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Proposal to Implant RFID Chips in Immigrants
John3 writes "Some people are OK with voluntarily implanting themselves with RFID chips, but how about making RFID implantation mandatory for immigrant and guest workers? VeriChip Corporation chairman Scott Silverman has proposed implanting RFID chips to register workers as they cross the border. According to Silverman, 'We have talked to many people in Washington about using it...' Privacy advocates see this move by VeriChip as a way to introduce their product to Latin America after a lukewarm reception in North America. Would immigrant workers trade their privacy for the opportunity to work in the U.S.? If this type of tracking is enacted, how long before the government decides to start tracking others for various purposes (for example, pedophiles who are released from prison)?"
Yay! Just like dogs! In case they get lost, any vet could read the RFID chip of your favorite immigrant/guest worker, and you could have him or her home in a matter of minutes!
BTW, that was sarcasm... NSA rapes your phones, and now this... makes me sick...
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Shouldn't these guys be using their Spidey tracers to track supervillians instead?
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Before you go all "1984" on our asses, take a moment to stop and realize that this is the company that SELLS THE CHIPS making the proposal, NOT the government. What next, a company that makes bombs approving of a war? Or, shock and horror, a cigarette company talking about how harmless their product is? News flash: Guy who sells product proposes people use product. Film at 11.
This is one of those moves thats so over the top you mentally check for april fools dates. This kind of thing always seems a bit far-fetched in sci-fi movies, let alone modern-day America. I hope some big names kick up a fuss over this, because whatever insane big brother actions the USA takes, our useless govt here in the UK copies soon afterwards.
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If it's not O.K. to do something to the people of one's country, it's inappropriate to do it to foreigners.
Can this be more obvious?
Privacy advocates see this move by VeriChip as a way to introduce their product to Latin America after a lukewarm reception in North America.
Um, um, what? Just a marketing ploy? Just looking to get more market share?
In other news, The Burger King Corporation has finished constructing it's first run of biomechanical overlord drones. These drones have been shown to be capable of both mind control and world domination. Market Analysts see this as a ploy to increase the Whopper's market share, as the Big Mac has rapidly been gaining popularity.
This isn't such a surprising strategy. If you can convince the masses to do something to the least favoured members of society, then you can start to gradually argue the case for doing it to everyone.
All they had to find was the lowest rung on the ladder of american society.
Surprised they didn't go with pedophiles TBH. It's probably because they were already on with the immigrant thing.
When the migrant's work permit expires, would the RFID chip start glowing?
is to drive the ones that legally cross the border underground or to the places where the illegals cross.
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what then? have drone aircraft flying the border strafing illegals with RFID bullets from a machinegun?
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I suddenly wish I were a hacker. How fun would it be to get into somebody's personal info, and change thier name to something obscene, like "Ben Dover"?
I regret spilling a glass of ginger ale on an achritect!
Isn't the problem with immigration that we have today due to those who enter our country illegally? How does this solve that problem? Only those legally immigrating would be tagged. It may even make the problem worse by motivating more people to risk entering the country illegally rather than be tagged if they enter legally.
Obscene violation of human rights: Check
Increased power given to government: Check
Does not help solve any real problem: Check
Sounds like another winner from the people that brought you the Real ID Card and Airline Profiling.
This is NOT a road we want to start down. This is just an excuse to start getting people okay with this (plus an election year anti-immigant pander-fest.) Next it will be, "Chip your kids to keep 'em safe," then "chip yourself and never have to carry credit cards!" then "chip yourself or we lock you up."
All right, I'm taking off my tinfoil hat now, but this is still a bad idea.
- None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. -- John Milton
Or a self exploding device... sheesh, bush and the republicans have fucked the american spirit so much that its very hard to recognize it in the current politcal landscape.
What? Irak aint enough to win the elections, lets fuck the mexicans a bit more (and we know they can take it!) and put THEM as the enemy for this year.
Fuck that. I hope Iran has a nuclear bomb by now so that these petty republicans get their enemy, win the elections again, and stop fucking with us for no other reason than convincing americans that there actually is some kind of "danger", close to their home, for which the republican party is the protection.
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So I take it we would be placing about 100,000,000 chip reading devices all along the U.S. - Mexico border?
Okay, so we use them to track humans after Homeland Security said using RFIDs to track humans is a bad idea. Brilliant!
Are we surprised that the guy selling the chips to be implanted is suggesting we use them? SHOCK! I bet he heard how there were millions of aliens here in the USA and thought, "boy, how about we chip them with my product! I'd make a fortune!" I bet a lot of companies have solutions for the immigration problem that involve buying their product. Way to catch on a buzzword, buddy!
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They start 'branding' people.
Natural, as all they know about the outside world can be summarized as ; 'cows'
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I think they should track pedophiles any way feasable.
I'm not so much on the guest / immigrant worker part of this, but chipping a pedophile isn't anywhere close to the same catagory.
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Invasion of privacy can't get much more severe than having a goddamn computer chip implanted under your skin.
"I have been marked once, my dear and let me assure you, no needle shall ever touch my skin again."
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They are lucky to be here. Implant all sexual predators and ex-felons too.
This is NOT a privacy issue ... These people's location, and place of work is already known as is when and how they cross the border... This is actually a human RIGHTS issue... Why should someone force you or even ask you to put an electronic device under your skin? The human body, and what you choose to do with it is your choice, that is an absolutely fundamental freedom ... It is *the* fundamental freedom!
Please excuse the expression but I'll have an RFID implantation over my dead body.
For a variety of reasons, I have been considering starting visa proceedings so I can go over, work, and live with my GF in the States. However, if they want to implant a tracking chip in me, I hate to say it, but that's a dealbreaker.
I love my GF more than anything but if this becomes the case she should come up to Canada to live with me.
That said, of course, I seriously doubt this will come to pass, at least not in the next few years. I mean, the idea's coming from the CEO of an RFID manufacturer.
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Anyone who would be willing to give up their freedom (by accepting one of these implants in order to get a job) obviously doesn't understand the ideals that America stands for. If such a person doesn't understand the basic foundation of American culture, how are they supposed to fit in? How are they to adapt to an American way of life, if they're so readily willing to debase the foundation of American society?
Perhaps anyone willing to give up their freedoms so readily shouldn't be allowed into America. They obviously don't understand what it means to be American, and thus likely won't ever fit in well with society at large.
A few states have already begun tracking pedophiles via GPS - see this Fox News story about it.
FTFA -
"Many states are initiating programs that track registered sex offenders using Global Positioning Satellites, or GPS, sometimes for life. GPS can track the exact location of the offenders at all times, making it easier for law enforcement to ensure that they're abiding with the terms of their release.
It sounds like an efficient system: Authorities can keep track of dangerous sex offenders without having to keep them in prison at taxpayers' expense."
While I'm not defeding pedophiles (surely it's painted that way - "If you don't want GPS on pedos, then you're with them!"), where do we go next? GPS tracking for drug offenses? DUI? And what happens when people can track these GPS recievers? Scary stuff - what ever happened to paying your debt to society once you got out of jail?
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How long until someone kidnaps chipped people to steal the chips? Implant stolen chips for the highest bidder.
Seems like a fair trade off for the ability to get free healthcare and education while not being forced to take part in the tax code that we citizens are burdened with. This is a good implmentation of "you can't get anything for free"
I think we should give them the option of, oh, how about applying for citizenship or paying full taxes. There's your A or B choice.
First we make them carry an electronic ID, and now we are looking at imbedding it. When does the far-away camps come in? Oh wait.....
My one question is, why are these republicans not in hurry to get ID and RFID chips for themselves? After all, everybody in congress and the whitehouse should get one to get in and out, as well as give up their fingerprint and DNA to show us how it is done.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
First of all, any comments made to a story that's at all immigration related should be immune to flame bait.
Okay, with that said. Immigrants are still people. You don't just chip them and turn them into an object. They deserve humanity rights as well as any person on Earth.
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Clearly we should have elected the pirates instead.
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We know what bombs are and what they do to people.
Now we are talking about a company that makes RFID chips. What are RFID chips and what do they do? Are they like a bar code that is used to track products in a store? Or are they like the serial number tattoos that the Nazis used to track people and process them appropriately?
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Sure, let's go ahead and tag immigrants. And pedophiles. And murderers. And rapists. Any got a problem with that? (I'm going to ignore the fact that pedphiles were the next logical step after immigrants for the time being...)
Ok, how about hackers? Jaywalkers? IP pirates? Yes, I know the whole "Slippery slope" argument is technically a fallacy, but when you're dealing with the government, it tends to be the norm. When has the gov't ever been happy with a limit on their power once a particular "right" is stripped away?
I think we all need to agree that nobody needs to be "tagged" for any reason. We have a right to have our identity hidden unless we have performed actions which forfeit this right. You have the right to refuse to show identification to a law enforcement officer if they do not have probable cause. (Before I get lots of cries of foul, Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial Dist. Court of Nev. still requires "suspicious activity") All that goes out the window though if all an officer has to do is wave a wand at you.
I propose that we enact legislation to track all politicians who hold governmental offices. That way we can make sure that they aren't up to no good.
Slimy Politician: This new energy policy was not influenced by the oil industry.
Citizen/Reporter: Then why does your location log indicate you visited the major oil companies' headquarters while preparing the legislation?
Slimy Politician: Umm...
Why are people actually debating the issue of freely allowing Mexican immigrants into the US? Have you guys/gals actually BEEN into Mexico and seen a majority of the places and people there? It is dirty, trash everywhere ... crime is rampant and people don't care about anyone.
