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http://www.pnac.info/ A more indepth look (or replace indepth with "bias")

http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonlette r.htm

The scariest place on the net. If you really support this admin, and haven't read this, your an idiot. No arguement here, you don't understand what it is your supporting. Pax Americana.

http://www.peace.ca/paxamericana.htm Just an outline of the shift in the admins arguement for going to war. Linguistists will be studing this for YEARS. Seriously, this shows a new form of language manipulation that is balls out scary.

It's even better than Communism, though. At least that had the U.S.S.R. as its main symbol, so when the U.S.S.R as we knew it fell, politicians had to shift off that war onto something else (arguably the "War on Drugs"?).

Now, though, it's been shown that the War on Terrorism can continue without any substantial nation-based symbol and can continue ad infinitum. Look at Iraq, and how a "terrorism threat" was conjured from practically nothing out of that country. Think it couldn't/wouldn't happen again if the war in Iraq was suddenly won, and the government's ratings were in the dumps, and a new enemy was needed?

Check out the PNAC. It's not a football conference, but the latest way of governing the American people. Frightening and brilliant, and it's working.

Anyhow, all that means is that every now and then, things like this are going to happen.

For the last few months I have been almost certain that Bush was going to win, either due to flag-waving consumer-units tipping the balance or from out-and-out fraud in Ohio and/or Florida.

I put my business up for sale two months ago and took a second on the house to do some remodeling before I put it on the market. Hopefully all will be completed and the house and business sold by the end of the year.

On the one hand I feel like it's a cop-out, like I'm giving up. On the other hand it's like a marriage that's over - what's the point of dragging it out any longer.

I'm tired of being ashamed of my country. Im tired of trying to talk sense to right-wingers that are so brainwashed that nothing short of a full on police state will wake them up (give it time, it's coming). Like another poster pointed out, Americans in general are too fat, ignorant, and happy to revolt. At least I don't see it happening anytime soon. The heart of America has devolved into the MTV/Fox nation.

Fortunately my wife has family in Vancouver B.C. and Toronto so we have a choice of location and someone to help us through the process. If all goes well we'll be there for New Years '05.

BTW: check this out and then read this.

As long as you start with day one being 9/12, then you are ok. We would not be in iraq if 9/11 had not occurred.

If I had to call it something novel, it would probably be: "Conservation of a False Dichotomy".
Unfortunately it already has a name: "Project for the New American Century"
Pro: newamericancentury.org
Con: www.pnac.info
You might find this interesting. Of particular interest is the comment on page 51 that a new Pearl Harbor to catalyze support for their agenda. BTW, this was published in September of 2000.

But not by invasion. Saddam was a problem because he could jerk around the price of oil by posturing, he was trying to be a rallying point and inspiration for Muslim anti-Western sentiments, and he was funding terrorism against one of our allies (Israel). Even if he hadn't been bluffing about WMD (I think he assumed that sowing doubt about whether he had them or not would make an invasion look too costly), he wasn't a military threat to the U.S., or even any of his neighbors.

Game it out. He was doing pretty well where he was (though Iraq's general populace of course was not); if he'd attacked a neighbor, it would have been Gulf War II with a real coalition and his neighbors footing the bill for most of it. If he'd attacked Israel in earnest, I think they might well have nuked him. Attack the U.S. directly? It is to laugh.

What about supplying terrorists with WMD? First, of course, he didn't have them, but let's assume for the sake of discussion that the top Bushies really thought he did. Game that out from Saddam's perspective. Let's say he hands over some kind of Anthrax or poison gas to a terrorist group, and they actually use it on the U.S.

What if it's traced back to him? No matter how careful he is, there's a significant chance of this. At that point, the U.S. goes in, guns blazing, with actual international support, or at least not active opposition.

Saddam's best course of action was to maintain the status quo as an irritant. And he might be a ruthless, evil SOB, but he's not stupid. He knew that.

I think Bush (or at least some of the people in Bush's cabinet) understood this. But they wanted to invade anyway (they have for a long time), and they jumped on the 9/11 thing as a good excuse. Now we have an actual war (not just a rhetorical 'war' on terror) on two fronts (remember Afghanistan? Bush forgot...) , international scorn, and we're bleeding billions into maintaining this effort while the economy is, at best, stagnant.

It just stuns me that anyone is actually going to vote for this schmuck...

The PNAC agenda + our current military status = the draft.

Its like the lottery, except when you win you lose. Don't like it? Kick out Bush and his PNAC buddies.

Actually, it seems that the PNAC was hoping for a "Pearl Harbor" like attack a year before 9-11.

So, yeah, people are crazy and dumb. What can I tell ya.

you've already got one, m'lad. they're called the project for a new american century - the think tank that came up with the whole notion of making u.s. foreign and domestic policy more "pc" (patriotically correct). it's all on record here:

official pnac site:
http://www.newamericancentury.org/

analysis site 1:
http://www.pnac.info/

analysis site 2:
http://pnacrevealed.com/

read 'em and vote.

Have a quick look over at:

http://www.newamericancentury.org/

and as a follow up:

http://pnac.info

The US wants a "Pax Americana".... (hmmm, heard that one from the Romans and the Britons before).

I just wish the American people would look around and see that their government wants world domination. I'm Canadian and there is no way in hell I am living under a "Pax Americana" with Bushy calling the shots.

I like the fact that my country respects the poor and trys not to leave them for dead. I respect the fact that I get my health care for free. I respect the fact that my government is realistic about the war on drugs... if you can't win, make money at it. I would have thought the US, such a strong economic power, would have realized this first. I respect my government and I WILL NOT LIVE UNDER AMERICAN WORLD RULE!

America has a great deal of good to offer the world, but please, you are no the end-all and be-all of human civilization. That's what the Nazis thought and you are starting to sound the same.