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Kazaa Going to Court
msim writes "According to the The Sydney Morning Herald" Kazaa will be going to court after their appeal to the Federal Court was dismissed. The case will be going ahead on March 23rd"
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"It's time for Kazaa to stop using delaying tactics and face the music."
Oh please! Enough with the cheesy quotes already! It's almost as bad as the RIAA saying "Oops I did it again" after attempting to sue yet another innocent victim.
will I be able to download the transcripts of these hearings on Kazaa?
I thought they lived there.
You can no longer download Kazaa, but the network seems fine. You can still download songs etc...
When anger rises, think of the consequences.
Confucius (551 BC - 479 BC)
You can download it just fine. Quit being a karmawhore.
More like facing the Disk industry am I right?
To even insinuate then I would find such a redundant line that can easily be used by the same people over and over again to be humourous or witty is a grave insult to my intelligence.
As for the RIAA mimicking pop lyrics, I'm never going to hear the words they say.
=)
I predicted that kazaa would die in 2003, and though it didn't happen, we can be pretty sure that it will sooner or later.
Perhaps we need a legitimate kazaa? An Itunes-alike that not only sells music, but also software?
Sooner or later all file swapping will have to get around this
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I don't use Kazaa. I was one of the kids fined for downloading music off the internet, and guess what, I still am going to do it. In all seriousness.. I don't see how the RIAA can sue everyone, and besides for them to catch users of Kazaa, don't they have to use Kazaa themselves?
Maybe the attitude of companies to P2P will change when they see the commercial advantages like Lindows have
My operat~1 system unders~1 long filena~1 , does yours?
If the RIAA makes it up to 10 lawsuits against providers of free downloadable music, my bookie is going to be pissed, he gave me 10-1 odds that it won't happen and I put $100 on the line! GO RIAA GO!!! (Yeah I know, that sounds evil, that's why I like it!)
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...it sure must suck to life in the real world and have no money to spend on delaying court orders like SCO does.
Federal Court Justice Murray Wilcox dismissed an application by the world's largest file sharing network to delay proceedings against it until a similar case in the United States was finalised.
This has got to be kind of tough. So Kazaa has to defend themselves against two recording industry associations simultaneously? I wonder if there was any agreement between the RIAA and the Australian counterpart to hit Kazaa at the same time. Hopefully Kazaa can use some of the work for one case in the other but still that's not too much fun to have to fight a two-front war. That takes resources and I wonder if Kazaa has enough to hold their own.
GMD
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Darl and Co should car-pool with Kazaa's lawyers for their weekly court appearances. It may help the stock value.
It'll certainly take an eternity to get all the silicon out of my eardrumes.
Man the summary here is just a few lines short of the original article! One day this WILL happen and everyone who posts really would have RTFA!
Sehr geehrter Toilettenbenutzer!
Every Simpson's watcher knows that the most extreme punishment Austraila can dole out is "just a little kick in the bum"!
"And a massive loss for zit-faced Slashdot nerds who want to steal things for free"
rather than stealing for a fee?
I will explain this to you ignorant fools again. Downloading a song is copyright infringement (NOT stealing). Perhaps you need to be a zit-faced Slashdot nerd to tell the difference.
~Turd
The USA goverment could put a new tax to virgin CD's . This tax goes for the Music industry. As for MP3 players, they should work only in the way the IPOD does with licensed downloads. Cheers! Luck get a free knoppix CD at loadux.com
Site already slashdotted, some other news about the same subject:
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PS: The second link is heavier and probably will go down soon.
Well.. yeah, but having Kazaa isn't a crime.
However, if they are sharing songs and encouranging others to download it, would that be entrapment?
And by inducing mass fear and continueing the momentum and scaring others to settle out of court, would that essentially be blackmail?
Even if kazaa goes down, there is no way in the world that they are going to eliminate p2p. They live in a world of red tape and formalities. We just find ways to go around the system, and therefore, we're always a step ahead of them. Networks start blocking ports in schools and offices, we simply change the port we get it through (at least that's what we do at our school in our dorms) The RIAA starts tracking p2p transactions, we set up massive networks based on ant behavior (e.g. MUTE p2p). They take down one major p2p client, we'll set up 10 more. I think Pepsi and iTunes got it right in their commericial... "We're going to keep downloading music for free whether you like it or not..."
If Kazaa is killed by this frivolous lawsuit, what next? What is the best alternative p2p source?
I think.
Could be wrong.
