbon-black, which I suspect is is about as good as it gets for both cost, UV protection, and non-toxicity. Alternate UV-protective dyes are likely to be more expensive, less effective, and more toxic. Plus the faster degradation would increase clean-up and replacement costs as the balls degrade.
    - Costs: these balls are already mass-produced for other reservoir-related purposes: a new design would add at least some design and retooling costs
    - Testing (money and time): these balls have already been used in reservoirs and thus (hopefully) the health and safety issues have received at least some study. Reformulate the balls and you'll need to do those studies again.

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  38. All out of hot air by Immerman · · Score: 1

    Oh, I should also add another wind-related benefit: All those balls will almost completely shield even the exposed surface of the water from the wind - which should dramatically reduce evaporation rates. Wind being one of the major contributors to evaporation rates.

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  39. Did they test these things? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am not certain this will work as intended. I'd like to know if they tested them. Is there a physicist in the house? :)

    So, flat surface of water, exposed to air and sun. Normal evaporation occurs.

    Now, add black plastic balls which:
    1. Are black, and therefore collect a lot of heat, providing more energy to cause evaporation
    2. take the deep flat surface of the water and spread it out really thin over the surface of the (hot) spheres
    3. move around a lot with waves and wind, ensuring that the water film is always replenished on the surface of the spheres, ensuring the most effective evaporation rate.

    Doesn't sound like a good plan to me...

    As a side note, on a television report, I saw where one of the engineers claimed that there is no leaching of any chemicals from the balls to the water. I think he has probably been lied to on this point, and believes what he heard. I certainly don't.

    I just don't think this will be very successful, or at least, not as successful as they are making it out to be.

    1. Re:Did they test these things? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is there a physicist in the house?

      Yes, and considering these have been used before elsewhere, and show a reduction in evaporation in actual practice, there is no amount of theoretical arguments you can make against that. Your theory has to match reality, not the other way around.

  40. Environmental impact of 96 million plastic balls? by t4eXanadu · · Score: 1

    I wonder what we'll do with 96 million plastic balls when we're finished with them...bury them in some landfill, or ship them to China? Also, won't they break down from sunlight and UV exposure and then affect the water quality? My point here is that, sure it's great that we're possibly mitigating a drought, but at what future environmental cost?

  41. Re:Environmental impact of 96 million plastic ball by t4eXanadu · · Score: 1

    I should at that, once again, this is a great example of humans avoiding addressing the ACTUAL problem, and instead devising a solution that will in time only become an additional problem. Are they have a serious conversation about the amount of water being used for farming ni CA, especially things like almonds? That seems to be one of the underlying causes (that and trying to squeeze millions of people into what amounts to an arid desert).

  42. Re:Balls are for cows. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  43. You mean Like Milkbottles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hundreds of millions go to landfill - hmm guys its been done...

  44. dew collectors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With the right technology, you might be able to use these things not just to prevent loss of water through evaporation, but actually to reverse it:

    "Each bush, each weed you see out there in the erg," she said, "how do you suppose it lives when we leave it? Each is planted most tenderly in its own little pit. The pits are filled with smooth ovals of chromoplastic. Light turns them white. You can see them glistening in the dawn if you look down from a high place. White reflects. But when Old Father Sun departs, the chromoplastic reverts to transparency in the dark. It cools with extreme rapidity. The surface condenses moisture out of the air. That moisture trickles down to keep our plants alive."

    - from Dune, Frank Herbert

  45. until they find out the plastic contains BPA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I rather hope they are thinking ahead. A lot of hot plastic balls could unleash all kinds of badness into the water

  46. Couldn't it make things worse? by holophrastic · · Score: 1

    I know nothing, but when I put a ball into a bowl of water, it naturally rolls around in the gentle current. Like a ball-point pen, the ball picks up some water, spreading it over the ball.

    Wouldn't that thin layer over a sunny ball evaporate faster? And would the over-all wet-ball surface simply be a larger surface area than the otherwise planar surface -- also contributing to greater evaporation?

