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Re:*Jaw drops*
No, it's a term used to describe Justices who find things in the constitution that are not written, or use foreign law to support decisions (which generally involve more power resting in the hands of the national government.)
Nope, it really is a term used by conservative Republicans to assail decisions they don't like. The problem is conservative judges are "activists" too.
For instance, using a vague "right to privacy" not ennumerated, but apparantly implied by the constitution
What part of "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized" do you no-right-to-privacy-in-the-Constitution types not understand?
It should probably also be applied to justices who failed to strike down John McCain's (R-AZ) campaign finance "reform" law, which clearly violates the first ammendment in the months leading up to an election.
No, unlimited campaign financing is what restricts speech, because it crowds out other speech. That's the reasoning the courts have used on why restrictions on it are constitutional.
That it has mostly been liberal judges (though many of those appointed by republican presidents) and liberal issues is immaterial to the general problem, except that it seems conservatives are the only group that's really aware of the problem. (so naturally, the liberal excesses will be the ones more strongly remembered.)
You say "awareness", I say "hypocracy". See the above link. -
Re:Point of the article
I'm going to assume you actually aren't aware of what's going on, and that you're not deliberately trying to pretend, and supply you with some reading material. Please consider the following articles in support of my statements:
Let's start with the no-fly list:
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2003/07/25/no_fl y/index_np.html
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2002/ 09/27/MNNOFLY.TMP&nl=top
http://www.globenet.free-online.co.uk/reports/prot estersdetained.htm
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/957183/po sts
This one's just fun: they barred Ted Kennedy (the senator):
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/08/19/senator_on _terror_watch/
And this one just basically says the No-Fly list is managed rather stupidly:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/04/07/aclu-suit/
Now lets look at the Patriot act:
First, this google search returns almost 3 million hits on patriot act abuses:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22Patriot+Ac t%22+abuses&btnG=Google+Search
Here's a detailed analysis by the ACLU about what's wrong with the Patriot Act:
http://www.aclu.org//safefree/general/17203leg2003 0214.html
Here's a Register article about how the Patriot Act isn't being used against terrorists, but rather regular criminals (a group for which the act was not meant to be used, I'd consider that an abuse), side-stepping their civil liberties:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/05/22/us_antiter ror_law_used_against/
Here's an article about an interesting talk that went on at Harvard about the subject:
http://www.pbs.org/weta/washingtonweek/voices/2003 10/1010abuses.html
Here's a fun reprint of a Village Voice article about the NYPD seeking to spy on protestors and such:
http://www.refuseandresist.org/police_state/art.ph p?aid=619
I could go on and on, but I think I've made my point. The Patriot Act should be quietly killed off and our civil liberties re-affirmed.
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Cincinnati isn't a good test...
...since they have a habit of censoring just about everything under the sun.
The C stands for Censorship. After all of this, what's left to justify broadband? :) -
Re:Why all the concern?Freedoms are gradually taken away, great..
Why is that great?
would you want to live in the world with the same freedoms of uncivilized times?
9/10/2001 was uncivilized times? In that case, yes! The only way to ensure democracy is transparency in the government, not in the citizenry. I would consider this age of secret trials, secret military tribunals, and illegal captivity without due process to be uncivilized.
I'm still miffed that I lost my freedom to dump toxic waste in drinking water.
I can't believe you really did that. If you did, and when you say "I lost my freedom", I hope that means you're in jail for violating the rights of others. But, what I don't understand is how that relates to the State monitoring your every move in public, and after that's allowed who knows how much longer before they do it in private?
Why can't I take guns on airlines?
Because, unlike guarding your privacy from intrusive government, carrying a lethal weapon can be contributive to intentionally lethal acts? Couple that with the ease in which a single bullet could quickly wipe-out hundreds of lives, on the plane and on the ground, made the argument for a gun-ban on planes that much easier to swallow. Mass murder, as it happens, was illegal pre-9/11.
Why can't I have the freedom to molest young children?
Because you would be violating their rights?
This cameras sounds like a good one. Do people really have an expectation of privacy when they're on public streets?
Not from each other, but from a government proven to abuse the power granted to it by the people at every opportunity. Your unreasonable fear of everything in life (from sudden heart-attacks to skidding in the rain), and incessant need for safety, encroaches upon my liberty to enjoy life without intrusive government. Just behave sensibly and you'll survive as your forefathers did across millions of years simply to produce the unique individual known as *you*. There's no government-monitored camera on you right now, and look you're still breathing!!
