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Re:The hype and the ad don't add up.
The site says:
Granted, you have to see it in person to know for sure. But to look at the pictures, 7 people would be a huge squeeze.Were the people doing test rides in on the conspiracy?
Furniture? A foot stool maybe.
66 cubic feet / 1900 litres / 1,9 cubic meters with the rear seats down. A little less than a RAV4.
I think what throws people off is that it's almost the exact same shape as the 3, just scaled up (it shares 76% of its hardware with the 3 for ease of production - hence the similarity).
Sorry you say, surfboards go on the roof, but that curved hatchback ain't got no place to put a roof rack.
Off road? Sure, if pulling into your drive is off road. For that wilderness adventure, you can drive on your lawn.
Actually, you're right in this one. While it has more clearance than the 3 (Model 3 = 5,5" / 14cm), as well as AWD, I wouldn't recommend offroading in it. Again, it's built basically the same as the 3, which is not designed for offroading.
Of course, all crossover makers try to present them as being capable of going offroad, even though they know that their main market is suburban housewives.
Low center of gravity, as they claim, means your butt won't clear a sidewalk curb let alone rock and rubble mountain trails
That's not how it works. An EV with a 14" / 36cm ground clearance would still have a lower centre of gravity than an ICE vehicle with a 4" / 10cm ground clearance. It's because the battery pack is under the floor, versus the engine in an ICE whose centre of mass is closer to the vertical centre of the vehicle. EVs act like weebles.
Want to try a rainy wash?, wear your swim trunks and snorkel.
I have no clue what you're talking about. Do you think EVs can't take water? If so, think again.
"And when you’re on the road, it’s easy to plug in along the way—at any public station or with the Tesla charging network. We currently have over 12,000 Superchargers worldwide, with six new locations opening every week."
Six new locations a week?
Let's do the math.
6x50 weeks = 300 chargers per year.
At that rate, 12,000 units means they have invested 40 years in infrastructure build out, but we know that that is not the case.Your math is wrong, but your misunderstanding is understandable. Chargers != locations. This should clear things up. (chargers = stalls, locations = supercharger stations)
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Re:Not Obama's
First, as to your last paragraph, I have no doubt that EVs will be more than 50% of new passenger vehicles (minus trucks) by end of 2022/3. We will see more EVs sold in America/Europe, than ICE (again, minus trucks). Ppl can see this coming a mile away. EVs are cheaper to own, lower maintenance, faster, more room in same volume, etc. etc. Tesla is the only EV that is actually cheaper than its competition, but, they will force legacy car makers to follow. Even now, the luxury car makers are moving to decent luxury EVs because they are losing huge numbers of sales to Tesla (according to Porsche, BMW, Audi, Volvo, Caddy). Interestingly, Lexus and infiniti have dropped sales a great deal over the last 2 years, but, they are not saying anything, except still focusing on H2 cars.
Range anxiety. Ok. Where do you live? I am going to assume that you are American. There are a FEW spots left in America that does not have decent coverage, but will be covered before end of next year. Here is what is being looked at for Tesla over the next month or so
As to paying more for the larger battery, it gives us the ability to driver further on occasion when needed, but otherwise, it makes sure that my battery will outlast me and my kids. But if you think that gas is cheaper than electricity, you have to be kidding. Here, lets get a perspective. Our car does 250 MPC when full. That is 85 KWH, but we are going to assume 100 kWh (easier calcs). Now, we pay $.08/kWh in the summer and $.0459/kWh for winter (xcel TOU). We will simply use $.08. So, that means to drive 250 miles, we will pay $8.00 or .032 / mile.
In a comparable car, say a class S, the owner will get 15-20 MPG. Let say that gas is at $2.00 / gal (in Denver, it is $2.5-2.80, but we will go your way). To drive 250 miles, you will have 12.5-16 gal. Lets assume 14 gals, so, $28 to drive 250 miles. That makes it $.112 / mile. Now, I have been weighed all of this your way, and it still turns out that gas will be 4x what electricity will costs. And notice that the MB's Class S that competes against our Model S, are slow, high maintenance, and will actually costs a great deal more to get less luxury in the car.
In addition, resale values on Luxury ICE vehicles are plummeting. OTOH Tesla are holding their values (note that most EVS drop at same rate as ICE, but the Tesla does not).
