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Re:More torrent sites ...
Sharing The Groove. Has been gone for a while and I miss it badly.
For a while it was the one true source of bootlegged concerts. For example, it was nice to be able to get my hands on the first night of the most recent Rush tour about 1 1/2 weeks after the show....and it sounds as good as any live album.
wbs.
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Sharing the Groove
For those that prefer they're musicv live check out sharingthegroove.org . Mostly downloaded by bit-torrent, in FLAC format. A lot of stuff by taper friendly artists
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Re:God is he shortsighted...
Define "superstar" -- plenty of artists are popular because of filesharing/filetrading that they promote (or at least don't try to stop).
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Re:Great News
Go ahead and download for *free* (notice the difference in my *free* and your "free"). Support bands that support the distribution of their music.
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Supply and demand
Why can the music/movie corporate people figure this out?
Is there any equivalent to an MP3 or DIVX that takes hours to days to download, of questionable quality, and random completeness to what you buy in the store?
No, hell no there isn't.
Who here has "upgraded" their tape/album collection to CD? I have. Who benefited from this? Yes, the music people (doubful the artists did, maybe a little). I personally have bought 3 copies of "Dark Side of the Moon", on LP, the original release of the CD, and the Original Master Recording CD (out of print now). Once I get my surround system hooked up again, I will buy the SACD as well.
My point being, is that people are willing to sacrifice quality for quanity, and they realize this. I'm not much into pirated stuff, but I know it exists. I know where to get MP3s, I don't know where to get CD quality rips of CDs (except for killer live stuff!).
The music/movie people bitch and complain about bootlegging and pirating, yet they simply refuse to change. Currently (and from here on) there will be a supply from the "traded" (0 monitary cost, low quality, large time investment, no liner notes, etc), the used marked (lower monitary cost, harder to get "what you want when you want it"), and the store bought route (you know what goes here).
The thing that really kills me is that Sony is being a pussy with this opportunity. I mean, damn, they own a vast majority of the material, and they manufacture hardware of varying quality from junk to pretty damn good stuff.
What do I know? I'm only a consumer that has spent thousands of dollars (probably about $6k) in electronics and hundreds a year on music and movies.
People will always want music, and the market demands the price. Go to ebay and look for Coventry Phish tickets. They are going for about $400 a pop (I've got 4 -
Re:Prior Art
i work for clearchannel...and they suck. this site makes me feel better though -> lots of live shows
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Re:Oh, please
Like Led Zeppelin? Go to the link in your parent's post (http://www.sharingthegroove.org). You can get
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Re:Wait, that was illegal?
Nothing "in the past" about it.
No, he was right. Letting audience members hook into the sound board is indeed a thing of the past. Phish banned this not because it competes with the soundboard recording that they sell (they weren't doing that so much at the time) but because of incidents where people who were taping directly from the board would touch things on the board they shouldn't or otherwise messed things up. When recording the show threatens to get in the way of the people at the show's enjoyment, then it gets stopped. Phish stopped allowing people to patch in in Fall 1990. Nowadays, there's enough security in venues and around the soundboard that it wouldn't make sense. Audience recordings are obviously still legal. In fact, a lot more bands explicitly allow them now than in the past, due to the success of bands like phish and dave matthews (ugh), and the growing popularity of trading shows, now that computers make it so much easier. At one time, the shows would be recorded on DAT, and then people would have to copy analog tape copies for each other, often trading my mail. Now, most tapers I see record directly onto a laptop and then the shows are put up--often the next day-- as bit torents of losslessly compressed audio (for example, go look at http://www.sharingthegroove.org.
Also worth noting is that virtually no major bands(except Pearl Jam) allow video recording of their shows.
Btw, was anyone else at the (phish) shows in vegas two weeks ago? Man those were sick. -
Re:As Pepsi put it...
I think Pepsi and iTunes got it right in their commericial... "We're going to keep downloading music for free whether you like it or not..."
Too bad that's not what they meant and everyone knows it. Yes, it is true that everyone will find different ways to get around the roadblocks setup. Yes, it is also true that P2P will continue to evolve at a pace where we will be lightyears ahead of the redtape...
But, is it all worth it? Why not support FREE music? Artists that support the distribution of their stuff without issue? That's the future. Having the musicians realize that the fans love their MUSIC not how much money they can make.
Check out Sharing the Groove. Do everyone a favor and jump on the bandwagon. -
Re:Why Should I bother?
I'd also point out that I have been downloading heaps of free, and legal, music from Sharing The Groove and ETree. It's mostly music from bands that permit taping and distribution of their concerts. It's a great way to try out new music as well. If I wasn't unemployed I might retaliate by buying some concert tickets... Sorry Napster. Even if you weren't WMA-only you still don't have the sort of music I want to listen to.
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Re:I love bittorrent
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Re:you've got it backwards
Some people do want the legal files. Furthurnet Etree.org Sharing in the Groove BT.phishhook.com Besides the dozens of ISOs I've gotten via BT and P2P I've also downloaded 100s of GBs of music and video. All of it legal. Plenty of people use P2P and other applications for legitimate uses, but piracy gets all the attention and therefore you have people asking silly questions like "Using P2P for legitimate aplications?". Of course it has legitimate applications, I thought this dead horse had been beaten.
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The bigger pictureFirst and foremost, this is about free access to tools and technology. Remember that copyright infringement is already illegal. The heavy handed tactics of attacking any technology that MIGHT be used for infringement misses the point completely. It's not the technology...it's what you do with it.
You can use a chainsaw to cut your winter firewood, or you can use it to commit a Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Does that mean we should outlaw chainsaws? No, of couse not. The act of killing is already against the law and has nothing to do with chainsaw technology. It is about actions and not tools.
So too is it with technologies like BitTorrent. Yes, certainly a large community of cheap-ass slackers who want goodies for free have exploited this great content delivery system for their own purposes. But to be sure, there are so many other legit uses for it. The LEGAL online music trading community has also taken up BitTorrent to distribute high quality live recordings of bands that permit taping. (The Dead, Phish, Dave Matthews, Pearl Jam, etc to name even a few!) Sites like Sharing the Groove and eTree provide legal lossless audio in FLAC and Shorten format to fans of the music. These lossless files can be quite large and the demand for them can be quite strong the night after a good concert. Well, gosh... This is Just the sort of thing that BitTorrent does and does well. It serves high bandwidth and high demand files with grace and ease. This isn't about piracy. It's about access to technology. The Supreme Court ruled in the betamax case that there were enough legit uses for the technology that it couldn't be outlawed simply because some people were using it to copy porn tapes. I reserve the right to use this technology in a lawful fashion despite what others may choose to do with it.
More than once I have turned to a Torrent link to get a copy of some content that was in high demand at the time. (Animatrix previews, Gollum's Acceptance speech, etc.) All were legit downloads when the normal methods of acquiring the content were under heavy
Let's try to keep this in mind during these troubling times of heavy litigation by big media. They killed Napster, they'll try to kill BT and any other centralized system they can find. The chilling new bill introduced in congress should be a warning to us all. The concept of p2p itself is under attack. Fight for your rights to these tools.
(Stepping down from my sagging soapbox.)
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Plenty of LEGAL music on BitTorrent
Maybe there was a lot of unauthorized content on BT, but there is a large group of users using it to download legal, live music. Look at Etree's Box of Rain forum, Groove Salad, and Sharing in the Groove as just a few example of the many message boards that have gigabytes of 100% legal, 100% lossless (.shn and
When the Phish summer tour aud sources come out, BT is going to be key. It sure beats trying to log in to someone's 3-slot FTP.