... I for one would NOT want Arizona to be another Nogales or anything EVEN CLOSE. Are we to believe that just because we let them into the country ... they would respect THIS COUNTRY and keep everything clean and abide by our laws when they can't do the same in THEIR country?
... but HAVE YOU GUYS/GALS EVEN BEEN TO MEXICO?
... illegal. Either deport them or shoot them on the spot, but don't take my money from taxes to keep them in OUR jails.
If we were to allow them to migrate into the US, wouldnt it be sad for that to happen to the southern US states? I mean
I'm not saying that Americans are clean for the most part
I think that all illegal immigrants should be treated as just that
Some may feel that this isn't really scary as it is a corporation making the proposal not the government. But I feel that it is very disturbing that anyone would suggest this. What next, do regress to placing brand marks on peoples foreheads. Do we now start putting detectors in business door ways and dening access to those so implanted. This is very disturbing and most troubling. To give up a strangers writes is to ultimately give up our own.!
I say "no" to tracking immigrants, since they are typically hard-working, decent people, and tracking them is creepy.
Pedophiles, on the other hand, deserve little more than a bullet in the head. I say "yes" to tracking those twisted freaks.
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RFID implants can be used for good. To fight fire sometimes one must use fire. I think what we need is a "little brother" scenario.
What we should do is chip our politicians. I think constituents shoud be able to see where they are and what they are doing during their "hours of operation".
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my wife is an immigrant, half of my family are immigrants; they're people just like you and me. Tagging them like an animal is inhuman, regardless of the practical outcome there are things we simply do not do in a civilized society; we don't kill our elderly after they're no longer useful, we don't put children our children to work, instead we put them into free schools.
Any one with half a brain and half a reason would just have the thing removed anyway. All this will do is treat regular people with indignity; the criminals will work around it.
...then, in this order:
(1) suspected terrorists
(2) suspected spies
(3) convicted felons
(4) criminal defendants
(5) pedophiles
(6) sex offenders
(7) welfare recipients
(8) homosexuals
(9) negroes
(10) Jews
(11) terrorists (i.e., anyone left who isn't white and doesn't love Jesus Christ)
This isn't about legal immigrants. Nobody cares about legal immigrants. It's illegal immigrants everyone is worked up about. And, of course, the ones who enter the country illegally won't be affected by this proposal at all.
In order to find and track illegal immigrants with RFID chips, we would have to chip everyone else, from birth. Which will be the next proposal, or the one after that.
And then it just might be time to stand a few politicians against the wall.
This company has been known to be associated with April Fool's type hoaxes and controversy... "Seattle officials have introduced "Safe Harbors." An Orwellian phrase. Many homeless will not get a home, but they will be tagged and surveilled as they slog through the labyrinth of services and shelters. Safe Harbors will be a component in the federal Homeless Management Information System (HMIS). Participation is not mandatory. But programs that choose not to participate in the monitoring of misery will lose funding. Abuses are certain to arise. source But they also have some pretty nifty ideas. For example, the company planned to work with DoD on replacing dogtags with these chips. One of the benefits is that they will be able to track soldiers' movements and vitality statistics... "Is the soldier alive, what is his temperature, etc."
There are also security flaws with the chips... Unauthorized persons can access information on the chip, according to Mr. Swire, which exacerbates the potential for improper use of medical data. Similar problems exist with new biometric passports, because the biometric information is broadcast "in the clear" rather than in encrypted formats that avoid transmitting the information to unauthorized readers. source Also at issues was the possibility of third party vendors accessing information off those chips (remember its RFID based).
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How about, we hook up the Texas Border Webcam with the Hunting Webcam but shoot RFID chips instead.
That way we are having fun, and at the same time allowing people into the US legally!
Here's a head up to the NSA and anyone else reading this, RFID implants aren't going to work! The security is weak, the tracking implications make all of us sick, and who is going to want to implant buggy hardware into themselves?
Let me tell you what, fuck that upgrade twice a month where we all go in for surgery (though I'm sure the Medical world wouldn't mind). On top of these reasons, I think that it's just plain wrong.
Way too many books written about technology being used to control people that are all becoming very plausible.
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How long before back-alley labs start specializing in implant removal and/or alteration? RFID chips are notoriously easy to tinker with ... what's to stop people from a) having their chips removed, b) inserting their own chip so that they're 'legal', or c) modifying their chip so that their identity is changed?
"what ever happened to paying your debt to society once you got out of jail?"
The general attitude in society is "once a thief, always a thief. Seriously, a few of the people I know would just like to put convicted felons away for life or just execute them and have done with it. I disagree with this, of course, but then, that's just me.
let see, 20 million migrants. $20 per chip. $400 Million in taxpayer money. Maybe if we make things so unbearable for people in this country, there won't be a reason to sneak in.
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That definitely would make a difference. Especially in regard to privacy, net neutrality and lives lost in iraq.
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Just toll them as they come and go.
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What they learned from Guantanamo bay is that no matter how inappropriate it would have been to do it to members of our own country, they can 100% get away with doing it to foreigners.
BTW, you're an idiot.
Umm...are we not a sovereign country? Are we not entitled to decide who we let into this country as well as the stipulations required for entry. We have the most relaxed immigration policies of any modern country. THERE IS NO NEED TO SNEAK IN.
We let people in and give them money to start businesses while people born here can't even get a decent primary education. We pay foreigners to attend our universities while most Americans are in debt up to their eyeballs for a basic 4-year degree and about to get royally screwed on student loan interest rates.
I'm tired of all the bleeding hearts that think we should let immigrant anarchy rule. If you're so anxious to let people in, let them come take over your home without your permission. Let's how welcoming you really are.
I'm also tired of a government that doesn't enforce it's own friggin immigration laws. We already gave millions of ILLEGAL ALIENS amnesty once and it did no good. The idea that we will give amnesty one again...in return for payment of fines and back taxes is beyond absurd.
1) Where is the incentive? Many illegals lead a perfectly fine life here. We don't enforce our immigration laws, nor will we ever do so. Why would they bother to come out of hiding and dish up some dough?
2) Who is going to collect said payments?
People say that we don't have the resources to round up and deport illegals. How in the heck can we collect anything from them?? Get real.
I understand the war on terror, but it's time for Bush to get his head out of his arse and stop worrying about poppycockery like gay marriage and start taking care of business. The Senate better get their sh*t together as well.
Lets ask Silverman about to look up "Dignity" in the dictionary.
Well, Goodness, it IS still in the dictionary. And not just the PETA dictionary, it's in the real life HUMANS dictionary. In case he's reading, I'll make it easy for him.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=dignity
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If a baby duck is a "duckling," why would anyone want to eat "dumplings?"
Watch democrats turn this into a campaing issue by advocating a constitutional ammendment banning chipping. I know I would.
There was another country not very long ago that tagged their "immigrants" so as to keep track of them... Chips were not very practical to use back then, so they just tattooed numbers on their forearms.
This means, the sooner we get immigrants tracked we can start working on pedofiles?? I'm all for it! Then we can start working on all sex and violent crime offenders! Woot!
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Americans. Stand up. It is your freedom on the line next.
It is a never-ending amazement how shallow the line of reasoning of some people is. Some company is trying to sell RFID chips, proposes a possible use, and now it's time to take up arms against our cowboy president. The real danger to America is people who can't think 5 seconds beyond their blind political agenda.
Would immigrant workers trade their privacy for the opportunity to work in the U.S.?
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No. I, for one, would be leaving.
Granted, I am here as a spouse of an American citizen and working simply because of that, not because I simply came for work.
We're in California because she was badly injured in a car accident and her injuries hurt her less in that climate (I know, another one of those selfish immigrants selfishly supporting your disabled citizens so they don't need to claim benefits - it shouldn't be allowed!). But, should any government expect to implant chips in my body, tattoo a series of numbers on my wrist or demand I wear a Star Of David, in the name of "administrative tracking", I'm sure as hell not staying. We gave that a shot in Europe back in the 30s and 40s - it wasn't too popular. Much as I'd hate putting my wife through the physical pain associated with what the British climate does to her injuries, America can do without a highly skilled and heavily in demand science worker. And then everyone who remains can post on Slashdot lamenting how, once all of those workers leave, America's strangely falling even further behind in the sciences.
I'm sorry but it's just not worth starting down that slippery slope to keep a job. I can earn just as well back in Europe and not go down that slope. Forgetting about my wife's specific case, the only people who'll really lose out are the American citizens whose country continues to fall further behind (don't worry, I'm sure your president will authorize borrowing even more to make up for it). So, granted I don't speak for all immigrants (given I have blonde hair, blue eyes, white skin, and the ability to legally work anywhere in Europe which means most Americans don't think of me when justifying their racism in the name of immigration control) but I am at least one immigrant who'd happily sacrifice living in the states for avoiding a path with disturbing similarities to something the Nazi's (with the help of another U.S. business, IBM, tried back in the 40's).
And, yes, this was just one long post to repeatedly hammer home on Slashdot that I have a wife. Some guys'll do anything to show off.
Since the INS cant keep track, of well anyone at all, what makes these "representatives" think this would do any good.
Ill ask the question apparently no one else bothered to ask in this proposal.
What is the point? what purpose will it serve.
None, thats exactly what I thought.
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"Would immigrant workers trade their privacy for the opportunity to work in the U.S.?" Yes, they would trade just about anything to get in the US, if they are willing to risk death in the Arizona desert. Hundreds of illegal immigrants die each year of dehydration, would they be willing to lose a little privacy for the chance to work in America? Yes.
