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Salasaga Fills Flash Creation Hole for Linux
Linux.com's Bruce Byfield is reporting that Salasaga, the renamed Flame Project, is attempting to fill the functionality gap of Flash creation for Linux in addition to being a cross-platform tool. While it still lacks the spit-shine of more mature apps, it is going a long way to filling yet another hole in Linux software. "Opening Salasaga, you could easily think you are in a slide show program. Individual slides display on the left, and the current slide appears on the bottom right. On the top right is information about the layers on the current side. Menus are logically laid out across the top of the editing window. From the editing menu, you can set the defaults for new projects, including the default display size of finished projects, the preview width, and the default background color. After adjusting these settings, you proceed logically from the right as you develop a project, progressing from Screenshots for importation through Slide and Layer to Export. This progression is so logical that few viewers should have trouble teaching themselves the basics of the software and producing a test project in less than 20 minutes -- and saving it in native .flame format or exporting it to Flash or SVG formats."
On the off-chance someone was going to RTFA, here is the FA, since it doesn't seem to have made it into the story.
The following line probably tells most people what they want to know:
Also missing are features that those familiar with Flash Professional or Adobe Captivate might expect, such as drawing tools, a scripting language, and support for sound and video.
So what does it do? Well, slideshows. Handy, but not hugely exciting.
Where the fuck is the URL?
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The link is a lie.
After all if I did, someone would only mark it as native .flame bait
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I hate that this comment has been modded down because it shows me that some Linux supporters are just as bad with critique as Windows users. Sure, the comment is a bit harsh, but it isn't off the mark.
It's down, because it's off topic.
I never noticed that Linux had a problem in that regard.
Lacking <sarcasm> tags,
Ever try to install Windows alongside an existing OS? Not easy, if it's even possible. But yes, I also hate that the OP's comment was modded down.
The way I see it, it's good that we have a mostly homogeneous OS market. Makes it easy for a lot of people. And right now we have just enough competition from OSX to keep Windows under some pressure. And there is just enough from Linux on the server side to push out good server products from Microsoft. I see no need for desktop linux.
Do not forget to mention, that Salasaga is Free (as in free speech) Software licensed under the GNU Lesser General Public License. This program may be still lacking several important features, but at least everybody is free to contribute and improve this piece of software.
This seems better than Salasaga at the moment, if you want something similar to flash. At least its an interesting project(project page here). Would be better if you could play with it without all the adverts though.
They're a bit over the arch, but the point is the same as in the first comment of the thread. The program [linux] does something at least, but isn't nearly as good as it should/could be.
Here I am in amd64... can I have an integrated flash player that WORKS please? Gnash is utter crap (arg please don't say contribute, I haven't the time to do anything but work and flame on slashdot). I don't want to make a chroot 32 environment / install every 32 bit library in existence...
:P
Does anyone in my situation have a suggestion? I've also tried broken firefox add-ons, including: Magic's Video - Downloader, Media Pirate - The Video Downloader, and Video Download. I can watch about 1/3 of youtube videos. 1/3 don't work at all, and 1/3 only show the first frame. I haven't seen one interactive flash that works. Some flash completely freezes up firefox. Maybe I'd have luck with a different browser
Agreed. Probably the thing I find most funny is how many stories there are on /. about how another application has finally been copied as a Linux app. Just like this story.
Troll? It's the crushing truth man :P.
Face it, no OS has much to offer to the inexperienced user. The question is, how much does it take to become an experienced user? Or how much does the OS get in your way if you're inexperienced?
Been doing this for years.
Simple: Treat the distribution as an OS. If it doesn't have a native package for Ubuntu, then as a novice user, assume it doesn't support Ubuntu.
Now, I dare you to find a slicker way to install and maintain programs than Synaptic.
Oh please:
And there's a GUI for that, too, if you need it. I think it prompts you on first boot now.
Except he can -- again, absurdly simple to enable. First time you click on an MP3, you'll get a prompt that'll guide you through installing the necessary packages.
You're not even trying, are you?
Worst case? Tell them to install a 32-bit OS. Not as if they'd be worse off than in Windows.
Again, only a few clicks away. And once they're installed, they'll actually auto-update, and stay updated.
Believe it or not, installing XP on this laptop was worse -- tried downloading the drivers from nvidia.com, and they didn't work. The Toshiba site only had Vista drivers. Had to go to an old Toshiba UK site to find any. On Linux? Damned-near plug'n'play.
And then you go on to list a few apps that you don't like, but which do, indeed, prove that these things exist. Oh, and Maya has a Linux port.
Rails.
Which also can only be used reasonably on a machine with 2 gigs of RAM. May as well use Eclipse.
For business-level, maybe not. Personal-level, there's Gnucash and KMyMoney.
Dell does.
Literally plugged a webcam into a vanilla Kubuntu, had it running in Kopete with no tweaking whatsoever.
And at that point, you descend completely into a pointless rant, that makes me wonder exactly what Linux people you've been hanging out with -- if, indeed, you know anything about Linux at all. You make some good points, but you lose all credibility when you rant about problems that were fixed 2+ years ago, or actually complain about things that Linux does better than Windows.
Don't thank God, thank a doctor!
>Windows doesn't have to bother to make it easily installable/easy to work with (somewhat because it already is) since it already has the market it
>needs,
I argue that Linux also already has "the market it needs".
