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Why Linux Sucks by Anonymous Coward · 2002-04-17 01:37 · Score: -1, Flamebait · on $24.5 Million Linux Supercomputer

Here's a short list of Linux flaws that make it look silly:

* /usr/include/linux (come on. honestly.) Lame. Nonstandard. (for the clue-deprived, this means that any code written for linux using the linux/ headers will be incompatible with all other Unix flavors.) Guess what: string.h, types.h, malloc.h, signal.h, and so-on don't belong in a platform-specific include directory. Hope you didn't want to port your code...
* Neither the sigaction manpage nor the signal.h includs indicate what the system defaults are. Of course, they've put signal.h in /usr/include/linux...
* "intro" manpages are a joke. Compare the BSD section 2 intro with the one from Linux.
* file systems mount async by default (power outage and your fs dies)
* Most linux users don't have pubes yet and are intolerably lame (3Y3 4m 1337 H4x0r d00d [uz 3y3 h4v3 L1Nux!)
* Too many things in user space that belong in the kernel (nfs)
* Too many things in the kernel that belong in user space (java)
* No standard distribution. Linux people say this is a good thing? Try writing software or software configuration instructions when you never know how the OS is going to be laid out, or try finding the responsible party for a block of OS code, or try fixing security problems when they arise and you'll see that this is NOT a good thing at all.
* no consistant pronunciation the os'es name (line-ucks? lynn-ucks?)
* svr4? bsd? make up your mind?
* Lame NFS & dd
* #linux, #hack, #linuxwarez...
* New kernel every week that breaks half your applications
* Security flaw/Root compromise of the week (see below)
* glibc? libc? libc5? libc6? glibc2?
* /bin/sh != sh; /bin/sh == bash. Lame. Nonstandard. Result: broken shell scripts and nonportable code.
* /usr/bin/make != make; /usr/bin/make == gmake. Lame. Nonstandard. Same result as above: nonportable code.
* ext2fs
* Linux will mount partitions that are not clean
* can't handle partitions > 2GB (i've hear they finally fixed this one)
* e2fsck deliberatly leaves/creates corrupt files (if there is a block that it duplicate between two files, e2fsck will clone the duplicate (while fsck will remove both files. This can also result in a user gaining unauthorized access to another user's data.))
* it swap likes swap to swap swap too swap often swap
* only allows 128M of swap at a time; for a 1G of swap, you need 8 swap partitions
* can't handle more than 1GB of RAM
* To install Joe's program, you need Bob's kernel hack, but for Bob's kernel hack, you've got to have Suzy's patches, but Suzy's patches only work with a year-old kernel, unless you get Mike's patches to Suzy's patches, but even then, those conflict with Jeff's drivers, which can be resolved only by installing Nancy's patches...
* Can't handle the same IP on more than one interface
* Can't handle large files
* Max file size: 2GB. (*BSD: 4 Terabytes)
* Dynamically linked root shell. Doom!
* lilo! any boot loader that needs to have magic block numbers is wrong
* linux icmp.h is *NOT* unix icmp.h - they're totally incompatible.
* flatfile password files make listing large ftp directories impossible due to huge numbers of flatfile searchces.
* password file can be non-shadowed - encrypted passwords visible to all
* shadow.h! hahahahahahaha!
* Slowass network code
* Did I mention slowass network code?
* Oh, also slowass network code
* Miserably pathetic threading implementation doesn't scale for shit: all threads wake up on signals (stampeding process problem).
* L1nux c0d3rz!
* LILO can't cope with kernels > 1Mb, so the kernel has to be gzipped.
* strfry and memfrob
* Can't cope with hard drives > 32GB
* GPL - a license and a virus
* Fundamental design and direction problems. It turns out that Linus is not the smartest man in the world and the saviour of all mankind.
* OS or religion?
* UNABLE TO LOAD INTERPRETER...memory leak much?
* This is a real Linux error message: Uhhh. NMI recieved. Dazed and Confused. Trying to cope ...such professionalism!
*The GNU su manpage actually says this:
This program does not support a "wheel group" that restricts who can su to super-user accounts, because that can help fascist system administrators hold unwarranted power over other users. ...apparently it's better for any user to attack the root password than to offer added security. Ignorance of security is a common Linux thread.
* vi != vi; vi == vim. vim links to X libraries. Wipe X, and now you can't use vi. Retards.
* Still no USB support in 2000, after NetBSD and FreeBSD have had it for nearly 2 years. So much for the "million geeks" theory of rapid software development.
* Always trying to help you hold your weewee when you're going tinkle.
* No version control used to manage the system.

Why Linux Sucks by Anonymous Coward · 2002-04-15 01:36 · Score: -1, Flamebait · on Linux Kernel 2.5.8 Released

Here's a short list of Linux flaws that make it look silly:

* /usr/include/linux (come on. honestly.) Lame. Nonstandard. (for the clue-deprived, this means that any code written for linux using the linux/ headers will be incompatible with all other Unix flavors.) Guess what: string.h, types.h, malloc.h, signal.h, and so-on don't belong in a platform-specific include directory. Hope you didn't want to port your code...
* Neither the sigaction manpage nor the signal.h includs indicate what the system defaults are. Of course, they've put signal.h in /usr/include/linux...
* "intro" manpages are a joke. Compare the BSD section 2 intro with the one from Linux.
* file systems mount async by default (power outage and your fs dies)
* Most linux users don't have pubes yet and are intolerably lame (3Y3 4m 1337 H4x0r d00d [uz 3y3 h4v3 L1Nux!)
* Too many things in user space that belong in the kernel (nfs)
* Too many things in the kernel that belong in user space (java)
* No standard distribution. Linux people say this is a good thing? Try writing software or software configuration instructions when you never know how the OS is going to be laid out, or try finding the responsible party for a block of OS code, or try fixing security problems when they arise and you'll see that this is NOT a good thing at all.
* no consistant pronunciation the os'es name (line-ucks? lynn-ucks?)
* svr4? bsd? make up your mind?
* Lame NFS & dd
* #linux, #hack, #linuxwarez...
* New kernel every week that breaks half your applications
* Security flaw/Root compromise of the week (see below)
* glibc? libc? libc5? libc6? glibc2?
* /bin/sh != sh; /bin/sh == bash. Lame. Nonstandard. Result: broken shell scripts and nonportable code.
* /usr/bin/make != make; /usr/bin/make == gmake. Lame. Nonstandard. Same result as above: nonportable code.
* ext2fs
* Linux will mount partitions that are not clean
* can't handle partitions > 2GB (i've hear they finally fixed this one)
* e2fsck deliberatly leaves/creates corrupt files (if there is a block that it duplicate between two files, e2fsck will clone the duplicate (while fsck will remove both files. This can also result in a user gaining unauthorized access to another user's data.))
* it swap likes swap to swap swap too swap often swap
* only allows 128M of swap at a time; for a 1G of swap, you need 8 swap partitions
* can't handle more than 1GB of RAM
* To install Joe's program, you need Bob's kernel hack, but for Bob's kernel hack, you've got to have Suzy's patches, but Suzy's patches only work with a year-old kernel, unless you get Mike's patches to Suzy's patches, but even then, those conflict with Jeff's drivers, which can be resolved only by installing Nancy's patches...
* Can't handle the same IP on more than one interface
* Can't handle large files
* Max file size: 2GB. (*BSD: 4 Terabytes)
* Dynamically linked root shell. Doom!
* lilo! any boot loader that needs to have magic block numbers is wrong
* linux icmp.h is *NOT* unix icmp.h - they're totally incompatible.
* flatfile password files make listing large ftp directories impossible due to huge numbers of flatfile searchces.
* password file can be non-shadowed - encrypted passwords visible to all
* shadow.h! hahahahahahaha!
* Slowass network code
* Did I mention slowass network code?
* Oh, also slowass network code
* Miserably pathetic threading implementation doesn't scale for shit: all threads wake up on signals (stampeding process problem).
* L1nux c0d3rz!
* LILO can't cope with kernels > 1Mb, so the kernel has to be gzipped.
* strfry and memfrob
* Can't cope with hard drives > 32GB
* GPL - a license and a virus
* Fundamental design and direction problems. It turns out that Linus is not the smartest man in the world and the saviour of all mankind.
* OS or religion?
* UNABLE TO LOAD INTERPRETER...memory leak much?
* This is a real Linux error message: Uhhh. NMI recieved. Dazed and Confused. Trying to cope ...such professionalism!
*The GNU su manpage actually says this:
This program does not support a "wheel group" that restricts who can su to super-user accounts, because that can help fascist system administrators hold unwarranted power over other users. ...apparently it's better for any user to attack the root password than to offer added security. Ignorance of security is a common Linux thread.
* vi != vi; vi == vim. vim links to X libraries. Wipe X, and now you can't use vi. Retards.
* Still no USB support in 2000, after NetBSD and FreeBSD have had it for nearly 2 years. So much for the "million geeks" theory of rapid software development.
* Always trying to help you hold your weewee when you're going tinkle.
* No version control used to manage the system.

Re:Linux networking stack by keepper · 2001-01-09 02:39 · Score: 3 · on A Roundtable On BSD, Security, And Quality

Links my friend.... Links... Last i've heard, we still mopped the floor with linux on networking...

Have you ever tried to do any bandwith shapping with linux, or routing? anything network intensive? then you would now why most router OS's have based their stacks on the BSD code.