This page is Oct, but in Nov, EV sales are now over 2.5% of car sales in America. I will guess that EVs are over 3% for Dec.
Note that next year, a number of REAL EVs will be released. Rivian has a truck and SUV coming. Porsche has Taycon. There are decent EVs coming from MB, Audi, Jag, volvo, etc. And these EVs will be cheaper than the competing ICE vehicles. -
Re:Strange
Lets see.
Here is a map of just Tesla Super Chargers. I see load in Texas.
Here is a map of all commercial electric chargers Keep in mind with EVs, most of your electricity comes from your own home since few trips are more than 100 miles.
Here is a graph of Tesla registrations by state, about a year ago. Since over 5% are in Texas, that would mean at least 20K cars are Tesla just in Texas.
The real issue is that you are noticing what you want to see. -
Re: Chevy Bolt
Ok. So you do not buy it. go to afdc.gov electrical map. Now, click on more options and change charger types to DC fast. No level 2 or others. Then go to connectors and select only dc fast, without Tesla ( chademo and sae combo). Then tell us how many routes you have for crossing the nation.
Now, go to https://supercharge.info./ tell us how many routes that cross the nation, and to make it fun, tell us where you can cross the nation ( only North Dakota ). Quite the difference. -
Re:Tesla will flourish if complexity is reduced...
Nope.
The bolt will ONLY accept 40 KWH at a DC fast charger. As such, it will do 90 miles in the first hours, about 120 in the first 90 minutes, but then slows down. In fact, the fastest that I could find anybody had charged a bolt at, was from 20 miles left, it took 2 hours and 35 minutes. Keep in mind that as it fills up, the fill rate will slow way down. That is why they all speak about the first 30 minutes on the bolt, and the first 45 minutes on the tesla.
Secondly, McD will NOT be putting in fast chargers for ANYBODY. However, Places are installing level 2s. Now, Tesla offers their level 2 device for free to any company that pays to install it AND offers up free service (even if limited to their customers).
So how many do they have? As it is, Tesla has over 3000 destination chargers JUST IN THE US along with around 350 SuperChargers. Note that by end of year, Tesla expects to double their super charger count.
Even in Europe, they just started doing destination chargers this last year and they are over 1000 of them.
Now, it is interesting that you mention about the Superchargers being so far from your house. These are NOT meant for daily charging. You are supposed to do your daily charging at your home in the middle of the night. By doing 80% of the charging in the middle of the night, then we do not have an issue with the grid or poer plants. In fact, it will LOWER the costs of electricity. It is hybrids and leaf owners that charge in the daytime on a constant basis that are going to screw all of us.
The superchargers were developed for LONG DISTANCE driving. These were not meant for daily re-fuels the way some of the nutjobs have been doing. In fact, if you look at the price that Tesla now charges the new teslas using the SCs, the price is always MORE than the nighttime prices. Some of that is due to eletric company charging more for daytime, but Tesla designed it this way purposely to discourage daytime charging.
Now, the current Tesla Super Chargers can add 149 KWH to certain tesla's. The older one like we have, only accepts 120, or possibly only 90. BUT, Tesla has a NEW supercharger coming that will do well above 350 KW, and I have heard around 500-600 KW. That means that the average Model 3 with a 50 KWH battery will FULLY charge in less than 10 minutes (slows down towards the end), but can charge to 80% in just 3 minutes. Obviously, Tesla will likely charge a high price for that re-fill. Still, it will be less than $1.00 / gal of gas equivalence. -
Re:Reserved Model 3?
Even low-end Tesla S60 is way nicer than Bolt - it has nicer handling, better acceleration and range. And the charging infrastructure for Tesla is available right now: https://supercharge.info/
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Re:Driving yes, but charging?
And are these superchargers free and spaced (and available for use) every 100 miles?
NO.
Huh? Yes they are. You need a Tesla, but assuming you have one the SuperChargers are both free and spaced about 100 miles apart. See http://supercharge.info/
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Re:Probably a flawed analysis
In a couple of years you won't even have to do that. You can drive to Vegas on a Tesla (or a Model 3 in two years) from pretty much anywhere in the US, by utilizing the supercharger network: http://supercharge.info/ . And in a couple of years it'll cover all of the major routes.