-fb Everything not expressly forbidden is now mandatory.
Salasaga is cool, but I am not totally sure that it fills the Linux community's need for a Flash IDE, though it does do a good job of creating web based interactive learning environments. I do not want to steal the light, but I want to get a word in. I have a more traditional (Open Source GPL) Flash IDE project which is based off of the Open Source Flex SDK. Its in C# .NET and via MonoDevelop, Cairo and GTK+ will port well to linux and OSX. Porting is on my list of TODOs for the next 2 weeks. Check it out at http://dialect.openmodeling.net./
Am I the only one who read this as Sausage Fills Flash Creation Hole for Linux?
They go from the relatively cool Flame Project... to Salasaga!? Am I missing something here?
In other news, people pay professionals to work on their cars. Film at 11.
While Flash is used in so many places, I really don't see it as essential. You can do a lot with SVG's and the existing web standards, and embed video with an open codec. My main problems with it are that it is completely proprietary. I try to run a pure open source system, and consider any boxes of mine that use the proprietary Flash plugin to be compromised (at least, on the level of the user than runs it). I would really like a Flash, Perl, Python, C++, .NET, Ruby, and Basic free world :-).
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Ever try to install Windows alongside an existing OS?
I had Windows NT4, FreeBSD, BeOS, and Rhapsody DR1 running on the same PC.
It's not that bloody hard.
Hell, I had Windows 2000, FreeBSD, and BSD running on a Toshiba Libretto. That puppy was maxed out with 64M RAM.
IT'S NOT THAT HARD, except that Microsoft deliberately makes it harder than it needs to be.
The way I see it, it's good that we have a mostly homogeneous OS market.
Well, except for Windows, we do. Pretty much everything else is UNIX.
As for Microsoft, I wouldn't mind them so much being an evil empire if they were a competent evil empire. But it's over 10 years now and they STILL haven't fixed the whole IE / ActiveX security mess.
I wrote: "I had Windows 2000, FreeBSD, and BSD running on a Toshiba Libretto."
That should read "I had Windows 2000, FreeBSD, and BeOS running on a Toshiba Libretto."
Pardon me.
Native English speaker?
I say old boy, me knickers are a bit tight in the bum. All the tea and scrumpetts from breakfast must be settling. Top 'o the day to ya, Charlie!
Do I count?
Did you install Windows 2000 after the other two? If so, then you probably had to re-do the boot loader after that anyways. So it's not easy, unless you do W2000 first, which leaves you relying on GRUB or something to know how to boot W2000.
It was designed for trolls to post slideshows. Why otherwise would the file extension be .flame?
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Congratulations, you tore apart an obvious troll copypasta that's been around for, hmm, maybe a year or so? That's based on an ancient copypasta troll base post, but apparently was thinly updated a while back (said year or so ago).
Here's your cookie.
"Face it, no OS has much to offer to the inexperienced user. The question is, how much does it take to become an experienced user? Or how much does the OS get in your way if you're inexperienced?"
What a ridiculous dismissal. There are real differences between platforms when it comes to usability for the inexperienced. Saying that an inexperienced user can't get value out of ANY platform is just arguing language instead of the issue.
It's a shame that you worked so hard to put together good arguments otherwise.
http://osflash.org/projects Large list of open-source flash-related projects, alot (most?) of them are cross-platform.
SalaaaaaSalllaSalasagaa..... not gonna work here any more.
WHY -- for the love of fucking god --- can't Linux nerds pick a name that people can pronounce?!?!?!?!?
These are the same assholes that cry when they get no mainstream press.
Two fucking rules. TWO!
1. Make sure I can pronounce it
2. Make sure it is easy to spell
Incidentally, GRUB can boot Windows just fine.
In fact, whenever XP crashes and I reboot so I can go back to gaming (including in Flash, see, I'm on-topic) I boot it through a GRUB menu. Works great, and only adds about 1.5s to my boot time, virtually all of which is me pressing the down key.
Try not to take me more seriously than I take myself.
I was bored, and I like cookies.
Figured Vista hadn't been out long enough for this to be really ancient.
Don't thank God, thank a doctor!
added to the SVG link resource
It would be nice to have an open standard that allows people to create animated crap that doesn't require slurping from the adobe teat. Something any browser could run, with, or maybe even without a plugin.
Utilizing the synergization of benchmark e-solutions to pre-workaround action items!
Doesn't matter what order you do it in, if you use a single-stage boot loader like Booteasy (which comes with FreeBSD) or a smart boot loader like the BeOS one. I think your problem is that the Linux boot loaders are even more screwed up than the Windows one.
I argue that Linux also already has "the market it needs".
That sounds like something Microsoft would say. "We aren't going to make things easier/better because we don't give a fuck." Isn't Linux supposed to be "the better man" here?
Since you agree, you're a troll with me ;) Hello!
it's a troll that is posting the same bs on different regional /. he's even translating the same text into various languages. don't feed em and get used to this new mascot
The milanes has made is way to slashdot. Long live to the milanes.
He is an spanish troll , by the way.
Wonderful!! We spanish are exporting trolls!!! XD XD XD XD (This is a very old trolling comment from spanish slashdot, very well translated. In barrapunto it has become a traditional joke just like the CowboyNeal references here.
Click here to read the original in spanish (for completeness' sake).