That would be bad.
And messy.
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... if they allow the chips to be injected as part of a 45ACP slug.
Think about how much time and energy they could save... you can chip someone from 100' away...
Wait, this isn't April Fools' Day?
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I actually think it's one of the few applications that make sense for GPS/RFID tracking -- pedophiles. There are a number of good reasons for this -- most centered on the inability of pedophiles to get within a certain distance of schools/other places with small children. You don't "cure" or "rehabilitate" pedophiles -- you can only hope to contain them. GPS ankle bracelets work great for that. They are also common for people under house arrest -- another useful application.
/. is just silly sometimes (much like this idea).
I love all the hyperbole on slashdot. Makes it interesting (even if most of it is complete BS).
Again -- statement is from a CEO who's company sells these products -- NOT THE US GOVERNMENT. I don't think this would ever happen to immigrant/guest workers because (as others have stated quite well) -- it just doens't make sense, provide enough of a benefit, and incourages illegal immigration (enough of a problem already).
Putting RFID tags in visas is NO WHERE CLOSE TO THE SAME THING.
Oh, and they're already trying to put these things in kids. They ARE putting them in pets. I've also heard the market in latin and south america has been growing for this because of the large amount of kidnappings that occur there.
Immigrants are the buzzword right now (well -- ILLEGAL immigrants, unless you're in the media and you don't know the difference), and this guys is just trying to capitalize.
Oh, and "human rights violation"? Give me a break. Purely conjecture (since it doesn't exist), but this as proposed (by the CEO) is "voluntary" isn't it? Get it or don't get in? How's that a human rights violation? How many coutries do you have to get a shot before you get in? Same thing, just this shot can track you!
Look, I'm not for it (for immigrants) or implanting RFID tags in anyone, but the knee-jerk reaction to RFID on
First of all, I'd like to assert that in my option implanting tracking device into humans is a very sick idea in general.
Now to the subject. Being immigrant myself, I don't see any problem for the government to make whatever rules they want to apply for new immigrants and temporary workers. Before coming to Canada, I checked all the requirements and obligations that I take. It is a personal choice to immigrate to that country or not. If you don't like the rules, don't come. It is very simple. As long as the rules are not applied to the people who already came, I don't see any problem to require whatever they want to require.
So I don't understand how come people come to new place and start complaining that some immigration rules are not fair. Just don't come, stay were you are. Or go to a different place.
I don't understand why US goverment can't make new rules if they think they are neccesary. You don't like it, don't immigrate to US. If the rules will be that bad, that no sane man will decide to immigrate, they will change the rules.
Yes, another Fascist idea from the Great Satan States of America. This would just start an underground industry specialising in removal of such chips. If you don't like migrant workers, why not change your Foreign Policy so that you don't back terrible regimes in the countries that these workers migrate from.
America military aid peaked at the greatest intensity of the genocide in most of the worst regimes in recent history, and these lunatic regimes only became 'problems' for America when they disobeyed orders from Washington:
Saddam Hussein - put in power by the United States (Kurds, Iraqi tribes, Iranians: gassing, chemical warfare. He also attacked a US ship and got away with it, when he was Washington's butcher - a privilege only otherwise enjoyed by Israel)
General Pinochet
Pol Pot
Henry Kissinger (Vietnam, illegal bombing of Cambodia and Laos. Probably the most evil international terrorist still free today)
Israel - apertheid ethnic cleanser with nuclear weapons (Palestine, Lebanon, destabilising and polarising influence on the whole middle east...)
General Suharto (East Timor, Indonesia)
Kosovo
Iraq (the death of 3.5 million Iraqi children as a result of US sanctions - in the words of terrorist American lunatic Madeline Albright, 'A price worth paying')
Columbia (various militias and death squads)
Kosovo
Sudan (highlihts include when the US wiped out half the pharmecutical supplies in the country. If someone did that in America, what would happen?)
Manuel Noriega
I could go on listing the American puppets, and the corresponding attrocities that result from US foreign policy, but I shall spare the poor ashamed Americans more humiliation. America has slaughtered more innocent people than any other regime in recent history, and continues to carry out vicious acts of evil on a daily basis (todays notably being a massacre in Iraq). I understand there is little most Americans can do as silent accomplices to the insane acts of the crazed one party dictatorship that rules their country with impunity, and I genuinely feel sorry for those who have to live in a country where they can even consider microchipping other human beings. Americans need to insist on the same basic human rights that any civilised country would expect, and end their attempts to destroy any alternative to pandering to American Imperial interests. The US will bankrupt itself like so many other empires have done if it continues on its present course, and that can't be good for any of us, even if it does end the acts of terror committed by madmen like Bush. Eternal war is not sustainable.
Very funny. A nice Orwellianesque joke. The topic is missing the foot icon, btw. ...what do you mean "they're serious"?
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Lets use the border-cams and remote-hunting to shoot RF-ID tags at illegals as the cross into the country. Then, we'll just get the RF-ID readers in Walmart to go off when an illegal enters and post INS agents in the stores. Heck, they can even help bag your groceries.
Wow I mean wow ... I find it hard to imagine how someone can think that this is a good idea, theres going too far and theres this
I feel ill
Ethics and morality aside, which are being much discussed in other topics, what problem does embedded RFIDs really solve here? RFIDs are extremely low distance information responders. They would not let anyone track down someone to their location. This means that RFIDs embedded in migrant workers serves no purpose besides embedding 'papers' on them, which they could remove just as they could lose papers, though it is probably in their best interest if legitimate to keep their papers on them.
Therefore, all this does is attempt to solve an already solved simple problem (identification papers) in an overly complex and expensive way.
Also, people do not seem to understand the difference between GPS, active transponders, and RFID. Embarrassingly, even IBM doesn't have a clue even though it wants to sell RFID solutions. I cite a commercial where a truck is notified it is off course in the middle of a desert as an advertisement for RFID solutions.
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I find it funny that noone has yet mentioned the "mark of the beast" in context with this story:# Ethical_.26_Spiritual_Issues
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Why not just chip everyone and lets get it over with already.
and your politicians who support wars - seem to receive a lot of money from defence contrators.
Cigarette companies still seem to be allowed to sell a product that is both addictive and dangerous - and raise a load of tax money for the government
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a sharp knife. And a bit of tequila.
RFID implants are a monumentally stupid idea.
How much time and effort are we going to expend trying to create a caste system in America? Some people really do hate freedom.
Doesn't that make them look like any other US Citizen?
1) Get chipped.
2) Cross the border.
3) Have chip removed.
4) Profit!
http://www.globalexchange.org/countries/americas/c olombia/3927.html
Not just the CEO of a company. The Colombian president offered to microchip travelers to the US. He did not say it in public -- but made the proposal in a conversation with a US senator, who then revealed the story.
RFID style implants are just useful for people that can't be bothered carrying a wallet. Tumbler of scotch, craft knife and tweezers and you can de-RFID yourself if you want.
This whole idea seems completely nuts.
.. and working here in the US in the technology sector. I consider myself quite valuable to my company and love working here, but would not hesitate to leave if the US government started mandating implants for immigrant and/or guest workers. What the hell is going on? I come to this country legally, I contribute to the economy, I pay my taxes, and now some company is lobbying the goverment to stick a chip in my arm? Fuck you, VeriChip. For the record, as a guest worker who was originally enthralled with the prospect of working here I am now dismayed with the Government of this country. The DMCA, the Patriot act, the 'WMD' war in Iraq, the NSA spying, the 'State secrets' defense, the complete lawlessness of the Bush administration despite the attrocious approval ratings, and the lack of retaliation from the people of this country to defend the basic rights in their constitution is, in my view, steadily degrading everything that I once viewed to be so great about the US. Chipping guest workers will be several steps too far for me. The way things are going in a couple of years I may have to consider moving to China...
That said, I don't think this should be enacted for immigrants. This is a REALLY stupid idea and the slope is very slippery.
That said, I take offense at this: "If this type of tracking is enacted, how long before the government decides to start tracking others for various purposes (for example, pedophiles who are released from prison)?" If you are going to make a "who's next" argument then do it again a group that is more reasonable like parolees. That would harm (relatively) innocent people who just made one mistake and might be turning their lives around. Or maybe dead-beat dads. Or people with too many unpaid parking tickets.
Then there are pedophiles. They lose their rights. I would support a mandatory death penalty upon conviction. There are already at least 4 or 5 states that have a death penalty option for repeat sex offenders. I don't care if we chip 'em, it'd be a good idea. Public hangings would be a good idea. Pedophiles deserve no remorse, they tore that card up when they harmed a child.
I think this idea is stupid, I'd vote against it in a heartbeat. But don't minimize the horror of pedophiles. If there was a group that we could legally test this kind of stuff on, they would be good candidates.
Comment forecast: Bits of genius surrounded by a sea of mediocrity.
Great, watch for needle panics to overthrow el chupacabra for #1 Central American urban legend.
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
They have senators on their board of directors. Be very scared of this company. What happens for upgrades? Surgery? Ugh.
On the one hand, duh, yeah, and that was my first thought too. Anyone who's ever heard the gun lobby arguments about new laws punishing legitimate hunters while making no difference to criminals should be livid with this idea, shouldn't they?
Of course, the real problem we have with integration is the way it gets used as a political "wedge issue" by politicians who want to divide and conquer us using our fear of immigrants and general xenophobia. Last time around the Republican party used gay marriage amendments; this year our election year B.S. was apparently supposed to be about those dirty immigrants swarthily overwhelming our nation. (Did someone just pass an English as the official language bill, too? Brave patriotism, craven-politician-style.) So far the strategy seems to have backfired on the Republicans, who are turning on each other.