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Re:I would like a simpler electric car
do you have a garage or a plug outside of your home? Then you have a charging station. We plug our tesla into a regular 120V outlet and it charges nightly.
Now, as to your location, are you in America? And are you in a city, or a town? If town, not surprised. If outside of America and Europe, also not surprised.
I am also guessing that you pulled up one of the maps for proprietary chargers.If you are in America, here is the federal map. As you can see, there are 13,000 STATIONS, with an average of around 2.5 outlets. These stations are growing at the rate of 1000 / year and accelerating.
If you drive a tesla, then here is a map of what exists, what is being built, and what is undergoing approval.
Now, what is missing is the large number of RV parks. Most every town has some form of an RV park. Nearly all will allow you to charge there. -
Re:Once again, hydrogen looks to be the future
The nice thing with my Tesla is I can charge virtually anywhere there's electricity. Granted, the superchargers take some time, but it's not a huge amount of time. Now, take the amount of time saved by charging every night. It takes only a few seconds to plug in and unplug vs the amount of time spent driving to one of a limited number of hydrogen refueling stations, waiting in line (if they're popular) and filling up. On top of that, the electricity is far cheaper than the hydrogen. Currently virtually all hydrogen is heavily subsidized since the actual price would not be cheap. Currently EVs are over twice as efficient compared to a hydrogen fuel cell car when once considers well to wheel. HFC vehicles aren't much better than hybrid vehicles when it comes to efficiency but they're still a lot more expensive to build. They have a very long way to go. Durability of the fuel cell stacks is currently about half that of a gasoline engine. A fuel cell stack as of the end of 2015 will need to be replaced at 75K miles. I did the math and the batteries in my Tesla will be good for at least double this. See this.
The 2016 Toyota Mirai, a subcompact, is only rated at 66MPG. A Prius is 58 city, 53 highway and costs less than half the price of the Mirai. BEVs are typically over 100 for a similarly sized car. For example, a 2013 Leaf is the equivalent of 115MPG, almost twice as efficient. My 3-year old Tesla, a much larger vehicle with a lot more passenger and storage room, is 89MPGe. The newer ones are even higher. The Model 3 should be considerably higher than that. Long term, I don't see HFC vehicles competing much against pure electric cars. The complexity alone means that they will always be more expensive, especially as the cost of batteries drops. The cost today of a Toyota Mirai is $58,335. This is for a car with 0-60 of 9.4 seconds and a top speed of 108MPH, not much better than a Prius. The Mirai will suffer the same problems as a Prius as well. The Mirai depends on a battery pack for acceleration and regenerative braking, just like a Prius. My last car was a Prius. It does poorly going up mountain grades and the Mirai will suffer the same problem. Unlike a Prius, the power output of the PEM stack will be considerably lower by 75K miles. A BEV car can put out considerably more power for a longer time since it isn't restricted to the limited output of the PEM stack. I've taken my Tesla up a number of steep mountain grades where my Prius would struggle without breaking a sweat. The Tesla Model 3 and other long range BEVs will cost considerably less than the Mirai. The Model 3 will also have considerably more room inside and storage space. The ONLY advantage the Mirai has is that it can be filled relatively quickly. In just about every other metric it falls short. Today I can take my Tesla most places in the country with the number of places I can't drive to without superchargers rapidly diminishing. By the time the model 3 rolls out the entire country will be pretty much covered. As it is, in California where most of them are sold, even out of the way places are getting covered. There's a charging station going in right near the entrance to Yosemite, for example and even highway 395 along the eastern Sierra Nevada mountains is covered.
Let's compare:
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Plugshare chargers
Tesla Superchargers
Tesla Superchargers by the end of 2016 (click on 2016). This number should double by 2017.The closest hydrogen fueling station to my house is 15 miles away from my house. My EV charging station is in my garage. This covers over 90% of my driving needs. I pay $50/month for the electricity and drive around 1000 miles/month. According to this article, the Mirai
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Re:tesla driving in NV
Useful site: http://supercharge.info/
Supercharger hopping from Las Vegas to Salt Lake City, it's not too bad as there are Superchargers in St George, Beaver, Richfield, Price, Nephi and Tooele.
Las Vegas to Reno will become much easier once the SCs in Tonopah & Beatty get completed. For now, it looks like you'd have to route through California.
