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I suppose this is Karma-Whoring, but it really is a lot easier with a corrected link without the space.

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Great -- I love when I preview something and it comes out formatted differently than in my original statement :-(

No only the purchase of Emagic, but the development of CoreAudio and CoreMidi at the kernal levels augmented by a simple to develop for interface in the form of AudioUnits, means Apple's OS is more than ready for pro-audio dominance.

Hell I was bitching about this over on my forum just today --

Sonikmatter Emagic Forums

I love Linux and I run a box in my own studio, but it won't be running ANY audio applications for a LONG time. Right now, its a file server to pass info between Studio A and B (ok, Studio B just happens to be my bedroom -- but since I remodeled my bathroom and put in marble flooring in there, its been a perfect vocal or acoustic guitar booth for mixing without synth effects :-)

Linux has a ways to go before anyone is using any of these applications from a standard musicians perspective. I know a lot of geeks that can grok this stuff, but not standard musicians. That and my time ain't worthless...I'd rather spend 3 minutes doing something on my Mac or PC and get the job done efficiently than to waste an hour getting something configured to do what it is supposed to do and loose all musicial motivation (if you are simply a music TECH then this doesn't really matter, now does it).

Clif Marsiglio
Sonikmatter.com

No only the purchase of Emagic, but the development of CoreAudio and CoreMidi at the kernal levels augmented by a simple to develop for interface in the form of AudioUnits, means Apple's OS is more than ready for pro-audio dominance. Hell I was bitching about this over on my forum just today -- Sonikmatter Emagic Forums I love Linux and I run a box in my own studio, but it won't be running ANY audio applications for a LONG time. Right now, its a file server to pass info between Studio A and B (ok, Studio B just happens to be my bedroom -- but since I remodeled my bathroom and put in marble flooring in there, its been a perfect vocal or acoustic guitar booth for mixing without synth effects :-) Linux has a ways to go before anyone is using any of these applications from a standard musicians perspective. I know a lot of geeks that can grok this stuff, but not standard musicians. That and my time ain't worthless...I'd rather spend 3 minutes doing something on my Mac or PC and get the job done efficiently than to waste an hour getting something configured to do what it is supposed to do and loose all musicial motivation (if you are simply a music TECH then this doesn't really matter, now does it). Clif Marsiglio Sonikmatter.com

No...Classic will NEVER run these things. Too much low level access that X isn't going to give up.

Expect a fall release for Logic X. ProTools??? No clue.

Take a gander at sonikmatter.com and check out our Logic forums for more info.

clif
sonikmatter

Actually, Emagic DID write a simple 4 track (ok it was 8) -- http://www.tonos.com/app2/toolbox/tc8/jsp/index.js p.

Deck is a great program...I've been trying to pick up a copy of my own for a while. Deck is more than adequate as a replacement for ProTools than is Logic. Logic is a great application, but includes tons of stuff most musicians like yourself may not need. Heck, I use to run most of my audio through a 4 Track TAPE player for years before I decided to go completely computerized. For guitar and singing, its a perfectly good solution.

I personally am excited by all of this...I WANT to see an OSX version of Logic. I'll probably pick up Deck as well for the simple things, but I'm glad Mac users will have an application of their own that PC users don't. I'm a little irked that it means that all the folks that just bought up Logic 5.0 will be screwed (it just came out a few months ago) on the PC side, but us Mac users will get a little more out of it being focused solely on us.

BTW We run the semi-official Logic Forums over on Sonikmatter. If anyone is interested in this software take a look at either out main site at:

http://sonikmatter.com

or the Logic area at

http://community.sonikmatter.com/cgi-bin/emagic/ul timatebb.cgi

Thanks

Clif Marsiglio

Actually, Emagic DID write a simple 4 track (ok it was 8) -- http://www.tonos.com/app2/toolbox/tc8/jsp/index.js p.

Deck is a great program...I've been trying to pick up a copy of my own for a while. Deck is more than adequate as a replacement for ProTools than is Logic. Logic is a great application, but includes tons of stuff most musicians like yourself may not need. Heck, I use to run most of my audio through a 4 Track TAPE player for years before I decided to go completely computerized. For guitar and singing, its a perfectly good solution.

I personally am excited by all of this...I WANT to see an OSX version of Logic. I'll probably pick up Deck as well for the simple things, but I'm glad Mac users will have an application of their own that PC users don't. I'm a little irked that it means that all the folks that just bought up Logic 5.0 will be screwed (it just came out a few months ago) on the PC side, but us Mac users will get a little more out of it being focused solely on us.

BTW We run the semi-official Logic Forums over on Sonikmatter. If anyone is interested in this software take a look at either out main site at:

http://sonikmatter.com

or the Logic area at

http://community.sonikmatter.com/cgi-bin/emagic/ul timatebb.cgi

Thanks

Clif Marsiglio

Agree'd. It sounded cool the first time, but now it just sucks. I have a good friend that refers to this as Oscilator Vocals...I understand the Kid Rock country song, but mainstream country??? This is about the time I start explaining to clients that they need to seriously consider if they want to use this effect or not.

