Domain: startpagina.nl
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does it mention CSS use in SVG too?
You can also use CSS in SVG
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video+SVG= no need for Flash anymore
just in case you think SVG is rather limited: see this broad range of applications
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broad spectrum of vector graphics examples
svg.startpagina.nl
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In comparison...
In comparison, the tiny Netherlands with all that cheese and those cows seems to have a lot of consumer ISPs to choose from. Here's a partial list:
Alice Comfort
Argeweb
12move
Abel Telecom
CompuServe
Concepts
DDS
Domestix
EDPnet
Fiberworld
Filternet
GreenOnline
HCC Net
Het Net
InterNLnet
KPN ADSL
Orange
Planet ADSL
Primus
Qfast ICT
Quicknet
Scarlet
Solcon
Speedlinq
SpeedXS
Studenten.net
Supersnel ADSL
Tele2 ADSL
The One Hosting
Tiscali ADSL
TweakDSL
Unet
Vastelastenbond Internet+bellen
xsDSL
XS4ALL tip
ZIEZO.bizEven bloody Compuserve (yes that one!) will sell you 20down / 1up ADSL for 19.95 euros a month. For another 5 euros a month they'll add PSTN phone termination and a DID. 30 euros monthly for 20 mb down is most typical now. And little traffic shaping if any, to my knowledge.
In fact providers such as XS4all make a political statement against such practices, when they can under legal and contractual agreements, as they do with their statement of privacy too.
For more complete info: http://adsl.startpagina.nl/
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worth a link
added to the SVG link resource
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many prefer the open SVG
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no SVG implementation, inserts better allowed
SVG is used all over the place and anything but IE supports it (not perfect yet, but getting there quickly)
There is some namespace support improvement though, that allows other software to fill in this serious gap.
Or just use another browser of course. -
SVG support demanded, of course
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Google Maps uses SVG
just to name one significant example
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Re:CSS turns 10, typographers still crying
SVG is nice for that indeed.
The best (partial) implementation at the moment i think is Squiggle, then Opera, then Firefox.
As developments seem to go faster, that order might change soon.
More on SVG at http://svg.startpagina.nl/
You can also use CSS in SVG, though many people think it's better if you don't -
SVG just keeps growing
>> I can open up an
.swf in notepad and see the source?
>No, but that question is irrelevant for the vast majority of end-users.
- the more power developers have at hand, the better the products for end-users get
- yeah right, like nobody copies ingredients from around the web into their own website
>>I can inline flash elements in my (x)html page?
>No, but again, why does it matter if you can?
accessibility, context, semantics. The web is more and more not (only) about the page you call your endproduct, but by how that information is found and repurposed.
>>I'm allowed to write my own viewer for it?
>Sure. But for some odd reason, it seems like all the capable programmers have better things to do.
Not odd at all, capable programmers are smart enough to not throw away their time at something that the owner can change whenever it feels like. And i'd make sure to contact a lawyer if you decide to do it anyway.
>>Konqueror has good support for non-animated/non-scripted SVG already...Opera...
>Neither Opera nor Konqueror have a large enough user base to be relevant to people developing animation for the web.
There's a thing called the mobile web, growing explosively, and Opera has a huge marketshare.
>>And Firefox isn't too shabby either.
>grinds away slowly on the fastest machines.
There's a little wait on superduper complex content, but otherwise it's fine.
And my laptop is slower than the cheapest laptop in stores now.
>>I doubt SVG is going anywhere, except up. Die flash, die.
>Given that Adobe was the only hope SVG ever had of going anywhere, there's nothing to make SVG go anywhere
Wrong information, wrong conclusion. Maybe take a look at http://svg.startpagina.nl/ to see where SVG is and is going. -
Re:About SVG
About any mobile phone does SVG, Sony PS2 games use it, even printers using SVG. Even Microsoft uses it on some of their most popular sites. And there are many sites already using it, only rasterizing on the server before sending it off to the browser.
Maybe you're just trying to ignore. For all the others, see http://svg.startpagina.nl/ -
many SVG implementations get the work they need
Batik is really good, though lacks some SMIL.
In browserland Opera seems to be in the lead.
A lot of SVG content on the web is not valid SVG, so you can't expect it to render the same on different viewers.
Things are improving fast.
See this broad range of links on SVG: http://svg.startpagina.nl/ -
What "chicken and egg" problem with SVG?
Get an idea about how much is going on with SVG on http://svg.startpagina.nl/
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Re:Wow
Dutch news-site (with a fairly large, non-techie audience) nu.nl was affected as well, a large warning was put up Saturday.
The warning (sorry, dutch only) mentioned that until Sunday afternoon, they received 1300 requests for help from possibly-affected visitors.As far as accountability goes, it was nice to see the publisher, Ilse Media, put up a clear FAQ and even a special-purpose contact-form to accomodate for their not-web-savvy users.
They also mentioned further statements from Falk AG were forthcoming Monday 22nd.Using an alternative browser, with AdBlock installed, I wasn't affected myself...