But, since you didn't provide links, I WILL BUDDY.
case 1) NFR's home page. quote

The performance of NFR on Linux will be poor on any hardware when compared to NFR on BSD-based systems on the same hardware. Linux does not use the BPF. The libpcap library uses another method to extract packets from the kernel on Linux. The code for this method does not appear to be written with performance in mind. Programs such as NFR, which use libpcap to read packets from the interface in promiscuous mode, will experience significant packet loss on any network that sees traffic of several megabits per second or more.

Linux does not properly handle interfaces in promiscuous mode. It fails to it fails to distinguish packets addressed to it from packets addressed to other machines. This means that you can subvert the Linux system in various ways: Other systems on the network can detect Linux based sniffers by looking for responses to requests sent to the wrong MAC address. The Apostols Web page (http://www.apostols.org/projectz) (in Spanish) describes the exploit. The source code for the exploit program contains comments and error messages in English. On an NFR that is multihomed, someone could use the flaws in Linux to route traffic from the promiscuous interface to other interfaces.

More you ask?

http://neuromancer.rmci.net/linux-vs-freebsd.html

Please stop talking from the wrong end....

Re:Not yet... by Anonymous Coward · 2000-08-30 00:26 · Score: 3 · on More Threats From The MPAA

Finally... a story where this is *not* offtopic... by Anonymous Coward · 2000-05-19 20:38 · Score: 5 · on Oxford Yanks Student Page Over Spoof DeCSS

and I'm asleep at the keyboard. Doh!

Oh well... here it is.
Add your own, and spread this far and wide:

This announcement brought to you by the DeCSS Polar Bear.

Finally... a story where this is *not* offtopic... by Anonymous Coward · 2000-05-19 20:38 · Score: 5 · on Oxford Yanks Student Page Over Spoof DeCSS

and I'm asleep at the keyboard. Doh!

Oh well... here it is.
Add your own, and spread this far and wide:

This announcement brought to you by the DeCSS Polar Bear.

Time for Slashdot to take a stand... by Anonymous Coward · 2000-04-05 03:12 · Score: 4 · on MPAA Files Another Injunction Against 2600

The following is a list of all the mirrors from the 2600 site.

Time for Slashdot to take a stand... by Anonymous Coward · 2000-04-05 03:12 · Score: 4 · on MPAA Files Another Injunction Against 2600

The following is a list of all the mirrors from the 2600 site.

Mirror from 2600 - probably will be gone soon by Anonymous Coward · 2000-01-20 09:36 · Score: 0 · on MPAA Sending Out DMCA Demand Letters

Mirrors

http://www.multimania.com/sxpert/decss/

http://www.posexperts.com.pl/peopl e/wrobell/css/

http://www.koek.net/dvd

http://logical-solutions.com.au/DeCSS.zip

http://www.sarahandcasey.com/decss/

http://www.fsp.com

http://www.warren-wilson.edu/~echerry/dvd

http://people.mn.mediaone.net/bojay/s lashdot/

http://www.mafkees.com/dvd

http://members.tripod.com/donotsueme/

http://donotsueme.homepage.com

http://donotsueme.freeservers.com/

http://www.rz.uni-frankfurt.de/~marsie/

http://dB.org/dvd/

http://dcwi.com/~wench/decss

http://www.capital.net/~mazzic

http://dvdcss.newmail.ru

http://www.subcor.com

http://www.frankw.net/decss

http://danger-island.com/~dav/any.lawyer.who [...]

http://www.fortunecity.com/vi ctorian/parkwood/95/DVD/

http://www.asleep.net/dvd

http://members.xoom.com/NiKeX

http://www.geocit ies.com/ResearchTriangle/Station/2819/index.html

http://www.execpc.com/~unicorn/dvdmirr or.htm

http://members.xoom.com/chapter3/Mamma No.htm

http://www.twistedlogic.com/archive/dvd

http://wiw.org/~drz/css/

http://merlinjim.freeservers.com/dvd/

http://www.visi.com/~adept/liberty

http://mikedotd.penguinpowered.com/deccs

http://www.ct2600.org/2600-DVD.html

http://magic.hurrah.com/~fireball/dvd/

http://homepages.together.net/~ib nzahid/DeCSS.zip

http://www.save2600.8m.com

http://people.ne.mediaone.net/dantepsn/

http://mikedotd.penguinpowered.com/decss

http://members.xoom.com/mxpxguy/dvd/

http://decss.fall0ut.com

http://vedaa.tripod.com/decss.html

http://members.xoom.com/iox

http://www.hackunlimited.com/dvd/

http://hem.fyristorg.com/police/css.htm

http://elknews.netpedia.net/dvd/

http://www.idrive.com/decss/web

http://www.chello.nl/~f.vanwaveren

http://quintessenz.at/q

http://www.clug.com/~vodak/dvd/

http://www.nacs.net/~vodak/dvd/

http://ny2600.iwarp.com

http://www.wpi.edu/~nassar/dvd/

http://www.glue.umd.edu/~castongj

http://www.geocities.com/cold_dvd/

http://www.projectgamma.com/deccs/

http://members.xoom.com/mogreen/decss/

http://thrash.webjump.com/decss.zip

http://www.angelfire.com/de2/decss/dec ss.htm

http://www.krackdown.com/decss

http://www.ithink.org/dvd/

http://www.fortunecit y.com/skyscraper/motorola/1415/decss.htm

http://chaz.fsgs.com/misc/DvD/

http://www.linuxstart.com/~kv ance/projects/decss.html

http://www.darkkingz.com/DeCSS.zip

http://come.to/intelex

http://ebmedia.net/dvd/

http://www.geocities.com/decss_forever/

http://revolution.3-cities.com/~spack/dv d/

http://www.geocities.com/Sili conValley/Software/8762/

http://members.xoom.com/s_o_sam/help.html

http://www.vexed.net/CSS/

http://smokering.org

http://www.sent.freeserve.co.uk/css -auth.tar.gz

http://home.rmci.net/bert/fuckthelawyers

http://dlsf.org

http://home.rmci.net/bert/dvd

http://thrash.webjump.com/decss.zip

http://linux.uci.agh.edu.pl/~outlaw/ decss.html

http://debian.mps.krakow.pl/mirror/css/

http://www.mindspring.com/~stonethrower

http://www.geocitie s.com/SiliconValley/Hardware/6188/index.html

http://matt.frogspace.net/css/

ftp://www.spamshack.net/pub/dcss/

http://werewolf12.cjb.net

http://isupport2600.8m.com

http://imezok.tripod.com/Untitled.txt

http://warpedreality.members.easyspace. com/

http://w1.1634.telia.com/~u163400190 /DeCSS.zip

http://ts1.online.fr/dvd/

http://homepages.go.com/homepage s/4/0/3/403_error/

http://members.xoom.com/maud123/Home/C SS.htm

http://xtreme2k.8k.com/DeCSS

http://hackingdvd.homestead.com

http://www.geocities.com/soho /studios/6752/index.html

http://www.geocities.com/corporatemin dcontrol

http://darklord.darkthrone.com/user s/smith/dvd/

http://thrash.webjump.com/decss.zip

http://www.twistedlogic.com/archive/dvd

http://www.image.dk/~mbp

http://www.divisionbyzero.com/decss/

http://decss.cx

http://kevins.ne.mediaone.net/~kevins/dv d/

http://friko6.onet.pl/war/mkochano/

http://planeta.clix.pt/DJ_AmAzInG/DVD/

http://noc.res.cmu.edu

http://www.kiss.uni-lj.si/~k4ef1890/css/

http://hackingdvd.homestead.com

http://www.uwm.edu/~zachkarp/index.html

http://st-bart.net

http://decss_files.tripod.com

http://wakeupthe.net/dvd/

http://www.angelfire.com/punk/freedom/

http://www.corova.com/dvd/

http://2600.dk/mirrors/css/

http://dvdcrack.homepage.com

http://www.copkiller.org

http://www.worldcity.nl/~frank/dvd

http://members.xoom.com/iamkeenan/master/

http://www.adulation.net/css/

http://homepage.interacces s.com/~mycroft/decss/DeCSS.zip

http://underground.pl/dvd/

http://members.xoom.com/nyc2600

http://zerosoft.hypermart.net/warez/ DVDcrK.txt

http://www.deforest.org/CSS

http://members.xoom.com/freedvdinfo/

http://www.geocities.com/Sili conValley/Software/3971/

http://24.114.168.235/public/css.htm

http://fairuse.freeservers.com/

http://jupiter.spaceports.com/~decss

http://www.c0ke.com/DVD

http://2600.bigfuc.com

http://www.crosswinds.net/oakland/~ahrendt/Lawyers _are_scu m-sucking_pigs [...]

http://sdf.lonestar.org/~egg/

http://cssalgorithm.8m.com

http://www.duffbrew.com/decss/

http://heavymusic.8m.com

http://www.oblivion.net/~amar/css

http://www.charm.net/~dutch

http://members.tripod.com/ny2600/

http://www.angelfire.com/ny3/ny2600/

go.to/nairos

http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/decs s/

http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/dvd.htm

http://theannux.homestead.com/decss.html

http://members.aol.com/elktonstalkers/CS S/

http://pages.hotbot.com/edu/silex/mir ror.html

http://budsmoker.com/sites/decss/

http://www.geocities.com/watice2/

http://home.att.net /~phreakonaleash/ccs_mirror--screw_the_feds/

http://DECSS-Baby.tripod.com/

http://decss.cyvoid.net

http://www.azillionmonkeys.c om/qed/recess_for_css.html

http://www.reapers.org

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS

http://www.halma.nl/~bb

http://supportyourlocal2600.homestead.co m/

http://www.angelfire.com/pe/sh3/deccs/

http://www.angelfire.com/el ectronic/icebandits/dvd.html

http://killer.radom.net/~shoggoth/dvd.ht ml

http://www3.50megs.com/dvd4free/

http://www.angelfire.com/ak2/a ntigovernment/css.html

http://dbzauctions.tripod.com/decss.zip

Mirror from 2600 - probably will be gone soon by Anonymous Coward · 2000-01-20 09:36 · Score: 0 · on MPAA Sending Out DMCA Demand Letters