The trip from Lone Pine, CA to Gardnerville, NV is 212 miles which is uncomfortably close to the Model S range since there's a whole lot of wilderness out there and not much else but there's an SC under construction in Mammoth Lakes, about 1/2way between the two points.So traveling to major cities in NV will be much easier soon and looking at the SC projections for 2016 (https://www.teslamotors.com/en_CA/supercharger), it looks like the state will have adequate coverage in less than 1 year.
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Re:License Frame: "I wanna be a Tesla when I grow
Tesla is mass-market. They have a full-scale car factory that is producing close to 100000 cars per year. They are investing like crazy in expansion that will allow them to produce 500000 cars a year, starting 2 years from now.
All while the supercharger network is growing: http://supercharge.info/ It's already dense enough to travel to most of the interesting places in the US and it's only going to get better.
And yes, I own a Tesla. -
Re:Shocking!
I traveled 8000 miles in 1 month on my new Tesla. Range and recharge time is not a problem - superchargers are almost everywhere where I would want to go in the US: http://supercharge.info/
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Re:The reason is more simple
Plugshare? Really? And you own a tesla?
Here is what has been built and what is being built
And here is what will be built out over the next year.
Just out of curiosity, how long did it take? I am guessing that you just got it and are taking it for its first SC drive (everybody has to do one :) ). We are waiting until the new year, and will then get a Model S (possibly X, but I doubt it). Since it is my wife's car, she wants to pick up at the factory and drive home in it. Kind of a cool road trip. Hoping to meet some of the workers that actually worked on it. Personally, I would like to have them simply sign it. -
They're in the slow-start phase
Right now electric vehicles and plug-in hybrids are in the slow-start phase of growth. Technology is still new and costs a lot, and charging infrastructure is not yet 100% here.
However, we have made an amazing amount of progress already. I bought a Tesla about a month ago and I already have 5000 miles on its odometer, mostly from road trips. Most of the road trips required no planning at all thanks to the supercharger network ( http://supercharge.info/ ) that is already available. Some road trips required a bit more planning (checking for available Tesla destination charging or slow-chargers in hotels) but so far I had no problems with reaching a desired destination. And most of this infrastructure has been built during the last 3 years!
In 5 years once there are several affordable competing models with 300 miles of range and several supercharger networks, the real question for many people will be: "Why should I buy a gasoline car?" -
Re:Good for him and the world.
No magic required.
Tesla has built 67 SuperChargers in China (second in number only to the US).
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Re:Amazing!
Ah, the mightywind that is afraid to be up front.
First, Multiple studies in the US show that we have PLENTY of power to charge 100% of our vehicles. Of course, that depends on 25% or less being done in the daytime. But hey, do not let facts get in your way.
Secondly, the charging infrastructure is already in place in America. All of our homes have electricity. As to long distance driving, Tesla will have the nation wired for high speed charging by end of 2017.
Here is a better map of what is going on at this time.
Third, in 2 years, Tesla will have a car that costs less than 35K, without the subsidies, does over 200 MPC, and is still high performance along with high quality. Why would anybody want to buy POSs when you have such a car? The answer is, that only idiots like you will.
Fourth, once demand rises for that kind of car, you can bet that used cars will plummet in value.
Still attached to the kock brothers pants? Gas prices are a NONE issue. Electric cars car are coming down in price so much that ICE cars will be too expensive to own at $2.00/gal. -
Re:Sweet, sweet karma
What reality distortion ?
Tesla is already tooled for 100k cars / yr (2k cars / wk).
The retooling was done already to handle the model X.
Tesla has managed to reach current production levels with zero paid advertisement.
That's Tesla's biggest enemy. Since the paid media isn't getting a penny from Tesla, they have every interest to smear tesla continously.
By end of 2015 Tesla will have a formidable operational supercharger network, which will enable people to drive between every metro area of at least 2 million people in North America in a fairly direct way. Coverage in Europe is already a little better than North America.
I suggest you take a look.
http://supercharge.info/
Interactive realtime super charger tool. Only superchargers already operating, in construction or already licensed are shown. China superchargers only show up after they are online. Plenty of European superchargers also show up when ready or nearly so.
I predict around 6 billion USD in 2015 total revenues. Being conservative.
Not bad for a "reality distorted" company.