In that sense this suggestion is actually part of the problem -- a company stepping in trying to exploit the fearful politics -- and has nothing whatsoever to do with any solution to... whatever the crisis is. As you say, even by the internal logic of "those horrible immigrants are overrunning us," it doesn't make any sense.
"Fundamentalism" isn't about divine morality. It's about human authority.
Someone apologized on this page for mis-quoting Niemöller but the principle is the same. Chipping people in exchange for the right to work is to succumb to a significant component of was obviously wrong with society in the movie, Gattaca.
Someone, please, shut VeriChip up before the really repressive countries in the world get hold of their technology and decide that it's just one more tool to manage what would otherwise be unruly populations. The good news is that with responsible government, mandatory chipping is still pretty unlikely. But as government gets less responsive...
The discourse is going exactly the way you stated it but it also includes,
"Chip yourself so if you forget what your meds are someone else can figure it out for you."
"What was a 'chip' again?"
"Just do it, it's for the best."
"Oh. Okay."
cheers...ank
Still hoping for Gentle Treatment...
How about just good old human dignity, eh?
I might be a 'guest worker' in the US soon, during my grad degree. And if someone tries to plant an RFID in me I will
A) Point out that it can be cracked
B) Plant something else, somewhere else, in THEM.
You just dont want to go the whole hog and chip 11 million illgal immigrants. As a pilot project let us chip the executives of these RFID Chip making companies.
sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
I fall right into the category they are referring to - I'm a legal alian in the US, with a work visa. For me, the decision is very simple to make: I will leave and give it no second thought.
I know some people will prefer to stay and make what is in their country top dollar. And this is the kind of people who send their money back to their home countries rather than spend it in the US.
-- Arik
Yes, then there are those of us who can see beyond it. Sadly, there are many ppl in /. and other places that defend their parties action by wrapping themselves in terrorism, the flag, false logic, and FUD.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
Huh. I wonder how long after this we'd see some racist nutbar design a new, safer generation of landmines designed to explode only in the presence of those darn job-stealin' guest workers.
(Apologies to that guy from RISKS digest who had this idea upon hearing that the DoD was going to start chipping all of its assets...)
Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
I kinda liked the exploding neck collar idea first proposed in the Coneheads movie. Not for the legal immigrants, mind you, but for the illegal ones we catch. Just toss on an exlpoding neck collar that's activated by a wire at the border and they'll think twice about coming back across.
The hell with that sissy chip crap.
I hear that Halliburton has developed a new Stun Collar!!
Isay we make every visitor and non citizen wear one.
It will provide constant position info, along with having a video camera and microphone.
And if they get unruly, police can hit the stun setting!
Oh, and it will explode if they try and take it off!!
Or if you dont charge the batteries in time.
Of if you get it wet...
Now thats American inginuity at work!!!
And the best part, it will play the official theme music of America at all times.
Right now it only plays the musak version of "coming to America" but they are working on adding other exciting Musak titles.
And what visitor wouldnt enjoy hearing that endlessly looped!
If this company bribes the right politicians, and promises some kind of benefit to a given congressman's state, then it WILL happen.
Provided the congresscritter believes the public won't get too freaked out by the results. The folks in Congress are still elected. Also, there are plenty of other private interests that are likely opposed to RFID tagging of immigrants. After all, business lobbies are already putting up a fight against more restrictive immigration controls.
For every private interest or public interest group in favor of particular legislation, there are almost always some on the other side fighting vigorously for their interests. While immigrants don't have a strong lobby, big business makes a buttload of money off them, and don't want to see that revenue stream disappear.
Read the EFF's Fair Use FAQ
RFID collars with a small shaped charge would be a much better idea. Screw up bad enough and offwith the head.
Let's see, who do I want to be today? Gonzales... yeah....
---- Teach Peace. It's Cheaper Than War.
You do realize that slippery slope argument, as you are using it, is a textbook logical fallacy, right? Equating RFID cards and RFID implants because one "could lead" to the other is identical to the right-wing trying to put controls on the internet because if "could lead" to child porn. It's terrible logic.
After calming down from my apoplectic seizure after reading the blurb, all I can say is, WTH!!!!! How is it possible that true Conservatives would even allow this nonsense to see the light of day?
I know this is a rhetorical question but I have to ask it anyway: whatever happened to laissez-faire and keeping the big, bad government out of our lives?
No, we shouldn't be tagging immigrants. Or anyone else. Most of my family were immigrants and most came from a country which had a long run of tagging certain people and they got called on it. But now, somehow in the twisted mind of american right-wing neo-fascists, it's now ok to tag people? WTF????
Why not just get it over with and require different people to carry different ID cards. You know, like Israel, Iran, and Syria do and the former Soviet Union did. While we're at it, we can have these same people have different license plates so the police can see at a glance what group is drving the car and make the decision whether or not to pull over the car so they can rummage through the occupants and their possessions to see if they're doing anything wrong.
Hey, I have an idea. Why don't we just have various groups wear colored symbols on their clothes. That way everyone will know who is who.
We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower
Yes, I will happily get an RFID chip implant if the CEO of the company selling the chips gets an ANAL implant first.
What's stopping the person from just pulling the chip out?
I know it's probably pretty far in your $LIMB but still, if it means you can stay the US, "a little bit of pain never hurt anyone."
j^2
Gov Jim Doyle just signed a bill into law making it ILLEGAL in the state of Wisconsin to have legislation which makes RFID implants mandatory.
-Rick
"Most people in the U.S. wouldn't know they live in a tyrannical state if it walked up and grabbed their junk." - MyFirs
Expect a big protest from immigrants. Since the majority are of the catholic religion, they will look at this as Satans mark on their bodies. If they think of it this way, they may decide not to come to the USA.
This is just another scam to try and get Americans to agree to more invaders in the country. Plus, the problem is that if they breed in-country, the babies are still considered citizens.(Although constitutionally, they don't have to be.)
Don't fall for it! The only solution is deportation and a secure border!
"Second, it's voluntary. You don't want to get chipped, you don't have to"
its always voluntary at first..
Thats the way things work. you come out w/ some horrible idea and then scale it back to something the public can swallow b/c its not that bad or voluntary.
once its in the books you simply evolve it to your original needs.
go look at the history of social security. Critics said it could be used to track and identify you to which the government countered we would NEVER do that.
hummmm
Smells like someone's making Frog Soup!
We may not imagine how our lives could be more frustrating and complex—but Congress can. – Cullen Hightower
This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard ... why don't purpose to replace the Status of Liberty with the giant RDIF chips.
It all sounds justified and reasonable until other countries begin requiring RFID tags for tourists from the USA. Then we'll REALLY see how everybody feels about it.
Yes, it would be a slippery slope, if this was the only incidence of this kind.
However during the course of this adminstration, there have been endless proposals put forward, laws passed, practices applied not only in u.s., but worldwide, that bars the freedom gradually and reduces people to slave labor step by step. This text box im typing is not probably wide enough to list all the stuff of that sort.
This is an important time for the americans.
If they fail to see that they are gradually being herded to be slave labor, they will end up being so.
What one would expect to understand the situation anyways ? Will the adminstration come up and declare "it is a kingdom now, and all citizens are now subjects, and their rights are comparable to serfs" ? they wont do that. they cant. instead, they can gradually make it so.
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Just great. Since people in the first world seem to (somewhat) value their privacy and personal freedoms, let's try to get our product installed in those who are less fortunate and don't have a voice to complain.
From what I understand, some immigrants will even sell some of their organs for a chance at citizenship / not being deported. That doesn't make either one of these things right.
At least if you sell a kidney, they can't electronically track you down later as a result.
I certainly won't argue with the fact that most pedophiles come from within the family, but all you have to do is run a quick "Megan's Law" search of your zip code to see the number of sex offenders in you area. Try it. See how many pop up. Now out of the few hundred you see within a few miles of your house, how many are pedophiles? Have kids? Want to know where these guys are?
Your assert much in your argument. You have nothing to support there is a difference between a pedophile that molest someone in their family vs an outsider. Is there a difference? Seems like a matter of convenience to me.
As someone who recently found out their late grandfather molested my own mother -- and he was an elementary school principal -- it shudders me to think of the possible consequences. Molesting your own kids wasn't even a jail time offense until the late 80s.
I'll repeat -- pedophiles are not "cured". They are only contained. We have laws that require them to remain so far from public places where kids stay (not open for debate). GPS tracking ensures this. Can you think of another way? Do you REALLY think that's wrong?
If this type of tracking is enacted, how long before the government decides to start tracking others for various purposes (for example, pedophiles who are released from prison)?
And the problem with tracking pedophiles is...?2'nd to last paragraph
And former secretary of Health and Human Services Tommy Thompson recently volunteered to have a "VeriChip" RFID tag inserted into his body, to promote the product for use in storing medical records. Thompson is also a board member of Applied Digital, the company making VeriChips.
...the land of the chipped.
I wholeheartedly support this proposition. How can all of you people overlook the obvious benefits? First of all, this would spell end on the war on terror. As the terrorists would no longer be "jealous of our freedom", they obviously would stop targetting Americans.
Secondly, as a European, I'd be happy if never again had to listen Americans spouting their usual crap about how free they are.
Frankly, I fail to see what's the bad side of this! Do I hear the baby eagle cry somewhere...nah, must be the wind.
