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WebGangsta writes "The AP is reporting that there's a new device out that allows you to record a concert... legally. It works because it's run by the venue, direct from the mixing board. After the show, concert-goers visit an on-site kiosk and purchase a 128MB keydrive (which may or may not be proprietary to the system). Then they swipe their credit card again to download the concert they just attended to the keydrive. The MP3 can then be shared with whoever they'd like (no restrictions on copying the show to friends)." We've had some previous stories about a different system with CD-R's available after the show.
If you could go home and log onto the Maxwell's website and pay to download the concert, regardless of the length, it would be better than being half drunk trying to work some kiosk. If they only want to make the downloads available to ticketholders, they can put an unique password on each ticket that allows the purchase of only that concert.
If I went to a show and it was good, I'd definitely pay $10.00 to download a digital copy of it.
The keychain thing is an unnecessary gimmick and won't last.
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...I'll be the one with the CD duplicator selling blank CDr's for $1 each.
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Why are concert recordings illegal? Is it like taping a movie at the theater?
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Can you bring your own thumb drive or do you have to buy one there?
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I don't know about if they factor in volume discounts in or the like, but a 128MB keydrive is still around $40 retail last I checked. That may make it rather... pricey to give out them like promotional material. Then again, even the t-shirts at some Eagles concerts I have been to were $50...
Plus, what about waste? Some people may just collect these! Or are there write-only? Something just seems amiss.
paying for the CD and then ripping it myself. Amongst other things, I'd have the hard copy (or at least harder copy) in a theoretically uncompressed format.
$45 for a T-shirt, $8 - Coke, $500 - for a Pen drive - showing your friends you can't manage money....priceless
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As well as distributing them for free?
Of course this does realize sneaking in your DAT recorder, but it isn't illegal to record concerts right?
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If artists get a cut (more than the RIAA approved 1%) then I'm all for it.
If, on the other hand, it's artists only chance to make real money getting fucked over by yet another greedy corp (in this case Clear Channel the venue owners in a lot of places), then it's a bit much.
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don't forget--because this is a recorded live performance, the RIAA can't touch it. I love it...
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But really, I don't think this will last. Wait until these pricks at the RIAA get whiff of this, then it's over. As long as they aren't making every single penny they absolutely can, you will be subject to fines, and prosecution.
I'm sorry, but realistically, i'm going to have to teach my children not to DOWNLOAD ANYTHING. To put blinders on them, and have them be led around by a bunch of jesus loving conglomerate assholes. Welcome to america, folks.
Fan-tastic! No more stealing of concerts!
128 meg stores just over ninety minutes of 192kbps/44kHz MP3. The article says this will be mostly used for independant artists who don't care about sharing their live music, so I guess Rush, Yes, and the Rolling Stones aren't an issue. But the Grateful Dead (who I believe allow recording) couldn't fit a show on there.
Hmm... USB keys with little bears on them... or perhaps a "combination" keychain/pipe!
As soon as they'll let me purchase a CD with FLAC audio instead of that MP3 crap, I'll think about it. Until then, me and my D7 have a lot of work to do.
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For bands I've seen in smaller bars and clubs, I can't tell you the number of times I bought their CD (usually self-published) on the way out if I had a good time (as well as how many drinks I knocked down =D )
It's certainly smart to present the concert goer with the ability to make an impulse buy, right after they're coming off the high of enjoying a great concert ...
...someone is charging for this device.
Wait, didn't the Greatful Dead allow this with a regular tape recorder for something like 25 years? They even set up a spot where you could put it so it would ge the best sound....
Ah, those were the days. Maybe if more musicians had the attitude of the Dead, this stuff wouldn't be "News."
We miss you Gerry.
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this is also a good way to find out that, outside of the heat of the moment, the concert wasn't as good as you thought it was.
Don't expect something that sounds like like "At Fillmore East" or "Live at Leeds." Feeds taken from a mixing console were intended to be routed to a PA system playing at ear-splitting volumes, not a 2 track master EQ'd for home listening. Making great-sounding live recordings in and of itself is quite an art form.
i was always under the impression that many bands actually encouraged recording concerts and such. am i missing something?
