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Re:Well said Mr. Vidal.
So. Let's ask ourselves again. How did Bush "steal" the election? How did the Supremes "select" Bush? How was the Constituion thwarted? Just because the guy with the most votes lost does not mean that anything broke. The Consitution is not a democratic document.
First, you conveniently only reproduced the weird recount results that would have given "Bush wins." In true Fox News style, you left out the FACT that Gore would have won a total recount, regardless of the standard applied. Think about what that means. Even with the all the funny business pulled by Jeb Bush and Catherine Harris (see below), the intent of the Florida voters who were not wrongly denied their right to vote was that Gore should win. Only under bizarre partial recounts (that, ironically, the Democrats were requesting) would Bush have won. Read my whole post. Don't just stop at "Bush would have won the goofy partial recounts." The rest of my post shows that no matter what standard you apply, Gore would have won a complete recount.
The "funny business" I mentioned above includes the effort by Jeb Bush and Catherine Harris to remove tens of thousands of voters who were NOT felons, but were members of Democrat-leaning demographic groups, from the rolls, resulting in a swing of some 30,000 votes to Bush. I hope I don't need to tell you that's significant in an election decided by hundreds of votes. Add to that the intimidation of minority (Democrat-leaning) voters by the State Police, again, under orders from Jeb Bush, plus the Diebold machines that SUBTRACTED over 16,000 votes from Gore when the votes from a specific county were added, confirmed by Diebold employees in the incriminating Diebold memos, and you've got a very strong case for a stolen election. There is MUCH more to this than the fact that Gore won the national popular vote. He also won the Florida popular vote (even with the playing field slanted to help GWB by his brother the Governor and his campaign manager, who also happened to be Florida Secretary of State), but the Supreme Court stopped the recounts, giving as its reason that if the recounts were completed and the will of the voters determined, Bush might not win. Scary, but true. Read the decision.
One more thing to consider: most people think Bush would have won a recount because virtually every news outlet printed the results I cited in my previous post, clearly showing that even the Bush-limited set of Florida voters elected Gore, but the correct counting of their votes was thwarted by the Supreme Court. And yet the myth of "liberal media" persists. Even the New York Times, the Right's favorite example of a "liberal" media outlet, ran the story with a headline saying Bush would have won. Why? I think the timing has a lot to do with it-- the results of the NORC survey came out in September of 2001...
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Re:Media trying to hide the Media's attempt to rig
Uhhhh... I'm guessing you get your news from a "fair and unbiased" source like Roger Ailes, Media Director for George HW Bush's campaigns and creator and producer of Rush Limbaugh's TV show.
There are some FACTS that get in the way of your straight-from-the-GOP arguments. I figure it's probably a lost cause to try to convince you, but here they are...
(First, for the record, I am neither a Democrat nor a Republican, and am horrified at the increasing narrowness of the American political "spectrum" after having lived for 3 years in a thriving Democracy (Brazil), where there are more parties than anyone can name, and virtually all points of view are represented, with no one or two or even three parties able to dominate)
That said, on to the uncomfortable facts...
Yes, there was some serious rigging in the 2000 Florida election, but it looks like most of it was done by the Republicans. Besides the funny business that went on before the election (ordered by Jeb Bush) to remove tens of thousands of Democratic voters from the lists of registered Florida voters, and besides the numerous African-American (likely Democratic) Florida voters who were denied their right to vote, there is the matter of the leaked Diebold memos, which show that there was some election night hanky-panky with the 2000 Florida presidential vote totals (made possible by Diebold, a company whose top man has declared that it is his mission to deliver Ohio's electoral votes to George W Bush). Best of all, Diebold does not deny that these things happened; it is trying to use the DMCA to shut down any site hosting copies of the incriminating memos, alleging that these company memos are copyrighted material. IANAL, but that looks to me like a direct admission of ownership and verification of the authenticity of those shocking memos. If I had a site hosting those memos and I were to get a Cease and Desist from Diebold, I'd simply tell them "no way" and hope hope hope to get the chance to discuss the contents of those memos in front of a judge.