If a wacko had said that, there would be nothing to be preocuppied with.
The fact that it is the chairman of a big corporation, someone probably neither stupid nor crazy, who makes such a public proposal, thinking that it will not harm him (or even that it is in his interest) demonstrates that the standards of human rights, respect for others, freedom, anything that matters to found a society have collapsed tremendously.
This is actually chocking.
--Go Debian!
Unless they plan to stick the tag so far up the immigrant's ass that he's got no chance of finding it these things would be dug out and thrown in the bin before the skin healed over from implanting it.
So, they implant livestock, then pets, then immigrants, then convicts, and then they're just going to stop? The logical next step is to implant everyone for the purpose of identification and commerce. We've already heard of proposals to do this so that people can buy things by just waiving their hand over a scanner, rather than swiping a credit card. Doesn't anyone think this is a bit disturbingly similar to the biblical "mark of the beast"? I'm not even a religious nut, but the "coincidences" are hard to ignore.
I think that Mexican guest workers implanted with RFID chips will result in US citizen guest workers being implanted with RFID chips. And I think that this will make US citizens cranky.
I'm learning a language right now and my teacher was telling my class with great glee how US citizens at the border/airports of her country are waiting in enormous lines to get fingerprinted because citizens of her country are required to do the same at US borders and airports.
Am I the only one who finds it slightly disturbing that all of these new proposed bills and laws seem to come directly out of books like Orwell's 1984, Soylent Green, Gattaca?
What's the difference between a chip under the arm, and a tattoo on the arm for the purposes of "marking" people? How are we any better than them, for suggesting it?
Note to the current administration: These were not meant to be scripts or a HOWTO on how to run a government, these were meant to be a warning about how things can (and probably will) turn out if you take the wrong path.
Oh, and p.s., your time and chances to screw up this country even more, are up. Game over. Thanks for playing, but now its our turn.
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or a rat remote control chip:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/05/0
Oh well, what the hell...
every traveller too should be implanted with the chip... and i mean both incoming and outgoing so the next time you come to my country you spend an huor getting an RFID implanted into yuou and then when you leave you can remove it or keep it... oh yeah and i mean anywhere you go so teh next time you back up europe you get teh ten chips to show for it... man ......
You have nothing to support there is a difference between a pedophile that molest someone in their family vs an outsider. Is there a difference? Seems like a matter of convenience to me.
From the GP: "the research suggests that that type of pedophile is very unlikely to change into the kind that molests outside of the family." If it is purely a matter of convenience, as you suggest, then why does the research even make a distinction and why do we not see regular reports of offenders who start off with molesting family members, then move on to the general public?
I'll repeat -- pedophiles are not "cured". They are only contained.
Of course. Nothing can be done to rehabilitate them, which is why molestation has a much lower rate of recidivism than murder, rape, or pretty much any other major felony. (And yet sex offenders are branded for life, while murderers - who, I repeat, are more likely to do it again - can "pay their debt to society" and move on with their lives...)
Dear US politicians, immigrants are human beings as well. My brother comes this fall to study in a US university, and this proposal is hummilating to him and any visitor to country.
They are definitely crossing a line here, and you can bet the rest of the world (sheesh, can you imagine that, we have an opinion) will not take this lightly.
Terrible idea to implant people with very hackable chips...
RFID vulnerable to virus infection
RFID Real Hacking Scenarios
Cellphone Could Crack RFID
Who says the Bible isn't true.
Implanting immigrants with chips as they enter the country? That's just disturbing. If only there was some way for these people to get into the country while avoiding authorities...
-- dR.fuZZo
this is the XXI century. Individuals have rights. Such a measure will put americans at the same level as nazis.
It's a crime against humanity.
They should stop doing sci/fi anti-utopia noir flicks. Recent government ideas come straight from the Hollywood.
I do not believe in karma. "Funny"=-6. Do good and forbid evil. Yours, Oft-Offtopic Flamebaiting Troll.
Learn to differentiate between a logical debate and a rational debate someday instead of just trying to randomly identify things based on what other slashdotters told you. I really, really, REALLY freaking hate how the extent of everyone's debate skill around here is entirely centered around what terms they used from other Slashdotters who were also probably misusing them.
Slippery slopes are invalid logical arguments because it is illogical to argue that an outcome is INEVITABLE based on VARIABLE input in the intermediate steps.
Since this is a rational debate, however, that doesn't apply, and a slippery slope argument is a valid piece of evidence that must be weighed according to its likelihood of being accurate.
I have no idea how much weight his slope bears, since I didn't read it, but you can't just dismiss it as a logical fallacy since this isn't a logical debate.
How about implanting them in our elected and appointed Ferderal Officials? We could GPS them and plot them on something like Google Maps. Anyone interested could look them up and see where they are! Are they in Washington D.C. working or are they in St Barts on a "fact finding" junket?
Security? The security risk would be part of the job.
The smartest man in the whole, wide world really don't know that much. - Mose Allison
From the Bible, Revelations chapter 13:16-18>------ 16He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, 17so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name. 18This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666. ----------- OK, I have a computer chip in me. It has files on it. Since it will be used for all my file transactions, it must be able to be read and written by anyone - so we have read and write permission for owner, group, and world. If this file system is UNIX/POSIX compatible, that's a permission code of 666 !!! QED Corollary I - the so-called "Christian" right are a bunch of moronic stooges, acting as a hand puppet for the devil. Corollary II - The republicans are the party of satan, busily building the infrastructure for the antiChrist to use to rule the world. Corollary III - If you vote for them in the next election, you have only yourself to blame when the secret police kick in your door.
"Sic Semper Path of Least Resistance"
Immigration in the United States is one of the most confused topics I have ever seen.
I was working there for a few years as a legal resident and all I can say is that people there have a hole in their head when it comes to immigration.
The real problem with immigration in that country is that the legal system is a complete f**ked up mess. That can't be overstated. It needs massive reform and most likely investment. RFID is an assinine idea that has nothing to do with the core problem.
When I was a legal resident, I would be happy to have the INS (or Home Land Security) verify where I was working, where I lived, or all sorts of things. This is normal practice in many countries and is reasonable. But they are generally too incompetent to have any coherent view of legal immigration period. (I don't fault them -- generally the laws, procedures, etc. are written by an even worse Congress.) How in God's name is implanting RFID's going to help?
As for illegal immigration, it should not exist. It is a second class citizen. Americans tolerant illegals but then do not let them have full access to the same jobs, same legal protections, and everything else that they enjoy. It isn't slavery, but it is a separate and unequal legal system for not-quite-real-Americans. It is immoral and profoundly wrong.
One of the first steps is very clear. It isn't securing the border -- that's fighting the supply -- but preventing their employment and deporting them. The border will take care of themselves and the border guards will be able to focus on genuine issues.
A combination of massive reform of legal immigration -- this is the FIRST step of reform -- followed by an opening of legal immigration (so that it is less painful for the unskilled illegals) along with a strict enforcement of the laws that Americans otherwise cherish.
RFIDs have almost nothing to do with it.
Mark
I'm vehemently opposed to ANY tracking of people who have done nothing wrong. But when it comes to people who have been convicted of a crime it's a different story.
Scary stuff - what ever happened to paying your debt to society once you got out of jail?
You are talking 'absolutes' here. Suppose a specific crime might be punishable by a 6 year sentence. After the 6 year (and sometimes after 4 - having served 2/3 of the sentence and good behaviour) the 'debt to society' has been paid. Are 2 different persons rehabilitated the same way in that period of time?
Yes, they should be given chances - a job, a place to live like anyone else. Just because they served their sentence it does not mean that they will not commit the same crime again and that is why monitoring them is OK. Nothing is clean cut - served your time, paid your debt to society and off you go. The experiance that a person gains in life stays with that person and how that person will use it you can't predict with a 100% accuracy. So it's more up to the person to prove that they have changed. (I don't know the percentage but there are repeat offenders)
Again, nothing is clean cut. Not everything is quantifiable -it's more of a give and take. If it comes to having a convicted person 'inconvenienced' with wearing a GPS tracking device and preventing a next innocent person possibly getting hurt and scarred for life - I know what I would choose (and be in peace with my decission).
Did someone just pass an English as the official language bill, too? Brave patriotism, craven-politician-style.
Definitely, especially when the president can't speak it.
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"without which you will be able neither to buy nor sell"
My concern with using RFID to track pedophiles is where it would stop? Seems likely that schools and day care centers would install tracking systems on their perimeter, but how about libraries? Would a shopping mall want to install pedophile detection at the entrance? How about fast food restaurants? How about DisneyLand?
If schools decided to install detection systems, who foots the bill? Do schools in poor neighborhoods skip the RFID detection system (but keep the metal detectors)?
This is still all theoretical, but it definitely is a slippery slope.
"We make our world significant by the courage of our questions and by the depth of our answers." Carl Sagan
>. Would immigrant workers trade their privacy for the opportunity to work in the U.S.?
opportunity to work in the USA :
- earm a US $ income.
- pay a big chunk of it as taxes towards supporting the 'citizens' who include drug addiscts, junkies, losers, ppl breeding like pigs and claiming ss benefits etc etc.
yeah, good use of the education and skills of the 'immigrants'.
You guys make me sick. You really do not see immigrants as humans or something even remotely close, do you? they are what, something that exists to make you people comfy and happy?
you have come a long way from the times when you guys and your leaders/ideals/policies were an inspiration to others in this world.
Yeeeeeahhhhhh.....this sounds like a good idea.