Mirrors

http://www.multimania.com/sxpert/decss/

http://www.posexperts.com.pl/peopl e/wrobell/css/

http://www.koek.net/dvd

http://logical-solutions.com.au/DeCSS.zip

http://www.sarahandcasey.com/decss/

http://www.fsp.com

http://www.warren-wilson.edu/~echerry/dvd

http://people.mn.mediaone.net/bojay/s lashdot/

http://www.mafkees.com/dvd

http://members.tripod.com/donotsueme/

http://donotsueme.homepage.com

http://donotsueme.freeservers.com/

http://www.rz.uni-frankfurt.de/~marsie/

http://dB.org/dvd/

http://dcwi.com/~wench/decss

http://www.capital.net/~mazzic

http://dvdcss.newmail.ru

http://www.subcor.com

http://www.frankw.net/decss

http://danger-island.com/~dav/any.lawyer.who [...]

http://www.fortunecity.com/vi ctorian/parkwood/95/DVD/

http://www.asleep.net/dvd

http://members.xoom.com/NiKeX

http://www.geocit ies.com/ResearchTriangle/Station/2819/index.html

http://www.execpc.com/~unicorn/dvdmirr or.htm

http://members.xoom.com/chapter3/Mamma No.htm

http://www.twistedlogic.com/archive/dvd

http://wiw.org/~drz/css/

http://merlinjim.freeservers.com/dvd/

http://www.visi.com/~adept/liberty

http://mikedotd.penguinpowered.com/deccs

http://www.ct2600.org/2600-DVD.html

http://magic.hurrah.com/~fireball/dvd/

http://homepages.together.net/~ib nzahid/DeCSS.zip

http://www.save2600.8m.com

http://people.ne.mediaone.net/dantepsn/

http://mikedotd.penguinpowered.com/decss

http://members.xoom.com/mxpxguy/dvd/

http://decss.fall0ut.com

http://vedaa.tripod.com/decss.html

http://members.xoom.com/iox

http://www.hackunlimited.com/dvd/

http://hem.fyristorg.com/police/css.htm

http://elknews.netpedia.net/dvd/

http://www.idrive.com/decss/web

http://www.chello.nl/~f.vanwaveren

http://quintessenz.at/q

http://www.clug.com/~vodak/dvd/

http://www.nacs.net/~vodak/dvd/

http://ny2600.iwarp.com

http://www.wpi.edu/~nassar/dvd/

http://www.glue.umd.edu/~castongj

http://www.geocities.com/cold_dvd/

http://www.projectgamma.com/deccs/

http://members.xoom.com/mogreen/decss/

http://thrash.webjump.com/decss.zip

http://www.angelfire.com/de2/decss/dec ss.htm

http://www.krackdown.com/decss

http://www.ithink.org/dvd/

http://www.fortunecit y.com/skyscraper/motorola/1415/decss.htm

http://chaz.fsgs.com/misc/DvD/

http://www.linuxstart.com/~kv ance/projects/decss.html

http://www.darkkingz.com/DeCSS.zip

http://come.to/intelex

http://ebmedia.net/dvd/

http://www.geocities.com/decss_forever/

http://revolution.3-cities.com/~spack/dv d/

http://www.geocities.com/Sili conValley/Software/8762/

http://members.xoom.com/s_o_sam/help.html

http://www.vexed.net/CSS/

http://smokering.org

http://www.sent.freeserve.co.uk/css -auth.tar.gz

http://home.rmci.net/bert/fuckthelawyers

http://dlsf.org

http://home.rmci.net/bert/dvd

http://thrash.webjump.com/decss.zip

http://linux.uci.agh.edu.pl/~outlaw/ decss.html

http://debian.mps.krakow.pl/mirror/css/

http://www.mindspring.com/~stonethrower

http://www.geocitie s.com/SiliconValley/Hardware/6188/index.html

http://matt.frogspace.net/css/

ftp://www.spamshack.net/pub/dcss/

http://werewolf12.cjb.net

http://isupport2600.8m.com

http://imezok.tripod.com/Untitled.txt

http://warpedreality.members.easyspace. com/

http://w1.1634.telia.com/~u163400190 /DeCSS.zip

http://ts1.online.fr/dvd/

http://homepages.go.com/homepage s/4/0/3/403_error/

http://members.xoom.com/maud123/Home/C SS.htm

http://xtreme2k.8k.com/DeCSS

http://hackingdvd.homestead.com

http://www.geocities.com/soho /studios/6752/index.html

http://www.geocities.com/corporatemin dcontrol

http://darklord.darkthrone.com/user s/smith/dvd/

http://thrash.webjump.com/decss.zip

http://www.twistedlogic.com/archive/dvd

http://www.image.dk/~mbp

http://www.divisionbyzero.com/decss/

http://decss.cx

http://kevins.ne.mediaone.net/~kevins/dv d/

http://friko6.onet.pl/war/mkochano/

http://planeta.clix.pt/DJ_AmAzInG/DVD/

http://noc.res.cmu.edu

http://www.kiss.uni-lj.si/~k4ef1890/css/

http://hackingdvd.homestead.com

http://www.uwm.edu/~zachkarp/index.html

http://st-bart.net

http://decss_files.tripod.com

http://wakeupthe.net/dvd/

http://www.angelfire.com/punk/freedom/

http://www.corova.com/dvd/

http://2600.dk/mirrors/css/

http://dvdcrack.homepage.com

http://www.copkiller.org

http://www.worldcity.nl/~frank/dvd

http://members.xoom.com/iamkeenan/master/

http://www.adulation.net/css/

http://homepage.interacces s.com/~mycroft/decss/DeCSS.zip

http://underground.pl/dvd/

http://members.xoom.com/nyc2600

http://zerosoft.hypermart.net/warez/ DVDcrK.txt

http://www.deforest.org/CSS

http://members.xoom.com/freedvdinfo/

http://www.geocities.com/Sili conValley/Software/3971/

http://24.114.168.235/public/css.htm

http://fairuse.freeservers.com/

http://jupiter.spaceports.com/~decss

http://www.c0ke.com/DVD

http://2600.bigfuc.com

http://www.crosswinds.net/oakland/~ahrendt/Lawyers _are_scu m-sucking_pigs [...]

http://sdf.lonestar.org/~egg/

http://cssalgorithm.8m.com

http://www.duffbrew.com/decss/

http://heavymusic.8m.com

http://www.oblivion.net/~amar/css

http://www.charm.net/~dutch

http://members.tripod.com/ny2600/

http://www.angelfire.com/ny3/ny2600/

go.to/nairos

http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/decs s/

http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/dvd.htm

http://theannux.homestead.com/decss.html

http://members.aol.com/elktonstalkers/CS S/

http://pages.hotbot.com/edu/silex/mir ror.html

http://budsmoker.com/sites/decss/

http://www.geocities.com/watice2/

http://home.att.net /~phreakonaleash/ccs_mirror--screw_the_feds/

http://DECSS-Baby.tripod.com/

http://decss.cyvoid.net

http://www.azillionmonkeys.c om/qed/recess_for_css.html

http://www.reapers.org

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS

http://www.halma.nl/~bb

http://supportyourlocal2600.homestead.co m/

http://www.angelfire.com/pe/sh3/deccs/

http://www.angelfire.com/el ectronic/icebandits/dvd.html

http://killer.radom.net/~shoggoth/dvd.ht ml

http://www3.50megs.com/dvd4free/

http://www.angelfire.com/ak2/a ntigovernment/css.html

http://dbzauctions.tripod.com/decss.zip

Mirrors part 1 by Anonymous Coward · 2000-01-19 02:42 · Score: 0 · on Corel Draw 9 for Linux Needs Beta Testers

Visit Humpin! (No, it's not what you think!)

Temporary restraining order DENIED!

Thanks to the efforts of the Electronic Frontier Foundation and the organization and support provided by a few of our fellow defendants we are still here! Another hearing is scheduled for January 14th.

We would like to point out to all of the mirror sites with things like "fuck the lawyers" on them that it is because of a generous group of lawyers that we are still here. These lawyers are working for free (or much less than they could get by going over to the Dark Side) and don't deserve this kind of abuse.

Here is the EFF's stance on this case.

Save a copy of this web page now!

We have just been informed that the DVD Copy Control Association is seeking a restraining order against us (named as "Doe 28") for distributing DeCSS and linking to pages that distribute it and linking to pages that link to pages that distribute it.

Section 48 of this request states that we supposedly "have received notice through the MPA and refused to remove the information at issue". This is absolutely false! We have never received any such request (from the MPA or anybody else for that matter) and we obviously were not given the opportunity to refuse! Either Jared Bobrow needs to go back to law school or the DVD CCA needs to get a new firm. This is the kind of sloppy work that could get an important document thrown out.

Here is a 2600 story on this.

Explanation on legality of this information

The software (source as well as binaries) offered on this site can be freely redistributed because it was published under the GNU General Public License. The purpose of this software is not illegal copying of DVD disks. It is meant to provide information necessary to be able to program a DVD player for Linux. To do this, the CSS system needs to be incorporated in the player. Recently the (very weak) DVD content scrambling system was deciphered, freeing the way for a Linux DVD player. The CSS system is not a copy protection system, since it does not prevent copying of the disk. Writing information about the way an encryption scheme functions is completely legal. The source code and binaries on this site are completely legal too, since they contain no code from the DVD consortium or its members. The sources and programs on this site were written by third parties using clean-room reverse engineering methods which are (ready?) completly legal.