Second point: I just dont see anything new about recording a bootleg off the board, and selling it. Happens every day and has for YEARS.
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And I'm an idiot...
But that's obvious
"Music is everybody's possession. It's only publishers who think that people own it." - John Lennon.
I was awakened recently to the posibilities of these flash drives. When they first came out, the small sizes limited their practicality. Now with the larger size devices, they are actually very useful. While not cheap, you can get them in sizes of at least 2gb.
At 2gb, it's getting close to carrying around a DVD which acts like a floppy, and is just as portable.
This concert thing is a great use of the technology. I think these are going to eventually be wildly popular for many different uses.
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Pearl Jam has been doing something very similar for at least two years. My wife and I went to a concert here in Denver. Afterwards, we hit their web site and ordered the concert recording. We were immediately able to download an MP3. Later, we received a CD featuring the same concert with cleaned up audio.
It's a shame no one's giving PJ credit for this awesome idea.
--AC
Sounds awful. Most bootleggers (of the legal variety, I do not consort with thieves ... erm, yeah) would rather pluck off their own ears than listen to, let alone pay for, a crappy mp3 concert that they had been to live.
I've been active on etree, StG, and similar for years, and before that I traded hand to hand. General rule (not of thumb, it's just a rule): if it's compressed, it's crap. We don't want it, and we don't want it to propogate. Because, assuredly, some dope will take his mp3 keychain, and pop it into Nero or whatever they have these days, and print out his own CD. Which will then be traded, and there will be a very sub-standard concert floating around.
"What we were seeing is that a large number of people were taking their CDs home and ripping them to MP3s, so we thought it would benefit music fans to eliminate that middle step," Reilly said.
First of all, I've learned never to trust anyone else when it comes to encoding audio. Secondly, if you can download the concert immediately afterwards, there's obviously no quality check step to make sure everything came out okay.
128M for 110s of recording time comes out to approx: 160kb/s. Totally unacceptable for live concerts.
Dude if you need $500 in coke for a concert you really need to seek helP!
I did this with Metallica. At Live Metallica you can buy and download any Metallica show on their current tour. They have FLAC versions too, and I was able to get the show that I was at. They even have CD labels and case liners and stuff in PDF form. Pretty cool.
Also the other problem is that no major record labels are going to allow their artists to do this, so it will remain a niche market. Record labels used to, and still do, believe that "bootleg" live recordings hurt record sales. This is completly erroneous because anyone who goes to the trouble of finding a live show is a big enough fan of a particular band that they already own some or all of their records. Hence, no loss of revenue.
There's also a control factor. Many artists are perfectionists and don't want to release any recordings where they sound less than perfect.
(Sit back and moderate? Comment? What's a slashdotter to do...)
With all the DCMA/DRM/copyright FUD being thrown from monkey to monkey these days, it seems that some of us forget that recording a concert is not inherently illegal. There are many, many artists who encourage the taping and distributing of their live shows -- here's a list of more than 900 of them. Furthermore, there's even a P2P client dedicated to sharing 100%-legal music. That's right folks, the RIAA doesn't have anything to do with this.
Before I sit around and watch the comments pile up, there have been "devices" available for years that allow you to record a concert legally -- they're called tape recorders. These days, many serious hobbyist tapers are moving to a digital-only setup to cut down on loss of audio quality. (Wish I could give you model numbers or something, but that's what Google's for folks...)
Now, the "instant" bit of this is what's actually interesting. 'Course, you're dependent upon the venue for all this, and we know how much us slashdotters like being dependent upon stuff that doesn't smell like open-source/community-owned...
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I've always liked the term write-only. I'm pretty sure the poster meant "write-once", but it's just one of those ideas I find wonderfully useless.
Actually, I just burned a few el-cheapo CDRs that were apparently write-only, 'cause I couldn't read them afterwards.
