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I think that's what the Nazi's said. That's why we have a lot of dead Jews.

It has been done. Here and here are good places to start. You may even look up Bayer warcrimes while you are at it. We don't have humans that can live 300 years and run 10,000 miles at a clip... Wonder no more at the possibilities...

How many Jews had Hitler killed in 1932?

Getting it yet?

Actions derive from ideas, and horrific abominations occur when apathy and excuse-fueled disinterest -- such as was the position of European nations, the Vatican, and the United States during World War II -- overwhelm human protective and preventative instincts.

But go on, keep minimizing the potential and apologizing for those who target minority religions for total destruction. I'm sure many people agree with you, just like during WWII, and that makes it okay... right?

First of all, why are you comparing an unobtrusive RFID chip with a 'tattoo on your forehead'? That's a specious comparison.

Maybe that's exagerating, but what's about something less obtrusive, like a number on a wrist of your hand?
... like the ones used there?

Of course it's political. Science only answers "what can be done?", not "what should be done?" I don't have any problem with the idea there should be limits on what my tax dollars pay for. In any event, Bush doesn't have the power to unilaterally make stem cell research illegal, he just changed the rules under which scientists get money for the research. And no, that's a long way from a prohibition.

Furthermore, the argument that we should allow something unethical to happen in the US so it doesn't happen somewhere else is specious. The Nazis conducted numerous medical experiments on people. Should we have done the same so as not to fall behind?

Yes, I believe this is a link about one of them:
http://www.remember.org/educate/medexp.html

Embryonic stem cell reseach, on the other hand, could help to save people's lives.

Research on Adult Humans, on the other hand, could help save people's lives.

Dear troll,

Please refrain from labeling "sacrifice for the good of the state/human race" as "fascist". As the famous quote goes, "Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of State and corporate power."

The term you are looking for is "pinko commie". Please remember it.

Sincerely,
The International Communist Conspiracy

Oh and finally, torturing prisoners Nazi-style may also cause some foreigners to start hating u.

You've got some reading to do, idiot. Some links:

www.remember.org

www.nizkor.org

In case you don't get it, the Nazis weren't into simulated sex acts. But thanks for playing.

Concentration camp? WTF? I'm sorry, but even if you don't agree with what we are doing at Gitmo (personally I don't have a problem with it -- I do have a problem when they start holding American citizens without being charged but that's another story) calling it a concentration camp is ledious. Do you really think we are using gas chambers and forced labor at Gitmo?

You do a disservice to every holocaust survivor by using that analogy. Gitmo is nothing like a concentration camp. Perhaps you should educate yourself on the subject before you go making such an asinine analogy. Real concentration camps are true examples of pure human evil. Gitmo is nothing of the sort -- whether you agree with what we are doing or not.

Kazys Ciurinskas, a former member of the Lithuanian SS division accused of killing Russian and Lithuanian Jews and POWs, lived in Indiana since the end of the war. Ciurinskas collected a $540 monthly pension from the German government since 1960 while living in the US and being a US citizen. In a 1995-97 United States of America v. Kazys Ciurinskas case the US District Court in Indiana stripped Ciurinskas of US citizenship.

Interestingly, the amount of the pension paid to these former SS by the German government varies based on their final rank in the SS -- higher ranks get a bigger pension. Only recently -- and only after international pressure -- did the German government modify its pension law to strip the pension from war criminals, and even so, there is no requirement that any investigation be made of recipients, nor is there any mechanism to do so, so even known war criminals can continue to collect payments from the German government.

Ironically, some war criminals even receive, in addition to their normal pensions what are called "victim's" pensions -- including those believed to have massacred American soldiers. The following was written in 1997, and thus may be slightly out of date:

The well-respected German military historian Gerhard Schreiber estimates the number of war criminals receiving these extra payments from the German government at 50,000. Wolfgang Lehnigk-Emden, from Ochtendung near Koblenz, is one of the "victims." According to a German federal court, Lehnigk-Emden killed 15 unarmed women and children in Caiazzo near Naples in Italy in October 1943. Because Lehnigk-Emden was later injured (shot in the leg) while trying to escape from an allied POW camp and suffers a mild handicap, he receives an additional "victim" pension.

Another current recipient of victim pensions is the former SS Hauptsturm-fuhrer Wilhelm Mohnke. Mohnke, who was a close confidant of Adolf Hitler and commandant of the "Fuhrerbunker" in Berlin during Hitler's last days. According to the US Department of Justice "there is very substantial evidence pointing to Wilhelm Mohnke's personal involvement in the perpetration of Nazi war crimes" -- for his role in the massacre of 72 American POWs in 1944 during the Battle of the Bulge.