Does anyone know if Australia is referencing TRIPS (trade-related aspects of intellectual property) in their case?
Jax
And a massive loss for zit-faced Slashdot nerds who want to steal things for free
It is technically, legally, and morally impossible to steal a thing using KazAa or any other p2p software.
And that's exactly the problem, the latest CD I bought says on the cover something like : Copyright(C) 2004 $RECORDLABEL instead of Copyright(C) 2004 $ARTIST.
They are always babbling about the artist not getting paid bla bla, while their only concern is their own bank account.
The fact is, tools like KaZaa have shown we don't need record companies anymore, and it has them scared shitless.
Regarding the artists not getting paid and this whining about how it 'hurts' music: there is no need to pay them for download music, for several reasons.
Its a bug numbers game and we win. They may have millions of dollars but they simply can not come after everybody and just as PeaceTank said it, they shut one down, we open 10 more. Warez networks have been up for years and they havn't all been shut down, music has many more users. Good luck but RIAA you are fighting a loosing battle, wake up, try something new.
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As long as they can prove/demonstrate the perp's intent to break the law, it's not entrapment. Just like the "bait cars" the police use in cities to catch car thieves. Just like how they caught that soldier trying to sell intelligence to Al Queda (even though he was actually talking to undercover authorities, not the real terrorists).
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Kazaa fails to stall copyright case
March 4, 2004 - 6:05PM
Internet music company Kazaa has failed in its attempt to delay proceedings for alleged copyright breaches brought by the Australian record industry.
Federal Court Justice Murray Wilcox dismissed an application by the world's largest file sharing network to delay proceedings against it until a similar case in the United States was finalised.
Music Industry Piracy Investigation (MIPI), which is owned by Universal, Festival Mushroom Records, EMI Music, Sony Music, Warner Music Australia and BMG Australia, raided 12 premises on February 6 this year to collect evidence against Kazaa. MIPI general manager Michael Speck said the decision to allow proceedings to go ahead against Sharman Networks, Kazaa's owner in Australia, was a win for the record industry.
"This represents a massive victory for the copyright owners," he said outside the court.
"It's time for Kazaa to stop using delaying tactics and face the music."
The matter was adjourned until March 23.
Jay | http://oldos.org
but who are these sharman networks people?
do believe that it is almost impossible to take the gnutella network down.
Many problems have been identified with the legacy Gnutella network. For example there is ample research indicating that it cannot scale or that it uses too much overhead. But perhaps more importantly it lacks a clear set of network standards, which has led to a network of unequal clients and abusive behaviour, to the point that one client can consume 80% of the resources on the entire network!
create their own labels? Like Shady Records? Are they no longer worth listening to because they want to be paid for their work?
And let's be honest, many, many rappers may not be in it for the money, but they're in it for the women. In no other places can you see so many fine looking women around so many butt ugly fat guys as in a rap music video.
"I like Rhapsody -- I pay $9.95 per month for unlimited streaming from a pretty big library"
Doesn't Rhapsody have a pretty small library? Smaller than iTMS? I've checked iTMS and that one was pretty small, and had none of the music I was looking for. Only the open systems like Kazaa or the first Napster have had decent-sized libraries.
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Oh, please. This is a pretty easy thing to understand -- if you annoy a lot of people at once, expect them to jump on you at once.
Remember when all the states were going after Microsoft at once to get their share of the anti-trust money?
Remember when it seemed like all the lawsuits from moribund cancer sufferers were hitting Big Tobacco at once?
Whether it's a "good guy" like Kazaa, a "bad guy" like Microsoft, or a -- well, I don't know what the collective Slashdot opinion is on the tobacco companies -- if your actions annoy a lot of people at once, you should be prepared for them to all retaliate. Sure, bummer for Kazaa that they're facing all these suits at once, but they have to have expected this.
Sitting in my day care, the art is decopainted.
you do!
Wonder if I can download any bootleg court transcripts...
A retelling of a story based on memory (which means some 'facts' may actually be wrong)
Once there was a mighty napster whose technology allowed for swapping files. Due to poor insight, the technology also allowed users to be tracked -- Fanning be damned.
Along came the peer to peer networks, with gnutella seeming to be the frontrunner. Then came the FastTrack network with Sharman in the back and the mighty Morpheus at the helm due to its ease of use and improved reliability.
The Kazaa folks (Sharman) did not take kindly to Morpheus apparently not paying their bills or whatnot, and thus cut them off the network. Alarm bells should have immediately rung as anyone who has the power to cut clients off a network clearly cannot be "anonymously" peer-to-peer to begin with.