    And if the entire body of water is only good enough for 3 weeks of water, then isn't this kind of "conservation", by reducing the evaporation of water into the atmosphere just completely insignificant? Should they be focussing on getting more water -- i.e. rain?

    1. Re: Couldn't it make things worse? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know nothing, but when I put a ball into a bowl of water, it naturally rolls around in the gentle current. Like a ball-point pen, the ball picks up some water, spreading it over the ball.

      OK, how much water? How much do they roll over when composed of a layer? What if the material is changed?

      Wouldn't that thin layer over a sunny ball evaporate faster? And would the over-all wet-ball surface simply be a larger surface area than the otherwise planar surface -- also contributing to greater evaporation?

      Why don't you do the math and find out? Or check theirs, since this isn't their first reservoir to be covered.

      And if the entire body of water is only good enough for 3 weeks of water, then isn't this kind of "conservation", by reducing the evaporation of water into the atmosphere just completely insignificant? Should they be focussing on getting more water -- i.e. rain?

      No, three weeks of water supply is not insignificant, not to the people in this area. What ideas do you have to suggest more rain? What will they cost?

    2. Re:Couldn't it make things worse? by Bratch · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't that thin layer over a sunny ball evaporate faster? And would the over-all wet-ball surface simply be a larger surface area than the otherwise planar surface -- also contributing to greater evaporation?

      The balls are partially filled with water, so they don't float exactly on top, and it probably prevents them from rolling over as much.

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    3. Re:Couldn't it make things worse? by kencurry · · Score: 1

      1. The balls are hydrophobic, so they don't really "coat" themselves with water.
      2. The real key is that the interstitial spaces are reflux zones, that let the evaporating water condense and run back into the pool.
      3. Not sure where you were going with the "getting more water..." comment

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    4. Re:Couldn't it make things worse? by amRadioHed · · Score: 1

      When was the last time you put a ball in a bowl of water? I just tried it with a ping pong ball and the ball didn't roll at all. Even with the water running.

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  47. Re:Solar shade or solar oven? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They've already done tests on other setups that are much larger than a backyard pool and found it reduced evaporation ~30%.

  48. I'm surprised California would do this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With all the toxicity of plastic heated by the sun getting in bottled water, it surprises me that California of all places would put plastic in their drinking water.

  49. Typical LA by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 1

    Throwing that much shade.

  50. The balls cost $0.36 each?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I could have done it at less than half that price, just by buying breast balls off of Alibaba.
    Breasts, breasts as far as the eye can see.

  51. Great fun! by charlesj68 · · Score: 2

    In other news, thousands of Golden Retrievers have been observed hitch-hiking to Los Angeles to participate in an event described by one traveller as, "a canine Burning Man festival". "It's like somes guy just kept throwing balls and throwing balls, but der was no dog to go get 'em," said Max, a 7-year-old neutor from Chicago.

  52. Are we in Norstrilia? by Thagg · · Score: 1

    In the Cordwainer Smith book Norstrilia , the protagonist buys Earth, and is astonished when he comes to visit that the rivers are not covered, that evaporation runs rampant -- unlike back on his home world of Norstilia. Over the three decades I've lived in California, and especially over the last few years, that part of the book seems more and more like reality.

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  53. Ridiculous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    California and Governor Moonbeam will never be serious about ending the drought until they admit that the only real solution is to build infrastructure to capture rain water instead of funneling it out to the bay.

  54. Simply Reduced Surface Area! by Irate+Engineer · · Score: 1

    Evaporation rate is proportional to surface area. Floating anything on the surface reduces the exposed surface area. Individual floating balls work much better than tarps, coverings, etc, because they are self-supporting and do not obstruct access to the surface (fish, boats, swimmers, etc). This is a simple and clever idea.