At the same time that Germany provides monthly pension payments to former members of the SS and war criminals, persons forced to be slave laborers for the Nazi regime get far less:

[U]nder an agreement... brokered by the U.S. and German governments, however, survivors of slave labor under the Nazis will be awarded only $790 each for back pay and a lump sum of $7,894 each in recognition of the 55-year delay. Those who were exploited as "forced labor," such as Nazi prisoners working in agriculture, will get a mere $5,000 each.

So, frankly, any Old Folks (Pensioner's) Home in Germany should provide you with plenty of "original Nazis", living comfortably thanks to the largess of the current German government, while their victims -- those who survived at all, those who haven't died while waiting for their reparations -- continue to suffer.

(Of course, I will now be modded down as an anti-German racist, becaus

Als sie die Sozialdemokraten einsperrten,
habe ich geschwiegen;
ich war ja kein Sozialdemokrat.

Als sie die Gewerkschafter holten,
habe ich geschwiegen;
ich war ja kein Gewerkschafter.

Als sie mich holten,
gab es keinen mehr, der protestieren konnte."

Martin Niemoller, 1892-1984
English Translation

Ahem. That concept of politics has been attempted before. Forgive me if I'm not too keen on that modest proposal.

No cheers for you -- Quothz

America wasnt designed to be a plutocracy either. "Why does it matter? It matters because people are idiots"

So are politicians and rich millionaires who control them. How would the world be any different if the idiot masses controlled the world instead of the idiot monarchy/capitalists?

"The people don't know what's best for them." Ah and who does know whats best for them? You sound like Adolph Hitler .I guess you want to live in a 1984 style world, why didnt you move to Iraq where the Iraqis didnt/dont know whats best for them? How about China? They dont even let their people use the net because the gov knows what the people need to see and what they dont.

"Granted, the people they elect often don't either, but the goal is for them to elect people who they trust to make the right choice with all the information. Universal healthcare would fuck our entire healthcare system. Canadians come to the US to work in the medical field because under their socialized health care system they don't make a decent living."

Yes but the rest of us dont make a decent living, Teachers dont make a decent living either but are expected to help every child. Whats your point? Should we end public schools so teachers can all make a decent living? Alot of kids wouldnt be educated at all, our world would be less educated. This is bad for our society.

Having more police isn't socialist, it's just the government doing the job it's been assigned properly.

I dont need the government to provide police, it says in the original plan that there arent supposed to be ANY government police.We are supposed to form militias, We are supposed to form our own police, the government has nothing to do with it. We are supposed to be able to form our own private groups, buy our guns, bombs, and whatever else. Why cant we buy a tank? Why cant we buy military weapons? Why cant we build a nuclear bomb? I mean if the government was supposed to be exactly like the constitution says, what the hell is gun control? What the hell are these laws saying you cant buy certain weapons or use bullet proof vests? Why cant we build nuclear weapons if we want? Why cant we buy tanks, jets, etc?

"Bigger schools falls under the same category. As for afterschool programs, that's slight socialization, but the people who want that probably wouldn't if they had to pay a fair tax rate instead of leeching off of the rest of us."

Consider the fact that people have to work harder and longer hours. Also consider the fact that single parents exist, people divorce, and alot of kids come home to empty houses. Kids need places to go after school, afterschool programs are a MUST! This isnt to benefit a single guy like me, or someone like you, this is to protect and improve society.

" Just because people want something doesn't mean they should get it. If it conflicts with a need, they need to be told to shut the fuck up"

Your needs are not as important as societies need. You dont need after school programs, too bad, the majority of the people in this country do. You dont need universal healthcare? Guess what, most people need this, when people grow old they dont have any way to pay their medical bills, college students dont have any way to pay their medical bills, with the job market getting more competitive we need universal healthcare to keep society from collapsing.

We need better schools and we need to keep our kids safe and off the streets, we do not want to breed criminals and prostitutes, we want to breed lawyers, doctors and scientists, you NEED to keep these kids out of trouble and properly educate them. Kids today no longer grow up in 2 parent homes, this is not the 1950s, soon the majority of kids in this country will come home to an empty house, with no parents, and no supervision. How are we supposed to protect the kids without socialism? These kids need libraries, computer centers, afterschool

And you would be in line for the benefits of Hitler's "research" too? I think not.

The issue here is not "should we do R&D or not", it's about who is human. Benefits can be had from all kinds of things, the question is, are they ethical?

Whatever your view on human life and unborn babies, everone has to aknowledge it's a serious issue. Though obviously not as easy to evaluate, it has the same moral weight as if we were debating the "humanness" of all 8-year-olds. Whatever you decide, you're making a serious call.

For me the question is not what but who we're doing research on, and in the case of stem cell research, we've stepped over the line.

ESR, who is, as you all know a strange mix of valuable open source contributor and condemnable weapons idiot.

...as opposed to a sheep who does whatever Big Brother tells him to do and who expects Big Brother to save his weak ass when the sh*t hits the fan? Given what happened the last time all the guns were rounded up in your country, I would think you would've learned your lesson by now.