I'd love to see national ID's, I don't even understand the privacy argument against it.
The reluctance you don't understand stems from years of documented abuse by what at first appeared to be reasonable (to the population at the time) requests and benign acts by various governments to keep order. The arguments are always the same, as are the results. I don't have to name recent government abuses to you, you know them. We won't even go into the governmental abuses throughout history. To ignore the lessons from the past and think that they won't be repeated is naive. People haven't changed, and it's people in government who abuse their responsibilities and their authority. Most do so without penalty.
It's simple the government needs a way to identify it's citizens.
How does it do it now? Have
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Re:No one was harassed
Don't spread the myth. The only ones who were harassed or arrested were the ones who engaged in violence, criminal trespass, or other actions which went beyond speaking their minds.
Bullshit.You're the one spreading a myth, bud. A few minutes with Google puts the lie to your claim:
- mass arrests in San Francisco
- Brett Bursey was arrested for "trespassing" while on public property with an antiwar sign - and is now facing federal charges
- Thomas C. Frazier arrested for trying to carry an anti-war sign
- Anti-war veterns not allowed to march
- Protestors arrested after violating unconstitutional restraint of demonstrations in Lafayette Park
- Protestor beaten in Santa Cruz
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Re:There's another excellent article on this
The source for the above linked article is pretty far out there, but what I found the most humorous is their merchandise section. They spend some time harping on the evils of the American free-market system in their manifesto and then ask you to participate in it. Arguably, if you really want to "fight the power" in America, the only real way to do it is to buy as few American products as possible. Whoops. Oh well. I guess the free-market-system is okay when the money goes to them.
P.S. Don't get me wrong, I agree this world, and the U.S. in particular has a lot of problems. I just hate hypocrisy. -
There's another excellent article on this
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The story not told in US
Those of you who want to read the real story (it was not told in US) Short summary: Read this
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Re:God....damn.
What I'm saying is that these extremists want us dead and our society destroyed. And there is absolutely nothing we can peacefully do, politically or otherwise, to change that. There is no reasoning with these extremists because their end goal is the complete and utter destruction of our (re: most average Americans') way of life.
I suspect that this number is not as high as you think it is. I would compare it to the number of "Christians" who want to see all non-wasps killed (e.g., extremist KKK-type organizations). I would submit to you that the numbers you speak of are inflated in this day and age, because of United States and others' aggression (which you can read more about from links I provide below). So in response to "we can do nothing" etc., I would disagree. (1) We can try to remedy the wrongs we've done in the past, (2) We can make sure not to do them again in the future. I believe these 2 things alone can help quell the rising tide of Islamic fundamentalists who want to see us dead and hanging from posts.Oh, and as far as military action in the Middle East for centuries goes...don't forget war amongst the tribes, fueding warlords, etc, etc. It ins't just the West that's been fighting there.
But that's irrelevant. What they do amongst themselves has nothing to do with justification for us fighting with them.If there were effective alternatives to forcefully protecting ourselves, then I'd love to hear them.
Who says we have to use force at all? I personally think this whole scenario could have been avoided, had we not been conducting ourselves in such a horrid manner. To me, the only way to achieve security is to not give anyone a reason to do this again. We will never be able to squash everyone who wants to do harm to us. The only course of action is in not giving them the motivation.And just what is the West trying to accomplish in Afghanistan?
Good question. Decide for yourself. But I strongly urge you to question the reasons the government and mainstream media are giving to you. Remember, they do not always tell you the truth. Sad fact of life. Suggested reading for this question, and the other issues surrounding the attacks (if you haven't read already, sorry if you have):- whatreallyhappened.com
- WAR ON TERROR: THE REAL VICTIMS
- Boom, Bust and Echo: A Dark Theory Behind Black Tuesday (This one is a little over the top, but there is some interesting information)
- Asking "Why?"
- Explaining Arab anger
- They can't see why they are hated
- Who did it? Foreign Report presents an alternative view
- When Will We Learn?
- Why we should reject American propaganda
- emperors-clothes.com
- zmag.org, see especially:
But, you can make it clear to other nations that a given government will not be allowed to exist if said government either turns a blind eye to terrorists operating in its borders or, even worse, endorses and supports terrorists.
Like, say, Emmanuel Constant? I wish I had other examples to give... :-( Anyone else? Little help?