This is an intelligent use of technology to make money. It has a clear means of income (buying the memory stick) and sells a product of superior quality (over holding up a tape recorder).
Whether it succeds or not will depend on the consumer... but I think this is a good effort.
you'll have to buy those infernal memory sticks instead if you wanna buy the recording?
I think CD or DVD are my preferred concert recording medias. I can compress them any which way I like afterwards. The last concert I saw was such that I would have liked to apply the physical kind of compression directly on the artist, though. R. Williams if you must know and yes, because the missus wanted to and yes, I was the dolt paying for it, thank you very much. Took 6 hours of AC/DC at high volumes and innumerable beers to recover.
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Despite all the sturm und drang over DRM'ed concert releases being the next big thing on the horizon, at least one band ignored the DRM bandwagon. Barenaked Ladies used the resources of their promoter Nettwerk (and not through their record company) to release MP3s of each concert during the first leg of their tour this year. You can download any of the bunch direct from their web site, for $13.99. What complicated, strings-attached scheme do they use to transfer the music? That's right, a friggin' ZIP file. Pay your money, pull down your concert, enjoy the MP3s. I'm proud to say I bought two of their shows, one I personally attended, and a second just because I heard other fans rave about the particular show. Trust us, RIAA, and we'll keep you wealthy with products like this. Don't treat us like friggin' thieves.
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Nero has something like this that they are selling to various bands and artists.. Its called InstantROM.. its basically a windows PC or laptop, cd burner, POS terminal, and some other things. pretty cool.. check it out here
Prince had copies of the Musciology CD handed out at the door... good CD, I'm glad he;s getting back to his funky roots.
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I think I suggested something like this to Dave Matthews Band's website a couple of years ago after getting annoyed that yet another taper loser felt the need to setup a mic stand right in front of seats I just shelled out $120 for.
I was thinking cdr's or minidiscs, but I think it's a given that a band could make a lot of money selling the show at the show. I'd love to have copies of all the shows I've been too, but it's much too big of a hassle to find boots and when you do they generally sound like they were recorded in a tin can anyway.
Paying inflated concert prices for this sounds good too me!
if that doesnt work, try www.nero-online.org
Oh yeah, I forget to mention how much it costs to download a full setlist or two off of FurtherNet: a big fat $0. These recordings are often high-quality, .ogg or .flac.
Compare that to buying the keydrive ($20) and then paying to get the songs ($10).
Finally, favorite quote from TFA:
...hippie crack much?
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The only advantage I see for this is that the keychains could be reusable, but even then, the cost of a burned CD is practically negiliable assuming this service costs more than $1.
I suppose the only REAL advantage you get is that the flash devices could be gang programmed more quickly, but if you were running more than a half dozen or so high-speed CD burners, you could crank out CDs as fast as you could take someone's money anyways.
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,lets face it, you sucked.
No, we don't. Maybe if you had some talent we would, but
... with the CD variant. The DoubleDoor in Chicago's using the eMusic service, and my friends Warmachine (Shameless plug) are in from Canada, playing a couple of shows. The quality was quite good, and at $10, the CD was definitely worth it. It wasn't advertised all too well at the venue, but I could DEFINITELY see this being a big money maker if promoted correctly.
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-- source, the liner notes for 1994's B'Boom live album.
In other words, it really depends on the venue, when getting a "Front of House" (FoH) mix. The guy mixing the sound for the PA is aware that he's hearing the on-stage monitors and amplifiers as well as the PA, so guitar and bass sounds tend to be quieter, and drums can be quite hollow.
When this mix is your only source, it can be devestating to the recording when looking for something that should be more professional, like the Dixie Dregs concert on the Steve Morse DVD, where the mix cut the guitar to almost nothing because Morse keeps a rather loud on-stage amp stack.
Arena and Stadium gigs aren't as affected by this as club and theater shows would be. Then again, bands that can afford to do stadium shows can afford to have a second mixer on site producing a high-quality recording of the show independent of the FoH mix.