Attention www.rhythm.cx was hosting a list of mirrors for these files. That list of mirrors has been replaced with a page reading "This site has been taken down for legal reasons." Here's what the maintainer put on the site the day it was shut down:

NOTE (Thu, Nov 11, 12:17pm EST): I've recently been informed that a law firm which is likely to be one that would try get these mirrors taken down has been visiting this mirror site as well as others. With that said, there is a possibility that I may have to remove this site in the near future because like everyone else, I can't afford to go to court to fight it. Luckly, it seems fairly unlikely that any law firm will ever be able to get rid of all these mirrors at this point (there are currently 41 in 8 different countries and this list is growing every day). However, I have only seen very few mirror _lists_ like this one anyplace. If anyone has the resources, it might be wise to mirror this list of mirrors as well so that the right people will still know that these mirrors exist.

Here is a 2600 story with more details on how rhythm.cx was shut down.

Current Mirrors Last updated: Wed, Jan 19, 12:13am EST
Numbers are only for the maintainer's convenience

We apologize for the length of time between updates. This list has gotten quite large and thus more difficult to maintain.

Much thanks to this site for listing mirrors of the mirror lists.

Mirrors part 1 by Anonymous Coward · 2000-01-19 02:42 · Score: 0 · on Corel Draw 9 for Linux Needs Beta Testers

Visit Humpin! (No, it's not what you think!)

Temporary restraining order DENIED!

Thanks to the efforts of the Electronic Frontier Foundation and the organization and support provided by a few of our fellow defendants we are still here! Another hearing is scheduled for January 14th.

We would like to point out to all of the mirror sites with things like "fuck the lawyers" on them that it is because of a generous group of lawyers that we are still here. These lawyers are working for free (or much less than they could get by going over to the Dark Side) and don't deserve this kind of abuse.

Here is the EFF's stance on this case.

Save a copy of this web page now!

We have just been informed that the DVD Copy Control Association is seeking a restraining order against us (named as "Doe 28") for distributing DeCSS and linking to pages that distribute it and linking to pages that link to pages that distribute it.

Section 48 of this request states that we supposedly "have received notice through the MPA and refused to remove the information at issue". This is absolutely false! We have never received any such request (from the MPA or anybody else for that matter) and we obviously were not given the opportunity to refuse! Either Jared Bobrow needs to go back to law school or the DVD CCA needs to get a new firm. This is the kind of sloppy work that could get an important document thrown out.

Here is a 2600 story on this.

Explanation on legality of this information

The software (source as well as binaries) offered on this site can be freely redistributed because it was published under the GNU General Public License. The purpose of this software is not illegal copying of DVD disks. It is meant to provide information necessary to be able to program a DVD player for Linux. To do this, the CSS system needs to be incorporated in the player. Recently the (very weak) DVD content scrambling system was deciphered, freeing the way for a Linux DVD player. The CSS system is not a copy protection system, since it does not prevent copying of the disk. Writing information about the way an encryption scheme functions is completely legal. The source code and binaries on this site are completely legal too, since they contain no code from the DVD consortium or its members. The sources and programs on this site were written by third parties using clean-room reverse engineering methods which are (ready?) completly legal.

Attention www.rhythm.cx was hosting a list of mirrors for these files. That list of mirrors has been replaced with a page reading "This site has been taken down for legal reasons." Here's what the maintainer put on the site the day it was shut down:

NOTE (Thu, Nov 11, 12:17pm EST): I've recently been informed that a law firm which is likely to be one that would try get these mirrors taken down has been visiting this mirror site as well as others. With that said, there is a possibility that I may have to remove this site in the near future because like everyone else, I can't afford to go to court to fight it. Luckly, it seems fairly unlikely that any law firm will ever be able to get rid of all these mirrors at this point (there are currently 41 in 8 different countries and this list is growing every day). However, I have only seen very few mirror _lists_ like this one anyplace. If anyone has the resources, it might be wise to mirror this list of mirrors as well so that the right people will still know that these mirrors exist.

Here is a 2600 story with more details on how rhythm.cx was shut down.

Current Mirrors Last updated: Wed, Jan 19, 12:13am EST
Numbers are only for the maintainer's convenience

We apologize for the length of time between updates. This list has gotten quite large and thus more difficult to maintain.

Much thanks to this site for listing mirrors of the mirror lists.

Mirrors part 1 by Anonymous Coward · 2000-01-16 07:10 · Score: 0 · on New DVD Lawsuits Filed by the MPAA (UPDATED)

Note: This mirror list has been copied from http://www.humpin.org/decss/, on January 2nd 2000 13:13 GMT

Mirrors since 28-Dec-99 added by me.
To my main DVD page (containing list of lists of mirrors) Visit Humpin! (No, it's not what you think!)

Temporary restraining order DENIED!

Thanks to the efforts of the Electronic Frontier Foundation and the organization and support provided by a few of our fellow defendants we are still here! Another hearing is scheduled for January 14th.

We would like to point out to all of the mirror sites with things like "fuck the lawyers" on them that it is because of a generous group of lawyers that we are still here. These lawyers are working for free (or much less than they could get by going over to the Dark Side) and don't deserve this kind of abuse.

Here is the EFF's stance on this case.
If you need a REAL reason to host these files, try reading this. Truth has never been more purely distilled.

Save a copy of this web page now!

We have just been informed that the DVD Copy Control Association is seeking a restraining order against us (named as "Doe 28") for distributing DeCSS and linking to pages that distribute it and linking to pages that link to pages that distribute it.

Section 48 of this request states that we supposedly "have received notice through the MPA and refused to remove the information at issue". This is absolutely false! We have never received any such request (from the MPA or anybody else for that matter) and we obviously were not given the opportunity to refuse! Either Jared Bobrow needs to go back to law school or the DVD CCA needs to get a new firm. This is the kind of sloppy work that could get an important document thrown out.

Here is a 2600 story on this.

Explanation on legality of this information

The software (source as well as binaries) offered on this site can be freely redistributed because it was published under the GNU General Public License. The purpose of this software is not illegal copying of DVD disks. It is meant to provide information necessary to be able to program a DVD player for Linux. To do this, the CSS system needs to be incorporated in the player. Recently the (very weak) DVD content scrambling system was deciphered, freeing the way for a Linux DVD player. The CSS system is not a copy protection system, since it does not prevent copying of the disk. Writing information about the way an encryption scheme functions is completely legal. The source code and binaries on this site are completely legal too, since they contain no code from the DVD consortium or its members. The sources and programs on this site were written by third parties using clean-room reverse engineering methods which are (ready?) completly legal.

Attention www.rhythm.cx was hosting a list of mirrors for these files. That list of mirrors has been replaced with a page reading "This site has been taken down for legal reasons." Here's what the maintainer put on the site the day it was shut down:

NOTE (Thu, Nov 11, 12:17pm EST): I've recently been informed that a law firm which is likely to be one that would try get these mirrors taken down has been visiting this mirror site as well as others. With that said, there is a possibility that I may have to remove this site in the near future because like everyone else, I can't afford to go to court to fight it. Luckly, it seems fairly unlikely that any law firm will ever be able to get rid of all these mirrors at this point (there are currently 41 in 8 different countries and this list is growing every day). However, I have only seen very few mirror _lists_ like this one anyplace. If anyone has the resources, it might be wise to mirror this list of mirrors as well so that the right people will still know that these mirrors exist.

Here is a 2600 story with more details on how rhythm.cx was shut down.

Current Mirrors Last updated: Fri, Dec 31, 8:18pm EST
Numbers are only for the maintainer's convenience

Much thanks to this site for listing mirrors of the mirror lists.

Mirrors part 1 by Anonymous Coward · 2000-01-16 07:10 · Score: 0 · on New DVD Lawsuits Filed by the MPAA (UPDATED)

Note: This mirror list has been copied from http://www.humpin.org/decss/, on January 2nd 2000 13:13 GMT

Mirrors since 28-Dec-99 added by me.
To my main DVD page (containing list of lists of mirrors) Visit Humpin! (No, it's not what you think!)

Temporary restraining order DENIED!

Thanks to the efforts of the Electronic Frontier Foundation and the organization and support provided by a few of our fellow defendants we are still here! Another hearing is scheduled for January 14th.

We would like to point out to all of the mirror sites with things like "fuck the lawyers" on them that it is because of a generous group of lawyers that we are still here. These lawyers are working for free (or much less than they could get by going over to the Dark Side) and don't deserve this kind of abuse.

Here is the EFF's stance on this case.
If you need a REAL reason to host these files, try reading this. Truth has never been more purely distilled.

Save a copy of this web page now!

We have just been informed that the DVD Copy Control Association is seeking a restraining order against us (named as "Doe 28") for distributing DeCSS and linking to pages that distribute it and linking to pages that link to pages that distribute it.

Section 48 of this request states that we supposedly "have received notice through the MPA and refused to remove the information at issue". This is absolutely false! We have never received any such request (from the MPA or anybody else for that matter) and we obviously were not given the opportunity to refuse! Either Jared Bobrow needs to go back to law school or the DVD CCA needs to get a new firm. This is the kind of sloppy work that could get an important document thrown out.

Here is a 2600 story on this.