I'm all for immigration reform, and even probably have some semi-extreme views on it, but this sounds nothing short of ridiulous. Why don't we just tatoo every immigrant as they come in? Oh, wait...
Logan's Run
Are you seriously proposing we track, for life, those individuals labeled as "sex offenders" simply because they were caught pissing on the side of a bar in public? What about the 18 year old guy convicted of the "statutory rape" of his willing 17 year, 364 day old girlfriend?
Both of these examples, and many others, are all lumped into the category of "sex offender". Furthermore, more often than not the various "type your zip code in and see the boogeymen" sites do not do anything to differentiate between the two (one could argue this is because the data the State provides typically doesn't, either)...
Reason is the Path to God - Anon
Conservatives/libertarians like me won't go for this for immigrants/guest workers, and for damned sure liberals won't. The only constituency for this proposal are a few nuts and this guy who manufactures the chips. I wouldn't mind this at all for child molesters, although I'd want an analysis to see if there's an actual benefit to be had from doing it.
If thay want to put the RFID technology to a good use, why don't they look into shooting them at Al-Qaada (sp?) members from dart firing rifles.
Then they could set up a tracking system and follow their every movement.
this has been done before, but hitler only made the jews wear big white david-stars on their arms... he didn't monitor where they went when they were unseen...
The MAFIAA is a bunch of mindless jerks who will be the first up against the wall when the revolution comes
As a condition of release many sex offenders are required to stay away from schools, what's wrong with enforcing this electronically?
How about just throwing them in concentration camps and get it over with. Honestly, I it makes me sick to the stomack how anyone can propose something like this that disrespects the dignity of human beings and directly violates basic human rights. However, given the murky background of Scott Silverman and the filthy dealings VeriChip has with Mexico and several South American countries I am not surprised by statements like this. Hopefully he will make himself even more enemies and his company will finally shut down.
I came to this country legally. Studied here, spent 1000's of $'s getting an education and then have paid 1000's of $'s in taxes. People who come here illegally now can claim amnesty and get a green card and citizenship, whereas, I've got to spend 1000's more of $'s to get a GC and go thro' enough number of hoops.
I'd pack my bags and leave if RFID was made a requirement. You know how many visitors would come to the US if that was the case. Take a guess! Then you'd get only the terrorists and the asylum seekers, not the people who actually produce work right from the moment they land.
Great going.
Sure thing.
And then it's voluntary for a citizen to accept this or a grossly longer prison term when convicted of a crime.
And then it's voluntary for a citizen in the US to buy a gun.
And then it's voluntary for a citizen to work in certain professions or not (I mean police would really benefit from being chipped right?)
And then it's voluntary for a citizen to choose to own a car and drive one (along with our "voluntary" insurance we have to have).
And then it's voluntary for a citizen to work or not.
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Put up a wall 20' high on the southern border.
Throw the business owners who have too high a percentage of illegal employees in jail for conspiracy.
Remove automatic citizenship for being born here.
And STOP giving out free benefits to non-citizens.
That's what's really needed.
We are racing to the bottom until we will have rich people and a bunch of low wage outsourced and illegal local workers while screwing the middle class and the poor american citizens.
She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
The opportunities for abuse are frightening, and we designed both the circuit and its deployment to make it difficult to access the ICID on the chip when it is connected to a system. In essence, the system functions must be disabled and the isolated chip in test mode to get at the ICID. While that doesn't make it impossible to abuse the ICID, it does make it expensive and obvious.
While we had our arguments during startup, we agreed that our corporate charter would forbid the involuntary tracking of human beings with the technology, and make any application involving voluntary tracking of people or their equipment conditional on public disclosure and discussion, and require a unanimous vote of the board. So far, we have steered well clear of such applications, and if we consider them, you will hear about it!
ID technologies and techniques are here to stay, and cannot be suppressed. Three years after our ICID patent, a very large Japanese company attempted a similar patent, so the idea was waiting to happen, and others have tried to patent it since. While I don't like patents much, our patent is partly an attempt to reduce deployment of the technology for unsavory applications. Time will tell whether this strategy works or not.
While VeriChip's push to implant their tags in humans is wrong, it is the kind of thing that can happen in a struggling small company that has saturated its original market. The real question is not whether there is somebody willing to sell the tools of tyranny (with 6 billion people on the planet, there will always be somebody) but what people are willing to buy. The scariest thing is not that VeriChip is willing to put chips into immigrants, but that so many people want to close the borders at such a great risk to freedom.
A constituency for slavery develops because of the unaddressed fears of the slaves and the incoherence of the opposition. Calling the slaves perjorative names does not free them, breaking their chains does. The people that want to close the borders to immigration and trade are afraid of unemployment and afraid of people that look and act differently. These fears are valid, and will not go away until more of us have the skills and the confidence to insure our own prosperity and safety, and have been learned to enjoy the riches that other cultures bring.
Indeed, VeriSign's pursuit of the chip-humans market is a sign of their own fear and lack of opportunities - they have a hard-won technology, but few places to sell it. On some ideal planet of 6 billion free and prospering people, there would be lots of opportunities for implantable transponder technology that does not involve tracking and controlling people. For example, the same technology could be applied to implantable medical monitoring, but our culture is too lawsuit-ridden and regulation-bound (fear, fear!) to channel inventiveness in that direction.
This whole posting has been about fear; fear of tyranny, fear of misuse, fear of failure. Fear is the soil that grows tyranny. Fear sucks.
Keith Lofstrom server-sky.com
In this case, an immigrant would be "marked" by the chip and once in the US, "unmarked" by having the chip illegally and often unsafely removed. With it removed, they are just like Mr. and Ms. Joe Citizen, thus "legal" as far as the scanners are concerned.
This type of marking will only "work" if the citizens have chips. Of course, then we are back to where illegal steps are taken to get a noncitizen over the border and offiially documented.
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Wouldn't everyone, not just immigrants, need an implant for this plan to work?!?
Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest. --Denis Diderot
The problem with this is that while thee would be some people that would consent to this these would not be the people you would want as immigrants - you want the skilled, highly educated workers, not the unskilled. The skilled people have alternatives - stay where tey are, go to Europe, etc.
This dumb move would make the US a lot less attractive to exactly the people you want as immigrants.
If the US chipped immigrants from other countries, why wouldn't those countries start chipping American visitors to their countries? Where does it end?
-- Gary Goldberg KA3ZYW 301/249-6501 AIM:OgGreeb Digital Marketing Inc., Bowie, MD
I think is is a perfect solution, because as we all know, nobody outside the US could possibly be advanced enough to manufacture an implantable RFID chip!
If this is ever implemented then that's it for me... I'll never go and work in the USA*, and will probably prefer to visit other places while doing tourism. If nothing else is, then that would be jumping the shark for sure.
* My main reason for dismissing this possibility is currently not wanting to pay taxes of which a big part is used for invading other countries.
The AACS key is NOT 0xF606EEFD628B1CA427BEA93A9CA9773F
Let them know what you think about this here!
The AACS key is NOT 0xF606EEFD628B1CA427BEA93A9CA9773F
The solution to all of this is a small group of vigilantes who go around with a specially tailored EMP device, discharging it at random, frying all RFID chips within a certain radius. Somehow the vigilante cell would have an announcement that would inform the public of their intention to continue until all forms of legislated human RFID chipping cease. Nearly any attempt to foil these efforts would be in vain; RF shielding would prevent the devices from functioning as designed. VeriChip / The US Gov't would most likely abandon the idea entirely.
HU'MAN, a. [L. humanus; Heb. form, species.]
For me to refer to a man as a "human", by it is bearing false-witness that their ways are not regenerate, is ill will on the declarent. Etymologically, "human" is the root of "hue" or of colorable element in the diffraction of one's character; and by "man" would mean the marriage of male and female of a creature as supposed in one of those "Bible" things. Evidence in this is how the plural form to "human" is cononcted; some say "humen", while others say "humans". As well, can there be a woman/women apply for human rights? None want to admit that "human" is a derogatory form being applied by colorable consent and protesting. A cow is qualified as a human more than a man.
without prejudice
I say we chip all of you border-hopping, Ellis Island-packing sweatshop-working immigrants and send you where you came from, to preserve our heritage. You too, Plymouth Rock n00blets. We didn't work our butts off and eat people for thirteen years to have you take our jobs. 1607 is it, the rest...
Just kidding. Really I don't have a right to claim "native" status either.
an image just to remind people next they'll commission some computer software house to develop a counting and tracking program... cos we must know how many and where they all are...
Donald 'Duck' Dunn: We had a band powerful enough to turn goat piss into gasoline.
The proposal is more about exploiting fear to make gobs of money. From another article written in 2002(at least I think it was. I honestly can't tell since it's on today's page of the site. However it is more enlightening than the summary article.), "FDA approval could take years, and we can start making money off of this thing now!" . I don't know whether scream, DUPE!, or simply say thanks for the reminder(not that anybody who can will do anything about it). On another note, does the yro section have any good news? I'm sure the warhawks and wannabe warlords out there(you know who you are...freaks) consider this good news, but I'm talking about good news for righteous, conscientious people who believe individual freedoms.
What?
They always seem to have a unique perspective on things.
Someone hates these cans.
Erg...This has got to be the most appalling border protection idea yet. This is ALL immigrants? This is like something the nutjob minutemen would come up with.
Why are you writing Checks for services not bonded and oathed?