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As long as i remember myself liking Iron Maiden, i always loved watching them live, and if possible have a recording of the gig either mine by Minidisc recording, or other bootlegs that are essential for a Maiden fan. A while ago the boys decided that there is no reason of not recording a live performance (audio/still picture/no video)and share it wisely/widely, as long it won't be sold as "official" merchandise, so naturally lots of us fans loved this. Now i'd love to see this happening in future gigs, not only because of the sound quality superiority (the gig is recorded straight from the mixing panel and not from some ambient/un-acoustical/dead spot you happend to be while recording). Just Imagine a 666/Eddie USB keyfob loaded with the gig you just enjoyed...How cool is that....
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If didn't have to work for a living, I might to there and try to bootleg them myself.
of wheeling in a fast line printer, and having it print out a uuencoded uncompressed audio file in realtime as the concert is being played. Anyone would be free to read the output at the end of the show and type it into a laptop to uudecode it and listen later. LOSSLESS! (unless you're drunk or can't type well)
Shucks.
nice. I was about to ask "what about video taping" but your linked list even has that info!
many thanks!
Clear Channel is not big here in the US either. They only control about 8% of the stations. I'm not sure I've ever heard one: I have to go far to even get one on the dial.
Congratulations on being the 1 millionth Slashdotter to completely misunderstand the concept of "fair use."
"Fair use" doesn't mean "I think it's only fair that I get to copy and use this." Fair use is a statutory defense to a charge of copyright infringement that is available primarily to those who use a portion of a copyrighted work (not the entire concert, program, etc.) for educational or journalistic purposes, and is especially effective when that use is non-commercial. Fair use protects your local t.v. newscast when they show you a 30 second clip of the band playing at your local arena, or when you quote some of the lyrics to a song in a review. It does not protect you wanting to make copies of CDs for your friends or taping entire concerts without the permission of the artist.
$20 for a 128MB USB keychain drive seems a rather good deal, seeing as they usually go for about $30. I'm not too interested in buying ~160kbps MP3s though, even for $10 per concert.
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...that symphonic ensembles used mixing boards.
...that should double the amount they're able to store.
But it wasn't always illegal if it was for private use. An ancient concept called "fair use" would allow many people in the past to record things for their personal enjoyment.
Out of curiousity, would that really be a case of fair use? I mean...Just what are you "using" fairly? The ticket?
You could go to sharingthegroove.com and check out the tours section, chances are it will have been recorded.
That's right. Until now you could only get instant recordings of pre-recorded concerts. Now, with our cutting-edge "live concert" technology you can get instant recordings of live concerts.
I think it's time to get a new retarded monkey to write the headlines. This one's busticated.
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you can purchase the song before the concert begins.
It's cool that the venue is doing this, allowing for more artists to participate instead of forcing the artist to set up their own distribution network. But as several people have mentioned, Phish, Metallica, Barenaked Ladies, and several other big name bands allow anyone to download the concert from their website for paying a fee. The good thing about those is they all have loseless formats. Usually either SHN or FLAC. But why bother with the mp3 digital memory stick? I know that the Pixies are releasing all of their shows for sale (limited release numbers) immediately after the show ends. There are several companies providing the CD-R option. So why waste time releasing the mp3? Admittedly its much cheaper to set it up for a single kiosk than to buy 200 cd burners to get the shows cranked out as soon as it ends. But once it gets releases, most people in the live music scene, www.furthurnet.org, www.sharingthegroove.org, www.etree.org, www.archive.org, etc, won't touch mp3 sourced shows with a ten foot pole. So the mp3 way may be a great short term option, but in the long run, it doesn't make much sense to me. Anyone care to point out benefits I fail to see?
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Brought this up in another thread, but there's a company called Disclive that is doing something similar. They're mixing directly off the soundboard with mics in the audience for ambient noise and streaming it to a CD as the show is going on. After the show, they have a trailer full of CD burners and start pumping out copies. 10+ minutes after the show you can pick up one or two CDs of the show.