Morpheus ran to the gnutella networks, gathering up Gnucleus code and branding it. By branding, of course, I mean the trend in p2p software of installing various products, some of which amount to adware and/or spyware.
Kazaa touts itself the survivor, gathering up more Morpheus users than either bearshare or limewire or [insert gnutella client here].
Kazaa seen as the filesharing client for the masses and now holds major scrutiny by the recording industry. More p2p networks pop up promising better anonymity.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
I like the one about Prince the best.
"Then he took us inside and served us pancakes."
If would be funny if it wasn't so sad.
The music industry is still using the Luddite network distribution of redundant labor. They still put music on archaic plastic disks and hire guys to truck them out to music stores, and then expect consumers to drive out to these stores, pay 15 bucks, then drive home only to find there's only one song they like on the whole CD.
When this business model fails, they start suing everyone.
But there is something each and every one of us can do today to stop this : Use gunutella, share everything you have.
Eventually the music industry will realize the error of their ways.
But if you're going to resort to the "but there's more and it all free" argument wrt to Kazaa or the first Napster, there's not going to be much to talk about, is there?
That's right. However, it is more of a "There's More" argument than it is "and it's all free". If the "legit" services actually had the good selection of music, I'd never worry about the non-legit ones again.
However, the record companies are too lazy to sell the music. I guess they don't want profits.
Because a lot of people don't use virgin cds for copyright violations your insensitive clod! ... and they shouldn't have to pay for the people who do!
steal things for free? ... OK.
Yeah,
I mean, I'm not stealing anything.
You aren't. The failure of your example is that you are arguing "if I do something wrong that is not stealing, it is OK, right?"
By your logic, I can shoot you in the head. But hey, it's not stealing, so it is not a crime.
Speaking from a musicians point of view, I cannot understand why the record companies havent used file-sharing , and other internet technologies. Every single illegally downloaded mp3, could be turned into a marketing advantage.
:)
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Plus, it would give record companies a lot more control over content than they have now.
MP3's should be treated like radio broadcasts, one should have to get a license in order to share the files. Its up to companies to find out how to generate the revenue streams, either charge for downloads, or provide other subscription based benefits that traditional P2P systems dont currently provide. All that is needed is a better product, and by that I dont mean better artists (but that wouldnt be a bad idea) I mean that they should provide a service that pisses all over everything else.
My personal belief is that these days the way to make real money is through real physical products, not through arbitrary file formats such as ogg or mp3. Through not just CD sales, but from the T-Shirts, the posters, the ticket sales for gigs, subscriptions to fanzines etc.
I am truly surprised that the record companies have not yet realised that instead of turning every 12yr old, boy-band lovin' girl downloading the latest cheesy pop number into a criminal. They should try concentrating on selling more Merchandise.
Record companies should also realise that its the "Proper" bands, who write their own tunes, who innovate and create their own boundaries, that are the ones that are going to be more than a novelty or fad. They are also the ones who will sell more tickets for gigs, and at those gigs people will buy merchandise.
Yep, and it wouldnt be a bad idea not to screw the real artists over when it comes to royalties either. And while im ranting, for gods sake, lets see the end of these dreadful "Pop-Idol" TV shows !
On that note , If you want some free, legal MP3's from an original band.. Please click my sig and download at will, and please god! try not to slashdot my humble computer
Nick
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you are both wrong.
-ashot
So, if Kazaa loses this... do you really think the music industry is going to get more CD buyers? Probably not. It seems to me that the reason most people even download music from Kazaa is because they want to see what other music is on a CD before they buy it. At least there are a few more alternatives now such as Apple's iTunes or some other internet sites. Maybe if the rest of the music industry would wake up and smell the modern age, there wouldn't have to be things like Kazaa to cause them to panic.
Really? Well I'm one of the lawyers representing the RIAA... so ya best be watchin out!
"Sorry, but that doens't fly. There's plenty there"
No, there is not plenty there. When only 1 in 20 of the songs I look for turn up 0 results (and almost all of the 20 are found in Kazaa), there is really not "plenty".
I'm not going to whine. I'm just going to use a service that actually bothers to have something in it.
Remember now, I'm talking about iTMS experience. I am just assuming that Rhapsody has even less. Hard to tell, unlike some services, Rhapsody did not give me a way to search from their main page just to see if they had anything.