In moderation, it can helps vocals, but can be done far better manually - ie., non-autotune. On my site, one of our latest interviews, Steve Duda of Nine Inch Nails (or at least the latest album) discribes some of his techniques for doing this:

http://interview.sonikmatter.com/duda/

I personally would use a piece of software called Melodyne. Its not real time, BUT has some of the most natural algorythms around. It is practically a Pitch Word Processor. You can leave in as much vibrato as you want, kill it all together (like most Autotune apps above) or even add it naturally for those that don't know how to articulate it very well. You can shift notes as far as a 5th before they start to sound funny, and it still keeps all the tied notes together so that you can slide between pitches without the sudden note being triggered as is so commonly found in todays image concience talent free musics.

I personally know a lot of folks that make their bread and butter fixing vocals for the stars and I'm not against it at all...I just wish the producers would get a little more credit as they are the ones doing all the work these days. Everyone has a natural desire to express themselves, as noted by the Karaoke main heading, and this sort of thing allows people to focus more on being creative instead of blindly honing a talent that can only go so far (face it, some people are never going to be able to sing naturally no matter how much practice...I'm one of them).

Clif Marsiglio
Editor@sonikmatter.com
Sonikmatter: Mind + Music + Technology

Agree'd. It sounded cool the first time, but now it just sucks. I have a good friend that refers to this as Oscilator Vocals...I understand the Kid Rock country song, but mainstream country??? This is about the time I start explaining to clients that they need to seriously consider if they want to use this effect or not.

In moderation, it can helps vocals, but can be done far better manually - ie., non-autotune. On my site, one of our latest interviews, Steve Duda of Nine Inch Nails (or at least the latest album) discribes some of his techniques for doing this:

http://interview.sonikmatter.com/duda/

I personally would use a piece of software called Melodyne. Its not real time, BUT has some of the most natural algorythms around. It is practically a Pitch Word Processor. You can leave in as much vibrato as you want, kill it all together (like most Autotune apps above) or even add it naturally for those that don't know how to articulate it very well. You can shift notes as far as a 5th before they start to sound funny, and it still keeps all the tied notes together so that you can slide between pitches without the sudden note being triggered as is so commonly found in todays image concience talent free musics.

I personally know a lot of folks that make their bread and butter fixing vocals for the stars and I'm not against it at all...I just wish the producers would get a little more credit as they are the ones doing all the work these days. Everyone has a natural desire to express themselves, as noted by the Karaoke main heading, and this sort of thing allows people to focus more on being creative instead of blindly honing a talent that can only go so far (face it, some people are never going to be able to sing naturally no matter how much practice...I'm one of them).

Clif Marsiglio
Editor@sonikmatter.com
Sonikmatter: Mind + Music + Technology

Mad props to the Kurzweil Massive! (hehe)

and here's the fixed link to sonikmatter

what i would REALLY like to see is a good open source sequencer, with a HARDWARE interface (with lotsa buttons and knobs) for live performance! (like interactive, so REALTIME live performance is possible ) and maybe even better would be the ability to dump your sequences to the interface and just leave the computer at home? Wouldn't it be great to replace all the aging Alesis MMT-8's with something that doesn't crash, but has more flexibility?

--freq
k2000 owner, dj, musician, loon

Well MacOS X is using BSD as the core engine and is POSIX compliant.

The older apps may not be able take advantage of this for your very reasons, but newer forward thinking companies will probably look into this and think XCompatibility (or pseudo-xcompatibility). No Mac doesn't use XWindows, but I'd actually prefer my apps to have their windowing environment as an addition to the software not a requirement.

For instance, I received a NFR copy of Bitheadz Unity software. This installs as an extention to your system and has a small app that ya run to connect the midi layer to the engine. They have several of these types of connecting apps for OMS, FreeMidi, Rewire, Direct Serial, etc. Why wouldn't it be possible to build an app that does the same thing these do under a nonwindowing environment...ya don't need the rest of the app(editor, etc) to call up patches and play. Why couldn't someone write a simple engine that would work under Linux and simply dispenses with the stuff ya don't need just for playing purpose. Hell throw in an LCD driver, ya wouldn't even need a monitor if ya were to take this on the road.

I think we have a thread on our forums discussing this all, but this is the closest I could find right now :

http://sonikmatter.com/fo rum/noncgi/Forum4/HTML/000049.html

Just because you don't see the potential, don't think others haven't. Our forums at Sonikmatter are lined with Hardware and Software manufacturers within the music industry. Almost all of them agree that Soft Synthesis is going to become a bigger reality than straight Hardware Synthesis one day, they just need a platform that they can use and control that isn't overly bloated like the current OSes. This would be the perfect chance to start to change some of their minds to thining more about the free OSes out there.

clif