Explanation on legality of this information

The software (source as well as binaries) offered on this site can be freely redistributed because it was published under the GNU General Public License. The purpose of this software is not illegal copying of DVD disks. It is meant to provide information necessary to be able to program a DVD player for Linux. To do this, the CSS system needs to be incorporated in the player. Recently the (very weak) DVD content scrambling system was deciphered, freeing the way for a Linux DVD player. The CSS system is not a copy protection system, since it does not prevent copying of the disk. Writing information about the way an encryption scheme functions is completely legal. The source code and binaries on this site are completely legal too, since they contain no code from the DVD consortium or its members. The sources and programs on this site were written by third parties using clean-room reverse engineering methods which are (ready?) completly legal.

Attention www.rhythm.cx was hosting a list of mirrors for these files. That list of mirrors has been replaced with a page reading "This site has been taken down for legal reasons." Here's what the maintainer put on the site the day it was shut down:

NOTE (Thu, Nov 11, 12:17pm EST): I've recently been informed that a law firm which is likely to be one that would try get these mirrors taken down has been visiting this mirror site as well as others. With that said, there is a possibility that I may have to remove this site in the near future because like everyone else, I can't afford to go to court to fight it. Luckly, it seems fairly unlikely that any law firm will ever be able to get rid of all these mirrors at this point (there are currently 41 in 8 different countries and this list is growing every day). However, I have only seen very few mirror _lists_ like this one anyplace. If anyone has the resources, it might be wise to mirror this list of mirrors as well so that the right people will still know that these mirrors exist.

Here is a 2600 story with more details on how rhythm.cx was shut down.

Current Mirrors Last updated: Fri, Dec 31, 8:18pm EST
Numbers are only for the maintainer's convenience

Much thanks to this site for listing mirrors of the mirror lists.

OOPS - Trying Humpin list again by Anonymous Coward · 1999-12-30 11:08 · Score: 0 · on DVD Hearing Victory: We Won - For Now

You have one bat and there are 100 million holes Visit Humpin! (No, it's not what you think!)

Temporary restraining order DENIED!

Thanks to the efforts of the Electronic Frontier Foundation and the organization and support provided by a few of our fellow defendants we are still here! Another hearing is scheduled for January 14th.

We would like to point out to all of the mirror sites with things like "fuck the lawyers" on them that it is because of a generous group of lawyers that we are still here. These lawyers are working for free (or much less than they could get by going over to the Dark Side) and don't deserve this kind of abuse.

Here is the EFF's stance on this case.
If you need a REAL reason to host these files, try reading this. Truth has never been more purely distilled.

Save a copy of this web page now!

We have just been informed that the DVD Copy Control Association is seeking a restraining order against us (named as "Doe 28") for distributing DeCSS and linking to pages that distribute it and linking to pages that link to pages that distribute it.

Section 48 of this request states that we supposedly "have received notice through the MPA and refused to remove the information at issue". This is absolutely false! We have never received any such request (from the MPA or anybody else for that matter) and we obviously were not given the opportunity to refuse! Either Jared Bobrow needs to go back to law school or the DVD CCA needs to get a new firm. This is the kind of sloppy work that could get an important document thrown out.

Here is a 2600 story on this.

Explanation on legality of this information

The software (source as well as binaries) offered on this site can be freely redistributed because it was published under the GNU General Public License. The purpose of this software is not illegal copying of DVD disks. It is meant to provide information necessary to be able to program a DVD player for Linux. To do this, the CSS system needs to be incorporated in the player. Recently the (very weak) DVD content scrambling system was deciphered, freeing the way for a Linux DVD player. The CSS system is not a copy protection system, since it does not prevent copying of the disk. Writing information about the way an encryption scheme functions is completely legal. The source code and binaries on this site are completely legal too, since they contain no code from the DVD consortium or its members. The sources and programs on this site were written by third parties using clean-room reverse engineering methods which are (ready?) completly legal.

Attention www.rhythm.cx was hosting a list of mirrors for these files. That list of mirrors has been replaced with a page reading "This site has been taken down for legal reasons." Here's what the maintainer put on the site the day it was shut down:

NOTE (Thu, Nov 11, 12:17pm EST): I've recently been informed that a law firm which is likely to be one that would try get these mirrors taken down has been visiting this mirror site as well as others. With that said, there is a possibility that I may have to remove this site in the near future because like everyone else, I can't afford to go to court to fight it. Luckly, it seems fairly unlikely that any law firm will ever be able to get rid of all these mirrors at this point (there are currently 41 in 8 different countries and this list is growing every day). However, I have only seen very few mirror _lists_ like this one anyplace. If anyone has the resources, it might be wise to mirror this list of mirrors as well so that the right people will still know that these mirrors exist.

Here is a 2600 story with more details on how rhythm.cx was shut down.

Current Mirrors Last updated: Thu, Dec 30, 2:55am EST
Numbers are only for the maintainer's convenience

Much thanks to this site for listing mirrors of the mirror lists.

This site contains some good technical documentation as well as more source code that the DVD consorium's lawyers would rather you not see:
http://crypto.gq.nu/

Semi-broken Mirrors
(These mirrors sometimes work and sometimes don't)
http://joe.to/storage/files/decss.zip
ftp://eris.giga.or.at/pub/hacker/crypt/ DVD/
http://gullii.stu.rpi.edu/dvd/files/D eCSS.zip and http://gullii.stu.rpi.edu/dvd/f iles/css-auth.tar.gz
http://www.discordia.de/decss/DeCSS.zip and http://www.discordia.de/decss/css-aut h_tar.gz and http://www.discordia.de/decss/LiVid.tgz

Broken Mirrors
(These are listed here for the notification of the people who run them)
http://members.theglobe.com/avoiderman/css-auth.ta r.gz
ftp://mikpos.dyndns.org/pub/cssdvd.zip
ftp://195.115.63.44/pub/DeCSS.zip
http://home.c2i.net/buddha9/
http://frodo.campus.luth.se/~iocc/tip.html
http://home.t-online.de/home/skinner01/decss.zip
ftp://ftp.firehead.org/pub/
http://freeweb.digiweb.com/business/avoiderman/
http://www.hack.b3.nu/

Mirrors shut down by The Man
(A moment of silence, please.)
http://www.rhythm.cx/dvd/css-auth.tar.gz and http://www.rhythm.cx/dvd/DeCSS.zip
http://dvdcracked.tvheaven.com/index.html
http://home.worldonline.dk/~andersa/download/DeCSS .zip
http://download.cnet.com/downloads/0-10079-100-143 3209.html?tag=st.dl.10001_104_3.lst.titl edetail
http://www.theresistance.net/files.html
http://cryptome.org/dvd-css.htm
http://www.d.umn.edu/~dchan/css/
http://caspian.twu.net/dvd/
http://mclaughlin.orange.ca.us/~andrew/
ftp://134.173.94.44

OOPS - Trying Humpin list again by Anonymous Coward · 1999-12-30 11:08 · Score: 0 · on DVD Hearing Victory: We Won - For Now

You have one bat and there are 100 million holes Visit Humpin! (No, it's not what you think!)

Temporary restraining order DENIED!

Thanks to the efforts of the Electronic Frontier Foundation and the organization and support provided by a few of our fellow defendants we are still here! Another hearing is scheduled for January 14th.

We would like to point out to all of the mirror sites with things like "fuck the lawyers" on them that it is because of a generous group of lawyers that we are still here. These lawyers are working for free (or much less than they could get by going over to the Dark Side) and don't deserve this kind of abuse.

Here is the EFF's stance on this case.
If you need a REAL reason to host these files, try reading this. Truth has never been more purely distilled.

Save a copy of this web page now!

We have just been informed that the DVD Copy Control Association is seeking a restraining order against us (named as "Doe 28") for distributing DeCSS and linking to pages that distribute it and linking to pages that link to pages that distribute it.

Section 48 of this request states that we supposedly "have received notice through the MPA and refused to remove the information at issue". This is absolutely false! We have never received any such request (from the MPA or anybody else for that matter) and we obviously were not given the opportunity to refuse! Either Jared Bobrow needs to go back to law school or the DVD CCA needs to get a new firm. This is the kind of sloppy work that could get an important document thrown out.

Here is a 2600 story on this.

Explanation on legality of this information

The software (source as well as binaries) offered on this site can be freely redistributed because it was published under the GNU General Public License. The purpose of this software is not illegal copying of DVD disks. It is meant to provide information necessary to be able to program a DVD player for Linux. To do this, the CSS system needs to be incorporated in the player. Recently the (very weak) DVD content scrambling system was deciphered, freeing the way for a Linux DVD player. The CSS system is not a copy protection system, since it does not prevent copying of the disk. Writing information about the way an encryption scheme functions is completely legal. The source code and binaries on this site are completely legal too, since they contain no code from the DVD consortium or its members. The sources and programs on this site were written by third parties using clean-room reverse engineering methods which are (ready?) completly legal.

Attention www.rhythm.cx was hosting a list of mirrors for these files. That list of mirrors has been replaced with a page reading "This site has been taken down for legal reasons." Here's what the maintainer put on the site the day it was shut down:

NOTE (Thu, Nov 11, 12:17pm EST): I've recently been informed that a law firm which is likely to be one that would try get these mirrors taken down has been visiting this mirror site as well as others. With that said, there is a possibility that I may have to remove this site in the near future because like everyone else, I can't afford to go to court to fight it. Luckly, it seems fairly unlikely that any law firm will ever be able to get rid of all these mirrors at this point (there are currently 41 in 8 different countries and this list is growing every day). However, I have only seen very few mirror _lists_ like this one anyplace. If anyone has the resources, it might be wise to mirror this list of mirrors as well so that the right people will still know that these mirrors exist.