The discs were a little spendy at $25, and I hear mixed reports about sound quality with some people complaining about clipping and skips in the audio. If the show goes past a single disc, apparently they just fade out disc 1 and fade in disc 2 instead of cutting between songs.
for an excellent characterisation of audiophiles. Although whether it should be modded funny or insightful is another matter.
Not good enough. The 128MB drives should be included with an 80% discounted ticket, and everyone who records the concert should get a free roast beef sandwich.
Remember, anything that can be copyrighted should be free, and anyone who tries to make a living writing, singing, performing, doing research, directing, producing, engineering, editing, designing, painting, sculpting or building should be driven out of business and live in a cardboard box until they throw away all their education and experience to find another line of work.
I hear they're building a new Wal-Mart soon.
Business isn't willing to pay for products, innovation and careers, so we get brands, mortgage commercials and layoffs.
OK, if you read a bit more about this, it's a great idea. They're talking $20 for the usb drive and $10 a concert. It looks like the venues lined up so far are the bigger underground staples such as Maxwell's and the Metro, so it's pretty much going to be limited to indie artists for a while. Yes it would be nice if it were direct to CD, but I'll take a decent mp3 over nothing anyday.
As a side note, the Pixies are doing exactly this on their current tour, but with cd's instead. They have a company following them to each venue, doing a live recording off the soundboard , and then pressing cd's that are available to purchase about 5 to 10 minutes after the show is done. They've been doing runs of 1000 and they've been selling out every night. These recording have been pretty damn good, since there is an engineer tweaking it. Be great to see more of this going on.
Since his concerts are basically him yammering a bunch of jibberish for 4 hours and playing "music" for 5 minutes.
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I was at a PJ show a few years ago, and about halfway through, Eddie started talking between songs. He pointed at a guy toward the front and said something along the lines of, "I just want to point out this motherfucker here. He's had his arm in the air recording the show the whole damn time, and he hasn't had a free arm to put around his girl. Pass that thing up here". The audience passed up the guy's recorder (DAT, Minidisc, whatever), and Eddie takes it and jokes, "This motherfucker thinks he's getting it back [laugh]" He then says something directly into the recorder, off-mike, just for the guy's recorder. Then he puts the recorder down near his feet near some speakers to get a good recording.
I'm sure that this very lucky concertgoer got an unbelievable recording when he got his recorder back, which I'm sure was right after the band spoke with the crippled kids who got to watch the show from ON STAGE.
Not only is PJ probably the best rock band of the 1990's (and 2000's, so far), but they're really great guys.
I'm intrested in this. It sounds good but a small venue would need to hire in a third mixing desk and engineer. You've already got one for Front of House (what YOU hear), there's one for monitors and now there will need to be one for recordings. This requires more space and money.
You can't just take a recording from the Front of House desk because it will sound crap! You see, it is obviously engineered to sound good for those at the concert. The sound you hear is not just the sound that comes through the venue's audio system, it also includes the drum-kit and the bands guitar amps. These are usually amplified a little by the venue but no where near as much as the vocals.
So, if you take a recording of the output, you get a *lot* of vocals and very little back-line (drumkit and guitars). I sound engineer gigs at my students union which is how I know all this stuff. Several times I've tried to taking a copy onto minidisc and this is why I know how bad it sounds.
Once, we did make a recording onto an eight track for some band who were wanting to add the event to a DVD. The eight tracks were mixed after the gig in a proper studio. It'd be *very* hard to successuflly mix for a DVD or other recorded medium on the fly because you would be able to hear the band playing and wouldn't know if enough drumkit, etc is getting added to the mix.
Anyway, successfull bootlegs work because they use a mic in front of the band, just like your ear pics up what you hear in front of a band. This is what the Front of House engineer will mix the band for, not for recordings into MP3.
Phish lets you do things a number of ways. You can buy a taper's ticket, which allows you access to the taper's section. Here you'll see a sea of microphones and DAT recorders. This is for the real phans, the sound quality isn't great.