All the borders and its personell are commercial avenues for the transport of cargo and passengers by hired persons. A man can't be coerced to contract their services. Accordingly to tort, a man can walk wherever he may except when hindered by the land-owners exercising their claim on the land without tresspass to uninterested people. There is a difference between drug-trafickers dodging the search and seizure at a commercial port, as opposed to honest people striding through the desert paths to redeem their claim of bank-notes or title to services checked to their favor. If anyone is in posession to currency of the United States -- they have the right to enter the United States to satisfy their monetary claims to property and services. All this "illegal alien" non-sense is misplaced trust and bad faith likely advertised by debtors beligerant to the claims of the people approaching the United States as a last resort. If anyone didn't want another man or person to enter the United States (by currency), then do not contract them. No law may be passed to void a claim or counterfeit securities (fractional reserve banking) from the claimant.
I'ld like to hear a protester answer to their claim on any of the several states to the united States of America. A suitor or claimant would not be protesting. A claim as to "pregnancy", "concussion", or "disease" has nothing to do with the state and offices of public trust within; that's why there is a corporation counterfeiting legislation and squatting so-aptly nom'd "STATE OF CALIFORNIA." If I had a concussion, I would be asked as to trust a person in that state to hold the property on my behalf until I could exercise that capacity -- but all the offices are vacant when there is no oath and bond, and all that sits is the body-corporate side of the Law of Nations.
without prejudice
until they make mandatory. The national 55 mph speed limit, ISP data retention, implants, soon the military again, this is your slippery slope, no? Of course the naysayers won't believe it until it becomes a vertical cliff. And even then they'll maintain that we're just paranoid. These are the blind mofos that have led us to where we are today. We've been riding this slope for so long, that we have forgotten what it feels like to stand on level ground. Quite the lemmings we are.
It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine.
What?
Might be fruitful to have a group of holocaust survivors show up in front of his office and show their tattoos to the news reporters.
BTW, any readers in Israel: ask your MPs to introduce a resolution condemning him in the Knesset.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
...for having the "death penalty" for corporations. I'd start by shutting down any firm that collaborates with repression. Phone companies selling their customers out to the NSA, RFID scumbags, anyone who so much as shook hands with Poindexter. Not to mention the firms that sell equipment used for tortures and executions.
To paraphrase a certain Russian, they're selling us the rope that they're going to hang us with. These are criminal enterprises. Their shareholders should be left holding the bag and their management should do hard time. Until corporations are held accountable, they'll lobby and bribe their way to their services becoming part of government contracts. And we'll all suffer for it.
Get your teeth into a small slice: the cake of liberty
... I'm from latin america, I'm not living in the US even rhough I find this very, very concerning.
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Maybe it will be a good trade to play it this way... immigrants agree to use this stupid device if the president and all politicians use it and we can check using the Internet where they are. That way it would be fair... Politicians must be a model to society so this is not an exception
http://www.quasarcr.com/
We should RFID all the CEO's first, then the politicians, next the bureaucrats. Then we'd be able to track all the uncaught crooks, fools, and dangers to freedom... Slippery slope... hell that's a greased 45 degree trash chute! LOL his stock holders oughta love that guy.
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"All pedophiles are sex offenders, but not all sex offenders are pedophiles."
WRONG. WRONG, WRONG, WRONG, WRONG, WRONG! All Child Molesters are sex offenders. MOST pedophiles have done absolutely nothing wrong.
Come on people, don't you even understand what words MEAN anymore?
First, Pedophilia = A sexual attraction to adolescent (have not yet hit puberty) children.
Erebophilia = An attraction to young people who HAVE reached puberty, but who are not yet fullly 'adult' - all the 13-17 year olds.
All those Sex Offenders/child molesters guilty of molesting 13-17 year olds? Not pedophiles. Erebophiles, maybe. Rapists, likely. Child molesters, (at least according to law), certainly. Sex offenders, definitely. But NOT pedophiles!
Pedophilia (Or erebophilia/hebephilia) is a state of mind. Just like homosexuals, or even 'normal heterosexuals' who may have rape fantasies, schoolgirl fantasies, etc., there's ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG with it.
Most people have urges at times to do things that are wrong or illegal. MOST people, - including most pedophiles - can control their urges. They can sublimate them into allowable forms of release, such as the schoolgirl fantasies I mentioned before. Most people, including most pedophiles, manage to live out their lives in compliance with the laws. They understand right and wrong and they can and DO control themselves.
It's the people who can't or won't control themselves who are in prison or listed as sex offenders. Can't ANY of you people get that through your thick skulls? Over and over and over I see people saying 'All pedophiles should be chipped/tracked/locked up/beaten/shot.' And I am sickened again at the lack of thinking and the mob mentality diplayed.
All CHILD MOLESTERS deserve punishment, absolutely, whether they're pedophiles or not. If the lion's share of child molestation happens in the home, how many of the perpetrators are 'normal' heterosexuals, living 'normal' lives, with wives and children even? Most of them? They're not pedophiles, they're rapists or child molesters. They didn't molest the child because they're pedophiles, they did it because they had the opportunity and because they had power over the minor involved.
Simply being sexually attracted to children (or teenagers, since more than half of the 'child abuse' happens to teens who HAVE reached puberty) is perfectly legal, though it seems most people have forgotten that. ANYTHING that happens only in your head is legal - you have to DO something to break the law. Get it?
C'mon people, THINK about what you're saying, would you? Or would you rather they punish/kill/lock up/track pedophiles, whether they've ever DONE anything illegal or not? That's SUCH a slipperly slope. Once they start prosecuting one group of people for what they're THINKING, how long before they go after another group? How long before they go after YOU?
Are you all going to say you've never even THOUGHT of doing anything illegal? If you have, you're -just- as guilty as your average pedophile. (e.g. perfectly innocent!) How about saving your hate for people who have actually done something wrong, and then labelling them for what they've DONE, not for your -guess- at their state of mind?
We Now Return You To Your Regularly Scheduled Hate-fest, Already In Progress...
450+ comments and no futurama references?
You people make me sick.
Heh. I don't think "once a thief, always a thief". But I do think our current criminal justice system isn't set up to provide either real punishment or real rehabilitation.
Thus, true justice, and true repentance, are both unlikely, and a thief today is probably going to be a thief tomorrow, whether or not he "serves his time".
Also, there seems to be some scientific basis for concluding that child molesters are much more difficult to reform than thieves.
You can probably convince most thieves that conforming to the social convention against thievery is morally and practically desireable; and you can certainly teach them other, more valuable skills to replace thievery as their primary form of entertainment or revenue.
But if it's improper to expect homosexuals to change their sexual preferences, or be chaste if they cannot change, then surely it's improper to expect pedophiles to do so, neh?
Any sufficiently well-organized community is indistinguishable from Government.
Is it possible that recidivism among sex offenders is low because they're branded for life?
Perhaps recidivism amongst murderers would drop as well, if we started stigmatizing them in the same way.
Also, it's pretty obvious that our current criminal justice system is not very good at producing true punishment, true rehabilitation, or true repentance. So it may be the case that murders are much less likely to murder again if they're subjected to a proper program of rehabilitation, but that sex offenders subjected to the same program would not respond as well.
Any sufficiently well-organized community is indistinguishable from Government.
"You don't "cure" or "rehabilitate" pedophiles -- you can only hope to contain them."
Good god, what is wrong with you people? You DO realize that MOST pedophiles have done absolutely nothing wrong, don't you? Do you also realize that 95% of sex offenders (that's who the law you're talking about is actually meant to track, NOT just child molesters - And not 'pedophiles' at all!) 95% of sex offenders don't re-offend? Didn't this same stupid argument come up already this week?
All Child Molesters are sex offenders. Not all Sex Offenders are child molestors. MOST pedophiles have done absolutely nothing wrong.
MOST Child molestation isn't even done by pedophiles. 13-17 year old 'children' wouldn't attract a pedophile to begin with!
Come on people, don't you even understand what words MEAN anymore?
First, Pedophilia = A sexual attraction to adolescent (have not yet hit puberty) children.
Erebophilia = An attraction to young people who HAVE reached puberty, but who are not yet fully 'adult' - all the 13-17 year olds.
All those Sex Offenders/child molesters guilty of molesting 13-17 year olds? Not pedophiles. Erebophiles, maybe. Rapists, likely. Child molesters, (at least according to law), certainly. Sex offenders, definitely. But NOT pedophiles!
Pedophilia (Or erebophilia/hebephilia) is a state of mind. Just like homosexuals, or even 'normal heterosexuals' who may have rape fantasies, schoolgirl fantasies, etc., there's ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG with it.
Most people have urges at times to do things that are wrong or illegal. MOST people, - including most pedophiles - can control their urges. They can sublimate them into allowable forms of release, such as the schoolgirl fantasies I mentioned before. Most people, including most pedophiles, manage to live out their lives in compliance with the laws. They understand right and wrong and they can and DO control themselves.
It's the people who can't or won't control themselves who are in prison or listed as sex offenders. Can't ANY of you people get that through your thick skulls? Over and over and over I see people saying 'All pedophiles should be chipped/tracked/locked up/beaten/shot.' And I am sickened again at the lack of thinking and the mob mentality diplayed.
All CHILD MOLESTERS deserve punishment, absolutely, whether they're pedophiles or not. If the lion's share of child molestation happens in the home, how many of the perpetrators are 'normal' heterosexuals, living 'normal' lives, with wives and children even? Most of them? They're not pedophiles, they're rapists or child molesters. They didn't molest the child because they're pedophiles, they did it because they had the opportunity and because they had power over the minor involved.