Bad as all this is, as they say on infomercials, "that's not all!" Recounts were stopped because the Supreme Court, loaded 6-3 with Republicans, including one major political activist (Scalia) and his apprentice (Thomas) basically said that if the recounts weren't stopped, George W Bush might not be President. Worse, they basically recognized the ridiculousness of their own arguments and said that this case could never be used as a precedent for a future case. Funny that... (in a distinctly non-humorous way, of course)
I'm guessing Ann Coulter didn't mention these things. I wouldn't be surprised if the presenters at Fox News forgot to mention them either...
Don't even get me started about the fact that exit polls unanimously showed Gore winning Florida... or on the recent election in Georgia, where every poll (exit polls, third-party pre-election polls, Democratic AND Republican internal tracking polls) showed the Democrat winning handily, but the Republican ended up winning with relative ease. Small but possibly important detail: an unverified patch was applied to the Diebold (that name again!) voting machines after they'd been certified by Georgia election officials.
What? Brit Hume didn't mention that? Color me shocked!
As for your comments about people engaged in shady activity loudly bla -
Re:The 52 most dangerous American officialsWhat's wrong to give the credit to French? At least they elected the president that is not that boneless trying to say "No" to dangerous plans of that crazy cowboy.
And too bad they have banned it in North America. So much for Freedom of Speech... Is it possible to buy it in Europe?
By the way, the pictures finally remind me pictures from the presidentmoron.com. Enjoy
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Re:Borrow some...
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it's called LDAPI know, LDAP is designed to host and distribute personal user acount info, while you want LDAP for everyone, not only computer users. But the problem is that outside of computer industry itself computer information services are either expensive or useless.
Twenty years is not really a long time interval to change our social life revolutionary. Although, it was in last 20 years that Internet have become a part of our life. Or have it?
Most of information services in Internet are about other Internet informational services or about Internet technologies. No wonder: when it is growing on shoulders of Internet enthusiasts they publish what they know. And the best they know is Internet itself.
The picture was going to change with B2C, but the boom has collapsed saddenly, and then all investors have frozen their money waiting when Mr. President will finally all his wars he's planned. I guess once he's doneand investors are back then B2C will take it's second chance and then we'll finally see more and more infomration services about resources directly not related to internet nor to computer industry.
Another factor is that ma-bells in their core services are far from being "internetized". They might still afraid Internet after ATT was hacked famously in eary 1980s. I worked in ATT. I remember that Internet is prohibitted for all workstations (exception: http proxy for some of them). It's just an illustration of paranoid anti-internet environment there.
Another factor is the modern anti-spam trend - people afraid spam and telemarketing and they don't want to publish their personal info like phone numbers and email addresses. I guess until there will be a law (international, as domestic laws do not protect such international thing as Internet) protecting from spam and from telemarketing, until then people will not let their info being published.
Conclusion: let Mr. Bush finish his wars and investors to re-animate B2C, let ma-bells leave their paranoid fears of Internet, let the law protect people from the spam - and you'll be able to use LDAP to find you friends even if they are not connected to Internet.
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Re:Best way to survive tornadoesBut the area of potential tornados is a VAST area. Are you seriously suggesting that nobody should build anywhere in all of Oklahoma, Texas, Nebraska, etc?
Move to Canada. There are still enough of not-overcrowded-yet places.
Besides, I think that flooding once every 50 years is less disater as arrogant goverment after every other election.
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Re:In related news...Hmm. I've go the logic of Mr. Bush:
Luna ("moon") is a symbol on many Islamic flags. So, that's why that place has been chosen by Saddam Hussein to hide his MDW ("mass disstruction weapons").
By why not send there some UN inspectors at first? Otherwise there will again be no evidence that MDW was there or not. Well, perhaps Mr. Bush doesn't care about any evidences of MDW anymore, he wants just destroy MDW in every place where he thinks there might be a chance of MDW. Smart guy!