The second option is Live Phish. You can download shows roughly 24 hours after they've performed. Both MP3 and FLAC available (though FLAC is a bit more expensive, due to bandwidth). Each show is recorded directly from the soundboard mix, also comes with a setlist and cover to print off.
It's a great service, and it's being widely used by Phish fans, and personally I'd LOVE to see this for every show I go to (Bowie on his latest reality tour... A CD of that would've been gold). So this latest scheme is nothing new, but kind of overcomplicates the issue. But this is definitely the way of the future.
The majority of artists never make money off the selling of their recorded music anyway. They make money on the road.
Most bands realize this and that's why they don't care about people downloading their songs, recording their shoes, etc. The more people that hear their recordings, the more people that will come to their live shows. I wish more artists viewed their albums as simply ways to get people to come out and see them live, where some sort of real human interaction can take place. (don't believe I just said that on slashdot, ha!)
Board tapes suck, I'll bet these do too. So do the ones made by guys using 2 mics on poles (even with a board mix line).
Promoters might have a hell of a time getting this past some artist's contract riders.
I worked for one artist who was adamantly opposed to people recording his shows. It made gigs interesting because a good number of his fans were also of the Dead/Phish/Panic/AquariumRescueUnit type that liked to tape shows. Basically though, you got the whole issue right.
I'll take this a step further. A group of local producers/students/actors and I are getting together an improv festival in D.C. this year. We're looking at offering a DVD of the live shows immediatley after each set, and then a compilation "best of" by order after the festival is over. Make cover art, credits and title shot ahead of time- then film the entire thing with a prosumer miniDV camera. Import it to FCP after the concert, slap the title and credits on it, burn it.
Here's the relation- we're running the sound through the mixer, into the camera. But, its going to be a dedicated submix for recording only- I will be mixing sound for dvd, not for live reinforcement. The venue is small enough to preclude the need for live sound amplification, so thats all were doing. The amazing thing is the sound equipment necessary to drive such an endevor is less than a thousand dollars. Add a 3K cannon GL2, and a mac laptop, and its a surprisingly affordable solution. Granted, it wont make our investment back, but the hardware has been bought for other uses. It does let us recoup some of our initial outlay, and keep our budget slightly afloat.
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How is the fourth post to a story possibly redundant?
It's a valid question that had not yet been asked, one that I'd like to know the answer to as well. Nowhere in the article is this addressed, other than to say that it may or may not be proprietary. If it is proprietary, so be it (although it still has to be compatible with your computer to retrieve the files), but if it is not, why can't I bring my own? I would specifically be interested in bringing a thumb drive/mp3 player, so I could listen to it immediately.
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Can't wait to see someone at one of these venues out in the parking lot with a server and alot of USB plugins selling the $10 copy they just bought for only $5 and you can use your own usb memory key. How many USB devices can you hook up at one time?
Every concert Metallica plays is available approx. 4 days after on www.livemetallica.com for $10 US. You have the option of downloading MP3 or flac and includes cover art!. I downloaded a concert recently and was impressed, although James Hetfield voice was a little to prominent. Go figure, I download all there songs from kazaa, but paid for the concert. But the money I paid for the concert probably goes to the band, so I don't have a problem supporting it. Rich
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Can't wait to see someone at one of these venues out in the parking lot with a server and alot of USB plugins selling the $10 copy they just bought for only $5 and you can use your own usb memory key. How many USB devices can you hook up at one time?
I don't particularly care for his style of music, but Justin Timberlake is an honest-to-God live singer and musician, unlike Britney. He plays keyboard live in his concerts as well.
Amen, brotha.
WEEN has been making an application geared to freely distribute their shows as mp3 and video and pics, via p2p which will be free. no purchasing of their live shows. operates in a way similar to bit torrent. hopefully it will be readied soon, should make the grass roots of the next generation a viable method. long live the boognish... www.ween.com
For all sorts of reasons, a PA mix often makes for a poorly balanced recording. It's a very hit and miss process.