Simply being sexually attracted to children (or teenagers, since more than half of the 'child abuse' happens to teens who HAVE reached puberty) is perfectly legal, though it seems most people have forgotten that. ANYTHING that happens only in your head is legal - you have to DO something to break the law. Get it?
C'mon people, THINK about what you're saying, would you? Or would you rather they punish/kill/lock up/track pedophiles, whether they've ever DONE anything illegal or not? That's SUCH a slipperly slope. Once they start prosecuting one group of people for what they're THINKING, how long before they go after another group? How long before they go after YOU? "You've got bondage porn on your computer, you must be a rapist! Bend over while we insert this GPS.."
Are you all going to say you've never even THOUGHT of doing anything illegal? If you have, you're -just- as guilty as your average pedophile. (e.g. perfectly innocent!) How about saving your hate for people who have actually done something wrong, and then labelling them for what they've DONE, not for your -guess- at their state of mind?
We Now Return You To Your Regularly Scheduled Hate-fest, Already In Progress...
Feel free to accuse me of anything you like, I'm sure that's easier than actually dealing with what I've said..
From Revelations 13:16-17
(16) He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, (17) so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.
Of course, the preceding passages involve giant beasts rising out of the earth and the sea and ruling the world. What you have to realize is that there are things you have to consider to understand Revelations, things like symbolism, interpretation, and the special hallucinogenic mushrooms that grow naturally on the island the Apostle John was stranded on when he wrote Revelations.
Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or petty, never give in except to conviction
" I certainly won't argue with the fact that most pedophiles come from within the family, but all you have to do is run a quick "Megan's Law" search of your zip code to see the number of sex offenders in you area.
Yes, so? That number is certainly dwarfed by the number of people guilty of other violent crimes against the person in the same area, though, of course, that number isn't as easy to see."
We're not talking about violent crimes. We're talking about sexual predators and specifically, pedophiles.
" Now out of the few hundred you see within a few miles of your house, how many are pedophiles?
Judging from crime stats from the BJS probably somewhere in the loose neighborhood of about 1 in 8 are any type of pedophile, and as noted upthread, far fewer than that are pedophiles that pose any more risk than any random person on the street to anyone outside of their own immediate family."
I did note that upthread -- as with no links or support -- just "IIRC". If you've REALLY read substantial research relating to convicted pedophiles and how liable they are to molest others outside their family (again I'd say convenience and have seen as yet nothing to contradict that) -- they you've read more than I. That still just seems crazy to me. Seems like a heck of a gamble.
" They are only contained. We have laws that require them to remain so far from public places where kids stay (not open for debate). GPS tracking ensures this.
No, it doesn't, for the same reason -- illusion of security provided by "Megan's Law" databases notwithstanding -- legal registration requirements don't actually ensure that police actually know where offenders live."
Uh, no. GPS works great. You know EXACTLY where they are. RFID requires local detectors. Megan's law is (admitedly) more of a scare than of any real use. GPS works. That's also why they use it for house arrest.
" Do you REALLY think that's wrong?
I think that various indicators of social alienation have been linked to increased recidivism of molestors, and that "scarlet letter" approaches of all kinds that are certain to increase social alienation may be necessary and useful, but need to be well-considered and carefully and selectively applied considering effectiveness, characteristics of the particular offender, and potential adverse consequences. So, yeah, I think much of the mindless blanket approach taken to sexual offenders is poorly thought-out, reflexive, and counterproductive, and that universal GPS monitoring of sex offenders would fall into that category, as well."
You know, I agree with you right here. I'm too much of a libertarian to disagree. But as a parent, and someone who's seen the effects of molestation on people's lives, I've got to think GPS monitoring of CERTAIN sexual predators may be a good thing. You yourself finally grants there may be some usefullness in a carefull approach. I think in those cases, it's the best approach out there.
"sweet dreams are made of this..."
Have people forgotten about one of the biggest prophecies in the Bible? The mark of the beast! The person who gets ID 666 is the anti-christ and he will enslave humanity. Not saying that I believe any of that... but people do seem to be pushing in that direction a bit too much. Stop it.
Meh.
Why would you allow group and world to write to your personal files? Would a "born-again" hacker be able to chmod his files 777 and make it into heaven even with the mark of the beast?
Meh.
6 6 6
Meh.
You never hear about Americans sneaking over to Canada, they must be doing something right!
But who would ever want to sneak into Canada? There's nothing in Canada but...snow and ice? That must be why they love hockey so much!
And you can never really tell what exactly they're talking about -- boots, or boats?
Chips could be easly removed or replaced by a black market clinic, whereas a tattooed id number on the arm, for example, would be much more difficult to tamper with.
Safety recalls, product upgrades, security risks: all would require surgery. If someone slipped and used a chip with a deactivate command, suddenly the wearer ceases to be tagged.
No, the people proposing this would have their ends better met by a simple numerical tattoo, readable without special equipment and impossible for the wearer to remove. Simple and proven technology.
Ankle bracelets would also be a superior technology.
The Government aka NSA funded Verichip to the tune of 6 Billion dollars. You don't see it on their web page anymore, but it was there large as life when they were founded. That's what first caught my eye with verichip. The sources of its startup capital.
First of all, I see no reason why the RFID chip has to be implanted. What about currying it on the form of a card? and before you say that someone may use someone else's card, I will tell you that the implant would be just as easily removed.
Secondly, why RFIDs? RFIDs have very short range and they are useless as a general tracking method. RFIDs only work when an RFID antenna is nearby. And then you have to write the proper middleware to drive the business logic, otherwise RFIDs are useless. The only reason for using RFIDs are a) the company wants to sell chips and readers, b) some big contracts are up for implementing the US-wide database and middleware.
Finally, how long before tagging is mandatory for all and activated at birth?
Yay! Just like dogs! In case they get lost, any vet could read the RFID chip of your favorite immigrant/guest worker, and you could have him or her home in a matter of minutes!
BTW, that was sarcasm... NSA rapes your phones, and now this... makes me sick...
It's time to chip EVERYONE in the US government.
So we can keep track of them.
Who they associate with.
Who they do business with.
Who they call.
What they say when they call.
Where they search the web.
Don't wanna be chipped? Don't work for Government.
We also need an NNSA (New NSA): a group that oversees the overseer's
(I know it will take another 15 minutes to post this but it's worth it - burn in hell psyops!)
Next all felons will require the implant in order to work at their local Army labour camp, which gives the happy felons a chance to reduce their prisontime while working happily for the US Army. Oh, and they'll get "job training" aswell. It's all good you see. Only for the criminal felons (we only want non-violent felons, you know, those dissident types are good stock).
Here's our fantastic plan in all its glory http:army.mil/usapa/epubs/pdf/r210_35.pdf
That was strange. I thought that the government would've used the immigration debate/legitimacy to silently introduce federal ID cards. However, a chip solves a lot of problems concerning counterfeiting or illegal tampering.
No sig for you! Come back one year!
Chipping is as anti-American as seizing our guns.
It could even be cooler! Make the chip a BIG one and plant it in the neck near the spinal cord near the seventh intercostal vertebra. In the 'chip' put a small charge of semtex or C4 that could be detonated remotely if the person 'misbehaved' in some way, like attend a demonstration or wrote a critical letter about government officials. Once the Mexicans are all chipped, the illegal ones, a case can then be made to chip the legal ones too, so no mistake will be made in their identity. Now if the chip has a really long detection range, or if a high power transmitter/reader is used, maybe these 'subjects' can be read over a mile away. Think of it, use an array of transmitter/receivers every mile can yield a computer map of every Mex in the country if we have a national net. Now if we ever have a red alert on the so called terrorism scale, some nutcase hacker can break into this system and off every Latino in the nation with a single command.
And that is just a start. If we can justify chip/slaving one minority, we can do it to another. Everybody is a inority of something! Next start on the pedos. Everybody hates pedos. Then lets get the other felons as well. That way we have a gooood database of folks to 'get'. Hell they'll run to turn themselves in if the cost of not doin' it is to 'get it in the neck'! Then lets get the minor crooks like paperhangers and especially the child support non payers. Then lets get all the taxpayers on the ground that they will be easy to find that way. Soon we will have EVERYBODY!
Then the Red Chinese will hack the system and kill every American
and then invade our empty country, walk over our
dead dumb asses and take it for Chinese 'living room'!
Yeah. As predictable as bees attacking those that molest their nest.
Again, if you are not happy with the way things work here, leave. If things were so good where you come from (or anywhere else) you would have already left, or not come in the first place.
But wait! I know why you are here. UK citizens get even more of an ass-reaming from their government than US citizens do, and their economy (one of the best in Europe) ain't so great, either. The UK's per-capita GDP is 3/4 of ours, and taxes are almost twice higher. Tony Blair acts like Bush's lap dog. I can see why you left.
You'll find many Americans will not only defend their country in a blog, but will fucking well do it in person, too. Consider that "a word to the wise." There's plenty of cowboys, rednecks, and just plain regular citizens who will take umbrage at guests with your kind of attitude. You can count me as one of them.
there are 3 kinds of people:
* those who can count
* those who can't
16 And [the Beast] causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. KJV Book of Revelation, ch13. (:
If this passes, I'm taking bets on who the pope says is responsible (=effectually, who is the Beast.)
We don't read most of the bills. Do you really know what that would entail, if we were to read every bill we pass?
Need I say more? Next you'll hear that it will take the place of our social security numbers and we will have to be implanted before any business transactions are made. Not even a bag og groceries. Time to nip this one in the Bud.