Here is a 2600 story with more details on how rhythm.cx was shut down.

Current Mirrors Last updated: Thu, Dec 30, 2:55am EST
Numbers are only for the maintainer's convenience

Much thanks to this site for listing mirrors of the mirror lists.

This site contains some good technical documentation as well as more source code that the DVD consorium's lawyers would rather you not see:
http://crypto.gq.nu/

Semi-broken Mirrors
(These mirrors sometimes work and sometimes don't)
http://joe.to/storage/files/decss.zip
ftp://eris.giga.or.at/pub/hacker/crypt/ DVD/
http://gullii.stu.rpi.edu/dvd/files/D eCSS.zip and http://gullii.stu.rpi.edu/dvd/f iles/css-auth.tar.gz
http://www.discordia.de/decss/DeCSS.zip and http://www.discordia.de/decss/css-aut h_tar.gz and http://www.discordia.de/decss/LiVid.tgz

Broken Mirrors
(These are listed here for the notification of the people who run them)
http://members.theglobe.com/avoiderman/css-auth.ta r.gz
ftp://mikpos.dyndns.org/pub/cssdvd.zip
ftp://195.115.63.44/pub/DeCSS.zip
http://home.c2i.net/buddha9/
http://frodo.campus.luth.se/~iocc/tip.html
http://home.t-online.de/home/skinner01/decss.zip
ftp://ftp.firehead.org/pub/
http://freeweb.digiweb.com/business/avoiderman/
http://www.hack.b3.nu/

Mirrors shut down by The Man
(A moment of silence, please.)
http://www.rhythm.cx/dvd/css-auth.tar.gz and http://www.rhythm.cx/dvd/DeCSS.zip
http://dvdcracked.tvheaven.com/index.html
http://home.worldonline.dk/~andersa/download/DeCSS .zip
http://download.cnet.com/downloads/0-10079-100-143 3209.html?tag=st.dl.10001_104_3.lst.titl edetail
http://www.theresistance.net/files.html
http://cryptome.org/dvd-css.htm
http://www.d.umn.edu/~dchan/css/
http://caspian.twu.net/dvd/
http://mclaughlin.orange.ca.us/~andrew/
ftp://134.173.94.44

Mirrors by Anonymous Coward · 1999-12-29 06:42 · Score: 0 · on DVD Hearing Today - Are You Ready to Rumble?

You have one bat and there are 100 million holes Visit Humpin! (No, it's not what you think!)

Save a copy of this web page now!

We have just been informed that the DVD Copy Control Association is seeking a restraining order against us (named as "Doe 28") for distributing DeCSS and linking to pages that distribute it and linking to pages that link to pages that distribute it.

Section 48 of this request states that we supposedly "have received notice through the MPA and refused to remove the information at issue". This is absolutely false! We have never received any such request (from the MPA or anybody else for that matter) and we obviously were not given the opportunity to refuse! Either Jared Bobrow needs to go back to law school or the DVD CCA needs to get a new firm. This is the kind of sloppy work that could get an important document thrown out.

Here is a 2600 story on this.

Explanation on legality of this information

The software (source as well as binaries) offered on this site can be freely redistributed because it was published under the GNU General Public License. The purpose of this software is not illegal copying of DVD disks. It is meant to provide information necessary to be able to program a DVD player for Linux. To do this, the CSS system needs to be incorporated in the player. Recently the (very weak) DVD content scrambling system was deciphered, freeing the way for a Linux DVD player. The CSS system is not a copy protection system, since it does not prevent copying of the disk. Writing information about the way an encryption scheme functions is completely legal. The source code and binaries on this site are completely legal too, since they contain no code from the DVD consortium or its members. The sources and programs on this site were written by third parties using clean-room reverse engineering methods which are (ready?) completly legal.

Attention www.rhythm.cx was hosting a list of mirrors for these files. That list of mirrors has been replaced with a page reading "This site has been taken down for legal reasons." Here's what the maintainer put on the site the day it was shut down:

NOTE (Thu, Nov 11, 12:17pm EST): I've recently been informed that a law firm which is likely to be one that would try get these mirrors taken down has been visiting this mirror site as well as others. With that said, there is a possibility that I may have to remove this site in the near future because like everyone else, I can't afford to go to court to fight it. Luckly, it seems fairly unlikely that any law firm will ever be able to get rid of all these mirrors at this point (there are currently 41 in 8 different countries and this list is growing every day). However, I have only seen very few mirror _lists_ like this one anyplace. If anyone has the resources, it might be wise to mirror this list of mirrors as well so that the right people will still know that these mirrors exist.

Here is a 2600 story with more details on how rhythm.cx was shut down.

Current Mirrors Last updated: Wed, Dec 29, 3:14pm EST
Numbers are only for the maintainer's convenience

Much thanks to this site for listing mirrors of the mirror lists.

This site contains some good technical documentation as well as more source code that the DVD consorium's lawyers would rather you not see:
http://crypto.gq.nu/

Semi-broken Mirrors
(These mirrors sometimes work and sometimes don't)
http://joe.to/storage/files/decss.zip
ftp://eris.giga.or.at/pub/hacker/crypt/ DVD/
http://gullii.stu.rpi.edu/dvd/files/D eCSS.zip and http://gullii.stu.rpi.edu/dvd/f iles/css-auth.tar.gz
http://www.discordia.de/decss/DeCSS.zip and http://www.discordia.de/decss/css-aut h_tar.gz and http://www.discordia.de/decss/LiVid.tgz

Broken Mirrors
(These are listed here for the notification of the people who run them)
http://members.theglobe.com/avoiderman/css-auth.ta r.gz
ftp://mikpos.dyndns.org/pub/cssdvd.zip
ftp://195.115.63.44/pub/DeCSS.zip
http://home.c2i.net/buddha9/
http://frodo.campus.luth.se/~iocc/tip.html
http://home.t-online.de/home/skinner01/decss.zip
ftp://ftp.firehead.org/pub/
http://freeweb.digiweb.com/business/avoiderman/
http://www.hack.b3.nu/

Mirrors shut down by The Man
(A moment of silence, please.)
http://www.rhythm.cx/dvd/css-auth.tar.gz and http://www.rhythm.cx/dvd/DeCSS.zip
http://dvdcracked.tvheaven.com/index.html
http://home.worldonline.dk/~andersa/download/DeCSS .zip
http://download.cnet.com/downloads/0-10079-100-143 3209.html?tag=st.dl.10001_104_3.lst.titl edetail
http://www.theresistance.net/files.html
http://cryptome.org/dvd-css.htm
http://www.d.umn.edu/~dchan/css/
http://caspian.twu.net/dvd/
http://mclaughlin.orange.ca.us/~andrew/
ftp://134.173.94.44

Mirrors by Anonymous Coward · 1999-12-29 06:42 · Score: 0 · on DVD Hearing Today - Are You Ready to Rumble?

You have one bat and there are 100 million holes Visit Humpin! (No, it's not what you think!)

Save a copy of this web page now!

We have just been informed that the DVD Copy Control Association is seeking a restraining order against us (named as "Doe 28") for distributing DeCSS and linking to pages that distribute it and linking to pages that link to pages that distribute it.

Section 48 of this request states that we supposedly "have received notice through the MPA and refused to remove the information at issue". This is absolutely false! We have never received any such request (from the MPA or anybody else for that matter) and we obviously were not given the opportunity to refuse! Either Jared Bobrow needs to go back to law school or the DVD CCA needs to get a new firm. This is the kind of sloppy work that could get an important document thrown out.

Here is a 2600 story on this.

Explanation on legality of this information

The software (source as well as binaries) offered on this site can be freely redistributed because it was published under the GNU General Public License. The purpose of this software is not illegal copying of DVD disks. It is meant to provide information necessary to be able to program a DVD player for Linux. To do this, the CSS system needs to be incorporated in the player. Recently the (very weak) DVD content scrambling system was deciphered, freeing the way for a Linux DVD player. The CSS system is not a copy protection system, since it does not prevent copying of the disk. Writing information about the way an encryption scheme functions is completely legal. The source code and binaries on this site are completely legal too, since they contain no code from the DVD consortium or its members. The sources and programs on this site were written by third parties using clean-room reverse engineering methods which are (ready?) completly legal.

Attention www.rhythm.cx was hosting a list of mirrors for these files. That list of mirrors has been replaced with a page reading "This site has been taken down for legal reasons." Here's what the maintainer put on the site the day it was shut down:

NOTE (Thu, Nov 11, 12:17pm EST): I've recently been informed that a law firm which is likely to be one that would try get these mirrors taken down has been visiting this mirror site as well as others. With that said, there is a possibility that I may have to remove this site in the near future because like everyone else, I can't afford to go to court to fight it. Luckly, it seems fairly unlikely that any law firm will ever be able to get rid of all these mirrors at this point (there are currently 41 in 8 different countries and this list is growing every day). However, I have only seen very few mirror _lists_ like this one anyplace. If anyone has the resources, it might be wise to mirror this list of mirrors as well so that the right people will still know that these mirrors exist.

Here is a 2600 story with more details on how rhythm.cx was shut down.

Current Mirrors Last updated: Wed, Dec 29, 3:14pm EST
Numbers are only for the maintainer's convenience

Much thanks to this site for listing mirrors of the mirror lists.