To do it well needs a recording truck where someone can listen on speakers with a flat response, in an known acoustic similar to a living room, at a moderate sound level and without the HF attenuation of 100ft of humid air.
Even then, mixing a concert direct to stereo is a formidable craft skill. Normally it would be recorded to multitrack tape or disc and mixed down later.
German industrial pioneers Einstürzende Neubauten already do this. After the show, you can pick up a freshly-printed CD thas has been recorded straight from the mixing board.
256kbps MP3 (CBR, encoded with FLAC) and the uncompressed CD.
I have to call Troll/BS on that, FLAC is not 256 kbps MP3, FLAC is it's own format. unless you meant LAME,
And yes it is possible to tell the difference between MP3 and lossless, especially in musig that has a large dynamic range such as Heavy guitars combined with Higer note Piano (synth) or Pipe Organs(synth) (yes those instuments can be used together, check out Nightwish if you don't believe me)
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Burn-by-the-order. Interesting idea, perhaps a good way for disgruntled/independent bands or labels to sock it to the RIAA.
You can hook up to 127 USB devices. Keep in mind though, that each hub counts as a device. So to get your 127 ports, you'd need to cascade 32 4-port USB hubs. Losing the 32 ports to the hubs would leave you with a theoretical 96 free ports.
My OS knowledge is a little rusty, and I'm pretty sure that Windows has a limit on the number of drives. What about Linux?
How many bands are actually going to use this? I'm sure Dave, Phish, Pearl Jam et all are going to use it, but what about everyone else?
At their Colorado series last summer you could subscribe CD-ROMS of their concert the next day. The y contracted some techie to produces these. (They are scheduled for several days at Red Rock in 2004.)
http://www.etree.org
Sure, FLAC can fit 2x as much audio on a CD, but consider the number of CD players out there that play CDDA but not FLAC.
FLAC *will* store approx 2x as much on a hard disk than uncompressed WAV, but only approx 1.5x as much on a CD-ROM compared to an audio CD. This is due to the extra error correction present on CD-ROMs - a full 74-min/650mb audio CD actually contains c. 747mb of audio data. I don't think trading off universal access is worth it for a 1.5x gain.
Having said that, I don't know why they don't just burn the mp3s onto blank CDs (media cost 10-20c?), rather than a $20 thumb drive. Unless they are USB2.0 thumb drives with very fast flash memory, the CD would burn faster in any case.
furthernet.com. i have been to several concerts which have been made available within days from the concert, sometimes even hours after.
Go ahead... read what's printed on just about every ticket you purchase from Ticktron/TicketMaster/Whatever. No audio or video recordings. It's a part of the implied and actual contract between you and the promoter.
I never actually heard britney sing, I watched her concert on showtime with the tv on mute for obvious reasons.
Have you ever been to a turkish prison?
I'm glad they do this.
"And a voice was screaming: 'Holy Jesus! What are these goddamn animals?'" - HST
Same with rock bands, or any other musical genre. Just because a concert hall owns a recording system and the means to sell instant recordings to the audience does not mean that the band is going to accept this without a big increase in their fees, and this is as it should be. So a concert hall or club is going to be in for much higher costs than just purchasing the means to record and sell duplicates of the recording. On a show-by-show basis, they are going to have to pay for the band's permission to sell a recording, and I also haven't mentioned that they are going to have to pay additional fees to the publishing companies who publish the songs that the band performs. If the band is under contract to a record label, the concert hall may also have to negotiate a contract with the record label. Some artists are forbidden by their record label contracts to make or sell any recordings that the record label does not approve beforehand. Any recordings they make while under contract are automatically 100% the property of the record company (which is not a pleasant situtation for the artists!).
I think this technology is a great idea, but don't assume that just because your favorite club owns such a system that they're going to be able to give you cheap recordings of every act you go and see there.