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  55. Toxic plastic in my drinkning water? by zzzz7777 · · Score: 1

    Apparently, plastic can leach chemicals such as DEHA, a possible human carcinogen, and benzyl butyl phthalate (BBP), a possible hormone disruptor. What are endocrine disruptors? "Endocrine disruptors and man-made chemicals that alter, mimic or block hormone production or the system that carries them. You can call these external stressors, while your internal stressors that affect the system are rooted in negative emotions, fear, trauma and stress." "Some of these disruptors are surprisingly abundant in your internal and home environment. Here are some of the most common ones, along with the products that often contain them: Bisphenol: BPA, BPS in *plastics* and in the lining of canned goods. " http://www.mindbodygreen.com/0...

  56. Re:I was ready to rip on this due to bad reporting by Pallas+Athena · · Score: 1

    So, "acre-foot" is now the standard unit for measuring water quantities? Last time I checked, the standard unit was cubic metres...

  57. Re:Environmental impact of 96 million plastic ball by amRadioHed · · Score: 1

    The balls are good for 10 years, at which point they will be collected and recycled.

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  58. Re:What about the problem of overpopulation? by micahraleigh · · Score: 1

    China and the EU have some of the most restrictions, but their standard of living is FAR below the US which has no child count restrictions or consumption regulations.

  59. How about floating solar cells? by PeterM+from+Berkeley · · Score: 1

    Float solar cell rafts on top to shield the water from the sun and limit evaporation somewhat. And generate power at the same time.

    Not my idea: someone proposed that we do this on Lake Powell, which loses enough water every year to fill the water needs of a pretty large city, maybe even Phoenix.

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  60. Here in Northern California... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We let our lawn turn brown and did our part to save water.

    Then after a month or so driving around the neighborhood we noticed most lawns were quite green and lush.

    So much for "saving water"...

  61. Re:Environmental impact of 96 million plastic ball by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That isn't the problem of LA Water and Power, they aren't responsible for setting agricultural policy.

    So they have a reservoir. They have a way to solve a problem with bromate formation that they found reduces evaporation.

    Why shouldn't they fix it while other people argue about whatever other crap you want?

  62. Re:I was ready to rip on this due to bad reporting by kenai_alpenglow · · Score: 1

    Depends on what you're measuring. Since you're mainly using the water for agriculture, and the fields tend to need so many inches of water and are measure in acres, the natural unit would be "acre-foot". Kind of like using "board-foot" for measuring lumber.

  63. [troll] Los Angeles by Sarusa · · Score: 1

    Los Angeles, where swishing millions of black balls in the water actually improves the water quality.

  64. Crystals! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyone who has studied metallurgy will recognize that the balls organize themselves into crystals. You can see this here:
    http://lh5.ggpht.com/-INKZxzdKH34/TrvygG29zFI/AAAAAAAARlY/JmZE29vN5Kk/ivanhoe-resorvoir-93.jpg?imgmax=800
    Groups of balls form regions of hexagonal patterns, and each region has a different orientation from its neighbor regions.
    See also wikipedia on metal grains: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grain_boundary

  65. Of course, each ball is labeled correctly by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1

    This being California, Prop 65 must come into play.
    "...known to cause cancer or birth defects or other reproductive harm..."

  66. Human impact of shade balls by Contract+Gypsy · · Score: 1

    I'm curious to know what material (plastic) the balls are made of and the mold release used during the production process. Sure, just one "toxic" ball is not enough to poison the folks drinking the water, but multiply that by 96 friggin million times... you might just have a real toxic problem.

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  67. old idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This technique has been used in the chem industry for decades.

    I was shown some polypropylene hollow shperes manufactured by a UK company called Alplas in the mid 1980s.

  68. $0.36/ball? by guruevi · · Score: 1

    Given that I can get ping pong balls retail at $0.08/ball including shipping, I think they got ripped off.

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  69. What 96 million black balls looks like... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The end result looks like a crowded inner city public pool on a hot summer day.

  70. so what about rain. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know all you super smart people think it even matters what the fuck they put in there, but none of you super brains realized that if you stop the water cycle it will stop raining. If evaporation doesn't happen, the clouds can't develop and filter the water. Which means no more naturally fresh water. Which means even more non existent money gets spent to try and filter whats left in the end. Good job stupid fucking man kind.