This site contains some good technical documentation as well as more source code that the DVD consorium's lawyers would rather you not see:
http://crypto.gq.nu/

Semi-broken Mirrors
(These mirrors sometimes work and sometimes don't)
http://joe.to/storage/files/decss.zip
ftp://eris.giga.or.at/pub/hacker/crypt/ DVD/
http://gullii.stu.rpi.edu/dvd/files/D eCSS.zip and http://gullii.stu.rpi.edu/dvd/f iles/css-auth.tar.gz
http://www.discordia.de/decss/DeCSS.zip and http://www.discordia.de/decss/css-aut h_tar.gz and http://www.discordia.de/decss/LiVid.tgz

Broken Mirrors
(These are listed here for the notification of the people who run them)
http://members.theglobe.com/avoiderman/css-auth.ta r.gz
ftp://mikpos.dyndns.org/pub/cssdvd.zip
ftp://195.115.63.44/pub/DeCSS.zip
http://home.c2i.net/buddha9/
http://frodo.campus.luth.se/~iocc/tip.html
http://home.t-online.de/home/skinner01/decss.zip
ftp://ftp.firehead.org/pub/
http://freeweb.digiweb.com/business/avoiderman/
http://www.hack.b3.nu/

Mirrors shut down by The Man
(A moment of silence, please.)
http://www.rhythm.cx/dvd/css-auth.tar.gz and http://www.rhythm.cx/dvd/DeCSS.zip
http://dvdcracked.tvheaven.com/index.html
http://home.worldonline.dk/~andersa/download/DeCSS .zip
http://download.cnet.com/downloads/0-10079-100-143 3209.html?tag=st.dl.10001_104_3.lst.titl edetail
http://www.theresistance.net/files.html
http://cryptome.org/dvd-css.htm
http://www.d.umn.edu/~dchan/css/
http://caspian.twu.net/dvd/
http://mclaughlin.orange.ca.us/~andrew/
ftp://134.173.94.44

Re:Why do you want to do this? by chromatic · 1999-11-22 08:32 · Score: 2 · on Nothing But Net - For Five Days

You can't expect someone to live only off the Internet. That's not how life was meant to be.

That's also not how the Internet was meant to be. You might as well ask someone to live only off of the telephone or the radio or the newspaper. Perhaps next month, the author will lock himself in a library and write about how it is hard to live there for a week.

It's not technology failing, it's people who fail to understand that technology is merely a tool who are failing.

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Re:Revenge of the hackers? by chromatic · 1999-11-22 00:21 · Score: 2 · on The Cathedral and the Bazaar

It was ESR's second essay in Open Sources, and you can read it here.

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KDE's Legacy? by chromatic · 1999-11-22 00:16 · Score: 3 · on Interview: Ask the KDE Developers

What do you think will be the most important legacy from the KDE project? A desktop environment? A framework for applications? KOffice? A bunch of little applications that make life easier (kppp comes to mind)?

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Dozing by chromatic · 1999-11-18 23:59 · Score: 2 · on Interview: Antitrust Experts Respond re MS

Even if Judge Jackson took a cat nap or two, he still had access to the court transcripts and all of the exhibits presented. Just think of it as reviewing someone else's notes before the big final.

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Performance by chromatic · 1999-11-18 05:14 · Score: 2 · on Carmack on the retail Quake3 for linux

I'm pleased with the performance. Even though the NVIDIA SVGA server only supports hardware acceleration with 16 bpp right now, q3test looks good and is very playable at 800x600.

Now I haven't seen the Windows version at all, let alone with a similar setup, and I haven't cared enough to measure framerates, but the only problems I've had with the demo are my rather poor ping times and my mediocre fragging abilities. (But I'm still better than Hemos.)

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TNT and Quake in Linux by chromatic · 1999-11-17 23:12 · Score: 1 · on Carmack on the retail Quake3 for linux

Grab the modified SVGA server from NVIDIA and run the little installation script.

Quake 2 looks good (in a window) and q3test looks great (full screen) with my TNT2 and XFree86 3.3.5. You'll probably also want to update your Mesa library. (I think I had to make a symbolic link to a slightly-modified libMesa, too.)

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Looking At It In Different Ways by chromatic · 1999-11-17 22:32 · Score: 2 · on Using Samba

I didn't think about it that way... My line of reasoning was that Samba allows you to replace a Windows server with a Unix box in an existing network.

If you have an existing network set up, your Windows clients are probably already configured. The assumption there is that anyone setting up Samba has already configured the clients for one server or another, and the configuration method is the same no matter what type of server they use. Of course, you can also set up a network from scratch, with absolutely no Windows servers, which renders that assumption invalid.

Thanks for the comment. Now I understand why that chapter was there!

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Freedom and MS Don't Exactly Coincide by chromatic · 1999-11-15 21:45 · Score: 2 · on Gore: White House May Get Involved in MS Settlement Talks

If you don't want the governement stepping in when Linux or BSD or whatever OS makes it's way to the top, then I highly suggest you support Microsoft in this struggle to free themselves from Government regulation.

I think not. Let me rephrase that and you'll see what I mean:

If you like companies breaking the law to increase their profits, stifle competition, and give consumers sub-optimal products, support Microsoft in this struggle to be free from Government regulation. That's the same kind of government regulation that says your car company can't make airbags that shoot metal spikes into your skull instead of nice, fluffy pillows.

Yeah, government sucks sometimes. However, that doesn't mean that it's not right once in a while. Anarchy ain't fun for long.

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The Divestiture of Technical Ability by chromatic · 1999-11-15 09:17 · Score: 2 · on Analyzing the Analysts

It's worse than that. Consider the MIS degree. It used to be that companies wanted technical people. Now they want people to manage technical people. Instead of hiring a good sysadmin, they'd rather hire someone to rent a sysadmin.

I suppose I shouldn't complain -- I wouldn't have my job if it weren't for A Big Company deciding that it is too expensive to hire people with technical skills. (Instead, it started a program with two additional layers of management and various contract negotiations and secretaries and the like.)

I wonder, though, if the desire to save quick cash is going to bite some of these companies on the backside when something goes wrong and no one has the foggiest clue how to fix it. Sucks to fire all of the network guys, eh? Sucks to pay me $2000 to show up, type in three commands, and spend the rest of the day at home, wondering how many people you could have hired at $25 an hour to catch these things before they happen.

The moral of the story? If you're renting brains to tell your company how to run its business, your company is in a heap of trouble. I'd short it.

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The "Things Have Changed" Defense by chromatic · 1999-11-14 23:30 · Score: 5 · on Interview: Ask Antitrust Experts About Microsoft

From a legal standpoint, can Microsoft point to such developments as the Sun/AOL/Netscape deal and the mainstream attention devoted to Linux and the BSDs and say, "Things move too fast and we're struggling to catch up" and avoid or beg down punishment?

Contrariwise, is the case focused only on what Microsoft has done in the past? Even if the company has broken the law, if it falls apart tomorrow, will it still be held responsible for its actions?

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Re:A question by chromatic · 1999-11-11 22:08 · Score: 2 · on The Latest Transmeta Rumor

There is a difference between hardware and software. Transmeta's patents all seem to cover hardware devices. I don't see a dilemma there (barring the question of the legitimacy of 'Intellectual Property').

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Re:The damage is done...years ago. by chromatic · 1999-11-09 03:22 · Score: 2 · on Microsoft To Go Straight to the Supreme Court?

Everybody who bought Microsoft products (from OEMs and partners to end users) did so by their own choice. If no one wanted microsoft products, no one is forced to buy them.

Missed Windows Refund Day, did you?

How about the story in my essay about the future of business software? One particular company with which I have a passing acquaintance had to purchase Office 2000 just to get one bug fix which prevented them from communicating with their business partners. (I supposed they weren't *forced* to do so, but the company did feel a need to stay in business. If you don't build anything to sell, you'll run out of money pretty quickly.)

Let's try an analogy -- 'everybody' bought petroleum distillates from 'Standard Oil' not because they all thought that it was the best deal, but because that is the only choice they could see. Sure, some people may have been able to drill in their backyards and set up a gasoline still, but did that work for most people?

No, Microsoft isn't in the business of saying 'buy this software or your dog gets it', but the company does behave in such a way to suggest, 'Nice company, pity if you can't read documents from anyone else.'

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Re:Giving software away by chromatic · 1999-11-08 10:03 · Score: 2 · on The Post-Microsoft Era

But does Microsoft have a monopoly on any software it gives away? The closest thing that comes to mind is special student pricing on Visual Studio products or the Office suite.

I suppose you could put educational donations on that short list... but that's not how Microsoft achieved the monopoly. In fact, reading the FoF, it appears that growing the user base of Internet Explorer required some quick and dirty deals with AOL.

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Building a Monopoly by chromatic · 1999-11-07 22:25 · Score: 1 · on The Post-Microsoft Era

Sorry, Jon, but Microsoft didn't become a monopoly by giving software away. It became a monopoly by making shrewd deals with computer manufacturers -- the same ones the Judge discussed as being rather unethical.

Unless you're talking about becoming a monopoly in the web browsing market (not the case), the web server market (not the case), the music software playing market (not the case), you're wrong. Microsoft has a monopoly in approximately none of the markets in which it has given away software. (Not that it hasn't tried....) Perhaps if Microsoft were truly innovative, things would be different.

Remember Windows refund day? There's the monopoly product.

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Re:Nice idea... but will it work? by chromatic · 1999-11-04 22:45 · Score: 1 · on More Info on Matrix Sequels

It's a fake rumor that never made it into the Quickies here... too obscure, I guess!