"I suggest you try it, if on-demand streaming suits your listening habbits"
Does anything stop you from recording the streams you've paid for?
I am really tired of people trying to bring down Kazaa P2P since it allows people to download free music.
I have NEVER heard people trying to bring down any P2P due to distributing too much porn.
Why don't people come out of the closet to protect the porn industry.
On 8 February 2004, in Washington D.C., Trade Minister Mark Vaile concluded an agreed text for the Australia-United States Free Trade Agreement with his US counterpart, Trade Representative Bob Zoellick. These means Australia will take on IP standards much like the US.
Jax
Now look at them yo-yo's that's the way you do it
You fill the hard drive with the MP3
That ain't workin' that's the way you do it
Music for nothin' and your tunes for free
Now that ain't staelin' that's the way you do it
Lemme tell ya them guys ain't dumb
Maybe get a virus on your little harddisk
We gotta install Kazaalite client
Custom download deliveries
".... i want my, i want my, i want my MP3...."
I'm not sure how Austrailian law works but if a non-police orginazation such as this MIPI decided to raid my business, I would get a bit hostile. Who is giving them this authority to raid bussinesses? Sounds like the RIAA tactics here, but I'm sure they look at the street vendor they are about to raid and make a quick determination if they can do it or not by the size and amount of peolpe the vendors have.
Kazza provided a utility for sharing files. Some users chose to use the provided tool illegally. If Kazza designed a tool that could only be used to conduct illegal activities, or if Kazza designed the tool specifically to conduct illegal activities, I would understand. Should we make web browsers and servers illegal because I could host a webpage that provides hyperlinks to illegal content that gives a user with a web browser the ability to download copyrighted materials illegally? This seems like a concept that a child could understand. What am I missing?
- Have you ever noticed that the more you learn about technology, the more stupid you sound trying to explain it?
Makes about as much sense as shutting down kazaa.
This is the same tripe I read over and over online.
Artists can earn money by performing (concerts and such), mp3's should be seen as advertising their trade. This happened all the time before the record companies stepped in, artists exchanged songs and travelled from city to city performing them in public, and getting paid for it.
So how exactly do they fund their tour? You need a large amount of money to move a tour from city to city - and that money will have to come up front, because no bank will fund such a risky proposition as the concert fees of a relative unknown.
If you're in it just for the money, I really don't want to hear your music anyway. Art should be created for the love of the art, not for monetary gain. Paying 'super stars' exorbitant amounts of money hasn't done their music any good. Look at the great artists from the past, Van Gogh didn't have a pot to piss in. What are rappers going to do ? Switch from music about 'the hood' and how hard life is on the street to singing about why it sucks to pay several million in income taxes ?
And what were Van Gogh's expenses? Paints. As opposed to stack amps, crews, musical instruments, power, insurance, transportation, recording gear and time...
The only music that will die together with the record companies is 'produced' music. They won't be missed, really. My life would be just as complete without britney spears and the backstreet boys.
Wrong again. The music that will die is that made by people who can no longer afford to make it. Funding again. Who can afford to leave their job and pursue a music career, when there will be no money from record sales, and record companies will no longer front you cash?
I think Could be wrong.
check out www.k-lite.tk
Its been around for awhile.
i'M dONE yOU pESKY fAGGOT!
That would have been a better solution and he is, indeed, foolish for having agreed to fulfil such a massive undertaking. He said so himself. I'll try to remember best his words...
'I love that I'm making money off of my work, but it's so tedious. I'd rather be building sets. This thing was a blessing and a curse.'
Again, that's paraphrased, but it would seem he agrees with your position. As do I.
Thank you, oddly named Anonymous Coward.
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Kazaa!
Internet music company Kazaa has failed in its attempt to delay proceedings for alleged copyright breaches brought by the Australian record industry.
Federal Court Justice Murray Wilcox dismissed an application by the world's largest file sharing network to delay proceedings against it until a similar case in the United States was finalised.
Music Industry Piracy Investigation (MIPI), which is owned by Universal, Festival Mushroom Records, EMI Music, Sony Music, Warner Music Australia and BMG Australia, raided 12 premises on February 6 this year to collect evidence against Kazaa.
MIPI general manager Michael Speck said the decision to allow proceedings to go ahead against Sharman Networks, Kazaa's owner in Australia, was a win for the record industry.
"This represents a massive victory for the copyright owners," he said outside the court.
"It's time for Kazaa to stop using delaying tactics and face the music."
The matter was adjourned until March 23.
Does it go on forever?