No offense, but you may not be in the right business or circles to hear about it. Every trade magazine for the audio industry and some article featuring PJ's setup.
for example Mix magazine
Search for anything related to Pro Audio with Project Charlotte (Where I found the above link)
Clear Channel declined to play the Dixie Chicks because of their stupid hate speech. No one with any conscience would say what they did. This leaves the remaining 92% of stations able to play the Dixie Chicks unless those stations also gain standards and refuse to play these hateful liars. The Dixie Chicks are a walking embodiment of the stereotype of country music being unintellectual.
Clear Channel should be applauded for doing what it did: exercising its First Amendment rights. Just like if you run a BLOG, you should be applauded for refusing to paste links that you don't want in it.
"conscience about the unelected administration currently in Washington"
You are lying again. The current Administration was elected the usual way. If anything is unamerican around here, it is refusing to recognize the authority of an elected President just because he does not share your ideology.
"So much for free speech, not to mention the marketplace of ideas"
This IS free speech in action. Basic freedom of the press. The New York Times excersizes its first amendment rights when it refuses to print Pat Buchanan columns. Clear Channel is doing the same thing when it refuses to air Howard Stern or the Nazi Chicks.
"ClearChannel's deathgrip over AM talk radio is so tight that they were able to get Howard Stern (who may be the most popular syndicated talk-radio host in America, and is definately one of the top 3)"
You have no idea what you are talking about. Sterm is mainly an FM guy, not an AM guy. Even before he was pulled, he was on in only a few regional markets. He is way down on the list of syndicated popular radio stars. Big on FM, but way behind the AM guys.
"ClearChannel is unAmerican, and it's owners should be severely and painfully punished, to say the least."
Thankfully, the 1st Amendment prohibits this kind of punishment. You sound more and more unamerican all the time. To demand that someone be punished for controlling their own content!
"ClearChannel is unAmerican, and it's owners should be severely and painfully punished, to say the least."
Things are way over-regulated. It is clear that you want Clear Channel to be censored for its content. Not only that, you are politically biaseD: you want them censored because you hate our current elected President. We need to get rid of ownership regulations.
Make a more expensive option that doubles as an led light keychain.
For uber-coolness, make the keychain so it doubles as a lighter. Then they can buy it on the way in, use it for the encore ("Freeee Biiiiiirrd!") and then plug in for the download on the way out.
Add stereo jack out for listening to in the car on the way home!
"Creativity is allowing ones self to make mistakes. Art is knowing which ones to keep" - Scott Adams
http://www.fugaziliveseries.com/
Good example of Burn-by-order. Great for independent/DIY bands (and that excellent hand-it-to-the-RIAA factor).
Where the hell is Disney or the RIAA or Microsoft or the MPAA, stuffing billions of dollars into some congressman's pocket to make this practice illegal?!?!?!?!!!?!???!!! This kind of behavior will not be tolerated! Copyright holders should not have the right to copy copyrighted material any more than the general public should! After all, if a copyright holder copies his work for distribution or other purposes, that sets a bad example for the rest of the general public! I think there should be new international laws that make it illegal to create, possess, buy, sell, or otherwise traffic in any kind of information, whether fixed on any kind of medium (paper, hard drives, your brain, a memory chip, etc.) or not. It should be punishable by 100 years of extreme nonstop torture, without the benefit of death.
The software could be programed to insert commercials between the songs in real time. It could be a way to enhance revenues and make being a full-time musician more profitable/plausible.
I contact the musician prior to the show and get their permission. Then, I let the venue know that they have approved it. Otherwise, I don't go.
the good ground has been paved over by suicidal maniacs
This is a great idea, and it will definitly work. Why? Even if the quality of the recording sucks (hell, even if the concert wasn't that good), people will still pay to have this as a souvenir. Many people pay $30 for a T-shirt at concerts, just so they have something to remember it by (and show off, as well). I doubt they'd mind spending $10 more for an actual COPY of the darn thing.
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Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo
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Definitely, feel free to stick it.
I see even classic Slashdot is now pretty much unusable on dial up anymore.