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Re:M$ would be out of business by chromatic · 1999-11-04 05:34 · Score: 1 · on Cybernetics Prof to Attempt Computer Control of Own Limbs

Don't be too hasty. I can barely achieve 16/7 uptime with the original wetware. Let's not talk about reliability, either.

insert smiley here

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Re:Nice idea... but will it work? by chromatic · 1999-11-03 23:09 · Score: 2 · on More Info on Matrix Sequels

You might say, he'd pretty much mastered that world.

The fake world, but not the real one. The rest of the story is how Neo (et al) do the same thing again where they don't have solipsistic abilities.

Besides that, I heard a rumor that Carrie-Ann Moss will not be playing Trinity.

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Changes by chromatic · 1999-10-31 23:29 · Score: 4 · on Interview: Query Queen Elizabeth II's Webmaster

If you could add or change three things about Linux to make your job easier or more enjoyable, what would they be?

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Does Windows 2000 Count? by chromatic · 1999-10-29 01:52 · Score: 1 · on Worlds Slowest NT Server

Remember when www.windows2000test.com first went public? How long did it take to come back up after the router got "hit by lightning"? Wasn't it almost three days?

Now how do I attach that Monty Python foot to this post...?

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One Stab at Theodicy by chromatic · 1999-10-27 22:46 · Score: 2 · on Knuth lectures on "God and Computers" Online

Let me preface this by saying it is merely a what-if exercise, since I have not studied studied theology in seminary. I did read a few philosophy books, though.

I would rephrase the first assumption of your point in the opposite direction: our moral system resembles God's character. That may be important. If we accept the idea that God did create the universe and the idea that creation reflects His nature, we come to the idea that physical laws (like gravity) and moral laws (like those against murder) are similar.

One might as well ask, "Why do I fall when I step off of my roof?", but that doesn't really help.

Another piece to consider is the concept of divine justice and mercy. If you believe that God is all-knowing and all-loving (presupposed here, supported and explained in another argument), His view of justice and mercy is greater (as in, not limited by a certain amount of time or in scope to only a certain amount of people). I hate to use the word 'ineffable', but I think we bump up against human limitations quickly when attempting to understand Someone purported to be much greater than we are.

Another idea is much simpler. Does God make anyone do anything? (This is different from the question "Can God make anyone do anything?") It comes back to the free will argument again. (Standard Christian reasoning goes that God did not want a race of robots who love and obey Him because they were 'programmed' to do so -- He would rather some chose to do so, knowing that some would not.)

The previous poster's mention of God's purpose may help explain the pattern you bring up. The question there is, "What is God's purpose in acting in the world? Is it to enforce a standard of morality or is it to find a way to bring humanity back into relationship with him?" Christianity chooses the latter as His primary purpose.

What would I pick as an acceptable answer out of these? I would say that God allows moral choice (knowing that some will choose to do evil) and allows the consequences of these actions. If you are to believe Christianity, one day all wrongs will be righted and justice will prevail (tempered with great mercy, if you also accept their anthropology).

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Space Elevator by chromatic · 1999-10-26 01:56 · Score: 2 · on Sir Arthur Speaks

Did anyone else think of Red Mars and start to worry about the idea of a Space Elevator? At least when a rocket explodes or a satellite orbit decays, it only ruins a small chunk of real estate.

Sure, it would be cool... but you won't catch me moving to the equator.

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Re:This is not a conspiracy theory by chromatic · 1999-10-25 21:52 · Score: 1 · on Practical Software Requirements

Hemos gave a fiction book a 4/10 a while ago... I don't remember what the book was, but he apparently didn't like it.

In my case, there are two things that come into play. First, I'm careful of the books I buy. Second, of those books I review, I try to decide the target audience and judge the book's effectiveness and appropriateness for that audience, even if I'm not normally someone who would read it.

Snow Crash? A best of genre book. 9.5/10.

Programming Web Graphics with Perl and GNU Software? A unique book with lots of interesting information, but limited to a particular audience. 8/10. (Most of the O'Reilly books I've read are 8 or better.)

I'm reading a Java 2 beginners book right now, and it won't be getting a glowing review.

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Don't forget about Education! by chromatic · 1999-10-25 00:46 · Score: 1 · on Onward, Christian Geeks

Might I bring to mind Gutenberg's printing press, created to print Bibles?

How about most of the major universities in Europe (and many Ivy League schools), set up to train preachers?

Don't forget the Celts storing and copying manuscripts centuries ago, as well as monks in various other monastaries... ask yourself why the Roman Catholic church performed the High Mass in Latin exclusively until Vatican II and why so much legal, medical, and scientific terminology is based in Latin.

Look at the Islamic side of things, too. Who kept the knowledge lost after the collapse of the Roman Empire and the destruction of Alexandria until the Crusades, when Westerners were re-exposed to the classics?

It would be unfair to say that pundits are opposed to history based on Mr. Katz article here, but so very tempting...

PS -- It's just a video game. Yeah, it sounds kinda dumb to me too, but I respect people who follow their beliefs more than I respect people who bitch about stuff. Especially when the latter get their facts wrong.

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Re:Ok, enough! by chromatic · 1999-10-24 02:09 · Score: 2 · on Uncle Robin's Advice for Lovelorn Geeks

People actually do ask Roblimo those questions fairly often. (It helps that he's head-over-heels for Debbie and talks about her a lot.) Maybe he just attracts single guys who think they're down on their luck. Seems like a thankless job to me, telling a bunch of people to get up, look beyond themselves, and start talking to other people.

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Re:No way by chromatic · 1999-10-22 00:15 · Score: 2 · on Alan Cox on The Risks of Closed Source Computing

Suppose I or another consultant find a bug in Excel that prevents our customers from doing their normal work. Suppose we contact Microsoft about this bug, and the engineer there tells us that we will have to upgrade to Office 2000 in six months to fix the bug. (True story from February 1999). It's a really dumb bug, too.

Suppose Microsoft generously provides us a beta-test CD and allows us to find other bugs in Office 2000. Suppose we do. (True... ah, you get the picture.)

Granted, we benefit from the bug fixes, but so does everyone else, including our customer's competitors, if they use Office 2000.

I suppose you could claim that Microsoft didn't have to give us a beta of Office 2000, which is true. Still, how much money are we (actually, our customers) paying to Microsoft for the privilege of talking to a second-tier phone monkey? Much more than it would cost for me to e-mail someone at Abiword or KOffice or even StarOffice, that's for sure. If it were up to me, I wouldn't want to pay that much. Different business sense, I guess.

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Re:Doom as part of an OSS Unicenter TNG clone? by chromatic · 1999-10-20 00:05 · Score: 2 · on Kill -9 With a Doom Shotgun

If there were a way to update the WAD file (in memory?) to reflect changing topology and geography automatically, you'd be on to something... that would solve the one-map-at-a-time issue.

Now if one could "lock" the current room in memory and not allow any architectural changes there, that would solve another issue. Interesting.

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Re:Woo hoo! by chromatic · 1999-10-18 23:37 · Score: 2 · on The Unofficial Guide to Lego Mindstorms

Could someone please review this book on Slashdot?

Since you asked so nicely, yes. It's really interesting -- more of an overview of the different things you can do than an in-depth exploration of any one thing. It reminds me of Programming Web Graphics with Perl and GNU Utilities in that sense. The demo robots are quite interesting.

Full review coming when I finish it.

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Whoops! by chromatic · 1999-10-18 22:40 · Score: 2 · on Snow Crash

You're right about me leaving out the mythological underpinnings... I must have moved that from the synopsis to the analysis and forgotten to paste it. To wit:

Let it be known that Hiro knowingly attempts to reenact the ancient Sumerian myth which is explained throughout the story. One might analyze 'Snow Crash' as the germ of a future hacker mythos, where the sorceror-priests are those who can reach into the guts of the [mind|machine] and rewire [consciousness|digital reality] as they see fit. Except that the advertising age necessitates a word from our sponsor... (Hiro's business card at the lightshow.)

Mea culpa. Sorry everyone!

As for cyberspace, I took that for part of the mythology. Did Hiro find it more real than reality?

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Re:Look at this from Sun's perspective by chromatic · 1999-10-16 07:42 · Score: 2 · on StarOffice Boss Says He Chose Sun License over GPL for Good Reasons

Sun, however, needs to turn a profit. This can be done only if they keep property of their product.

This is one thing that confuses me about Sun's behavior as of late. I think they're a hardware company. They think they're a software company, I guess.

The question they should be asking is, "Are people buying our nice & expensive hardware to get Solaris, or are they getting Solaris when they buy our nice & expensive hardware?"

It makes a big difference.

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Re:Squatters in general... by chromatic · 1999-10-15 05:44 · Score: 1 · on Trademark Cyberpiracy Prevention Act

There should be a clause in the NIC agreement:
Use it or lose it. 3 months to get *something* at that domain name (besides a 'coming soon' page from your registrar) or you lose it and your cash.

Hmm, maybe they could start with Transmeta!

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Re:No, by chromatic · 1999-10-14 22:06 · Score: 2 · on Dying Babies and The Myth of American Freedom

The problem is that these people refuse to consider an alternative point-of-view to such an extent that they threaten to murder the speaker.

That's not a problem of speech. That's a problem of listening and understanding.

Whenever I hear a viewpoint different from my own and take the time to consider it, it does change my own world view.

This too. You cannot guarantee (even if you are the government) that when you speak freely, people will take the time to listen, to consider, and to allow your viewpoint to change theirs.

When one's life is threatened for speaking one canNOT speak freely.

I disagree -- look at the Declaration of Independence. The signers' lives were threatened, yet they spoke freely anyway.

Threatening death for voicing/holding a different point-of-view, that is religious nature.

It seems to be more widespread in statism, from my studies in history.

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